Speaker 1: Hi, guys, It's Sammy J. And welcome back to this
Speaker 1: week's episode of the Lesbie World Podcast. This is our
Speaker 1: season four finale, which is absurd to think about the
Speaker 1: past fifty two episodes and four seasons. I'm more grateful
Speaker 1: for this experience than I can ever say. And to
Speaker 1: kick off this finale, what better way than to chat
Speaker 1: with the incredible after performer dancer Dole Hill. This might
Speaker 1: be one of my favorite episodes of all time. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say it. I started the episode by bringing
Speaker 1: a pineapple because if you are a fan of the
Speaker 1: show psych and you are a psycho, you know you know. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I love you, guys, and I hope you love this episode. Two.
Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to this week's episode of the
Speaker 1: Letsbie Oral Podcast. I am so honored because I am
Speaker 1: sitting next to the one and only Dole Hill. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on. It's my pledge, is
Speaker 1: my pledging. You have such a unique perspective, and I
Speaker 1: think you're such an underrated artist because you've been in
Speaker 1: the business for so long and you've been in such
Speaker 1: a variety of stuff. But before we start, I feel
Speaker 1: like it needs to be sad that I'm a psycho
Speaker 1: and and I'm so excited to get into this conversation. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you are a psycho. I'm glad to
Speaker 1: be here, and I'm glad that you are a fan
Speaker 1: of Delicious Flavor. Absolutely, the psych world really holds a
Speaker 1: place close to my heart, like the entire fan base.
Speaker 1: Not just it's it's a it's a whole, it's a
Speaker 1: whole thing, figger than itself at this point, it really is.
Speaker 1: And what I love about the psyche world is that
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel that psychos celebrate and appreciate
Speaker 1: our unique idiosyncrasy is what makes us different. You know,
Speaker 1: some folks may think we're like in general, made me
Speaker 1: think we were Like people might think Gus is a cornball,
Speaker 1: but psychos celebrate that like that's Gus is who he is,
Speaker 1: and it's and he's worth celebrating. And not not only
Speaker 1: on the show itself, but I think that is translated
Speaker 1: into the whole site community. We celebrate what makes us unique,
Speaker 1: our unique glow full like a pineapple. Have you ever
Speaker 1: tried white pineapples? A real question? I have not. I've
Speaker 1: never even heard of white pineapples. Okay, so when I
Speaker 1: was in Hawaii, they have white pineapple and it's white
Speaker 1: on the inside and it's like pineapple without the acidity. Really,
Speaker 1: you're sweeten. Really it is heaven. If you can never
Speaker 1: get your hand on some white pineapple was underrated fruit
Speaker 1: I've ever had in my life. And everyone needs to
Speaker 1: be aware of you. See, I need to check it out.
Speaker 1: Check it out. And if you turn on Psychle one
Speaker 1: day and here is talking about and they say Psyched
Speaker 1: the movie whatever, and here is talking about a white pineapple,
Speaker 1: then you know where it came from. You know what?
Speaker 1: I think you just have to try and get ready. Um.
Speaker 1: Something that I also need to tell you that I
Speaker 1: did mention before is I did join a top class
Speaker 1: because you inspired me. I think that's phenomenal. I would
Speaker 1: love to start with tap. What drew you to that sport?
Speaker 1: Because it is a sport. I mean, yes, it is
Speaker 1: a look. It is a sport that I do think.
Speaker 1: You have to be athletic in your own way to
Speaker 1: be able to dance in general, but especially to tap dance,
Speaker 1: just the way your body moves and contorts to create rhythm.
Speaker 1: For myself, I started at the age of three, and
Speaker 1: I really was just following the crowd because my brother
Speaker 1: and my cousins were going to a dance school. My
Speaker 1: mom was a ballet teacher there at the dance school.
Speaker 1: It's a school called Marie Wildly School of Dance in
Speaker 1: eastern New Jersey, and I went there just to be
Speaker 1: around them as I was about the age of three,
Speaker 1: and I was took jazz, tap in ballet, and as
Speaker 1: I kept going, I started to get more affinity for
Speaker 1: a tap and then at the age of nine, I
Speaker 1: booked this show called The Tap Dance Kid, which was
Speaker 1: on Broadway, and I just studied Savior and Glover on
Speaker 1: Broadway for really about like five or six months, and
Speaker 1: then I did the lead role on the national tour
Speaker 1: for another year. But on the national tour I performed
Speaker 1: with somebody by the name of Harold Nicholas, who was
Speaker 1: of the legendary tap group the Nicholas Brothers. They're an
Speaker 1: iconic tap duo. And being able to see what Harold
Speaker 1: was doing day in and day out compared to what
Speaker 1: I was doing really inspired me to go deeper in
Speaker 1: dance because that's I was able to see the musicality
Speaker 1: of dance and all of what you can do with it,
Speaker 1: I guess. A few years later I ended up doing
Speaker 1: a show called Black and Blue on Broadway at the
Speaker 1: same Minskoff Theater, and you see what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: that was with our Bunny Briggs, Lin Cheney, Ralph Brown,
Speaker 1: Buster Brown, Chuck Green, Jimmy Slide. These are all the
Speaker 1: hoover Is, the legends of legends of tap and being
Speaker 1: around them and really seeing what they were doing continuous
Speaker 1: had me go deeper and deeper. And then finally, when
Speaker 1: I was about twenty, Savioan Glover called me to see
Speaker 1: what I was doing. And I was a junior at
Speaker 1: cton Hall University of New Jersey, and he needed one
Speaker 1: more dancer for a show called Bringing Noise, Bring the Phone,
Speaker 1: and I did that off Broadway, and then we went
Speaker 1: to Broadway. And that's really when I started to grasp
Speaker 1: onto tap as my own because I started to really
Speaker 1: understand how it is music, how it is communication, and
Speaker 1: how it is really it's a language, and for me
Speaker 1: it started to become a thing that was very cathartic.
Speaker 1: I was able to deal with my emotions and speak
Speaker 1: on things that I didn't have the vocabulary to speak on,
Speaker 1: just by putting it into my dance. We watched a
Speaker 1: short film on top my class. It was amazing and
Speaker 1: if there was a stylog just through their steps, and
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything so just mesmerizing like that. The
Speaker 1: reason why I think tap is mesmerizing is because of
Speaker 1: the musicality, because that's the only dance form that's both
Speaker 1: a dance and music. You know, if you hear music,
Speaker 1: it can just draw you in the how melodic it
Speaker 1: is and the phrasing of things, and tap is the
Speaker 1: same way that as people are expressing them themselves through
Speaker 1: dance and through music, I think the music side of
Speaker 1: it really can draw you, draw you into that way.
Speaker 1: Do you have any other creative outlets. I've been trying
Speaker 1: to learn how to play the piano. I've been using
Speaker 1: this app called Simply Piano Piano. Has it been helping
Speaker 1: very much? I took it. I picked it up around
Speaker 1: Christmas time. I did not know how to read music
Speaker 1: or anything, and it has really been helping me out.
Speaker 1: I can now reach heat music, I can know where
Speaker 1: how to play on the on the keys. That's huge. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's pretty impressive. And this is not a paid endorsement
Speaker 1: or anything. I just really picked up Sampo piano and
Speaker 1: I love it. You know, I paid my monthly fee
Speaker 1: every month. It's like you know, some app costs, and uh,
Speaker 1: you learn all these songs? What songs I've played? What's
Speaker 1: the what's the song that that's in my head right there?
Speaker 1: It's a song from Poor Game Best that I I've
Speaker 1: learned how to play. I've learned how to play the
Speaker 1: James Bond theme song. I've learned how to play a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of like some of a Room five song.
Speaker 1: All these kind of like the library of music that
Speaker 1: they have in here is pretty impressive. So what are
Speaker 1: you working on now? What's the goal next? Well? All right,
Speaker 1: I mean I can open up my app because if
Speaker 1: you look at it, a simple piano right there on
Speaker 1: my is buffering this so I can come back to
Speaker 1: when it when it actually comes on, because I guess
Speaker 1: the signal side here is not you we'll come back
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, but I love it, so I've been
Speaker 1: doing that. And then also because of the show that
Speaker 1: I'm on now, The Wonder Years, Hey, I talk about it.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. But okay, hold on, I
Speaker 1: write along to me simply piano. It's loading, guys, I
Speaker 1: got a feeling. Okay, see you're right here. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be the next thing I work on set right there?
Speaker 1: How long do you spend a week generally playing piano
Speaker 1: when I'm working a lot, because in between setups, we
Speaker 1: have a piano on the set, and in between setups,
Speaker 1: I'll go and play. And I'm filming Atlanta, so I'm
Speaker 1: by myself. My family is still here in l A.
Speaker 1: So I will at home at night just to entertain
Speaker 1: myself and to learn. I'll do that. It's a little
Speaker 1: more challenging here to spend the time. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm like I said, then be on a piano for
Speaker 1: forty five minutes when I can spend time hanging out
Speaker 1: with LEVI. So it's been harder at home. It's been
Speaker 1: really hard at home to pick up my other thing
Speaker 1: which I'm doing, which is the saxophone. But the saxophone,
Speaker 1: I've played saxophone when I was in middle school. I
Speaker 1: played it for about four years. Then I put it
Speaker 1: down for about fifteen years, and then I did a
Speaker 1: show off broad on Broadway in twenty thirteen around there
Speaker 1: called After Midnight. That was with Fantasia Barrino. Desmond Richardson,
Speaker 1: all these phenomenal in a cast full of phenomenal artists
Speaker 1: in the Jazz at Lincoln Center, all stars. So in
Speaker 1: my mind, I'm working with these great musicians. I might
Speaker 1: also trying to maximize the time. So I dusted off
Speaker 1: my saxophone, and thankfully a lot of the cats there,
Speaker 1: especially Mark Gross who's a brilliant saxophone player. He uh,
Speaker 1: I started teaching me how to play. So I started
Speaker 1: learning thing, and then of course once the show ended,
Speaker 1: I put it back down. And then now for wonder years,
Speaker 1: my character Bill Williams on the show, he plays the saxophone.
Speaker 1: Actually he plays the guitar, the piano, and the saxophone.
Speaker 1: That told Salady and Patterson, who's the show creator, that
Speaker 1: I'm having more of an affinity for the sacks, and
Speaker 1: I know that better, so the more we can use that,
Speaker 1: the better. So now he's leaning more into him playing
Speaker 1: the saxophone. And I have a teacher out there too,
Speaker 1: who comes to the setting is uh Shepherd. He thought
Speaker 1: there teaching me how to how to play the sacks,
Speaker 1: and I love it. Always learning, always learning. I think
Speaker 1: it's important to always keep learning, you know, That's how
Speaker 1: you keep expanding in mind. That's how you keep leaning
Speaker 1: into tomorrow, that's how you keep growing. This years ago,
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I'm a tap dancer, and I
Speaker 1: was talking to Jimmy Slide, who was one of the
Speaker 1: legends of dance, and I was always enthralled with the
Speaker 1: idea of the journey of a hoofer, you know, like
Speaker 1: the journey of tap dancers, and really jumping through without
Speaker 1: going all into the whole conversation. He's told me, you know,
Speaker 1: people call me a tap master, but you can never
Speaker 1: be a master of tap. Every time I put on
Speaker 1: my shoes, I keep learning, I keep growing. The day
Speaker 1: I put on my shoes and I stopped learning, and
Speaker 1: I stopped growing, is it danny to take my tap
Speaker 1: shoes off? That always stuck with me that no matter
Speaker 1: how good you are at something, no matter how prolific
Speaker 1: you are at something, whether it's an art form, or
Speaker 1: whether it's what you do with your job, or whether
Speaker 1: it's how you interact with people, always keep leaning into
Speaker 1: it because it's always something to learn, is always a
Speaker 1: place to grow. It really struck me that this is
Speaker 1: somebody who had been dancing for half a century by
Speaker 1: that point and he was a tap master. He's passed
Speaker 1: away now, but he was a tap master. But in
Speaker 1: his mind, you can never master that. You have to
Speaker 1: keep leaning into that. I just think that that's a brilliant,
Speaker 1: agrelliant way to approach life, absolutely, And I feel like,
Speaker 1: what's the fun of life if you're not learning and
Speaker 1: keeping your mind open and just keep expanding your horizons
Speaker 1: and trying things that you can't get right away, failing,
Speaker 1: failing up. You're only failing if you don't get back up.
Speaker 1: That's right, You're just trying. It's like, come on, let
Speaker 1: me let me try to get this thing. Let me
Speaker 1: try it again, Let me try it again, let me
Speaker 1: try it again. It's the way that I tried to
Speaker 1: live my life. It's a good way too. And I
Speaker 1: think you have a very unique perspective. You've been in
Speaker 1: the business a very long time and there are a
Speaker 1: lot of ins and outs that people don't see. And
Speaker 1: I was wondering what the most difficult part of the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry that you face that isn't discussed much. I
Speaker 1: think it varies depending on which stage of life that
Speaker 1: you are in stage of your career. When I first
Speaker 1: was looking to create space for myself as an actor.
Speaker 1: That was the biggest challenge was getting people to see
Speaker 1: me as an actor because I started as a tap
Speaker 1: dancer mostly on Broadway. I was doing musicals and trying
Speaker 1: to create that space of I'm an actor. I can
Speaker 1: do scene work. I think one of the most flattering,
Speaker 1: our most appreciative compliments I ever got was when Aaron
Speaker 1: Sorkin said to casting he said, if more dancers act
Speaker 1: like Dole, than we need to hire more dancers. And
Speaker 1: that really was because I was fighting so much trying
Speaker 1: to create space as an actor. It's kind of funny
Speaker 1: because now people don't realize always that I'm a tap dancer,
Speaker 1: because that was like you dance. It's funny how life
Speaker 1: can evolved that way. But when I was younger, that
Speaker 1: was the part about the career, just trying to create
Speaker 1: space and in terms of trying to get people to
Speaker 1: see me as an actor, but also trying to just
Speaker 1: create space for myself in the business. Like I felt
Speaker 1: like I was a good actor. I felt that I
Speaker 1: had something to offer and getting someone to see that,
Speaker 1: especially someone like Aaron Sorkin and being on a show
Speaker 1: that is so dialogue heavy and it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: so fast paced. Was being on that show? Do you
Speaker 1: think that helped you um grow as an actor? Just
Speaker 1: being around that kind of right and that kind of
Speaker 1: you know, go go go, oh, yeah you can. You
Speaker 1: can't be around doing the words of Aaron Sorkin being
Speaker 1: directed by Tommy Schlami, working with Martin Sheen and Alison Jenny,
Speaker 1: John Spencer, Richard Schiff, Brad for you know, Rob low
Speaker 1: Stocker chanting. I mean, the list goes on. You can't
Speaker 1: be around that group of creative people and not get better.
Speaker 1: It's like if I played basketball every day with Michael Jordan,
Speaker 1: Lebron James, Magic Johnson and Larry Birds, you would improve exactly.
Speaker 1: And I'm not a good basketball player, not at all,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't. There's no way that I could keep
Speaker 1: playing with them for seven years, day in day out
Speaker 1: and not get better. I think you are known by
Speaker 1: the company you keep, which is why I tried to
Speaker 1: always get around people who who can inspire me to
Speaker 1: reach reach further. Yeah, it's surrounding. You know, you are
Speaker 1: who you surround yourself with. And when you surround yourself
Speaker 1: with other driven people that make you want to be better,
Speaker 1: you want to do the same same thing. You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny to talk about the West Wing to being
Speaker 1: a tap dance to help me understand how to tackle
Speaker 1: the dialogue of it's all rhythm. And once once I
Speaker 1: got that that, it all made sense to me. I said, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is a song. Yeah, this is all just musicality
Speaker 1: right here. West Wing truly is just musicality like it
Speaker 1: is so it is so brilliant. What is the biggest
Speaker 1: takeaway you learned from that show? I think one. There's
Speaker 1: a few things, so I guess it wouldn't be the biggest.
Speaker 1: It would be a few of the big takeaways. One
Speaker 1: was to always stay humble in the midst of what's
Speaker 1: going on because it's not going to last forever. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate how Martin Sheen was is such a humble person.
Speaker 1: He's always connected to his fellow beings. He's not a
Speaker 1: subjector of persons, meaning he's not going to talk to
Speaker 1: you one way because he doesn't look at you as
Speaker 1: as being a value. Everyone is a value involved in
Speaker 1: the creative process, from Aaron Sorkin to a p a
Speaker 1: who just came on set for one day. And I
Speaker 1: was aware of that. I could see because I very rare.
Speaker 1: It is very rare, and I had just done a
Speaker 1: team movie before that name She's all that. And I've
Speaker 1: seen how a lot of my peers we're acting on
Speaker 1: the set. It was my first studio film, and being
Speaker 1: on that set and seeing how the egos that were
Speaker 1: there that could be amongst a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of people, but in that case a lot of young people.
Speaker 1: And then to come to the West Wing set and
Speaker 1: see how Martin, who it's such a great, vast body
Speaker 1: of work, how humble he was, how connected he was
Speaker 1: really stuck with me, And for myself, I said, that's
Speaker 1: more the path that I want to follow. That seem
Speaker 1: that resonates more with me of appreciating people. And I
Speaker 1: guess for myself too, because I've been on the other
Speaker 1: side of the coin, especially being in Noise Funk where
Speaker 1: Savian was the you know, the big quote unquote star,
Speaker 1: and that's that's that was my brother, my my my man,
Speaker 1: and we would roll tight and I would go to
Speaker 1: places with him. But because people then I recognize me,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got the soft handshake that hey, how
Speaker 1: are you doing, brother? And moving on, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And even and even after she saw that
Speaker 1: because me and Freddie Prince are very close and hanging
Speaker 1: out with Freddie Prince during that time, he was Freddie Prince. Yes,
Speaker 1: I was in the movie, but I wasn't Freddie. I
Speaker 1: would get that same thing here in l A two
Speaker 1: of The Brush Off. Really, it is not until West
Speaker 1: Wing came along that people started to now they want
Speaker 1: to be up in my face. But I took that
Speaker 1: in of I'm still me, and I think it's important
Speaker 1: to always engage people, no matter who they are, where
Speaker 1: they are, you know. So that's something that took away
Speaker 1: from it. And then the other thing that I took
Speaker 1: away from it, from the art, from the craftmanship of
Speaker 1: it is to keep reaching. It's like a theme. I
Speaker 1: keep going back to this, but I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: the first season we got we won Best Drama, and
Speaker 1: we're getting all these awards, and the collective energy of
Speaker 1: the past and the crew was let's go higher, let's
Speaker 1: go deeper, let's not live off of our laurels of yesterday.
Speaker 1: We had a great first season. The second season is
Speaker 1: even harder. Let's keep digging, and that I like, that's
Speaker 1: still how I am. As a tap to answer on
Speaker 1: that way and as an actor on that way, and
Speaker 1: I hope that as a person on that way where
Speaker 1: it's let's keep going further, it is more to get
Speaker 1: you know what. That's so funny you say that, because
Speaker 1: I think that shows and everything you've done, but also
Speaker 1: with Psych alone, the movie is just keep getting better.
Speaker 1: It's like it's the thing that it's like it just
Speaker 1: doesn't want to stop. It just doesn't want to stop.
Speaker 1: So it's one of those things. And I know that
Speaker 1: Psych it's such a collective, a unit. And so those
Speaker 1: lessons you learned from West Wing, did that translate into
Speaker 1: that show as well? I think so. I think, uh,
Speaker 1: I think coming to Psych from the West Wing, it
Speaker 1: was I came to the show now in a different
Speaker 1: position because I was more of a lead, one of
Speaker 1: the leads of the of the show. But Martin's energy
Speaker 1: stayed with me of respecting everybody and this is how
Speaker 1: we're going to do it on this set. Really it
Speaker 1: still stays with me. And he said that I go
Speaker 1: to I try to keep that energy where it's like, well,
Speaker 1: we're all here trying to make something, make somethings exactly.
Speaker 1: Let's respect everybody, Let's love everybody, let's let's just give
Speaker 1: our best best sells. I always say, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: going down a side street. But if you get a
Speaker 1: group of brilliant people together, a group of talented people
Speaker 1: together in a room who respect each other and give
Speaker 1: space for each other to show their gifts, something brilliant
Speaker 1: is bound to happen. It will always happen. Now, mind you,
Speaker 1: that may not always turn into this commercial success, but
Speaker 1: it depends on how you define personal success. Well I
Speaker 1: said commercial success. Yeah, yeah, it will be a personal
Speaker 1: a personal success. But that's just it's just the art
Speaker 1: world and not everything you do with a commercial success.
Speaker 1: But if you get people in the room and we
Speaker 1: all respect each other, give space for each other, give
Speaker 1: space for your voice and my voice, and hear each other,
Speaker 1: and then allow our gifts to shine, something brilliant is
Speaker 1: going to happen. And that's really what I tried to
Speaker 1: bring to every set that I come to. On the site,
Speaker 1: set was the same thing of it's all I mean,
Speaker 1: some bits could come up from somebody in the crew
Speaker 1: just saying that we'll try sure, like if if it
Speaker 1: made sense. It wasn't just the type of thing of no,
Speaker 1: you sit there and you do your job and I'll
Speaker 1: do my job. Or no, only Sean Spen's only James
Speaker 1: Rode Mariguez, He's the only one that gets to be funny. No,
Speaker 1: Tim Momson can be funny. Maggie Lawson can be funny.
Speaker 1: I could be funny, curs to Nelson Corporate Burnton. If
Speaker 1: it made the peace funny, then that's what we were
Speaker 1: going to do. It wasn't about one particular person having
Speaker 1: to get all the shine. It seems like it's also
Speaker 1: about the process of making and I feel like so
Speaker 1: much is focused on the end result a lot of
Speaker 1: the time, but you know, enjoying the actual process of
Speaker 1: being in the moment and going off of other people's refs,
Speaker 1: like it's the most collaborating is I have found personally
Speaker 1: in film school one of the most satisfying things. That's
Speaker 1: one of the parts about this industry that I love
Speaker 1: the most is being in this space with people and
Speaker 1: all right, let's create. Let's see what we come up with,
Speaker 1: and let's see if we hit the hit the target,
Speaker 1: and if not, then will try again. You know, if
Speaker 1: we didn't get it right this episode, we're gonna try
Speaker 1: again next episode. If we didn't get rid of this performance.
Speaker 1: If it's on stage, we're gonna go deeper. Well let's
Speaker 1: try it again. Yeah. I love the creative process. I
Speaker 1: really get off on it. And I feel like there's
Speaker 1: something so magical of having an idea and just seeing
Speaker 1: the process of it coming alive. It's just it's unlike
Speaker 1: anything I've experienced, and I just want to continue experiencing.
Speaker 1: And I think you should. I think you should, not
Speaker 1: think you will. I appreciate that. I think something that
Speaker 1: going with psych You guys really played with format a lot,
Speaker 1: and I think that's one of the reasons why you
Speaker 1: had different themes from a werewolf theme to a musical theme.
Speaker 1: You know, you redid the same episode twice, you know,
Speaker 1: like when you start running out of ideas, you said,
Speaker 1: you know what was the worst episode that we did,
Speaker 1: let's redo that one? Is that? Is that how that happened?
Speaker 1: Because I thought Copy with the Chance of Murder was
Speaker 1: a great episode in the first look. It's the type
Speaker 1: of thing where the further you go along on anything,
Speaker 1: like the songs that I could sing now that I'm
Speaker 1: like I could sing, I could sing a lot better
Speaker 1: now there's material even with the West Wing. I feel
Speaker 1: like if I went back and had a chance to
Speaker 1: do some of that material, what could I do with
Speaker 1: it now? So I think with Psych in that episode,
Speaker 1: it was we're just to show that swings for the
Speaker 1: fences and does all these crazy wacky things. What's something
Speaker 1: that you don't see on television too often? Then redoing
Speaker 1: the same I mean, it's so absurd when you think
Speaker 1: about it. Did I take my hat off to even
Speaker 1: the USA, you know, for for supporting it, because your
Speaker 1: network and you're like, what's just the same name? What
Speaker 1: same thing? So it was really but that was an
Speaker 1: episode that we didn't feel we got right, that we
Speaker 1: could have got done better, which I think in general
Speaker 1: artists probably always feel that way about work that they've done.
Speaker 1: But but the fact that you got to actually revisit
Speaker 1: it and then redo it. Has any other show done
Speaker 1: that before? I don't think so obviously that's something I
Speaker 1: would be interested to know. So if somebody's listening to
Speaker 1: this and has the time to check all the television
Speaker 1: that has ever been done, but it's like, you's redone
Speaker 1: the same episode, And I think that's what's so great
Speaker 1: about it is because you just are so willing to
Speaker 1: try anything. You're kind of playing with supernatural sometimes and
Speaker 1: playing with different ideas. So when it's like four coming out,
Speaker 1: when is the four movie coming out? That's a good question,
Speaker 1: you know. I always say, as long as the cycles
Speaker 1: still wanted, then it will come. So I'm sure that
Speaker 1: at some point there will be another one. I just
Speaker 1: don't know when that will be. So to all the cycles,
Speaker 1: I will say, wait for read. I had to do it,
Speaker 1: you know that's right? Yeah, there we go. Was that
Speaker 1: a plan name Gusa? Thank you? Yeah? Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: that's right, speaking of a player name Gus. That episode
Speaker 1: was written by Saladin Kay Pattison, who is the creative
Speaker 1: of the Wonder Years. No way, and look at that transition, right,
Speaker 1: It's always connected your career so has so many full
Speaker 1: circle moments there really is. For example, Chris Henzi, who
Speaker 1: is the one of the exact producers of Psych. He's
Speaker 1: also Alison Jenny's manager, so I've known Chris Henzi from
Speaker 1: the West Wing. That's one of that was one of
Speaker 1: the connections of going to Psych. Also, when I was
Speaker 1: doing Bringing Noise Brain, the Funk USA used to have
Speaker 1: this campaign called Erase the Hate where they would do
Speaker 1: like these little commercials, a little interstitials about combating hate.
Speaker 1: And the person who was running a race to hate
Speaker 1: back in the nineties when I was doing Bringing Noise,
Speaker 1: Bring the Funk was a lady by the name of
Speaker 1: Bonnie Hammer who ended up becoming the President of USA
Speaker 1: at the time. And I mean, now she's way up
Speaker 1: there in terms of the whole universal world, but that
Speaker 1: was a connection there too. So then now I go
Speaker 1: and do psych. Then you have Salady and Patterson, who's
Speaker 1: he was one of the co exact producers and he
Speaker 1: did that episode that you're talking about. Years later he's
Speaker 1: doing The Wonder years and now lo and behold here
Speaker 1: I am. So what is that like working with the
Speaker 1: same people on different projects. I think it's great. I
Speaker 1: love it. I think that's there's something that that's a
Speaker 1: part of the beauty of our being blessed to have
Speaker 1: longevity in the industry that you keep crossing past with people,
Speaker 1: and once you work with somebody started having a backhand
Speaker 1: like now we're meeting here, Now we crossed passed again
Speaker 1: two years to years from now. It's more like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's happening, or you know, yeah, it's it's it's a little,
Speaker 1: it's a little more familiar, and I think that's the
Speaker 1: beauty of being in this business. Even as I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about a world's connecting I did. I understudied Saving and
Speaker 1: Glover in the Tap Dance Kid, and then when Bringing
Speaker 1: Always came around, I work with him again. So the
Speaker 1: I can make a direct connection of how other steps
Speaker 1: taken to get to where I am creatively, the people
Speaker 1: I've crossed passed with. Okay, so we have to take
Speaker 1: a quick break. But when we come back, I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about the second season of The Wonder Years,
Speaker 1: how the essence of the show really reflects on our
Speaker 1: culture today, a lot more about psych and much more.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back, and we're back. I'm very excited
Speaker 1: to talk about The wond Years because you said that
Speaker 1: this show is quote it looks back on yesterday to
Speaker 1: tell a story about who we are today, and I'd
Speaker 1: love for you to expand on that, because I think
Speaker 1: you said it perfectly. You know, the more things change,
Speaker 1: the more they stay the same, And often times I
Speaker 1: think you have to take a look back at yesterday
Speaker 1: to really engauge where we are and how we got
Speaker 1: to where we are, how we got to where we
Speaker 1: are and to see it to kind of like grade yourself,
Speaker 1: because if I'm just living in a vacuum, then it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm doing great whatever. But it's when it's only when
Speaker 1: you have in comparison to something you can realize either
Speaker 1: we've made a lot of change or we have not
Speaker 1: made a lot of change. You can see how certain
Speaker 1: things are. Yeah, we've moved forward from from that some ways,
Speaker 1: not so much, not so much, and recognizing that as so,
Speaker 1: because that's the only way to move forward exactly. And
Speaker 1: that's really that's really what I love about this show
Speaker 1: is that it's a based in the sixties, based in
Speaker 1: the sixties about a black family in Alabama, and in
Speaker 1: the midst of all the trouble of the time, the
Speaker 1: turbulence of the time, the challenges of the time, they're
Speaker 1: able to create their very own wonder years and it's
Speaker 1: filled with love and laughter and heart. It's a good
Speaker 1: growing up story. I think it's a great growing up story,
Speaker 1: and I feel that it's something I appreciate having that
Speaker 1: on the air now. I completely agree, coming in, week in,
Speaker 1: week out into our homes. There's not many things on
Speaker 1: television where families can sit down and watch it together.
Speaker 1: Psych I feel like it was one of those uh
Speaker 1: and this show I appreciate because the lens that is
Speaker 1: looking through grounds the show a little bit more so
Speaker 1: it still is dealing with the world around us, but
Speaker 1: it also is bringing a lot of humor and levity
Speaker 1: as well. What is it like playing a dad? You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny he's back. It's kind of like a time warp, Like, wait,
Speaker 1: wasn't it just in the tap? And it's strange because
Speaker 1: like on The West Wing, I was I was a
Speaker 1: young cat. Even on Psyche, we all appears so we're
Speaker 1: all just people doing the work. And then I get
Speaker 1: on Wonder Years and people are talking about how they
Speaker 1: went around when the first one of the Years came on,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, and E. J. Williams is saying,
Speaker 1: you know, do you know he's been around for so long.
Speaker 1: He's been in this game, for this business for so long.
Speaker 1: It's really cool to work with someone like I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: what I've been about here for so long? What are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Young man? Me and you the same age.
Speaker 1: I'm a kid. You understand because I have a beard
Speaker 1: and I have some grades doesn't mean that I went
Speaker 1: out the same age, right, But you know, at first
Speaker 1: he gets a little shocking of way it's like I'm
Speaker 1: playing a dad now. But then right on the heels
Speaker 1: of that, you appreciate it because again going back to
Speaker 1: what I was saying before about even the wonder years,
Speaker 1: when you put it in perspective of everything else, that
Speaker 1: means do let you've been on this journey for a
Speaker 1: long time. You've had the opportunity to do it for
Speaker 1: a long time, to do what you love for a
Speaker 1: long time. You've been blessed to really create space for
Speaker 1: yoursel as a creative individual from the age of ten
Speaker 1: till now. That's that's a huge blessing. So just take
Speaker 1: it in the fact that you can play a dad
Speaker 1: on television now is a wonderful thing. Do you have
Speaker 1: to change your mindset like when going about the acting process, Uh,
Speaker 1: be more affirmative at all. I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: think each character is different. I think the process is
Speaker 1: always relatively the same. It just depends on who the
Speaker 1: character is. What is the process generally? I mean, for me,
Speaker 1: I wonder, how how does this person talk, how do
Speaker 1: they walk? What is their world view? Like? How do
Speaker 1: they what is the lands that they look through? I
Speaker 1: asked myself questions about how do they feel about those
Speaker 1: who they are around? How do they feel about the
Speaker 1: world beyond them? These are questions that I kind of
Speaker 1: asked myself no matter which character that I'm playing, but
Speaker 1: I feel Charlie Young walks differently than Burton Guster, works differently,
Speaker 1: not at all, walks differently from Bill Williams. I think
Speaker 1: who also? You know, I played a character on Suits
Speaker 1: that person walked differently. Alex Williams, his energy is different.
Speaker 1: How do you how do you channel of those energies.
Speaker 1: It's funny because I don't. It's very hard for me
Speaker 1: to put it in words. I've realized that over the
Speaker 1: years that it's hard for me to actually put in
Speaker 1: words the process. It's like jazz, it's like music. It
Speaker 1: just yeah, I just let it. I fill it out. Then,
Speaker 1: years ago, I did at William Esper Studios, which is
Speaker 1: where I did my acting classes in New York. I
Speaker 1: studied with Bill Esper. You know a lot of times
Speaker 1: through the process you would work from the inside out.
Speaker 1: But then for some of the work that we did there,
Speaker 1: we put on these masks and then you would pick
Speaker 1: a mask, put on the mask, and then you work
Speaker 1: from the outside in. So if the mask is a
Speaker 1: happy mask, if we start to affect how this person moves,
Speaker 1: and it starts to teach me that all these things
Speaker 1: come together, you do the homework at home with the
Speaker 1: inside out. But then also the clothes that I put on,
Speaker 1: the shoes that I put on. If it's if I'm
Speaker 1: in slides, is different from if I'm in shoes. It's
Speaker 1: different than if I made some platform shoes. That that
Speaker 1: says a lot about the person. The kind of shoes
Speaker 1: that they wear. There's a lot about the person that
Speaker 1: kind of clothes that they wear. Do you ever feel
Speaker 1: limited in what you wear? Not because you're like, oh
Speaker 1: that reminds me of that character, you mean personally or
Speaker 1: as I going to the new personally? Oh no, No,
Speaker 1: At anytime that I'm allowed to something can make it
Speaker 1: from their closet to my closet. I'll take it that way.
Speaker 1: Do it. Do it? You know, I can either confirm
Speaker 1: nor deny whether I have anything from any of my
Speaker 1: characters over the years. I cannot. They may look similar,
Speaker 1: but they may not necessarily be the exact thing. No,
Speaker 1: I may have just copied and pasted it. I may
Speaker 1: have just found out. I found out where was purchased
Speaker 1: from and from the manufacturer of course, exactly anything you
Speaker 1: absolutely didn't take from any show anything, I absolutely didn't
Speaker 1: take it. But you know, like I mean, let me see,
Speaker 1: I didn't take a piece of the wheel from the Blueberry.
Speaker 1: I did not. It's like a piece of the rim.
Speaker 1: It blew up, well right now, I haven't, haven't. It's
Speaker 1: like storage being that has like a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: that stuff in there. I did not take the nameplate
Speaker 1: from Burton Guster's desk. Never, No, never. I did not
Speaker 1: take the sign outside of Charlie Young's office that said
Speaker 1: Deputy Special Assistant to the Chief of Staff. No, I
Speaker 1: did not take that. I should have taken the one
Speaker 1: that said Charlie Young Personal Aide to the President. I
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking at the time, and I did not take.
Speaker 1: If those who who watch The West Wing the last
Speaker 1: episode of the series, Martin Sheen are President, probably gives
Speaker 1: Charlie Young a copy of the Constitution, it's a little
Speaker 1: red book. I did not take that. Why would you
Speaker 1: ever take That's not sentimental at all. I don't have that.
Speaker 1: So if people are looking for. I don't know where
Speaker 1: it is. I don't have. I don't have that. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I can either confirm nor there exactly. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think from suits? Yeah, do you take anything
Speaker 1: from suits? Did I have anything from suits? Let me
Speaker 1: think about it. No ties, no suits, not from the
Speaker 1: I don't think I have. I think I took some
Speaker 1: of this. Confirm nor din I you know, especially if
Speaker 1: Aaron Corsh is listening to this right now, I don't
Speaker 1: know Eron. I don't know if I've taken anything from that.
Speaker 1: I've never taken any suit. You know. The anything about
Speaker 1: suits is when I was when I was going to
Speaker 1: Seton Hall. Growing up, my intention was to be a
Speaker 1: corporate lawyer. I planned to go off to law school,
Speaker 1: and then around my junior year, when I was doing
Speaker 1: those phone on Bradway, I really started to ask myself,
Speaker 1: what is it that I want to do with my life.
Speaker 1: But I want to go into the corporate world and
Speaker 1: be a corporate lawyer, or don't want to continue assuming
Speaker 1: the arts. I eventually decided to pursue the arts because
Speaker 1: I realized that that's what I had an affinity for,
Speaker 1: but also at the time I said to myself, I
Speaker 1: don't want to wear a suit to work every day.
Speaker 1: I want to go and be creative, like do that thing.
Speaker 1: I don't want to wear a suit to work every day.
Speaker 1: Then my first TV show is The West Wing, which
Speaker 1: I would have to wear suits every day every day,
Speaker 1: you know. And then of course Psych I had to
Speaker 1: wear suits on that show as well. And then not
Speaker 1: only that, but then afterwards I get a show called
Speaker 1: Suits where I plays you know, where I wear suits
Speaker 1: every day and I'm a corporate lawyer. You've lived every
Speaker 1: You've lived it out vicariously, I did. I ended up
Speaker 1: achieving both goals and I was an actor and I
Speaker 1: was a corporate lawyer exactly. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You've accomplished at all. What was it like working with
Speaker 1: your wife in Psych? Great? I love working with Jasmine.
Speaker 1: We have a good time. It's great to just be
Speaker 1: creative in that space. Having to join the psych world
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun because I think it's a
Speaker 1: I appreciate the love that the psychles have given over
Speaker 1: the years, the support and being that Jasmine was such
Speaker 1: a bussing to me in my life personally. I was
Speaker 1: glad to be able to then to a certain cent
Speaker 1: share our dynamic in a different way with with with
Speaker 1: the psych world, with the psychles. Yeah. So I was
Speaker 1: great working with her and she especially She's just it
Speaker 1: was so much fun with the ball of energy coming
Speaker 1: into the so true and something that if the Psych
Speaker 1: movie doesn't come out anytime soon, I think we just
Speaker 1: need the unedited of the birth scene of the last
Speaker 1: how many that I think we all need. That was
Speaker 1: a lot going on. Boy, how long did that take? Shot? In?
Speaker 1: Two days? The one incause it was a long scene.
Speaker 1: It's a really long scene and I don't think there
Speaker 1: was any real plan about how we were going to
Speaker 1: attack it. So we got there and we're like okay,
Speaker 1: and then we figured it out and he just kept
Speaker 1: chipping away it. It was a lot of heavy breathing
Speaker 1: by using a lot of crying by my part. You know,
Speaker 1: you've had to do a lot of screams. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: here's Lassie. Oh yeah. Oh. I think I think that
Speaker 1: was really just if I'm not mistaken, did d write
Speaker 1: that episode? I believe he. I believe he wrote directed
Speaker 1: and I don't think maybe directed it. I think it
Speaker 1: was really just a thing of how can we get
Speaker 1: do lated scream. Here's an idea, here's Lassie. That was
Speaker 1: a lot of screaming in that one. That's a terrifying episode.
Speaker 1: That was a lot of screaming. And Tim Thomason was
Speaker 1: so great in that episode. He really dove right into
Speaker 1: being a different kind of Psycho. Okay, we have to
Speaker 1: take one more quick break, but when we come back,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the second Psycho movie and
Speaker 1: actually get your thoughts on a very special story Joel
Speaker 1: McKell shared with me when he was on the podcast recently.
Speaker 1: That kind a whole lot more right after this and
Speaker 1: we're back. So Joel McHale was on the podcast and
Speaker 1: he was telling we're talking about Psych. I just saw
Speaker 1: Joe mckelly other day. Yeah, if you go onna maybe
Speaker 1: Tim's Instagram or uh he was. We had like a
Speaker 1: birthday at Tim's house the other day. Oh good. He
Speaker 1: was just on the podcast and he was telling me
Speaker 1: the whole story about the movie, um, the second movie, UM.
Speaker 1: And I think it is so amazing how Psych and
Speaker 1: the family just comes together every time just to support
Speaker 1: each other and to be there for each other. I
Speaker 1: know that movie was especially very emotional to make because
Speaker 1: it was we didn't know if you would be able
Speaker 1: to make it again. What was the process like of
Speaker 1: when that movie got green light and you guys could
Speaker 1: go into production. I think more. I think less about
Speaker 1: when it got green light and more when Tim walked
Speaker 1: on set. That was really the touching moment because with
Speaker 1: the first Psyche movie, it really was a whirlwind that
Speaker 1: just happened. The ground shifted me. It was that was
Speaker 1: something so far off of our radar what we thought.
Speaker 1: Did you never even think of doing a movie after
Speaker 1: the show ended? Or was it just like, we're gonna
Speaker 1: let it be and see what happened. Chris mccamber who
Speaker 1: was the president of USA at the time, he said
Speaker 1: when the show was wrapping up that he's fairly confident
Speaker 1: this is not the last we'll see of Seawan and
Speaker 1: Gus now, mind you, you hear that often, so for
Speaker 1: it to actually come into fruition was pretty surprising and welcomed.
Speaker 1: But then when Tim had his joke that really really
Speaker 1: shook us. We powered through. We're able to do the
Speaker 1: first Psyche movie, but it wasn't the same because we
Speaker 1: knew that Tim wasn't on set with us. It's a
Speaker 1: part of your family, not there exactly. So when when
Speaker 1: we were able to now do the second one and
Speaker 1: to see Tim walk on set, it was I just
Speaker 1: don't have the words to say how touching it was,
Speaker 1: how inspiring it was, because Tim had really just leaned
Speaker 1: into what he was facing and kept putting one foot
Speaker 1: in front of the other slowly and surely, and he
Speaker 1: really willed himself back to the set and to see
Speaker 1: his strength in the midst of that challenge was inspiring
Speaker 1: and still is inspiring because he just keeps getting better
Speaker 1: and better. Uh So seeing him on that set was
Speaker 1: was just it was great. And then even Joel coming
Speaker 1: up to do it was was pretty phenomenal to him.
Speaker 1: We we actually did not you know, Tim Mombinson and
Speaker 1: Joe mckill are pretty tight. We did not tell Tim
Speaker 1: who was playing his father. We had like some weird name.
Speaker 1: I forgot the name that was on the call sheet.
Speaker 1: We put some weird name on It should have been
Speaker 1: one of the names that I'm James Rude would call
Speaker 1: us like it was something. It was something like that.
Speaker 1: It was something, And of course Tim wants to know
Speaker 1: because any actor would want to know who's playing my dad,
Speaker 1: and it's a great actor he's known. You know, he's
Speaker 1: hearing from Vancouver, this and that, and he's a theater
Speaker 1: actor here and he's really great. Was like, huh, then, uh,
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly how now I'm trying to remember
Speaker 1: which some he was here to route. I think he
Speaker 1: came on that what happened? Okay, So then it was
Speaker 1: then when he went on in the rehearsal in his
Speaker 1: room on the on the set, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, Joe comes walking on and then Tim was
Speaker 1: really just blown away to see his his friend coming
Speaker 1: to play his dad. This industry is there's a lot
Speaker 1: of challenging things that happened in his industry, but there's
Speaker 1: also it's also a really good community of people who
Speaker 1: love and support each other. At least along my journey,
Speaker 1: I've been blessed to work with the community people who
Speaker 1: love and support each other. And when you can find
Speaker 1: those type of relationships, it really is a wonderful thing.
Speaker 1: Having Joe come up, I mean, yeah, I'm sure he
Speaker 1: was a fan of the show and he liked working
Speaker 1: with us, but really he came up for Tim and
Speaker 1: that's lovely. That's lovely to see those relationships that can
Speaker 1: grow out of being creative, out of playing make believe
Speaker 1: for a living. I mean, look at you and James
Speaker 1: your day. Yeah, I mean he's one of my best
Speaker 1: friends and I have a lot of love for real day.
Speaker 1: He was one of my groovesmen that my wedding or
Speaker 1: an outwarding. Uh. You know when I first met Roald Day,
Speaker 1: I'll never forget when I first was reading, doing chemistry
Speaker 1: read with him. Oh I wish that was on the video,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, probably you're probably looking at
Speaker 1: my face that if there was on video, my face
Speaker 1: would be look at him like what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Because I came from the world of Aaron Sorkin, where
Speaker 1: you say the words, the words are written, that's what
Speaker 1: you say. They've been crafted, they've been like you say
Speaker 1: the words. And I getting here in this room and
Speaker 1: this cat is all over the place, he's bouncing off
Speaker 1: the walls, and I'm like, he already had the job.
Speaker 1: So my line, I'm like, what are you doing? Like
Speaker 1: do you have a friend that you want to get
Speaker 1: in this role? Like what's happening? Uh? So to see
Speaker 1: where that has gone. That was in two thousand six
Speaker 1: and now you're talking about I never would have thought
Speaker 1: in that moment that sixteen years later we still would
Speaker 1: be friends, and we would be even closer friends, and
Speaker 1: he would be really like family, like a brother to
Speaker 1: me at this point. But again, that's just all comes
Speaker 1: from playing in the place of make believe, where it's at.
Speaker 1: That's all we that's all we're doing. I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: often times on sets, I'm just like everybody calmed down, relaxed, relaxed.
Speaker 1: We're just playing make believe here, That's all we're doing.
Speaker 1: That's all we're doing. Guys. It's like, I don't ever
Speaker 1: let anybody ever tell you anything different. Yes, the work
Speaker 1: you do inspires people. Yes, the work you do can
Speaker 1: affect change, and this is that. Or we're playing make
Speaker 1: believe because you're not really so and so like I'm
Speaker 1: not really Guss, I'm Dula putting on these clothes and
Speaker 1: playing not really Bill, not really exactly, not really in
Speaker 1: the same way my son right now says, I'm pretending
Speaker 1: that that's all we're doing. And some do it better
Speaker 1: than others, some have opportunities to do it more than others.
Speaker 1: But even Pacino is playing make believe. We're just playing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I can and that's awesome, and I feel like
Speaker 1: it is awesome. I feel like now you need it
Speaker 1: now more than ever. Telling stories is the most powerful thing.
Speaker 1: And I also feel like through the storytellings you can
Speaker 1: tell so much. But it is just make yes, and
Speaker 1: it's something. That's what I was going to say, is
Speaker 1: there's things that you can, you know, I grasp from playing,
Speaker 1: from playing Make Believe or from seeing somebody else play
Speaker 1: Make Believe. There's things you can learn about yourself, things
Speaker 1: you can learn them off the world, things that can
Speaker 1: inspire you to go and effect change in the real world.
Speaker 1: But at the core of it, we still are playing
Speaker 1: making That's just so I always try to remind people
Speaker 1: of it. It's a good reminder. And so Season two
Speaker 1: of The Wonder Years is coming out, which is so exciting.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited to share this world with with our audience.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of fun. We're gonna have
Speaker 1: a lot of fun guest stars, and I think there'll
Speaker 1: be a lot of laughs to be had. I'm excited.
Speaker 1: And what's next for do La Hill? Anything you can say,
Speaker 1: any manifestations you want to put out, you know, it
Speaker 1: would be interesting to see. It's a time of transition.
Speaker 1: You know, our daughter Kennedy has gone off to Northwestern,
Speaker 1: so she's there doing her volleyball thing. And that is
Speaker 1: very surreal because just a few months ago she was
Speaker 1: at home in high school and the other day I
Speaker 1: turned on ESPN Plus and there she was playing, and
Speaker 1: she's like a person playing do you Want? That's been
Speaker 1: the thing that most every I think has boggled my
Speaker 1: mind of this is crazy, like how quickly things can
Speaker 1: change involved Levi is growing up so wonderfully, and it's
Speaker 1: a time of transition. So I really don't know exactly
Speaker 1: what is next. I know what's next is I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go and knock out this season of the show, but
Speaker 1: it can I always stay open to what's next. Speaking
Speaker 1: of what's next, that's like what President Brightly always say,
Speaker 1: what's next. That's something that stays with me because I'm
Speaker 1: always open to what is next any personal projects. For
Speaker 1: personal projects, I want to keep learning the piano. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna keep learning the sacks. I have a goal of
Speaker 1: playing the saxophone on air because then when now when
Speaker 1: I play on the show, I got the keys right,
Speaker 1: but someone else's I want them to record it live.
Speaker 1: One time on the set so that I could say, no,
Speaker 1: that was me playing that. So that's a little personal
Speaker 1: goal that I have just keep to keep learning and
Speaker 1: growing in my art forms. I want to dance more.
Speaker 1: I want to play the piano more. I want to
Speaker 1: play the sacks more. I want to sing more. I
Speaker 1: want to continue to act. I just I'm gonna feed
Speaker 1: like so more seed into being creative and just trying
Speaker 1: to be better. Better, be a better being, be a
Speaker 1: better husband, be a better father, and be a better man.
Speaker 1: But also give myself the space and the grace to
Speaker 1: know that it's a process. Yeah, I've been following. My
Speaker 1: friend told me about the one percent rule, which is
Speaker 1: to do something to make yourself one percent better than
Speaker 1: you were yesterday in one aspect of your life. I
Speaker 1: love it. So, whether that's sending an email or doing
Speaker 1: a yoga class or making a like whatever, it is
Speaker 1: doing something one thing a day because one percent. And
Speaker 1: I've been doing it. I know it's a huge difference,
Speaker 1: but it's I think. I love I love that idea.
Speaker 1: One thing that I've tried to do and I'm still
Speaker 1: working on it is to respond to email within twenty
Speaker 1: four hours. My wife's best friend, Jocelyn. That's like something
Speaker 1: she does. Within twenty four she respawns back to impressive.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to that's like my little focus because
Speaker 1: I'm not the best at it. I'm not the best.
Speaker 1: It's hard. You have to, like dear so and so
Speaker 1: trying to play this piano, my simply piano, simply piano
Speaker 1: from on five, you know. But that's something that I'm
Speaker 1: working on, and I'm I'm working on being on time.
Speaker 1: I was on time to what I'm saying, and most
Speaker 1: time with l A traffic, you know, sometimes i'm set,
Speaker 1: I'm in like a five or seven minute grace period.
Speaker 1: I'm always on time to set. I'm not always on
Speaker 1: time to the greater set, but when it's time to roll,
Speaker 1: ready to roll, I'm ready to roll. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: few times, I won't say very few. Casality's probably gonna
Speaker 1: hear that and be like very few times, but just
Speaker 1: a few times that they're actually waiting for me on set.
Speaker 1: But I can be late to work or late to
Speaker 1: an appointment if I'm working on that. Ye're human, you know,
Speaker 1: But I also don't like people to be late when
Speaker 1: it when it's for me. So that's the hypocrisy of
Speaker 1: my life. Everybody, but you know what, we all have
Speaker 1: it well. Juli, thank you so much for taking the
Speaker 1: time out of your day to call my podcast, this
Speaker 1: conversation and truly just made my week. I'm so excited
Speaker 1: to watch The Wonder Years season two and see what
Speaker 1: else is to come, and that hopefully to see you
Speaker 1: play the saxophone live on as it's coming the time.
Speaker 1: Right now, We've had a great conversation and I look
Speaker 1: forward to slicing his pineapple up for the road.