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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome back to another episode of Two Jersey Jays.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jackie Jennifer, and today we are discussing something very

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Speaker 1: timely and interesting and it's something that I've been wanting

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Speaker 1: to talk about because basically, no one knows what's going

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Speaker 1: on with Jersey that's true.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's I don't know. I can promise you that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they get just all the time. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: none of us. Now everyone has their theories, but basically

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Speaker 1: I think that a lot of us are at a

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Speaker 1: point where we're starting to think about what life might

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Speaker 1: look like without the show. And something about the show

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Speaker 1: is that it really kind of in a good way.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it could be a good way or a

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Speaker 1: bad way, but it like really like takes over your

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Speaker 1: life if you let it, which it has for most

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Speaker 1: of us.

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Speaker 3: It kind of like you have so much going on.

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Speaker 1: It's like every day there's something, whether you're planning something

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Speaker 1: or attending something, or talking about the show, or like

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Speaker 1: filming the show or watching the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's not like a three month gig, right,

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Speaker 4: It definitely is, from my experience, takes up more time

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Speaker 4: than three months months out of the year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: And you know, for some house I've you know, on

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Speaker 1: other franchises, suddenly that rug gets pulled out from under

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Speaker 1: them and they don't have time to even think about

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Speaker 1: what would my life look like without the show. And

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Speaker 1: of course, like most of us have beautiful lives. It's

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Speaker 1: not like anyone's going to go like live in poverty

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Speaker 1: or like not have anything. But it is a lot

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Speaker 1: to adjust from.

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Speaker 4: I would think every year that you're on is a

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Speaker 4: year more you have to adjust afterwards. I don't know,

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Speaker 4: I'm just making that up, but I would think that

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Speaker 4: it's harder for someone like you, Jack than it would

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Speaker 4: be for me, just simply because of the fact that I.

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Speaker 2: Haven't been on as long. I'm not well, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know about that, because after my second year on the show,

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Speaker 1: I was way more like obsessed with it than I

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Speaker 1: am now. Really, yeah, like after my second year, I

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Speaker 1: was like more and more like I couldn't get enough.

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Speaker 1: I want all of it, like every extra activity, And

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Speaker 1: now I'm kind of like I feel very fortunate, like

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Speaker 1: I would like to come back if the show comes back,

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Speaker 1: but like I feel very fortunate that I had like

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Speaker 1: almost seven years of like excitement and like I feel

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Speaker 1: like I could do something with those open doors now,

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Speaker 1: you know, like I wouldn't be as devastated I think

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Speaker 1: now as I would have been.

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Speaker 3: If it all got taken away after two years.

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Speaker 4: That's so interesting because I think about not just from

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Speaker 4: our cast, but you know, ogs from all of the

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Speaker 4: casts and have been lived a certain way for let's say,

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Speaker 4: over ten years. Well, I think it's really person specific

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Speaker 4: now even how it's sort of like how it all resonates,

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Speaker 4: how it pans out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like I think there's some like longtime housewives,

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Speaker 1: so I could just read on them that they're like

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Speaker 1: okay with moving on. Yeah, like that maybe it doesn't

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Speaker 1: fit their life anymore, you know what I'm saying. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's certainly listen, it's all encompassing.

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Speaker 4: It's not this is not the kind of gig where

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Speaker 4: you don't not thinking about you know, work once you

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Speaker 4: once you go home.

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Speaker 2: It's not a nine to five.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, obviously things changed dramatically, and I

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Speaker 4: think there's probably such an emotional toll to that. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I haven't experienced it yet. Could be that I'm about to,

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Speaker 4: could be that I am not. Who knows, you know

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Speaker 4: how it's going to go. But it's going to end

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Speaker 4: one way or another. It's not this is not going

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Speaker 4: to be you know, my my trajectory on the show

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Speaker 4: is not going to be all right.

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Speaker 1: It's going to end for everybody at some point, Like

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Speaker 1: we're not going to be in our seventies on the show, right. So,

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Speaker 1: but but it is interesting that we are in the

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Speaker 1: unique position to get like almost some time to like contemplate,

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Speaker 1: well what it could feel like and to prepare for that,

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Speaker 1: you know, so that by the time it comes and

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Speaker 1: who knows, who knows what they're going to do, like

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Speaker 1: I have, I have seen Bravo.

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Speaker 3: Like so, Jen and I are not.

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Speaker 1: Going to be talking about specific people or mentioning specific

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Speaker 3: But I have seen. I just think it's interesting that

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Speaker 3: we get like that.

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Speaker 1: Time to prepare, whereas some people just get it old

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Speaker 1: pulled out potomac.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, also just in terms of I just want you

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Speaker 4: guys to know that, like we obviously, you know, we

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Speaker 4: go back and forth with specifics and what do you

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Speaker 4: think about not just our show, we talk about you know,

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Speaker 4: all the different franchises, Like do you think this person's

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Speaker 2: Is this We're going to say? What is this person

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Speaker 4: But because we are, we're talking and we try to

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Speaker 4: talk to you guys each week about stuff that's going

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Speaker 4: on outside of Housewives and stuff that we're dealing with,

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Speaker 4: you know, at our ages and going through these crazy

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Speaker 4: life changes. But I feel I feel like this is

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Speaker 4: you know, it's not just sounds specific to anyone housewife,

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Speaker 4: Like what happens in your life when something you've been

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Speaker 4: so devoted to, something that has sort of like taken

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Speaker 4: no longer? Right?

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Speaker 3: Like what do you?

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Speaker 4: Where do you go from there? Is there a way

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Speaker 4: to prepare? Is your mental health affected? I'm sure that

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Speaker 4: it is good and bad right specifically like with the Housewives,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure good things and bad things happen on.

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Speaker 3: So how are like if it ended?

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Speaker 4: So you know, That's why I said to you, I

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Speaker 4: feel like it would be harder if I had been

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Speaker 4: on longer for me, and also because I've been in

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Speaker 4: this friend of role. I'm not saying it won't be

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Speaker 4: hard and I can't I can tell you right now oh,

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Speaker 4: I'll be fine. But the truth is, like when I

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Speaker 4: found out I was going to be a friend of

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Speaker 4: instead of a full time housewife, my ego was just

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Speaker 4: so bent out of shape. So if I picture a

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Speaker 4: scenario where I get told listen, Jen, we're going on

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Speaker 4: see you never that, I think that my ego would

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Speaker 4: be very bruised.

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Speaker 1: So I have a question, Yes, do you think it

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Speaker 1: would be different the way your ego would feel if

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Speaker 1: the whole show got rebooted versus some people staying in,

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Speaker 1: some people going yes, it would be different.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's just the truth, and I think that

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Speaker 4: I mean, I I know for a fact that my

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Speaker 4: life is not just this show, because I've had a

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Speaker 4: long life. I had fifty three years before I got

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Speaker 4: onto The Housewives of New Jersey, and I will have

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Speaker 4: not that many, but hopefully a lot more, you know,

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Speaker 4: years after. And I know that I have a lot

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Speaker 4: life will go on, and who knows, who knows what

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Speaker 4: ego will be separate from what my life looks like.

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Speaker 4: I know that I'm very blessed. I have a great life.

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Speaker 4: I have struggles, I have heartache, I have you know,

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Speaker 4: happy times, all of it. But I think it'll be

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Speaker 4: I think I can overcome that though, right Like, it'll

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Speaker 4: Or was I not good enough? Or you know, why me?

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Speaker 4: And depending on how it all pans out, and then

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Speaker 4: I think my life will move on and I'll be

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Speaker 4: a hopefully you know, I'll be Jen Fessler and I

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Speaker 4: was happy before and fulfilled and I'll be happy and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I feel the same way.

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Speaker 4: Do you feel like your life potentially it could get

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Speaker 4: better once the show if you're not on the show, Like,

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Speaker 4: do you feel like there's do you see a path

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Speaker 4: you've it's easier than you thought to let go?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think it's it's hard right now

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Speaker 1: just I think anyone on our cast would tell you

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Speaker 1: that this season did not feel happy. There was no

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Speaker 3: Been really sad.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I felt like I went through a lot

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Speaker 1: Social media was very mean to me. So right now

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Speaker 1: I'm at a little bit of a different place. But

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Speaker 3: Like where I left off. Do you know, like I

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Speaker 1: More season to like change that, you know, because I

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Speaker 1: feel like whatever, Like that's not me what people ended

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Speaker 1: I would have more time to put my if I'm

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Speaker 1: being honest, Like, my happiest thing is writing. I love writing,

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Speaker 1: and so obviously i'd have more time for writing. But

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Speaker 1: do I want to write full time? There's I think

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Speaker 1: that the true answer is there are a lot of

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Speaker 4: Interesting, I think I wonder how it's different like in

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Speaker 4: say a celebrity gets canceled.

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Speaker 3: I think that must be done. I wonder, I wonder,

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Speaker 3: I mean getting canceled. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine anything worse than everyone suddenly thinking that

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Speaker 1: you're horrible.

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Speaker 4: It's different, Right, So let's say if you go somebody's

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Speaker 4: everyone thinks that that that person is horrible. It's not

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Speaker 4: the same as getting canceled. But I wonder if you know,

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Speaker 4: even not celebrity, but but when something that you've been

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Speaker 4: Like doesn't matter what it is like at some point,

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Speaker 4: Jeff Wessler is not going to and that's his passion

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Speaker 4: is I don't know why, but it's being a corporate attorney.

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Speaker 4: So that's what turns him on. And you know, the

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Speaker 4: man is sixty two, and I guess at some point

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Speaker 4: if he doesn't leave, they're going to push him out.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to.

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Speaker 4: I don't see him being a seventy eight year old

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Speaker 4: corporate attorney. And then what does that look like?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: And that's I mean, that's we're talking about retirement, but

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Speaker 4: also like how do you how does life change and

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's easy to think this is it and like

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Speaker 3: Right, Just break up with Tom Sandoval. That's all you

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Speaker 4: Exactly exactly So, I mean, so maybe that's part of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you feel like people age out? Like I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're totally right.

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Speaker 1: So we have a best guest today because this man

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Speaker 4: So Dave is a senior editor at People and he

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Speaker 4: We also know him from a book that if you

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Speaker 4: haven't read, I would suggest run, not walk, to your

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Speaker 4: I don't have to push this book because I feel

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Speaker 3: Let's welcome Dave Yay.

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Speaker 6: Hello.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Oh you look so cute with your hands. Great cat.

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Speaker 6: Thank you? How are my friends?

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Speaker 2: Hi, Dave Quinn.

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Speaker 3: We're good, so grateful to have you here today.

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Speaker 1: So, Jenna and I were just discussing the fact that,

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Speaker 3: Us, or we might prepare for it and then bes back.

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Speaker 1: So knows, right, but we're really curious to talk about,

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Speaker 4: You know, when Jackie actually did she said, you know,

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Speaker 4: they all already read your book.

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Speaker 2: But if not, like Dave is.

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Speaker 4: If there's an expert, if there is an expert right

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what so much.

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Speaker 4: So No, I just think it's I think it's I'm

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to jump right in, Dave, and I'm

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Speaker 5: I think it's a morning process for a lot of people.

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Speaker 5: First you sit in a purgatory of what the hell

442
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,480
Speaker 5: is that well that I just finished?

443
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:49,560
Speaker 6: Right, what is it going to be?

444
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 5: What's anyone going to think? And then you have to

445
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 5: watch it and relive it with the with the eyes

446
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,200
Speaker 5: of an editor, with the eyes of a national audience,

447
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,600
Speaker 5: saying what they think you were feeling, or what they

448
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,920
Speaker 5: think your motivations were, or how you should act or

449
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,560
Speaker 5: how you shouldn't act, or whatever it is. So all

450
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,359
Speaker 5: of that is its own experience, right, And then if

451
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 5: you get used to it, if you've done it three four, five, six,

452
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,639
Speaker 5: how many of our seasons even you just kind of

453
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 5: are in a rhythm of it. So when that gets

454
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 5: pulled away from you, whether you leave on your own

455
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,120
Speaker 5: or whether someone tells you you have to go. There's

456
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 5: a morning process of it, you know, you know that

457
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 5: filming starts and you're not a part of it, and

458
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 5: you're kind of like, oh man.

459
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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's why I asked Jen, like if she

460
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 1: thinks it'll be easier if the whole show, if our

461
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 1: whole show just gets rebooted, and both of us agree,

462
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,719
Speaker 1: of course, that would be rather than the ego, right right,

463
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 1: rather than watching other people.

464
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 3: Be us back.

465
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Speaker 1: What about?

466
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Speaker 4: Well, also, Dave, what about if somebody had had has

467
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 4: a really bad season and you would think they've gotten

468
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 4: so much?

469
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Speaker 3: You know that either of us had a bad season.

470
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 3: I'm obviously, but no, we are.

471
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 4: Listen, Jackie, obviously it doesn't feel great about last season.

472
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 4: Having said that, though they're you know, there's always a housewife.

473
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 4: I think probably that feels that way. But is even

474
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 4: at that point, housewives generally want to come back, even

475
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 4: if they've had this really shitty season and they are

476
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 4: taking it from all, you know, angles, because you always

477
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 4: feel like.

478
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 3: You're going to redeem yourself. What do you think, dude?

479
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, and well I would say that.

480
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 5: I've never spoken to a housewife who hasn't told me

481
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 5: that she wanted to quit. I wanted to leave, didn't

482
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 5: want anything to do with it anymore, no matter whether

483
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 5: she was in the middle of a good season or

484
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 5: a bad season. You know, the stress of people's comments.

485
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 5: I was on the phone with a housewife just earlier

486
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 5: today who was telling me I'm quitting. I'm going to

487
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,199
Speaker 5: this reunion and I am quitting. I want nothing to

488
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 5: do with the show anymore. I can't stand it. I'll

489
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 5: make money elsewhere, it doesn't matter, right. But that doesn't

490
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 5: really happen, right, And I know many housewives who have

491
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 5: oh yes, Aulda production and said I'm out, I don't

492
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 5: want anything to do with this, but they still kind

493
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 5: of get back in. So even if you've had a

494
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 5: terrible season, you still kind of want to be a

495
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 5: part of it. And like you said, Jackie, like you

496
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 5: think maybe I can redeem myself. Maybe next time it'll

497
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 5: be better.

498
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 4: It's so if I was just going to tell this

499
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 4: very quickly because I don't want us to miss a

500
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 4: second with you, but first season, maybe the first week

501
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 4: we're filming, and Jackie and I had like a quibble

502
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 4: and did never it never made it to air, okay,

503
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 4: But anyway, so we had like this quittal. It was

504
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 4: it was my first and I was devastated and I

505
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 4: was I left this scene and I was.

506
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 3: She's shaking.

507
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 4: I was so upset, I said, I said to Chris

508
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 4: d Rosa, listen, I can't do this. So I'm sorry,

509
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 4: but you know, tell them fessler out. And he's like,

510
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 4: m hm, why don't you call me in the morning

511
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 4: and tell me that. He said, Okay, I'm not going

512
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 4: to call anyone right now, Jen to report that. Why

513
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 4: you call me in the morning and you let me

514
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 4: know how you feel. And he just laughed like in

515
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 4: my face, which I guess he should have, right because

516
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, the drama of the whole thing, Oh, I.

517
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: Mean the number of times that I have said that

518
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 1: I'm going to quit and then I came back, you know.

519
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,479
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I think that's that's a part, and

520
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: that's a natural response to being upset or or something.

521
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: But anyway, do you find that after that morning process?

522
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: Do ex housewives in general tend to want to stay

523
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: in the spotlight. Do they start like trying to become

524
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: an influencer or do a lot of them go back

525
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: to a quiet life.

526
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 6: Well, it's funny.

527
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 5: I think that it's changed over the past couple of

528
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 5: years because I think, no disrespect, but the advent of

529
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 5: podcasts has really changed the way I have house most

530
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 5: reality career could look like.

531
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not talking about two Jersey Jays, No, no, no,

532
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 1: but I'm talking I'm just kidding.

533
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 5: About like even if you think I mean Brandy Glanville,

534
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 5: I think was sort of the first housewife who had

535
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 5: a podcast, but so many other housewives have now jumped

536
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 5: into this and it's exploded into something that they can

537
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 5: still sort of stay in the public eye through it

538
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 5: even if they leave. But it really depends on the person.

539
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 5: There have been a lot of women who have sort

540
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 5: of let it go and said I don't really want

541
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 5: anything to do with this, and I'll see you later,

542
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 5: and they've gone back to their lives of raising their

543
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 5: children or doing whatever they need to do. Those who

544
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 5: are in the public eye beforehand, I think, have remained

545
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 5: in the public eye in some way, shape or form.

546
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 5: There have been plenty who have just tried to be

547
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 5: on other shows and sort of waited for the call back.

548
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 5: It really depends on who you are. And the truth is,

549
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 5: like all those people are who they were on the

550
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 5: show in the first place, So you can always sort

551
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 5: of tell right, Like, you know, if you're somebody on

552
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 5: the show who is really obsessed with the show and

553
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 5: talking about the show and seems to sort of make

554
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 5: their lives about the show, that they're going to struggle

555
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 5: a lot when the show is gone.

556
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Speaker 3: Are there?

557
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 4: Don't you find most housewives are like that or friends

558
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 4: of housewives. Don't you feel like most of them, you know,

559
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,719
Speaker 4: do make their life. It's hard not to my experience.

560
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, you're right, it's really hard not to. And

561
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 5: I mean Jackie will tell you the advice that I

562
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 5: gave Jackie which I met Jackie before she actually premiered

563
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 5: on the show, and I said to her, you know,

564
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 5: Jackie has said, the thing is, you're going to get

565
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 5: a ton of people talking about you on social media,

566
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 5: and I just I really implore you to ignore all

567
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 5: the negative things people are saying about you can't trust them,

568
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 5: like you just have to like take the negative out

569
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 5: of there. And I was like, but you also have

570
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 5: to take the positive out like anything nice someone says

571
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 5: about you. Have to ignore too, because it's equally unreliable because.

572
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 4: You I pay someone two hundred dollars an hour for

573
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 4: the same message, but go on, kisses me off, Dave Quinn.

574
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 5: I'll give it to you for free, but you won't listen.

575
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 5: I mean, Jackie did it.

576
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 6: No one does. It's hard. It's hard.

577
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 5: It is, And I say that, you know with the

578
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 5: utmost respect and understanding how difficult it is. I don't

579
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 5: have any judgment in this. It's difficult to walk away

580
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 5: from it. It's difficult to get it out of your life.

581
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 5: You know, one housewife, when I was writing the book,

582
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 5: who had been long out of the game, described it

583
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 5: to me as as the as the girl in the

584
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 5: horror movie who makes it to the end and defeats

585
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 5: the bad guy and goes into the room and closes

586
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 5: the door and takes a deep breath, and then the

587
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 5: hand jumps out of the closet and grabs her. Because

588
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 5: there's no escape from it. Because the truth is, it

589
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 5: doesn't matter if you were on the show for one

590
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 5: season or eighteen seasons. Everyone will identify you as a

591
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 5: housewife for the rest of your career. That's what's on

592
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 5: your tombstone.

593
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: That's not necessarily a bad thing if you use it

594
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: to your advantage.

595
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,479
Speaker 4: So let's just say it's fame and money, right, So

596
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 4: those are the two things that people become addicted to,

597
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 4: at least that's what most people say, right, What is

598
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 4: it though about the fame? Because I feel like you've

599
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 4: probably done a deep, deep dive into our psychees, Like

600
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 4: what is it that just turns us on so much?

601
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 4: And especially if you think about housewives, so they are

602
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 4: maybe they're getting younger, maybe not, But you're also talking

603
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 4: a lot about middle aged women right that are picked

604
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 4: up out of their lives there I don't know, potentially

605
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 4: mundane lives, not that they're unsatisfying, but whatever, But like,

606
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 4: what is it that becomes so addictive?

607
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: Like describe that?

608
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 4: Is it?

609
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: Like what happens with the fame?

610
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 5: Well, I want to explain that it's very different than

611
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 5: say Alisa Renna or somebody who's sort of been famous,

612
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 5: been famous before they got on the show, because there

613
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 5: is like a there's a big difference there. The person

614
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 5: I'm talking about is the you know, the Ninny Leagues,

615
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 5: the Jill Zarin, the person who just like existed in

616
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 5: the world and then became famous through the show, and

617
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 5: both of you I think would be an example of that. Right, like, yes,

618
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 5: no disrespect, but.

619
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 6: The show made untaken and that is listen.

620
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter whether you get that at eighteen or

621
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 5: you get that at forty eight or whatever it may be. Right,

622
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 5: that is powerful. That is powerful that all of a

623
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 5: sudden people know who you are and value you and

624
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 5: want to know about you and get excited about you

625
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 5: and champion you like you know, the memes, the tweets,

626
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 5: the instagram posts like, it is beautiful, it is enticing,

627
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 5: it's exciting. Fame is addictive for so many people because

628
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 5: it makes them feel good. It just a scratch within

629
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 5: them that they maybe never had itched before. It's not

630
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 5: about money, although that's a part of it. It's nice

631
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 5: to make money. We all like that. It's about notoriety.

632
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 5: It's about feeling like your value, that you matter. At

633
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 5: the end of the day, we as human beings, no

634
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 5: matter whether we're famous or not, we all just want

635
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 5: somebody to say to us, I see you, I hear you,

636
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 5: and what you have, what you are saying has value

637
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 5: to me. You are valuable by what you're saying. That's

638
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 5: all we ever want. That's what I want from my friends,

639
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 5: that's what I want from my family, That's what everyone wants.

640
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 5: But when you're a housewife, when you're in the spotlight,

641
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 5: you're getting that on a national scale. And that's addictive.

642
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 5: And that is what really leads to what I always

643
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 5: call the ego, which stands for edging God out. That

644
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 5: when you start building into your ego and leaning onto

645
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 5: your ego and thinking that like this is who you

646
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 5: really are, your shit doesn't stink right, like this is

647
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 5: what I want to be, you lose sense of what

648
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 5: grounds you.

649
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 6: To the earth. God could be whatever you want it

650
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 6: to be.

651
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 5: It's I'm a eleven year recovering alcoholic. My God is

652
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 5: my higher power? Is you know Dumbledore for Christic. It

653
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 5: doesn't matter, you know, it could be anything, but it's

654
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 5: just what keeps you grounded onto this earth. And I

655
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 5: think a lot of these women lose that.

656
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 4: I hope housewives are listening to this particular episode. I

657
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 4: think that that is and I have spoken about this

658
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 4: so much in therapy, trying to keep that like at

659
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 4: the forefront of what's happening in my mind, you know,

660
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 4: like it doesn't matter. All of these people feeding my

661
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 4: ego or not. I'm still loved worthwhile, I'm still a

662
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 4: child of God, like all of that doesn't it doesn't

663
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 4: change just because the masses, you know, know who I

664
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 4: am all of a sudden. But it's a very it's

665
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 4: a tricky thing not to feed into that, like now

666
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 4: I matter, now I'm special, It's all bullshit.

667
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I when I'm.

668
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: Talking about actually the difference between the feeling of not

669
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: being asked back to the show versus a celebrity who

670
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: gets canceled, and I imagine that would be harder in

671
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: a way to all of a sudden have the world

672
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: think that you are terrible for.

673
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: Or maybe not, maybe it's the same.

674
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 4: I mean, it's this feeling of all of a sudden,

675
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 4: you had all of this adelation, and you had all

676
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 4: of this, you know, this stroking and feeding of your ego,

677
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 4: and then it goes away and you have to actually

678
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 4: have some sort of feeling of self worth and sense

679
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 4: of self or you're kind of screwed.

680
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

681
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that people who succeed the most at

682
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 5: it are the people who had that to begin with,

683
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 5: you know, the ones who come to the show looking

684
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 5: to fulfill them in some way and listen. We've also

685
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 5: watched the show tear people's lives apart, and I always

686
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 5: I don't blame the show for Marriage is Dissolving.

687
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 6: I think that it.

688
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 5: Elevates and sort of exposes what really was there that

689
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 5: was never addressed. But think about if you're somebody who

690
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 5: comes to the show, you are married, and all of

691
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 5: a sudden, through the course of their time on the show,

692
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 5: you get divorced, maybe you have bad relationships, maybe there's

693
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 5: legal problems. Right, all of these things are happening to

694
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 5: you NonStop.

695
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 6: You sort of.

696
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 5: Sort of lose control over who you were in the

697
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 5: first place, who that person was started it. And ye,

698
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 5: change is good. We all need to change and grow

699
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 5: and evolve. But if you don't hold on tight to

700
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 5: what that is and you can always see I always

701
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 5: pay attention to the housewives who all of a sudden

702
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 5: have a new circle around them.

703
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 6: I call them a lot.

704
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 5: Of like the bottom fears, the hanger on hers, like

705
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 5: they all start surrounding themselves with these fans who are

706
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 5: obsessed with them and who are just going to yes

707
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 5: them to death. I think both of you know in

708
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 5: conversations we've had, I will never yes you to death,

709
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 5: because what value is that going to bring to either

710
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 5: of us and our friendship. I'll tell you what I

711
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 5: think is good or bad, but I don't judge you.

712
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 5: I don't you know, Like I'm here to love and support,

713
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 5: but ultimately, at the end of the day, you have

714
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 5: to lean on the people that you have in your

715
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 5: life who are like that. You can't fall into the

716
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 5: crowds of the other folks. And that's what really I think.

717
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 6: People.

718
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 4: I always get asked like, are these people all the time?

719
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 4: I can tell you if I had a penny for

720
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 4: every time, But are these women really your friends? And

721
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 4: I say the same thing. These are women that I

722
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 4: have grown to love, that have become yes, have become

723
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 4: my friends. What ties us. The tie that binds us

724
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 4: is the housewives. And it's a different thing like my

725
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 4: friends that I've had. It has to be, of course,

726
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: because I have history. I have twenty years, thirty years,

727
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 4: I mean my college friends next week, you know, forty

728
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 4: years of friendship. So it's different. I have friends that

729
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 4: I would turn to when things happen. If we our

730
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 4: kids grew up together, you know, they were babies together.

731
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 4: I've loved their kids, They've loved mine. It's a different thing,

732
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: like I turned to those friends with different stuff, not always,

733
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 4: you know, I count on the advice of friends that

734
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 4: I've made, you know, with my time in terms of

735
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 4: my time on Housewives. But I have to be able

736
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 4: to have that also, I can't just be surrounded by

737
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 4: just the housewives and just the you know, the people

738
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 4: that I've met through Housewives.

739
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: Right, So that actually.

740
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: Brings out a very interesting question. Do you find that

741
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: when someone leaves the show, do they sort of disengage

742
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: from the show entirely? And those friendships do dissolve? Or

743
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: do do X house From where I sit when I'm

744
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: looking at X Housewives, they don't seem to be like

745
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: close friends except for the Dallas cast because they all

746
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: went down together. But aside from that, and I love

747
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: the Dallas cast, I actually loved it.

748
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: I want Dallas.

749
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: I should have a lot of them are still friends?

750
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: Do you think that Housewives do they generally tend to

751
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: like stay close with the other people they used to

752
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 1: be on the show with. Is there a jealousy like

753
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: the ones that stay on the ones that get.

754
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, but again that's all natural, right, Imagine,

755
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 5: like you get moved off of this thing.

756
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 6: It's hard.

757
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 5: I'll name Tamra as an example, because she's somebody who

758
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 5: spoken really clearly about that. When she got fired, it

759
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 5: was really hard for her to sit back and watch

760
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 5: all of these people do this thing that she had

761
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 5: been doing for a while. And her close friendship with

762
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 5: Shannon dissolved at that time because they used to talk

763
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 5: every single day, but a big chunk of what they

764
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 5: were talking about was the show. And now Shannon's not

765
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 5: going to call her to talk about the show because

766
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 5: Shannon is trying to find someone else to align with

767
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 5: on the cast, and it's a game of survivor in

768
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 5: some cases to some of these women, and you know,

769
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 5: Tamra then gets left behind and her feelings are hurt.

770
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 5: That doesn't mean that their friendship wasn't real, but it

771
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 5: does mean that their friendship was based around something that

772
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 5: was really specific. Think of it just as work friends,

773
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 5: like I have really close work friends who were like

774
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 5: my life when I worked at that company, and then

775
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 5: I don't work at that company where I rarely talk

776
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 5: to them at all. And it's not because I didn't

777
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 5: care for them. It's not that that didn't matter to me,

778
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 5: but it's when we didn't have that thing sort of

779
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 5: uniting us, it was really difficult for us to sort

780
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 5: of maintain that daily conversation. Was I jealous of their

781
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 5: success now, but.

782
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 4: You also didn't have to see like that's that's the mind,

783
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 4: that's the mind. F right is like unlike you, like

784
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 4: you left the job and you weren't keyed into what

785
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 4: was happening at the job every day, and there's like

786
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 4: the potential here you leave this job and you still

787
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 4: see your work friends.

788
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: Every day every week. Would you watch the show?

789
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

790
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I would potentially like that hard

791
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 4: you can It's not you know, it's hard to let go.

792
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 4: And even if you're not watching, you're hearing about, you're

793
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 4: seeing the stories. I'm sure it's very tempting to want

794
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: to know what's going on in this in this world

795
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 4: that you were once part of.

796
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Jackie, I'll say that, like, I do think

797
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 5: that whether you talked about the fact that like it

798
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 5: would be easier if the whole show got changed and

799
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 5: we just are watching new people.

800
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: I don't well egoize, but I think if you.

801
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 5: Ask any of the New York Housewives, they wouldn't feel

802
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 5: that way. I think that and Sonya and Ramona and Derinda,

803
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 5: they all had a hard time watching that other cast that.

804
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

805
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 6: You've tossed me aside. Yeah, and I don't matter.

806
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 5: And now you're saying this matters and they're not better

807
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 5: than me because I brought this, this and that and

808
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 5: they didn't bring that up.

809
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, you're right, and think about that. Yeah, can

810
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 3: I ask you?

811
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: And I know that you're not the network obviously disclaimer,

812
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: like none of us has any inside information. So this

813
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: is just like all educated opinions. But do you feel

814
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: like people age out? So like I was saying that

815
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: Karen is in her sixties, I really don't know anyone

816
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: else in their sixties in the Housewives spear.

817
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm getting there. I don't know if I'm in

818
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 4: the spear or not anymore, but I'm definitely.

819
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: Into No, there's a lot in there, you know, in

820
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: their late fifties, mid fifties. But I don't know, what

821
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: do you think, like, are we going to start seeing

822
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: the era of housewives in their mid sixties.

823
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 5: I don't think that age has anything to do with that.

824
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 5: I think storyline has something to do with that. If

825
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 5: they feel like there's nothing more to explore in your story,

826
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 5: that's when I think the network and the producers ultimately say, well,

827
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 5: I don't know how much more we have here with

828
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 5: this person. I don't really think it's you know, and

829
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 5: Huger could still be providing incredible storyline for her seventies

830
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 5: for them, and they'll eat it all up if that's

831
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 5: what they're getting. As long as she stays connected with

832
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 5: her castmates, has real relationships with them, you know, is

833
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 5: comfortable filling with them, and there aren't like blood feuds

834
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 5: that's going on where nobody wants to fill with each other.

835
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 5: As long as that continues down the path, Karen will

836
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 5: stay fine, you know. And she's smart. She sees herself

837
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 5: as an onion who reveals things about herself every.

838
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 3: Single Oh I love her. Yeah, I love Karen.

839
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 5: But I don't necessarily think it's age, you know, because

840
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 5: it really just ultimately depends and they're always looking at

841
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 5: it as a makeup. It's like, what, you know, this

842
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 5: puzzle piece, Like what puzzle pieces go together? How can

843
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 5: we make up this cast to make them make sense

844
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 5: in the best possible way. I think that that's how

845
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 5: you stay relevant by having things about yourself that are

846
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 5: worthy of seeing and exploring. And even those two people say,

847
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 5: well they don't have any more storyline, they still provide

848
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 5: something by being active in the relationships or active in

849
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 5: the conversation or you know, storring the pot or whatever

850
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 5: it may be, that they still have value.

851
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 6: In the eyes of the network.

852
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 5: But ultimately, the network and the producers want long term

853
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 5: housewives because the fan base likes them. They stay connected

854
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 5: to them, like if they didn't, they would be replacing

855
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 5: them every season.

856
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 4: Well would you give in terms of just advice? Like

857
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 4: you've seen it, You've seen it in a way that

858
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 4: I don't think really anyone else has, right because I

859
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 4: don't think that many housewives have opened themselves up to

860
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 4: letting a writer into their lives. Like everybody seem to

861
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 4: seems to have embraced you. But what advice would you

862
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 4: give to someone who was on the show and now

863
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 4: is not Like, what would you suggest that they do

864
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: to feel okay about it? Is there advice you could give?

865
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 6: No?

866
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 5: I think it's like any sort of loss right, you

867
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 5: need to be present in your emotions and recognize that

868
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 5: there's there's no right way there's no shoulds. I really

869
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 5: believe in living a shouldless life and sort of getting.

870
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 6: That out of your head.

871
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 5: You know, we only learn how to deal with things

872
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 5: when you've experienced them before. Your first breakups, the heardest breakup,

873
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 5: and then the second and the third and the fourth

874
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 5: get a little easier, right, because you know what it's

875
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 5: like to go through that thing. It's the same sort

876
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 5: of thing. Right, you've never been on television and then

877
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 5: lost a job. This is the first time you're experiencing it,

878
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 5: So it's going to feel hard, and that's okay, Like

879
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 5: you have to allow yourself the space to feel angry.

880
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 5: I mean, there were days that I would speak to

881
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 5: I'll use Tamras example again. There were days that I

882
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 5: would speak to her where she was grateful that she

883
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 5: had been fired from the show, and then she was

884
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 5: pissed off that she'd been fired for the show, and

885
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 5: then she's jealous. Sometimes within the same day, those emotions

886
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 5: would arise. Yeah, I would just keep saying to her,

887
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 5: it's okay that you feel those ways. Congratulations, you don't

888
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 5: have to there's no should here. I'm not telling you

889
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 5: should feel any other way. Feel the way that you

890
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 5: feel and let those things build themselves.

891
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: And then what then what do you do?

892
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 5: And then you do what you think is important to you,

893
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 5: if it's important to you, where you feel as though,

894
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,479
Speaker 5: you know, I got a lot of gratification over being

895
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 5: a spokesperson for whatever it may be. You know, I

896
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 5: love that I had this platform where I could talk

897
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 5: about you know, divorce or eating disorders or whatever it

898
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 5: may be. Right, use that to your advantage and find

899
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 5: places that you can still maintain those sorts of things.

900
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 5: If you just want to be famous, to be famous,

901
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 5: that's a lot harder, right, because like that's that will

902
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 5: never you will never really scratch that itch. No matter

903
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 5: how many shows you end up on or how many

904
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 5: whatever magazines, billboards, whatever, that will never be enough if

905
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 5: that's all you're chasing. But if you're trying to find

906
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 5: something like that actually satisfies you, then I think that

907
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 5: you can find other places to do that.

908
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 6: I love you that.

909
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 4: I like going over this, like in therapy before is

910
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 4: took like, what are your intentions? If the intent is

911
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 4: she said, I'm telling you she said exactly what he

912
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 4: just said. If the intention is just to be famous,

913
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 4: she said it way more eloquently than I'm about to.

914
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 4: But like basically she was saying, you're screwed. Like, if

915
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 4: that's what you're going into this four is just the fame,

916
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 4: it's your You're in trouble. If there's if there's something else,

917
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 4: What is it that you're looking for?

918
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: What is it that you're feeding?

919
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 4: Right? Like for me, I said to her, I always

920
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 4: wanted to kind of be on stage. I was as

921
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 4: a kido as an actress, terrible at it, but I

922
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 4: like the idea of making people laugh. That just always

923
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 4: not to be a stand up comedian, but I just

924
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 4: I like being the center of attention of making people

925
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 4: and being goofy, you know, that sort of like always

926
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 4: turned me on. So like if that's part of the intention,

927
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 4: here where else could I do that? I don't know,

928
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 4: you know, like if the intention is just the fame,

929
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 4: it's not going to go well for you.

930
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking about the fact that, like Jen

931
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: was thinking that the longer you've been on.

932
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: The show, the harder it would be for you.

933
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: But I was saying that after my like second season,

934
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: I was like, give me more, give me more, you know,

935
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: and like I think it would have been harder for

936
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: me at that stage because now I've experienced a lot

937
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: of the ups and downs, and I feel like I've

938
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: had it for a long time, and like, I don't

939
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: think i'd be as devastated now as I would have

940
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: been right when it was really heating up, when it

941
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: was my whole life.

942
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I get that.

943
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 5: Listen, there's a feeling of there's so much more I

944
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 5: wanted to do this, like this loss of possibility, right

945
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 5: is what you're warning when that happens, And yeah, that's

946
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 5: that's equally difficult. There's there's no right or wrong. I

947
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 5: don't think it would be better or worse in any way.

948
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 5: And the truth is, Jackie, like you may say that

949
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 5: right now, but if it happened to you and you

950
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 5: felt bad, that's also as I'm saying, and that's okay.

951
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody once made a comment and we're not looking

952
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: for specific names, but that nobody quits the housewives, like

953
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: what very rare exception.

954
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: Everybody gets fired? Is that true? Or do a fair

955
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: number of people quit?

956
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 6: I don't think that's true.

957
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 5: I think that many people do quit in ways that

958
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 5: we don't necessarily see as quitting. Putting down a boundary

959
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 5: and saying, you know, I want to be paid this

960
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 5: much or I want to be this status, and then

961
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 5: whether they offered a status that's less than that, saying

962
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 5: no thanks that is still like walking away on their terms.

963
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: I'm happy to know that a lot of people have

964
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 3: done it.

965
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 5: Now that being said, there have been you know, we

966
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 5: so view like firing as like a consequence thing, like

967
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 5: you've done something wrong, you're fired. That's not really how

968
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 5: the network sees it or how the production company sees

969
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 5: it. It's more as like, do we want to move forward with,

970
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 5: like what you have to offer, what your storyline is,

971
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 5: what's available right now. It's not as personal as like

972
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 5: or as black and white, I guess I would say,

973
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 5: as like a good or a bad. But there have

974
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 5: been plenty of times when they've said like, we don't

975
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 5: necessarily know if this is right for you, and the

976
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 5: person responding has been like, you're right, I don't want

977
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 5: to come back either, like this is right for.

978
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 6: Both of us. Does that mean they were fired? Yeah?

979
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 6: I know.

980
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 5: I contam like six people who've had that experience that

981
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 5: they've been fired. I don't know if they've been like yes,

982
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 5: I guess they were asked not to return, but they

983
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 5: were also saying, I don't really want to be a

984
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 5: part of this.

985
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't. I don't think I would consider that

986
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: a firing.

987
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 5: But I think that the person who says that, who

988
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 5: has been saying that I'd been vocal about saying like

989
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 5: no one's ever been fired before, that for them is

990
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 5: like a point of pride, as if like, I'm better

991
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 5: than everybody because I had the gumption to walk away.

992
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 5: I don't think that you can.

993
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: I know what you're just saying about.

994
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 6: You're not better.

995
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 5: You're not better than somebody who stayed until they were

996
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 5: let go, because the truth is, you know, you didn't

997
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 5: really conquer anything.

998
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 6: Like we all are still in this pot. We're all.

999
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 5: I have not met a single housewife who after Housewives

1000
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 5: has been able to escape the name housewife. Regardless of

1001
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 5: whether you're doing incredible things, it's still a part of

1002
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 5: who you are, right, you know, Lisa Renna is doing

1003
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 5: awesome things, but people are still going to be like, oh,

1004
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 5: from the Housewives, Like, yeah, still sticks with you.

1005
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: I know, Lookay Kelly Bensimon, she was like the most

1006
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: successful broker.

1007
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah she's know that huge.

1008
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: Real estate broker, But like still when she's described in

1009
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: page six, it's you know, ex housewife.

1010
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, another housewife told me this one day,

1011
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 5: which I thought was really interesting. She said, you know,

1012
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 5: it's been sixteen years since I've been on the show,

1013
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 5: and everybody still brings this up. You know, you mentioned

1014
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 5: Kelly Bensimone. People will always go up to Kelly Bensimone like,

1015
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 5: oh my god, it's scary island.

1016
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: Right.

1017
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 5: She will live with that for the rest of her life.

1018
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 5: So there's a part of that too, right, It's like

1019
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 5: you're stuck with this thing that's who you are. We

1020
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 5: haven't really had many years, you know, when you think

1021
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 5: about reality TV sort of became what it looked like

1022
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 5: to us to understand today pretty much from the year

1023
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 5: two thousand on. The Real World had existed in nineteen

1024
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 5: ninety two, but it was developed and pushed into the

1025
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 5: cultural zeigeist with Survivor and then such. So what twenty

1026
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 5: four years, twenty five years of really understanding about what

1027
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 5: reality TV does to people, what the psyche is. I

1028
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 5: don't think we have enough data to truly understand what

1029
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 5: it's like to be far enough away from it to

1030
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 5: see the long term effects that it actually has on you.

1031
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 3: Do you think they'll be talking about that one day?

1032
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 3: And yeah, and mayb.

1033
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 4: People are writing thesis about it now. I mean probably

1034
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 4: if they're smart. I think it's fascinating and I think

1035
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 4: it's frustating about also, and I want your opinion on

1036
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 4: this too, But like the viewers, how has our culture changed?

1037
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 4: And obviously social media has played a part of that,

1038
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 4: But how's reality TV played a part in changing of

1039
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 4: our culture in the way people treat each other?

1040
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 6: And Oh, it's shifted.

1041
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 5: And that's why I think you actually see when you're

1042
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 5: talking about this idea of how people react to it,

1043
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 5: that's what you're seeing two different reactions. Like the women

1044
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 5: who started the franchise, the Vicky Gumbelson's of the World,

1045
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 5: for example, really struggle with being off the show and

1046
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 5: the show existing without them because they're like, well, I

1047
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 5: made that. I was I just existed and I made that,

1048
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 5: and now who are you all people coming in and

1049
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 5: pretending like you're doing this thing that I created? Right?

1050
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 5: But the show has evolved. When both of you joined

1051
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 5: the show, it existed before Jackie. You knew what the

1052
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 5: show was, you knew the players, you paid attention, right,

1053
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 5: So like you were aware, Jennifer, of who these characters.

1054
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 5: You saw it through your friend, you understood the tenor

1055
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 5: of it. And a lot of people come in with

1056
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 5: that with an awareness in many ways of how I

1057
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 5: want to present myself, how I want to act, what

1058
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 5: my sort of what this could do for my business.

1059
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 5: That doesn't mean that that actually happens, but they are

1060
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 5: self producing in their head of like, Okay, I want

1061
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 5: to appear this way, and that's exactly how they would

1062
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 5: be off camera, right, like they would walk.

1063
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 6: Into a.

1064
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 5: Party and still act that same way, like I want

1065
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 5: to present myself this way. There are people who are

1066
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 5: conscious of how they are viewed. There's something wrong with that.

1067
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 5: I grew up in a household where there were two households, right,

1068
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 5: the one that everyone looked at from the outside in

1069
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 5: and the one that I lived in were very different households,

1070
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 5: and people live like that all the time. But the

1071
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,959
Speaker 5: difference is now we sort of see what the show

1072
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 5: can do with the tenor can be and like it's

1073
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 5: hard to get back to that. Those Vickis, those Niemis,

1074
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 5: those Jills, those early season sort of people who are

1075
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 5: just living and figuring it out because it doesn't really

1076
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 5: work that way anymore, and as viewers, we therefore view

1077
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 5: you through the lens of what I know, Oh, she's

1078
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 5: doing this for a storyline, right, How many people say

1079
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 5: that to you where you've heard it that other people.

1080
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 6: Say, yeah, and that.

1081
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: That really is camera times. She's doing it for camera times.

1082
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 5: You're not doing it. You're not doing it for that.

1083
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 5: You're living and existing. But you are being hit with

1084
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 5: that because that's what the viewers have come to expect

1085
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 5: over the years.

1086
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 6: It's really hard. It's so hard.

1087
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: And what the trajectory with all of the streaming services

1088
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: now where there's just like constant new shows being turned out.

1089
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: I feel like on our network like they use the

1090
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 1: in house people like as long as you don't burn

1091
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: a bridge and sue them, like you're always kind of

1092
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: just like in the mix, you know.

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00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1094
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 5: I mean that's the thing that I think that I

1095
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 5: have come to really love about Bravos so much, And

1096
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 5: what really attracted me as a viewer is that it

1097
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 5: felt like there was a universe almost of characters who

1098
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 5: were sort of appearing in various places, even if you

1099
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 5: consider Watch What Happens Live one of those places, like

1100
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 5: it felt like this family of people. And I think

1101
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 5: that's how Bravo viewers feel about the show and sort

1102
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 5: of feel about the network. And that's why we watch

1103
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 5: so many of the shows on the network, you know,

1104
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 5: where most Bravo viewers don't just watch one show.

1105
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 6: We watch like ten.

1106
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 5: Shows, you know, like we're paying attention to Summerhouse and

1107
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 5: Housewives and Top Chef.

1108
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 6: And like we're watching it all.

1109
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 5: I don't know many other networks like that. I don't

1110
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 5: think people watch everything on HBO. I don't think they

1111
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 5: want Maybe HGTV, they'll watch everything, but like it's very different,

1112
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 5: and EAHGTV.

1113
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 6: Is the other network I can say it's similar to

1114
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 6: Bravo in the sense that they that.

1115
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: I love house Hunters so much.

1116
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: Evan and I play it like a game show. We

1117
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: like get to choose and then somebody it's the win.

1118
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: We used to keep track of.

1119
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 3: The winning and losing.

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00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 4: Oh that's fine, But I think also that's probably why

1121
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 4: that this is why the viewers become so incensed, because

1122
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 4: you're not just fighting with someone, you're fighting with their

1123
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 4: best friend. Like and you know what I mean, Like

1124
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 4: you're attached to someone you've been in your mind And

1125
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 4: I've said this about myself, Like, you know, I've been

1126
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 4: friends with Melissa Gorga for years. She just didn't know me, Like,

1127
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 4: you know, we've been hanging out for the past fourteen years.

1128
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 4: So if you're going to and I'm not just saying

1129
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 4: I just use the name Melissa, but it could have

1130
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 4: been any of the women that you know been.

1131
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 2: On the show.

1132
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 4: And now you know you're watching somebody hurt your friend

1133
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 4: or hurt this person that you've like been thinking about

1134
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 4: that you sometimes wake up thinking about thinking about their kid,

1135
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 4: are you thinking about their life or and it becomes

1136
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 4: it's such a weird dynamic.

1137
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1138
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 5: I remember when I when I interviewed Jen for the book,

1139
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 5: when I interviewed Carol Raswell, she told me this that

1140
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 5: totally unlocked it for me. She was, like, every argument

1141
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 5: you see on the show is about the show. They

1142
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 5: just aren't telling you it's about the show. But your

1143
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 5: piss that I didn't invite you to a party is

1144
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 5: because I want to get that camera time and I

1145
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 5: don't want you to be not talking.

1146
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 6: To me like that.

1147
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 5: That's a part of it, right, or like I'm upset

1148
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 5: at you for what you said to me because I

1149
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 5: know how it's going to play in the in the universe.

1150
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 5: I know that I'm going to have to deal with

1151
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 5: this accusation, this lie that you said about me, for

1152
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 5: the rest of my life, and like that is a

1153
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 5: big part of it as well, that we don't really understand.

1154
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 3: What do you think is going to happen with our show?

1155
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: When do you think we'll hear anything? Again? We know nothing.

1156
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 3: Nobody has any insider Yeah.

1157
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 5: I'll just say I have no insider info either, But

1158
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 5: the only thing that I can look to is experience.

1159
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 5: I don't think the network is going to do anything

1160
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 5: different than they've done in the past. So what have

1161
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 5: they done in the past? The Real Houses in New

1162
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 5: York City was a full reboot. The Real Housewives of

1163
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 5: Atlanta was sort of a mixed reboot, right They say,

1164
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 5: we brought in new people and use some of the

1165
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 5: characters that we had on the chess board. I think

1166
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 5: if I was a betting man, I would imagine that

1167
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 5: producers right now are casting a lot of different women,

1168
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 5: meeting with them trying to figure out what it could be,

1169
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 5: and then once they have a good list of ten

1170
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 5: or twelve whatever potentials, they may then start figuring out

1171
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 5: how to arrange the pieces on the board. Do we

1172
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 5: do a full reboot or do we do a half

1173
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 5: and half? And if we do a half and a half,

1174
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 5: who stays, who goes? What sort of relationships are there

1175
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 5: that exist? And they'll probably make that decision from there on.

1176
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 5: The Real House Was of New York City reboot was

1177
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 5: a success in a lot of people's eyes because it

1178
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 5: felt like a real group of friends and there's a

1179
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 5: lot of dynamics there, but the ratings haven't been as

1180
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 5: high as the Real Housewolves in New York City originally was.

1181
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 5: So to take a risk on sort of starting fresh

1182
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 5: is very very hard and it well, now we'll see

1183
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 5: with Atlanta because it's the first one that's kind of

1184
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 5: done this.

1185
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 6: How does that work?

1186
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 5: I mean you could say Miami sort of did it

1187
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 5: as well, but that was like had been off the

1188
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 5: air for so long. So those are I think the

1189
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 5: two obvious options. And it seemed when I look at

1190
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 5: the timeline, about six to eight months before the network

1191
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 5: announced any decisions on either of those casts, So I

1192
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 5: think that's what it is. I don't think they want

1193
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 5: to think about it at all right now. I think

1194
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 5: they want everyone to shut up, and I don't mean

1195
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 5: you guys, I mean.

1196
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 2: The fans I have.

1197
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 3: I haven't been given an interview in months.

1198
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: Like I said, no to everything, I just I don't

1199
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: want to talk negatively about anyone on this cast.

1200
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 3: I don't want to say anything. I have not said

1201
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: a word. Other peop have said a lot of words

1202
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 3: about me.

1203
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 5: But I've noticed that too, Jackie. But I think they

1204
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 5: just want everyone to be quiet right now, to quiet

1205
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 5: the noise so that they can make decisions with like

1206
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 5: a fresh sort of unbiased mindset. And they can't do

1207
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 5: that right now when everyone's yap, yap, yappen right. So,

1208
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 5: and I am talking about the fans in this case

1209
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 5: because that is a big part of it. The fans

1210
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 5: demanding certain people leave or go is not really healthy

1211
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 5: fort to that some of it. Yes, they do surveys,

1212
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 5: they pay attention to sort of who has popularity, but

1213
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 5: ultimately they've fired a lot of people who people really loved,

1214
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 5: and they've gotten a lot of flak for that. They

1215
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 5: fired Pedra after season nine of Atlanta, and the fans

1216
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 5: were really upset that they didn't get to see a

1217
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 5: redemption arc from her, and that's why the in moving forward,

1218
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 5: they tried to stick with people even after they had

1219
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 5: had bad seasons, to see if there was opportunities for

1220
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 5: groups to shift and change. There's no sort of there's

1221
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 5: no black and white with it. It really is great.

1222
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 5: They're really like figuring it out as they go.

1223
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 4: I have a question because you watched The Housewife, these careers,

1224
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 4: these women that have really gone through it, and then

1225
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 4: they went, would you a woman you love? Your best

1226
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 4: friend says they want me on. I'm just curious and

1227
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 4: you have to You can't just say, listen, do what's

1228
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 4: good for you? Like, what do you think someone you love?

1229
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 5: Oh God, it's so funny that you asked that question,

1230
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 5: because I think that if you called up Nina Ali

1231
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 5: from the Real house So I said, Dubai, who I

1232
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 5: knew before she became a housewife, she will tell you

1233
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 5: the story about how I told her don't do it.

1234
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 4: Really no, because most of the people that I love

1235
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 4: said don't do it, and they are not you. They

1236
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 4: don't have the insight and they haven't been you know,

1237
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 4: they don't have all the information like you do.

1238
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 5: I just, ultimately, and I said it to her in

1239
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 5: the sense of, like, here's all the things that you

1240
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 5: need to be aware of and don't do it. If

1241
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 5: you're not going to be able to do this right,

1242
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 5: don't do it. If you're not going to be strong

1243
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 5: enough deep down to love yourself no matter what anyone says,

1244
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 5: I couldn't do it. If you say this all the time,

1245
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 5: if you threw a glass of wine in my face,

1246
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 5: I would apologize to you. I would say, I'm so

1247
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 5: sorry I made you do that. I do not love

1248
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 5: myself that much. I do not have that strong sense

1249
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 5: of who I am enough.

1250
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 2: How is that possible? I know, serious everybody you enough

1251
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: a lot.

1252
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 5: Of abandonment issues, but people who I thought loved me

1253
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 5: who didn't. And when you don't have that unconditional love

1254
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 5: you know, rue says all the time, RuPaul, if you

1255
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 5: can't love yourself, how can you expect anyone else to?

1256
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 5: I struggle with that a lot, and I would not

1257
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 5: want to be on this show because I would really

1258
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 5: struggle with what people say. I mean, I don't have

1259
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 5: social media at all right now, I've deleted everything.

1260
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 3: How does that feel it feels?

1261
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 2: Do you feel disconnected?

1262
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 6: Yes? But also okay with that?

1263
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 5: Like I got rid of it because I went through

1264
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 5: a really difficult breakup, and I didn't want to be

1265
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 5: able to see what that person was doing, or have

1266
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 5: that person see what I was doing, and feel as

1267
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 5: though I was posting things for someone else or for

1268
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 5: anyone else, like to, you know, to show myself as

1269
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 5: either healthy or unhappy or whatever it may be. I

1270
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 5: just didn't want to feel that pressure of being in

1271
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 5: that environment.

1272
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 6: And without it, I feel really relieved.

1273
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 5: But I also feel like I'm missing out on things.

1274
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 5: I feel like there's a whole life that I don't know.

1275
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 5: It's funny. I saw Canda's Dillard. I went to her

1276
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 5: baby shower on Saturday. Oh oh, she looks so beautiful.

1277
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 6: I went down to d C.

1278
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 5: She looks absolutely gorgeous. It's so kind of her to

1279
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 5: invite me, and we've built a good friendship over the years,

1280
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 5: and I was like, I'm so so happy for you,

1281
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 5: and I'm like, how's the baby. She's like, oh, he's

1282
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 5: killing me. I go, oh my god, it's a boy.

1283
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 5: She's like, oh yeah, she was like I announced that

1284
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 5: weeks ago. Well I didn't know because I had I'm

1285
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 5: not on social media. It didn't exist.

1286
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 6: Until she told it to me with her own voice.

1287
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, right, yeah, but like the real life connections.

1288
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you went off for a little bit the

1289
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties again, Yeah, I went off for a few

1290
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: weeks just because I knew that I wouldn't deal so

1291
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: well with all of the bad stuff. You know, But

1292
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's all, it all just exists in your little.

1293
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 4: Box, saying I don't know if you guys feel like this,

1294
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 4: but like, there are certain things that people can say

1295
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 4: about me on social media and it doesn't bother me

1296
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 4: at all. And usually that's around my physicality, Like I

1297
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 4: don't you think I look like a man? I think

1298
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 4: that's funny. I don't have I don't get like thrown

1299
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 4: by that. And it's not because I think that I

1300
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 4: have plenty of insecurity about the way that I look.

1301
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 4: But for some reason, that kind of stuff doesn't hit me.

1302
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 4: It's other stuff. It's the she's fake, Yeah, she's you know, uh,

1303
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 4: because that's who you are, like me like that. Yeah,

1304
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 4: the silly stuff doesn't really get to me. It's just

1305
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 4: it's it's the really the stuff that goes after my

1306
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 4: character that really like bugs me.

1307
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 6: And look, I'm not on TV.

1308
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 5: But when people have said that about me, when people

1309
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 5: have said things about me that I think we're against

1310
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 5: what my character is and questioned my integrity and made

1311
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 5: assumptions about things that I've done, And that's.

1312
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 6: Really been hurtful to me because at the end of

1313
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 6: the day, that's not who I am, like.

1314
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 5: I care so deeply about being able to put my

1315
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 5: head down at the end of the night knowing I

1316
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 5: haven't hurt anybody.

1317
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: Well, I think that I think Vegas needs to start

1318
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: taking odds on who's going to come who's going to

1319
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: come back, because.

1320
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 3: It is a hot topic.

1321
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to keep you any mind, but no,

1322
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: I want to keep you forever.

1323
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 4: But so maybe we need a part too. I was

1324
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 4: about to say that about what happens next. I just

1325
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 4: think it's so all of this is so fascinating.

1326
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: What is it going to say? No, No, guys, once

1327
00:59:59,280 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 2: was enough.

1328
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 5: I care deeply about both of you. I'd be happy

1329
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 5: to be here anytime. I'm honored that you asked. And honestly,

1330
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 5: what I hope that fans get when they sort of

1331
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 5: see these things is that these are real people. You

1332
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 5: are actually real, You're not a character, You're not scripted,

1333
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 5: no one's told you what to say, You're produced don't

1334
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 5: get me wrong. You know, like they've put you in

1335
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 5: situations that you normally wouldn't be in, but there hasn't

1336
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 5: really been a care for how you solve those. You know,

1337
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 5: when all of the things happened to both of you

1338
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 5: this season that happened, did anyone call you up afterwards

1339
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 5: and say, how are you doing?

1340
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 6: What can I help you with?

1341
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 5: No? I mean that's not really there for you. And

1342
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 5: that's so hard to have to just go through it

1343
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 5: without really having anyone taken care of your mental health.

1344
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 5: If anybody was going to be a housewife, I would

1345
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 5: say get a good therapist right from the get go.

1346
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 5: Hire a social media manager who is fully in charge

1347
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 5: of all of your social media so you never even

1348
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 5: have to look at it once. And I know people

1349
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 5: who are always like my makeup artist showed this to me,

1350
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:03,479
Speaker 5: but I.

1351
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 6: Never check it. No, you check it.

1352
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 5: You're all looking because you're obsessed. And I get it,

1353
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 5: But you really have to protect yourself from these things. Yeah,

1354
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 5: and remember the people who are in your life who

1355
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 5: actually want who care about you and don't want something

1356
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 5: from you, who aren't looking for anything from you, They're

1357
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 5: just here to give to you with whatever they may

1358
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 5: be able to offer you because.

1359
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 6: A lot of people pop around you.

1360
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 5: And they just they want what can I get from you?

1361
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 3: And I love that and I love you.

1362
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 2: Do you ever want to be a therapist?

1363
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? I could see that on you as a side joy.

1364
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 5: Uh No, I've never wanted to do that because I'm I.

1365
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 5: I think I would really, I think he is.

1366
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 4: He is the go to for I think you'd be

1367
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 4: like the best sponsor ever. Like if I was an AA,

1368
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 4: I would not let you get out that door.

1369
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 5: That's really what I need to do. I forget being

1370
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 5: a therapist. I need to build like a housewives and

1371
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 5: not miss. Yes, that's a build.

1372
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: We can all sit around a room and like tell

1373
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: our stories my god like circle of trust.

1374
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 6: Right, that's what?

1375
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 4: And when is the way you need to do is

1376
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 4: write another book? Oh yeah, we're waiting time, poor.

1377
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 5: Suffering agent who is always like, when is that proposal

1378
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 5: coming up?

1379
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 3: I'm not fair, it's not nice.

1380
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: It's enough.

1381
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 5: Now?

1382
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,439
Speaker 3: How many times can we read Diamonds and Jose Dave?

1383
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 3: We love you.

1384
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 5: I love you both too, and honestly, no matter what happens,

1385
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 5: you both matter. I just want to let you know

1386
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 5: that I know that's so silly and stupid to hear.

1387
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 3: No, it's not.

1388
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 4: It's not as you're saying. I'm like, Jackie, I hope

1389
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 4: you're taking that in. I'm taking that in no seriously

1390
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 4: because it's like, it's not just words. It actually you're

1391
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 4: saying something important because it's because the show makes you

1392
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 4: think that you can. It's very tricky, like you don't

1393
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 4: matter because you're on this show, and you don't matter

1394
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 4: because of all of a sudden you're famous.

1395
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 2: You just matter period.

1396
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 5: The things that you have given people are powerful. We

1397
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 5: all look at the show and quote the silly fights

1398
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 5: and you know, the outrageous moments. But the truth is

1399
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 5: the majority of people feel connected to reality and reality

1400
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 5: stars because they see something in them that they've never

1401
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 5: been able to do. Do you know women understood how

1402
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 5: they could get through a divorce from watching Housewives go

1403
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 5: through it? How many women understood how they could get

1404
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 5: through domestic abuse after watching Taylor Armstrong talk about it

1405
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 5: and the River Housewives of Beverly Hills, or an eating

1406
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 5: disorder after watching someone like Jackie Goldschneider talk about it

1407
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 5: so passionately and publicly and show the good and the

1408
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 5: bad and the ugly around it. These things are the

1409
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 5: things that matter. Representation matters, so and I can tell

1410
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 5: you that as a gay man who grew up at

1411
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,439
Speaker 5: a time where I thought everyone was dying of AIDS,

1412
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 5: I thought that was my future. I was going to

1413
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 5: die of AIDS. And then reality TV showed gay people

1414
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 5: and over the course of twenty years, it's shifted the

1415
01:03:55,960 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 5: entire cultural conversation around homosexuality. It's the same thing were

1416
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 5: mattering to people, not through your silliness, but through your

1417
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 5: examples of who you are. You walking out of that room, Jen,

1418
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 5: saying I can't be in here is something that other

1419
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 5: women are watching and saying, oh my god, I can

1420
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 5: remove myself from situations. And it's I mean, you're saying

1421
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 5: to yourself, why would they think that? That's ridiculous? But

1422
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 5: it's true.

1423
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 4: You know how many people have said out Dave, that's

1424
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 4: so funny because I had mixed reviews on it, But

1425
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 4: so much of what you just described of women saying

1426
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 4: to me, I don't Jenn, I felt so good about

1427
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 4: you walking out of that room.

1428
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1429
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 4: I didn't think it through in that moment. I mean,

1430
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 4: I wasn't you know, it was just something that I

1431
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 4: needed to do for myself.

1432
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: But my walking out of the room was a meme,

1433
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: so we could end up walking out of the room conversation.

1434
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding.

1435
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 5: Well, remember yourself in that situation when you think about

1436
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 5: what's it?

1437
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 6: Could it be? Oh my god, this is going to

1438
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 6: be gone? What do I do?

1439
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 4: Right?

1440
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 5: If those thoughts come into your head, if you start

1441
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 5: talking down to yourself, remember that you actually had impacts

1442
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 5: in people's lives. That's the thing that matters the most.

1443
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 5: And you can still find ways to make impacts in

1444
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 5: their lives. You just don't have to do it while

1445
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 5: also calling someone a bitch or horror flipping or whatever.

1446
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: And on that note, love you so much, Thank you

1447
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: so much, seriously.

1448
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 4: Love you so much. It has I mean, I feel

1449
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 4: like there's so we're going to do a part two.

1450
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 4: There's going to be a doesn't even have to be

1451
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 4: about leaving. It could be staying, it could be going,

1452
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 4: it could be whatever.

1453
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 5: It is.

1454
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 2: Just you are, you are a master.

1455
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 6: Yes, it's very kind.

1456
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 2: I'm here and we love you.

1457
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

1458
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 5: Congratulations on the continued sex of the second Let me

1459
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 5: try that again.

1460
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 4: We don't have sex yet, but who knows if we're

1461
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 4: out of a job, we may want to make people watch.

1462
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 5: Congratulations on the continued success of the show.

1463
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 2: I'm so hapd to you.

1464
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 4: Thank you, yes, okay, love you you, Thank you so much.

1465
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 2: Bye.

1466
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 3: I could talk to Dave all day, and not just

1467
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 3: about housewives.

1468
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 4: You could tell that he's just you know, a lot

1469
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 4: of people also that I think, I feel like we're

1470
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 4: in a program or in a twelve step program. There

1471
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 4: just they just have more insight than the rest of us.

1472
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 4: I used to be and I used to go to

1473
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 4: overreaders anonymous for years in my twenties when I was,

1474
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 4: you know, battling blameia, and sometimes I talk to someone

1475
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 4: like Dave and like, I miss it, I missed the meetings.

1476
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, to be honest, recovery, you become a

1477
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: deeper thinker, like you start to think about all the

1478
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: things that make you special and why you thought that

1479
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 1: the thing you were abusing made you feel good, right,

1480
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, so you start to reckon with all of that,

1481
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: which I think will actually really help me if the

1482
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: show does end like that feeling of you know, when

1483
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: I first started the show, it really I was addicted

1484
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: to it because it made me feel special, and over

1485
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: the years, I've kind of realized the other things that

1486
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: make me feel special, So it's not just this anymore,

1487
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: which makes me feel like I would.

1488
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 2: Be Okay, hello, I love that.

1489
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 3: But Dave is so brilliant we do need a part two.

1490
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 2: He is just there's just something about that guy.

1491
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I always say this, there's a few things

1492
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: from the show that like, no matter what happens with it,

1493
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have recovered without Yeah, you

1494
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: could do it so publicly, and like my friendship with

1495
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: you is just something that, no matter what happens with

1496
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: the show, will always well, it's just so beautiful and

1497
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: like they're just going to be grateful for the things

1498
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: that came from it.

1499
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see what happens.

1500
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 4: Yes, all right, you guys, Like, Yeah, I feel like

1501
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 4: I wish I could hear from you guys more. I

1502
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 4: don't know Jack and our producers on I mean, had

1503
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 4: it like you guys, maybe on our even Instagram, our

1504
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 4: Instagram page, just like there's things you feel like you

1505
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 4: would want us to discuss. Yeah, looks like we're having

1506
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 4: some more episodes that we're getting. Uh, just a little

1507
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 4: sidebar here, but we did get renewed for another season.

1508
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 2: Season is that what.

1509
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 3: We call this a season? So I guess another year.

1510
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 4: So I don't know about what's happening uh for the

1511
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 4: Housewives of Jersey, but the Jersey Jays are going to

1512
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 4: see again next season.

1513
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

1514
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 4: And on that note, on that note, so yeah deep DMS,

1515
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 4: if you couldn't there's anything you guys think that we

1516
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 4: would talk about out that you'd be really interested in.

1517
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 3: Fabulous Yeah Instagram.

1518
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Speaker 2: Love you guys, Thank you so much. Bye guys,