Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King,
Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most
Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten
Speaker 1: years a production experience. Once a week from Reality with
Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows, every visit unforgettable
Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. This
Speaker 1: has been years in the making. Yes, you have been
Speaker 1: my most requested guest, so I started the podcast.
Speaker 2: Yes, people requested me everywhere.
Speaker 1: Now everywhere, and I wanted to make sure it was
Speaker 1: special when you came on the podcast. And one thing
Speaker 1: I appreciate about you and I want the world to
Speaker 1: know this MEMI is the one who said I want
Speaker 1: to come on your podcast.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm ready because you asked me in the past.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've asked in the past. She said, I'm not
Speaker 1: ready yet. And our friendship is not predicated on an
Speaker 1: interview now at all. You mean the world to me.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Okay, don't do that.
Speaker 1: I'm not I no, no, no, no, listen, I gotta
Speaker 1: get this out before we start. You mean the world
Speaker 1: to me. You really do and I can't. I don't
Speaker 1: have the emotional capacity to express to you right now
Speaker 1: how much you mean to me. I adore you, I
Speaker 1: love you. The first day we met, we clicked. Yes,
Speaker 1: you had a quick weave and I had a ball faid.
Speaker 1: We were both broke, but we were rich in happiness.
Speaker 2: That's what I used to say a happy day.
Speaker 1: We were both struggling.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say broke because I was living in good
Speaker 2: but we were making me was paycheck to paycheck, honey.
Speaker 1: Yes, we were making It's me but all just aside.
Speaker 1: I want to say thank you for coming on reality
Speaker 1: with the King. You made it on my list, yes,
Speaker 1: no surprise, the number one greatest housewife of all time.
Speaker 1: You built the Real Housewives franchise on your back, on
Speaker 1: your eyelashes, your fingernail and your lace front. And at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, and I'm going to say
Speaker 1: this publicly, there will not be a Real Housewives franchise
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for you building the house that we
Speaker 1: call the Real Housewives Atlanta. And you may not get
Speaker 1: that every day, or you may not get that from
Speaker 1: somebody who started day one with you. And I want
Speaker 1: to use my platform to let the world know you
Speaker 1: literally literally, you are the reason while we're able to
Speaker 1: enjoy the franchise that we watched today. So I wanted
Speaker 1: you to know that.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: She has manam Applaus for Lee. First question though, is this,
Speaker 1: how are you?
Speaker 2: I am doing really well. I have come a long
Speaker 2: ways because the first time you reached out to me
Speaker 2: and asked me to come on the show, I said,
Speaker 2: I'm not ready right now, I would have not been
Speaker 2: good on the show. Today, I feel like I'm in
Speaker 2: a very good place. I'm happy. I could always be happier,
Speaker 2: but I'm very happy, and I'm comfortable, and I'm okay.
Speaker 3: I'm really okay.
Speaker 1: No you, I bet you look good?
Speaker 2: Well, thank you?
Speaker 1: Can we start there?
Speaker 2: Are well? Okay? I feel good.
Speaker 1: No, you look amazing, And I do want to go
Speaker 1: back to the first day we met. This was two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. I left New York City. Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: a friend of mine named Joy said, little girl, there's
Speaker 1: an opportunity to go to Atlanta. My African was living
Speaker 1: in Atlanta at the time, and she said it may
Speaker 1: be called the Real Hospitals of Atlanta. Do you want
Speaker 1: to do it? Because she knew I loved reality television,
Speaker 1: and I said, of course. And what people don't know
Speaker 1: is as producers, you're a sign a reality star.
Speaker 3: Yes who are?
Speaker 1: And I was assigned you and Deshaun Snow, Yes you were.
Speaker 1: And the first day I met you, I was enamored
Speaker 1: with everything that you possessed. You were the quintessential star
Speaker 1: and the first thing you said to me was Hey, bitch,
Speaker 1: hag girl, Welcome to my house, bitch, and we instantly clicked.
Speaker 1: Did you know that season that this show was going
Speaker 1: to be the biggest Bravo show that has ever been
Speaker 1: on the network, and that you would be the biggest
Speaker 1: star that Bravo has ever seen?
Speaker 2: No? No, I didn't know. I didn't even know what
Speaker 2: we were doing, and I don't think a lot of
Speaker 2: us did, did you. I don't think we were just
Speaker 2: kind of like floating around. I remember, like three weeks
Speaker 2: into filming, I said to myself at home, like I
Speaker 2: just feel like I'm trying so hard and pushing and
Speaker 2: not being myself that I am now gonna go on
Speaker 2: camera and be me and be who I am. And
Speaker 2: I think that's when everything took a turn. It was
Speaker 2: like three weeks of shooting, and I said, I don't
Speaker 2: feel like I'm being me. Like you know, I wasn't loose,
Speaker 2: I wasn't myself. And I went home and I said,
Speaker 2: the only way I'm gonna be able to do this
Speaker 2: is that I just be nany leaks one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Just act like I act, talk the way I talk,
Speaker 2: you know, do stuff the way I do it, and
Speaker 2: that's the only way it's gonna work. And I just
Speaker 2: came and started doing what I do and just talk
Speaker 2: how I talk. And I was afraid to do that
Speaker 2: because I thought people would be looking at me like, Okay,
Speaker 2: she got a she's originally from Queens and luck we
Speaker 2: see York with the Southern twain because I lived in
Speaker 2: Georgia for so long since I was a kid, and
Speaker 2: I just thought people wouldn't like the way that I
Speaker 2: talked and all my southernness and just the things that
Speaker 2: I would say.
Speaker 1: Were you afraid that people call you ghetto?
Speaker 3: I was never afraid of that.
Speaker 2: It was just that I just felt like I didn't
Speaker 2: have maybe the flare that some of the other girls had. Obviously,
Speaker 2: these girls like Deshaun Snow was living in a fifteen
Speaker 2: thousand square foot mansion.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm over here living in.
Speaker 2: My little five thousand square foot place at the time,
Speaker 2: and charais living in a twelve thousand square foot house with.
Speaker 1: A broken gate, Yeah, with a broken gate.
Speaker 2: And Kim Zosiak was living off a big papa at
Speaker 2: the time with all of her bracelets on. And so
Speaker 2: I felt like, well, dang, you know what am I
Speaker 2: going to do? And I just decided that I was
Speaker 2: going to just be me and we'll just see how
Speaker 2: that works.
Speaker 1: I'll say this to you. The first day I knew
Speaker 1: the show was a hit was we were at Charae's
Speaker 1: house filming Chari's birthday party. Yes, and your arrived with
Speaker 1: Kim after checking closed at the shell gas station and
Speaker 1: we're filming, and you walked up to get in the house,
Speaker 1: and the executive producer at the time, Kenny Hally, Hey.
Speaker 2: Kenny, Hey Kenny.
Speaker 1: You were like, hey, bitch, I got my little black
Speaker 1: dress off, popping lips, buzzing. You walked up in the
Speaker 1: house and got rejected from entering, and you broke the
Speaker 1: fourth wall. You were the first person to break the
Speaker 1: fourth wall. And you said, I'm a housewife. You see
Speaker 1: these cameras following me, bitch, I need to be here,
Speaker 1: and the security guard was like, I was told, if
Speaker 1: you're not on the list, you you could not come in.
Speaker 1: And you went Ham and Cheese and then y'all went
Speaker 1: to a restaurant called Twists afterwards, unless your ray have it.
Speaker 1: That was a moment I knew this show was going
Speaker 1: to be a hit. Charay has admitted since then on
Speaker 1: my podcast that she that she did purposely leave you
Speaker 1: off the list.
Speaker 2: I know she did.
Speaker 1: Now that you know that, what would you like to
Speaker 1: say to Chara?
Speaker 2: Nothing, not a thing. Why would I give her any pointers?
Speaker 2: You know? That's probably the best thing she did was
Speaker 2: leave me off of the list, honestly, Like you said,
Speaker 2: the show became like huge from that moment forward. But
Speaker 2: I always knew she purposely left me off the list.
Speaker 3: I always knew.
Speaker 2: She purposely left me out the list. Now the question
Speaker 2: would be why why leave me off the list? Honey?
Speaker 2: Without me, there's no you.
Speaker 1: Well, she said that you two weren't getting along at
Speaker 1: the time, and that she was, you know, following her
Speaker 1: own reality. She was pressured by the producers to invite you,
Speaker 1: and she felt like this is my home, I sanctuary
Speaker 1: and if me and this girl are getting along, she
Speaker 1: should not step up in my household.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good thing that she was following her
Speaker 2: own reality, which has taken her not far.
Speaker 3: But it was the best thing she could have ever done.
Speaker 2: Is left me off the list. I became bigger than ever.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate that moment, Charay, Thank you. Do you
Speaker 2: like Charain? You know, I don't dislike Charae, But for
Speaker 2: some at one point, Sharay and I were like really
Speaker 2: really good, like because we met before the cameras ever rolled.
Speaker 2: I would hang out of her house, Greg and I
Speaker 2: would go to the game with her, and Bob was
Speaker 2: playing football at the time. For some reason, I'm not
Speaker 2: exactly sure what it is. It's like we haven't connected
Speaker 2: or clicked in years, and I'm not as sure why.
Speaker 2: I'm really not sure why. I do feel like once
Speaker 2: I started on the show, and I stayed on the show,
Speaker 2: and she was on and off the show for many seasons,
Speaker 2: and the truth is I was the show and it
Speaker 2: just felt like all of them just kind of turned
Speaker 2: against me and we just a friendship just got lost
Speaker 2: in the mix. But I think Charay is fun. You know,
Speaker 2: when she wants to. We've had a good time together.
Speaker 2: She's a Capricorn, I'm a Sagittarist. We always have gotten along,
Speaker 2: you know, in the past, before the cameras ever started rolling.
Speaker 2: Once the camera started rolling, our friendship just became nothing.
Speaker 1: Are you surprised that fifteen years later, Charay is the
Speaker 1: last standing og on the show.
Speaker 3: I don't know about the last standing.
Speaker 2: She's the last one they could get on the show,
Speaker 2: and so I mean there was nowhere else to go.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's the people that were the
Speaker 2: stars of the show. You know, we're literally me and
Speaker 2: Kim Zosia.
Speaker 1: And you don't think Nini, Kim and Charae were the stars.
Speaker 2: I think Charay play her role or play her part
Speaker 2: in the show. I think I just don't think the
Speaker 2: network of the production company really valued her that much.
Speaker 2: They felt like, we don't really need her that much.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's not the most exciting person in the world,
Speaker 2: but she has her little, you know parts that she
Speaker 2: do on the show. That's whatever. But your question, again,
Speaker 2: I have become very computer. What was the question.
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's go back to season one. Did you
Speaker 1: feel like you started off being the underdog.
Speaker 2: That's the that's the word the underdogs. So it came
Speaker 2: out together. Of course I was the underdog the first season.
Speaker 2: I was the underdog. I wasn't sure if I would
Speaker 2: be liked. I think Charae, along with Kim and the
Speaker 2: rest of the girls, thought, oh please, they're gonna love us,
Speaker 2: you know, and they're not gonna like her, and it
Speaker 2: just didn't work like that.
Speaker 3: They loved me and didn't like them.
Speaker 1: Did you develop an ego after season one of their
Speaker 1: housepots of Atlanta?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't.
Speaker 2: I think that people like to say like you've changed
Speaker 2: over the years, where the thing is you're supposed to grow,
Speaker 2: you know. I every year you get older, you know,
Speaker 2: it's not like I'm getting younger, and you learn from
Speaker 2: your mistakes and you become more and more mature. And
Speaker 2: also I think people try to say ego when the
Speaker 2: cameras are watching you and all these people are pulling
Speaker 2: you apart every single day, and you have no the
Speaker 2: choice but to be like, oh my gosh, they just
Speaker 2: pulled apart my wig, So now you go and try
Speaker 2: to get the best wig, right, Oh my gosh, they
Speaker 2: pulled apart my makeup. Now you're going to get the
Speaker 2: best makeup artists. And then once you do all these things,
Speaker 2: they say, change, What damn, you just pulled me completely apart.
Speaker 2: I had to change in some ways, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. But I don't think there's an ego. You
Speaker 2: just learn how to act, You learn what to say
Speaker 2: and what not to say, that kind of stuff. But
Speaker 2: I really worked hard on being myself because I don't
Speaker 2: like to be in situations where I can't be me.
Speaker 2: When I'm not me, I'm not comfortable, you know. I
Speaker 2: like to just be me, you know. And that's and
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm more liked when I'm being me.
Speaker 2: I am less liked when I am like holding it
Speaker 2: back and trying not to be Niini. So I just
Speaker 2: I really sometimes I have to say to myself, like
Speaker 2: be Nini now, you know, be Nini because Nini is
Speaker 2: what people like.
Speaker 3: But I don't think there's an ego.
Speaker 2: I think with all of us girls, over the years,
Speaker 2: we all change, we all get new eyes and new nose,
Speaker 2: new tennies, new ass. I mean.
Speaker 3: We have to.
Speaker 2: Because we did it. People would be pulling us award literally,
Speaker 2: be like she needs to get her body done and
Speaker 2: as soon as you get it done, they're like, she
Speaker 2: got her body done, what do you want me to do?
Speaker 2: So you have to do something?
Speaker 1: Is the When did you think things change on the
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Atlanta? Did you When did you feel like,
Speaker 1: as an og we have the number one show as
Speaker 1: Black Girls, which was a huge feat and I was
Speaker 1: lucky to have a front row seat and that success.
Speaker 1: When did you feel like the show was changing and
Speaker 1: not what you started off as enjoying the show?
Speaker 2: I think it started to really change probably like season
Speaker 2: four for me. Season three is when they brought on
Speaker 2: I think Cynthia and Phaedra, and I think Kenya think
Speaker 2: came on or.
Speaker 3: She came four.
Speaker 1: Season three was faith okay.
Speaker 2: Well, whenever Kenya came I was four or five. That's
Speaker 2: what I think it changed.
Speaker 1: Why, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think all these things started. So for instance, when
Speaker 2: me and Lisa and Deshaun and Charie all of us started,
Speaker 2: they were our real husbands and our real boyfriend. Charay
Speaker 2: was really married to Bob and they really were going
Speaker 2: through a divorce. DeShawn was really married to Eric and
Speaker 2: they started to have their issues.
Speaker 3: Lisa was really with what's the.
Speaker 2: Saying at Hartwell at heartwell, I was really with Greg
Speaker 2: and Kim was really with Big Papa. Our stories were real.
Speaker 2: Everything we talked about and did was real. When we
Speaker 2: had disagreements, they were real. We didn't pretend like we
Speaker 2: had a boyfriend and we didn't have one. I mean.
Speaker 2: And then I think once Kenya came on the show,
Speaker 2: saying that Kenya started it or did it, but I'm
Speaker 2: saying at that moment it was, it started to be
Speaker 2: let's create our storyline. Well, we didn't create a storyline.
Speaker 2: We just showed up to work and just was filming
Speaker 2: and being who we are. They started having boyfriends and
Speaker 2: they weren't really their boyfriends and they that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: to me, changed the dynamic of the show. To me,
Speaker 2: if you didn't have a boyfriend, you just didn't have
Speaker 2: a boyfriend, And that's how it should have been shot,
Speaker 2: I believe now looking back as far as reality is concerned, like, shoot,
Speaker 2: it is what it is like. Don't try to create
Speaker 2: things like we want to see your dating life.
Speaker 3: Why don't have a freaking date?
Speaker 2: So then shoot that I don't have a day, opposed
Speaker 2: to putting pressure on me to go out and find
Speaker 2: some random dude that I'm really not dating. I'm really
Speaker 2: not into just the police production. Why don't you guys
Speaker 2: feel me looking for a date or talking on the
Speaker 2: phone to some guy just been talking to it for
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, rather than making me pretend I'm
Speaker 2: out on a date with somebody. I thought things start
Speaker 2: to change right about then? Can you go with us
Speaker 2: to South Africa?
Speaker 1: No? So that was the thing, sos No, that was
Speaker 1: season five? So okay, season four was South Africa and
Speaker 1: mar it was you, Charree, Cynthia, Phedra Candy. Yeah, mama
Speaker 1: is saying anybody.
Speaker 3: It was Marlow, Marlow went to Africa Marlow.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then Kim Kim was sell on the show.
Speaker 1: But she didn't go to ACA and go to Africa.
Speaker 3: Yea, you didn't go to any trips.
Speaker 1: No, So you think Kenya changed the direction of the.
Speaker 2: Show, I think, you know, I hate to say she
Speaker 2: was the one that actually changes, but to me, that's
Speaker 2: when things started to change, right about.
Speaker 1: This in a negative way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like people started to create storylines and
Speaker 2: pretend to have boyfriends and all of those things. To me,
Speaker 2: my opinion, does not make for a good reality show.
Speaker 2: I think reality shows are exactly what it says reality
Speaker 2: what is really happening. And I think everybody started to
Speaker 2: change then now prior to her, I think, you know,
Speaker 2: I may get some of my seasons mixed up. Prior
Speaker 2: to her. I think Phaedra and Cynthia were on prior
Speaker 2: to started to not want to show like you know.
Speaker 3: I think she showed her.
Speaker 2: Pregnancy because she was pregnant the whole time, but she
Speaker 2: wasn't sure about how far along she was, and all
Speaker 2: of those kind.
Speaker 1: Of things in the hood, we don't know who they're
Speaker 1: pregnant by long.
Speaker 2: They are exactly you said, So those things, to me
Speaker 2: start to make the show not be what it is.
Speaker 1: I never thought about it that way.
Speaker 3: That's how I feel about it.
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, when we first started, all
Speaker 2: the things we were doing were just for real. They
Speaker 2: were just for real. What were happening in our lives
Speaker 2: was really happening in our lives. Even on season two,
Speaker 2: they were really happening in our lives. I think season
Speaker 2: three we start to get a little bit of a
Speaker 2: check because you know, the first two three season we
Speaker 2: weren't getting nothing.
Speaker 1: Honey, how much did you make your first season of
Speaker 1: Atlanta house I think my.
Speaker 2: First season on Housewives, I made ten thousand total total.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, you filmed for three months on the
Speaker 1: first season of The Real Housewives Atlanta and you made
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Now I believe if I'm not mistaken, then I can
Speaker 2: go back and check, cause it's sure.
Speaker 3: New one twenty.
Speaker 2: We did a reunion and I think they gave us
Speaker 2: five thousand for the reunion. So we had very little money.
Speaker 2: So for all the people, there's a lot of people
Speaker 2: that say a lot of stuff, they just don't know
Speaker 2: what they're talking about. Season one, we didn't make any money.
Speaker 2: We filmed that show and it was we knocked it
Speaker 2: out the park and we didn't get anything. Season two
Speaker 2: we didn't get anything. I want to say Season two
Speaker 2: we got probably about maybe fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Season two, Season two fifty and then season three is
Speaker 1: when you see Season three.
Speaker 2: We moved to an attorney. All of us came together,
Speaker 2: got the same attorney, and we wanted to have favored nation,
Speaker 2: and I think we got one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: And you Chemischer made the same. Season three, Yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 2: It was maybe at the most one point fifty we
Speaker 2: started to make a bag season maybe four, season four, okay,
Speaker 2: going back, but we knocked the show out the park.
Speaker 2: Do you understand those first three years, Yes, and we
Speaker 2: were not getting real money at all.
Speaker 1: Now okay, yeah, wow, I didn't know that. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that. Do you think you getting underpaid was because
Speaker 1: at that time you girls were so new to this
Speaker 1: you just didn't know. Yes, just didn't know very much.
Speaker 2: So and also when they say housewivese we all were
Speaker 2: real housewise for real, none of us really worked. Our
Speaker 2: husband's were the one that were working. We were really housewives,
Speaker 2: stay at home moms with the kids. I think Charay
Speaker 2: had a boutique at some point. Deshaun Lemy she had
Speaker 2: her foundation or whatever it is, and she was doing
Speaker 2: and whatever the little stuff was. But we were real housewives,
Speaker 2: and so I think for us, we were just excited
Speaker 2: to be out filming and doing something. That's what That's
Speaker 2: how I felt about it. I was just happy to
Speaker 2: be out doing something. So when you see all of
Speaker 2: us dressing and all those events that we had, we
Speaker 2: paid for those out of our pockets.
Speaker 3: Out of our pockets.
Speaker 1: Going back to season three, So the first two seasons,
Speaker 1: like you said, ratings go lord, ratings increased, breaking records.
Speaker 1: Season one, you guys were mentioned on Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 1: This show was a pop culture Phenomenon season three came in,
Speaker 1: you had Cynthia and Peter in addition to Phadrian Apollo.
Speaker 1: You and Cynthia did not know each other, And correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. You were told to hang out
Speaker 1: with Cynthia to get to know her to bring her
Speaker 1: in on the show.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So the producers showed me they were looking
Speaker 2: at a new girl named is Cynthia.
Speaker 3: They love for me to go out with her.
Speaker 2: She and I decided to go out to like a
Speaker 2: lunch or dinner or something, and I remember we went
Speaker 2: to Papado's and I remember Cynthia being like super nervous, like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, oh my god, this is sneemy leaks,
Speaker 2: and and we went to find Do you know who
Speaker 2: she was? I did not. I'd never heard of her
Speaker 2: before she was a supermodel. I still had not heard
Speaker 2: of her. The only super misa I heard of was
Speaker 2: Naomi and Tyra and maybe a couple of other black
Speaker 2: girls Beverly, But I had never heard of Cynthia.
Speaker 1: Okay, she was on the Cosby Show too.
Speaker 2: I didn't see it. Okay, y'all try it.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you she saw.
Speaker 2: This is the truth. I believe you.
Speaker 1: So you so so. Cynthia Belly the supermodel. She was
Speaker 1: star struck when she.
Speaker 2: Met you and rightly so okay, So how did I
Speaker 2: go on?
Speaker 1: Papa does and Papa does?
Speaker 3: We clicked.
Speaker 2: I liked her. I think she liked me. I felt
Speaker 2: like she was a little nervous. I didn't think that
Speaker 2: she was like housewife material, just being honest, and I
Speaker 2: was like, you know, she's a little quiet, she's a
Speaker 2: little this. I don't know that she is the one
Speaker 2: that you guys are looking for. But I really enjoyed
Speaker 2: her and I liked her. And that was before I
Speaker 2: met Peter.
Speaker 1: Now, when you met Peter, what do you think of him?
Speaker 2: When I met Peter, I thought too much, too much,
Speaker 2: he was doing it too much. I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: I see why y'all like Cynthia now because he was
Speaker 2: turned up. You know, he had like a club in
Speaker 2: downtown Atlanta, I think it's called Uptown or something like that,
Speaker 2: and he was just extremely like aggressive to me and
Speaker 2: just you know, loud, and I was just like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, like Cynthia is you know, this is her guy?
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I got why they liked Cynthia because
Speaker 2: Peter was extra.
Speaker 1: If Cynthia was not with Peter Thomas, would she have
Speaker 1: been a housewife.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, I don't. I just don't think
Speaker 2: not that she couldn't because I know Cynthia. I know
Speaker 2: the Cynthia in front of the camera, and I know
Speaker 2: Cynthia that's not on camera, and so I feel like,
Speaker 2: definitely the Cynthia that's not on camera has the strength
Speaker 2: and she's vocal enough to be on the show for
Speaker 2: sure without Peter. But on camera, I felt like she
Speaker 2: never really wanted to show that side of her because
Speaker 2: of listen, Cynthia can she can read and she can.
Speaker 3: Now I'm the one that told you.
Speaker 2: Guys on camera, I said, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: Cynthia doesn't read honey. Cynthia reads honey. And so I
Speaker 2: know Cynthia and I know what she does. So yes,
Speaker 2: Cynthia's pretty fire. And let me tell you, she put
Speaker 2: Peter in his place many days.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I've been witness of that. She would cuss
Speaker 1: Peter out.
Speaker 2: Yes she would, and people would be like, oh, Peter,
Speaker 2: she just running over Cynthia. Cynthia, who that's not the
Speaker 2: Citia we know?
Speaker 1: Pick him out the house.
Speaker 3: Yes, Cynthia would get me the together.
Speaker 1: Yes, he had to sleep at bar one over, get
Speaker 1: him together.
Speaker 3: I know Cynthia very well.
Speaker 1: When you saw Peter, this chocolate gorgeous man, were you
Speaker 1: ever attracted to Peter?
Speaker 2: Never? Never attracted to Peter, never had any I don't
Speaker 2: think we. I think people wanted to think that Peter
Speaker 2: and I like had some sort of attraction. We never
Speaker 2: had anything. If anything. It was more like I don't
Speaker 2: like you and he was pretty much like I don't
Speaker 2: like you. We kind of more like bumped heads more
Speaker 2: than like saw I to eye and we still do
Speaker 2: that today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Phaser came on this season with a poll up.
Speaker 1: This is season three. Yes, did you think Faser was
Speaker 1: good for the show starting out?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: But listen, I mean listen. It's not like they should
Speaker 2: listen to me. Honestly, you know I started on the
Speaker 2: show not on day one. I shot the pilot for
Speaker 2: Real Housewives of Atlanta, So I feel like I shot
Speaker 2: season one and then shot season one again. Because we
Speaker 2: actually shot a whole pilot shopped at which people have
Speaker 2: never seen before, and then we started the season one
Speaker 2: with new girls, which were it was Me, Charay and
Speaker 2: Kim always in the pilot, and then we started with
Speaker 2: Deshaun and Lisa, but in the pilot.
Speaker 3: Deshon and Lisa.
Speaker 2: Were not in our pilot that we shot. So I
Speaker 2: think that when you hear me talk about the show,
Speaker 2: I talk about the show in a more personal way
Speaker 2: because I feel more connected to it and I feel
Speaker 2: more like, you know, like it's my baby. And I
Speaker 2: always from day one one to see the show win,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to see us succeed, and I wanted
Speaker 2: to see all of us make money and things like that.
Speaker 2: So when certain people were coming around the show, obviously
Speaker 2: I had my personal opinions about it, and they were
Speaker 2: just my opinions. I didn't make the decisions. No, when
Speaker 2: I saw Phaede, I didn't think that she was right
Speaker 2: for the show. I had known favor from back in Athens,
Speaker 2: and I felt some kind of way that she was
Speaker 2: coming on the show. Why I just did again it
Speaker 2: was my baby, and I just felt like, what is
Speaker 2: she doing here?
Speaker 1: You didn't feel like she deserved to be a housewife
Speaker 1: because the Real Housewives of Atlanta, and let's really talk
Speaker 1: about this for real, the Real Housewives of Atlanta was
Speaker 1: It was a privilege to be a part of that show,
Speaker 1: and all of the girls in Atlanta wanted to be
Speaker 1: a part of it. It did and a lot of yeah,
Speaker 1: this is no disrespect. There's a lot of thirsty people
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and when we were at parties and events,
Speaker 1: they would fight for camera time. These people who never
Speaker 1: were even cast to be on the show. It was
Speaker 1: very privileged to be a part of it. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like Phaedra did not represent at that time what
Speaker 1: the show was about.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't even that. I think that back to
Speaker 2: what you were saying, we were being talked about everywhere
Speaker 2: with a lot of people don't understand when the Real
Speaker 2: Housewives of Atlanta are unsembled lunch.
Speaker 3: There was no love and hip hop.
Speaker 2: There was no Basketball wives, no Hollywood exits, no Braxton shows,
Speaker 2: no none of that. We were the first black ensemble
Speaker 2: in a very long time that had hit television. You know.
Speaker 2: Prior to that, they had Flavor of Love and whatever.
Speaker 2: All those shows were those kind of shows. But those
Speaker 2: shows had fizzled out. Those shows weren't on. The things
Speaker 2: that were on were like the Osbournes.
Speaker 3: And things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Hills, the Kardashians were not on yet, and
Speaker 2: I think that people really forget when they look back.
Speaker 2: We launched that reality platform and held that door open
Speaker 2: for all of these Black Unsemble shows to walk in
Speaker 2: that door. There was never any of them before there
Speaker 2: was us. We were first and people everybody wanted to
Speaker 2: be and we were shooting all over Atlanta. Everybody was
Speaker 2: talking about us, from Ellen Degenereses to Oprah Winfree to
Speaker 2: Gail to everybody you can think of.
Speaker 3: Jimmy found They.
Speaker 2: All talked about fure Maxazine, I was everybody was talking
Speaker 2: about the Real Housewives of Atlanta. And so again, it
Speaker 2: was a privilege to be on this show. And so
Speaker 2: I always felt some kind of way when certain girls
Speaker 2: were like, oh, I want to be on Housewives, I
Speaker 2: was like, you know, what's she coming over here for? Like,
Speaker 2: we worked so hard, you know, to We started out
Speaker 2: with one van, and so we were so hard and
Speaker 2: we got multiple bands and camera crews. We didn't have
Speaker 2: any of that stuff to start with.
Speaker 1: And so I'm telling you we were a low budget production.
Speaker 2: We were, and so when I saw Page, I was like,
Speaker 2: she's from Athens, Like, what is she doing up here?
Speaker 3: I'm from Athenes. She don't come over here and try
Speaker 3: to steal my thought.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I just felt like I was just protecting, you know,
Speaker 2: my area and my space.
Speaker 1: She was a high powered attorney, she was.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I just didn't feel that way. I do know
Speaker 2: that she's a high powered attorney. I know she's super funny.
Speaker 2: I like Favor a lot, But I'm just saying at
Speaker 2: that time, at that moment, I was just like, no,
Speaker 2: she shouldn't be here.
Speaker 1: Obviously, Like you said earlier, you started out being real,
Speaker 1: being yourself. You and Greg may he rest in peace.
Speaker 1: You know, I love him, call him dad all the time.
Speaker 1: Hey father, You guys gave so much to the show,
Speaker 1: gave so much to it. You have Bryson and brand
Speaker 1: you gave and your auntie who raised you. T T T.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: Do you regret putting your family business on the show.
Speaker 2: I'm a reality show, I'm a TV personality, right and
Speaker 2: I try to give everything I can give and I
Speaker 2: just don't see no other way of doing it. But
Speaker 2: there are certain things that I do regret. Okay, I
Speaker 2: do regret. I disciplined. My son wants on camera that
Speaker 2: everybody goes back and say over, no, you don't.
Speaker 3: Lost your damn mind. You know, like that really hurt.
Speaker 2: My son's feelings, and I, you know, I don't want
Speaker 2: to hurt my children in the process of doing something
Speaker 2: that I want to do, so I wish I could
Speaker 2: take that moment back. And I also when Greg and
Speaker 2: I went through our divorce, I wish that we hadn't
Speaker 2: put so much out there because we ended up getting
Speaker 2: back together. And when we were getting back together, we
Speaker 2: both were feeling kind of awkward, like, Okay, well we're
Speaker 2: going to tell people that we back together because we
Speaker 2: went through a whole divorce and you know, said all
Speaker 2: kinds of shit. So yeah, there are certain things that
Speaker 2: I wish I had not put out there, but they
Speaker 2: out there that.
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Speaker 1: the show. Bryceon was recently in the news yes with
Speaker 1: alleged things of fentanyl, alleging that he got caught by
Speaker 1: the cops and said his name was Brent Leaks. How
Speaker 1: is Bryson doing.
Speaker 2: I spoke to him on the phone. I think he's
Speaker 2: doing okay. He needs rehabilitation. He needs a lot of counseling.
Speaker 2: Like many families out there, I have family members that
Speaker 2: are struggling with drugs and certain addictions, and he has
Speaker 2: an addiction. He's been struggling with it for years. He's
Speaker 2: been in rehab for a couple of times and he
Speaker 2: still have come back out and relapsed. I have a
Speaker 2: brother that's an attic. I have a close cousin that's
Speaker 2: an addict. So unfortunately for us, our family, there's just
Speaker 2: been certain people that have been addicted to certain things
Speaker 2: and it's a real struggle. And as a mom, just
Speaker 2: to watch it is my hands are tied.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: He is thirty one years old, he's an adult. He
Speaker 2: has three children, three beautiful children who I adore. He
Speaker 2: has a wife. It's not much that I can do
Speaker 2: for people who have had children or family members that
Speaker 2: have been on drugs.
Speaker 3: They know that they have to be ready. They have
Speaker 3: to simply be ready.
Speaker 2: You know, I've spent so much money on trying to
Speaker 2: get Bryson, you know where he needs to be. But
Speaker 2: every time I've sent him off, it is because I said,
Speaker 2: you are getting your ass up and we are sending
Speaker 2: you off. But I learned through canceling myself that he
Speaker 2: has to say I am ready to go, not me
Speaker 2: making him go. So until Bryson is ready to make
Speaker 2: a change.
Speaker 3: It's nothing I can do as a mother.
Speaker 2: I will never wash my hands of my child, right,
Speaker 2: but I'm kind of numb to it because it's been
Speaker 2: happening for so many years. I'm just really kind of
Speaker 2: numb to the situation.
Speaker 1: And do you think so? I want to go deep
Speaker 1: here in terms of kids being raised under the guise
Speaker 1: of television, whether it's acting, reality TV, singing. Obviously your
Speaker 1: children were brought up on reality television, being famous because
Speaker 1: their mom is famous. Yes, Do you think Bryson being
Speaker 1: famous and dealing with being on television, all those things
Speaker 1: affected his ability to be the adult you wanted him
Speaker 1: to be. Did to contribute to the drug usage and
Speaker 1: those things.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't have to say I don't think
Speaker 2: it helped, but I wouldn't say this the sole cause
Speaker 2: of it. It certainly didn't help because we started on
Speaker 2: television when Bryson was like in the eleventh or twelfth
Speaker 2: grade and Brent was in third grade, And so they're
Speaker 2: having to be in a light shine, a light shine
Speaker 2: on them that they did not ask for. Like I
Speaker 2: grew up in high school, I just grew up, and
Speaker 2: I made all my mistakes and I didn't have to
Speaker 2: worry about people picking them apart. Well, they people are
Speaker 2: picking them apart because of the job that I chose
Speaker 2: to do, and so I feel for them in that way.
Speaker 2: But there's just issues that he has. And I don't
Speaker 2: know addiction, because I don't have an addiction, you know,
Speaker 2: I just know from what people have said to me.
Speaker 2: So I don't think it has one hundred percent to
Speaker 2: do with it, but it certainly does not help it
Speaker 2: being in the public guide.
Speaker 1: Did being on TV affect your marriage to Greg?
Speaker 2: Yes, it affected my marriage to Greg, because again Greg
Speaker 2: loved me for me and he knew me for who
Speaker 2: I was. And also my husband was the breadwinner. In
Speaker 2: my case, I wasn't working and he made the money.
Speaker 2: And once I started to make more money than him,
Speaker 2: he started looking at me like sideways, like oh, who
Speaker 2: she thinks she is? Because I no longer had to
Speaker 2: ask him for money, I no longer had to ask
Speaker 2: him for anything. If I wanted to go and buy
Speaker 2: the lady's bag, I just going by the lady's bag.
Speaker 2: And so I think that I pulled some of his
Speaker 2: strength or his power or something. I don't know it,
Speaker 2: just as a man It didn't make him feel great
Speaker 2: that I was making more money than him.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. The thing is this, and I want
Speaker 1: to talk about how women who are the breadwinner become
Speaker 1: the bread winner after being married for so long. And
Speaker 1: the foundation was the man took care of me and
Speaker 1: the household. The rose reversed. It's difficult for a man
Speaker 1: to accept that, and we're seeing that on a lot
Speaker 1: of reality TV shows and even with celebrities. Greg had
Speaker 1: a very hard time dealing with the fact that you
Speaker 1: no longer had to ask permission for stuff, and that
Speaker 1: not only were you able to do your own thing,
Speaker 1: you were able to do it in a grand scale,
Speaker 1: which is very unique. Hindsight is twenty twenty. Do you think,
Speaker 1: as you were going through this you are masculating him
Speaker 1: in any way?
Speaker 2: I probably did. I probably did not intentionally, I probably did.
Speaker 2: You know, my mouth probably was smarter, you know, I
Speaker 2: probably was up in his face a little bit tougher
Speaker 2: because you know, I could take care of myself. So
Speaker 2: I probably did in many ways.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, one thing.
Speaker 2: My husband, excuse me, Greg is from Atlanta, born and raised,
Speaker 2: and he is the true definition of an og and
Speaker 2: so he felt like his role as the husband and
Speaker 2: the head of the household was to take care of
Speaker 2: his family, and in a sense, I took some of
Speaker 2: that role away from him.
Speaker 3: Greg is old school.
Speaker 2: He's with opening up the door, and he's with all
Speaker 2: the things that allowed the old school guys would do.
Speaker 3: He's here for, you know, help raising.
Speaker 2: His kids, and he's just an old school guy. And
Speaker 2: me making more money than him and not needing him.
Speaker 2: I literally did not need him at one point to
Speaker 2: not even put a light bulb up. I would just
Speaker 2: put it up myself where I called somebody to do it,
Speaker 2: like I thought in my mind, I was just making
Speaker 2: our life easier. But I was taking things rolls away
Speaker 2: from him, as you know, the man the head of
Speaker 2: the household.
Speaker 1: And listen, I may get a lot of flack for this,
Speaker 1: but it's fine, but I would love to get your opinion.
Speaker 1: I do feel like when women start to make money,
Speaker 1: unfortunately they start to emasculate their man in a very
Speaker 1: subtle way and sometimes unintentionally. Every man wants to feel
Speaker 1: like you need him, Yes they do. Every man wants
Speaker 1: to feel wanted. Yes, I know a person who purposely
Speaker 1: pretends like she does know how to do certain things
Speaker 1: because she wants her man to feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: oh you need me, and she makes more money than him,
Speaker 1: but she does. You're like, oh my god, how do
Speaker 1: I I have to put my card and drive?
Speaker 2: I don't know how the time? Well, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: It's certain things because she wants to feel like I
Speaker 1: do need you. Do you feel like sometimes when a
Speaker 1: woman makes more money than her man that they feel
Speaker 1: they need to take on this boss role. And I'm
Speaker 1: a boss and I'm independent and I don't need no man.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's what happens and men get upset.
Speaker 2: I don't think I felt that way. I honestly thought
Speaker 2: I listen. I love love, I love a relationship. I
Speaker 2: love to make my man feel great. I just didn't
Speaker 2: know that I was taking those things away from him.
Speaker 2: I wish I knew better. I just didn't know that
Speaker 2: I was doing that. I do know better now, but
Speaker 2: I did not know that I was doing that at all.
Speaker 1: And when you were going through the divorce, I'll never
Speaker 1: forget this. I was doing your interview. This is season four,
Speaker 1: you and Greek are going through the divorce. A lot
Speaker 1: of people assumed that Ninni got famous, she's rich, she's
Speaker 1: on Celebrity Apprentice, she's doing it, and she wants to
Speaker 1: see how the grass is green on the other side.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna get that in a second. I remember
Speaker 1: the day you on a life for a divorce and
Speaker 1: I was with you, devastated. You were devastated. You called
Speaker 1: me to your bedroom, and if you know Nini leaks,
Speaker 1: you are not allowed to go to her bedroom or
Speaker 1: her closet. As we've seen on season eleven, I think
Speaker 1: she called me to her bedroom and you said Carlos
Speaker 1: were divorced, and you were so sad, and you were devastated.
Speaker 1: And I wanted people to know that, because you do
Speaker 1: have this reputation of oh, she's this tough girl, very strong.
Speaker 1: You were devastated that your marriage came to an official end.
Speaker 1: And you said to me, do not tell anybody, and
Speaker 1: I said, I will never and you said, I will
Speaker 1: tell the producers myself. And you did it a week later.
Speaker 1: And I kept her a secret for a week because
Speaker 1: I knew that you have to allow a person to
Speaker 1: go through the motions. When you were going through that,
Speaker 1: what was going through your mind because people thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're unhappy you're free, but you didn't feel free in
Speaker 1: that moment.
Speaker 2: I knew that people. I knew that people thought I
Speaker 2: was a strong one and that I was the one
Speaker 2: probably Boston Greg around, and I probably was the one
Speaker 2: that was doing whatever it was. Greg and I relationship
Speaker 2: is very much like Cynthia and Peter. Most people think
Speaker 2: that it's Peter in any case with him and Cynthia,
Speaker 2: and so most people thought it was me, But it
Speaker 2: was actually very the opposite Greg. Although it was very quiet,
Speaker 2: he was very strong, and people had no idea that Greg,
Speaker 2: like Cynthia, could really gather you and get you really
Speaker 2: together and then turn right around and smiled and be
Speaker 2: like a hi. He was very nice, nasty when he
Speaker 2: wanted to be, and he was like any other man.
Speaker 2: He did things that me, being a wife, did not
Speaker 2: appreciate her like. But I know everybody would think it
Speaker 2: would be me. I was devastated getting a divorce. I
Speaker 2: felt like I had to show Greg and teach him
Speaker 2: a lesson. And the only lesson that Greg was gonna
Speaker 2: get it was for me to divorce him. And I
Speaker 2: was gonna have to carry it all the way through.
Speaker 2: And when I carried it all the way through. I
Speaker 2: would never forget. Greg called me on the phone. He said,
Speaker 2: you bitch, you divorced me. And I like, cause Greg
Speaker 2: could get you good, baby, will get you right in
Speaker 2: a corner somewhere and gather you right up. He said,
Speaker 2: you bitch, you divorced me, and I was like, I
Speaker 2: had to show your ass. And so you know, our
Speaker 2: relationship wasn't any different than any other couple. I was
Speaker 2: devastated getting a divorce. I came from a home where
Speaker 2: I didn't have my mother or my father in my life,
Speaker 2: and I really wanted to have my kids in the
Speaker 2: two parent household.
Speaker 3: That's what I wanted.
Speaker 2: But I also knew that I wanted to be happy,
Speaker 2: and Greg and I were just at a crossroad where
Speaker 2: we just couldn't see our way out of it at
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: You then started dating John.
Speaker 2: Yes, I talked to John last night. Really, yes I did.
Speaker 1: Oh is he he's doing?
Speaker 2: But he actually called me about Bryce. He said, I
Speaker 2: heard what happened to Bryce, and I just want you
Speaker 2: to know that I will put him in a rehabilitation
Speaker 2: center in New York and I will pay for it.
Speaker 1: And what did you say?
Speaker 3: Soon as he get.
Speaker 2: Out grabbing take him also, you know, not just saying John,
Speaker 2: I mean, but because we're talking about heim. But lamar
Speaker 2: Odam also called me and said that he would grab
Speaker 2: Bryce right away and send him to his place. He
Speaker 2: has a rehabilitation place somewhere. So I've gotten calls from
Speaker 2: people in support because you know, honestly, it's nothing I
Speaker 2: can do. My hands a tide. I don't know what
Speaker 2: else to do. And so John Calladge called me last night.
Speaker 2: I won't tell you everything he said, honey, but he
Speaker 2: sure did tell me start off the conversation, my honey,
Speaker 2: he will get gather Bryson. He will pay for it,
Speaker 2: all of it himself, and he will send bricon to
Speaker 2: a place that he know in upstate New York.
Speaker 1: Please make that happen.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think I got to go on a date
Speaker 2: with him.
Speaker 1: But okay, do you still have the rot you?
Speaker 3: I sure do, I warn he today, I have it
Speaker 3: in a dressing room.
Speaker 1: Okay, if you can break it off for a second.
Speaker 2: Place, No, we'll show it.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I haven't.
Speaker 1: What was it like dating John when you before the
Speaker 1: job thing? What was it like being single? Because you
Speaker 1: you weren't you were married for so long.
Speaker 2: I was with Grant and my twins.
Speaker 1: There's nothing like dating again when you got money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's different.
Speaker 1: It is different.
Speaker 3: It is very different, and it's good it is.
Speaker 1: It's like the law of attraction. You start attracting people
Speaker 1: to you who may have the same things, are more
Speaker 1: than you. Yes, and it feels fun and feel sexyes
Speaker 1: between those girls. Did you enjoy it?
Speaker 2: You know it was? I would have to say for me, Carlos,
Speaker 2: I'm a relationship person, So I don't know many times
Speaker 2: in my life where I've been just free and single.
Speaker 3: Most men want me so.
Speaker 2: Right away I have been a relationship. I don't stay
Speaker 2: sing along. So right after I got broken up with Greg,
Speaker 2: shortly after I met I went on Celebrity Apprentice, which
Speaker 2: is where I met John Collage and then we ended
Speaker 2: up being in a relationship. I really am a relationship person.
Speaker 2: I don't get a chance to date that often. I
Speaker 2: go right into it. I really want to know what
Speaker 2: dating is like. I would love to do it. I
Speaker 2: just don't think I've ever really had that happen in
Speaker 2: my life. In high school, I had a boyfriend. In college,
Speaker 2: I had a boyfriend. Right out of college, I had
Speaker 2: a boyfriend. And right after that I met Gray. Like
Speaker 2: I've always been in a relationship.
Speaker 1: When you were dating John and figuring things out, did
Speaker 1: you think, Okay, I got a guy who wants to
Speaker 1: buy me row Lexus and buy me red bottles and
Speaker 1: buy me in the world.
Speaker 2: Maybe this is what I should have. Yeah, sure, I
Speaker 2: wanted to. I would love to date men who have
Speaker 2: more money than me. And John had way more money
Speaker 2: than I had, and I didn't have to spend my money.
Speaker 2: I could spend all of his and he would not
Speaker 2: even miss it because he had so much money. It
Speaker 2: was ridiculous. And I thought, oh my god, this is
Speaker 2: so fun. I get to buy anything I want to buy.
Speaker 2: I get to do anything I want to do, travel
Speaker 2: anywhere I want to travel. So it was fun, like
Speaker 2: you for the moment, yes, but he didn't fulfill me
Speaker 2: in all the other areas. But his pockets filled up
Speaker 2: my closet. I live honey for his shopping sprees.
Speaker 1: It was fun.
Speaker 2: There was no limit, pick up anything you and if
Speaker 2: you were my friend and you were with me, he said,
Speaker 2: you get you something too. It was amazing being with him.
Speaker 2: I loved it was like a fairy tale. It was
Speaker 2: so fun. But other than that, after that, like we
Speaker 2: were like, what do we have? Yeah, we didn't have
Speaker 2: anything though, Yeah, we had a lot of shopping. I
Speaker 2: would I you know, we had to get into my
Speaker 2: dating life later. Go on.
Speaker 1: No, I was just gonna say, And just like me
Speaker 1: and you, we got back together with our exes at
Speaker 1: the same time you got married. I did your wedding special.
Speaker 1: We got to we got to a fight moments before
Speaker 1: she walked down the aisle. You remember that, I do,
Speaker 1: so Nini was getting married. It was my first executive
Speaker 1: producer credit doing her wedding special, and Niini I stopped
Speaker 1: me and the producers and the camera people and said,
Speaker 1: leave me alone.
Speaker 3: Yes, well I would say leave me alone, and.
Speaker 1: We couldn't film her no more. And she locked the door,
Speaker 1: closing on my face. Child.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I was having a wedding and I've been
Speaker 2: a bride prior too, and there was no cameras on
Speaker 2: me like that, and I just needed a moment.
Speaker 3: I just needed a moment.
Speaker 2: To just be like I was on camera the whole day.
Speaker 2: I just needed a moment, that's all. But I still
Speaker 2: loved you just the same.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, we listen we made up and there
Speaker 1: made up and it's a great wedding.
Speaker 2: I just needed a moment.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a lot and we cried. Yes,
Speaker 1: I cried. Joy forced me to apologize to you. She said,
Speaker 1: you will regret being mad at her before, she says,
Speaker 1: I do. And I walked up to you. The cameras
Speaker 1: were rolling and I started to cry, and you said, bitch,
Speaker 1: you have a shew to produce. I love you too.
Speaker 1: Got out of here, bitch. Yes, I want to ask
Speaker 1: you this because I want to use his the or
Speaker 1: the air. A lot of people have said one of
Speaker 1: your famous lines is close your legs to marry men. Yes,
Speaker 1: and people said you ended up opening your legs up
Speaker 1: to one. How do you feel about that that? People
Speaker 1: said you were dating a man who was married.
Speaker 2: I was dating a man who was legally married going
Speaker 2: through a divorce.
Speaker 1: Like Kim and Big Papa.
Speaker 2: I don't think Big Papa went through a divorce. Yannie
Speaker 2: is divorced today as we sit here together. He is
Speaker 2: a divorce single man. And I don't think Big Papa
Speaker 2: have ever been divorced. In fact, he's back with his wife.
Speaker 2: I just saw him in Miami at this time. Hi
Speaker 2: Kim and Lee is his wife named Kim Kimberly. Big
Speaker 2: Papa's wife name is Kim. Yes, you can't make this
Speaker 2: shit up. You cannot Kimberly.
Speaker 1: Well, that was easy to remember.
Speaker 2: So yes, I said, close your legs to marry man
Speaker 2: married men. When I met Yanni, he was a separated man.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what he told me. Now, I don't know
Speaker 2: what he told his wife, who he was legally married
Speaker 2: to at the time. Today, as we said here, Yanni
Speaker 2: is a single, divorced man.
Speaker 1: Did you meet him before Greg passed away?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Not one hundred percent. I think Yanni had been
Speaker 2: living in Atlanta maybe two months and I met him,
Speaker 2: and my husband had probably been passed away maybe a
Speaker 2: month or so. And I met him in Atlanta at
Speaker 2: Blue Martini, and we both have been very open and
Speaker 2: honest about our relationship. I met him. A lot of
Speaker 2: people said you didn't even grieve. Honestly, when I look back,
Speaker 2: I thank God for Yanni because I don't think I
Speaker 2: could have made it. He kept my mind busy, he
Speaker 2: kept me going. That's not saying that I didn't grieve.
Speaker 2: I would grieve a lot. Grieving is very hard, and
Speaker 2: how you grieve.
Speaker 3: And how you choose to grieve. No one knows.
Speaker 2: I would have never known I would have met a
Speaker 2: guy out just a month after my husband passed away.
Speaker 2: And when we met, we were just friends, just talking.
Speaker 2: He would invite me places, me and my friends and
Speaker 2: we would go and hang out with him and that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, and me it wasn't serious. It got serious,
Speaker 2: I think because so many people were talking about seeing
Speaker 2: us together, so I feel like they made us serious
Speaker 2: when we weren't even trying to be serious. And today
Speaker 2: we're not serious.
Speaker 1: Y'all aren't together today.
Speaker 2: Today we are taking a break. We've been taking a break,
Speaker 2: and it's just things. I'm not happy with, things he's
Speaker 2: not happy with. It's just not working at the moment.
Speaker 2: He is single, So if any of the ladies out
Speaker 2: there want to let him go, right ahead. But if
Speaker 2: any other fellas honey only with a bag, Honey only
Speaker 2: with a bag, you cannot talk to me. My next
Speaker 2: relationship will be absolutely private.
Speaker 1: Really why, I just.
Speaker 2: Don't want to be This was the most public I
Speaker 2: think I've ever been in any relationship. It's more public
Speaker 2: than Gregg's. And I just feel like it's just best
Speaker 2: to be private. Also, I know from dating Yanny, and
Speaker 2: Yunny has a great career, he makes great money, sort
Speaker 2: of like what we were talking about earlier.
Speaker 3: I just want my guy.
Speaker 2: To make more money than me, I really do.
Speaker 3: That's just gonna be best.
Speaker 2: I need you to make more money than me.
Speaker 1: The best advice I was told is an inn a relationship,
Speaker 1: it needs to be one star per household.
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, being with somebody like Yanny,
Speaker 2: I think it will be a two star household. I
Speaker 2: think that he would want to be more front and
Speaker 2: center and.
Speaker 3: We just can't have that.
Speaker 1: People have said that he was using you for fame.
Speaker 1: Do you think that.
Speaker 2: I don't know that he was using me for fame.
Speaker 2: But he showed when Hay knowing that.
Speaker 1: He liked taking the pictures, and of course, and that
Speaker 1: was different because Greg never and I.
Speaker 2: Also would always look at him like okay, yeah, it
Speaker 2: felt different, And I agree it should be one star
Speaker 2: per household unless it's one of your kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: But it was, Yeah, it was different.
Speaker 2: I think. Honestly, I don't know if he was using
Speaker 2: me or not. Honestly, I was just grieving. I don't
Speaker 2: know what was happening I'm just going with the floor.
Speaker 2: If he said get up and get dressed, I got
Speaker 2: up and got dressed. He said, we leave in town.
Speaker 2: I got up and left town.
Speaker 1: Are you in love with him?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Were you? We're in love with him?
Speaker 2: I love Ynny. I think when you say in love,
Speaker 2: I think those that is very different, and I'm not
Speaker 2: sure that we are there.
Speaker 3: I think we got very close.
Speaker 1: Do you ever think you were experienced the type of
Speaker 1: love you have with Greg with another man? I do not.
Speaker 3: I think that again.
Speaker 2: My love with Greg was the ultimate, and I feel
Speaker 2: like you just don't find love like that. I don't
Speaker 2: know that I'll ever find it again. I just don't.
Speaker 1: Does that make you sad a little bit? Because you know,
Speaker 1: you got all this energy, your gorgeous, You're young, and.
Speaker 2: You know I think that I will find a guy, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: great guy to spend my life with. But Greg, he
Speaker 2: was pretty up there. It's gonna be hard to get
Speaker 2: up there. Greg was up there.
Speaker 1: Oh no, Greg, Greg is the greatest love of your life.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He was great. He was great, and and I was
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 2: You have to understand I grew with Greg because I
Speaker 2: was in my twenties and my thirties and my forties,
Speaker 2: and so I was growing with Greg. So that was
Speaker 2: just a different time and I don't think that I'll
Speaker 2: ever have that again.
Speaker 3: I hope that.
Speaker 2: I hope that I meet a great guy though, and
Speaker 2: I'm open to all ethnicities. You gotta be one to travel.
Speaker 2: Hoey have a bag.
Speaker 1: I called Marlow.
Speaker 2: So I don't think Marlow, you know, lock them in
Speaker 2: like that, like I'm a relationship person and they usually
Speaker 2: go with me.
Speaker 3: I think Marlow goes on a date. We go years.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what you want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'll go on a date two.
Speaker 2: You know, I told you I never experienced dating before,
Speaker 2: so I would like to date.
Speaker 1: I want you to have a hall phase.
Speaker 4: Oh, I want you to go out there and just
Speaker 4: day meet Meg, get banged and get bags and yes,
Speaker 4: get bang bags and you know, billions.
Speaker 2: That's the only one I'll be talking to. Honestly, I
Speaker 2: can't do it. They have to be wealthier, yes, said
Speaker 2: to be wealthy. I don't want to talk, honestly, I
Speaker 2: don't want to. I just don't want to deal with it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to deal with having fights about you
Speaker 2: think you're this or you're a fank you're that because
Speaker 2: you can do this. I don't want to do it.
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Speaker 1: This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.
Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. How do you feel
Speaker 1: with people? I'll ask you, if you still have money,
Speaker 1: if you're broke, are you struggling.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever been asked that question before.
Speaker 2: If I'm struggling, if I'm broke, if I have money,
Speaker 2: I'm not broke. That is not happening. Yeah, Lord Jesus,
Speaker 2: please let that shit happened. But you know, that's the
Speaker 2: only thing I can say is that, of course I'm
Speaker 2: not there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you're good. Yes, Well, let's get back
Speaker 1: into season five. Keingya and Porsche came on the show. Okay,
Speaker 1: at the same time, I'm gonna say something, and I'm
Speaker 1: curious if you agree with me or not. I think
Speaker 1: Kenyan Porsche saved the show.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: You have to take me back to that moment. Okay,
Speaker 2: I know they were great additions.
Speaker 1: They were so I didn't work on season five. I
Speaker 1: was doing another show, and I remember season four. Season
Speaker 1: four felt weird to me. It felt weird just in
Speaker 1: terms of the dynamic it was. I agree with you
Speaker 1: in terms of what is the show becoming and in
Speaker 1: my opinion as somebody who did not work on season five.
Speaker 1: I remember watching Kenya and Porsche and being like, these
Speaker 1: are two new, great additions, and I felt like they
Speaker 1: changed the temperature of the show. And I remember being
Speaker 1: invited to your Shoe Dazzle event. This is when Kenya
Speaker 1: came in pretending to be Phedro with the butt pass
Speaker 1: and the fishing that outfit, and you were so tickled
Speaker 1: by Kenya, and I was just sitting there as a
Speaker 1: viewer at that point, like, what is this show like?
Speaker 1: This show is what I'm accustomed to. I felt like
Speaker 1: Kenya and Porsche saved it from becoming redundant, and I
Speaker 1: felt like they brought something to the show that was needed.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Kenya and Porsche coming on
Speaker 1: season five.
Speaker 2: I don't remember it the way that you do. They
Speaker 2: were definitely great additions to the show. Obviously, we were
Speaker 2: all excited about having Kenya because she had been Missed USA,
Speaker 2: so we all knew her as Miss Usa. See I
Speaker 2: didn't know her as an actress or anything. I just
Speaker 2: knew her as the black Miss USA, and we thought
Speaker 2: of her as a black Barbie doll. And I did
Speaker 2: not know Portia at all. Now I knew her grandfather,
Speaker 2: which was Hosea, and everybody in Atlanta know Josell Feed
Speaker 2: the home rent and homeless, and so I was excited to.
Speaker 3: Meet her as well.
Speaker 2: But I don't remember everything and how they may have
Speaker 2: changed the show, but I do remember we went to Anguilla,
Speaker 2: and I remember her and Fhader started out as friends.
Speaker 2: Kenya and Phager started out as I thought, cool in
Speaker 2: the beginning, and then somehow it took a turn with
Speaker 2: Apollo being involved, and I remember thinking that this is
Speaker 2: a moment when King it just somehow just went into
Speaker 2: twirl and twirl and twirl, And I was standing there
Speaker 2: looking like, what the hell just happened, because it just
Speaker 2: kind of like came out of no when she was
Speaker 2: just torn around, and I thought to him myself, what
Speaker 2: damn just she's doing?
Speaker 3: And so that was really different.
Speaker 2: And I remember I was the one sitting with Porsche
Speaker 2: when she was her and King and never clicked from
Speaker 2: the moment ago And I remember her telling me, you know,
Speaker 2: it was two hundred and sixty five days a year,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, I just thought, you know,
Speaker 2: for me, it was like what are we in?
Speaker 3: These girls? Kenya is twirling and she.
Speaker 2: Thinks it's two hundred and sixty five days and a year.
Speaker 2: It was just really different for me. And then I
Speaker 2: remember meeting her husband. Cordell was Porsia's husband at the time,
Speaker 2: and I didn't think that I felt like he held
Speaker 2: Porsche back a lot.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Fast forward, if you remember me and Candy and a
Speaker 2: few of us. I remember the producers saying that after
Speaker 2: this season they didn't want to really have Porsche back
Speaker 2: because she started to go. They did not want to
Speaker 2: have her back. And I often think that people forget,
Speaker 2: And I said, but Porsche, I'm just saying that sometimes
Speaker 2: I think people forget, they really forget.
Speaker 3: The producer were really like, no to Porsche.
Speaker 1: I can't confirm right now that Porsche is on the
Speaker 1: chopping block.
Speaker 2: She was.
Speaker 1: I was brought back to produce season five reunion, just
Speaker 1: the reunion, and I remember telling the producers I'm talking
Speaker 1: as a viewer. I like Porsche. I think she's great.
Speaker 1: I don't think you guys should get rid of her.
Speaker 1: Porsche was one hundred percent on the chopping block.
Speaker 2: She was, and so Candy and I and I can't
Speaker 2: remember there was anyone that I know it.
Speaker 3: Was Candy and I.
Speaker 2: We called and talked to production and the network about
Speaker 2: keeping Porsche because Porsche was going through a divorce and
Speaker 2: we were like, you guys, can't get rid of her
Speaker 2: right now. I mean, she really needs to show. Just
Speaker 2: let us stay and see how it works. And we
Speaker 2: went to full on beat for Porsche and your state
Speaker 2: on the show. And you know, sometimes people forget who
Speaker 2: goes for back for the money because that was a
Speaker 2: bag because you were out.
Speaker 1: No, she was on the topic block and now too.
Speaker 1: So I was the executive producer season six, and I
Speaker 1: was like fighting for portion. I said, Porch is great,
Speaker 1: we need her on the show. Season six is in
Speaker 1: the Guinness Book of Rod Records for being the highest
Speaker 1: rated season ever on Bravo. And we reach, bitch close
Speaker 1: to five million viewers, which is insane. Season six had
Speaker 1: five million.
Speaker 2: What season was that?
Speaker 1: Season six?
Speaker 2: Season six? This is season what fifteen and a five hundred?
Speaker 2: That's a different iniment. Wow, what a big difference. Okay,
Speaker 2: five million, five hundred.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that in second, baby, So season six
Speaker 1: is the highest rate, said, let's just sit there for
Speaker 1: a second. Oh okay. On Carlos King Honey five millions
Speaker 1: to five hundred. That's a new tack line. Okay, so
Speaker 1: it was close to five million. Season six, we had Nini, Kenya, Candy, Phaedra,
Speaker 1: portion Cynthia till this day. To this day, people said,
Speaker 1: that's the best cast that the Real Housewives has ever seen,
Speaker 1: those six housewives. Do you Marlow was a friend and
Speaker 1: Marlow was a friend? Do you agree that when you
Speaker 1: think about seasons one to the time you were on
Speaker 1: that Season six cast was the strongest cast on the
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Atlanta?
Speaker 2: I agree? Tell me why I think at that moment,
Speaker 2: I feel like all of First of all, we had
Speaker 2: a lot of conflict.
Speaker 3: We had a lot.
Speaker 2: Of freaking conflict, and everybody was speaking their opinion, everybody
Speaker 2: was working. Everybody stepped up to their role. You know.
Speaker 2: Because the seasons went on, people start to not step up,
Speaker 2: but those that season, I feel like everybody stepped up.
Speaker 2: Everybody had a storyline. It was just a great time
Speaker 2: for all of us. It really was. No.
Speaker 1: It was my first time being the EP of the show.
Speaker 1: The show runner.
Speaker 2: Oh so oh I forgot and you were the EP. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's mainly why. Absolutely, listen, listen, I got the job.
Speaker 1: I'm the first executive producer who never had to interview
Speaker 1: for the job.
Speaker 2: Well, the interview, I mean you worked your way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They said to me, you knew all the girls.
Speaker 1: I knew all the girls, and I knew I knew
Speaker 1: the dynamics. And they all said to me, it is
Speaker 1: your job to revolutionize this show. And I said, well, damn, bitch,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to see if I'm able to like
Speaker 1: twelve with Kenyon for a second chip. But I digress. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Jesus is cavalong. I just finished your wedding special.
Speaker 1: We all collectively said, we're going to bring it, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, all of y'all were so happy
Speaker 1: I was the EP, and y'all all said to me,
Speaker 1: were also gonna make sure you look good, bitch, because
Speaker 1: I was the first black man to EP the show.
Speaker 1: Y'all was like, bitch, oh we go, We're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: We all together made that season of success. You and
Speaker 1: Kenya started off being cool and then some way, somehow
Speaker 1: it became destructive. A lot of people, Nini, feel that
Speaker 1: you were jealous of Kenya and that you were threatened
Speaker 1: by her becoming the star of the show, or that
Speaker 1: Kenya thought she was the star.
Speaker 2: I have never thought Keny was to start of the show. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm not even being shady, no, seriously, I mean I know,
Speaker 2: I mean honestly, I've never thought she was to start
Speaker 2: of the show ever.
Speaker 3: And I'm not even playing.
Speaker 2: I think Kenya is great on the show, and I
Speaker 2: think she is a great She was a great addition
Speaker 2: to the show when she came on, and I think
Speaker 2: the show needs Kenya, by the way, But I never
Speaker 2: saw her as the star of Real Housewives of Atlanta ever.
Speaker 1: Why not.
Speaker 2: I just didn't see her as the star of the show,
Speaker 2: and certainly she wasn't the star when I was there.
Speaker 2: And I'm just being for real, and I just never
Speaker 2: I just never saw that. I just haven't. No, i
Speaker 2: just haven't seen it. And I've never been threatened by
Speaker 2: any of the girls. In fact, I would go as
Speaker 2: far as to say, I believe I am one of
Speaker 2: the girls. I don't know about all the rest of them.
Speaker 2: I am one of the girls that felt like we
Speaker 2: all need to work hard to make this show great
Speaker 2: so that we can all get paid and get a check. Now,
Speaker 2: there was many of them that didn't to me that
Speaker 2: didn't feel that way. I felt like I needed to
Speaker 2: come to work. I would try to figure out whatever
Speaker 2: WHI y'all we need to need being I'm trying to
Speaker 2: help y'all. I want to figure it out. I want
Speaker 2: to show to succeed. Yeah, so I don't. I just
Speaker 2: some of these girls come out. They don't have no plans,
Speaker 2: they don't have no nothing, They're not try trying to
Speaker 2: do anything. They just kind of chilling. They getting a check.
Speaker 2: And I feel some kind of way about any chick
Speaker 2: that's on this show just getting a check when I
Speaker 2: am giving the blood out of my veins to make
Speaker 2: sure that this show is successful. So no shade to Kenya.
Speaker 2: I think she's great on the show, and I think
Speaker 2: she is much needed, but I've never seen her as
Speaker 2: the star of the show. And I have never once
Speaker 2: ever been threatened by not one woman they ever bring
Speaker 2: on this show. If anything, they are threatened by my presence?
Speaker 1: Was ken you threatened by your presence?
Speaker 2: Very possible, because I won't be backing down to any
Speaker 2: of these girls ever, not ever in life, on the show,
Speaker 2: off the show, around the show, behind the show, anytime,
Speaker 2: any place, anywhere.
Speaker 3: I'm never going to be backing down.
Speaker 1: So what happened on Pello Talk Pello Talk? Obviously you
Speaker 1: and your neglige ay Yes was strung up and down
Speaker 1: the hotel suite at the Intercontinental, and Kenya was late.
Speaker 1: And I want to break the fourth wall here. Kenya
Speaker 1: was late and you were frustrated because I don't think
Speaker 1: people know this. As the host of an event, the
Speaker 1: pressure is on you to make sure the event is
Speaker 1: good and let's be clear, to make sure that this
Speaker 1: shit gonna be used. And you bitches are about to
Speaker 1: embarrass me for my event, bitch, because I show up
Speaker 1: to y'all's so you have this pressure on you. Kenya
Speaker 1: was late, significantly late. She walked in her neglige ay
Speaker 1: you slammed the door. She said, hey Nina. You said, hey, bitch,
Speaker 1: She said you look good. You said you don't. She said,
Speaker 1: always look good. You said, you really think you look good,
Speaker 1: but you really don't. And then you're talking the butt.
Speaker 1: That was the start of the decline of your friendship.
Speaker 1: What frustrated you that day about Kenya being so late?
Speaker 2: I have you, guys know a lot of these girls
Speaker 2: are extremely late, not just Kenya, many of them are
Speaker 2: and that's very frustrating. If we have to be somewhere
Speaker 2: at four and everybody trickles in at six, it's just
Speaker 2: very upsetting. So you may have arrived very happy and
Speaker 2: ready to have a good time, but two hours later,
Speaker 2: sitting there waiting on everybody to arrive, you're like this,
Speaker 2: what's wrong with you? You know, I've been here since far,
Speaker 2: so I think it was that kind of energy towards her.
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure, but I can say this, I
Speaker 2: don't think he and I ever like clicked like we
Speaker 2: would like we like people think we should have. I
Speaker 2: don't think we ever had like that moment where we
Speaker 2: really like like uh, and when we did have times
Speaker 2: when we were cool, like if you remember she was
Speaker 2: living in like a hotel and I visited her and
Speaker 2: do you remember not I think talked about her refrigerator
Speaker 2: or this is the ghetto.
Speaker 3: Oh honey child, this is the ghetto child.
Speaker 1: White refrigerator.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I think that was probably one of
Speaker 2: the closest time we've ever been.
Speaker 3: I've liked her.
Speaker 2: I saw her recently too in Niema Marcus, and of
Speaker 2: course I said, hi, like, I don't you know, did
Speaker 2: y'all talk about nothing. We just high from Afar High High.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna go up and have a conversation.
Speaker 2: I would have. I mean, it wasn't like I wasn't
Speaker 2: against you know, I don't have any problem with these girls.
Speaker 2: But we just kind of said hey, and she went
Speaker 2: on her way and I went on my way. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just I don't think that we ever had the
Speaker 2: chance to do that, because when she came on the
Speaker 2: first season, I felt like she had an alliance with Phaedra,
Speaker 2: so and me and Faedia were kind of like bumping
Speaker 2: heads a little bit, but she was down with Phaedra,
Speaker 2: and then her and Phaedra ended up bumping heads, and
Speaker 2: then she started being a I'm not sure if it
Speaker 2: was Candy or who was. She kind of played with
Speaker 2: Candy a little bit but not a whole lot, and
Speaker 2: then her Candy got close like later down the line,
Speaker 2: and then she started coming from my best friend Cynthia,
Speaker 2: and so I just feel like we just never got
Speaker 2: a chance to like get like totally cool, like we
Speaker 2: like most people think that.
Speaker 1: We would have gotten what went wrong with you and
Speaker 1: Cynthia's friendship. Do you think people thinking Cynthia was and
Speaker 1: people saying you let Nini run over you. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: even Peter allegedly may have said those things to her too.
Speaker 1: Do you think the destruction of your friendship with Cynthia
Speaker 1: came because she let people get into her ear about you?
Speaker 2: I think Cynthia definitely let people get in her head,
Speaker 2: like a lot of girls. Even Marlowe was even at
Speaker 2: a point where she's like, oh, they think that you know,
Speaker 2: you know, like you, you know, telling me what to
Speaker 2: do about me around and you know. I feel like
Speaker 2: those girls wanted to have their own identity, which they did,
Speaker 2: but they would always let people get in their head
Speaker 2: like Nini is running this, Ninie is. And it wasn't
Speaker 2: even like that. It was like, we're friends and you
Speaker 2: know what our friendship is. Don't let somebody get in
Speaker 2: your head like you know, we cool. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: not running you. But I think they felt in their
Speaker 2: heart they need to prove it somehow. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I know that I loved Cynthia like she was my sister,
Speaker 2: had a great friendship, and I think people watching us
Speaker 2: probably felt like I may have been more of the
Speaker 2: leader in the friendship, or I may have been more
Speaker 2: of something. They just don't know.
Speaker 1: Sensia, Who is Cynthia behind the scenes that you wish
Speaker 1: people would see.
Speaker 2: Cynthia is quite different than she is on the scene. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that kid Cynthia is. She's not gonna let
Speaker 2: you run over her. So that's not possible for people
Speaker 2: thinking that she's being ran over, or for people thinking
Speaker 2: that she's quiet. She's very opinionated. She has a lot
Speaker 2: to say, and she stands up for herself.
Speaker 1: Why do you think she didn't want to show that
Speaker 1: from the camera, that's who she is.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of these girls that come on the
Speaker 2: show and they don't show who they are. Remember I
Speaker 2: made a conscious decision season one to just be who
Speaker 2: I am, right, and some of these girls come on
Speaker 2: and they just I don't know, they play with their head.
Speaker 2: They're like, I don't want to be seen that way,
Speaker 2: or my family would die if I was seeing that way,
Speaker 2: or my husband doesn't want me to do this. My
Speaker 2: boyfriend said, I can't do that, and so they just
Speaker 2: create some character. And I just think that Cynthia never
Speaker 2: wanted people to really see her be as she liked
Speaker 2: to say, fifty cents, Okay.
Speaker 1: Do you miss Cynthia?
Speaker 2: I missed the friendship that we had, because I feel
Speaker 2: like we had a really good friendship and I cherished
Speaker 2: my friendships, and I feel like, you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: it's hard to find really good friends and it's unfortunate
Speaker 2: what happened to our friendship.
Speaker 1: Well, why can't you guys rekindle?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 3: I don't think that will ever be possible.
Speaker 2: Why Because I just know some of the things that
Speaker 2: she has done behind the scenes that I just could
Speaker 2: never ever ever respect. Now that now I can't respect them.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean I couldn't work with her. I
Speaker 2: could work with her, but I can't respect some of
Speaker 2: the stuff that I know for searching that she did.
Speaker 1: Did she try to stop your bag as.
Speaker 3: Much as she was on camera saying I'm trying.
Speaker 2: To stop hers, She was definitely trying to stop mine.
Speaker 2: From Bravo, of course, from Bravo. I know a lot
Speaker 2: of things she did, honey. She was in an alliance too, honey.
Speaker 1: With producers or housewives.
Speaker 2: She was an alliance with housewives and behind the scene
Speaker 2: with producers.
Speaker 1: In network to get you off the show.
Speaker 3: I believe she tried.
Speaker 2: I think she had a hand in trying to get
Speaker 2: it done, really.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But what would how would that benefit her?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that some of these girls
Speaker 2: they feel like maybe if they do certain things, maybe
Speaker 2: they'll stay on the show longer, maybe they'll get other opportunities.
Speaker 2: But for me, I feel like where I think these
Speaker 2: group of girls go wrong at is if we all
Speaker 2: stuck together and held hands together so that we can
Speaker 2: all work and all eat together, we would all be
Speaker 2: better together. I feel like trying to push this person
Speaker 2: off the store show and push that person out for
Speaker 2: the show. Obviously, when we go places, people ask us
Speaker 2: who do you think should be on the show or
Speaker 2: who do you think shouldn't be on the show, and
Speaker 2: we all give our opinions. I mean, and we have
Speaker 2: the right to do that. But that's not saying I
Speaker 2: don't want the show to be successful and I don't
Speaker 2: want you to be successful. I might just be saying
Speaker 2: I don't think you're doing what you should be doing
Speaker 2: on the show, because we know together like who comes
Speaker 2: on the show and who's really doing something, who's really
Speaker 2: trying to put an event together, who's really trying to
Speaker 2: push the show forward. You guys have a lot of
Speaker 2: girls who are lacking, but the audience don't know that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. They're just looking at the show like, oh,
Speaker 2: we like her and Nini's again star.
Speaker 3: That's when it's like, that's that's one. It's just not
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, oh, I'm surprised to hear that, because the
Speaker 1: thing is she and you did have a real friendship.
Speaker 1: But I remember y'all calling me when can you have
Speaker 1: the masquerate ball? And you were like Carlos, she trying
Speaker 1: to play me. Was you syn them in three with me?
Speaker 1: Should you go? Should you not go? And you did
Speaker 1: show up to the mask of rat Ball. You said
Speaker 1: this epic line of it's amazing how many friends I
Speaker 1: haven't don't even know about it.
Speaker 2: Of course today it's amazing how many friends.
Speaker 3: I have and I don't even knew about it.
Speaker 1: So you were It saddens me where things are because
Speaker 1: I will say this on the record, you were the
Speaker 1: anchor of the show. You not to be disrespectful to
Speaker 1: the other girls because they know my heart and I
Speaker 1: don't know me, and to come across this way, they
Speaker 1: really did look up to you in the sense of
Speaker 1: what we're going to do. See, I didn't feel that though,
Speaker 1: Oh I can I can say to you. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something, I honestly didn't feel that.
Speaker 2: I always felt like, you know, I always felt like
Speaker 2: I wasn't supported on the show. This is just my feelings.
Speaker 2: I honestly felt like I wasn't supported the way I
Speaker 2: felt that I should have been supported from the girls,
Speaker 2: from production, from everybody now, and I could be looking
Speaker 2: at it totally wrong. I just felt like I didn't
Speaker 2: get the support that I should have gotten and deserved
Speaker 2: in every kind of way. I just don't feel like
Speaker 2: I got that kind of support because at one point
Speaker 2: on the show, I was the only original you know,
Speaker 2: Kim was only there for whenever she was there. I
Speaker 2: was the only original girl on the show. And I
Speaker 2: felt like everybody came on the show or whatever the
Speaker 2: plot was, every new person come on the show and
Speaker 2: come for Nini.
Speaker 3: Everybody come for Nini, everybody go out to Ninni.
Speaker 2: And that is just tired at some point, and it's tiring,
Speaker 2: and it's also not fair to be the person that
Speaker 2: everybody is jumping on and villainizing, and it doesn't feel
Speaker 2: good to be in that position every single time.
Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting because I always saw you as this
Speaker 1: anchor and the Queen Bee. And again that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: the other girls are lesser. Now, I want to make
Speaker 1: that clear. You were the queen be of the show,
Speaker 1: and you were the face of the show. And at
Speaker 1: one point in time, Miani, you arguably was the most
Speaker 1: famous black reality start in the world.
Speaker 3: Not at one time, at this very.
Speaker 1: Moment, No, no, no, no, you.
Speaker 3: Still are seeing her. If she's out there, where is she?
Speaker 1: Well, Tammy Romes says, hi, but hey tamby eating offs.
Speaker 2: Hey, Tammy girl, calm me and we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: We love to have, you know, all jumps aside the
Speaker 1: face of black reality TV, in the face of reality television.
Speaker 1: White women love you, Oh of course.
Speaker 2: I mean you go anywhere without people stopping me, black, white, old,
Speaker 2: young children, everybody.
Speaker 1: Honestly, you were also in network shows. Ryan Murphy loves You,
Speaker 1: befrobably finished. How is your relationship today with Ryan Murphy?
Speaker 2: I haven't seen Ryan in forever, but there's nothing but
Speaker 2: love there. I saw him a few years ago, and
Speaker 2: of course we loved each other up and hugged and
Speaker 2: all those things. But I haven't seen him in a
Speaker 2: very long time.
Speaker 1: Is there anything that happened between the two of you, Okay.
Speaker 2: Never anything. Okay, I've never had a problem ever.
Speaker 3: Let's be very clear.
Speaker 2: I've never had a problem ever on any show that
Speaker 2: I've ever worked on before. Ever. This Is Housewives is
Speaker 2: the only show that they tried to give me the reputation.
Speaker 2: But I've never My thing, and I've always spoken about
Speaker 2: it publicly, is to show up at work.
Speaker 3: I don't need anything.
Speaker 2: I'm not one of those talents that show up on
Speaker 2: set and I need this chicken wings and a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of drinks, Roses, eminem, peanuts.
Speaker 3: All cart service, all these kinds.
Speaker 2: I don't need any of that. I need some water
Speaker 2: and my check and that's all I need. Honey. I
Speaker 2: show up, I do what you asked me to do,
Speaker 2: and goodbye, and that's it for me. So there's no
Speaker 2: reason for anybody on any set to have any issue
Speaker 2: with me. Come, I purposely be going said and be like,
Speaker 2: don't say that shit up.
Speaker 3: Okay, y'all they.
Speaker 2: Calling for us.
Speaker 3: Let's go hurry up, glam let's get on set.
Speaker 2: You know. I try to be on time with these people.
Speaker 2: I don't try to do anything. I don't want to
Speaker 2: cause no problems. That's the first thing. I feel like
Speaker 2: they want to be able to say, is that become
Speaker 2: another black girl causing problems?
Speaker 3: So I don't want to be heard.
Speaker 1: Why did you feel the need to sue? Bravo, NBC
Speaker 1: and any caror Baby. Part two of my exclusive interview
Speaker 1: with Nini Leeks drops next Tuesday, August first, at nine
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