WEBVTT - Ghosts Aren't Real

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, welcome back to the podcast. We have our producer

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<v Speaker 1>with us and man, so I'm back on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I show up, sometimes I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>And you are helpful either way. I did notice something

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<v Speaker 1>as you walked in. I didn't. I didn't mention it,

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<v Speaker 1>but you brought a banana?

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<v Speaker 2>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that those are like really scarce these days?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they? Apparently? I read an article this morning that

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<v Speaker 1>bananas are about to go away.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do I need a ration this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think you should cut it up and freeze

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<v Speaker 1>it and eat a little bit every day.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish i'd known that before before I brought it.

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<v Speaker 2>And what you just ate was very pricey.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this whole strike thing going on, evidently bananas are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be really hit by this. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw a lot of what would it be called

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<v Speaker 2>banana orchard, is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Okay, yeah, in Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's all a lot of those.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw when I've I've been traveling. I can't I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I can't say the country, but it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a Latin American country that is in desperate need of

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<v Speaker 1>economy boosting, and they have tons of bananas and they're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna do anything about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, I send them with the people that

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<v Speaker 3>are coming across the board. That's right, just some of them.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the time people hear this, this all this

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<v Speaker 3>might be resolved. Because we're a couple, we're recording a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of weeks ahead, so this might be over. This

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<v Speaker 3>might be over, or this might actually be like really relevant,

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<v Speaker 3>but that might still be in the freezer.

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<v Speaker 1>This might be the last banana on planet Earth. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time that people see this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a record last banana.

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<v Speaker 1>So what we do on this podcast is we answer

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<v Speaker 1>your questions. You email podcast at grangersmith dot com and

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<v Speaker 1>a man has collected your questions from that email, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to start today. Uh. This first one comes

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<v Speaker 1>from Denver, and it says, Hey, Grainger, this is Denver.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take a drive.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good reference because I usually say it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like you and I sitting in a cab of a

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<v Speaker 1>truck driving down the road. So here we are Denver.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, it's incredibly I'm incredibly encouraged by your weekly

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<v Speaker 1>podcast to hear your biblical viewpoint about all the different

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<v Speaker 1>questions as a born again follower. Of Christ. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>awesome to see you being used to help so many people.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your thoughts based on scripture about voting. It's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty clear to me that as an ambassadors of Christ,

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<v Speaker 1>given the great responsibility to take care of this land,

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<v Speaker 1>to prevent evil, and to care for this country that

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<v Speaker 1>were so graciously given to the best of my ability

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<v Speaker 1>by voting for a president that's not perfect, but policies

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<v Speaker 1>aligned closer to our values as Christians. And then you

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<v Speaker 1>added it works without this, but was part of the

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<v Speaker 1>email rather than a candidate that is advocating murdering babies

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<v Speaker 1>at nine months pregnant. You put that so that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't read that because it's controversial.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the part that it works with or without that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the conversation sticks to I under should we

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<v Speaker 2>vote for the person who most aligns with our values

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<v Speaker 2>as Christians?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure it can in there, and then it says some

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<v Speaker 1>would be convicted that engaging in voting is placing yourself

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<v Speaker 1>in this worldly kingdom instead of being solely part of

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<v Speaker 1>God's kingdom. If you get to this, thanks, I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to hear your thoughts. God bless you all right, Denver. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's great man, And I'm thinking that's a good question,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think a lot of people should be thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about this thing. And I think the basic question is

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<v Speaker 1>should I vote or not? Because if I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>be part of this world, would that would voting be bad?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it goes to kind of like when

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<v Speaker 1>the Pharisees tried to trap Jesus into should we pay

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<v Speaker 1>taxes or not? You know, that's the first thing that

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<v Speaker 1>comes to my mind. There's a lot of examples. Jesus says,

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<v Speaker 1>give me a coin. You know whose inscription is on

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<v Speaker 1>this coin? They said Caesar's. He says, we'll give Caesar

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<v Speaker 1>what he's owed and give God what he's owed. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think if we said the same thing here, we're

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<v Speaker 1>living in Caesar's world. We're living in whatever country you're

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<v Speaker 1>listening from. You're living in that country, and you're under

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<v Speaker 1>the jurisdiction of that government. And to be a taxpayer,

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<v Speaker 1>a good law abiding citizen, which we should be as Christians,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to pay taxes. And if you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>pay taxes, then you have a say. And if you're

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<v Speaker 1>in a democracy, you have a say in the people

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<v Speaker 1>that determine where that tax dollar goes to that you

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<v Speaker 1>earned and then you gave because you're a law abiding citizen.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is just practical stuff. If you're living

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<v Speaker 1>as as a monk in the mountains in a mountain

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<v Speaker 1>cave in Utah and you know, and you you are

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<v Speaker 1>off the grid and you are against government and you

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<v Speaker 1>don't pay taxes, you might have an argument. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>really interested in that argument, but you might have an argument.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not who you are, Denver, and that's not

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<v Speaker 1>who I am or am in And so I think

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<v Speaker 1>the short answer is, yeah, you should vote.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely one hundred percent believe you should vote. And what

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<v Speaker 2>really brought me to this email One was the intro

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<v Speaker 2>let's take a drive, but the other part was about

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<v Speaker 2>voting for policies. We are really consumed right now by

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<v Speaker 2>either Orange Man Bad or Cackle Lady. You know, those

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<v Speaker 2>are the acronyms given to either person and who they are,

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<v Speaker 2>and what they did and what they said and how

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<v Speaker 2>they sneezed and whether they blew their nose. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>silly stuff. What are the actual policies that they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be enforcing or truly be behind? Once either one

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<v Speaker 2>of them are in office. I probably will never hang

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<v Speaker 2>out with Donald Trump or Kamala Harris ever and sit

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<v Speaker 2>down and have a conversation. I doubt that ever happens. However,

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<v Speaker 2>my influence can be on you said, your policies are this, Now,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you held accountable for it? Because that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I've voted for, and which one most aligns with our beliefs?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I would say, in your belief in general

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<v Speaker 2>for us as Christians, what most aligns with what the

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<v Speaker 2>Bible says? And how do we get closer? And neither

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<v Speaker 2>one of them are going to be word for word

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<v Speaker 2>out of out of the Bible. They're policies. We see

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<v Speaker 2>that right now. If we ever get to the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>about policies, as most of the time news will not

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<v Speaker 2>take you there. But if you dig in and find

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<v Speaker 2>out what they are, which one looks more like that

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<v Speaker 2>or feels more like this, sounds more like what the

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<v Speaker 2>Word of God says and vote your conscience in that direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally agree with everything you just said. I think

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<v Speaker 1>voting is a is a very beautiful thing and something

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<v Speaker 1>that is a privilege for many people that have that

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<v Speaker 1>it fought for that exact right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think this goes for Christians and non Christians too.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't vote, you really can't complain about what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>But especially if you are a Christian and you're worried

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<v Speaker 2>about where things are going and you do nothing, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say that's almost that right. There is unbiblical. Knowing

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<v Speaker 2>what is right and not doing what is right is unbiblical.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. We probably don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>get any deeper than that. Honestly, I'm going to give

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<v Speaker 1>the next one to you. Why don't you read the

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<v Speaker 1>next one? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>It says high Granger. I'm a young adult nineteen and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a Christian. I was wondering if you can explain

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<v Speaker 2>the Book of Revelation and Timeline all right here on

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast. Right when I read the Bible, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>always understand what it says. I always find myself worrying

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<v Speaker 2>about the future. Social media like TikTok plays a part

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<v Speaker 2>in that, because everyone seems to have an opinion instead

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<v Speaker 2>of getting the facts from the Bible. Some of the

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<v Speaker 2>questions that I have is which comes first, Jesus coming

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<v Speaker 2>back or the Mark of the Beast. Well, Christians still

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<v Speaker 2>be on earth, during the tribulation.

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<v Speaker 1>O Amity, that's your name, So Amity, Aman and I

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<v Speaker 1>we don't prepare. You can't see our table, but we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a bunch of notes in front of us.

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<v Speaker 1>So everything is a conversation, just like we were driving

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<v Speaker 1>on the road and you just drop this honest and

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<v Speaker 1>you say, hey, got a question about the Book of Revelation,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we're going to answer like you're a friend.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's what we're gonna do right now. And

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<v Speaker 1>this idea, it has come up several times in this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I've either either talked about it or just expressed my

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<v Speaker 1>views about eschatology, which is the study of end times.

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<v Speaker 1>And I believe there are other There are many places

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<v Speaker 1>in the Bible that talk about the end times. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what you're talking about more than just

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<v Speaker 1>the concept concept of the Book of You're talking about, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>how things going to end? And the great tribulation and

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<v Speaker 1>when it's Jesus coming back? Is there or is there

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<v Speaker 1>not a rapture? Those things are not only mentioned in Revelation,

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<v Speaker 1>but other places in the Bible as well. But I

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<v Speaker 1>need to before I go any further, I need to

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<v Speaker 1>say that no one knows exactly what that means any

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and so there is not a clear and

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<v Speaker 1>people could feel free to argue. Let me press pause

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<v Speaker 1>and say if you do want to argue or if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to disagree, Because this is a very hot topic.

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<v Speaker 1>On all of these questions, I've been encouraging lately the

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<v Speaker 1>last few episodes to go to the YouTube version of

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast that releases, So whatever platform you're listening on now,

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<v Speaker 1>after it's finished, go to YouTube and find this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>there and comment below your and then perhaps if there

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<v Speaker 1>are enough questions and thought provooking questions, a man can

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<v Speaker 1>get back on here with me and we'll go to

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<v Speaker 1>that video and take the second level of questions on

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<v Speaker 1>the first question. I think that's really encouraging. So back

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<v Speaker 1>to the subject at hand. No one knows, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is it is highly debated. Will Christians be on earth

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<v Speaker 1>during the tribulation? Will Jesus come back before the market

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<v Speaker 1>of the beast? There are people that believe, yes, there

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<v Speaker 1>are people that believe know, and each of those groups

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<v Speaker 1>of people will argue with the Bible. So there is

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<v Speaker 1>not a group that is saying I'm arguing without the Bible.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just arguing by intuition or what everyone will have

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<v Speaker 1>a they'll have biblical proof. And so to that, I say,

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<v Speaker 1>to each their own. Everyone has an opinion about eschatology,

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<v Speaker 1>but I believe with all of my heart it is

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<v Speaker 1>a distraction, all of it from the enemy. Agree And

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<v Speaker 1>this is the argument I like to make on this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>is that when we get too involved and we start

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<v Speaker 1>worrying about the Book of Revelation, which is the book

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<v Speaker 1>that John the Apostle. John wrote in his exile on

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<v Speaker 1>the island Patmos, and he's there and he has a

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<v Speaker 1>vision from God about things that would be to come

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<v Speaker 1>and also things that he needs to rebuke the current

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<v Speaker 1>churches with John, and he's in the presence of God

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<v Speaker 1>and he's he sees it's its apocalyptic language, is how

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<v Speaker 1>the Book of Revelation is written. We have to understand

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<v Speaker 1>in ancient writing, there's there are different styles of writing.

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<v Speaker 1>There's poetry, there's historical narrative, there are letters personal letters,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's apocalyptic language. That's what John is speaking with.

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<v Speaker 1>So what we could agree on is that as John

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<v Speaker 1>is writing these this apocalyptic vision, he's not trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be never was to be literal about what he's saying.

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<v Speaker 1>He's seeing a vision and so.

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<v Speaker 2>So many things that no one has ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when he talks about the dragon, for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>scholars will all agree he's not talking about a physical dragon.

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<v Speaker 1>This is this is his the way of writing in

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<v Speaker 1>the apocalyptic language of the dragon and the woman and

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<v Speaker 1>the beast, and he's using language of the enemy and Christ,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's he's he's making this comparison. This is uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is would be the difference in someone

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<v Speaker 1>taking a fundamentalist approach to the Bible and saying, what

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<v Speaker 1>every word that it says is exactly what it means,

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to someone saying, I believe that the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>is absolutely true in the inspired word of God, but

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't take word for word and say this is

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<v Speaker 1>what it means. Sometimes it's an impression of what It's

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<v Speaker 1>always true, it's always a word of God. But sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>it's an impression of what the author is trying to

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<v Speaker 1>say through his poetry or through his vision. Does that

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<v Speaker 1>make sense? There are many examples of this, and we

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<v Speaker 1>could go down that list. In fact, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to comment on YouTube, and we can go deeper on

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<v Speaker 1>what it means for something to say something in the

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<v Speaker 1>Bible that is true but might not be that word

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<v Speaker 1>like you think it means. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>A good way, too, is to think about describing something

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<v Speaker 2>to someone who's blind and has never seen before. In

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<v Speaker 2>this room, I wouldn't say, over here, on this wall

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<v Speaker 2>there's a guitar. I don't if you're blind, never have

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<v Speaker 2>seen you don't know what a guitar is. Okay, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a block of wood that's been hollowed out that has

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<v Speaker 2>strings stretched across. Okay, if you've never seen one and

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<v Speaker 2>you have someone explaining it to you, it's very elaborate,

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<v Speaker 2>very detailed, and expact, exasperated, you know, exaggerated. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of what he's doing there as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and things that no one's ever seen before. You've never

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<v Speaker 2>seen it. So I've got to tell you best time things.

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<v Speaker 1>God gave John a vision and he saw these things

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<v Speaker 1>and he wrote them down to us, and so he

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<v Speaker 1>let me go back to my point, though, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>the enemy uses these these kind of things in this

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<v Speaker 1>very conversation we're having as a distraction to distract us

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<v Speaker 1>from what the gospel really says and what Jesus came

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<v Speaker 1>to do. And all of the things that happened in

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<v Speaker 1>the end times are are irrelevant. Really, they're neat and

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<v Speaker 1>they're fun, and they should warn us that the end

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<v Speaker 1>is coming and that we should be ready. But that's Jesus' messages.

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<v Speaker 2>Be ready.

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<v Speaker 1>No one knows the end, what's going to happen, but

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<v Speaker 1>be ready. So so put your faith in trust in him.

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<v Speaker 1>That he has died for sin, that he was resurrected

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<v Speaker 1>by God, and he has been given the power to

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<v Speaker 1>forgive sinners like me and you, and through that forgiveness,

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<v Speaker 1>and as we repent from our sin and turn to

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<v Speaker 1>him and put our trust in him and have faith

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<v Speaker 1>in him, we will be saved. And whatever happens in

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<v Speaker 1>the end of time, we will be covered.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been in the time that we're recording this, there's

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<v Speaker 2>just been rockets being fired over Israel and defense going

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<v Speaker 2>up and stuff like that, and people are taking that

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to go see, look, the end is happening right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But listen. If it encourages you to share the Gospel

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<v Speaker 2>with others, great, But like you said, if it's a

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<v Speaker 2>distraction to like, well, what's going to happen, when's this

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<v Speaker 2>going to go, well, you're not thinking about telling others

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<v Speaker 2>about the gospel.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm triing about that.

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<v Speaker 2>You're worried about you, and that is a If you're

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<v Speaker 2>worried about you, there's a bigger issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for people. If you want to look up when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about there is pre millennial pre millennialism, there's

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<v Speaker 1>ah millennialism, and there's post millennialism, and you could look

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<v Speaker 1>these are groups that I believe that in different timeframes

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<v Speaker 1>of the end times. And it's it's interesting to think

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<v Speaker 1>too that in evangelical churches, they they will in their

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<v Speaker 1>statement of faith, your your church, my church, they will

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<v Speaker 1>say that we are okay with all of these different

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<v Speaker 1>views of the end times. There's there shouldn't be and

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<v Speaker 1>there isn't a good evangelical church that says, you must

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<v Speaker 1>believe in this interpretation of the end of times, but

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<v Speaker 1>you must be pre mill you must be a mail

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<v Speaker 1>you must be post mill. Instead, they say, hey, we

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<v Speaker 1>understand that this is a point of disagreement, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just not it's not something that should cause division at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, nobody knows, and I think it's a good it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a good topic. Amity and I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 1>asked it, and and we could go on for an

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<v Speaker 1>hour on our views of that. But just remember this

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<v Speaker 1>is apocalyptic language in the Book of Revelation, and Jesus's

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<v Speaker 1>message to all of it is be ready repent and

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<v Speaker 1>believe the next one. I like when you read Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to say, Granger, I've been listening to you for

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<v Speaker 2>about three months now. I've heard you say a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times that if you're going through a divorce, make

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<v Speaker 2>sure you do it with a group of believers. I

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<v Speaker 2>understand you there. What I'm wondering is Jesus says in

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible that you can't remarry except for adultery. I

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<v Speaker 2>believe abuse would also be a reason for divorce. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a born again Christian and have a friend that is

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<v Speaker 2>a believer and his wife is filing for divorce. When

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<v Speaker 2>he told me that, he's saying she has no biblical

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<v Speaker 2>reason for divorce. He hasn't done anything wrong. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>explain everything because it will take too long. But he

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<v Speaker 2>is a recovering alcoholic. He's never abused her physically or emotionally,

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<v Speaker 2>or cheated on her. I don't know really what to

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<v Speaker 2>tell him to be honest a kind of question if

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<v Speaker 2>he is maybe a cultural Christian. He's a friend that

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't talked to in around ten years, and we

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<v Speaker 2>just reconnected Friday night on the phone. We live about

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<v Speaker 2>five hours away from each other. He also he's also

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<v Speaker 2>He also keeps asking me if he can remarry. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what to really tell him. I just told

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<v Speaker 2>him I would be praying for them and he should

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<v Speaker 2>be talking to his pastor. Is there anything you could

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<v Speaker 2>tell me to tell him? Thanks? Love everything you do?

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<v Speaker 2>And that is Tim, Tim.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you, first of all, you have a really

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<v Speaker 1>good answer to him that you're going to be praying

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<v Speaker 1>for him, and then he should talk to his pastor.

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<v Speaker 1>Because whenever I say that, you're right, you've been listening

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<v Speaker 1>for three months and you say that I talk about

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<v Speaker 1>whenever I talk about divorce, that you should do it

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<v Speaker 1>with a group of believers. But furthermore, you should be

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<v Speaker 1>doing it with your pastors or elders in at your church,

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<v Speaker 1>not just random believers. That's good, it should be you

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<v Speaker 1>should talk with wise counsel, but you should be able

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<v Speaker 1>to sit down with the pastors at the church that

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<v Speaker 1>you trust and walk through in the reason I say

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<v Speaker 1>it that way is because these men have been equipped

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<v Speaker 1>to handle these situations to give you wise counsel, not

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<v Speaker 1>just your your next door neighbor who's also a Christian.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great, But the further step for your buddy is that,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, he should be talking with his pastor,

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<v Speaker 1>and preferably pastors, multiple pastors, not just one guy that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to give him one piece of advice. But it

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<v Speaker 1>should be done in a council. And I think you're

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<v Speaker 1>right on everything you said. There's there's there's there's only

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<v Speaker 1>so much you could do. Being five hours away calling

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<v Speaker 1>him out, you could say things. You could say things like, brother,

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<v Speaker 1>I would encourage you to really dig in to what

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<v Speaker 1>it to what is a biblical divorce and what is

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<v Speaker 1>an unbiblical divorce? And I want to encourage you to

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<v Speaker 1>dig in, uh to what it means to remarry after

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<v Speaker 1>an unbiblical divorce or to remarry after a biblical divorce.

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<v Speaker 1>And and maybe we could find some books this is

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<v Speaker 1>you talking to him, that we could read through together.

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<v Speaker 1>But before you do anything, I wouldn't make any big

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<v Speaker 1>decisions until you research these and you talk to your

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<v Speaker 1>pastor and tim the truth is most likely. Unfortunately, he's

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna do what he's gonna do. He is more

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<v Speaker 1>than likely you And.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very weird I mean, and I've spoke here

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<v Speaker 2>before that I've gone through a divorce and that period

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<v Speaker 2>of time, looking back on it now with hindsight twenty twenty, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Wanta did not have anyone It involved people at the church,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I did not have the church that I

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<v Speaker 2>went to have any support whatsoever. And looking back, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of decisions that I made that were

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<v Speaker 2>wrong because of there was nobody with a sane mind

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<v Speaker 2>and that wasn't thinking and making decisions emotionally helping guide me.

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<v Speaker 2>And looking back like, absolutely you have to have that,

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<v Speaker 2>not somebody who eyes into everything that you do. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you were, if you're deciding to well, one, get divorced,

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<v Speaker 2>move job things, there's a lot of emotions in all

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<v Speaker 2>of that, and then on top of that a divorce

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<v Speaker 2>that you're splitting your entire life apart. There's so many

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<v Speaker 2>things that you were going to do wrong. And I

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<v Speaker 2>only made it by the grace of God. His hand

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<v Speaker 2>was over me and had he had a plan sovereign

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<v Speaker 2>it's great, and then really living it and then having

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<v Speaker 2>that conversation and realizing that how true it is afterwards.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you if any advice is deliberate but loving,

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<v Speaker 2>and because everything is sensitive, the wrong meal at a

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<v Speaker 2>at a at a restaurant can set you off. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>something that messed up on your meal. Everything's on edge

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<v Speaker 2>all the way around you. The little things that you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even think were a problem become big, giant issues

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<v Speaker 2>in times like this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great, ay man, I think I think you're equipped

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<v Speaker 1>him to pray and tell them to see council from

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<v Speaker 1>have to recognize that we're moving towards the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the month of October, and if you're listening real time

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<v Speaker 1>and around this time, Halloween's coming up. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>time that we should be thinking, all of us Christians,

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<v Speaker 1>non Christians, we should be thinking about what does it

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<v Speaker 1>mean when we're celebrating spirits, ghosts and are and are

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<v Speaker 1>we buying into that? And how are we buying into that?

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<v Speaker 1>And so let's separate Halloween completely and just make it

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<v Speaker 1>universal for any month of the year and say what

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<v Speaker 1>does it mean? Because you and I had this conversation

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<v Speaker 1>just the other day about people and I get this

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, people saying that they've been contacted by

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<v Speaker 1>a dead relative, and it's it's what's interesting about it

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<v Speaker 1>is people that are not religious at all, that have

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<v Speaker 1>that have no God, will will easily want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this. This these things and get really excited about

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<v Speaker 1>it in fact, but kind of tell me a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit out of conversation. You don't have to say any names, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had a friend who was telling me that

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<v Speaker 2>they were they and they were almost excited about about this.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're a believer, but they they're almost excited about

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<v Speaker 2>this because it reminded them of someone who has passed away,

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<v Speaker 2>and that they were they had they had heard on

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<v Speaker 2>one of their cameras a familiar voice that said some

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<v Speaker 2>things of that was very familiar of a dead relative.

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<v Speaker 2>And as they're telling me, I my clearly my face

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<v Speaker 2>changed because they were like what And I said, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a demon. That's not the relative that they think it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course they're facing like are you serious, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's that's not I'm gonna go a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go to that text conversation you and.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, okay, it's it is not a good thing. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was voice, So I don't know if there

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<v Speaker 2>was a much text in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think I wrote because there was an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the first thing I thought was, Okay, how

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<v Speaker 2>do I navigate this? Because I don't know all the scriptures.

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<v Speaker 2>It was voice, yeah, right, and I think it is

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<v Speaker 2>and on both sides, I think it was like some

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<v Speaker 2>of our longest ones because of telling you the whole story.

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<v Speaker 2>But my first thought was like, I don't know, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is about this is I want to sidetrack for

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<v Speaker 2>a second about being prepared. You don't need to prepare,

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<v Speaker 2>like you can't be prepared for everything all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is why it's important to always have God's

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<v Speaker 2>word in your heart, because he will bring it up

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<v Speaker 2>now that I have these any conversation that I have again,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I know either where I've written him down,

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<v Speaker 2>how I've looked at them before, and I do now

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<v Speaker 2>I'll pull it up. I have my notes of a

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<v Speaker 2>conversation about this. What what does the Bible say about

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<v Speaker 2>being contacted or hearing voices or people who have passed on?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like that is not one, it's not your relative.

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<v Speaker 2>Two your relative is in one or two places, because

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<v Speaker 2>it says that when the Bible says in Hebrews that

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<v Speaker 2>just as each person is destined to die once and

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<v Speaker 2>after that comes judgment. Die judgment, not hang around and

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<v Speaker 2>talk on your webcams or whatever that's not included.

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<v Speaker 1>In lost souls that looking to reconcile something and they're

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<v Speaker 1>lunging out.

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<v Speaker 2>In between, but there's no in between, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's not like that movie sixth Sense, Yes exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like there's a couple more things you need

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<v Speaker 1>to accomplish as a ghost before you get to the afterlife,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they're kind of haunting trying to bring stuff together.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that movie Ghost as well. Yeah, yeah, you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to bring some kind of reconciliation together. Yeah, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>look at the Bible. I found the notes too from

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<v Speaker 1>that same conversation where you just mentioned Hebrews nine twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Ecclesiastes nine five and six says this, for the living

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<v Speaker 1>know that they will die, but the dead know nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>They have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.

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<v Speaker 1>Their love, their hate, and their jealousy of long since vanished,

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<v Speaker 1>and never again will they have any part of things

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<v Speaker 1>that happen under the sun. So dead people are their

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 1>bodies are dead. They're not coming back out as skeletons

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<v Speaker 1>and speaking tough baby monitors.

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<v Speaker 2>If you need that last part in any clear, NLT

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<v Speaker 2>says they no longer play a part in anything here

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<v Speaker 2>on earth. That doesn't get more clear.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so then let's look at Deuteronomy, which means the law.

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<v Speaker 1>The law again, let no one be found among you

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:38.160
<v Speaker 1>who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire. That's scary. Anyway,

0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:43.159
<v Speaker 1>who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 1>or cast spells, or who is a medium or a spiritist,

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 1>or who consults the dead. Anyone does these things is

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<v Speaker 1>detestable to the Lord. That's terrifying. And then kind of

0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 1>to your point Sawo Corinthians eleven fourteen, and no wonder

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<v Speaker 1>for Satan self, Paul writes masquerades as an angel of light.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I think about one. If things like this

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<v Speaker 2>happen to people, does it draw you to the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>to go, look, hey, I heard something on my Did

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<v Speaker 2>it go hey, I need to go see that. But

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.880
<v Speaker 2>or did it go, oh my gosh, my dead relative

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:22.200
<v Speaker 2>is talking to me. And your mind moves away from

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:25.439
<v Speaker 2>your relationship with Christ and into another part. That is

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's where the majority of it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's these ideas that all these religions kind of combining,

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<v Speaker 1>like reincarnation. Look, my mom's coming back in the form

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>of a cardinal sitting in the window, so speaking to me,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not your mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I mean you've also seen some of the

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 2>stuff that Amber is posted with butterflies that she is acknowledged.

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 2>I know that's not right, that's not River. Yes, but

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<v Speaker 2>it does remind me of him.

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<v Speaker 1>She calls it a godwink.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, There you go. That's completely different than

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm talking about. Yeah, like having conversations with somebody

0:28:57.560 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 2>who's not there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, God comforting as people versus a dead relative trying

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<v Speaker 1>to come and speak to you to tell you everything's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be okay. Even that people say all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>like speaking of the dead, they say they're looking down

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<v Speaker 1>smiling right now. They're not looking at you. They're looking

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 1>at Christ. That's what the Bible says. Christians that die

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>are looking at Christ. They're not looking down on you,

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 1>smiling and trying to comfort you. Are saying everything's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be okay. Or they're proud of you. People say

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<v Speaker 1>you're Grandeur. Your dad's in heaven right now, so proud

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>of you. I'm like, well, thanks, I know you're trying

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 1>to uplift me. But Dad doesn't have anything to do

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<v Speaker 1>with me right now. He's got better things to do.

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Praise God. One Timothy four to seven. The spirit clearly

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<v Speaker 1>says that in later times some will abandon the faith

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<v Speaker 1>and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. That's terrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Bible is very clear that if you're hearing

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<v Speaker 1>from a dead relative, is convincing as it might be.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul says that the devil masquerades as an angel of light,

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<v Speaker 1>it is only one of two things. If you're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>a spirit, it is only an angel or a demon,

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<v Speaker 1>And if it's pretending to be your dead relative, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not an angel.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and angels come to bring messages from God to you,

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<v Speaker 2>Mary Joseph on down the line. Yes, yeah, that's what

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:22.479
<v Speaker 2>they're here, that's what they can. And the first thing

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:25.720
<v Speaker 2>they say is fear or not. And whether this is

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<v Speaker 2>true or not. I love this explanation that there's not

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<v Speaker 2>an actual real translation from Hebrew or of that, and

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<v Speaker 2>that if it was literal, it would say, please stop screaming.

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<v Speaker 2>Then an angel comes in wakes you up, please stop screaming.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a message from God would be more accurate

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 2>I've heard.

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<v Speaker 1>But so to wrap up this idea, your dead relative

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 1>is not talking to you, and I could say that

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<v Speaker 1>with full conviction from the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't be playing with Wiji boards on Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>No, don't do that. Don't do that. All right? You

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<v Speaker 1>want to get to the Josh's question, Josh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, says hey Granger. I've recently started attending a discipleship

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 2>class at my Southern Baptist church. That's really cool. I

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<v Speaker 2>love that. Early on in the course about a month ago,

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<v Speaker 2>when we were discussing what it means to be a

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<v Speaker 2>disciple and our calls as Christians to go forth and

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<v Speaker 2>make new disciple new disciples, I was hit with a

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<v Speaker 2>very loud thought that I should go to seminary. At

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<v Speaker 2>the time, I tempered the thoughts a little bit, thinking

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<v Speaker 2>I might have just been getting caught up in the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I prayed that God give me some wisdom and direction

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<v Speaker 2>regarding it, and it's remained on my mind ever since.

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<v Speaker 2>Fast forward to this morning at church we had several

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<v Speaker 2>new deacons ordained. That thought rang through my head again

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<v Speaker 2>very strongly. I know that I want to do this,

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<v Speaker 2>and those closest to me, are very supportive, but I

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea how to pull it off. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure how I would afford it, how to balance it

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 2>with my current career, or what any part of the

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<v Speaker 2>process really looks like. If you have any advice or

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<v Speaker 2>know any resources I can check out, I greatly appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for doing what you do. Your show is a

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 2>great encouragement at the start of each week, praying for y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh, what a great email.

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<v Speaker 2>That is great. I love that you gave me a

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<v Speaker 2>book on not a deacon but an elder, And like,

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing that it says about you becoming an

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<v Speaker 2>elder in your church is that you will have a

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:27.840
<v Speaker 2>desire to become an elder in your church. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing I think of the miss Oh, you

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 2>already have a desire. Yeah, Step one is done.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder where he lives. Yeah, that's an interesting thought.

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<v Speaker 1>But he is Southern Baptist. Josh, you could join me

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 1>at Southern, which is the Southern Baptist seminary. There are

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 1>a few others, Midwestern, Southwestern, Southeastern. Southern is definitely the best. Yeah,

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:57.480
<v Speaker 1>a little biased, little bias. Sorry. So here's the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>let's first of all and I both say, we're so encouraged.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is encouraging for several reasons. One because

0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:11.560
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like you're being responsible with this call. If

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 1>it would be different if you said, I'm sitting there

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.239
<v Speaker 1>and I'm in this discipleship class and suddenly it hit

0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 1>me I should be a pastor. Well, there's and I

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>need to start a church right now. It's a little

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 1>different than what you're essentially saying, is it suddenly it

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:30.720
<v Speaker 1>hit me, I need to be further equipped. That's cool, man,

0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 1>and I could relate exactly to this. And I remember

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 1>two years ago, a little over two years ago, when

0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 1>it hit me in the same way that you described

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:42.840
<v Speaker 1>that I should go to seminary. And for so long

0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 1>I thought to myself, I don't need to go to seminary.

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:47.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't need I don't need to be equipped in

0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:50.960
<v Speaker 1>that way. I have other things that God has planned

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 1>for me. And then all of a sudden it hit me.

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 1>God had plans for me to go to seminary, and

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I knew it to the core of my being. In fact,

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 1>in one particular day more than others, and I kind

0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 1>of wrapped everything up. I called Chad, who's on this

0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 1>podcast I'm called talk to Bernie. This is before I

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 1>met Marshall, and everything was clear to me that in

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:14.320
<v Speaker 1>that moment, I need to go to not only seminary,

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>but I need I need to go to Southern which

0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 1>offers a full online MDiv So let's dive into the

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 1>meat of this email, though, because that is your fear,

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 1>your fear and your your worry, and I understand that.

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:32.960
<v Speaker 1>You say, I pray that God will give me some

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:35.800
<v Speaker 1>wisdom and direction regarding it, and it has remained on

0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:40.840
<v Speaker 1>my mind ever since. Okay, so here we are talking, uh,

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:43.719
<v Speaker 1>in a in a way that God is going to say, Hey,

0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:47.120
<v Speaker 1>here's some wisdom from a guy that has been in

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:49.920
<v Speaker 1>your shoes. You say, fast forward to the church this morning,

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:53.799
<v Speaker 1>you see this, you feel strongly about this, and then

0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 1>you go into your fear. I have no idea how

0:34:56.719 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 1>to pull it off, you say, I I'm not sure

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:02.800
<v Speaker 1>how I'm going to afford it, or how to balance

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 1>it with my current career, or what any part of

0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:07.239
<v Speaker 1>the process really looks like. So let's just take that

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 1>little section and let's dive into that, because that's a

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:13.320
<v Speaker 1>good microcosm for anybody that's going through a change or

0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:18.280
<v Speaker 1>fills a new career, or a relationship or a school.

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:23.880
<v Speaker 1>We could answer it all the same. The only way,

0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 1>the only step for you, the only answer for you

0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 1>right now is to make the next step, take the

0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:35.400
<v Speaker 1>next step. We're not asking you, and you're not asking

0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 1>yourself to start your first class tomorrow. So and I

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 1>remember me doing this the same thing you're going through.

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, can I balance that? Can I afford that?

0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 1>What does that process look like? All three questions? And

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:54.319
<v Speaker 1>so the next step is I'm going to go to

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 1>the website of the seminary that I desire to go

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.839
<v Speaker 1>to and maybe have a few of them lined up,

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<v Speaker 1>and go to the website and look at the enrollment process?

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:07.400
<v Speaker 1>What does it take to enroll at this school? And

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 1>there it is. At some point in that website, you're

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>going to find the application process and it's going to

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 1>go here's what we need. We need an application, We

0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:17.719
<v Speaker 1>need you to fill out this stuff, and we need

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:21.760
<v Speaker 1>you to mail your college transcript to this and you go, okay,

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>and then at that point you send that stuff off,

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 1>still not knowing what the next step is, but you

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 1>do one step at a time, and then you send

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:32.840
<v Speaker 1>that off and then you wait to hear back, and

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:37.280
<v Speaker 1>as you do each step, that process starts to be

0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:40.279
<v Speaker 1>revealed more and more with more clarity, and then the

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 1>stuff like can I afford it? Then you actually see

0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:46.239
<v Speaker 1>how many classes you're going to take and exactly what

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 1>it costs plus the price of books, and then you

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:54.080
<v Speaker 1>look at scholarship opportunities. Yeah, and different kind of grants.

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:57.319
<v Speaker 1>Those kind of opportunities become more parent as you take

0:36:57.760 --> 0:36:58.719
<v Speaker 1>each step.

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:00.839
<v Speaker 2>And way more of those than many people even realized too.

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, here's here's the thing on your second question, how

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:06.800
<v Speaker 1>to balance it with my current career. I remember thinking

0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:11.280
<v Speaker 1>that had that same question, And at first my first semester,

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I signed up for three classes and I was still touring,

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 1>I was doing after Midnight, I was doing this podcast,

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing a lot of things, and I found out

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:26.840
<v Speaker 1>that they were doing a zoom call with all incoming students.

0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:29.040
<v Speaker 1>So I was like, cool, I'll get on this zoom call.

0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 1>There's like one hundred people in this waiting room on

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<v Speaker 1>this zoom call, and there was a TA a teaching

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<v Speaker 1>assistant on there, just answering questions, and a couple people

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<v Speaker 1>asked and it got kind of quiet. I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think i'll ask so you push a button to

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<v Speaker 1>raise your hand, you know, and he says okay. Granger

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<v Speaker 1>turned my mic on and I said, how how much

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<v Speaker 1>work could I expect three classes to be? And he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you should look at it as ten to tend towny

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<v Speaker 1>hours per week per class. And so I was quickly like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I just signed up for a full time job, so

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<v Speaker 1>you're sixty hours in right. Yeah. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>so I shouldn't take three and he's like, not, if

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<v Speaker 1>you have a job, you shouldn't. I was like, okay, good.

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<v Speaker 1>So I quickly went in and I canceled two classes

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<v Speaker 1>and I just I kept one and I've done one

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<v Speaker 1>at it, one at a time ever since. So my

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<v Speaker 1>point is not that point, Josh, that of the hours.

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<v Speaker 1>But my point is you'll figure these things out the

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<v Speaker 1>deeper you go in, the more steps you take.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, that's it. But this is a really encouraging email.

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<v Speaker 2>You felt the calling, and you you you reached out,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're you're continuing to feel this calling in your life,

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<v Speaker 2>and and you're you you say, do the steps oft

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<v Speaker 2>of school. He's really at the beginning he's already doing steps,

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<v Speaker 2>he's recognizing things, and then he's writing to you to

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<v Speaker 2>see what's next. And you know, you've already started taking steps,

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<v Speaker 2>which I love and I love seeing this. This is

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<v Speaker 2>really encouraging and this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is probably a really fresh email too. Yeah, it just

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<v Speaker 1>got this. Yeah, so this is this is time relevant.

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<v Speaker 1>So Josh excited for you, man. I would recommend Southern

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, Southwestern or Midwestern. I have friends at all

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<v Speaker 1>through those places, have some friends at Southeastern too, and

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<v Speaker 1>it might depend on where you live. There are definitely

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of seminaries I would not recommend. And Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to act fact, if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>email back further, email podcast at grangersmith dot com. If

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<v Speaker 1>you have further questions about where to look and what

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<v Speaker 1>seminaries that you would that I would not encourage. Not

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to rely only on my opinion, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one of several opinions that that that might be

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<v Speaker 1>helpful for you. So yeah, it's been good. Cool man. Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>go to the YouTube channel and find this podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>comment further. If you agree on there's a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>things you could disagree with. Maybe you're hearing from your

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<v Speaker 1>dead grandma. We've talked about that further, the inherancy of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible. I think the there could be an hour

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<v Speaker 1>podcast on the Book of Revelation and grad What do

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<v Speaker 1>you mean by there's certain things on apocalyptic literature that

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<v Speaker 1>aren't literal. What do you mean by that? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>believe the Bible is not true? I'm not saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying there's a difference fundamentally between this word means this,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was apocalyptic literature versus this word means this,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is Paul's letter to Timothy, and this word

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<v Speaker 1>means this, and this is David's song that he's writing,

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<v Speaker 1>and this word means this, and this is historical narrative,

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<v Speaker 1>and this word means this, and this is a parable

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<v Speaker 1>from Jesus. So this word means this means different things

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<v Speaker 1>depending on the ancient literature that was written at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>We could talk more about that, but I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>anyone to be confused that that's a long conversation, so

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<v Speaker 1>find the YouTube page comment below. We love you, guys,

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