1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome back to 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: the show. My name is Nol. It always takes me 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: a second to start these what our compatriot Matt has gone, 7 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: because he usually starts at that is on adventures and 8 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: will return. They call me Ben. We're joined as always 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: with our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,959 Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are you. You are here and that 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. No, 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: this has been uh peep in the garden. This has 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: been a pretty wild Monday on my end. How about you, 14 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: my friend? Yeah? We who is the Johnny Carson that 15 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: said weird wild stuff? It's like this catch for Yeah, 16 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: today has been full of weird wild stuff. Have you 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: seen the new season? If I think you should leave 18 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: with Tim Robinson, Yes, we've talked about it. There's an 19 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: episode where or there's a sketch where they've got like 20 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: a Johnny Carson impersonator who is allowed to hit because 21 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: especial got special rates, so he is allowed to at 22 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: that price point. Yeah, I can't say enough good about 23 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: that series, especially nowadays when we realize that more and 24 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: more people need some levity desperately. So, I mean, we're 25 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:38,919 Speaker 1: looking at things that frankly sound apocalyptic. We're looking at disappointing, uh, 26 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: disappointing ongoing information about COVID. We're looking at, you know, 27 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: as we mentioned before in a previous segment, natural disasters 28 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: all the world around. And one thing that got lost 29 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: in the shuffle that I think is of interest to you, 30 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: and you and me both is you would not Q 31 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: and on was such a huge deal. As we record today, 32 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: it is August second, which is very close to one 33 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: of the dates that hardcore Q and On believers claimed 34 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: would be the date that the former president announced that 35 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: he was still the president or something like that, and 36 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: that belief has lost some steam as time went on. 37 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people forget Q and 38 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: on is still very much of force in the Internet 39 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: and in the US today in one way or another. 40 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: I mean, would you say that a lot of people 41 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: sort of forgot about this? Is it drifted out of 42 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: the news. I mean, I think the people that sort 43 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: of dismissed it in the first place, forgot about it. Um. 44 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: But the people that we're really into it and that 45 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: found in it sort of a way to I think, 46 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: justify some let's just call them maybe more outlandish viewpoints, 47 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: haven't forgotten about it at all. I think many of 48 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: us likely know someone or know someone who knows someone 49 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: who has had their life irreversibly changed by this whole 50 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: you know, conspiracy movement. I guess right. UM. I have 51 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: mentioned on the show before, I have a really good 52 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: friend whose brother went so far down the Q and 53 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: on rabbit hole that he's just absolutely estranged from his 54 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: entire family, um to the point where they can't talk anymore, 55 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, because he is such a hard liner about 56 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: it that it's just like you can't there's no common ground, 57 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: there's no way to, you know, successfully have a you know, 58 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: a rational conversation with this person. And and look again, 59 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: you know, we always say we're not here to to 60 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: judge anybody, um or or make anybody feel bad or 61 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: stupid for believing what they believe. But I think it's 62 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: pretty safe to say that most rational people would look 63 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: at this whole Q and on thing and the degree 64 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: to which it has caused people to push people away 65 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:56,839 Speaker 1: who are close to them for no good reason. Is toxic? Yeah, yeah, 66 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: you know this is This is an interesting phenom comen 67 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: on because the proliferation of these sorts of beliefs I 68 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: think are illustrative of an issue that occurs in in 69 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: the human brain, because the human brain is hardwired to 70 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: practice pattern recognition to an extreme degree such that it 71 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 1: becomes pattern creation. And then the the tricky part about 72 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: that is as these beliefs build upon each other, uh, 73 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: we also see a sunk cost fallacy. Your brain doesn't 74 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: want to be wrong ever, and that's what leads to 75 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: confirmation bias. That's something we covered in a previous episode 76 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: why you can't win arguments on the line. And the 77 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: scary thing is this neurobiological cognitive phenomena occurs in every 78 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: single aspect of human civilization. It's not just conspiracies, it's 79 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: not just politics. It's the same reason that people who 80 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: really love a particular sports team will go nuts if 81 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: they don't agree with the ref's ruling. And when and 82 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,799 Speaker 1: when we look at it from that perspective, I would 83 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: argue that we see, um, we see a solid basis 84 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: a solid explanation for why certain beliefs persists even when 85 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: they can be debunked relatively easily. And this is not 86 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: to throw the baby out with the bathwater here figuratively, 87 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: or throw the badger out with the bathwater if we 88 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: want to stay on brand. Instead, it's it's to say 89 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: that the ideas of Q and on, like the ideas 90 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: of a lot of apocalyptic cults, they took a huge 91 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: hit when they missed the deadlines they predicted or purported 92 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: to predict. Sure, I mean I think, I think again. 93 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: You know, most people would use that as a sign that, 94 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: oh maybe they we kind of missed the mark. But 95 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: oftentimes this is just an excuse for people who are 96 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: whether indoctrinated or whether they have some kind of agenda 97 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: or what have you, to really just dig in deeper 98 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: and say, no, we miss the mark because X, because 99 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: why because Z? Because of outside forces that have that 100 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: are oppressing us, you know what I mean, like things 101 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: like that. I really do feel like that's usually it's 102 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: not like all of a sudden you can talk to 103 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: someone who has fully invested in a particular belief system 104 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: or occult or whatever and say, oh, well, we'll see 105 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: you didn't get it right. I thought it was supposed 106 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: to happen yesterday. Well reasons, you know what I mean, 107 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: witnessed by mental part four. Yeah, because people are rarely unintelligent, 108 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: but people are often misinformed, and the human brain is 109 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: tremendously talented at rationalizing things right, rationalizing beliefs, and rationalizing 110 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: why prediction didn't work. This this leads us to another 111 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: thing that's related, which is the idea of crisis actors. 112 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: We had We had talked about this a number of 113 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: months ago, maybe last year. Pandemic makes it tough to remembers, 114 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure as the case for some of our conspiracy 115 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: realists listening in today. But Noel, as you and I 116 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: and Matt had discussed previously, there there were a number 117 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: of particularly mass shootings that caught on with certain spheres 118 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: of the conspiracy world, and soon enough, despite all the evidence, 119 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: there were people trying to argue that these events were 120 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: either a greatly exaggerated or be never actually happened. And 121 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: this was tremendously offensive to the you know, the survivors 122 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: of the people who die in these horrific acts. But 123 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: it might surprise some people to know that belief in 124 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: crisis actors for mass shootings is still very very much 125 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: a thing, right. It is again like the whole Q 126 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: and on web is just that it's so complex and 127 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: wrapped up. It's it's basically like every bonkers conspiracy theory 128 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: that ever existed, kind of wrapped up in this giant, 129 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: sticky ball of goo that people you know, pick and choose. 130 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: They might like parts of it, but if you are 131 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: truly an adherent to Q and to all of what 132 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: it represents, it probably means that you're dipping your toes 133 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: in all kinds of conspiracy theories, and the crisis actors 134 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: being one of them. In particular, the story that that 135 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: that we found, or one of the stories that we 136 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: found for today UM is about the absolutely tragic fallout 137 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: I think of of this type of belief. UM. Vice 138 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: News came out with an article on July UM about 139 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: a Parkland shooting survivor whose father, uh went did just 140 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: what we describe, went down that Q and on rabbit 141 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: hole and has been made to believe that the whole 142 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: thing was a hoax. Yeah, that his son, in fact 143 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: is one of those crisis actors and is in some 144 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: way a tool of some sort of left wing communist 145 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: agenda to take away are guns because oftentimes been correct 146 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. The whole idea of staging these 147 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: types of events is to create, you know, allegedly create 148 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: an outcry that could take away certain civil liberties. Right, yeah, yeah, 149 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: you nailed it there, man, because that is one of 150 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: the primary motivations for any true conspiracy theory. There needs 151 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: to be a qui bono you know, who benefits, and 152 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: so the argument there for a lot of people who 153 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: believe that a given a given tragedy is of is 154 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: a fake event filled with crisis actors. Their their idea 155 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: is that nebulous, nefarious forces in government are attempting to 156 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: remove civil liberties like the Second Amendment right to gun 157 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: ownership that's almost always a big win, or that they 158 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: are cracking down on other rights like rights to privacy 159 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: or um, you know, trying to use this as a 160 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: rationalization for more closely tracing people online. I would say 161 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: that one doesn't hold up as much and you don't 162 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: see it as often because you know, everybody who's worried 163 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: about surveillance, Uh, most of them have a smartphone, which 164 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: is you know, your friendly Polly pocket version of the 165 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: n s A spying on you. Yeah, I posted on 166 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: me and the other day or something like that. It's 167 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: just like, who cares if there's microchips or tracking devices 168 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: in the vaccines. You're literally holding a tracking device in 169 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: your hand right now as you read this post. And 170 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: you know, we all willfully carry these things around, except 171 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: for you know, people that are living off the grid 172 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: or it's just on using burner phones or you know, 173 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: don't even want to have But you know, we were 174 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: living in a society where it becomes more and more 175 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: prohibitive to normal day to day existence to not opt 176 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: in to that kind of stuff. But uh, we're not 177 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: talking about that. We are just talking about the ability 178 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: to fact check information right like readily. Um. And and 179 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: the fake news thing works both directions, because you know, 180 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: there can be fake news that has an agenda on 181 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: either the left or the right side, or in any 182 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: particular motivation to get people to believe certain things. And 183 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: um this is a really great example of that where 184 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: Q and on, within that giant web that is Q 185 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: and on, is this belief that's proliferated by you know, 186 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: lawmakers like Marjorie Taylor Green UM, who is a Georgia 187 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: lawmaker who has gotten into some hot water for pretty 188 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: outwardly denying that the shooting at weirdly enough, Marjorie Stoneman 189 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida didn't really happen. That 190 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: it was all staffed by these crisis actors that were 191 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: there to enact some kind of agenda in order to 192 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: who knows what nefarious purposes they had in mind, but 193 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: they'll say things like it's to take away our guns 194 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: or to take away our freedom and so, story and vice. 195 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: The kid in question, who you know, survived this horrific event. 196 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: He goes by the name Bill. Um. This all started 197 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: on a Reddit thread there there is a lot of 198 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: like it's become almost a support group, right for folks 199 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: who are kind of survivors of Q and on, like 200 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: not school shootings, but literally Q and on, Like people 201 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: whose parents or loved ones like my friend, have gone 202 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: so far down this Q rabbit hole that they're unrecognizable. 203 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: They've been completely transformed into something else entirely. And this person, 204 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: Bill wrote a post on this Reddit page. Um, and 205 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna read you just a few little excerpts from it. 206 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: Uh and and before I read it. My point is 207 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: this Vice took the story and ran with it after 208 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: vetting the source. Because because you can be pretty anonymous 209 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: on you know, on on Reddit, a lot of these 210 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: things might not be true. There's a lot of stories 211 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: on there that could just be as Uh. These dudes 212 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: I love that I always referenced on Internet today cited 213 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: creative writing compe. But Vice did vet this particular one, 214 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: and uh they they did determine this person's story to 215 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: be true. Here's an exert from from the original post 216 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: on the q and on Casualties board on Reddit. I 217 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: survived the Stoneman Douglas school shooting, and my dad is 218 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: suddenly convinced I'm a liar and part of a false 219 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: flag operation another name for you know this thing staff 220 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: by crisis actors. And he starts it off like this, 221 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: Uh sorry, this is long, but I gotta get it 222 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: off my chest. I think my dad has gone insane. 223 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: It's going way too far, and I have trouble processing 224 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: the last five months. He's always been very conservative, but 225 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: now Q and on has consumed his life to the 226 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: point where it's tearing our family apart, along with my 227 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: own mental health. Back in January, he saw the video 228 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: of Marjorie Taylor Green harassing David Hogg, another student from 229 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: UH Parkland, about the shooting being a false flag operation. 230 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: And while my dad was already into que, he'd never 231 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: gone down that particular rabbit hole, and now he's convinced 232 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: everything was a hoax, and it breaks my heart. He's 233 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: done quote extensive research on body language and claims he 234 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: can tell the shooter is a radical commy actor who 235 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: was paid to sacrifice his life in order to remove 236 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: our guns. He's questioning why they released the interrogation footage 237 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: if not to further deceive the quote sheep believing everything 238 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: they see end quote uh. He also says the trial 239 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: will be rigged, and the reason they're talking about the 240 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: death penalty is to prevent him from ever talking, just 241 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: in case. And so what what to make of this? 242 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: You know, you know what, I think, let's pause for 243 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor and let's come back and 244 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: dive in because that's really disturbing stuff. Agreed, Okay, we're back, 245 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: ben Um. Before the break, I read an exert from 246 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: this young man's post on Reddit, on the Q and 247 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: on Survivors page UH, and it ended with essentially just 248 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: him saying how his father has just be picked up 249 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: this whole you know, um crisis actor, false flag narrative 250 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: from Marjorie Taylor Green. Um. Uh, and it's it's absolutely 251 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: transformed him into a person that his son doesn't even recognize. Mean, 252 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: what can you make of this? Well, I think one 253 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: of the first things you want to point out is, uh, 254 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: some of us listening to a willing a home may 255 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: be wondering, Hey, why aren't the guys mentioning specific names here? 256 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: This is all anonymous for for the sake of this kid, right, 257 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: who already had a lot going on, and just being 258 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: in high school is stressful enough, right, So we're we're 259 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: intentionally following the lead of reporting and you know, obviously 260 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: not toxing buddy. But what we can make of this 261 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: is we can say a few things and they're all 262 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: they're all running the gamut between heartbreaking and tragic. You know, 263 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: imagine everybody growing up has probably been in some situation 264 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: where your parents did not take your side of the story. 265 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: For most human beings, it's something like they wouldn't agree 266 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: that it was cool for me to go on this 267 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: trip with my friends, right, or to stay out late, 268 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: or something innocuous like that. But in this case, the 269 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: kid survived and attempt on his life, and his father 270 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: is throwing that out the proverbial window. At this point, 271 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: it's tough to estimate the psychological damage that's been done 272 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: to the kid. You know, it's tough to put yourself 273 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: in that situation, But we can only imagine the enormous 274 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: damage to the trust in their relationship. Because if you're 275 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: parents will not believe you in a life or death situation, 276 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: then what else will they disbelieve? He also said that 277 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: he needed more support from his mother. I think he 278 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: goes on to say that and he uh, it feels 279 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: like he will not be able to speak to his 280 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: father again. I mean, this may be a deathbed situation. 281 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: And all the problem with these things is that people again, 282 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: neurocognitively speaking, or you know, the neuroscience of it shows 283 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: us that it's very difficult for people to have a 284 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: change of heart when they've doubled down on beliefs this way. 285 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: And I've said on record before this is only my 286 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: opinion that foreign powers waging information war, waging a symmetrical war, 287 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: have brilliantly manipulated members of the American public with this. 288 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: Those posts on Facebook that you see getting shared around, 289 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: they may not be coming from the US, and they 290 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: almost certainly aren't coming from people who actually believe this 291 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: this lie thinking No, no, it's true. It's easy target. 292 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: So many people out there are lost, feeling and you know, 293 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: feeling like they've been left behind or feeling like they've 294 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: been ignored or excluded in some way from like the 295 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: America that no longer represents their values or what have you, right, 296 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: And so it's easy for people to want to disseminate 297 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: information that confirms their own beliefs or makes them feel heard, 298 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, even if it's absolute bullshit. UM. And that's 299 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: why I think Q took off so much. Again. Check 300 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: out Jake Hanrahan's incredible I Heart podcast Q Clearance UM 301 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: that really goes into all of this stuff and the minutia, 302 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: and we had him on the show. That's also check 303 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: out that interview we did with Jake. We talked about 304 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: how Q and on is essentially like a decentralized cyber cult, 305 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: where like this leader quote unquote may or may not 306 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: actually exist. I mean, he's really to me more of 307 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: a construct. You know, he represents something, but I don't 308 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: think they're I don't know. To me, it like doesn't 309 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: matter who que is per se. I think it's more 310 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: of like a symbol, a symbol of people, people's kind 311 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: of malaise, and people is just sort of disaffectedness and 312 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: their need to have these beliefs in some way, UM 313 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: backed up and and and propped up. And I feel 314 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: like that's exactly what's happening with this kid and his dad, 315 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: or with his kid's dad. This is the part that 316 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: broke my heart the most. This is an edit he did. 317 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: Uh well. He goes on to say, like I can't 318 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: go on living like this. You know, I've asked my 319 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: mom to give him an ultimatum to you know, have 320 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: him see professional help, cut off his access to the internet. Um, 321 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: because there's another great example of Internet as an addiction, 322 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: Internet as an obsession, you know, by this edit here, 323 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: even though I've definitely felt like it, I don't think 324 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: getting physical would do any good at all. I instead 325 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: try to remind him to look back at the texts 326 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: I sent when I was one hundred percent sure the 327 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: shooter was about to enter our classroom. I mean, think 328 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: about that for a second, Like you to present your 329 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: father with a wreck kord of your son in absolute horror, 330 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: you know, thinking his life was coming to an end, 331 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: to present him with that have him still doubled down 332 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: and say, I mean he he's apparently he's literally accused 333 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: his son, according to to these posts, of taking money 334 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: and of being part of this elaborate cover up. That's 335 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: elaborate hoax his son. Um, if you can't get through 336 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: to someone like that, you know who's your father, and 337 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: it seems like they're just too far gone. But it's 338 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: he says that I asked him to look me in 339 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: the eyes and still argue I'm able to fake what 340 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: I wrote in those messages, but no luck s heartbreaking. 341 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: But but it's something that we see all the time. 342 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: And again, I don't think this is a political issue 343 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: at all. I really really don't. This is much more of, 344 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: like you said, Ben, a psychological warfare issue. You know, 345 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: this is weaponization of psychology and weaponization of of of manipulation, 346 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: of turning people against one another, you know, of of 347 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: dividing uh and that's can be the greatest weapon of all, 348 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, I really don't think this is like a 349 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: left right thing or any kind of like political grandstanding thing, 350 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: because I mean a lot of these things aren't necessarily 351 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could argue, yeah, I mean, 352 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: sure the idea of gun control is certainly politicized, but 353 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: the level to which it's been just blown out of 354 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: proportion and blown up as if this was even a 355 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: reasonable way of getting that kind of thing done. I 356 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: just don't understand how anyone could truly truly believe that, 357 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, Benan, what what do you 358 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: what do you think? Is this a political thing? Is 359 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: it deeper than that? Is it more insidious than that? Like? 360 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: What what is the agenda here? And? Uh? Is it 361 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: just like these are just casualties? This is like collateral 362 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: damage people that have taken it way too far because 363 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: it almost when it started, it almost seemed like a joke, 364 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: like a satire or something, and then then people just 365 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: really ran with it. Yeah. Uh, fortune is not the 366 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: most reliable news source, turns out. What I what I 367 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: would say is if you look at the structure of 368 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: these these sorts of schools of thoughts or conspiracy, what 369 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: you see is something very similar to the structure of 370 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: a a methos of a CULTI organization see U L 371 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: T I C. What I mean by that is that 372 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: in this sense, the goal post are always moving. So 373 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: a specific date, uh in, a prediction on a specific 374 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: date not coming to pass simply means that there is 375 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 1: a new explanation on the way, and as long as 376 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: those goal posts move, then the game can continue. When 377 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: for folks, some folks it is mental stimulation, it is 378 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: a game, But at what point does At what point 379 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: does a game or maybe even an addiction, because a 380 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: lot of these things can be addictive to think about, 381 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: at what point does it become dangerous? I would argue 382 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: it becomes dangerous when it interferes with your life and 383 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: your relationships with the people are important to you. That's true. 384 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: I mean, it's the same of measure, or of whether 385 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: say a drug addiction has gotten serious enough or a 386 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: gambling addiction has gotten serious enough, is when you can 387 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: no longer function as a person in the world, whether 388 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: that's you know, your interpersonal day to day relationships or 389 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: your job or whatever. Uh. You know, we're hearing about 390 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: people literally just abandoning their entire families and their entire lives, 391 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: their jobs in favor of of all this Q stuff. 392 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: I just don't get it, but I guess I'm not 393 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: the target for it. But maybe it is filling a 394 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: hole in some people that we didn't even know was there, 395 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: you know. Um So, I honestly think it's going to 396 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: be something that will be studied and we'll be looked 397 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: at and puzzled over and written about for years to come, 398 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: because I can't think of anything quite on this level 399 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: that's really like converted people on mass in this way, 400 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: it's it's almost like a mass hysteria kind of vibe. 401 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think maybe we should move on. This 402 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: one is a real down or I feel for this kid, 403 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: and I feel for this family, And who do you 404 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: even turn to? Ben in a situation like this? Are 405 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: there folks you can call to get help for your 406 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: family member? There for other Obviously, these types of message 407 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: boards are good support systems where you can lean on 408 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: other people that have gone through similar stuff. But you know, 409 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: if you have a family member who's got a serious 410 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: drug or alcohol addiction or a gambling addiction, there programs 411 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: you can send them to. Where do you send someone 412 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: like this to be d programmed from something like you? 413 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: It's a good question. It's one that doesn't have an 414 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: easy answer. Luckily, there are experts that you can contact 415 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: and stay tuned. We're going to give you their numbers 416 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: at the end. Uh. Please do remember that your loved 417 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: ones are still your loved ones even if you all disagree, 418 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: and those relationships can be worth saving. If that is, 419 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: people are still around to save one another. Because we 420 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: have the next piece of strange news today, which should 421 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: well i'll say it, uh, doc bleep me here, it 422 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: should scare the ever loving out of everyone. It doesn't 423 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: matter what you believe in. What are we talking about. Well, 424 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about climate change, but not in the way 425 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: you've heard it, not in the way that has been politicized. 426 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: As we say so often on this show, the politicization 427 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: of stuff can stymy progress, you know what I mean. 428 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: It gets you in a situation where everybody agrees there's 429 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: a problem, but no one agrees how to fix it. 430 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: Har Umph, har umph, her rumph. Uh. And climate change 431 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: is one of those one of those things because corporations 432 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: spent a great deal of money and political capital convincing 433 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: people that climate change uh or the age of the 434 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: anthroposy was in fact fake news. Problem is that was 435 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: a lie, and it was a short term lie. It 436 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: was a hustle for some profits with long term consequences. 437 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: Now the bill is coming, do you oh, there was this, 438 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: There was a sci fi show. There was a sci 439 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: fi film years ago called Outbreak. You remember Outbreak? Yeah, 440 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: with the monkey it was the monkey's fault. Yes, yes, 441 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: that's very much. Outbreak came out in nineteen five, and 442 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: it's what the genre would be described as, like a 443 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: a medical disaster slash thriller. In this there was a 444 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: quite a dangerous disease that became zooonotic, meaning it could 445 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: be transmitted from animals or other primates to human animals 446 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: or you know, human beings. And this may seem prescient 447 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: in the age of superbugs and pandemics because we're you know, 448 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: COVID is not going to be the last one. It's 449 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: maybe just the first of a new chapter. But something 450 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: else is happening. You may have heard that just recently 451 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: enough ice melted on a single day in Green And 452 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: to cover the entirety of Florida, the whole peninsula plus 453 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: the Pandhandle in two inches of water. Did you hear 454 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: about that? That's a lot of water. It's a lot 455 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: of water. I mean look, I just feel like the 456 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: weather we've been getting here in Atlanta over the past 457 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: few months, it just feels like monsoon weather, you know. 458 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I just feel like it was. Observationally, you 459 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: can see the stuff and it's it's it's definitely scary. 460 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, because for for a long time, 461 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: for about a decade or so, I have been I 462 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: have been thinking, I'm not a meteorologist, uh no expert 463 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: in long term weather effects, but I have been thinking 464 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: very much the same thing, that we may be looking 465 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: at a slow transformation to uh a monsoon area of 466 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: the world or monsoon w plain kind of prone area. 467 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: But as the glaciers melt, we can expect a lot 468 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: of changes in the world, changes that will ultimately affect 469 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: human beings. This is not a reference to the parts 470 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: of the world that will be palm virtually unlivable within 471 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: your lifetime. If you're hearing this show. This is instead 472 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: of reference to things like trade passages opening up in 473 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: the North Pole, this is a reference to things like 474 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: freshwater sources being depleted as those glaciers melt. This is 475 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: also a reference to disease, because you see once upon 476 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: a time fifteen thousand years ago, water froze on top 477 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: of the this plateau and Tibet, and this water became 478 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: part of a glacier. When this water froze, it wasn't sterile, 479 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: very few things are. Instead, millions and millions of organisms 480 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: were trapped inside of this glacier. Fast forward, these scientists 481 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: from the US and China team up. They drilled down 482 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: into the glacier and they say, oh, you know, let's 483 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: see what we can find. Let's see us let's see 484 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: what's popping, you know, under the ice and uh. These 485 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: studies continued, and just a few days ago some findings 486 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: from a related study were published in a journal called microbio. 487 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: They found thirty three viruses that are on the way, 488 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: viruses that had never been discovered before. The majority of them. 489 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: What are we talking about. We'll tell you after a 490 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we have returned. Specifically, this 491 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: new study was written primarily by a microbiologist named Shipping 492 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: Chong from Ohio State University, and they identified tons and 493 00:29:54,520 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: tons of unique fifteen thousand year old viruses from this 494 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: ice cap in Tibet, the Goula ice cap. And the 495 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: crazy thing is this sounds like dystopian sci fi Noel. 496 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: The researchers discovered that twenty eight of the thirty three 497 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: viruses they've identified have never been seen before. We don't 498 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: know what they're gonna do. We don't know what they 499 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: did when they were not on ice, and we don't 500 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: know what's going to happen to human beings because of it. 501 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: I got to go poking around and ice looking for 502 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: ancient plagues. Can't wait to leave well enough alone. It 503 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: sounds like some X files. Yeah, I mean seriously, like 504 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: you dig out the ice core, it's got the weird 505 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: nano disease worms and the next thing you know, everyone's 506 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: bleeding out of their eyes. Yeah exactly. And this is 507 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: one of those headlines you know that grabs you, Uh, 508 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,239 Speaker 1: let's be honest, this is one of those headlines a 509 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: lot of people might read while they're uh scrolling on 510 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: their mobile device there in the middle of doing something else, 511 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: and it's just enough to kind of grab your mind 512 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: by the shoulders, give you a sharp shake and make 513 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: you think, oh my god, it's the year of what 514 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: now and more like the year of what the bleep? Yeah, 515 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: yeah exactly. So what we're seeing now is um we're 516 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of fear because when people hear the 517 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: word virus right now. In times before people used to 518 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: before COVID, most people when they heard the word virus 519 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: would think of something like um, like the herpies, simplex 520 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: or uh HIV or the flu right. But now when 521 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: you hear the v word, you probably think of COVID 522 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: first and foremost. And so when people hear that there 523 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: are these elder God viruses fifteen thousand years old just 524 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: now waking up, of course your first question is gonna 525 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: be what does this mean to humanity? Well, it's weird 526 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: because they're still they're still working on this, but they 527 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: believe that these viruses, a lot of them are extreme aphiles. 528 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: They thrive in extreme environments. They also may some of 529 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: them may have originated from soil and plants, and they 530 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: helped facilitate nutrient acquisition for those plants. So there's not 531 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: no one is saying, to be clear, that there is 532 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: this huge danger sci Fi apocalypse level posed to humans 533 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: from these viruses, but they're definitely on the way. And 534 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: there are two very big scary things about this. Because Noel, 535 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: as as you and I and Doc and everybody listening 536 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: knows that's not the only glacier and that's not the 537 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: only glacier that's melting. No, no, it's not one number. 538 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: In this article on CTV news dot c A that 539 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: that you found UM mentioned the fact that of those 540 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: thirty three different viruses that were found, twenty eight of 541 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: them have never been previously detected, which sounds like a lot, 542 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: but apparently by some estimates, the number of viruses that 543 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: we are aware of UM is a number that I 544 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: cannot even wrap my brain around. It is ten no nillion, 545 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: which is a one, followed by thirty one zeros. Uh. 546 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: All of these whatever poor SAP's job this was, have 547 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: been cataloged, UM. You know, and obviously not all of 548 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: these are are are deadly or like plague like, but 549 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: still no nillion. I've never even heard no nillion before? 550 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: Have you been? Yeah? But I I am gonna be 551 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: honest with everybody. When I first heard the phrase no nillion, 552 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: I thought I thought it was a made up number 553 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: that the person I was I was talking with was 554 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: just styling on. I mistook it for saying, like a 555 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: Gabbagoulian or something, thank you, thank you for throwing me 556 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,239 Speaker 1: that sopranos. Bump. It felt it felt like exuciate, you know, 557 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: but it is. It is a real number. And as 558 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 1: you said, the other five have been on the books. 559 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: But the good news for those is that the five 560 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: that we're already known to science are thought to be 561 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: much more likely to infect bacteria instead of humans and animals. 562 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: We have to remember, viruses are very very very very 563 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: small there in terms of what we define as a live. 564 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: Viruses are like a hot point. There are a point 565 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: of contention. Is a virus alive or is it almost 566 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 1: just an organic program? Yeah, it's like you know, there's 567 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: a study uh in data science of complex systems, and 568 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: that often is modeled after the way virus is spread, 569 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: and then you can actually apply that to the way 570 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: information is spread over time. Very very interesting stuff, a 571 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 1: little bit over my head. But my good dear friend 572 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: in front of the show, Frank took an online one 573 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: of those multi you know, massively multiplayer online courses of 574 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: not the term for it. Um, there is a term 575 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: for it. I think it's called AMUK. Yeah, yeassively online 576 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: online of course. Um. Anyhow, uh so, yeah, ben Um, 577 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: several of these viruses they discover the new ones anyway, Um, 578 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't have attacked humans anyway. Um you mentioned ones that 579 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: would attack maybe bacteria and such. There are also some 580 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: that would attack plants and particularly soil. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 581 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: But the point remains, the Tibetan Plateau is not the 582 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: only home to a glisier. Remember we opened up this 583 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: this story by talking about the melting of Greenland and 584 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: it's ice sheet. What we're going to see is more 585 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: and more stuff being discovered beneath the ice, things that 586 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 1: were previously inaccessible, uh to humans from what we know 587 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: of human history, which is an important caveat. If you 588 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: would like to learn more about that aspect, please out 589 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: our YouTube video from a number of years ago about 590 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: things hidden beneath the ice in Antarctica. Those hidden things 591 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: will be revealed and we're going to learn more and 592 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: more about the ancient world. We may also this is 593 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: this is plausible. Unfortunately, we may encounter some threats that 594 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: have been slumbering in the dark and the cold for 595 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: quite a long time, which I know sounds a little 596 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: love crafty, and but that's where we're at. And that's 597 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: not even the biggest threat yet. There's one more big threat. Oh, 598 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: for sure, And I also just want to backtrack every 599 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: slated to mention this. Obviously it goes without saying, but 600 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it. Uh, These um fifteen thousand year 601 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: old viruses were able to survive in sub zerio freezing 602 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: temperatures for that long, which is another thing that makes 603 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: them kind of scary and super resilient. And why it's 604 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: going to be. It reminds me of that scene in 605 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: The Sword in the Stone how spoiler alert for a 606 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: movie from the sixties, how Merlin ultimately defeats the Witch 607 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: when she turns into a giant fire breathing dragon as 608 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: he turns into a virus and gets her sick, and 609 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 1: that's how he wins the day. So, I mean, compared 610 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: to like all the war machines we can throw at 611 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: each other, viruses are probably gonna be the thing that 612 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: I kinda wipe us out as a species if we're 613 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: not careful. Well, they have a lot less to distract them, 614 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Virus is built for one 615 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: purpose and one purpose only. It doesn't have a lot 616 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: of b plot lines. It doesn't, you know. A virus 617 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: is never like taking vacation or going to work on 618 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: its novel. This is a strange thing to realize about them, 619 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 1: but it's a very important thing. It's also funny that 620 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: you mentioned Sword in the Stone. Uh. I believe we 621 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 1: may have talked about on air a little while ago, 622 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: but I rewatched it recently. Holds up. It's actually how 623 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: I learned about Tahiti. I thought it was Bermuda is 624 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,919 Speaker 1: a Bermuda, Ah, you know what. I believe you may 625 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 1: be correct. It was indeed Bermuda. She actually says, blow 626 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 1: me to Bermuda. So and then you've got the merlin 627 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: you're back from Bermuda Bermuda. Well, I guess that still 628 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,959 Speaker 1: led me to learning about Tahiti. As was a geography nerd, 629 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: just not as much of a Disney nerd. I like 630 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: that movie because it's just kind of an anthology, right, 631 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: Like it's all these little vignettes of like, you know, 632 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: misadventures and stuff that Arthur gets into. And it doesn't 633 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: really have a villain exactly. It's kind of just all 634 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 1: these weird little stories where he's a fish and he's 635 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: a squirrel. I always under the part where he breaks 636 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: the girl squirrel's heart and then he turns back into 637 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 1: a boy and she's just like crying. It really kind 638 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 1: of makes me a little a clempt. So I want 639 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: to get to the second thing. I've been trying to 640 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: get to this for a second. This is the bigger 641 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 1: threat right now. This is what will make you pro 642 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 1: climpt if you are, if you planned to be a 643 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,879 Speaker 1: lot for the next few years. There's something else under 644 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 1: the ice that people need to worry about. It's not 645 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 1: as buzzfeedy as a bunch of ancient viruses that may 646 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: or may not be coming for you. Probably not, but 647 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 1: may or may not be coming for you. Instead, there's 648 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: a lot of methane and carbon that has been preserved 649 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: in this ice as it melted over thousands and thousands 650 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: and thousands of years. And like the viruses, this stuff 651 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: didn't really go away. It was just if you think 652 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: of glaciers as uh a big closet or a big 653 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: storage unit, then these massive reserves of sequestered methane and 654 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:48,919 Speaker 1: carbon are the skeletons in that closet. And what we're 655 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 1: going to see, quite possibly is that this stuff is 656 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: it like still flammable. Yeah, yeah, it can be, because 657 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: right now it exists often as a a solid in 658 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 1: a stable state. It's called methane hydrates, and it exists 659 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: in in a very delicate balance. It needs a specific 660 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: range of pressures and temperatures, and then if that balance 661 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: gets tipped, it gets released. It makes its way into 662 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: the atmosphere, and in its gaseous form, the methane particularly 663 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases. It will 664 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: warm the earth thirty times more efficiently than carbon dioxide. 665 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,879 Speaker 1: So for anybody's worried about climate change or rising temperatures 666 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: in particular, and you should be the closer you live 667 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: to the equator. This is like the ancient viruses are 668 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,320 Speaker 1: getting the news and getting the clicks and the attention. 669 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: But what's more dangerous immediately is that glacial faucet that's 670 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 1: slowly turning on the gas, and that gas is getting out, 671 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,919 Speaker 1: and they're gonna be a lot of attempts to figure 672 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 1: out how to address it in one way or another, 673 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: but because of the way these things are melting, it's 674 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: going to be very hard to stem the tide, which 675 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: means that imagine you were going. Imagine you're speeding down 676 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:22,399 Speaker 1: an interstate and speed limit is seventy and going and 677 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: the speed limit or the speed in this case is 678 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: the amount of pollution that's happening. You're going eight five 679 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: and they're like, Okay, I'm gonna slow down a little bit, 680 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: and you try to pump the brakes, but instead you 681 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: actually hit the accelerator. Next thing you know, you're going 682 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,439 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifteen, hundred and thirty. That's what can 683 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: happen with this. And I cannot emphasize this enough. We're 684 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 1: not talking in vague terms of geologic time. This is 685 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,399 Speaker 1: not a oh, in the next three thousand years thing. 686 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: It's happening now, and it is enormously important to be 687 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: per pair. Why do you think so many well to 688 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: do people are relocating to New Zealand and using every 689 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,879 Speaker 1: loophole they can to get there. Why do you think 690 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: people are moving to the Great Lakes. Why do you 691 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:18,399 Speaker 1: think people are finding places away from the Equator with 692 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: potable water. There are people who are very conscious of this. 693 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 1: They pay for these studies, and they may not be 694 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: telling the public right, they may not be telling their shareholders, 695 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: but you can be sure that they are doing it. 696 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,359 Speaker 1: And with that, we have to end our story at 697 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 1: this point, because that's where the story wraps up. Love 698 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 1: to hear some updates on this, and I would love 699 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: to hear in your opinion, what the ideal physical location 700 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: will be for long term sustainability in a changing world. 701 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: Like you said earlier, Old this is something that has 702 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,360 Speaker 1: been politicized to the detriment of the human species. There's 703 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 1: really no need for it to be so it just 704 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: equated to short term profit for corporations to lie to 705 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: the public, the global public. 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