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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King,

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Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most

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Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten

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Speaker 1: years a production experience. Once a week from Reality with

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Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the

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Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows, every visit unforgettable

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Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. This

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Speaker 1: has been years in the making. Yes, you have been

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Speaker 1: my most requested guest, so I started the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yes, people requested me everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Now everywhere, and I wanted to make sure it was

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Speaker 1: special when you came on the podcast. And one thing

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Speaker 1: I appreciate about you and I want the world to

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Speaker 1: know this MEMI is the one who said I want

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Speaker 1: to come on your podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm ready because you asked me in the past.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I've asked in the past. She said, I'm not

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Speaker 1: ready yet. And our friendship is not predicated on an

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Speaker 1: interview now at all. You mean the world to me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Okay, don't do that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I no, no, no, no, listen, I gotta

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Speaker 1: get this out before we start. You mean the world

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Speaker 1: to me. You really do and I can't. I don't

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Speaker 1: have the emotional capacity to express to you right now

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Speaker 1: how much you mean to me. I adore you, I

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Speaker 1: love you. The first day we met, we clicked. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you had a quick weave and I had a ball faid.

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Speaker 1: We were both broke, but we were rich in happiness.

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Speaker 2: That's what I used to say a happy day.

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Speaker 1: We were both struggling.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say broke because I was living in good

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Speaker 2: but we were making me was paycheck to paycheck, honey.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we were making It's me but all just aside.

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Speaker 1: I want to say thank you for coming on reality

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Speaker 1: with the King. You made it on my list, yes,

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Speaker 1: no surprise, the number one greatest housewife of all time.

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Speaker 1: You built the Real Housewives franchise on your back, on

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Speaker 1: your eyelashes, your fingernail and your lace front. And at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, and I'm going to say

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Speaker 1: this publicly, there will not be a Real Housewives franchise

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Speaker 1: if it wasn't for you building the house that we

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Speaker 1: call the Real Housewives Atlanta. And you may not get

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Speaker 1: that every day, or you may not get that from

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Speaker 1: somebody who started day one with you. And I want

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Speaker 1: to use my platform to let the world know you

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Speaker 1: literally literally, you are the reason while we're able to

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Speaker 1: enjoy the franchise that we watched today. So I wanted

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Speaker 1: you to know that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: She has manam Applaus for Lee. First question though, is this,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: I am doing really well. I have come a long

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Speaker 2: ways because the first time you reached out to me

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Speaker 2: and asked me to come on the show, I said,

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Speaker 2: I'm not ready right now, I would have not been

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Speaker 2: good on the show. Today, I feel like I'm in

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Speaker 2: a very good place. I'm happy. I could always be happier,

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Speaker 2: but I'm very happy, and I'm comfortable, and I'm okay.

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Speaker 3: I'm really okay.

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Speaker 1: No you, I bet you look good?

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you?

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Speaker 1: Can we start there?

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Speaker 2: Are well? Okay? I feel good.

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Speaker 1: No, you look amazing, And I do want to go

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Speaker 1: back to the first day we met. This was two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight. I left New York City. Yes, I'm

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Speaker 1: a friend of mine named Joy said, little girl, there's

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to go to Atlanta. My African was living

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta at the time, and she said it may

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Speaker 1: be called the Real Hospitals of Atlanta. Do you want

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Speaker 1: to do it? Because she knew I loved reality television,

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Speaker 1: and I said, of course. And what people don't know

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Speaker 1: is as producers, you're a sign a reality star.

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Speaker 3: Yes who are?

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Speaker 1: And I was assigned you and Deshaun Snow, Yes you were.

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Speaker 1: And the first day I met you, I was enamored

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Speaker 1: with everything that you possessed. You were the quintessential star

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Speaker 1: and the first thing you said to me was Hey, bitch,

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Speaker 1: hag girl, Welcome to my house, bitch, and we instantly clicked.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that season that this show was going

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Speaker 1: to be the biggest Bravo show that has ever been

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Speaker 1: star that Bravo has ever seen?

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Speaker 2: No? No, I didn't know. I didn't even know what

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Speaker 2: we were doing, and I don't think a lot of

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Speaker 2: us did, did you. I don't think we were just

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Speaker 2: kind of like floating around. I remember, like three weeks

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Speaker 2: into filming, I said to myself at home, like I

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Speaker 2: not being myself that I am now gonna go on

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Speaker 2: I think that's when everything took a turn. It was

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Speaker 2: like three weeks of shooting, and I said, I don't

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Speaker 2: I wasn't myself. And I went home and I said,

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Speaker 2: the only way I'm gonna be able to do this

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Speaker 2: is that I just be nany leaks one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Just act like I act, talk the way I talk,

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Speaker 2: you know, do stuff the way I do it, and

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Speaker 2: that's the only way it's gonna work. And I just

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Speaker 2: came and started doing what I do and just talk

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Speaker 2: how I talk. And I was afraid to do that

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Speaker 2: because I thought people would be looking at me like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: she got a she's originally from Queens and luck we

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Speaker 2: see York with the Southern twain because I lived in

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Speaker 2: Georgia for so long since I was a kid, and

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Speaker 2: I just thought people wouldn't like the way that I

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Speaker 1: Were you afraid that people call you ghetto?

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Speaker 3: I was never afraid of that.

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Speaker 2: It was just that I just felt like I didn't

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Speaker 2: have maybe the flare that some of the other girls had. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: these girls like Deshaun Snow was living in a fifteen

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm over here living in.

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Speaker 2: My little five thousand square foot place at the time,

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Speaker 2: and charais living in a twelve thousand square foot house with.

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Speaker 1: A broken gate, Yeah, with a broken gate.

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Speaker 2: And Kim Zosiak was living off a big papa at

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Speaker 2: the time with all of her bracelets on. And so

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Speaker 2: I felt like, well, dang, you know what am I

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Speaker 2: going to just be me and we'll just see how

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Speaker 2: that works.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this to you. The first day I knew

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Speaker 1: the show was a hit was we were at Charae's

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Speaker 1: house filming Chari's birthday party. Yes, and your arrived with

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Speaker 1: Kim after checking closed at the shell gas station and

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Speaker 1: we're filming, and you walked up to get in the house,

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Speaker 1: and the executive producer at the time, Kenny Hally, Hey.

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Speaker 2: Kenny, Hey Kenny.

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Speaker 1: You were like, hey, bitch, I got my little black

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Speaker 1: dress off, popping lips, buzzing. You walked up in the

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Speaker 1: house and got rejected from entering, and you broke the

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Speaker 1: fourth wall. You were the first person to break the

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Speaker 1: fourth wall. And you said, I'm a housewife. You see

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Speaker 1: these cameras following me, bitch, I need to be here,

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Speaker 1: and the security guard was like, I was told, if

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Speaker 1: you're not on the list, you you could not come in.

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Speaker 1: And you went Ham and Cheese and then y'all went

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Speaker 1: to a restaurant called Twists afterwards, unless your ray have it.

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Speaker 1: That was a moment I knew this show was going

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Speaker 1: to be a hit. Charay has admitted since then on

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Speaker 1: my podcast that she that she did purposely leave you

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Speaker 2: I know she did.

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Speaker 1: Now that you know that, what would you like to

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Speaker 2: Nothing, not a thing. Why would I give her any pointers?

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Speaker 2: You know? That's probably the best thing she did was

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Speaker 2: leave me off of the list, honestly, Like you said,

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Speaker 2: the show became like huge from that moment forward. But

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Speaker 2: I always knew she purposely left me off the list.

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Speaker 3: I always knew.

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Speaker 2: She purposely left me out the list. Now the question

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Speaker 2: would be why why leave me off the list? Honey?

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Speaker 2: Without me, there's no you.

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Speaker 1: Well, she said that you two weren't getting along at

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Speaker 1: the time, and that she was, you know, following her

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Speaker 1: own reality. She was pressured by the producers to invite you,

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Speaker 1: and she felt like this is my home, I sanctuary

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Speaker 1: and if me and this girl are getting along, she

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a good thing that she was following her

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Speaker 2: own reality, which has taken her not far.

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Speaker 3: But it was the best thing she could have ever done.

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Speaker 2: Is left me off the list. I became bigger than ever.

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Speaker 2: So I appreciate that moment, Charay, Thank you. Do you

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Speaker 2: like Charain? You know, I don't dislike Charae, But for

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Speaker 2: some at one point, Sharay and I were like really

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Speaker 2: I would hang out of her house, Greg and I

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Speaker 2: would go to the game with her, and Bob was

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Speaker 2: playing football at the time. For some reason, I'm not

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Speaker 2: I'm really not sure why. I do feel like once

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Speaker 2: and she was on and off the show for many seasons,

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Speaker 2: and the truth is I was the show and it

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Speaker 2: just felt like all of them just kind of turned

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Speaker 2: when she wants to. We've had a good time together.

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Speaker 2: She's a Capricorn, I'm a Sagittarist. We always have gotten along,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the past, before the cameras ever started rolling.

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Speaker 2: Once the camera started rolling, our friendship just became nothing.

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Speaker 1: Are you surprised that fifteen years later, Charay is the

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Speaker 3: I don't know about the last standing.

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Speaker 2: She's the last one they could get on the show,

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Speaker 2: and so I mean there was nowhere else to go.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's the people that were the

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Speaker 2: stars of the show. You know, we're literally me and

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Speaker 2: Kim Zosia.

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Speaker 1: And you don't think Nini, Kim and Charae were the stars.

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Speaker 2: I think Charay play her role or play her part

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Speaker 2: in the show. I think I just don't think the

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Speaker 2: network of the production company really valued her that much.

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Speaker 2: They felt like, we don't really need her that much.

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Speaker 2: I mean, she's not the most exciting person in the world,

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Speaker 2: but she has her little, you know parts that she

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Speaker 2: do on the show. That's whatever. But your question, again,

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Speaker 2: I have become very computer. What was the question.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's go back to season one. Did you

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Speaker 1: feel like you started off being the underdog.

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Speaker 2: That's the that's the word the underdogs. So it came

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Speaker 2: out together. Of course I was the underdog the first season.

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Speaker 2: I was the underdog. I wasn't sure if I would

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Speaker 2: be liked. I think Charae, along with Kim and the

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Speaker 2: rest of the girls, thought, oh please, they're gonna love us,

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Speaker 2: you know, and they're not gonna like her, and it

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Speaker 2: just didn't work like that.

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Speaker 3: They loved me and didn't like them.

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Speaker 1: Did you develop an ego after season one of their

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Speaker 1: housepots of Atlanta?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't.

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Speaker 1: Why, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think all these things started. So for instance, when

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Speaker 2: Saying at Hartwell at heartwell, I was really with Greg

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Speaker 2: Everything we talked about and did was real. When we

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Speaker 2: And then I think once Kenya came on the show,

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Speaker 2: saying at that moment it was, it started to be

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Speaker 2: We just showed up to work and just was filming

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Speaker 3: Why don't have a freaking date?

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Speaker 2: So then shoot that I don't have a day, opposed

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Speaker 2: not into just the police production. Why don't you guys

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Speaker 2: to change right about then? Can you go with us

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Speaker 1: season five? So okay, season four was South Africa and

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Speaker 1: mar it was you, Charree, Cynthia, Phedra Candy. Yeah, mama

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Speaker 3: It was Marlow, Marlow went to Africa Marlow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then Kim Kim was sell on the show.

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Speaker 2: when things started to change, right about.

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Speaker 1: This in a negative way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like people started to create storylines and

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Speaker 2: I think reality shows are exactly what it says reality

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Speaker 3: I think she showed her.

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Speaker 2: They are exactly you said, So those things, to me

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Speaker 1: I never thought about it that way.

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Speaker 3: That's how I feel about it.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, when we first started, all

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Speaker 2: they were really happening in our lives. I think season

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Speaker 2: check because you know, the first two three season we

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Speaker 1: Honey, how much did you make your first season of

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Speaker 1: Atlanta house I think my.

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Speaker 2: First season on Housewives, I made ten thousand total total.

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Speaker 1: Wait a second, you filmed for three months on the

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Speaker 3: Ten thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Now I believe if I'm not mistaken, then I can

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Speaker 3: New one twenty.

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Speaker 2: We did a reunion and I think they gave us

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Speaker 2: So for all the people, there's a lot of people

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Speaker 2: what they're talking about. Season one, we didn't make any money.

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Speaker 2: We filmed that show and it was we knocked it

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Speaker 2: we didn't get anything. I want to say Season two

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Speaker 1: Season two, Season two fifty and then season three is

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Speaker 2: We moved to an attorney. All of us came together,

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Speaker 1: And you Chemischer made the same. Season three, Yeah, gotcha.

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Speaker 2: It was maybe at the most one point fifty we

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Speaker 2: Do you understand those first three years, Yes, and we

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Speaker 1: Now okay, yeah, wow, I didn't know that. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that. Do you think you getting underpaid was because

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Speaker 1: you just didn't know. Yes, just didn't know very much.

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Speaker 2: So and also when they say housewivese we all were

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Speaker 3: Out of our pockets.

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Speaker 1: Going back to season three, So the first two seasons,

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Speaker 1: Season one, you guys were mentioned on Saturday Night Live.

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Speaker 1: This show was a pop culture Phenomenon season three came in,

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Speaker 1: you had Cynthia and Peter in addition to Phadrian Apollo.

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. You were told to hang out

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So the producers showed me they were looking

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Speaker 3: They love for me to go out with her.

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Speaker 2: She and I decided to go out to like a

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Speaker 2: oh my god, oh my god, this is sneemy leaks,

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Speaker 2: and and we went to find Do you know who

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Speaker 2: she was? I did not. I'd never heard of her

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Speaker 2: before she was a supermodel. I still had not heard

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Speaker 1: Okay, she was on the Cosby Show too.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see it. Okay, y'all try it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you she saw.

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Speaker 2: This is the truth. I believe you.

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Speaker 1: So you so so. Cynthia Belly the supermodel. She was

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Speaker 2: Met you and rightly so okay, So how did I

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Speaker 1: Papa does and Papa does?

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Speaker 3: We clicked.

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Speaker 2: I liked her. I think she liked me. I felt

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Speaker 2: When I met Peter, I thought too much, too much,

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Speaker 2: he was doing it too much. I was like, oh, okay,

440
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: I see why y'all like Cynthia now because he was

441
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 2: turned up. You know, he had like a club in

442
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 2: downtown Atlanta, I think it's called Uptown or something like that,

443
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 2: and he was just extremely like aggressive to me and

444
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 2: just you know, loud, and I was just like, oh

445
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 2: my god, like Cynthia is you know, this is her guy?

446
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I got why they liked Cynthia because

447
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 2: Peter was extra.

448
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: If Cynthia was not with Peter Thomas, would she have

449
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: been a housewife.

450
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: I don't think so, I don't. I just don't think

451
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 2: not that she couldn't because I know Cynthia. I know

452
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: the Cynthia in front of the camera, and I know

453
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: Cynthia that's not on camera, and so I feel like,

454
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: definitely the Cynthia that's not on camera has the strength

455
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 2: and she's vocal enough to be on the show for

456
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: sure without Peter. But on camera, I felt like she

457
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 2: never really wanted to show that side of her because

458
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: of listen, Cynthia can she can read and she can.

459
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 3: Now I'm the one that told you.

460
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 2: Guys on camera, I said, no, no, no, no, no, no,

461
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: Cynthia doesn't read honey. Cynthia reads honey. And so I

462
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 2: know Cynthia and I know what she does. So yes,

463
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 2: Cynthia's pretty fire. And let me tell you, she put

464
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: Peter in his place many days.

465
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I've been witness of that. She would cuss

466
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Speaker 1: Peter out.

467
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: Yes she would, and people would be like, oh, Peter,

468
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: she just running over Cynthia. Cynthia, who that's not the

469
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 2: Citia we know?

470
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: Pick him out the house.

471
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 3: Yes, Cynthia would get me the together.

472
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,959
Speaker 1: Yes, he had to sleep at bar one over, get

473
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 1: him together.

474
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: I know Cynthia very well.

475
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: When you saw Peter, this chocolate gorgeous man, were you

476
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: ever attracted to Peter?

477
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: Never? Never attracted to Peter, never had any I don't

478
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: think we. I think people wanted to think that Peter

479
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 2: and I like had some sort of attraction. We never

480
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 2: had anything. If anything. It was more like I don't

481
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 2: like you and he was pretty much like I don't

482
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 2: like you. We kind of more like bumped heads more

483
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 2: than like saw I to eye and we still do

484
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 2: that today.

485
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Phaser came on this season with a poll up.

486
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: This is season three. Yes, did you think Faser was

487
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 1: good for the show starting out?

488
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: No?

489
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: But listen, I mean listen. It's not like they should

490
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: listen to me. Honestly, you know I started on the

491
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: show not on day one. I shot the pilot for

492
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,479
Speaker 2: Real Housewives of Atlanta, So I feel like I shot

493
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 2: season one and then shot season one again. Because we

494
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: actually shot a whole pilot shopped at which people have

495
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: never seen before, and then we started the season one

496
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: with new girls, which were it was Me, Charay and

497
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: Kim always in the pilot, and then we started with

498
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: Deshaun and Lisa, but in the pilot.

499
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 3: Deshon and Lisa.

500
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: Were not in our pilot that we shot. So I

501
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: think that when you hear me talk about the show,

502
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 2: I talk about the show in a more personal way

503
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 2: because I feel more connected to it and I feel

504
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: more like, you know, like it's my baby. And I

505
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: always from day one one to see the show win,

506
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 2: and I wanted to see us succeed, and I wanted

507
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 2: to see all of us make money and things like that.

508
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: So when certain people were coming around the show, obviously

509
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: I had my personal opinions about it, and they were

510
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 2: just my opinions. I didn't make the decisions. No, when

511
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: I saw Phaede, I didn't think that she was right

512
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: for the show. I had known favor from back in Athens,

513
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: and I felt some kind of way that she was

514
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: coming on the show. Why I just did again it

515
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: was my baby, and I just felt like, what is

516
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: she doing here?

517
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: You didn't feel like she deserved to be a housewife

518
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 1: because the Real Housewives of Atlanta, and let's really talk

519
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: about this for real, the Real Housewives of Atlanta was

520
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: It was a privilege to be a part of that show,

521
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: and all of the girls in Atlanta wanted to be

522
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: a part of it. It did and a lot of yeah,

523
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: this is no disrespect. There's a lot of thirsty people

524
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and when we were at parties and events,

525
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: they would fight for camera time. These people who never

526
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: were even cast to be on the show. It was

527
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: very privileged to be a part of it. Do you

528
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: feel like Phaedra did not represent at that time what

529
00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: the show was about.

530
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't even that. I think that back to

531
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: what you were saying, we were being talked about everywhere

532
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: with a lot of people don't understand when the Real

533
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: Housewives of Atlanta are unsembled lunch.

534
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: There was no love and hip hop.

535
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 2: There was no Basketball wives, no Hollywood exits, no Braxton shows,

536
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: no none of that. We were the first black ensemble

537
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: in a very long time that had hit television. You know.

538
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: Prior to that, they had Flavor of Love and whatever.

539
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 2: All those shows were those kind of shows. But those

540
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: shows had fizzled out. Those shows weren't on. The things

541
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: that were on were like the Osbournes.

542
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: And things like that.

543
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Hills, the Kardashians were not on yet, and

544
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: I think that people really forget when they look back.

545
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: We launched that reality platform and held that door open

546
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: for all of these Black Unsemble shows to walk in

547
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: that door. There was never any of them before there

548
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 2: was us. We were first and people everybody wanted to

549
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: be and we were shooting all over Atlanta. Everybody was

550
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: talking about us, from Ellen Degenereses to Oprah Winfree to

551
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,479
Speaker 2: Gail to everybody you can think of.

552
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 3: Jimmy found They.

553
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: All talked about fure Maxazine, I was everybody was talking

554
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 2: about the Real Housewives of Atlanta. And so again, it

555
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: was a privilege to be on this show. And so

556
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: I always felt some kind of way when certain girls

557
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 2: were like, oh, I want to be on Housewives, I

558
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: was like, you know, what's she coming over here for? Like,

559
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 2: we worked so hard, you know, to We started out

560
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: with one van, and so we were so hard and

561
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 2: we got multiple bands and camera crews. We didn't have

562
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: any of that stuff to start with.

563
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: And so I'm telling you we were a low budget production.

564
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: We were, and so when I saw Page, I was like,

565
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: she's from Athens, Like, what is she doing up here?

566
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 3: I'm from Athenes. She don't come over here and try

567
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 3: to steal my thought.

568
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: You know.

569
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: I just felt like I was just protecting, you know,

570
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: my area and my space.

571
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: She was a high powered attorney, she was.

572
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I just didn't feel that way. I do know

573
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: that she's a high powered attorney. I know she's super funny.

574
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: I like Favor a lot, But I'm just saying at

575
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: that time, at that moment, I was just like, no,

576
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: she shouldn't be here.

577
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: Obviously, Like you said earlier, you started out being real,

578
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: being yourself. You and Greg may he rest in peace.

579
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: You know, I love him, call him dad all the time.

580
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: Hey father, You guys gave so much to the show,

581
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: gave so much to it. You have Bryson and brand

582
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: you gave and your auntie who raised you. T T T.

583
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: Yes.

584
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: Do you regret putting your family business on the show.

585
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: I'm a reality show, I'm a TV personality, right and

586
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: I try to give everything I can give and I

587
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: just don't see no other way of doing it. But

588
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: there are certain things that I do regret. Okay, I

589
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: do regret. I disciplined. My son wants on camera that

590
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: everybody goes back and say over, no, you don't.

591
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 3: Lost your damn mind. You know, like that really hurt.

592
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: My son's feelings, and I, you know, I don't want

593
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: to hurt my children in the process of doing something

594
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: that I want to do, so I wish I could

595
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: take that moment back. And I also when Greg and

596
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: I went through our divorce, I wish that we hadn't

597
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: put so much out there because we ended up getting

598
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: back together. And when we were getting back together, we

599
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: both were feeling kind of awkward, like, Okay, well we're

600
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: going to tell people that we back together because we

601
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: went through a whole divorce and you know, said all

602
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: kinds of shit. So yeah, there are certain things that

603
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: I wish I had not put out there, but they

604
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: out there that.

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Speaker 1: the show. Bryceon was recently in the news yes with

624
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: alleged things of fentanyl, alleging that he got caught by

625
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: the cops and said his name was Brent Leaks. How

626
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: is Bryson doing.

627
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: I spoke to him on the phone. I think he's

628
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Speaker 2: doing okay. He needs rehabilitation. He needs a lot of counseling.

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Speaker 2: Like many families out there, I have family members that

630
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: are struggling with drugs and certain addictions, and he has

631
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: an addiction. He's been struggling with it for years. He's

632
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: been in rehab for a couple of times and he

633
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: still have come back out and relapsed. I have a

634
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: brother that's an attic. I have a close cousin that's

635
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: an addict. So unfortunately for us, our family, there's just

636
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: been certain people that have been addicted to certain things

637
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: and it's a real struggle. And as a mom, just

638
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: to watch it is my hands are tied.

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Speaker 1: You know.

640
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: He is thirty one years old, he's an adult. He

641
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: has three children, three beautiful children who I adore. He

642
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: has a wife. It's not much that I can do

643
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: for people who have had children or family members that

644
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: have been on drugs.

645
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: They know that they have to be ready. They have

646
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: to simply be ready.

647
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Speaker 2: You know, I've spent so much money on trying to

648
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: get Bryson, you know where he needs to be. But

649
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: every time I've sent him off, it is because I said,

650
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: you are getting your ass up and we are sending

651
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Speaker 2: you off. But I learned through canceling myself that he

652
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: has to say I am ready to go, not me

653
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 2: making him go. So until Bryson is ready to make

654
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: a change.

655
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Speaker 3: It's nothing I can do as a mother.

656
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: I will never wash my hands of my child, right,

657
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: but I'm kind of numb to it because it's been

658
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: happening for so many years. I'm just really kind of

659
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: numb to the situation.

660
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: And do you think so? I want to go deep

661
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: here in terms of kids being raised under the guise

662
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: of television, whether it's acting, reality TV, singing. Obviously your

663
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: children were brought up on reality television, being famous because

664
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: their mom is famous. Yes, Do you think Bryson being

665
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: famous and dealing with being on television, all those things

666
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: affected his ability to be the adult you wanted him

667
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: to be. Did to contribute to the drug usage and

668
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: those things.

669
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: You know, I don't have to say I don't think

670
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: it helped, but I wouldn't say this the sole cause

671
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: of it. It certainly didn't help because we started on

672
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: television when Bryson was like in the eleventh or twelfth

673
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: grade and Brent was in third grade, And so they're

674
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: having to be in a light shine, a light shine

675
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: on them that they did not ask for. Like I

676
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: grew up in high school, I just grew up, and

677
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: I made all my mistakes and I didn't have to

678
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: worry about people picking them apart. Well, they people are

679
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: picking them apart because of the job that I chose

680
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 2: to do, and so I feel for them in that way.

681
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: But there's just issues that he has. And I don't

682
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: know addiction, because I don't have an addiction, you know,

683
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: I just know from what people have said to me.

684
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: So I don't think it has one hundred percent to

685
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: do with it, but it certainly does not help it

686
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: being in the public guide.

687
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: Did being on TV affect your marriage to Greg?

688
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: Yes, it affected my marriage to Greg, because again Greg

689
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: loved me for me and he knew me for who

690
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: I was. And also my husband was the breadwinner. In

691
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: my case, I wasn't working and he made the money.

692
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 2: And once I started to make more money than him,

693
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: he started looking at me like sideways, like oh, who

694
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: she thinks she is? Because I no longer had to

695
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: ask him for money, I no longer had to ask

696
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 2: him for anything. If I wanted to go and buy

697
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: the lady's bag, I just going by the lady's bag.

698
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: And so I think that I pulled some of his

699
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: strength or his power or something. I don't know it,

700
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: just as a man It didn't make him feel great

701
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: that I was making more money than him.

702
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. The thing is this, and I want

703
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: to talk about how women who are the breadwinner become

704
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: the bread winner after being married for so long. And

705
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: the foundation was the man took care of me and

706
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: the household. The rose reversed. It's difficult for a man

707
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: to accept that, and we're seeing that on a lot

708
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: of reality TV shows and even with celebrities. Greg had

709
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: a very hard time dealing with the fact that you

710
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: no longer had to ask permission for stuff, and that

711
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: not only were you able to do your own thing,

712
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: you were able to do it in a grand scale,

713
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: which is very unique. Hindsight is twenty twenty. Do you think,

714
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: as you were going through this you are masculating him

715
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: in any way?

716
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: I probably did. I probably did not intentionally, I probably did.

717
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: You know, my mouth probably was smarter, you know, I

718
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 2: probably was up in his face a little bit tougher

719
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: because you know, I could take care of myself. So

720
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: I probably did in many ways.

721
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, one thing.

722
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: My husband, excuse me, Greg is from Atlanta, born and raised,

723
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: and he is the true definition of an og and

724
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: so he felt like his role as the husband and

725
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: the head of the household was to take care of

726
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: his family, and in a sense, I took some of

727
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: that role away from him.

728
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 3: Greg is old school.

729
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: He's with opening up the door, and he's with all

730
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 2: the things that allowed the old school guys would do.

731
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: He's here for, you know, help raising.

732
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 2: His kids, and he's just an old school guy. And

733
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: me making more money than him and not needing him.

734
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: I literally did not need him at one point to

735
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: not even put a light bulb up. I would just

736
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 2: put it up myself where I called somebody to do it,

737
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: like I thought in my mind, I was just making

738
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 2: our life easier. But I was taking things rolls away

739
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: from him, as you know, the man the head of

740
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: the household.

741
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: And listen, I may get a lot of flack for this,

742
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: but it's fine, but I would love to get your opinion.

743
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: I do feel like when women start to make money,

744
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 1: unfortunately they start to emasculate their man in a very

745
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: subtle way and sometimes unintentionally. Every man wants to feel

746
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: like you need him, Yes they do. Every man wants

747
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: to feel wanted. Yes, I know a person who purposely

748
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: pretends like she does know how to do certain things

749
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: because she wants her man to feel like, you know,

750
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: oh you need me, and she makes more money than him,

751
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: but she does. You're like, oh my god, how do

752
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: I I have to put my card and drive?

753
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: I don't know how the time? Well, you know what

754
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 2: I mean.

755
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: It's certain things because she wants to feel like I

756
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: do need you. Do you feel like sometimes when a

757
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: woman makes more money than her man that they feel

758
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: they need to take on this boss role. And I'm

759
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: a boss and I'm independent and I don't need no man.

760
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: I feel like that's what happens and men get upset.

761
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: I don't think I felt that way. I honestly thought

762
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: I listen. I love love, I love a relationship. I

763
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 2: love to make my man feel great. I just didn't

764
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 2: know that I was taking those things away from him.

765
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: I wish I knew better. I just didn't know that

766
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: I was doing that. I do know better now, but

767
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: I did not know that I was doing that at all.

768
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: And when you were going through the divorce, I'll never

769
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: forget this. I was doing your interview. This is season four,

770
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: you and Greek are going through the divorce. A lot

771
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: of people assumed that Ninni got famous, she's rich, she's

772
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: on Celebrity Apprentice, she's doing it, and she wants to

773
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: see how the grass is green on the other side.

774
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna get that in a second. I remember

775
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: the day you on a life for a divorce and

776
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: I was with you, devastated. You were devastated. You called

777
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: me to your bedroom, and if you know Nini leaks,

778
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: you are not allowed to go to her bedroom or

779
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: her closet. As we've seen on season eleven, I think

780
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: she called me to her bedroom and you said Carlos

781
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: were divorced, and you were so sad, and you were devastated.

782
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: And I wanted people to know that, because you do

783
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: have this reputation of oh, she's this tough girl, very strong.

784
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: You were devastated that your marriage came to an official end.

785
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: And you said to me, do not tell anybody, and

786
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 1: I said, I will never and you said, I will

787
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: tell the producers myself. And you did it a week later.

788
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: And I kept her a secret for a week because

789
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: I knew that you have to allow a person to

790
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: go through the motions. When you were going through that,

791
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: what was going through your mind because people thought, Okay,

792
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: you're unhappy you're free, but you didn't feel free in

793
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: that moment.

794
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: I knew that people. I knew that people thought I

795
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 2: was a strong one and that I was the one

796
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 2: probably Boston Greg around, and I probably was the one

797
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: that was doing whatever it was. Greg and I relationship

798
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: is very much like Cynthia and Peter. Most people think

799
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: that it's Peter in any case with him and Cynthia,

800
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: and so most people thought it was me, But it

801
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 2: was actually very the opposite Greg. Although it was very quiet,

802
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 2: he was very strong, and people had no idea that Greg,

803
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: like Cynthia, could really gather you and get you really

804
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: together and then turn right around and smiled and be

805
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: like a hi. He was very nice, nasty when he

806
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: wanted to be, and he was like any other man.

807
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: He did things that me, being a wife, did not

808
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: appreciate her like. But I know everybody would think it

809
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: would be me. I was devastated getting a divorce. I

810
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: felt like I had to show Greg and teach him

811
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 2: a lesson. And the only lesson that Greg was gonna

812
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: get it was for me to divorce him. And I

813
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: was gonna have to carry it all the way through.

814
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: And when I carried it all the way through. I

815
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: would never forget. Greg called me on the phone. He said,

816
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: you bitch, you divorced me. And I like, cause Greg

817
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: could get you good, baby, will get you right in

818
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: a corner somewhere and gather you right up. He said,

819
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 2: you bitch, you divorced me, and I was like, I

820
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: had to show your ass. And so you know, our

821
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: relationship wasn't any different than any other couple. I was

822
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: devastated getting a divorce. I came from a home where

823
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: I didn't have my mother or my father in my life,

824
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: and I really wanted to have my kids in the

825
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: two parent household.

826
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: That's what I wanted.

827
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: But I also knew that I wanted to be happy,

828
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: and Greg and I were just at a crossroad where

829
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: we just couldn't see our way out of it at

830
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: the time.

831
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: You then started dating John.

832
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 2: Yes, I talked to John last night. Really, yes I did.

833
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: Oh is he he's doing?

834
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: But he actually called me about Bryce. He said, I

835
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: heard what happened to Bryce, and I just want you

836
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: to know that I will put him in a rehabilitation

837
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: center in New York and I will pay for it.

838
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: And what did you say?

839
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 3: Soon as he get.

840
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 2: Out grabbing take him also, you know, not just saying John,

841
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: I mean, but because we're talking about heim. But lamar

842
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 2: Odam also called me and said that he would grab

843
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: Bryce right away and send him to his place. He

844
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: has a rehabilitation place somewhere. So I've gotten calls from

845
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: people in support because you know, honestly, it's nothing I

846
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 2: can do. My hands a tide. I don't know what

847
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: else to do. And so John Calladge called me last night.

848
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: I won't tell you everything he said, honey, but he

849
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: sure did tell me start off the conversation, my honey,

850
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: he will get gather Bryson. He will pay for it,

851
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 2: all of it himself, and he will send bricon to

852
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 2: a place that he know in upstate New York.

853
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,959
Speaker 1: Please make that happen.

854
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: Yes, I think I got to go on a date

855
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: with him.

856
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: But okay, do you still have the rot you?

857
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: I sure do, I warn he today, I have it

858
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: in a dressing room.

859
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: Okay, if you can break it off for a second.

860
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: Place, No, we'll show it.

861
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I haven't.

862
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: What was it like dating John when you before the

863
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: job thing? What was it like being single? Because you

864
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: you weren't you were married for so long.

865
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: I was with Grant and my twins.

866
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: There's nothing like dating again when you got money.

867
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's different.

868
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 1: It is different.

869
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 3: It is very different, and it's good it is.

870
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: It's like the law of attraction. You start attracting people

871
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: to you who may have the same things, are more

872
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: than you. Yes, and it feels fun and feel sexyes

873
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: between those girls. Did you enjoy it?

874
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: You know it was? I would have to say for me, Carlos,

875
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 2: I'm a relationship person, So I don't know many times

876
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: in my life where I've been just free and single.

877
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: Most men want me so.

878
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: Right away I have been a relationship. I don't stay

879
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: sing along. So right after I got broken up with Greg,

880
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 2: shortly after I met I went on Celebrity Apprentice, which

881
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 2: is where I met John Collage and then we ended

882
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: up being in a relationship. I really am a relationship person.

883
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: I don't get a chance to date that often. I

884
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: go right into it. I really want to know what

885
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: dating is like. I would love to do it. I

886
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: just don't think I've ever really had that happen in

887
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: my life. In high school, I had a boyfriend. In college,

888
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 2: I had a boyfriend. Right out of college, I had

889
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: a boyfriend. And right after that I met Gray. Like

890
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: I've always been in a relationship.

891
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: When you were dating John and figuring things out, did

892
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: you think, Okay, I got a guy who wants to

893
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: buy me row Lexus and buy me red bottles and

894
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: buy me in the world.

895
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: Maybe this is what I should have. Yeah, sure, I

896
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: wanted to. I would love to date men who have

897
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: more money than me. And John had way more money

898
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: than I had, and I didn't have to spend my money.

899
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: I could spend all of his and he would not

900
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: even miss it because he had so much money. It

901
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: was ridiculous. And I thought, oh my god, this is

902
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: so fun. I get to buy anything I want to buy.

903
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 2: I get to do anything I want to do, travel

904
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: anywhere I want to travel. So it was fun, like

905
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: you for the moment, yes, but he didn't fulfill me

906
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: in all the other areas. But his pockets filled up

907
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 2: my closet. I live honey for his shopping sprees.

908
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: It was fun.

909
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: There was no limit, pick up anything you and if

910
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: you were my friend and you were with me, he said,

911
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: you get you something too. It was amazing being with him.

912
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: I loved it was like a fairy tale. It was

913
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: so fun. But other than that, after that, like we

914
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: were like, what do we have? Yeah, we didn't have

915
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: anything though, Yeah, we had a lot of shopping. I

916
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: would I you know, we had to get into my

917
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: dating life later. Go on.

918
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: No, I was just gonna say, And just like me

919
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: and you, we got back together with our exes at

920
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: the same time you got married. I did your wedding special.

921
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: We got to we got to a fight moments before

922
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: she walked down the aisle. You remember that, I do,

923
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: so Nini was getting married. It was my first executive

924
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: producer credit doing her wedding special, and Niini I stopped

925
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: me and the producers and the camera people and said,

926
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: leave me alone.

927
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 3: Yes, well I would say leave me alone, and.

928
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: We couldn't film her no more. And she locked the door,

929
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: closing on my face. Child.

930
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I was having a wedding and I've been

931
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 2: a bride prior too, and there was no cameras on

932
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: me like that, and I just needed a moment.

933
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 3: I just needed a moment.

934
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: To just be like I was on camera the whole day.

935
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: I just needed a moment, that's all. But I still

936
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 2: loved you just the same.

937
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, we listen we made up and there

938
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: made up and it's a great wedding.

939
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: I just needed a moment.

940
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: I thought it was a lot and we cried. Yes,

941
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: I cried. Joy forced me to apologize to you. She said,

942
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: you will regret being mad at her before, she says,

943
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: I do. And I walked up to you. The cameras

944
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: were rolling and I started to cry, and you said, bitch,

945
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: you have a shew to produce. I love you too.

946
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: Got out of here, bitch. Yes, I want to ask

947
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: you this because I want to use his the or

948
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: the air. A lot of people have said one of

949
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: your famous lines is close your legs to marry men. Yes,

950
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: and people said you ended up opening your legs up

951
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: to one. How do you feel about that that? People

952
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: said you were dating a man who was married.

953
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 2: I was dating a man who was legally married going

954
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: through a divorce.

955
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: Like Kim and Big Papa.

956
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: I don't think Big Papa went through a divorce. Yannie

957
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: is divorced today as we sit here together. He is

958
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: a divorce single man. And I don't think Big Papa

959
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 2: have ever been divorced. In fact, he's back with his wife.

960
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: I just saw him in Miami at this time. Hi

961
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:44,959
Speaker 2: Kim and Lee is his wife named Kim Kimberly. Big

962
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: Papa's wife name is Kim. Yes, you can't make this

963
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 2: shit up. You cannot Kimberly.

964
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: Well, that was easy to remember.

965
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: So yes, I said, close your legs to marry man

966
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 2: married men. When I met Yanni, he was a separated man.

967
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: That's exactly what he told me. Now, I don't know

968
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: what he told his wife, who he was legally married

969
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: to at the time. Today, as we said here, Yanni

970
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 2: is a single, divorced man.

971
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: Did you meet him before Greg passed away?

972
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Not one hundred percent. I think Yanni had been

973
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: living in Atlanta maybe two months and I met him,

974
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 2: and my husband had probably been passed away maybe a

975
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 2: month or so. And I met him in Atlanta at

976
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: Blue Martini, and we both have been very open and

977
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: honest about our relationship. I met him. A lot of

978
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: people said you didn't even grieve. Honestly, when I look back,

979
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 2: I thank God for Yanni because I don't think I

980
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: could have made it. He kept my mind busy, he

981
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: kept me going. That's not saying that I didn't grieve.

982
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: I would grieve a lot. Grieving is very hard, and

983
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: how you grieve.

984
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 3: And how you choose to grieve. No one knows.

985
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 2: I would have never known I would have met a

986
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 2: guy out just a month after my husband passed away.

987
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: And when we met, we were just friends, just talking.

988
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 2: He would invite me places, me and my friends and

989
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: we would go and hang out with him and that

990
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, and me it wasn't serious. It got serious,

991
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 2: I think because so many people were talking about seeing

992
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: us together, so I feel like they made us serious

993
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 2: when we weren't even trying to be serious. And today

994
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: we're not serious.

995
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: Y'all aren't together today.

996
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 2: Today we are taking a break. We've been taking a break,

997
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: and it's just things. I'm not happy with, things he's

998
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 2: not happy with. It's just not working at the moment.

999
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 2: He is single, So if any of the ladies out

1000
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: there want to let him go, right ahead. But if

1001
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 2: any other fellas honey only with a bag, Honey only

1002
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: with a bag, you cannot talk to me. My next

1003
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 2: relationship will be absolutely private.

1004
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: Really why, I just.

1005
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 2: Don't want to be This was the most public I

1006
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: think I've ever been in any relationship. It's more public

1007
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: than Gregg's. And I just feel like it's just best

1008
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: to be private. Also, I know from dating Yanny, and

1009
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 2: Yunny has a great career, he makes great money, sort

1010
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 2: of like what we were talking about earlier.

1011
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 3: I just want my guy.

1012
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: To make more money than me, I really do.

1013
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 3: That's just gonna be best.

1014
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: I need you to make more money than me.

1015
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,959
Speaker 1: The best advice I was told is an inn a relationship,

1016
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: it needs to be one star per household.

1017
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, being with somebody like Yanny,

1018
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 2: I think it will be a two star household. I

1019
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: think that he would want to be more front and

1020
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: center and.

1021
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 3: We just can't have that.

1022
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: People have said that he was using you for fame.

1023
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: Do you think that.

1024
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 2: I don't know that he was using me for fame.

1025
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: But he showed when Hay knowing that.

1026
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: He liked taking the pictures, and of course, and that

1027
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: was different because Greg never and I.

1028
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: Also would always look at him like okay, yeah, it

1029
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 2: felt different, And I agree it should be one star

1030
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: per household unless it's one of your kids.

1031
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah.

1032
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 3: But it was, Yeah, it was different.

1033
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 2: I think. Honestly, I don't know if he was using

1034
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: me or not. Honestly, I was just grieving. I don't

1035
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 2: know what was happening I'm just going with the floor.

1036
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 2: If he said get up and get dressed, I got

1037
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: up and got dressed. He said, we leave in town.

1038
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 2: I got up and left town.

1039
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: Are you in love with him?

1040
00:53:58,800 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: No?

1041
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: Were you? We're in love with him?

1042
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 2: I love Ynny. I think when you say in love,

1043
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 2: I think those that is very different, and I'm not

1044
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 2: sure that we are there.

1045
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 3: I think we got very close.

1046
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: Do you ever think you were experienced the type of

1047
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: love you have with Greg with another man? I do not.

1048
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 3: I think that again.

1049
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: My love with Greg was the ultimate, and I feel

1050
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: like you just don't find love like that. I don't

1051
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 2: know that I'll ever find it again. I just don't.

1052
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: Does that make you sad a little bit? Because you know,

1053
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: you got all this energy, your gorgeous, You're young, and.

1054
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 2: You know I think that I will find a guy, right, Yeah,

1055
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 2: great guy to spend my life with. But Greg, he

1056
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: was pretty up there. It's gonna be hard to get

1057
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: up there. Greg was up there.

1058
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: Oh no, Greg, Greg is the greatest love of your life.

1059
00:54:58,560 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1060
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 3: He was great. He was great, and and I was

1061
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 3: with you.

1062
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: You have to understand I grew with Greg because I

1063
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: was in my twenties and my thirties and my forties,

1064
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: and so I was growing with Greg. So that was

1065
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 2: just a different time and I don't think that I'll

1066
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 2: ever have that again.

1067
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 3: I hope that.

1068
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: I hope that I meet a great guy though, and

1069
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: I'm open to all ethnicities. You gotta be one to travel.

1070
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: Hoey have a bag.

1071
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: I called Marlow.

1072
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 2: So I don't think Marlow, you know, lock them in

1073
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: like that, like I'm a relationship person and they usually

1074
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: go with me.

1075
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 3: I think Marlow goes on a date. We go years.

1076
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what you want.

1077
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'll go on a date two.

1078
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 2: You know, I told you I never experienced dating before,

1079
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: so I would like to date.

1080
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: I want you to have a hall phase.

1081
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 4: Oh, I want you to go out there and just

1082
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 4: day meet Meg, get banged and get bags and yes,

1083
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 4: get bang bags and you know, billions.

1084
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: That's the only one I'll be talking to. Honestly, I

1085
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: can't do it. They have to be wealthier, yes, said

1086
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 2: to be wealthy. I don't want to talk, honestly, I

1087
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 2: don't want to. I just don't want to deal with it.

1088
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: I don't want to deal with having fights about you

1089
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 2: think you're this or you're a fank you're that because

1090
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 2: you can do this. I don't want to do it.

1091
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: I hate you interrupt, but stay tuned for more. We'll

1092
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:34,520
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Speaker 1: This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.

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00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. How do you feel

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00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: with people? I'll ask you, if you still have money,

1112
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: if you're broke, are you struggling.

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00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever been asked that question before.

1114
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: If I'm struggling, if I'm broke, if I have money,

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00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: I'm not broke. That is not happening. Yeah, Lord Jesus,

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00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 2: please let that shit happened. But you know, that's the

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00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: only thing I can say is that, of course I'm

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00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 2: not there.

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00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you're good. Yes, Well, let's get back

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Speaker 1: into season five. Keingya and Porsche came on the show. Okay,

1121
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: at the same time, I'm gonna say something, and I'm

1122
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: curious if you agree with me or not. I think

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00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: Kenyan Porsche saved the show.

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00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

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00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 2: You have to take me back to that moment. Okay,

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00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 2: I know they were great additions.

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00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: They were so I didn't work on season five. I

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00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,959
Speaker 1: was doing another show, and I remember season four. Season

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00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: four felt weird to me. It felt weird just in

1130
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: terms of the dynamic it was. I agree with you

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00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: in terms of what is the show becoming and in

1132
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: my opinion as somebody who did not work on season five.

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00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: I remember watching Kenya and Porsche and being like, these

1134
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: are two new, great additions, and I felt like they

1135
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,439
Speaker 1: changed the temperature of the show. And I remember being

1136
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: invited to your Shoe Dazzle event. This is when Kenya

1137
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: came in pretending to be Phedro with the butt pass

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00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: and the fishing that outfit, and you were so tickled

1139
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: by Kenya, and I was just sitting there as a

1140
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: viewer at that point, like, what is this show like?

1141
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: This show is what I'm accustomed to. I felt like

1142
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: Kenya and Porsche saved it from becoming redundant, and I

1143
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: felt like they brought something to the show that was needed.

1144
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Kenya and Porsche coming on

1145
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: season five.

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01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 2: I don't remember it the way that you do. They

1147
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: were definitely great additions to the show. Obviously, we were

1148
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 2: all excited about having Kenya because she had been Missed USA,

1149
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 2: so we all knew her as Miss Usa. See I

1150
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 2: didn't know her as an actress or anything. I just

1151
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 2: knew her as the black Miss USA, and we thought

1152
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 2: of her as a black Barbie doll. And I did

1153
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: not know Portia at all. Now I knew her grandfather,

1154
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 2: which was Hosea, and everybody in Atlanta know Josell Feed

1155
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 2: the home rent and homeless, and so I was excited to.

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Speaker 3: Meet her as well.

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01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 2: But I don't remember everything and how they may have

1158
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 2: changed the show, but I do remember we went to Anguilla,

1159
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 2: and I remember her and Fhader started out as friends.

1160
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 2: Kenya and Phager started out as I thought, cool in

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01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 2: the beginning, and then somehow it took a turn with

1162
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 2: Apollo being involved, and I remember thinking that this is

1163
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 2: a moment when King it just somehow just went into

1164
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: twirl and twirl and twirl, And I was standing there

1165
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 2: looking like, what the hell just happened, because it just

1166
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 2: kind of like came out of no when she was

1167
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 2: just torn around, and I thought to him myself, what

1168
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 2: damn just she's doing?

1169
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 3: And so that was really different.

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Speaker 2: And I remember I was the one sitting with Porsche

1171
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 2: when she was her and King and never clicked from

1172
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: the moment ago And I remember her telling me, you know,

1173
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 2: it was two hundred and sixty five days a year,

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01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, I just thought, you know,

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01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: for me, it was like what are we in?

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01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 3: These girls? Kenya is twirling and she.

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Speaker 2: Thinks it's two hundred and sixty five days and a year.

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01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 2: It was just really different for me. And then I

1179
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 2: remember meeting her husband. Cordell was Porsia's husband at the time,

1180
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: and I didn't think that I felt like he held

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01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 2: Porsche back a lot.

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01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 3: I don't know.

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01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 2: Fast forward, if you remember me and Candy and a

1184
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 2: few of us. I remember the producers saying that after

1185
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 2: this season they didn't want to really have Porsche back

1186
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 2: because she started to go. They did not want to

1187
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 2: have her back. And I often think that people forget,

1188
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 2: And I said, but Porsche, I'm just saying that sometimes

1189
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Speaker 2: I think people forget, they really forget.

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Speaker 3: The producer were really like, no to Porsche.

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01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: I can't confirm right now that Porsche is on the

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01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: chopping block.

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01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: She was.

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Speaker 1: I was brought back to produce season five reunion, just

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Speaker 1: the reunion, and I remember telling the producers I'm talking

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01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: as a viewer. I like Porsche. I think she's great.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you guys should get rid of her.

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Speaker 1: Porsche was one hundred percent on the chopping block.

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Speaker 2: She was, and so Candy and I and I can't

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01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 2: remember there was anyone that I know it.

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01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 3: Was Candy and I.

1202
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 2: We called and talked to production and the network about

1203
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 2: keeping Porsche because Porsche was going through a divorce and

1204
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 2: we were like, you guys, can't get rid of her

1205
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 2: right now. I mean, she really needs to show. Just

1206
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 2: let us stay and see how it works. And we

1207
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,439
Speaker 2: went to full on beat for Porsche and your state

1208
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 2: on the show. And you know, sometimes people forget who

1209
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 2: goes for back for the money because that was a

1210
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 2: bag because you were out.

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01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,919
Speaker 1: No, she was on the topic block and now too.

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01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: So I was the executive producer season six, and I

1213
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: was like fighting for portion. I said, Porch is great,

1214
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: we need her on the show. Season six is in

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01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: the Guinness Book of Rod Records for being the highest

1216
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:31,919
Speaker 1: rated season ever on Bravo. And we reach, bitch close

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01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: to five million viewers, which is insane. Season six had

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01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: five million.

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01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 2: What season was that?

1220
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: Season six?

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01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 2: Season six? This is season what fifteen and a five hundred?

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01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 2: That's a different iniment. Wow, what a big difference. Okay,

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01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 2: five million, five hundred.

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01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: We'll get to that in second, baby, So season six

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01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: is the highest rate, said, let's just sit there for

1226
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: a second. Oh okay. On Carlos King Honey five millions

1227
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: to five hundred. That's a new tack line. Okay, so

1228
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: it was close to five million. Season six, we had Nini, Kenya, Candy, Phaedra,

1229
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: portion Cynthia till this day. To this day, people said,

1230
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: that's the best cast that the Real Housewives has ever seen,

1231
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: those six housewives. Do you Marlow was a friend and

1232
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: Marlow was a friend? Do you agree that when you

1233
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: think about seasons one to the time you were on

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01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: that Season six cast was the strongest cast on the

1235
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Atlanta?

1236
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 2: I agree? Tell me why I think at that moment,

1237
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 2: I feel like all of First of all, we had

1238
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 2: a lot of conflict.

1239
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 3: We had a lot.

1240
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 2: Of freaking conflict, and everybody was speaking their opinion, everybody

1241
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 2: was working. Everybody stepped up to their role. You know.

1242
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 2: Because the seasons went on, people start to not step up,

1243
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 2: but those that season, I feel like everybody stepped up.

1244
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 2: Everybody had a storyline. It was just a great time

1245
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 2: for all of us. It really was. No.

1246
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: It was my first time being the EP of the show.

1247
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: The show runner.

1248
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 2: Oh so oh I forgot and you were the EP. Yeah,

1249
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 2: that's that's mainly why. Absolutely, listen, listen, I got the job.

1250
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm the first executive producer who never had to interview

1251
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: for the job.

1252
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 2: Well, the interview, I mean you worked your way.

1253
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. They said to me, you knew all the girls.

1254
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: I knew all the girls, and I knew I knew

1255
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: the dynamics. And they all said to me, it is

1256
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: your job to revolutionize this show. And I said, well, damn, bitch,

1257
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: I just wanted to see if I'm able to like

1258
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: twelve with Kenyon for a second chip. But I digress. Okay,

1259
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: So Jesus is cavalong. I just finished your wedding special.

1260
01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: We all collectively said, we're going to bring it, and

1261
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, all of y'all were so happy

1262
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: I was the EP, and y'all all said to me,

1263
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: were also gonna make sure you look good, bitch, because

1264
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: I was the first black man to EP the show.

1265
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: Y'all was like, bitch, oh we go, We're gonna do it.

1266
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: We all together made that season of success. You and

1267
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: Kenya started off being cool and then some way, somehow

1268
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: it became destructive. A lot of people, Nini, feel that

1269
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: you were jealous of Kenya and that you were threatened

1270
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: by her becoming the star of the show, or that

1271
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: Kenya thought she was the star.

1272
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 2: I have never thought Keny was to start of the show. Now,

1273
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 2: I'm not even being shady, no, seriously, I mean I know,

1274
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 2: I mean honestly, I've never thought she was to start

1275
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 2: of the show ever.

1276
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 3: And I'm not even playing.

1277
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 2: I think Kenya is great on the show, and I

1278
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 2: think she is a great She was a great addition

1279
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 2: to the show when she came on, and I think

1280
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 2: the show needs Kenya, by the way, But I never

1281
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: saw her as the star of Real Housewives of Atlanta ever.

1282
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: Why not.

1283
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 2: I just didn't see her as the star of the show,

1284
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 2: and certainly she wasn't the star when I was there.

1285
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 2: And I'm just being for real, and I just never

1286
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 2: I just never saw that. I just haven't. No, i

1287
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 2: just haven't seen it. And I've never been threatened by

1288
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 2: any of the girls. In fact, I would go as

1289
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 2: far as to say, I believe I am one of

1290
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 2: the girls. I don't know about all the rest of them.

1291
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 2: I am one of the girls that felt like we

1292
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 2: all need to work hard to make this show great

1293
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 2: so that we can all get paid and get a check. Now,

1294
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 2: there was many of them that didn't to me that

1295
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 2: didn't feel that way. I felt like I needed to

1296
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 2: come to work. I would try to figure out whatever

1297
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 2: WHI y'all we need to need being I'm trying to

1298
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 2: help y'all. I want to figure it out. I want

1299
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 2: to show to succeed. Yeah, so I don't. I just

1300
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 2: some of these girls come out. They don't have no plans,

1301
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 2: they don't have no nothing, They're not try trying to

1302
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,439
Speaker 2: do anything. They just kind of chilling. They getting a check.

1303
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 2: And I feel some kind of way about any chick

1304
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 2: that's on this show just getting a check when I

1305
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 2: am giving the blood out of my veins to make

1306
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 2: sure that this show is successful. So no shade to Kenya.

1307
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 2: I think she's great on the show, and I think

1308
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 2: she is much needed, but I've never seen her as

1309
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 2: the star of the show. And I have never once

1310
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 2: ever been threatened by not one woman they ever bring

1311
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,759
Speaker 2: on this show. If anything, they are threatened by my presence?

1312
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:29,719
Speaker 1: Was ken you threatened by your presence?

1313
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 2: Very possible, because I won't be backing down to any

1314
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 2: of these girls ever, not ever in life, on the show,

1315
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 2: off the show, around the show, behind the show, anytime,

1316
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 2: any place, anywhere.

1317
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 3: I'm never going to be backing down.

1318
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 1: So what happened on Pello Talk Pello Talk? Obviously you

1319
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: and your neglige ay Yes was strung up and down

1320
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: the hotel suite at the Intercontinental, and Kenya was late.

1321
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: And I want to break the fourth wall here. Kenya

1322
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: was late and you were frustrated because I don't think

1323
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: people know this. As the host of an event, the

1324
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: pressure is on you to make sure the event is

1325
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: good and let's be clear, to make sure that this

1326
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: shit gonna be used. And you bitches are about to

1327
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: embarrass me for my event, bitch, because I show up

1328
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: to y'all's so you have this pressure on you. Kenya

1329
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: was late, significantly late. She walked in her neglige ay

1330
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 1: you slammed the door. She said, hey Nina. You said, hey, bitch,

1331
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: She said you look good. You said you don't. She said,

1332
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 1: always look good. You said, you really think you look good,

1333
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 1: but you really don't. And then you're talking the butt.

1334
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: That was the start of the decline of your friendship.

1335
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: What frustrated you that day about Kenya being so late?

1336
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 2: I have you, guys know a lot of these girls

1337
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 2: are extremely late, not just Kenya, many of them are

1338
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: and that's very frustrating. If we have to be somewhere

1339
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 2: at four and everybody trickles in at six, it's just

1340
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 2: very upsetting. So you may have arrived very happy and

1341
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: ready to have a good time, but two hours later,

1342
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 2: sitting there waiting on everybody to arrive, you're like this,

1343
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 2: what's wrong with you? You know, I've been here since far,

1344
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 2: so I think it was that kind of energy towards her.

1345
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure, but I can say this, I

1346
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 2: don't think he and I ever like clicked like we

1347
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 2: would like we like people think we should have. I

1348
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 2: don't think we ever had like that moment where we

1349
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 2: really like like uh, and when we did have times

1350
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 2: when we were cool, like if you remember she was

1351
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 2: living in like a hotel and I visited her and

1352
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 2: do you remember not I think talked about her refrigerator

1353
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 2: or this is the ghetto.

1354
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 3: Oh honey child, this is the ghetto child.

1355
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: White refrigerator.

1356
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I think that was probably one of

1357
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 2: the closest time we've ever been.

1358
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 3: I've liked her.

1359
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 2: I saw her recently too in Niema Marcus, and of

1360
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 2: course I said, hi, like, I don't you know, did

1361
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 2: y'all talk about nothing. We just high from Afar High High.

1362
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: Are you gonna go up and have a conversation.

1363
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 2: I would have. I mean, it wasn't like I wasn't

1364
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 2: against you know, I don't have any problem with these girls.

1365
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 2: But we just kind of said hey, and she went

1366
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 2: on her way and I went on my way. Yeah.

1367
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 2: I just I don't think that we ever had the

1368
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 2: chance to do that, because when she came on the

1369
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 2: first season, I felt like she had an alliance with Phaedra,

1370
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 2: so and me and Faedia were kind of like bumping

1371
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 2: heads a little bit, but she was down with Phaedra,

1372
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 2: and then her and Phaedra ended up bumping heads, and

1373
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 2: then she started being a I'm not sure if it

1374
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 2: was Candy or who was. She kind of played with

1375
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: Candy a little bit but not a whole lot, and

1376
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 2: then her Candy got close like later down the line,

1377
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 2: and then she started coming from my best friend Cynthia,

1378
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 2: and so I just feel like we just never got

1379
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 2: a chance to like get like totally cool, like we

1380
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 2: like most people think that.

1381
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: We would have gotten what went wrong with you and

1382
01:11:53,000 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: Cynthia's friendship. Do you think people thinking Cynthia was and

1383
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: people saying you let Nini run over you. Yeah, maybe

1384
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: even Peter allegedly may have said those things to her too.

1385
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: Do you think the destruction of your friendship with Cynthia

1386
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: came because she let people get into her ear about you?

1387
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 2: I think Cynthia definitely let people get in her head,

1388
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 2: like a lot of girls. Even Marlowe was even at

1389
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 2: a point where she's like, oh, they think that you know,

1390
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 2: you know, like you, you know, telling me what to

1391
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 2: do about me around and you know. I feel like

1392
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 2: those girls wanted to have their own identity, which they did,

1393
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 2: but they would always let people get in their head

1394
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 2: like Nini is running this, Ninie is. And it wasn't

1395
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 2: even like that. It was like, we're friends and you

1396
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 2: know what our friendship is. Don't let somebody get in

1397
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 2: your head like you know, we cool. You know, I'm

1398
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 2: not running you. But I think they felt in their

1399
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 2: heart they need to prove it somehow. I don't know.

1400
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 2: I know that I loved Cynthia like she was my sister,

1401
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 2: had a great friendship, and I think people watching us

1402
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 2: probably felt like I may have been more of the

1403
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 2: leader in the friendship, or I may have been more

1404
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 2: of something. They just don't know.

1405
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 1: Sensia, Who is Cynthia behind the scenes that you wish

1406
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 1: people would see.

1407
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 2: Cynthia is quite different than she is on the scene. Yeah,

1408
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 2: I think that kid Cynthia is. She's not gonna let

1409
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 2: you run over her. So that's not possible for people

1410
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 2: thinking that she's being ran over, or for people thinking

1411
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 2: that she's quiet. She's very opinionated. She has a lot

1412
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 2: to say, and she stands up for herself.

1413
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 1: Why do you think she didn't want to show that

1414
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: from the camera, that's who she is.

1415
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 2: There's a lot of these girls that come on the

1416
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 2: show and they don't show who they are. Remember I

1417
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 2: made a conscious decision season one to just be who

1418
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 2: I am, right, and some of these girls come on

1419
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 2: and they just I don't know, they play with their head.

1420
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 2: They're like, I don't want to be seen that way,

1421
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,719
Speaker 2: or my family would die if I was seeing that way,

1422
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 2: or my husband doesn't want me to do this. My

1423
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 2: boyfriend said, I can't do that, and so they just

1424
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 2: create some character. And I just think that Cynthia never

1425
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 2: wanted people to really see her be as she liked

1426
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:23,480
Speaker 2: to say, fifty cents, Okay.

1427
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: Do you miss Cynthia?

1428
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 2: I missed the friendship that we had, because I feel

1429
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 2: like we had a really good friendship and I cherished

1430
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 2: my friendships, and I feel like, you know, uh, you know,

1431
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:39,919
Speaker 2: it's hard to find really good friends and it's unfortunate

1432
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 2: what happened to our friendship.

1433
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: Well, why can't you guys rekindle?

1434
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 2: Then?

1435
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 3: I don't think that will ever be possible.

1436
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 2: Why Because I just know some of the things that

1437
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 2: she has done behind the scenes that I just could

1438
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 2: never ever ever respect. Now that now I can't respect them.

1439
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean I couldn't work with her. I

1440
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 2: could work with her, but I can't respect some of

1441
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 2: the stuff that I know for searching that she did.

1442
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,799
Speaker 1: Did she try to stop your bag as.

1443
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 3: Much as she was on camera saying I'm trying.

1444
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 2: To stop hers, She was definitely trying to stop mine.

1445
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 2: From Bravo, of course, from Bravo. I know a lot

1446
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 2: of things she did, honey. She was in an alliance too, honey.

1447
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: With producers or housewives.

1448
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 2: She was an alliance with housewives and behind the scene

1449
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 2: with producers.

1450
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: In network to get you off the show.

1451
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:29,759
Speaker 3: I believe she tried.

1452
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 2: I think she had a hand in trying to get

1453
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 2: it done, really.

1454
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But what would how would that benefit her?

1455
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that some of these girls

1456
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 2: they feel like maybe if they do certain things, maybe

1457
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 2: they'll stay on the show longer, maybe they'll get other opportunities.

1458
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 2: But for me, I feel like where I think these

1459
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 2: group of girls go wrong at is if we all

1460
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 2: stuck together and held hands together so that we can

1461
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 2: all work and all eat together, we would all be

1462
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 2: better together. I feel like trying to push this person

1463
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 2: off the store show and push that person out for

1464
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 2: the show. Obviously, when we go places, people ask us

1465
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 2: who do you think should be on the show or

1466
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 2: who do you think shouldn't be on the show, and

1467
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 2: we all give our opinions. I mean, and we have

1468
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,600
Speaker 2: the right to do that. But that's not saying I

1469
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 2: don't want the show to be successful and I don't

1470
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 2: want you to be successful. I might just be saying

1471
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 2: I don't think you're doing what you should be doing

1472
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 2: on the show, because we know together like who comes

1473
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 2: on the show and who's really doing something, who's really

1474
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 2: trying to put an event together, who's really trying to

1475
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 2: push the show forward. You guys have a lot of

1476
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 2: girls who are lacking, but the audience don't know that

1477
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. They're just looking at the show like, oh,

1478
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 2: we like her and Nini's again star.

1479
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 3: That's when it's like, that's that's one. It's just not

1480
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 3: like that.

1481
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, oh, I'm surprised to hear that, because the

1482
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: thing is she and you did have a real friendship.

1483
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: But I remember y'all calling me when can you have

1484
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: the masquerate ball? And you were like Carlos, she trying

1485
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 1: to play me. Was you syn them in three with me?

1486
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 1: Should you go? Should you not go? And you did

1487
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 1: show up to the mask of rat Ball. You said

1488
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 1: this epic line of it's amazing how many friends I

1489
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: haven't don't even know about it.

1490
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 2: Of course today it's amazing how many friends.

1491
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 3: I have and I don't even knew about it.

1492
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:26,879
Speaker 1: So you were It saddens me where things are because

1493
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,600
Speaker 1: I will say this on the record, you were the

1494
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: anchor of the show. You not to be disrespectful to

1495
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: the other girls because they know my heart and I

1496
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 1: don't know me, and to come across this way, they

1497
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 1: really did look up to you in the sense of

1498
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 1: what we're going to do. See, I didn't feel that though,

1499
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 1: Oh I can I can say to you. Let me

1500
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: tell you something, I honestly didn't feel that.

1501
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 2: I always felt like, you know, I always felt like

1502
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 2: I wasn't supported on the show. This is just my feelings.

1503
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 2: I honestly felt like I wasn't supported the way I

1504
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 2: felt that I should have been supported from the girls,

1505
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 2: from production, from everybody now, and I could be looking

1506
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 2: at it totally wrong. I just felt like I didn't

1507
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 2: get the support that I should have gotten and deserved

1508
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 2: in every kind of way. I just don't feel like

1509
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 2: I got that kind of support because at one point

1510
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 2: on the show, I was the only original you know,

1511
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 2: Kim was only there for whenever she was there. I

1512
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 2: was the only original girl on the show. And I

1513
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 2: felt like everybody came on the show or whatever the

1514
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 2: plot was, every new person come on the show and

1515
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 2: come for Nini.

1516
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 3: Everybody come for Nini, everybody go out to Ninni.

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01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 2: And that is just tired at some point, and it's tiring,

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Speaker 2: and it's also not fair to be the person that

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01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 2: everybody is jumping on and villainizing, and it doesn't feel

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01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 2: good to be in that position every single time.

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01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting because I always saw you as this

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01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: anchor and the Queen Bee. And again that doesn't mean

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01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: the other girls are lesser. Now, I want to make

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01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 1: that clear. You were the queen be of the show,

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01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 1: and you were the face of the show. And at

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01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: one point in time, Miani, you arguably was the most

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01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: famous black reality start in the world.

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01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 3: Not at one time, at this very.

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01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: Moment, No, no, no, no, you.

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01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 3: Still are seeing her. If she's out there, where is she?

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01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:26,879
Speaker 1: Well, Tammy Romes says, hi, but hey tamby eating offs.

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01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 2: Hey, Tammy girl, calm me and we'll talk about that.

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01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: We love to have, you know, all jumps aside the

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01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,919
Speaker 1: face of black reality TV, in the face of reality television.

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01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: White women love you, Oh of course.

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01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:41,759
Speaker 2: I mean you go anywhere without people stopping me, black, white, old,

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01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 2: young children, everybody.

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01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: Honestly, you were also in network shows. Ryan Murphy loves You,

1539
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 1: befrobably finished. How is your relationship today with Ryan Murphy?

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01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 2: I haven't seen Ryan in forever, but there's nothing but

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01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 2: love there. I saw him a few years ago, and

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01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 2: of course we loved each other up and hugged and

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01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 2: all those things. But I haven't seen him in a

1544
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 2: very long time.

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01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: Is there anything that happened between the two of you, Okay.

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01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 2: Never anything. Okay, I've never had a problem ever.

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01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 3: Let's be very clear.

1548
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 2: I've never had a problem ever on any show that

1549
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 2: I've ever worked on before. Ever. This Is Housewives is

1550
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 2: the only show that they tried to give me the reputation.

1551
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 2: But I've never My thing, and I've always spoken about

1552
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 2: it publicly, is to show up at work.

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01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 3: I don't need anything.

1554
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 2: I'm not one of those talents that show up on

1555
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 2: set and I need this chicken wings and a whole

1556
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 2: bunch of drinks, Roses, eminem, peanuts.

1557
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 3: All cart service, all these kinds.

1558
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 2: I don't need any of that. I need some water

1559
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 2: and my check and that's all I need. Honey. I

1560
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 2: show up, I do what you asked me to do,

1561
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 2: and goodbye, and that's it for me. So there's no

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01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 2: reason for anybody on any set to have any issue

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01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 2: with me. Come, I purposely be going said and be like,

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01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 2: don't say that shit up.

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01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 3: Okay, y'all they.

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01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 2: Calling for us.

1567
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 3: Let's go hurry up, glam let's get on set.

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01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 2: You know. I try to be on time with these people.

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01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 2: I don't try to do anything. I don't want to

1570
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 2: cause no problems. That's the first thing. I feel like

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01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 2: they want to be able to say, is that become

1572
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 2: another black girl causing problems?

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01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 3: So I don't want to be heard.

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01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 1: Why did you feel the need to sue? Bravo, NBC

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01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:27,959
Speaker 1: and any caror Baby. Part two of my exclusive interview

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