WEBVTT - BobbyCast Presents: Unsigned & Independent: S.2 Ep. 1: Tera Fister - Trusting Her Own Path 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:15.159 Welcome to season two of Unsigned and Independent. We have 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:18.160 another episode and another season of this and Kevin kind 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:20.960 of restate your goal for why you started this show. 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:23.520 So the goal was when I first came into Nashville, 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:26.520 I saw these bands, artists that I thought were really good, 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:28.319 and I didn't understand why I've never heard of this 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:30.600 person or this group, and I wanted to get them 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:32.839 on to talk about, you know, the late nights of Broadway. 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.000 I'm playing late, getting up early, and just the whole 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:37.840 grind of the industry without the backing of a label 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:42.720 or a record company, or a management team or which 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:44.639 all the things I hope to get right and want 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:46.240 to be coolest to see some of these some of 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:50.200 these folks develop into signed and not independent exactly because 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.199 when we started the Bobbycast a long time ago, that 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:54.480 was a deal. We had a lot of artists on 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:57.000 and songwriters that later became stars I met. I think 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:58.920 about Ryan Hurd, who was just a songwriter. We talked 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.520 to him, is all right, new guy heard? You know, 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:03.080 he would talk about how hard it was to write 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.680 songs get a publishing deal. But this is what you're doing. 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:09.720 Even a step farther back, it's like a prequel. He 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.120 had an early Bobby cast. And so who'd you talk 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.560 with this time? This is Tara Fister. Why Tara? Because 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:17.880 I met her through somebody I had on the first 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.280 season last year. Actually his name is Graham, and he 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.120 kind of told me about her, introduced me to her, 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:25.319 came across her stuff, and she had this presence about her, 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:29.320 has this presence about her. She's got bright hair, bright clothes, tattoos, 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:31.040 she's got this presence on stage where just like, I 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.240 need to know more about this girl. She good live, Yeah, 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.759 it's great. So you talk with her. She's from Saint Louis, 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:39.319 she's been here for ten years or so. Does she 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.000 have the frustration of, hey, why hasn't this happened for 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.800 me yet? No? She has such a good outlook on 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:46.679 you know, I'm gonna do what I need to do 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:48.400 and everything else would kind of take care of itself. 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:50.800 She's had her frustrated days or her weeks, you know, 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.440 taking care of everything, funding everything, managing everything, but overall 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:58.160 she's got a good outlook on the bigger picture. All right. 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.560 Here we go, Unsigned and Independent with Kevin O'Connell aka 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:05.080 kick Off Kevin. Here is Tara Fister here on the 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.680 Bobby Cast in a special edition? By the way, is 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.320 this a new season? Yes? Oh I did Music to 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.320 My Ears season two, episode one of Unsigned and Independent. 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:16.440 Hey Tara, good to see you, Good to have you 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.359 in here. How long has it been since you moved 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:23.040 to Nashville. It'll be ten years this July, I believe. Wow, Yeah, Forest, 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:25.799 I moved down. Okay, I like literally pulled into town 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.320 as a fireworks are going off. Really yeah, so it's 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:30.320 a little it's a cute old story. That's awesome. I 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.079 saw the fireworks show here a couple of years ago, 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.040 and it's probably the best I've ever seen. Yeah, as 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.160 long as the smoke doesn't blur it out right? Yea, 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.240 that is true. What was your mindset coming in from 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.800 Saint Louis to Nashville? Where you like, oh my gosh, 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:44.840 I want to be all over the radio. I want to, 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.440 you know, sign with this purse or this label and 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:49.120 do this and this or was it kind of just 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.240 a freelancing let's see what happens, let's move and just 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:54.880 chase a dream here. Yeah, well I had. I had 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.639 just turned twenty one. I worked at a Ford dealership, okay, 0:02:57.720 --> 0:02:59.600 And I was coming to Nashville about once a month 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.200 to do a writer's round and try to create some 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.359 type of circle or community or just you know, get 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:08.079 my feet wet. And one night after a writer's round, 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:09.560 I was hanging out with a group of friends and 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.080 we were going to the Preds game. So we were 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.040 standing in Rippy's and just standing there, you know, taking 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.480 in the scene, and a guy on stage whose name 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:21.200 was Greg Humphrey. He just pointed me out in the 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.480 crowd and he was like, you're a singer. And at 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:25.560 that time I had had enough beverages where I was like, 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.680 hell yeah, I'm a singer. And he got me on 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:30.560 stage and I sang a couple of songs and he 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.000 through the tip jog at me and he was like, 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.320 if you can come back with this tip jugful, I'll 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.200 have a job for you. I was like deal. So 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:40.800 I ran the tip jar and I came back and 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.040 I gave him my card and he called me. Two 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.920 weeks later. I went to the game, went back to 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.160 Saint Louis, you know, went about my life, and he 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:49.840 called me about two weeks later and he was like, 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:51.680 what are you doing for cmafest And I was like, 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.800 whatever you tell me, I'm doing. So he's like, oh, 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:55.320 why don't you come down you can play with my band, 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.960 blahlah blah. So I came down two weeks later, played 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.800 with this band, went back home, and then he called 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:02.920 me again about two weeks later and said, if you 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.040 want to move, you have a job. Wow. So I 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.240 packed up everything, which was like a bag of shoes, 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.920 a bag of clothes, my guitar, a microphone in my 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:15.640 car and moved like a week later and slept on 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:17.479 one of my girlfriend's couches for a couple of weeks, 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:21.239 and then segued into somebody's apartment that the roommate situation 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:23.920 didn't work out, and then into a house. And here 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.520 I am ten years later. Do you like the idea 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.440 that it was just so sudden and like you had 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.560 to make a decision right then and there, almost as 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.120 if you didn't have to maybe build up too and 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:34.640 think about it too much, or just like, you know what, 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:36.840 why not, let's do it? Well, to be if I 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:38.600 was being honest with myself, I would say that I 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:42.040 always knew, even when I was aty biddy, like when 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:43.440 people would ask me when I was little, you know, 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:44.719 what do you want to do? I would always answer, 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.200 I want to be the girl in music videos, and 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.520 I meant the singer, like, you know, the not the 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.479 main character, but me watching like rebuff on the TV 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:55.200 or whatever. Okay, I want to be the girl in 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:59.800 music videos. And so I think there was no really 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:01.920 thinking having to be done. I've always known in my 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:05.440 core that no matter what I was doing, it would 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.720 be revolved around music. What surprises me the most about 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.240 it is my parents just looked at me and you're like, okay, 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.960 see you later. I was that. When I think about it, 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:14.800 I'm like, oh my gosh. I was so naive. I 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:16.440 had never lived out in my house. I had never 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:18.760 paid bills, Like even when I was in college, I 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:20.920 was going to a university right on the road, so 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.240 I had lived with my parents. Like there was never 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.080 any I just looked at my parents, was like, I 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.120 think when we move Nashville. My mom was like, great, 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:31.000 we'll see you later. Like, oh, okay, bye. Were you 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.040 did you think she might have be a little reluctant 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:34.680 to it, either of your parents like, oh, I don't know, 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:36.000 this is such a good idea. You don't know if 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:37.880 you're gonna really make it or are they always been 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.119 that supportive? They've always been really supportive. I was. I'd 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.160 like to think that I was always pretty straightforward with 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.120 them too. I wasn't a big head like. I wasn't 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.560 a you know, I wasn't sneaking out and lying and 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.719 do whatever. So and they've known, you know, my first 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.799 job was working in a music store, and I started 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.599 taking piano lessons when I was itty bitty and took 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:57.240 every lesson you can think of from there on out, 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.600 and it just I think it was a very natural 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.920 segue into where I am at now. Was music always 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.279 a big thing for you? Yes, it's um a little 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.320 bit of everything. So I have a My dad is 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.080 one of six and all of his all of his sisters. 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.800 He's there's three boys and three girls, all of them saying. 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:18.120 My grandma plays killer piano. I just have vivid memories 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.520 of show tunes when dinner was over in washing dishes, 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:23.920 and all of my aunts would split into harmonies and 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.600 sing Oklahoma or Carousel or whatever was in their mind 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.400 that day. UM so kind of started there, and I 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.760 just my mom always joked about that, I kind of 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.279 came out singing my brother was in theater. My sister 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.479 was a big rockhead. My dad loved the rat Pack, 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.360 my mom was into country so and I was the youngest. 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.200 So I was just kind of a little a little 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.360 melting pot. Oh wow, okay, yeah, youngest, just a brother 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.599 and a sister. Okay, so youngest of three? Are you 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.720 the only artist in the I guess you guys all 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.400 have some musical talent involved. My brother does. So it's 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:56.880 my sister Lee, my brother Stephen, and myself, and I'm 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.760 Stephen is a theater kid, so he did it, you know, 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:03.720 an adult as well. And he's phenomenal. He's one of 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.160 those guys that, like, they always told him that his 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.320 biggest challenge and I would be deciding if he wants 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:13.440 to build and paint the stage or be on it. Wow. Yeah, 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.120 he can do anything. Wow. That's awesome. So you're not 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:19.040 the most talented in the family, or are you equally talented? 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.560 I'd like to say equally talented, different tastes. It's like 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.560 apples and oranges. You know, we're still we're still the 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:30.040 same things. You mentioned Reebo. You'd watch her on TV 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.040 growing up. Who are some of your other idols or musicians? 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.640 Bands that you looked up to and maybe still look 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.160 up to well when I was little. It's interesting I 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:42.160 was kind of forced. Sounds harsh, but it wasn't harsh. 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.960 I just I wasn't allowed to watch MTV, so really 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.440 the only thing I could watch was CMT that had 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:53.160 music involved, you know. So, um, Lean Walmock was huge 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.360 for me. Leon Womack was kind of my like my lady. 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.200 She's still my lady crush, but at this point in 0:07:58.200 --> 0:07:59.920 my life, I think someone who has a huge phone 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.000 over me. I love the Food Fighters, I love Billy 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.640 Joel Um. Those two are kind of my main like 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.160 they can and honestly, I'm am a pretty huge John 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.560 Mayer fan. And I know people can talk all sorts 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.240 of smack, but I really do enjoy his guitar playing 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.280 like I just love his tone. Anything he does, I'm like, yeah, 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:19.800 I'm there, I'm right there with you. He has an 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.600 album that kind of changed the way that I started 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.280 playing that I started singing um just listening to him 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.280 The Search for Everything, and I had to still feel 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:32.320 like a man. Um. I love that whole album, so 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.040 that's awesome. I've never seen him. I would love to 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.680 see him he's fantastic. He really is. My friend. Garrett 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.120 and I went Garrett throwing. He's a fellow artist as well, 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.600 um Wisconsin guy. But we made the agreement going in. 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.560 I was like, neither of us is going to talk 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:46.640 like at all, and he was like, I agree. So 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:48.120 we literally just went in there and like stood next 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.520 to each other and just like consumed the entire show 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.160 in silence. It was great and soaked at all and 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:56.240 stoked at all. I mean, yeah, that's a great idea. 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.520 I don't think you've ever even thought about doing something 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.960 like that. But it's almost like one of these we're like, 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:02.400 you know what, I'm going to live in the moment 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.079 right now, right here. I don't want to talk to you. 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.120 I don't, Yeah, I just want to act like I'm 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.480 sitting in my car listening to them by myself or 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:14.000 something like that. Well, and I've learned that the older 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:15.200 I get and the more I can kind of like 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.120 sit and reflect on myself and who I am and 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:21.040 how I've grown, I've noticed that I just I really 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.920 cannot concentrate if there's music in the room, Like if 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.000 there's music going on, if it's if even if it's 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.079 a bar downtown and people are trying to talk or 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.599 have conversations and you know, mingle my brain. I'm just 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.600 watching the music. I'm just I'm like, you know. So 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.200 it's nice to have concert buddies that kind of have 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.080 the same mindset. You just go in. They're like, Okay, 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.760 we're both going to thoroughly enjoy this standing next to 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.880 each other, and that's it. And as an arty talk later, 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.439 are you, like, are you watching or listening? I should say, 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.760 more than anything listening and thinking? Are you are you 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.320 hearing everything going on? Like you're not just hearing a song? 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:54.960 If that makes sense? Are you kind of breaking it 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.440 down in your head? Oh yeah, I think yeah, because 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:58.720 you have an ear for it and you're in it 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:02.080 like I'm not. I don't play any I'm not musically 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.360 talented at all. Yeah, so I wouldn't understand like I 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:06.040 would some other things like you would with it. So 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.440 it's just interesting to me. If you sit there and 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.480 listen to it, you're probably listening to a whole different 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:14.640 sound then say, I would be, Um, yeah, I think 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.280 that's a fair statement. But I also think, you know, 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:20.800 with this being what I do, it's also nice to 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:25.600 watch other people, you know, even the visuals. You look 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:27.320 and you're like, okay, well, you know, like how am 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.800 I consuming this? Like well, obviously like auditorian visual, So 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:33.840 how would I've done that? Would I have put that 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.200 piano there? Would I have set the stage that way? 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:38.400 Would I have these lights at this time? Was that 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.400 confetti on point? You know? Like whatever it is you're doing, 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:46.920 big or small, I just like to like research how 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:51.640 other people present their passion. Do you find yourself It's 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.520 funny and bring that up because I'll do that with 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.840 like TV shows or radio shows, you know, working in 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.559 the industry, and I'll be like, well, where is the producer? 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:00.520 Why isn't he telling this person to do this or whatever? 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:02.679 That with movies all the time, now I'm like, oh, 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.640 look at this shot. I'm like, no, Tara, I get 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.840 consumed exactly. You're not enjoying the movie now, you're just 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:09.800 looking at the background. So that's what I was going 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:11.880 to ask. Can you do you think it like kind 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.760 of hinders your enjoyment of a show or no? Is 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:16.720 it more of an art to you that you're just 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.720 trying to figure out your mind? I think it's more 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.199 of an art, and I think something else. So I've 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.800 made my New Year's resolution was to see one show 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.920 a month, because I think when you're a creator, when 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:32.600 you're making music constantly, you forget to go get it, 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:34.480 like you forget to go get it in your in 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:37.199 your blood again, and you kind of forget, you know, 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:38.599 I'm like, oh, I've got to play that night, Like 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:40.679 I'm not going to go see this show, you know, 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.880 But every time I leave a concert, I'm always so 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.120 happy I did that. I'm always like, oh man, I 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:51.199 needed that. Like I think as an artist, you forget, 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.920 you know, you're like giving, giving, giving, but you forget 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.559 that when you go to the concert that artist is 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.360 giving to you, like you fill your cut back up, 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.160 and you forget that you can do that at concerts, 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:02.800 even in small venues. You know, there's so many great 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.080 stages in Nashville that are itty bitty that you can 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.720 just go and you're like, oh man, I didn't even 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.360 know I needed that. You just walk out of there 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.760 going like I feel different than I did walking in. 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.120 You have a very profound look to you where it's 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.720 like you walk in and you have this bright hair 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.400 and these tattoos and a lot of your outfits are 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.600 very bright and colorful. Yeah, And is that something that 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.360 you have always done throughout your life? Like growing up 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.080 as a teenager, did you always have different How many 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:32.400 hair color shade have you had? Do you think probably 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:36.520 most of them? Is that something that you dive into 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:38.760 and you just really enjoy just bringing out your personality 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:40.839 with it, whether it's your tattoos or your outfits or 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.040 your hair because I love it. I mean you walk 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.600 in and you just scream confidence. Oh yeah, so it 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:51.280 just that's what Okay, So maybe it's just a front 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.559 and then no, I think with each passing year, I 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.160 definitely settle more and more into it. I think it's 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.719 who I've always been. I think as a teenager, you 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.840 know you're always you don't really I don't think majority 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:04.920 of us know exactly who we are as teenagers. We 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:08.440 have a vague outline, right, yes, but m yeah, No, 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:14.160 the colors have always been part of me. I enjoy colors. 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.720 I don't have. I like a nice solid black dress 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.719 every once in a while, but other than matt, I'm 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.800 whatever catches my eye that day is going on. So 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:24.360 and a lot of times I don't think they really 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.400 make a whole lot of sense, but my friends tell 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:33.760 me I look cool, So that's great. Thanks. Since you 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.880 moved to Nashville and you started playing music right away, 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.280 has this always been your source of income for you? 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.840 Or have you had to have multiple jobs at some points? Like? 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.480 What's that been like for you? Um, there was about 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:48.280 a year where I bartended, but um, that was mostly 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:51.160 because I wanted to bartend. I'd never bartended before and 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.640 I just woke up and was like, I want to 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:56.679 dry bartending one day. So I did that for about 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.080 a year and um no, But other than that, IVE 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.360 always been music full time since I was twenty one. Okay, 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.240 do you think that's pretty rare for you too? Because 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.199 I talk to some people and they'll be like, yeah, 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.320 I've had to serve for a year, like had to 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.520 serve or had to barten, or had to do another 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.240 job during the day and then perform at night. So 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.440 do you find yourself pretty lucky are you? Or do 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:19.560 you find other people as well who can come here 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.320 and make a living just doing music from the get go? 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.280 I think it really depends on your personality. Depends on 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:29.080 your personality and your work ethic, and you're honestly your 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:35.720 ability to live at a lower income at moments in 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.400 your life, like if you have the ability to go like, Okay, 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.600 well you know my bank account is has four dollars 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.120 in it, but I know I'm going to work tonight, 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.280 and I know I'm working this weekend, and so I 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.480 just have to make four dollars. I have to not 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:49.800 freak out at having four dollars. If you can have 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:54.640 the wherewithal to just like chill yourself out, you'll be fine. 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.520 I've always eaten. My dad has a great saying of 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.960 like what did He always used to tell some real 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.200 It was something along the lines of like you may 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.920 never have excess, but somehow you will always have enough. 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.000 So I don't know if that's like a blind faith 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:11.120 thing or if it's just like a you know, you 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.760 get what you put out. But I have always had enough, 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.240 and there's been moments of like, you know, holy that 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:22.000 was a big paycheck. So I'd like more of those. 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.760 Anybody's listening, Yeah, Universe, if you're out there, I'd like 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.120 some more of those places. If you get into existence, yes, 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.640 I'm here, show me which door to walk through when 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:36.360 you hit those low moments, whether it's monetarily or professionally. 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.000 Have you had a moment where you're like, I don't 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:39.880 know if this is what I want to do anymore? No, 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.840 you've never gotten there. No, I've had moments of like, 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.240 I may have moments of going like, man, what am 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.160 I doing with my life? But it always resolves to 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.320 exactly what you're supposed to be doing, and it's just 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:54.440 not easy. So you're gonna be uncomfortable. You are human, 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.160 You're gonna be uncomfortable. You're gonna have self doubt, You're 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:01.080 going to compare yourself set time, you know, to those 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.840 around you and wonder why you didn't get that call 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:08.440 or you know, oh my gosh, there's so much you know, 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:12.040 thinking someone's better than you are, but no one can 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.200 do it like I can do it, and I can't 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.440 do it like they can do it. Do you play 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.720 downtown a lot or no? Um, I played down there 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.320 when I'm in town like Monday through Wednesday, and then 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.360 you're traveling on the weekend. Traveling on the weekends, Yeah, 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.160 you are? You like on tour right now or you 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:31.560 I did a little tour last year. As of right now, 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.040 my next thing I think is in Uh, I'm going 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.040 to Oregon I haven't done like a tour, like a 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:39.960 drive by drive mine or more like flight dates. I 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:41.920 guess you'd say, are you filling in kind of thing 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.000 or is it like a band that you're with. It's 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:45.920 kind of about half and half. Okay, so half of 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:47.600 them will be acoustic dates and half of them will 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.760 be band dates. Okay, yeah, okay, you got a pretty 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.560 busy year coming up, or I hope. So, yeah, it's 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:55.640 I've got a couple of dates I'm supposed to be playing, 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.920 and I think it's October. I'm going over to Switzerland 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.080 to play a festivals called Bottom Part, so that'll be 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:03.880 I'm excited for that one. They have like a ten 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.880 day festival where the whole city shuts down, and I've 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.080 been over there a couple of times, I think three 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.879 or four times now, So shout out to Bottom Switzerland, 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:16.439 high guys looking forward to that. Do you pay for 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.159 all this out of pocket? Everything I've ever done is 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.400 out of my own pocket? What's that like for you? 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.240 Trying to You're booking your own stuff, You're paying your 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.119 your your own everything, right, correct, So what is that 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:32.760 entail overwhelming for you? There are moments where, especially last 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.399 year and I feel going into this year where I'm like, Okay, 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.800 I understand why this takes a team, because sometimes I 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:43.159 just kind of look around. I'm like, ah, there's a 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:47.040 lot of things I need to do right now. But 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.720 I think it's also I'm I'm grateful for it now 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.560 because I think when the time comes that I'm able 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:58.960 to afford to have that team, I will be understanding 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.080 of their situations. You know, it won't be so expected. 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:04.840 It'll be more like a, Okay, it happens that, Yeah 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:06.720 that was weird. Let's you know, segue this way or 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:08.960 whatever we have to do. And it's allowed me to 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.800 just learn the business, you know five Like what do 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:16.640 they call it? Baptism by fire? So um, yeah, that's 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.040 an interesting perspective. So if anything goes wrong in the 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:20.440 future and you have a team, you're like, well, I've 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:23.040 been there, I understand. Here's how we can either fix it, 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.120 or you can understand and not just yell at them 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.480 right within reason, or I have my feelings hurt or 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.000 be frustrated. You know, it's like frustration can only get 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:31.399 you so far, and then it's like you just have 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:33.800