1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Hi, guys, It's Sammy J. And welcome back to this 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: week's episode of the Lesbie World Podcast. This is our 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: season four finale, which is absurd to think about the 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: past fifty two episodes and four seasons. I'm more grateful 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: for this experience than I can ever say. And to 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: kick off this finale, what better way than to chat 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: with the incredible after performer dancer Dole Hill. This might 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: be one of my favorite episodes of all time. I'm 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: just gonna say it. I started the episode by bringing 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: a pineapple because if you are a fan of the 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: show psych and you are a psycho, you know you know. Anyways, 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: I love you, guys, and I hope you love this episode. Two. 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to this week's episode of the 14 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: Letsbie Oral Podcast. I am so honored because I am 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: sitting next to the one and only Dole Hill. Thank 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: you so much for coming on. It's my pledge, is 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: my pledging. You have such a unique perspective, and I 18 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: think you're such an underrated artist because you've been in 19 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: the business for so long and you've been in such 20 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: a variety of stuff. But before we start, I feel 21 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: like it needs to be sad that I'm a psycho 22 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: and and I'm so excited to get into this conversation. Well, 23 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you are a psycho. I'm glad to 24 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: be here, and I'm glad that you are a fan 25 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: of Delicious Flavor. Absolutely, the psych world really holds a 26 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: place close to my heart, like the entire fan base. 27 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: Not just it's it's a it's a whole, it's a 28 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: whole thing, figger than itself at this point, it really is. 29 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: And what I love about the psyche world is that 30 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: I feel like I feel that psychos celebrate and appreciate 31 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: our unique idiosyncrasy is what makes us different. You know, 32 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: some folks may think we're like in general, made me 33 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: think we were Like people might think Gus is a cornball, 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: but psychos celebrate that like that's Gus is who he is, 35 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: and it's and he's worth celebrating. And not not only 36 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: on the show itself, but I think that is translated 37 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: into the whole site community. We celebrate what makes us unique, 38 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: our unique glow full like a pineapple. Have you ever 39 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: tried white pineapples? A real question? I have not. I've 40 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: never even heard of white pineapples. Okay, so when I 41 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: was in Hawaii, they have white pineapple and it's white 42 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: on the inside and it's like pineapple without the acidity. Really, 43 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: you're sweeten. Really it is heaven. If you can never 44 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: get your hand on some white pineapple was underrated fruit 45 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: I've ever had in my life. And everyone needs to 46 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: be aware of you. See, I need to check it out. 47 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: Check it out. And if you turn on Psychle one 48 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: day and here is talking about and they say Psyched 49 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: the movie whatever, and here is talking about a white pineapple, 50 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: then you know where it came from. You know what? 51 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 1: I think you just have to try and get ready. Um. 52 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: Something that I also need to tell you that I 53 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: did mention before is I did join a top class 54 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,839 Speaker 1: because you inspired me. I think that's phenomenal. I would 55 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: love to start with tap. What drew you to that sport? 56 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: Because it is a sport. I mean, yes, it is 57 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: a look. It is a sport that I do think. 58 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: You have to be athletic in your own way to 59 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: be able to dance in general, but especially to tap dance, 60 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: just the way your body moves and contorts to create rhythm. 61 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: For myself, I started at the age of three, and 62 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: I really was just following the crowd because my brother 63 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: and my cousins were going to a dance school. My 64 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: mom was a ballet teacher there at the dance school. 65 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: It's a school called Marie Wildly School of Dance in 66 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: eastern New Jersey, and I went there just to be 67 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: around them as I was about the age of three, 68 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,119 Speaker 1: and I was took jazz, tap in ballet, and as 69 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: I kept going, I started to get more affinity for 70 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: a tap and then at the age of nine, I 71 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: booked this show called The Tap Dance Kid, which was 72 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: on Broadway, and I just studied Savior and Glover on 73 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: Broadway for really about like five or six months, and 74 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: then I did the lead role on the national tour 75 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: for another year. But on the national tour I performed 76 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: with somebody by the name of Harold Nicholas, who was 77 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: of the legendary tap group the Nicholas Brothers. They're an 78 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: iconic tap duo. And being able to see what Harold 79 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: was doing day in and day out compared to what 80 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: I was doing really inspired me to go deeper in 81 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: dance because that's I was able to see the musicality 82 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: of dance and all of what you can do with it, 83 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: I guess. A few years later I ended up doing 84 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: a show called Black and Blue on Broadway at the 85 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: same Minskoff Theater, and you see what I'm saying, And 86 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: that was with our Bunny Briggs, Lin Cheney, Ralph Brown, 87 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: Buster Brown, Chuck Green, Jimmy Slide. These are all the 88 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: hoover Is, the legends of legends of tap and being 89 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: around them and really seeing what they were doing continuous 90 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: had me go deeper and deeper. And then finally, when 91 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: I was about twenty, Savioan Glover called me to see 92 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: what I was doing. And I was a junior at 93 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: cton Hall University of New Jersey, and he needed one 94 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: more dancer for a show called Bringing Noise, Bring the Phone, 95 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: and I did that off Broadway, and then we went 96 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: to Broadway. And that's really when I started to grasp 97 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: onto tap as my own because I started to really 98 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: understand how it is music, how it is communication, and 99 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: how it is really it's a language, and for me 100 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: it started to become a thing that was very cathartic. 101 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: I was able to deal with my emotions and speak 102 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: on things that I didn't have the vocabulary to speak on, 103 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: just by putting it into my dance. We watched a 104 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: short film on top my class. It was amazing and 105 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: if there was a stylog just through their steps, and 106 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything so just mesmerizing like that. The 107 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: reason why I think tap is mesmerizing is because of 108 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: the musicality, because that's the only dance form that's both 109 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: a dance and music. You know, if you hear music, 110 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: it can just draw you in the how melodic it 111 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: is and the phrasing of things, and tap is the 112 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: same way that as people are expressing them themselves through 113 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: dance and through music, I think the music side of 114 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: it really can draw you, draw you into that way. 115 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 1: Do you have any other creative outlets. I've been trying 116 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: to learn how to play the piano. I've been using 117 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: this app called Simply Piano Piano. Has it been helping 118 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: very much? I took it. I picked it up around 119 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: Christmas time. I did not know how to read music 120 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: or anything, and it has really been helping me out. 121 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: I can now reach heat music, I can know where 122 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: how to play on the on the keys. That's huge. Yes, 123 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: it's pretty impressive. And this is not a paid endorsement 124 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: or anything. I just really picked up Sampo piano and 125 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: I love it. You know, I paid my monthly fee 126 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: every month. It's like you know, some app costs, and uh, 127 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: you learn all these songs? What songs I've played? What's 128 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: the what's the song that that's in my head right there? 129 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: It's a song from Poor Game Best that I I've 130 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: learned how to play. I've learned how to play the 131 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: James Bond theme song. I've learned how to play a 132 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: whole bunch of like some of a Room five song. 133 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: All these kind of like the library of music that 134 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: they have in here is pretty impressive. So what are 135 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: you working on now? What's the goal next? Well? All right, 136 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean I can open up my app because if 137 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: you look at it, a simple piano right there on 138 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: my is buffering this so I can come back to 139 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: when it when it actually comes on, because I guess 140 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: the signal side here is not you we'll come back 141 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, but I love it, so I've been 142 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: doing that. And then also because of the show that 143 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: I'm on now, The Wonder Years, Hey, I talk about it. 144 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. But okay, hold on, I 145 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: write along to me simply piano. It's loading, guys, I 146 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: got a feeling. Okay, see you're right here. That's gonna 147 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: be the next thing I work on set right there? 148 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: How long do you spend a week generally playing piano 149 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: when I'm working a lot, because in between setups, we 150 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: have a piano on the set, and in between setups, 151 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: I'll go and play. And I'm filming Atlanta, so I'm 152 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: by myself. My family is still here in l A. 153 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: So I will at home at night just to entertain 154 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: myself and to learn. I'll do that. It's a little 155 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: more challenging here to spend the time. Yeah, I mean, 156 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: I'm like I said, then be on a piano for 157 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: forty five minutes when I can spend time hanging out 158 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: with LEVI. So it's been harder at home. It's been 159 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: really hard at home to pick up my other thing 160 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: which I'm doing, which is the saxophone. But the saxophone, 161 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: I've played saxophone when I was in middle school. I 162 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: played it for about four years. Then I put it 163 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: down for about fifteen years, and then I did a 164 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: show off broad on Broadway in twenty thirteen around there 165 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: called After Midnight. That was with Fantasia Barrino. Desmond Richardson, 166 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: all these phenomenal in a cast full of phenomenal artists 167 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: in the Jazz at Lincoln Center, all stars. So in 168 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: my mind, I'm working with these great musicians. I might 169 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: also trying to maximize the time. So I dusted off 170 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: my saxophone, and thankfully a lot of the cats there, 171 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: especially Mark Gross who's a brilliant saxophone player. He uh, 172 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: I started teaching me how to play. So I started 173 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: learning thing, and then of course once the show ended, 174 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:25,119 Speaker 1: I put it back down. And then now for wonder years, 175 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: my character Bill Williams on the show, he plays the saxophone. 176 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: Actually he plays the guitar, the piano, and the saxophone. 177 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: That told Salady and Patterson, who's the show creator, that 178 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm having more of an affinity for the sacks, and 179 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: I know that better, so the more we can use that, 180 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: the better. So now he's leaning more into him playing 181 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: the saxophone. And I have a teacher out there too, 182 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: who comes to the setting is uh Shepherd. He thought 183 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: there teaching me how to how to play the sacks, 184 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: and I love it. Always learning, always learning. I think 185 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: it's important to always keep learning, you know, That's how 186 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: you keep expanding in mind. That's how you keep leaning 187 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: into tomorrow, that's how you keep growing. This years ago, 188 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: I was, you know, I'm a tap dancer, and I 189 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: was talking to Jimmy Slide, who was one of the 190 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: legends of dance, and I was always enthralled with the 191 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: idea of the journey of a hoofer, you know, like 192 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: the journey of tap dancers, and really jumping through without 193 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: going all into the whole conversation. He's told me, you know, 194 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: people call me a tap master, but you can never 195 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: be a master of tap. Every time I put on 196 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: my shoes, I keep learning, I keep growing. The day 197 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: I put on my shoes and I stopped learning, and 198 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: I stopped growing, is it danny to take my tap 199 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: shoes off? That always stuck with me that no matter 200 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: how good you are at something, no matter how prolific 201 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: you are at something, whether it's an art form, or 202 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: whether it's what you do with your job, or whether 203 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: it's how you interact with people, always keep leaning into 204 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: it because it's always something to learn, is always a 205 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: place to grow. It really struck me that this is 206 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: somebody who had been dancing for half a century by 207 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: that point and he was a tap master. He's passed 208 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: away now, but he was a tap master. But in 209 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: his mind, you can never master that. You have to 210 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: keep leaning into that. I just think that that's a brilliant, 211 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: agrelliant way to approach life, absolutely, And I feel like, 212 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: what's the fun of life if you're not learning and 213 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: keeping your mind open and just keep expanding your horizons 214 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: and trying things that you can't get right away, failing, 215 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: failing up. You're only failing if you don't get back up. 216 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: That's right, You're just trying. It's like, come on, let 217 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: me let me try to get this thing. Let me 218 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: try it again, Let me try it again, let me 219 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: try it again. It's the way that I tried to 220 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: live my life. It's a good way too. And I 221 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: think you have a very unique perspective. You've been in 222 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: the business a very long time and there are a 223 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: lot of ins and outs that people don't see. And 224 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: I was wondering what the most difficult part of the 225 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: entertainment industry that you face that isn't discussed much. I 226 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: think it varies depending on which stage of life that 227 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: you are in stage of your career. When I first 228 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: was looking to create space for myself as an actor. 229 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: That was the biggest challenge was getting people to see 230 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: me as an actor because I started as a tap 231 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: dancer mostly on Broadway. I was doing musicals and trying 232 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: to create that space of I'm an actor. I can 233 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: do scene work. I think one of the most flattering, 234 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: our most appreciative compliments I ever got was when Aaron 235 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: Sorkin said to casting he said, if more dancers act 236 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: like Dole, than we need to hire more dancers. And 237 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: that really was because I was fighting so much trying 238 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: to create space as an actor. It's kind of funny 239 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: because now people don't realize always that I'm a tap dancer, 240 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: because that was like you dance. It's funny how life 241 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: can evolved that way. But when I was younger, that 242 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: was the part about the career, just trying to create 243 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: space and in terms of trying to get people to 244 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: see me as an actor, but also trying to just 245 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: create space for myself in the business. Like I felt 246 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: like I was a good actor. I felt that I 247 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: had something to offer and getting someone to see that, 248 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: especially someone like Aaron Sorkin and being on a show 249 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: that is so dialogue heavy and it's you know, it's 250 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: so fast paced. Was being on that show? Do you 251 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: think that helped you um grow as an actor? Just 252 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: being around that kind of right and that kind of 253 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: you know, go go go, oh, yeah you can. You 254 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: can't be around doing the words of Aaron Sorkin being 255 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: directed by Tommy Schlami, working with Martin Sheen and Alison Jenny, 256 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: John Spencer, Richard Schiff, Brad for you know, Rob low 257 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: Stocker chanting. I mean, the list goes on. You can't 258 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: be around that group of creative people and not get better. 259 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: It's like if I played basketball every day with Michael Jordan, 260 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: Lebron James, Magic Johnson and Larry Birds, you would improve exactly. 261 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: And I'm not a good basketball player, not at all, 262 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 1: but I wouldn't. There's no way that I could keep 263 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: playing with them for seven years, day in day out 264 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: and not get better. I think you are known by 265 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: the company you keep, which is why I tried to 266 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: always get around people who who can inspire me to 267 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: reach reach further. Yeah, it's surrounding. You know, you are 268 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: who you surround yourself with. And when you surround yourself 269 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: with other driven people that make you want to be better, 270 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: you want to do the same same thing. You know, 271 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: it's funny to talk about the West Wing to being 272 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: a tap dance to help me understand how to tackle 273 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: the dialogue of it's all rhythm. And once once I 274 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: got that that, it all made sense to me. I said, Oh, 275 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: this is a song. Yeah, this is all just musicality 276 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: right here. West Wing truly is just musicality like it 277 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: is so it is so brilliant. What is the biggest 278 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: takeaway you learned from that show? I think one. There's 279 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: a few things, so I guess it wouldn't be the biggest. 280 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: It would be a few of the big takeaways. One 281 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: was to always stay humble in the midst of what's 282 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: going on because it's not going to last forever. I 283 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: really appreciate how Martin Sheen was is such a humble person. 284 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: He's always connected to his fellow beings. He's not a 285 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: subjector of persons, meaning he's not going to talk to 286 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: you one way because he doesn't look at you as 287 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: as being a value. Everyone is a value involved in 288 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: the creative process, from Aaron Sorkin to a p a 289 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: who just came on set for one day. And I 290 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: was aware of that. I could see because I very rare. 291 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: It is very rare, and I had just done a 292 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: team movie before that name She's all that. And I've 293 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: seen how a lot of my peers we're acting on 294 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: the set. It was my first studio film, and being 295 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: on that set and seeing how the egos that were 296 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: there that could be amongst a lot of a lot 297 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: of people, but in that case a lot of young people. 298 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: And then to come to the West Wing set and 299 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: see how Martin, who it's such a great, vast body 300 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: of work, how humble he was, how connected he was 301 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: really stuck with me, And for myself, I said, that's 302 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: more the path that I want to follow. That seem 303 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: that resonates more with me of appreciating people. And I 304 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: guess for myself too, because I've been on the other 305 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: side of the coin, especially being in Noise Funk where 306 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: Savian was the you know, the big quote unquote star, 307 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: and that's that's that was my brother, my my my man, 308 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: and we would roll tight and I would go to 309 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: places with him. But because people then I recognize me, 310 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got the soft handshake that hey, how 311 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: are you doing, brother? And moving on, you know what 312 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: I mean? And even and even after she saw that 313 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: because me and Freddie Prince are very close and hanging 314 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: out with Freddie Prince during that time, he was Freddie Prince. Yes, 315 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: I was in the movie, but I wasn't Freddie. I 316 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: would get that same thing here in l A two 317 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: of The Brush Off. Really, it is not until West 318 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: Wing came along that people started to now they want 319 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: to be up in my face. But I took that 320 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: in of I'm still me, and I think it's important 321 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: to always engage people, no matter who they are, where 322 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: they are, you know. So that's something that took away 323 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: from it. And then the other thing that I took 324 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: away from it, from the art, from the craftmanship of 325 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: it is to keep reaching. It's like a theme. I 326 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: keep going back to this, but I remember, you know, 327 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: the first season we got we won Best Drama, and 328 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: we're getting all these awards, and the collective energy of 329 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: the past and the crew was let's go higher, let's 330 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: go deeper, let's not live off of our laurels of yesterday. 331 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: We had a great first season. The second season is 332 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: even harder. Let's keep digging, and that I like, that's 333 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: still how I am. As a tap to answer on 334 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: that way and as an actor on that way, and 335 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: I hope that as a person on that way where 336 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: it's let's keep going further, it is more to get 337 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: you know what. That's so funny you say that, because 338 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: I think that shows and everything you've done, but also 339 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: with Psych alone, the movie is just keep getting better. 340 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: It's like it's the thing that it's like it just 341 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: doesn't want to stop. It just doesn't want to stop. 342 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: So it's one of those things. And I know that 343 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: Psych it's such a collective, a unit. And so those 344 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: lessons you learned from West Wing, did that translate into 345 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: that show as well? I think so. I think, uh, 346 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: I think coming to Psych from the West Wing, it 347 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: was I came to the show now in a different 348 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: position because I was more of a lead, one of 349 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: the leads of the of the show. But Martin's energy 350 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: stayed with me of respecting everybody and this is how 351 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: we're going to do it on this set. Really it 352 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: still stays with me. And he said that I go 353 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: to I try to keep that energy where it's like, well, 354 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: we're all here trying to make something, make somethings exactly. 355 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: Let's respect everybody, Let's love everybody, let's let's just give 356 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: our best best sells. I always say, I'm kind of 357 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: going down a side street. But if you get a 358 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: group of brilliant people together, a group of talented people 359 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: together in a room who respect each other and give 360 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: space for each other to show their gifts, something brilliant 361 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: is bound to happen. It will always happen. Now, mind you, 362 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: that may not always turn into this commercial success, but 363 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: it depends on how you define personal success. Well I 364 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: said commercial success. Yeah, yeah, it will be a personal 365 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: a personal success. But that's just it's just the art 366 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: world and not everything you do with a commercial success. 367 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: But if you get people in the room and we 368 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: all respect each other, give space for each other, give 369 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: space for your voice and my voice, and hear each other, 370 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: and then allow our gifts to shine, something brilliant is 371 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: going to happen. And that's really what I tried to 372 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: bring to every set that I come to. On the site, 373 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: set was the same thing of it's all I mean, 374 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: some bits could come up from somebody in the crew 375 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: just saying that we'll try sure, like if if it 376 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: made sense. It wasn't just the type of thing of no, 377 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: you sit there and you do your job and I'll 378 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: do my job. Or no, only Sean Spen's only James 379 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: Rode Mariguez, He's the only one that gets to be funny. No, 380 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: Tim Momson can be funny. Maggie Lawson can be funny. 381 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: I could be funny, curs to Nelson Corporate Burnton. If 382 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: it made the peace funny, then that's what we were 383 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: going to do. It wasn't about one particular person having 384 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: to get all the shine. It seems like it's also 385 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: about the process of making and I feel like so 386 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: much is focused on the end result a lot of 387 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: the time, but you know, enjoying the actual process of 388 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: being in the moment and going off of other people's refs, 389 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: like it's the most collaborating is I have found personally 390 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: in film school one of the most satisfying things. That's 391 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: one of the parts about this industry that I love 392 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: the most is being in this space with people and 393 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: all right, let's create. Let's see what we come up with, 394 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: and let's see if we hit the hit the target, 395 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: and if not, then will try again. You know, if 396 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: we didn't get it right this episode, we're gonna try 397 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: again next episode. If we didn't get rid of this performance. 398 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: If it's on stage, we're gonna go deeper. Well let's 399 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: try it again. Yeah. I love the creative process. I 400 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: really get off on it. And I feel like there's 401 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: something so magical of having an idea and just seeing 402 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: the process of it coming alive. It's just it's unlike 403 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: anything I've experienced, and I just want to continue experiencing. 404 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: And I think you should. I think you should, not 405 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: think you will. I appreciate that. I think something that 406 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: going with psych You guys really played with format a lot, 407 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: and I think that's one of the reasons why you 408 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: had different themes from a werewolf theme to a musical theme. 409 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: You know, you redid the same episode twice, you know, 410 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: like when you start running out of ideas, you said, 411 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: you know what was the worst episode that we did, 412 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: let's redo that one? Is that? Is that how that happened? 413 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: Because I thought Copy with the Chance of Murder was 414 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: a great episode in the first look. It's the type 415 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: of thing where the further you go along on anything, 416 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: like the songs that I could sing now that I'm 417 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: like I could sing, I could sing a lot better 418 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: now there's material even with the West Wing. I feel 419 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: like if I went back and had a chance to 420 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: do some of that material, what could I do with 421 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: it now? So I think with Psych in that episode, 422 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: it was we're just to show that swings for the 423 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: fences and does all these crazy wacky things. What's something 424 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: that you don't see on television too often? Then redoing 425 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: the same I mean, it's so absurd when you think 426 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: about it. Did I take my hat off to even 427 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: the USA, you know, for for supporting it, because your 428 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: network and you're like, what's just the same name? What 429 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: same thing? So it was really but that was an 430 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:56,719 Speaker 1: episode that we didn't feel we got right, that we 431 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: could have got done better, which I think in general 432 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: artists probably always feel that way about work that they've done. 433 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: But but the fact that you got to actually revisit 434 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: it and then redo it. Has any other show done 435 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: that before? I don't think so obviously that's something I 436 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: would be interested to know. So if somebody's listening to 437 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: this and has the time to check all the television 438 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: that has ever been done, but it's like, you's redone 439 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: the same episode, And I think that's what's so great 440 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: about it is because you just are so willing to 441 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: try anything. You're kind of playing with supernatural sometimes and 442 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: playing with different ideas. So when it's like four coming out, 443 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: when is the four movie coming out? That's a good question, 444 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: you know. I always say, as long as the cycles 445 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: still wanted, then it will come. So I'm sure that 446 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: at some point there will be another one. I just 447 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: don't know when that will be. So to all the cycles, 448 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: I will say, wait for read. I had to do it, 449 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: you know that's right? Yeah, there we go. Was that 450 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: a plan name Gusa? Thank you? Yeah? Yeah, you know 451 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: that's right, speaking of a player name Gus. That episode 452 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: was written by Saladin Kay Pattison, who is the creative 453 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 1: of the Wonder Years. No way, and look at that transition, right, 454 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: It's always connected your career so has so many full 455 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: circle moments there really is. For example, Chris Henzi, who 456 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: is the one of the exact producers of Psych. He's 457 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: also Alison Jenny's manager, so I've known Chris Henzi from 458 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: the West Wing. That's one of that was one of 459 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: the connections of going to Psych. Also, when I was 460 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: doing Bringing Noise Brain, the Funk USA used to have 461 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: this campaign called Erase the Hate where they would do 462 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: like these little commercials, a little interstitials about combating hate. 463 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: And the person who was running a race to hate 464 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: back in the nineties when I was doing Bringing Noise, 465 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: Bring the Funk was a lady by the name of 466 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: Bonnie Hammer who ended up becoming the President of USA 467 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: at the time. And I mean, now she's way up 468 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: there in terms of the whole universal world, but that 469 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: was a connection there too. So then now I go 470 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: and do psych. Then you have Salady and Patterson, who's 471 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: he was one of the co exact producers and he 472 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: did that episode that you're talking about. Years later he's 473 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: doing The Wonder years and now lo and behold here 474 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 1: I am. So what is that like working with the 475 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: same people on different projects. I think it's great. I 476 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: love it. I think that's there's something that that's a 477 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: part of the beauty of our being blessed to have 478 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: longevity in the industry that you keep crossing past with people, 479 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: and once you work with somebody started having a backhand 480 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: like now we're meeting here, Now we crossed passed again 481 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: two years to years from now. It's more like, hey, 482 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: it's happening, or you know, yeah, it's it's it's a little, 483 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: it's a little more familiar, and I think that's the 484 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: beauty of being in this business. Even as I'm thinking 485 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: about a world's connecting I did. I understudied Saving and 486 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: Glover in the Tap Dance Kid, and then when Bringing 487 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: Always came around, I work with him again. So the 488 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: I can make a direct connection of how other steps 489 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: taken to get to where I am creatively, the people 490 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: I've crossed passed with. Okay, so we have to take 491 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: a quick break. But when we come back, I wanted 492 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: to talk about the second season of The Wonder Years, 493 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 1: how the essence of the show really reflects on our 494 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: culture today, a lot more about psych and much more. 495 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: We'll be right back, and we're back. I'm very excited 496 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: to talk about The wond Years because you said that 497 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: this show is quote it looks back on yesterday to 498 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: tell a story about who we are today, and I'd 499 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: love for you to expand on that, because I think 500 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: you said it perfectly. You know, the more things change, 501 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: the more they stay the same, And often times I 502 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: think you have to take a look back at yesterday 503 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: to really engauge where we are and how we got 504 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: to where we are, how we got to where we 505 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: are and to see it to kind of like grade yourself, 506 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: because if I'm just living in a vacuum, then it's like, oh, yeah, 507 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing great whatever. But it's when it's only when 508 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: you have in comparison to something you can realize either 509 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: we've made a lot of change or we have not 510 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: made a lot of change. You can see how certain 511 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: things are. Yeah, we've moved forward from from that some ways, 512 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: not so much, not so much, and recognizing that as so, 513 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: because that's the only way to move forward exactly. And 514 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: that's really that's really what I love about this show 515 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: is that it's a based in the sixties, based in 516 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: the sixties about a black family in Alabama, and in 517 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: the midst of all the trouble of the time, the 518 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: turbulence of the time, the challenges of the time, they're 519 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: able to create their very own wonder years and it's 520 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: filled with love and laughter and heart. It's a good 521 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: growing up story. I think it's a great growing up story, 522 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: and I feel that it's something I appreciate having that 523 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: on the air now. I completely agree, coming in, week in, 524 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: week out into our homes. There's not many things on 525 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: television where families can sit down and watch it together. 526 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: Psych I feel like it was one of those uh 527 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: and this show I appreciate because the lens that is 528 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: looking through grounds the show a little bit more so 529 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: it still is dealing with the world around us, but 530 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: it also is bringing a lot of humor and levity 531 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: as well. What is it like playing a dad? You know, 532 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: it's funny he's back. It's kind of like a time warp, Like, wait, 533 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: wasn't it just in the tap? And it's strange because 534 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: like on The West Wing, I was I was a 535 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: young cat. Even on Psyche, we all appears so we're 536 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: all just people doing the work. And then I get 537 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: on Wonder Years and people are talking about how they 538 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: went around when the first one of the Years came on, 539 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, you know, and E. J. Williams is saying, 540 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: you know, do you know he's been around for so long. 541 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: He's been in this game, for this business for so long. 542 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: It's really cool to work with someone like I'm like, wait, 543 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: what I've been about here for so long? What are 544 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: you talking about? Young man? Me and you the same age. 545 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: I'm a kid. You understand because I have a beard 546 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,719 Speaker 1: and I have some grades doesn't mean that I went 547 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: out the same age, right, But you know, at first 548 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: he gets a little shocking of way it's like I'm 549 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: playing a dad now. But then right on the heels 550 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: of that, you appreciate it because again going back to 551 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: what I was saying before about even the wonder years, 552 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: when you put it in perspective of everything else, that 553 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: means do let you've been on this journey for a 554 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: long time. You've had the opportunity to do it for 555 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: a long time, to do what you love for a 556 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: long time. You've been blessed to really create space for 557 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: yoursel as a creative individual from the age of ten 558 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: till now. That's that's a huge blessing. So just take 559 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:06,719 Speaker 1: it in the fact that you can play a dad 560 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: on television now is a wonderful thing. Do you have 561 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: to change your mindset like when going about the acting process, Uh, 562 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: be more affirmative at all. I don't think so. I 563 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: think each character is different. I think the process is 564 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: always relatively the same. It just depends on who the 565 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: character is. What is the process generally? I mean, for me, 566 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: I wonder, how how does this person talk, how do 567 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: they walk? What is their world view? Like? How do 568 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: they what is the lands that they look through? I 569 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 1: asked myself questions about how do they feel about those 570 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: who they are around? How do they feel about the 571 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: world beyond them? These are questions that I kind of 572 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: asked myself no matter which character that I'm playing, but 573 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: I feel Charlie Young walks differently than Burton Guster, works differently, 574 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: not at all, walks differently from Bill Williams. I think 575 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: who also? You know, I played a character on Suits 576 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: that person walked differently. Alex Williams, his energy is different. 577 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: How do you how do you channel of those energies. 578 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: It's funny because I don't. It's very hard for me 579 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: to put it in words. I've realized that over the 580 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: years that it's hard for me to actually put in 581 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: words the process. It's like jazz, it's like music. It 582 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: just yeah, I just let it. I fill it out. Then, 583 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: years ago, I did at William Esper Studios, which is 584 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: where I did my acting classes in New York. I 585 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: studied with Bill Esper. You know a lot of times 586 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: through the process you would work from the inside out. 587 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: But then for some of the work that we did there, 588 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: we put on these masks and then you would pick 589 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: a mask, put on the mask, and then you work 590 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: from the outside in. So if the mask is a 591 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: happy mask, if we start to affect how this person moves, 592 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: and it starts to teach me that all these things 593 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: come together, you do the homework at home with the 594 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: inside out. But then also the clothes that I put on, 595 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: the shoes that I put on. If it's if I'm 596 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: in slides, is different from if I'm in shoes. It's 597 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: different than if I made some platform shoes. That that 598 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: says a lot about the person. The kind of shoes 599 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: that they wear. There's a lot about the person that 600 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: kind of clothes that they wear. Do you ever feel 601 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,959 Speaker 1: limited in what you wear? Not because you're like, oh 602 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: that reminds me of that character, you mean personally or 603 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: as I going to the new personally? Oh no, No, 604 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: At anytime that I'm allowed to something can make it 605 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: from their closet to my closet. I'll take it that way. 606 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: Do it. Do it? You know, I can either confirm 607 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: nor deny whether I have anything from any of my 608 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: characters over the years. I cannot. They may look similar, 609 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: but they may not necessarily be the exact thing. No, 610 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: I may have just copied and pasted it. I may 611 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: have just found out. I found out where was purchased 612 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: from and from the manufacturer of course, exactly anything you 613 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: absolutely didn't take from any show anything, I absolutely didn't 614 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: take it. But you know, like I mean, let me see, 615 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: I didn't take a piece of the wheel from the Blueberry. 616 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: I did not. It's like a piece of the rim. 617 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: It blew up, well right now, I haven't, haven't. It's 618 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: like storage being that has like a whole bunch of 619 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: that stuff in there. I did not take the nameplate 620 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: from Burton Guster's desk. Never, No, never. I did not 621 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: take the sign outside of Charlie Young's office that said 622 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: Deputy Special Assistant to the Chief of Staff. No, I 623 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: did not take that. I should have taken the one 624 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: that said Charlie Young Personal Aide to the President. I 625 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: wasn't thinking at the time, and I did not take. 626 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: If those who who watch The West Wing the last 627 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: episode of the series, Martin Sheen are President, probably gives 628 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: Charlie Young a copy of the Constitution, it's a little 629 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: red book. I did not take that. Why would you 630 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: ever take That's not sentimental at all. I don't have that. 631 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: So if people are looking for. I don't know where 632 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: it is. I don't have. I don't have that. Well, 633 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: you know, I can either confirm nor there exactly. I'm 634 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: trying to think from suits? Yeah, do you take anything 635 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: from suits? Did I have anything from suits? Let me 636 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: think about it. No ties, no suits, not from the 637 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: I don't think I have. I think I took some 638 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: of this. Confirm nor din I you know, especially if 639 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: Aaron Corsh is listening to this right now, I don't 640 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: know Eron. I don't know if I've taken anything from that. 641 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: I've never taken any suit. You know. The anything about 642 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: suits is when I was when I was going to 643 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: Seton Hall. Growing up, my intention was to be a 644 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: corporate lawyer. I planned to go off to law school, 645 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: and then around my junior year, when I was doing 646 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: those phone on Bradway, I really started to ask myself, 647 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: what is it that I want to do with my life. 648 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: But I want to go into the corporate world and 649 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: be a corporate lawyer, or don't want to continue assuming 650 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: the arts. I eventually decided to pursue the arts because 651 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: I realized that that's what I had an affinity for, 652 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: but also at the time I said to myself, I 653 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: don't want to wear a suit to work every day. 654 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: I want to go and be creative, like do that thing. 655 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to wear a suit to work every day. 656 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: Then my first TV show is The West Wing, which 657 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: I would have to wear suits every day every day, 658 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: you know. And then of course Psych I had to 659 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: wear suits on that show as well. And then not 660 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: only that, but then afterwards I get a show called 661 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: Suits where I plays you know, where I wear suits 662 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: every day and I'm a corporate lawyer. You've lived every 663 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: You've lived it out vicariously, I did. I ended up 664 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: achieving both goals and I was an actor and I 665 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,239 Speaker 1: was a corporate lawyer exactly. You know what I mean. 666 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: You've accomplished at all. What was it like working with 667 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: your wife in Psych? Great? I love working with Jasmine. 668 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: We have a good time. It's great to just be 669 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: creative in that space. Having to join the psych world 670 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: was a lot of fun because I think it's a 671 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: I appreciate the love that the psychles have given over 672 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: the years, the support and being that Jasmine was such 673 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: a bussing to me in my life personally. I was 674 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: glad to be able to then to a certain cent 675 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: share our dynamic in a different way with with with 676 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: the psych world, with the psychles. Yeah. So I was 677 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: great working with her and she especially She's just it 678 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: was so much fun with the ball of energy coming 679 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: into the so true and something that if the Psych 680 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: movie doesn't come out anytime soon, I think we just 681 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: need the unedited of the birth scene of the last 682 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: how many that I think we all need. That was 683 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: a lot going on. Boy, how long did that take? Shot? In? 684 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: Two days? The one incause it was a long scene. 685 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: It's a really long scene and I don't think there 686 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: was any real plan about how we were going to 687 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: attack it. So we got there and we're like okay, 688 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: and then we figured it out and he just kept 689 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: chipping away it. It was a lot of heavy breathing 690 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: by using a lot of crying by my part. You know, 691 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: you've had to do a lot of screams. Oh yeah, 692 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: here's Lassie. Oh yeah. Oh. I think I think that 693 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: was really just if I'm not mistaken, did d write 694 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,959 Speaker 1: that episode? I believe he. I believe he wrote directed 695 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: and I don't think maybe directed it. I think it 696 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: was really just a thing of how can we get 697 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: do lated scream. Here's an idea, here's Lassie. That was 698 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: a lot of screaming in that one. That's a terrifying episode. 699 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: That was a lot of screaming. And Tim Thomason was 700 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: so great in that episode. He really dove right into 701 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: being a different kind of Psycho. Okay, we have to 702 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: take one more quick break, but when we come back, 703 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the second Psycho movie and 704 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: actually get your thoughts on a very special story Joel 705 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: McKell shared with me when he was on the podcast recently. 706 00:32:54,400 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: That kind a whole lot more right after this and 707 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: we're back. So Joel McHale was on the podcast and 708 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: he was telling we're talking about Psych. I just saw 709 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: Joe mckelly other day. Yeah, if you go onna maybe 710 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: Tim's Instagram or uh he was. We had like a 711 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: birthday at Tim's house the other day. Oh good. He 712 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: was just on the podcast and he was telling me 713 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: the whole story about the movie, um, the second movie, UM. 714 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: And I think it is so amazing how Psych and 715 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,479 Speaker 1: the family just comes together every time just to support 716 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: each other and to be there for each other. I 717 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: know that movie was especially very emotional to make because 718 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: it was we didn't know if you would be able 719 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: to make it again. What was the process like of 720 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: when that movie got green light and you guys could 721 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: go into production. I think more. I think less about 722 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: when it got green light and more when Tim walked 723 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: on set. That was really the touching moment because with 724 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: the first Psyche movie, it really was a whirlwind that 725 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: just happened. The ground shifted me. It was that was 726 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: something so far off of our radar what we thought. 727 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: Did you never even think of doing a movie after 728 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: the show ended? Or was it just like, we're gonna 729 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: let it be and see what happened. Chris mccamber who 730 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: was the president of USA at the time, he said 731 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: when the show was wrapping up that he's fairly confident 732 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: this is not the last we'll see of Seawan and 733 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: Gus now, mind you, you hear that often, so for 734 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 1: it to actually come into fruition was pretty surprising and welcomed. 735 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: But then when Tim had his joke that really really 736 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: shook us. We powered through. We're able to do the 737 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: first Psyche movie, but it wasn't the same because we 738 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: knew that Tim wasn't on set with us. It's a 739 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: part of your family, not there exactly. So when when 740 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: we were able to now do the second one and 741 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: to see Tim walk on set, it was I just 742 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: don't have the words to say how touching it was, 743 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: how inspiring it was, because Tim had really just leaned 744 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,959 Speaker 1: into what he was facing and kept putting one foot 745 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: in front of the other slowly and surely, and he 746 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: really willed himself back to the set and to see 747 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: his strength in the midst of that challenge was inspiring 748 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: and still is inspiring because he just keeps getting better 749 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: and better. Uh So seeing him on that set was 750 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: was just it was great. And then even Joel coming 751 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: up to do it was was pretty phenomenal to him. 752 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: We we actually did not you know, Tim Mombinson and 753 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: Joe mckill are pretty tight. We did not tell Tim 754 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 1: who was playing his father. We had like some weird name. 755 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: I forgot the name that was on the call sheet. 756 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: We put some weird name on It should have been 757 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: one of the names that I'm James Rude would call 758 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: us like it was something. It was something like that. 759 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: It was something, And of course Tim wants to know 760 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: because any actor would want to know who's playing my dad, 761 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: and it's a great actor he's known. You know, he's 762 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: hearing from Vancouver, this and that, and he's a theater 763 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: actor here and he's really great. Was like, huh, then, uh, 764 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly how now I'm trying to remember 765 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: which some he was here to route. I think he 766 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: came on that what happened? Okay, So then it was 767 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: then when he went on in the rehearsal in his 768 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: room on the on the set, and then all of 769 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: a sudden, Joe comes walking on and then Tim was 770 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: really just blown away to see his his friend coming 771 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: to play his dad. This industry is there's a lot 772 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: of challenging things that happened in his industry, but there's 773 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: also it's also a really good community of people who 774 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: love and support each other. At least along my journey, 775 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: I've been blessed to work with the community people who 776 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: love and support each other. And when you can find 777 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: those type of relationships, it really is a wonderful thing. 778 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: Having Joe come up, I mean, yeah, I'm sure he 779 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: was a fan of the show and he liked working 780 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: with us, but really he came up for Tim and 781 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: that's lovely. That's lovely to see those relationships that can 782 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 1: grow out of being creative, out of playing make believe 783 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: for a living. I mean, look at you and James 784 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: your day. Yeah, I mean he's one of my best 785 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,879 Speaker 1: friends and I have a lot of love for real day. 786 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: He was one of my groovesmen that my wedding or 787 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: an outwarding. Uh. You know when I first met Roald Day, 788 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: I'll never forget when I first was reading, doing chemistry 789 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: read with him. Oh I wish that was on the video, 790 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, probably you're probably looking at 791 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: my face that if there was on video, my face 792 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: would be look at him like what are you doing? 793 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: Because I came from the world of Aaron Sorkin, where 794 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: you say the words, the words are written, that's what 795 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: you say. They've been crafted, they've been like you say 796 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: the words. And I getting here in this room and 797 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: this cat is all over the place, he's bouncing off 798 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: the walls, and I'm like, he already had the job. 799 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: So my line, I'm like, what are you doing? Like 800 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: do you have a friend that you want to get 801 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: in this role? Like what's happening? Uh? So to see 802 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: where that has gone. That was in two thousand six 803 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 1: and now you're talking about I never would have thought 804 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 1: in that moment that sixteen years later we still would 805 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: be friends, and we would be even closer friends, and 806 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: he would be really like family, like a brother to 807 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,879 Speaker 1: me at this point. But again, that's just all comes 808 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: from playing in the place of make believe, where it's at. 809 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: That's all we that's all we're doing. I'm like, that's 810 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: often times on sets, I'm just like everybody calmed down, relaxed, relaxed. 811 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: We're just playing make believe here, That's all we're doing. 812 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: That's all we're doing. Guys. It's like, I don't ever 813 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: let anybody ever tell you anything different. Yes, the work 814 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: you do inspires people. Yes, the work you do can 815 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 1: affect change, and this is that. Or we're playing make 816 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: believe because you're not really so and so like I'm 817 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: not really Guss, I'm Dula putting on these clothes and 818 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: playing not really Bill, not really exactly, not really in 819 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: the same way my son right now says, I'm pretending 820 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,919 Speaker 1: that that's all we're doing. And some do it better 821 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 1: than others, some have opportunities to do it more than others. 822 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 1: But even Pacino is playing make believe. We're just playing. Yeah, 823 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: and I can and that's awesome, and I feel like 824 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: it is awesome. I feel like now you need it 825 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: now more than ever. Telling stories is the most powerful thing. 826 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: And I also feel like through the storytellings you can 827 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: tell so much. But it is just make yes, and 828 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: it's something. That's what I was going to say, is 829 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 1: there's things that you can, you know, I grasp from playing, 830 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,399 Speaker 1: from playing Make Believe or from seeing somebody else play 831 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: Make Believe. There's things you can learn about yourself, things 832 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: you can learn them off the world, things that can 833 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: inspire you to go and effect change in the real world. 834 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: But at the core of it, we still are playing 835 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: making That's just so I always try to remind people 836 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,399 Speaker 1: of it. It's a good reminder. And so Season two 837 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 1: of The Wonder Years is coming out, which is so exciting. 838 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm very excited to share this world with with our audience. 839 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of fun. We're gonna have 840 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: a lot of fun guest stars, and I think there'll 841 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: be a lot of laughs to be had. I'm excited. 842 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: And what's next for do La Hill? Anything you can say, 843 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: any manifestations you want to put out, you know, it 844 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: would be interesting to see. It's a time of transition. 845 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: You know, our daughter Kennedy has gone off to Northwestern, 846 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: so she's there doing her volleyball thing. And that is 847 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: very surreal because just a few months ago she was 848 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: at home in high school and the other day I 849 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: turned on ESPN Plus and there she was playing, and 850 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: she's like a person playing do you Want? That's been 851 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: the thing that most every I think has boggled my 852 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: mind of this is crazy, like how quickly things can 853 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: change involved Levi is growing up so wonderfully, and it's 854 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: a time of transition. So I really don't know exactly 855 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,399 Speaker 1: what is next. I know what's next is I'm gonna 856 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: go and knock out this season of the show, but 857 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: it can I always stay open to what's next. Speaking 858 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: of what's next, that's like what President Brightly always say, 859 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: what's next. That's something that stays with me because I'm 860 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: always open to what is next any personal projects. For 861 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: personal projects, I want to keep learning the piano. I'm 862 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,320 Speaker 1: gonna keep learning the sacks. I have a goal of 863 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: playing the saxophone on air because then when now when 864 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: I play on the show, I got the keys right, 865 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: but someone else's I want them to record it live. 866 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: One time on the set so that I could say, no, 867 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: that was me playing that. So that's a little personal 868 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: goal that I have just keep to keep learning and 869 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: growing in my art forms. I want to dance more. 870 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 1: I want to play the piano more. I want to 871 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: play the sacks more. I want to sing more. I 872 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 1: want to continue to act. I just I'm gonna feed 873 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,439 Speaker 1: like so more seed into being creative and just trying 874 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: to be better. Better, be a better being, be a 875 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,879 Speaker 1: better husband, be a better father, and be a better man. 876 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: But also give myself the space and the grace to 877 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: know that it's a process. Yeah, I've been following. My 878 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 1: friend told me about the one percent rule, which is 879 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: to do something to make yourself one percent better than 880 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 1: you were yesterday in one aspect of your life. I 881 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: love it. So, whether that's sending an email or doing 882 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: a yoga class or making a like whatever, it is 883 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: doing something one thing a day because one percent. And 884 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,320 Speaker 1: I've been doing it. I know it's a huge difference, 885 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: but it's I think. I love I love that idea. 886 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: One thing that I've tried to do and I'm still 887 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,439 Speaker 1: working on it is to respond to email within twenty 888 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 1: four hours. My wife's best friend, Jocelyn. That's like something 889 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,320 Speaker 1: she does. Within twenty four she respawns back to impressive. 890 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: And I'm trying to that's like my little focus because 891 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: I'm not the best at it. I'm not the best. 892 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,320 Speaker 1: It's hard. You have to, like dear so and so 893 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: trying to play this piano, my simply piano, simply piano 894 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: from on five, you know. But that's something that I'm 895 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,360 Speaker 1: working on, and I'm I'm working on being on time. 896 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:14,919 Speaker 1: I was on time to what I'm saying, and most 897 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: time with l A traffic, you know, sometimes i'm set, 898 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,320 Speaker 1: I'm in like a five or seven minute grace period. 899 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm always on time to set. I'm not always on 900 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 1: time to the greater set, but when it's time to roll, 901 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: ready to roll, I'm ready to roll. Yeah, there's a 902 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,439 Speaker 1: few times, I won't say very few. Casality's probably gonna 903 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: hear that and be like very few times, but just 904 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: a few times that they're actually waiting for me on set. 905 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: But I can be late to work or late to 906 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 1: an appointment if I'm working on that. Ye're human, you know, 907 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: But I also don't like people to be late when 908 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: it when it's for me. So that's the hypocrisy of 909 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: my life. Everybody, but you know what, we all have 910 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: it well. Juli, thank you so much for taking the 911 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 1: time out of your day to call my podcast, this 912 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: conversation and truly just made my week. I'm so excited 913 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 1: to watch The Wonder Years season two and see what 914 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: else is to come, and that hopefully to see you 915 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,399 Speaker 1: play the saxophone live on as it's coming the time. 916 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: Right now, We've had a great conversation and I look 917 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,279 Speaker 1: forward to slicing his pineapple up for the road.