1 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Okay, welcome back to the podcast. We have our producer 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: with us and man, so I'm back on the show. 3 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: Sometimes I show up, sometimes I don't. 4 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: And you are helpful either way. I did notice something 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: as you walked in. I didn't. I didn't mention it, 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: but you brought a banana? 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 2: I did. 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: Did you know that those are like really scarce these days? 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: Are they? Apparently? I read an article this morning that 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: bananas are about to go away. 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: I'll do I need a ration this. 12 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you should cut it up and freeze 13 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: it and eat a little bit every day. 14 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: I wish i'd known that before before I brought it. 15 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: And what you just ate was very pricey. 16 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, this whole strike thing going on, evidently bananas are 17 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: going to be really hit by this. Well. 18 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: We saw a lot of what would it be called 19 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: banana orchard, is it? 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, yeah, in Israel. 21 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's all a lot of those. 22 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: I saw when I've I've been traveling. I can't I 23 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: guess I can't say the country, but it's a it's 24 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: a Latin American country that is in desperate need of 25 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: economy boosting, and they have tons of bananas and they're 26 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: not gonna do anything about it. 27 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: But you know, I send them with the people that 28 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: are coming across the board. That's right, just some of them. 29 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 3: And by the time people hear this, this all this 30 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 3: might be resolved. Because we're a couple, we're recording a 31 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 3: couple of weeks ahead, so this might be over. This 32 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 3: might be over, or this might actually be like really relevant, 33 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 3: but that might still be in the freezer. 34 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: This might be the last banana on planet Earth. By 35 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: the time that people see this podcast. 36 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: We have a record last banana. 37 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: So what we do on this podcast is we answer 38 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: your questions. You email podcast at grangersmith dot com and 39 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: a man has collected your questions from that email, and 40 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: we're going to start today. Uh. This first one comes 41 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: from Denver, and it says, Hey, Grainger, this is Denver. 42 00:01:58,840 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: Let's take a drive. 43 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: Let's start. 44 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: It's a good reference because I usually say it's just 45 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: like you and I sitting in a cab of a 46 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: truck driving down the road. So here we are Denver. 47 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: He says, it's incredibly I'm incredibly encouraged by your weekly 48 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: podcast to hear your biblical viewpoint about all the different 49 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: questions as a born again follower. Of Christ. It's just 50 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: awesome to see you being used to help so many people. 51 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: What is your thoughts based on scripture about voting. It's 52 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: pretty clear to me that as an ambassadors of Christ, 53 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: given the great responsibility to take care of this land, 54 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: to prevent evil, and to care for this country that 55 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: were so graciously given to the best of my ability 56 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: by voting for a president that's not perfect, but policies 57 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: aligned closer to our values as Christians. And then you 58 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: added it works without this, but was part of the 59 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: email rather than a candidate that is advocating murdering babies 60 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: at nine months pregnant. You put that so that maybe 61 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,559 Speaker 1: I wouldn't read that because it's controversial. 62 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: It's the part that it works with or without that. 63 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: I mean, the conversation sticks to I under should we 64 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: vote for the person who most aligns with our values 65 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: as Christians? 66 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: Sure it can in there, and then it says some 67 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: would be convicted that engaging in voting is placing yourself 68 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: in this worldly kingdom instead of being solely part of 69 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: God's kingdom. If you get to this, thanks, I would 70 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: love to hear your thoughts. God bless you all right, Denver. Yeah, 71 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: that's great man, And I'm thinking that's a good question, 72 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people should be thinking 73 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: about this thing. And I think the basic question is 74 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: should I vote or not? Because if I'm going to 75 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: be part of this world, would that would voting be bad? 76 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: And I think it goes to kind of like when 77 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: the Pharisees tried to trap Jesus into should we pay 78 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: taxes or not? You know, that's the first thing that 79 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: comes to my mind. There's a lot of examples. Jesus says, 80 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: give me a coin. You know whose inscription is on 81 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: this coin? They said Caesar's. He says, we'll give Caesar 82 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: what he's owed and give God what he's owed. And 83 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: I think if we said the same thing here, we're 84 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: living in Caesar's world. We're living in whatever country you're 85 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: listening from. You're living in that country, and you're under 86 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: the jurisdiction of that government. And to be a taxpayer, 87 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: a good law abiding citizen, which we should be as Christians, 88 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: you need to pay taxes. And if you're going to 89 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: pay taxes, then you have a say. And if you're 90 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: in a democracy, you have a say in the people 91 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: that determine where that tax dollar goes to that you 92 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 1: earned and then you gave because you're a law abiding citizen. 93 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: I think this is just practical stuff. If you're living 94 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: as as a monk in the mountains in a mountain 95 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: cave in Utah and you know, and you you are 96 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: off the grid and you are against government and you 97 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: don't pay taxes, you might have an argument. I'm not 98 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: really interested in that argument, but you might have an argument. 99 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: But that's not who you are, Denver, and that's not 100 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: who I am or am in And so I think 101 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: the short answer is, yeah, you should vote. 102 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely one hundred percent believe you should vote. And what 103 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 2: really brought me to this email One was the intro 104 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,679 Speaker 2: let's take a drive, but the other part was about 105 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 2: voting for policies. We are really consumed right now by 106 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: either Orange Man Bad or Cackle Lady. You know, those 107 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 2: are the acronyms given to either person and who they are, 108 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: and what they did and what they said and how 109 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 2: they sneezed and whether they blew their nose. It's just 110 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: silly stuff. What are the actual policies that they're going 111 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 2: to be enforcing or truly be behind? Once either one 112 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 2: of them are in office. I probably will never hang 113 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 2: out with Donald Trump or Kamala Harris ever and sit 114 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: down and have a conversation. I doubt that ever happens. However, 115 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 2: my influence can be on you said, your policies are this, Now, 116 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: how are you held accountable for it? Because that's what 117 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: I've voted for, and which one most aligns with our beliefs? 118 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 2: You know, I would say, in your belief in general 119 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: for us as Christians, what most aligns with what the 120 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: Bible says? And how do we get closer? And neither 121 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: one of them are going to be word for word 122 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 2: out of out of the Bible. They're policies. We see 123 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: that right now. If we ever get to the conversation 124 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: about policies, as most of the time news will not 125 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: take you there. But if you dig in and find 126 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 2: out what they are, which one looks more like that 127 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: or feels more like this, sounds more like what the 128 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: Word of God says and vote your conscience in that direction. 129 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally agree with everything you just said. I think 130 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: voting is a is a very beautiful thing and something 131 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: that is a privilege for many people that have that 132 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: it fought for that exact right. 133 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: And I think this goes for Christians and non Christians too. 134 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: If you don't vote, you really can't complain about what happens. 135 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: But especially if you are a Christian and you're worried 136 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: about where things are going and you do nothing, I 137 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 2: would say that's almost that right. There is unbiblical. Knowing 138 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: what is right and not doing what is right is unbiblical. 139 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. We probably don't have to 140 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: get any deeper than that. Honestly, I'm going to give 141 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: the next one to you. Why don't you read the 142 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: next one? Okay? 143 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: It says high Granger. I'm a young adult nineteen and 144 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: I'm a Christian. I was wondering if you can explain 145 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: the Book of Revelation and Timeline all right here on 146 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: this podcast. Right when I read the Bible, I don't 147 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: always understand what it says. I always find myself worrying 148 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: about the future. Social media like TikTok plays a part 149 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: in that, because everyone seems to have an opinion instead 150 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: of getting the facts from the Bible. Some of the 151 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: questions that I have is which comes first, Jesus coming 152 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: back or the Mark of the Beast. Well, Christians still 153 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: be on earth, during the tribulation. 154 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: O Amity, that's your name, So Amity, Aman and I 155 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: we don't prepare. You can't see our table, but we 156 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: don't have a bunch of notes in front of us. 157 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: So everything is a conversation, just like we were driving 158 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: on the road and you just drop this honest and 159 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: you say, hey, got a question about the Book of Revelation, 160 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: and so we're going to answer like you're a friend. 161 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: And so that's what we're gonna do right now. And 162 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: this idea, it has come up several times in this podcast. 163 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: I've either either talked about it or just expressed my 164 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: views about eschatology, which is the study of end times. 165 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: And I believe there are other There are many places 166 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: in the Bible that talk about the end times. But 167 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: I think that's what you're talking about more than just 168 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: the concept concept of the Book of You're talking about, hey, 169 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: how things going to end? And the great tribulation and 170 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: when it's Jesus coming back? Is there or is there 171 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: not a rapture? Those things are not only mentioned in Revelation, 172 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: but other places in the Bible as well. But I 173 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: need to before I go any further, I need to 174 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: say that no one knows exactly what that means any 175 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: of it, and so there is not a clear and 176 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: people could feel free to argue. Let me press pause 177 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: and say if you do want to argue or if 178 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: you want to disagree, Because this is a very hot topic. 179 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: On all of these questions, I've been encouraging lately the 180 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: last few episodes to go to the YouTube version of 181 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: this podcast that releases, So whatever platform you're listening on now, 182 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,599 Speaker 1: after it's finished, go to YouTube and find this podcast 183 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: there and comment below your and then perhaps if there 184 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: are enough questions and thought provooking questions, a man can 185 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: get back on here with me and we'll go to 186 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: that video and take the second level of questions on 187 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: the first question. I think that's really encouraging. So back 188 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: to the subject at hand. No one knows, and it 189 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: is it is highly debated. Will Christians be on earth 190 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: during the tribulation? Will Jesus come back before the market 191 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: of the beast? There are people that believe, yes, there 192 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: are people that believe know, and each of those groups 193 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: of people will argue with the Bible. So there is 194 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: not a group that is saying I'm arguing without the Bible. 195 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: I'm just arguing by intuition or what everyone will have 196 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: a they'll have biblical proof. And so to that, I say, 197 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: to each their own. Everyone has an opinion about eschatology, 198 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: but I believe with all of my heart it is 199 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: a distraction, all of it from the enemy. Agree And 200 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: this is the argument I like to make on this podcast, 201 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 1: is that when we get too involved and we start 202 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: worrying about the Book of Revelation, which is the book 203 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: that John the Apostle. John wrote in his exile on 204 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: the island Patmos, and he's there and he has a 205 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: vision from God about things that would be to come 206 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: and also things that he needs to rebuke the current 207 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: churches with John, and he's in the presence of God 208 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: and he's he sees it's its apocalyptic language, is how 209 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: the Book of Revelation is written. We have to understand 210 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: in ancient writing, there's there are different styles of writing. 211 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: There's poetry, there's historical narrative, there are letters personal letters, 212 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: and then there's apocalyptic language. That's what John is speaking with. 213 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: So what we could agree on is that as John 214 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: is writing these this apocalyptic vision, he's not trying to 215 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: be never was to be literal about what he's saying. 216 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: He's seeing a vision and so. 217 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 2: So many things that no one has ever seen. 218 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: And so when he talks about the dragon, for instance, 219 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: scholars will all agree he's not talking about a physical dragon. 220 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: This is this is his the way of writing in 221 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: the apocalyptic language of the dragon and the woman and 222 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: the beast, and he's using language of the enemy and Christ, 223 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: and he's he's he's making this comparison. This is uh, 224 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: this is this is would be the difference in someone 225 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: taking a fundamentalist approach to the Bible and saying, what 226 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: every word that it says is exactly what it means, 227 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: as opposed to someone saying, I believe that the Bible 228 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: is absolutely true in the inspired word of God, but 229 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: you wouldn't take word for word and say this is 230 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: what it means. Sometimes it's an impression of what It's 231 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: always true, it's always a word of God. But sometimes 232 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: it's an impression of what the author is trying to 233 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: say through his poetry or through his vision. Does that 234 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: make sense? There are many examples of this, and we 235 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: could go down that list. In fact, if you want 236 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: to comment on YouTube, and we can go deeper on 237 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: what it means for something to say something in the 238 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: Bible that is true but might not be that word 239 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: like you think it means. Okay. 240 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 2: A good way, too, is to think about describing something 241 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: to someone who's blind and has never seen before. In 242 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: this room, I wouldn't say, over here, on this wall 243 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 2: there's a guitar. I don't if you're blind, never have 244 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 2: seen you don't know what a guitar is. Okay, it's 245 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: a block of wood that's been hollowed out that has 246 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: strings stretched across. Okay, if you've never seen one and 247 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: you have someone explaining it to you, it's very elaborate, 248 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 2: very detailed, and expact, exasperated, you know, exaggerated. And that's 249 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: a lot of what he's doing there as well. Yeah, 250 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 2: and things that no one's ever seen before. You've never 251 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: seen it. So I've got to tell you best time things. 252 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: God gave John a vision and he saw these things 253 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: and he wrote them down to us, and so he 254 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: let me go back to my point, though, I believe 255 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: the enemy uses these these kind of things in this 256 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: very conversation we're having as a distraction to distract us 257 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: from what the gospel really says and what Jesus came 258 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: to do. And all of the things that happened in 259 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: the end times are are irrelevant. Really, they're neat and 260 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: they're fun, and they should warn us that the end 261 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: is coming and that we should be ready. But that's Jesus' messages. 262 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: Be ready. 263 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: No one knows the end, what's going to happen, but 264 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: be ready. So so put your faith in trust in him. 265 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: That he has died for sin, that he was resurrected 266 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: by God, and he has been given the power to 267 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: forgive sinners like me and you, and through that forgiveness, 268 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: and as we repent from our sin and turn to 269 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: him and put our trust in him and have faith 270 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: in him, we will be saved. And whatever happens in 271 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: the end of time, we will be covered. 272 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: There's been in the time that we're recording this, there's 273 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: just been rockets being fired over Israel and defense going 274 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: up and stuff like that, and people are taking that 275 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: opportunity to go see, look, the end is happening right now. 276 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: But listen. If it encourages you to share the Gospel 277 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: with others, great, But like you said, if it's a 278 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: distraction to like, well, what's going to happen, when's this 279 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: going to go, well, you're not thinking about telling others 280 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 2: about the gospel. 281 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm triing about that. 282 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: You're worried about you, and that is a If you're 283 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: worried about you, there's a bigger issue. 284 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, for people. If you want to look up when 285 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: I'm talking about there is pre millennial pre millennialism, there's 286 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: ah millennialism, and there's post millennialism, and you could look 287 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: these are groups that I believe that in different timeframes 288 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: of the end times. And it's it's interesting to think 289 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: too that in evangelical churches, they they will in their 290 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: statement of faith, your your church, my church, they will 291 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: say that we are okay with all of these different 292 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: views of the end times. There's there shouldn't be and 293 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: there isn't a good evangelical church that says, you must 294 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: believe in this interpretation of the end of times, but 295 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: you must be pre mill you must be a mail 296 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: you must be post mill. Instead, they say, hey, we 297 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: understand that this is a point of disagreement, and it's 298 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: just not it's not something that should cause division at all. 299 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: Agree. 300 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody knows, and I think it's a good it's 301 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: a it's a good topic. Amity and I'm glad you 302 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: asked it, and and we could go on for an 303 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: hour on our views of that. But just remember this 304 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: is apocalyptic language in the Book of Revelation, and Jesus's 305 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: message to all of it is be ready repent and 306 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: believe the next one. I like when you read Okay. 307 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, to say, Granger, I've been listening to you for 308 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: about three months now. I've heard you say a lot 309 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: of times that if you're going through a divorce, make 310 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 2: sure you do it with a group of believers. I 311 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: understand you there. What I'm wondering is Jesus says in 312 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: the Bible that you can't remarry except for adultery. I 313 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 2: believe abuse would also be a reason for divorce. I'm 314 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 2: a born again Christian and have a friend that is 315 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 2: a believer and his wife is filing for divorce. When 316 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: he told me that, he's saying she has no biblical 317 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 2: reason for divorce. He hasn't done anything wrong. I can't 318 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 2: explain everything because it will take too long. But he 319 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: is a recovering alcoholic. He's never abused her physically or emotionally, 320 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: or cheated on her. I don't know really what to 321 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 2: tell him to be honest a kind of question if 322 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 2: he is maybe a cultural Christian. He's a friend that 323 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: I haven't talked to in around ten years, and we 324 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 2: just reconnected Friday night on the phone. We live about 325 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 2: five hours away from each other. He also he's also 326 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 2: He also keeps asking me if he can remarry. I 327 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 2: don't know what to really tell him. I just told 328 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: him I would be praying for them and he should 329 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 2: be talking to his pastor. Is there anything you could 330 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 2: tell me to tell him? Thanks? Love everything you do? 331 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: And that is Tim, Tim. 332 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: I think you, first of all, you have a really 333 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: good answer to him that you're going to be praying 334 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: for him, and then he should talk to his pastor. 335 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: Because whenever I say that, you're right, you've been listening 336 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: for three months and you say that I talk about 337 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: whenever I talk about divorce, that you should do it 338 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: with a group of believers. But furthermore, you should be 339 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: doing it with your pastors or elders in at your church, 340 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: not just random believers. That's good, it should be you 341 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: should talk with wise counsel, but you should be able 342 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: to sit down with the pastors at the church that 343 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: you trust and walk through in the reason I say 344 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: it that way is because these men have been equipped 345 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: to handle these situations to give you wise counsel, not 346 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: just your your next door neighbor who's also a Christian. 347 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: That's great, But the further step for your buddy is that, 348 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: like you said, he should be talking with his pastor, 349 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: and preferably pastors, multiple pastors, not just one guy that's 350 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: going to give him one piece of advice. But it 351 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: should be done in a council. And I think you're 352 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: right on everything you said. There's there's there's there's only 353 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: so much you could do. Being five hours away calling 354 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: him out, you could say things. You could say things like, brother, 355 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: I would encourage you to really dig in to what 356 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: it to what is a biblical divorce and what is 357 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: an unbiblical divorce? And I want to encourage you to 358 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: dig in, uh to what it means to remarry after 359 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: an unbiblical divorce or to remarry after a biblical divorce. 360 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: And and maybe we could find some books this is 361 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: you talking to him, that we could read through together. 362 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: But before you do anything, I wouldn't make any big 363 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: decisions until you research these and you talk to your 364 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: pastor and tim the truth is most likely. Unfortunately, he's 365 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: just gonna do what he's gonna do. He is more 366 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: than likely you And. 367 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 2: It's a very weird I mean, and I've spoke here 368 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: before that I've gone through a divorce and that period 369 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: of time, looking back on it now with hindsight twenty twenty, right, 370 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 2: Wanta did not have anyone It involved people at the church, 371 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: and so I did not have the church that I 372 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 2: went to have any support whatsoever. And looking back, it 373 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: was a lot of decisions that I made that were 374 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 2: wrong because of there was nobody with a sane mind 375 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: and that wasn't thinking and making decisions emotionally helping guide me. 376 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: And looking back like, absolutely you have to have that, 377 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: not somebody who eyes into everything that you do. But 378 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 2: if you were, if you're deciding to well, one, get divorced, 379 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: move job things, there's a lot of emotions in all 380 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: of that, and then on top of that a divorce 381 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: that you're splitting your entire life apart. There's so many 382 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: things that you were going to do wrong. And I 383 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 2: only made it by the grace of God. His hand 384 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 2: was over me and had he had a plan sovereign 385 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,959 Speaker 2: it's great, and then really living it and then having 386 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: that conversation and realizing that how true it is afterwards. 387 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 2: But if you if any advice is deliberate but loving, 388 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: and because everything is sensitive, the wrong meal at a 389 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 2: at a at a restaurant can set you off. You know, 390 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 2: something that messed up on your meal. Everything's on edge 391 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 2: all the way around you. The little things that you 392 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: didn't even think were a problem become big, giant issues 393 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 2: in times like this. 394 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: That's great, ay man, I think I think you're equipped 395 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: him to pray and tell them to see council from 396 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: his pastor a quick reminder here if you don't already know, 397 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: If you want to get a hold of me and 398 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: you want me to make you a video message, it's 399 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: super easy. 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So it's before we get 410 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: into the next question, which, by the way, if you 411 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: want to email us podcast at grangersmith dot com is 412 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: the email. Before we get to the next one, we 413 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: have to recognize that we're moving towards the end of 414 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: the month of October, and if you're listening real time 415 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: and around this time, Halloween's coming up. This is the 416 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: time that we should be thinking, all of us Christians, 417 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: non Christians, we should be thinking about what does it 418 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: mean when we're celebrating spirits, ghosts and are and are 419 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: we buying into that? And how are we buying into that? 420 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: And so let's separate Halloween completely and just make it 421 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: universal for any month of the year and say what 422 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 1: does it mean? Because you and I had this conversation 423 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: just the other day about people and I get this 424 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: all the time, people saying that they've been contacted by 425 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: a dead relative, and it's it's what's interesting about it 426 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: is people that are not religious at all, that have 427 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: that have no God, will will easily want to talk 428 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: about this. This these things and get really excited about 429 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: it in fact, but kind of tell me a little 430 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: bit out of conversation. You don't have to say any names, but. 431 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a friend who was telling me that 432 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 2: they were they and they were almost excited about about this. 433 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 2: And they're a believer, but they they're almost excited about 434 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 2: this because it reminded them of someone who has passed away, 435 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: and that they were they had they had heard on 436 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 2: one of their cameras a familiar voice that said some 437 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 2: things of that was very familiar of a dead relative. 438 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 2: And as they're telling me, I my clearly my face 439 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: changed because they were like what And I said, that's 440 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 2: a demon. That's not the relative that they think it is. 441 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 2: And of course they're facing like are you serious, and yeah, 442 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: there's there's that's not I'm gonna go a good thing. 443 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to that text conversation you and. 444 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: Know, okay, it's it is not a good thing. I 445 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: think it was voice, So I don't know if there 446 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 2: was a much text in there. 447 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: I think I think I wrote because there was an 448 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: interesting conversation. 449 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the first thing I thought was, Okay, how 450 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: do I navigate this? Because I don't know all the scriptures. 451 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 2: It was voice, yeah, right, and I think it is 452 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 2: and on both sides, I think it was like some 453 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: of our longest ones because of telling you the whole story. 454 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: But my first thought was like, I don't know, and 455 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: this is about this is I want to sidetrack for 456 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,719 Speaker 2: a second about being prepared. You don't need to prepare, 457 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: like you can't be prepared for everything all the time. 458 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: But this is why it's important to always have God's 459 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: word in your heart, because he will bring it up 460 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 2: now that I have these any conversation that I have again, 461 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, I know either where I've written him down, 462 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 2: how I've looked at them before, and I do now 463 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 2: I'll pull it up. I have my notes of a 464 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 2: conversation about this. What what does the Bible say about 465 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 2: being contacted or hearing voices or people who have passed on? 466 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 2: And it's like that is not one, it's not your relative. 467 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 2: Two your relative is in one or two places, because 468 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 2: it says that when the Bible says in Hebrews that 469 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 2: just as each person is destined to die once and 470 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: after that comes judgment. Die judgment, not hang around and 471 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 2: talk on your webcams or whatever that's not included. 472 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: In lost souls that looking to reconcile something and they're 473 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: lunging out. 474 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 2: In between, but there's no in between, guys. 475 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not like that movie sixth Sense, Yes exactly. 476 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: You know, like there's a couple more things you need 477 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: to accomplish as a ghost before you get to the afterlife, 478 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: and so they're kind of haunting trying to bring stuff together. 479 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: It's that movie Ghost as well. Yeah, yeah, you're trying 480 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: to bring some kind of reconciliation together. Yeah, so let's 481 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: look at the Bible. I found the notes too from 482 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: that same conversation where you just mentioned Hebrews nine twenty seven. 483 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: Ecclesiastes nine five and six says this, for the living 484 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: know that they will die, but the dead know nothing. 485 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: They have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten. 486 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: Their love, their hate, and their jealousy of long since vanished, 487 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: and never again will they have any part of things 488 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: that happen under the sun. So dead people are their 489 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: bodies are dead. They're not coming back out as skeletons 490 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: and speaking tough baby monitors. 491 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: If you need that last part in any clear, NLT 492 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 2: says they no longer play a part in anything here 493 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 2: on earth. That doesn't get more clear. 494 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, so then let's look at Deuteronomy, which means the law. 495 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: The law again, let no one be found among you 496 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire. That's scary. Anyway, 497 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft 498 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: or cast spells, or who is a medium or a spiritist, 499 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: or who consults the dead. Anyone does these things is 500 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: detestable to the Lord. That's terrifying. And then kind of 501 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: to your point Sawo Corinthians eleven fourteen, and no wonder 502 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: for Satan self, Paul writes masquerades as an angel of light. 503 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 2: Well, and I think about one. If things like this 504 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,719 Speaker 2: happen to people, does it draw you to the Bible 505 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 2: to go, look, hey, I heard something on my Did 506 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: it go hey, I need to go see that. But 507 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 2: or did it go, oh my gosh, my dead relative 508 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 2: is talking to me. And your mind moves away from 509 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 2: your relationship with Christ and into another part. That is 510 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: I think that's where the majority of it goes. 511 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: It's these ideas that all these religions kind of combining, 512 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: like reincarnation. Look, my mom's coming back in the form 513 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: of a cardinal sitting in the window, so speaking to me, 514 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: that's not your mom. 515 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 2: Well, and I mean you've also seen some of the 516 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 2: stuff that Amber is posted with butterflies that she is acknowledged. 517 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: I know that's not right, that's not River. Yes, but 518 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 2: it does remind me of him. 519 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: She calls it a godwink. 520 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: There you go, There you go. That's completely different than 521 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. Yeah, like having conversations with somebody 522 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 2: who's not there. 523 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, God comforting as people versus a dead relative trying 524 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: to come and speak to you to tell you everything's 525 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: going to be okay. Even that people say all the time, 526 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: like speaking of the dead, they say they're looking down 527 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: smiling right now. They're not looking at you. They're looking 528 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: at Christ. That's what the Bible says. Christians that die 529 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: are looking at Christ. They're not looking down on you, 530 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: smiling and trying to comfort you. Are saying everything's going 531 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: to be okay. Or they're proud of you. People say 532 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: you're Grandeur. Your dad's in heaven right now, so proud 533 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: of you. I'm like, well, thanks, I know you're trying 534 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: to uplift me. But Dad doesn't have anything to do 535 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,719 Speaker 1: with me right now. He's got better things to do. 536 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: Praise God. One Timothy four to seven. The spirit clearly 537 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: says that in later times some will abandon the faith 538 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. That's terrifying. 539 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 2: Yes, yep. 540 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: So the Bible is very clear that if you're hearing 541 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: from a dead relative, is convincing as it might be. 542 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: Paul says that the devil masquerades as an angel of light, 543 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: it is only one of two things. If you're seeing 544 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: a spirit, it is only an angel or a demon, 545 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: And if it's pretending to be your dead relative, it's 546 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: not an angel. 547 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 2: Well, and angels come to bring messages from God to you, 548 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 2: Mary Joseph on down the line. Yes, yeah, that's what 549 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,479 Speaker 2: they're here, that's what they can. And the first thing 550 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 2: they say is fear or not. And whether this is 551 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: true or not. I love this explanation that there's not 552 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 2: an actual real translation from Hebrew or of that, and 553 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 2: that if it was literal, it would say, please stop screaming. 554 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 2: Then an angel comes in wakes you up, please stop screaming. 555 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 2: I got a message from God would be more accurate 556 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 2: I've heard. 557 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: But so to wrap up this idea, your dead relative 558 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: is not talking to you, and I could say that 559 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: with full conviction from the Bible. 560 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: Don't be playing with Wiji boards on Halloween. 561 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: No, don't do that. Don't do that. All right? You 562 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: want to get to the Josh's question, Josh. 563 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, says hey Granger. I've recently started attending a discipleship 564 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: class at my Southern Baptist church. That's really cool. I 565 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 2: love that. Early on in the course about a month ago, 566 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 2: when we were discussing what it means to be a 567 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 2: disciple and our calls as Christians to go forth and 568 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 2: make new disciple new disciples, I was hit with a 569 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 2: very loud thought that I should go to seminary. At 570 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 2: the time, I tempered the thoughts a little bit, thinking 571 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 2: I might have just been getting caught up in the moment. 572 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 2: I prayed that God give me some wisdom and direction 573 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 2: regarding it, and it's remained on my mind ever since. 574 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 2: Fast forward to this morning at church we had several 575 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: new deacons ordained. That thought rang through my head again 576 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 2: very strongly. I know that I want to do this, 577 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 2: and those closest to me, are very supportive, but I 578 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 2: have no idea how to pull it off. I'm not 579 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 2: sure how I would afford it, how to balance it 580 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: with my current career, or what any part of the 581 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 2: process really looks like. If you have any advice or 582 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 2: know any resources I can check out, I greatly appreciate it. 583 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 2: Thanks for doing what you do. Your show is a 584 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 2: great encouragement at the start of each week, praying for y'all. 585 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: Josh, what a great email. 586 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 2: That is great. I love that you gave me a 587 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: book on not a deacon but an elder, And like, 588 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 2: the first thing that it says about you becoming an 589 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,239 Speaker 2: elder in your church is that you will have a 590 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 2: desire to become an elder in your church. Yeah, that's 591 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: the first thing I think of the miss Oh, you 592 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: already have a desire. Yeah, Step one is done. 593 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: I wonder where he lives. Yeah, that's an interesting thought. 594 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: But he is Southern Baptist. Josh, you could join me 595 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: at Southern, which is the Southern Baptist seminary. There are 596 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: a few others, Midwestern, Southwestern, Southeastern. Southern is definitely the best. Yeah, 597 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: a little biased, little bias. Sorry. So here's the thing, 598 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: let's first of all and I both say, we're so encouraged. 599 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: I think this is encouraging for several reasons. One because 600 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: it sounds like you're being responsible with this call. If 601 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: it would be different if you said, I'm sitting there 602 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,239 Speaker 1: and I'm in this discipleship class and suddenly it hit 603 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: me I should be a pastor. Well, there's and I 604 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: need to start a church right now. It's a little 605 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: different than what you're essentially saying, is it suddenly it 606 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: hit me, I need to be further equipped. That's cool, man, 607 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: and I could relate exactly to this. And I remember 608 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: two years ago, a little over two years ago, when 609 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: it hit me in the same way that you described 610 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: that I should go to seminary. And for so long 611 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: I thought to myself, I don't need to go to seminary. 612 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: I don't need I don't need to be equipped in 613 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: that way. I have other things that God has planned 614 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: for me. And then all of a sudden it hit me. 615 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: God had plans for me to go to seminary, and 616 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: I knew it to the core of my being. In fact, 617 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: in one particular day more than others, and I kind 618 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: of wrapped everything up. I called Chad, who's on this 619 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: podcast I'm called talk to Bernie. This is before I 620 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: met Marshall, and everything was clear to me that in 621 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 1: that moment, I need to go to not only seminary, 622 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: but I need I need to go to Southern which 623 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: offers a full online MDiv So let's dive into the 624 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: meat of this email, though, because that is your fear, 625 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: your fear and your your worry, and I understand that. 626 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: You say, I pray that God will give me some 627 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: wisdom and direction regarding it, and it has remained on 628 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: my mind ever since. Okay, so here we are talking, uh, 629 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: in a in a way that God is going to say, Hey, 630 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: here's some wisdom from a guy that has been in 631 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: your shoes. You say, fast forward to the church this morning, 632 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: you see this, you feel strongly about this, and then 633 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: you go into your fear. I have no idea how 634 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: to pull it off, you say, I I'm not sure 635 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: how I'm going to afford it, or how to balance 636 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: it with my current career, or what any part of 637 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: the process really looks like. So let's just take that 638 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: little section and let's dive into that, because that's a 639 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 1: good microcosm for anybody that's going through a change or 640 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 1: fills a new career, or a relationship or a school. 641 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: We could answer it all the same. The only way, 642 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: the only step for you, the only answer for you 643 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: right now is to make the next step, take the 644 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: next step. We're not asking you, and you're not asking 645 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: yourself to start your first class tomorrow. So and I 646 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: remember me doing this the same thing you're going through. 647 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, can I balance that? Can I afford that? 648 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: What does that process look like? All three questions? And 649 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: so the next step is I'm going to go to 650 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: the website of the seminary that I desire to go 651 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: to and maybe have a few of them lined up, 652 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: and go to the website and look at the enrollment process? 653 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: What does it take to enroll at this school? And 654 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: there it is. At some point in that website, you're 655 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: going to find the application process and it's going to 656 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: go here's what we need. We need an application, We 657 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: need you to fill out this stuff, and we need 658 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 1: you to mail your college transcript to this and you go, okay, 659 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: and then at that point you send that stuff off, 660 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: still not knowing what the next step is, but you 661 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: do one step at a time, and then you send 662 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: that off and then you wait to hear back, and 663 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 1: as you do each step, that process starts to be 664 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: revealed more and more with more clarity, and then the 665 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: stuff like can I afford it? Then you actually see 666 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: how many classes you're going to take and exactly what 667 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: it costs plus the price of books, and then you 668 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: look at scholarship opportunities. Yeah, and different kind of grants. 669 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: Those kind of opportunities become more parent as you take 670 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: each step. 671 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 2: And way more of those than many people even realized too. 672 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, here's here's the thing on your second question, how 673 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 1: to balance it with my current career. I remember thinking 674 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,280 Speaker 1: that had that same question, And at first my first semester, 675 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: I signed up for three classes and I was still touring, 676 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: I was doing after Midnight, I was doing this podcast, 677 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm doing a lot of things, and I found out 678 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: that they were doing a zoom call with all incoming students. 679 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: So I was like, cool, I'll get on this zoom call. 680 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: There's like one hundred people in this waiting room on 681 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 1: this zoom call, and there was a TA a teaching 682 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: assistant on there, just answering questions, and a couple people 683 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: asked and it got kind of quiet. I was like, well, 684 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: I think i'll ask so you push a button to 685 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: raise your hand, you know, and he says okay. Granger 686 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: turned my mic on and I said, how how much 687 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: work could I expect three classes to be? And he's like, well, 688 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: you should look at it as ten to tend towny 689 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 1: hours per week per class. And so I was quickly like, oh, 690 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 1: I just signed up for a full time job, so 691 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: you're sixty hours in right. Yeah. So I was like, 692 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: so I shouldn't take three and he's like, not, if 693 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: you have a job, you shouldn't. I was like, okay, good. 694 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 1: So I quickly went in and I canceled two classes 695 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 1: and I just I kept one and I've done one 696 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: at it, one at a time ever since. So my 697 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 1: point is not that point, Josh, that of the hours. 698 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: But my point is you'll figure these things out the 699 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: deeper you go in, the more steps you take. 700 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 2: Man, that's it. But this is a really encouraging email. 701 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 2: You felt the calling, and you you you reached out, 702 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 2: and you're you're continuing to feel this calling in your life, 703 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 2: and and you're you you say, do the steps oft 704 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 2: of school. He's really at the beginning he's already doing steps, 705 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 2: he's recognizing things, and then he's writing to you to 706 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,280 Speaker 2: see what's next. And you know, you've already started taking steps, 707 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 2: which I love and I love seeing this. This is 708 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 2: really encouraging and this. 709 00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: Is probably a really fresh email too. Yeah, it just 710 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: got this. Yeah, so this is this is time relevant. 711 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: So Josh excited for you, man. I would recommend Southern 712 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: and uh, Southwestern or Midwestern. I have friends at all 713 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: through those places, have some friends at Southeastern too, and 714 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: it might depend on where you live. There are definitely 715 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,919 Speaker 1: a bunch of seminaries I would not recommend. And Josh, 716 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 1: if you want to act fact, if you want to 717 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: email back further, email podcast at grangersmith dot com. If 718 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: you have further questions about where to look and what 719 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: seminaries that you would that I would not encourage. Not 720 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 1: that you have to rely only on my opinion, but 721 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: I'm one of several opinions that that that might be 722 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 1: helpful for you. So yeah, it's been good. Cool man. Hey, guys, 723 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,919 Speaker 1: go to the YouTube channel and find this podcast and 724 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: comment further. If you agree on there's a couple of 725 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: things you could disagree with. Maybe you're hearing from your 726 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: dead grandma. We've talked about that further, the inherancy of 727 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: the Bible. I think the there could be an hour 728 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: podcast on the Book of Revelation and grad What do 729 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: you mean by there's certain things on apocalyptic literature that 730 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 1: aren't literal. What do you mean by that? Do you 731 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: believe the Bible is not true? I'm not saying that. 732 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:17,399 Speaker 1: I'm saying there's a difference fundamentally between this word means this, 733 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: and this was apocalyptic literature versus this word means this, 734 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: and this is Paul's letter to Timothy, and this word 735 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: means this, and this is David's song that he's writing, 736 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: and this word means this, and this is historical narrative, 737 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:36,800 Speaker 1: and this word means this, and this is a parable 738 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,399 Speaker 1: from Jesus. So this word means this means different things 739 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: depending on the ancient literature that was written at the time. 740 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: We could talk more about that, but I don't want 741 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: anyone to be confused that that's a long conversation, so 742 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,839 Speaker 1: find the YouTube page comment below. We love you, guys, 743 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: Appreciate you brother, appreciate you too. Yeah, see you guys, 744 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me on the Grader Smith Podcast. Appreciate 745 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 1: all of you guys. You could help me out by 746 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: rating this podcast on iTunes. 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