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Speaker 2: A Happy Wednesday to you. Welcome man. You manned it

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Speaker 2: through halfway of the week.

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Speaker 3: Although I still feel like if people now are starting

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Speaker 3: to get their vacations in school starts in a couple

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Speaker 3: of weeks, so it's now we're never if you're gonna

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Speaker 3: go away for the summer.

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Speaker 2: It does.

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Speaker 4: It just feels like I feel like even sports and

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Speaker 4: we're here for two hours to get you caught up

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Speaker 4: on everything in sports, but it just feels like we're

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Speaker 4: like a week or two away from those like super

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Speaker 4: pressing topics, and now it's just kind of weight weeding

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Speaker 4: through what we need to know with these training camps

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Speaker 4: versus what we don't same with baseball and everything else

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Speaker 4: going on in sports.

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Speaker 3: A pressing topic in Dallas, at least with the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: as they have training camp filed by US here in

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Speaker 3: Southern California and Oxnard is the contract situation of Micah Parsons.

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Speaker 3: I also think there's a bigger picture when it comes

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Speaker 3: to the Cowboys. We'll get to that in just a second.

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Speaker 3: Your Monci gave us the latest big game today at

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Speaker 3: American Family Field in Milwaukee. That's where Doug Gottlieb is.

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Speaker 3: Doug Gottlieb is taking in the Cubs and Brewers, and

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Speaker 3: I just want to say this. I say this, I

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Speaker 3: would have I would say this to Doug's face. Brewers

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Speaker 3: going for the sweep today, Doug's in attendance, Brewers are losing.

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Speaker 3: So Doug right now, mister Jenks, I would say that

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Speaker 3: to his face, like just just stay just stay away,

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Speaker 3: just maybe stay away, Doug.

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Speaker 4: This is like I worked for about four years in

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Speaker 4: the eight PM Saturday slot with Arnie Spanier Arizona in

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Speaker 4: men's basketball and football, when a combined like one and

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Speaker 4: four hundred and twenty two in that time slot to

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Speaker 4: the point that the saga has drops in everything because

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Speaker 4: it was it was bad. It was it was a bloodbath.

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Speaker 4: When Arnie Spanier's on when Arizona Wildcats.

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Speaker 3: On your pre show Rundown, before the game even finished,

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Speaker 3: you could write Arizona loss. Oh yeah, under twenty after

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Speaker 3: the hour, we're gonna talk about Arizona's loss, whether it

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Speaker 3: be in football, whether it be in basketball, and if

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Speaker 3: it was a heartbreaker, you could move it up to

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Speaker 3: the top of the hour.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it was also funny too because basically the year

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Speaker 4: he left our Saturday time slot to you know, spend

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Speaker 4: time with the family whatever.

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Speaker 2: That was what they got good at football, that.

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Speaker 4: One nine win season when they had teat Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I go all right, yeah, when they had Jetfish was

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Speaker 4: the coach and t Mac was kind of coming into

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Speaker 4: his own obviously, the wide receiver who's now with the

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Speaker 4: Carolina Panthers. So yeah, it was like more than just

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Speaker 4: a coincidence after a certain amount of time.

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Speaker 2: Can't say.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's the same with Doug and

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Speaker 4: Wisconsin sports appearances for the Brewers and the Packers and

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Speaker 4: whatever else he's attending, but I know it was for

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Speaker 4: Arnies just.

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Speaker 3: Busting his chops a little bit. It's what we do

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Speaker 3: here on Fox Sports Radio on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 3: We got a midway coming up Moncy Belanios this year.

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Speaker 3: Iowa Sam our technical producer on the show. Of course,

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Speaker 3: executively produced by the one and only Jason Stewart. Trey

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Speaker 3: Hendrickson has reported to camp for the Cincinnati Bengals. As

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Speaker 3: he continues to hold in. We believe that maybe the

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Speaker 3: sides are getting closer on a deal. If Hendrickson would

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Speaker 3: end up reporting, grinned he doesn't want to have the

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Speaker 3: fines that he was accruing. So Hendrickson shows up today,

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Speaker 3: it feels like it's a completely different situation with Micah

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Speaker 3: Parsons are taking in and being present in Cowboys camp,

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Speaker 3: and we now have this report saying that the Dallas

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Speaker 3: Cowboys and Micah Parsons are actually moving in the wrong direction.

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Speaker 3: Adam Schefter reported that the sides are actually further apart

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Speaker 3: in late March and early April. And the exact quote is,

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Speaker 3: the two sides have gone backwards, not forwards. I don't

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Speaker 3: This negotiation, when it was a negotiation, has gone so

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Speaker 3: ways it's not a negotiation right now. There's really no

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Speaker 2: Can I ask two follow up questions? Yes.

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Speaker 4: The first one impact that a TJ. Watt contract which

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Speaker 4: Impact that that may have had on negotiations, I think zero, okay.

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Speaker 4: And the only reason being is because age wise, like

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Speaker 4: top the next guy. That's what we've seen a lot,

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Speaker 4: you know, throughout like That's that's what I think. Unless

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Speaker 4: a dak deal where you just completely overpay him more

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Speaker 4: But I don't think that TJ. Watt's number came in.

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Speaker 4: I think they are probably working more off of the

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Speaker 4: And if I'm Micah Parsons, I would want a little

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Speaker 2: And if it's TJ. Watt, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: How that necessarily changes their position unless he's now saying, well,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's the case. Okay.

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Speaker 4: Second question, how much did Jerry Jones's comments over the

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Speaker 4: last ten days or so impact the fact that these

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they help. How can they? Right? Yep?

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Speaker 3: I mean when you're then now rating the decibel level

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Speaker 3: of ceedee lamb chance to Micah Parsons Chance, that's when

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Speaker 3: it becomes personal. I think all of this is business,

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Speaker 3: so I think that that does play a part in it.

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Speaker 3: And for the sides to be further away than they

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Speaker 3: think that that does hamper things. Now, you can make

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Speaker 3: it all said and good when you sign a contract

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Speaker 3: saying that there's no negotiation right now, and Jerry Jones

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Speaker 3: in hearing those comments from Jerry Jones.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think to me, without having maybe some context

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Speaker 4: is that Jerry has kind of just set the precedent

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Speaker 4: that if you're a homegrown cowboy that was drafted by

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Speaker 4: whatever that, the assumption is not only are you going

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Speaker 4: in the process of getting that contract. To me, that's

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Speaker 4: my first, just gut initial reaction of Parsons come in

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Speaker 4: an extension or a deal, and Jerry is probably trying

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Speaker 3: Perspective, Do you think TJ. Watt's contract affected this at all.

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Speaker 4: No, I actually don't think so because to your point one,

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Speaker 4: obviously the age difference. I I don't think the TJ.

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Speaker 2: Watt thing did. I just think that.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you, like, don't we kind of have

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Speaker 4: like all of the most recent big negotiations for the Cowboys,

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Speaker 4: haven't it felt like? And I can't go through every

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Speaker 4: I don't think TJ. Watt had as much to do

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Speaker 4: guys have in the past. You know, I was thinking

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Speaker 4: about while you were talking. Remember the Jalen Smith contract

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Speaker 4: a great reward, and it is kind of the old

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Speaker 4: cliche of are you paying for past production or future production?

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Speaker 4: And that one in the moment felt like, Yeah, they're

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Speaker 2: Couple of years.

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Speaker 4: And I just bring it up because to me, I

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Speaker 4: the salary cap whatever. And I just wonder if that

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Speaker 4: I deserve, I'm gonna get more, I'm gonna get that

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Speaker 4: cowboy tax packed onto it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why does it start with me? Now? That's how

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Speaker 3: If you're Michael Parsons, why is it so then you

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Speaker 3: end up taking it personally. The funny thing with the

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Speaker 3: history is you mentioned Jalen Smith. I go back to

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Speaker 3: the Ezekiel Elliott deal where they paid him early because

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Speaker 3: Jerry had talked about like I don't want and I'm

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Speaker 3: paraphrasing I'm older. I don't want to die and not

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Speaker 3: win a Super Bowl. Our window is now. I want

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Speaker 3: to make sure that our bell Cow is taken care of.

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Speaker 3: I'm completely paraphrasing what Jerry Jones said, but they paid

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Speaker 3: Ezekiel Elliott way earlier than they would because they were

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Speaker 3: So then we look at it and say, wow, you

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Speaker 3: take care of Ezekiel Elliott. You don't take care of

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Speaker 3: these other people, and including Dak Prescott, what are you doing? Well,

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Speaker 3: then he completely overpays Dak Prescott when he does and

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Speaker 3: makes us forget about Ezekiel Elliott. Granted that was, you know,

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Speaker 3: now we look at the Dak deal and if you're

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Speaker 3: Micah Parson saying, yeah, why don't I get that? And

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Speaker 3: you took care of Ceed Lamb, So yeah, there is

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Speaker 3: a reason on why you would feel you'll make it

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Speaker 3: feel personal. I think this is a part of a

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Speaker 3: bigger story, though, and it's not just a Cowboys thing.

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Speaker 3: I think it's an NFL thing. And the reason that

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Speaker 3: I say that, Aaron is because I don't think that

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Speaker 3: Jerry Jones has handled these negotiations well, and for some reason,

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Speaker 3: there's always something about it. I also feel that the

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Speaker 4: a topic because they're the Cowboys, but there's nothing interesting

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Speaker 4: about them and.

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Speaker 5: They're bad, and so I mean that's why I think,

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Speaker 5: like I'll take the question like does the NFL need

438
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Speaker 5: them to be good? I'll just do they need them

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Speaker 5: to be at least interesting if you have interesting personalities.

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Speaker 5: I remember when they when they hired Brian Schottenheimer and

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Speaker 5: there was a kind of that scant rumor that maybe

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Speaker 5: Dion Sanders was in the mix. And you imagine the

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Speaker 5: Cowboys hiring Dion Sanders and they hired the exact opposite,

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Speaker 5: coming off a year where they just weren't very relevant.

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Speaker 5: So well, I would say the NFL needs them to

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Speaker 5: be interesting.

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Speaker 4: Well, and that's my broader point on them is I

448
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Speaker 4: think they've kind of become a punching bag of like

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Speaker 4: you just like everybody is supposed to be in on

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Speaker 4: the like like there's like there's some inside joke inside

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Speaker 4: that building that we're supposed to be in on, and

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Speaker 4: we're just not like, Oh, you're gonna go hire Dion,

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Speaker 4: You're gonna go hire Belichick, You're gonna go hire Saban,

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Speaker 4: Oh you hired Brian Schottenheimer. And it's like, maybe maybe

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Speaker 4: it's the reverse of what I said, is like we

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Speaker 4: expect them to be something that they are never gonna be.

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Speaker 4: I don't I'm not articulating myself. Well, I'll throw it

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Speaker 4: over to my you'll make my mind center wants in on.

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Speaker 2: So you guys very kind of include me in your emails,

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Speaker 2: you know. And when I saw this original topic, I

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Speaker 2: thought you made a good point Aaron in general of like.

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Speaker 6: Hold on, hold on, hold on, she's gonna stab me

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Speaker 6: in the back a little bit. I thought you made

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Speaker 6: a good point of it. But I agree with Dan

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Speaker 6: that it's like it would be great for the NFL

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Speaker 6: if the Cowboys were good. Now, maybe interesting is another

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Speaker 6: part of it, But you know, Jerry Jones to me

468
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Speaker 6: is still very interesting because he's just.

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Speaker 4: So and funny.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's old and funny to me, guys, I

471
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Speaker 6: can't so I think it helps the league.

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Speaker 2: I think I think that.

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Speaker 3: I think the Cowboys at one and sixteen and eight

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Speaker 3: and eight are the same thing. I think the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: at fourteen and three and rolling your year are just

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Speaker 3: a different animal.

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Speaker 4: But they've been fourteen and three in the last twenty

478
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Speaker 4: years and nobody's believed in them.

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Speaker 2: Sure that.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say that they're one offs. They

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Speaker 3: have been top seeds if you took the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys,

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Speaker 3: which is truly the last time that like and you

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Speaker 3: put that like, I think the NFL is even better

484
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Speaker 3: than it is right now because of we just don't

485
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Speaker 3: have that right now. We think the Eagles are the

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Speaker 3: best team, but we're not necessarily sure if the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: are in the mix. It doesn't matter on who is

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Speaker 3: two and three and four. Everybody's gunning for Dallas and

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Speaker 3: and them being at this malaise of just mediocrity on

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Speaker 3: a league that is super strong as it is. I

491
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Speaker 3: think he can only get better. And that's that's my point.

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Speaker 4: I will say, to your point, I think they're probably

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Speaker 4: the only team that we tune into for the logo yep,

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Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Steelers. I know they have Rogers. Maybe that's a

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Speaker 4: bad example right now. But to your point, Jordan Love,

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Speaker 4: I find him to be not even one of the

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Speaker 4: fifteen most interesting stories in the league. I just the

498
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Speaker 4: Packers don't interest me at all. Steelers obviously irrelevant for

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Speaker 4: a while. If Patrick Mahomes decided to retire tomorrow, no

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Speaker 4: one cares about that. I mean, look at look at

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Speaker 4: how quickly it just fell off. With the Patriots, it's

502
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Speaker 4: like they're the greatest honisty ever with the greatest coach

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Speaker 4: and the greatest quarterback.

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Speaker 2: We don't care. Yeah, I'm a Seahawks fan.

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Speaker 3: Without Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll primetime games, you know,

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Speaker 3: most of it's I see you later. They're not they were.

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Speaker 3: They were in primetime games all the time. You know

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Speaker 3: those leave. But with the Cowboys, Dak Prescott, who were

509
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Speaker 3: not even sure is great or not. I think he's good,

510
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Speaker 3: we're not sure he's great. And he's still a topic

511
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Speaker 3: good conversation because he's the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys,

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Speaker 3: all right, He's erin torre As. I'm Dan Byer in

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Speaker 3: for Doug Gottlieb. Here on a Wednesday on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 7: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

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Speaker 7: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on

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Speaker 7: Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 3: He's erin tore As. I'm Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb. Today,

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Speaker 3: Doug taking in some day baseball Mont see Blanyas. He'll

519
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Speaker 3: have an update for us about what's happening in Milwaukee

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Speaker 3: between the Cubs and Brewers. Doug taking in that NL

521
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Speaker 3: Central showdown. Hit aerin up at Aaron Underscore Torres. You

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Speaker 3: can find me at Dan Byer on Fox MONTI will

523
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Speaker 3: have the update in five minutes for us. We are

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Speaker 3: going to dive into college football because camps are opening.

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Speaker 3: We had Dion Sanders making the announcement that he battled

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Speaker 3: bladder cancer this past summer. It's going to return to

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Speaker 3: coaching full time. Great to hear Dion is cancer free.

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Speaker 3: Aze doctor, say ay, ask you a quick question. I'm

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Speaker 3: me to cut you off. I know you're in. That

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Speaker 3: press conference was ten Pacific, eleven Mountain. I would imagine

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Speaker 3: there was a possibility. Prepping for the Dug Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 3: Did you hear the Dion press conference live?

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Speaker 2: I did not know. I just heard the clips that No,

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Speaker 2: it was.

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Speaker 4: It was pretty surreal live because you know you're going

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Speaker 4: in you know he has this health problem, and you

537
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Speaker 4: know you have these buckets. You know, some people think that, oh,

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Speaker 4: he's you know, announcing that you know, whatever it is,

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Speaker 4: he's fine. You have some people think that there's some

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Speaker 4: serious health issue. You have some people think, oh, he's

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Speaker 4: retiring because he only wanted to coach his son. So

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Speaker 4: I just asked because I saw it live having no

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Speaker 4: idea what to expect, and when they drop some of

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Speaker 4: the stuff that they dropped, it was pretty heavy, and

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Speaker 4: I thought, because of the workflow that you have getting

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Speaker 4: ready for this show and everything that you might have

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Speaker 4: seen it love. That was the only reason I ask.

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Speaker 3: It's also on the drive in as well, so driving

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Speaker 3: into work. But he is Aaron Torres, I'm Dan Beyer,

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Speaker 3: Jason Stewarts here, as is Iowa Sam We mentioned Manti

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Speaker 3: at the news desk. College football takes center stage for

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Speaker 3: another reason, because the debate continues. Media days are wrapped

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Speaker 3: up camps are now open, but the debate continues over

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Speaker 3: the format. We still don't know in the future if

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Speaker 3: we're going to have a twelve school or a sixteen

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Speaker 3: school format, and what the format would be if we

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Speaker 3: end up changing the format of the bracket that is

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Speaker 3: currently one year old in its current form, which by

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Speaker 3: the way, is changed from the previous form already. This

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Speaker 3: is what this is what's at stake here. The SEC

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Speaker 3: and others want five automatic bids for the conference champions

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Speaker 3: and eleven at large bids. The Big Ten now seemingly

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Speaker 3: by themselves, want a scenario where they in the SEC

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Speaker 3: get four automatic bids, the Big twelve and the ACAC

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Speaker 3: get two automatic bids. You have a group of six

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Speaker 3: champion that would get an automatic bid, and then you

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Speaker 3: would have three at large bids. And it seems that

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Speaker 3: the other leagues, to my surprise, Big twelve in ACC

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Speaker 3: are now signing with the SEC and all of this,

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Speaker 3: and the Big ten feels like it's the lone wolf.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Tony Petiti supported it at the Big Ten Media Days,

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Speaker 3: says he feels that it's the fairest I'm on the

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Speaker 3: side of that erin because I don't know as crazy

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Speaker 3: as it sounds, and Brett or Mark and say what

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Speaker 3: he wants. I don't know if the other conferences know

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Speaker 3: what they're getting into if they do a five plus eleven.

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Speaker 3: I think that on the surface, it looks like it's

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Speaker 3: open up to everyone, but in how we consume college

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Speaker 3: football and how we judge college football, I just don't

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Speaker 3: think that's the case, especially for those league members, and

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Speaker 3: so in a way, it's kind of a take what

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Speaker 3: you can get and then maybe there's more on the backside.

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Speaker 3: I just don't see a scenario where if you're the

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Speaker 3: ACC or the Big Twelve, that you're getting four schools

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Speaker 3: into a full into this bracket, so you better take

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Speaker 3: what you can get so you don't end up having

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Speaker 3: just one school in. That's why I support the Big

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Speaker 3: Ten in their their reasoning for having the four plus

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Speaker 3: four and others.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so it's really interesting that you frame it that way,

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Speaker 4: because that was my initial thought.

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Speaker 2: I remember whenever this format first started.

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Speaker 4: I remember actually talking to Chris Plank, who hosts on

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Speaker 4: weekends along you know, not with me, but on the

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Speaker 4: you know, same time windows whatever. He Obviously, Oklahoma football

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Speaker 4: is very heavily involved and I think he and I

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Speaker 4: are both of our defaults were great for the ACC,

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Speaker 4: You're gonna get a second team, even though most years

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Speaker 4: you haven't had a second team.

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Speaker 2: That's worthy.

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Speaker 4: The counter that I have heard that I do think

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Speaker 4: makes sense is that by default, because we call them,

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Speaker 4: we call them the power four right, the SEC, the

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Speaker 4: Big Ten, the ACC, and the Big Twelve. I think

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Speaker 4: in theory we know the ACC the SEC have more

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Speaker 4: power than the other two conferences and certainly everybody else

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Speaker 4: in college football. But by doing the four four two

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Speaker 4: two one model, besides all the other stuff, which we

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Speaker 4: can get into if we have time, I don't know

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Speaker 4: if we will, the ACC and Big Twelve are also

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Speaker 4: unofficially admitting that they are not actually on the same

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Speaker 4: level as the Big Ten and the SEC. And so

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Speaker 4: I actually see both sides from that perspective. Again, I

615
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Speaker 4: remember talking about it six months ago of like, ACC

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Speaker 4: should be thankful get that second team in. But then

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Speaker 4: I do think it's a fair point of you're basically

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Speaker 4: acknowledging that we're calling you the power for. We may

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Speaker 4: know that you're not really the power for, but this

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Speaker 4: actually tangibly proves that it's a power too. And then

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Speaker 4: two behind them.

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Speaker 3: And you're saying, in an indirect way, you're admitting that

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Speaker 3: you're not only up to that level, but that your

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Speaker 3: resume is not sufficient because you're at that second tier.

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Speaker 4: The resume would speak for itself, but I think it's

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Speaker 4: a public perception thing. And then it gets into the

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Speaker 4: recruiting stuff.

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Speaker 3: Go go, I don't think the resume does speak for itself

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Speaker 3: if you're if you're considered a lower one. And the

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Speaker 3: reason being is I think that we don't look at

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Speaker 3: the resumes in the right way.

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Speaker 2: That's the argument of the SEC.

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Speaker 3: I think that I think that we and I actually

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Speaker 3: feel like we look at the SEC in eight game

635
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Speaker 3: schedule versus nine game schedule is a topic that's talked

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Speaker 3: about a lot. We focus so much on losses in

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Speaker 3: college football, and so the fewer losses you get, the

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Speaker 3: better it is for you. And there is in college basketball.

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Speaker 3: If you have a thirty and four team and one

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Speaker 3: that's twenty nine to five negligible, you're not sitting there saying,

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Speaker 3: but a four lost team to a five lost team

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Speaker 3: in college football, or a three loss team to a

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Speaker 3: four lost team, we are it's a cavern. And I

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Speaker 3: feel that when you're looking at this, when you take

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Speaker 3: those three losses by a school and say, well, look

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Speaker 3: they only had three losses, and you take the four school,

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Speaker 3: you take the worst loss of the fourth of the

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Speaker 3: four loss school, and then you harp on that, and

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Speaker 3: that to me is the problem is. I do feel

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Speaker 3: like the SEC would get an advantage. I do think

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Speaker 3: that there is an SEC biased and so biased when

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Speaker 3: you are deciding then with the eleven at large, we're

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Speaker 3: always going to default to the SEC because we think

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Speaker 3: it's a gauntlet of a league. And I don't know

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Speaker 3: how the other conferences don't see that, like I feel

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Speaker 3: the actually the Big Ten is in a way of like, okay,

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Speaker 3: no offense, Iowa Sam. I'm gonna use Iowa as an example.

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Speaker 3: But if the Big Ten has their version of their

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Speaker 3: playing games, which is another level of all of this,

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Speaker 3: and a six seed Iowa comes in and ends up

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Speaker 3: upsetting the third seed Penn State Nitney Lions, and Iowa

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Speaker 3: gets the you know, gets the at large bid. Iowa

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Speaker 3: earned it because that's what was at stake at that time,

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Speaker 3: where I think the sixth place team in the SEC

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Speaker 3: without that format, people would still say, well, Arkansas is

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Speaker 3: pretty good. They were eight and you know they were

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Speaker 3: six and two in conference. This year they were eight

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Speaker 3: and four or nine and four overall. Like that's like

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Speaker 3: I think we look at what the SEC does in

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Speaker 3: their fifth and sixth place team would get an advantage

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Speaker 3: over others or at least the Big ten is saying

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Speaker 3: we're gonna put ours to the test really quick.

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Speaker 4: That was the entire and this was the biggest takeaway

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Speaker 4: that I had from the twelve team playoff era for

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Speaker 4: a year. One is that no matter how many teams

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Speaker 4: you let in, the SEC is always going to argue

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Speaker 4: that they should get more. And the argument last year was,

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Speaker 4: I mean, Alabama, will they beat Georgia, Well, they beat

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Speaker 4: South Carolina. It's like, yeah, they also lost to Vanderbilt,

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Speaker 4: and they also lost to a bad Oklahoma team, and

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Speaker 4: so it's like, I like, I think there's absolutely something

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Speaker 4: to that. From the p of there's just this default

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Speaker 4: that losses shouldn't matter in the SEC and that win

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Speaker 4: should mean more. And I don't think that's the case.

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Speaker 4: And I think, you know, it's something we don't have

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Speaker 4: time to talk about now, but it's like I do

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Speaker 4: wonder what it will actually take for that perception change

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Speaker 4: because we're coming off back to back seasons where the

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Speaker 4: Big Ten has won the national championship, back to back

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Speaker 4: seasons where the SEC didn't even play for a national championship.

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Speaker 4: And I'm just curious how long it takes before the

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Speaker 4: public admits it, because now the argument has gone from

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Speaker 4: we're definitively the best team to the best league too.

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Speaker 2: Well, we haven't had a champion in two years, but

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Speaker 2: we're the deepest league.

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Speaker 4: And it's like, okay, so how many more years until

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Speaker 4: we acknowledge that maybe the Big ten is as deep

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Speaker 4: that maybe the best team in the Big twelve?

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Speaker 2: Cam? You know?

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Speaker 4: So, I it's a nuanced conversation. I know we got

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Speaker 4: to get to Monzi, but there's a lot of layers

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Speaker 4: to this.

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Speaker 3: I'll just quickly say this and Manzi be ready, then

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Speaker 3: we will go to you quick. The question of heading

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Speaker 3: into this year that I think is interesting in all

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Speaker 3: this is is the SEC in a better spot than

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Speaker 3: they or a year ago? And I say yes, for

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Speaker 3: the sole reason of sm you lost to Penn State.

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Speaker 3: I know Arizona took Texas to the wire, but they

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Speaker 3: ended up losing. Boise State lost to Penn State, so

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Speaker 3: you had a final four of two Big ten teams,

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Speaker 3: an SEC team and Notre Dame. And so now when

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Speaker 3: you're looking at the schools that did bow out, Clemson

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Speaker 3: loses to Texas in that case, you're like, well, look

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Speaker 3: those schools in Big twelve in the the ACC. Then

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Speaker 3: they didn't really do much damage. So now if you're

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Speaker 3: the committee and you're trying to tilt, which we've seen

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Speaker 3: at times, Mountain West gets screwed, Mountain West gets screwed

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Speaker 3: all of a sudd mount West has six teams in

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Speaker 3: the NCAA tournament for men's basketball. Like now the SEC,

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Speaker 3: there's this shift of maybe ACC and Big twelve isn't

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Speaker 3: a strong so let's put these SEC schools in.

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Speaker 2: Can I make one thirty second? Yes? Point.

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Speaker 4: I think that's actually why this year is super important

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Speaker 4: for Clemson. Clemson has a team that is good enough

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Speaker 4: to compete with anybody in college football. If they get

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Speaker 4: to a playoff and they get blown out by Texas

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Speaker 4: or Georgia or whatever. I actually don't know if the

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Speaker 4: ACC ever recovers where I think it's the opposite. You

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Speaker 4: can build on that if they make a national championship,

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Speaker 4: beat the SEC, champion along the way.

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Speaker 2: They have to be really.

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Speaker 4: Good by the way they open with LSU at Home.

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Speaker 4: That's a big game for them as well.

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Speaker 7: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

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Speaker 7: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.

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Speaker 3: Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. We had tooth talk

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Speaker 3: going on in the commercial break. We'll save that for

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Speaker 3: another day. He's erin Torres. I'm Dan Beyer in for Doug.

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Speaker 3: The moler of this team right now is at the

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Speaker 3: news desk. Monty Belano says, a game, let's play it.

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Speaker 7: This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 2: You know the ones that do all the work for us.

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00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 6: Yeah, the grinders, the grinders I do, grind my teeth.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe we're not playing.

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Speaker 5: Is he all right?

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Speaker 2: What are we playing?

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Speaker 3: For?

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Speaker 7: Better?

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Speaker 2: Be here? I would leave for the three minutes? Would

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Speaker 2: Aaron can handle? Yes? Is he I okay?

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Speaker 6: For better or worse?

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Speaker 2: Fellas I Got Dibbs or he? I he?

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Speaker 3: That's a game that Mancy plays in place of I

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Speaker 3: Got Dibbs when I'm out on Fridays, and I think

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Speaker 3: it's the worst game. Aaron, You know me and taking pride. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I just I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: Is he all right? Okay, we're not playing that. Stop Okay, No,

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Speaker 2: we're not playing that. We're playing for better or worse.

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Speaker 6: The Osborne's were keeping up with the Kardashians, guys.

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Speaker 3: I will say that the Osborne's was better than the

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Speaker 3: keeping up of the Kardashians because I feel it was first, sure,

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Speaker 3: and so everything that kind of fell in line. I

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Speaker 3: know we argued, you know, Real World was prior to that,

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Speaker 3: but the celebrity going into the celebrity homes, I feel

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Speaker 3: that the Osbourne's were the first to do it, so

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Speaker 3: just almost by default, it was better because it was

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Speaker 3: more original.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go along. I haven't watched the Kardashians.

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Speaker 2: I say, better or worse? Which one's better?

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Speaker 5: And worse?

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Speaker 2: Yeah or worse?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Osbourne's I'm looking now. It's just it never

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Speaker 4: really did it for me.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: It was at a weird.

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Speaker 4: Time two thousand and two, so I was kind of

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Speaker 4: in that like high school range where I got a

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Speaker 4: lot of stuff going on, Say the Kardashians. I like

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Speaker 4: the Kardashians. I got no everyone asks BF for the Kardashians.

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Speaker 4: I don't get it. The family make a lot of

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Speaker 4: money for them.

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Speaker 3: I actually it was the girl who did impressions of

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Speaker 3: Courtney Kardashian on TikTok that made me want to like

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Speaker 3: learn more about Courtney Kardashians. She was such a you

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Speaker 3: know what to her like to Kim funny and it

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Speaker 3: was very funny funny. But I've never I can't say

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Speaker 3: that I sat down and watched an episode.

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Speaker 2: You've never seen one episode on the.

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Speaker 3: Hearts like, but I can't say like from you know,

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Speaker 3: start to finish, and I've seen fights and I saw

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Speaker 3: this slap in the.

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Speaker 4: Sood I mean something that one episode. It was every

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Speaker 4: episode ever.

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Speaker 3: But I remember when Jack Osbourne saw that the McRib

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Speaker 3: was back, and I still when it comes back, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: the mcgrab the McRib.

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Speaker 4: I want to say the Osbourne family was is more

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Speaker 4: normal than the Kardashians.

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Speaker 7: In a way.

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Speaker 6: They were absolutely and that's so I feel like, yeah,

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Speaker 6: the Kardashians are worse, but that makes it more entertaining.

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Speaker 4: Well, really quick, the Osbourne's are almost like happy Gilmore too.

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Speaker 4: They just were who they were and they didn't try

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Speaker 4: to be more The Kardashians started as one thing and

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Speaker 4: tried to leverage themselves into something more over the course

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Speaker 4: of twenty years of that series.

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Speaker 2: So shout out.

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Speaker 6: And now they're billionaires, all of them practically, so they're

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Speaker 6: the better.

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Speaker 3: Gilmore too, is great, but that's another conversation that's to

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Speaker 3: be debated, and that's game time.

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Speaker 2: It is game time.

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Speaker 7: This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 3: You know what this week is Aaron Torres Hall of

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Speaker 3: Fame game it is It's the return of football. It's

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00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 3: also the return of the induction ceremony coming up on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: New members going into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: This on the heels of Baseball's Hall of Fame last week,

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Speaker 3: but we talk about the gridiron. If the NFL were

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Speaker 3: to stop today, what current player is in the Hall.

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Speaker 3: We'll tell you next on Fox Sports Radio.