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Speaker 1: now your hosts Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans,

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Speaker 1: and David Hellman. Hello and welcome to another edition of

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Speaker 1: the Draft Show. It's Thursday, February seventeenth. Thanks for joining

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Speaker 1: us once again. I really I feel like we've been

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Speaker 1: doing this since December. That was last year. Though. Hey everyone,

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Speaker 1: I'm David Hellman. I'm joined as usual by my guys,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh, Brian brought us Kyle Yeoman's Brian, who's the

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Speaker 1: last prosper back to you watched before today's show. The

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Speaker 1: last prospect that I watched, I watched Jeff sky sky Moore. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's boring. We talked about him the other day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, I think Jeff has got a

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Speaker 1: I think he's a slot only though, I really do.

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Speaker 1: I will be really interesting I'll be really interested to

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Speaker 1: see if he's not as tall as Cooper Cup. He's

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Speaker 1: he could play on the outside. I'll be interested if

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Speaker 1: he can. I'll be happy to admit it. I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: but got argument number two here. But he's Alan Petrie

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Speaker 1: and now we've got sky by More back at home. No. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: guy's a really good football player. You watch him play,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he makes really nice plays. He catches the

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Speaker 1: a lot to him run after catch is good, you know. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but I don't have him as high as

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Speaker 1: watch him play, you could see NFL traits. In the

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Speaker 1: NFL traits are when you throw the ball to somebody

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Speaker 1: in the second round not for me. Where do you

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Speaker 1: where I having myself crazy crazy discrepancy. Yeah, at the

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Speaker 1: risk of this becoming the sky Moore Show. Kyle, who

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Speaker 1: was the last guy watched? I watched Fair Mumford Muntford

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Speaker 1: when Jared Goff was their guy and then they traded

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Speaker 1: for Stafford like a week later. I'm got no, absolutely not,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not. But is there a quarterback here? No, it's better.

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Speaker 1: It's a nice it's a nice year to have your

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Speaker 1: hated rival have two picks in the top ten. Well

425
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Speaker 1: they might be in a situation though, too, depending on

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Speaker 1: what Brian Dieball wants to do. I mean, if there's

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Speaker 1: a quarterback that fits what he did with Alan in Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: that kind of a quarterback, you know, if you evaluate

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Speaker 1: that of the pick, Yeah, looking for a big armed

430
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Speaker 1: athlete exactly what I was there, you go. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm saying. Though it might be like, Listen,

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Speaker 1: I didn't draft Daniel Jones. I I you know, I'll

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Speaker 1: work with Daniel Jones, but if you give me an

434
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Speaker 1: opportunity to get a guy that fits in what I'm

435
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Speaker 1: trying to do offensively, I think I'm taking the five

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Speaker 1: of the seven and making that pick. Shoot, you talk

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Speaker 1: not something anybody anticipated. So something to consider a lot

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the Draft Show. It is the second segment. You guys

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Speaker 1: know what that means. Beam hit it Twitter on the

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Speaker 1: twitters where we try to get to as many of

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Speaker 1: your questions as possible. We'll start it off with Jared,

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Speaker 1: I like this question a lot. Position of need that

483
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Speaker 1: makes absolutely no sense to you for the Cowboys. You

484
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Speaker 1: would hate it or it wouldn't make any sense to

485
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Speaker 1: you at all. Cornerback, Yeah, all right, that's the first one.

486
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Speaker 1: I thought. He said position of need. That was a question.

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Speaker 1: You're saying, Dak Prescott's not the guy. Uh No, Jeff

488
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Speaker 1: hates Dak. No, No, that's why you would have hate it.

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Speaker 1: That's why as he said, position of need that was

490
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Speaker 1: in the question, and quarterback is not a need for

491
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Speaker 1: this team. They all make sense. That's why they're positions

492
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Speaker 1: of need. That's kind of what I'm saying. But the

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Speaker 1: player that you feel like would be a reach at

494
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Speaker 1: that if he took the Michigan defensive end, I thought

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Speaker 1: they would be a little questionable. A jabo, Yeah, you

496
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Speaker 1: were talking about him in the first segment. I think so,

497
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Speaker 1: I think so. I think that would be to me,

498
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Speaker 1: that would be one I would kind of I would

499
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Speaker 1: kind of like, Okay, let's hang on our rear here

500
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Speaker 1: we go, you know, kind of a thing. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just I think there's some things about him. I

502
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Speaker 1: think there's a really raw player. I think he's only

503
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Speaker 1: played football for a limited amount of time. It might

504
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Speaker 1: work out great, it really might as he learns and

505
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Speaker 1: stuff like that. Sometimes I kind of feel like that

506
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Speaker 1: you don't have this opportunity to learn and do I mean,

507
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Speaker 1: you need to like plug these guys in and let

508
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Speaker 1: him play and let him be good. I think there

509
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Speaker 1: would be a lot of pressure on him. Again, I'd

510
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Speaker 1: hate for them to force this pick at defensive end.

511
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Speaker 1: If they all of a suddenly turned, you lose Randy

512
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Speaker 1: or you lose Tank. Yeah, you know, and that would

513
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Speaker 1: be the one pick at twenty four that I would

514
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Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, man, all those other guys

515
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Speaker 1: I've kind of I kind of have an idea of

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Speaker 1: what they could be. The Michigan kid could be a

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Speaker 1: great player. He could end up being great, but right now,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he could be great. That would

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Speaker 1: be my question. With everything we said in the first segment,

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Speaker 1: do you all think it's fair to say like they

521
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Speaker 1: should have a good shot at a plug and play prospect.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, oh yeah, yeah, and so that's that's what worries, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: at the thought of drafting a project guy in this spot.

524
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Speaker 1: And he just said he doesn't have a lot of experience.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you're if you're say, if you drafted

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Speaker 1: him and you already had Tank and you also had

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Speaker 1: Randy and you wanted to maybe because one was going

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Speaker 1: to move on the next year, but you let this

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Speaker 1: kid grow a little bit and learn. You know, maybe

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Speaker 1: that would maybe that if you had time to do that.

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Speaker 1: But I kind of feel like in this day and age,

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Speaker 1: you got to get these plug and play guys. I agree,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean I don't have time for a

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Speaker 1: guy to sit and watch for you know, seven weeks,

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Speaker 1: eight weeks. I needed Kelvin Joseph to play. I needed

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Speaker 1: him to play, you know, and I don't you know,

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Speaker 1: if you want to keep doing stuff like that, well

538
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Speaker 1: then you know we're gonna be like, there's gonna be

539
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Speaker 1: more questions and more questions, and then when we get

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Speaker 1: to the draft, it's gonna be well, you know, they've

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Speaker 1: got Kelvin Joseph. Well, did you really do anything? You know,

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Speaker 1: he showed some promise. I mean, you need these guys

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Speaker 1: to play, and not all of them can. But if

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Speaker 1: you're drafting these guys high enough, they need to step

545
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Speaker 1: in and play. I assumed one of y'all would have

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Speaker 1: said defensive tackle. That was where I was about to say,

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Speaker 1: kind of along those same lines. If it's not Leal

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Speaker 1: or Jordan Davis, I'm probably not interested even a Perry

549
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Speaker 1: On Winfrey, who I might. If they take Leale, I'll

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Speaker 1: be a little nervous about that too. If you want

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Speaker 1: to bring Sad, yeah, and I will have a rough

552
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Speaker 1: next five minutes on the air. See. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I hate it. I think early yeah, give or take.

554
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Speaker 1: But I don't necessarily think it's a great thing. We've

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Speaker 1: talked about Jordan Davis and like he's he's going to

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Speaker 1: draw interest because he's six six three, sixth year or whatever.

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Speaker 1: His measurement is a good player. Is he a first

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Speaker 1: round player? Though? And I think we've talked about this,

559
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Speaker 1: but like that that scene, I don't I don't know

560
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Speaker 1: how much I would love that at twenty Well, the

561
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Speaker 1: problem is that's not to me. It's not a question

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Speaker 1: about Jordan Davis. It's a question about positional value. How

563
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Speaker 1: do you use. It's just a matter of is a

564
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Speaker 1: nose tackle two down player a first round player? And

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Speaker 1: that's that was kind of my point. I mean, And

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Speaker 1: to me, no, like maybe a few because a lot

567
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Speaker 1: of times I think you'll look back at this and

568
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Speaker 1: feel really dumb about it, because a lot of times

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Speaker 1: I think you convince yourself of certain things. Remember the

570
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Speaker 1: Chiefs when they drafted Clyde Edwards Hilaire, Yeah, it was like, well,

571
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Speaker 1: they've such a good team, you're just plopping icing on

572
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Speaker 1: the cake. You can't do that. You're gonna look back

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Speaker 1: at those picks later and be like, oh, wait, we

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Speaker 1: should have picked the best player we could find, because

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Speaker 1: then he would have been the best player we could

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Speaker 1: find instead of, oh, you know, our team is really good,

577
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Speaker 1: but boy, if we had a two down run stuff

578
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Speaker 1: or let's just drop that cherry on top. I just

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can think that way. I want

580
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Speaker 1: to play Devil's advocate here because you're you're putting him

581
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Speaker 1: in that box. And I agree with you, by the way,

582
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Speaker 1: just so we're clear, but two down player, he's that

583
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Speaker 1: run stuff for the middle of your defensive line. Last year,

584
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Speaker 1: the box for Micah Parsons was. He was an off

585
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Speaker 1: ball linebacker that every once in a while could blitz. Sure,

586
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Speaker 1: there's something about Jordan Davis that could be that hidden

587
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: thing that you look at and you could say, maybe

588
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Speaker 1: in Quinn's system he could do something better. I actually

589
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Speaker 1: think maybe there's other nose tackles that you can say

590
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Speaker 1: that about. Okay, I would rather have Travis Jones, the

591
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Speaker 1: Yukon defensive tackle, in the second round than Jordan Davis

592
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Speaker 1: in the first, because then I'm getting a guy who

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Speaker 1: is a run stopper but also has a little bit

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Speaker 1: of juice in terms of rushing the passer. With Jordan

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Speaker 1: k three down, Yeah, with Jordan Davis on third down,

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Speaker 1: if you had him on the field, he's gonna run

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Speaker 1: straight ahead. And if there's two guys there, they're all

598
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Speaker 1: going to stand there together and have fun. And if

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Speaker 1: it's one guy, he'll be working his way towards the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But you're not going to get sack production out of him.

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Speaker 1: And so to me, that's not a first round player

602
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Speaker 1: unless you're a total freakazoid like Vitavea. That was a

603
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Speaker 1: first round player, sure, because he was Jordan Davis plus

604
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: quick feet, quick hands, just a badass penetrates. Yea, yeah,

605
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Speaker 1: like he had he had some more that was getting

606
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Speaker 1: crushed enough in the run last year that you had

607
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Speaker 1: to go out and get a one technique like that downy.

608
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Speaker 1: I think they could use that help in their interior.

609
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Speaker 1: I just I'm not convinced it needs to be a

610
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Speaker 1: first round pick. Is it a need above other needs?

611
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Speaker 1: Probably not, feel and I do understand the value of

612
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: nothing with us. It makes your linebackers better, it does,

613
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Speaker 1: It does a lot for your team, But do you

614
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Speaker 1: need to invest a first round pick? And the fact

615
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Speaker 1: that they haven't had one in a while, maybe it

616
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Speaker 1: does say that at some point you got to use

617
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Speaker 1: a first round pick for that. That seems like a

618
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Speaker 1: job that could be done for less than that. That

619
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Speaker 1: was a thing under sorry Brian, that was a thing

620
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Speaker 1: under Rod Marinelli forever. Like we just never talked about

621
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Speaker 1: knows tackles. So with Bohannah that you're going to tell

622
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Speaker 1: me he was just a sixth round pick and don't

623
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Speaker 1: worry about it. And they told you that already. He

624
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Speaker 1: was watching Carlos Watkins play. Yeah sure, I mean, I

625
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Speaker 1: mean I'm asking the question. I just say, yeah, I

626
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Speaker 1: think you can upgrade the talent there without spending pick

627
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Speaker 1: twenty four on it, especially since I mean somewhere between

628
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Speaker 1: twenty four and the six he talked about absolutely, he

629
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Speaker 1: talked about Jones from Connecticut. Matthis is that guy for

630
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Speaker 1: me at Alabama. I mean, if you're talking about not

631
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Speaker 1: having to spend a first round pick on a defensive tackle,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm matthis is a perfect guy for me.

633
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I have him above Jones, and I respect

634
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: what he's saying about Jones because there's some good tape

635
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: of Jones Jones. Mathis but that's I just need a

636
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: little bit more. I just need a little bit And

637
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: maybe you know, is he is he such a great

638
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: two down player that you just totally turn a blind

639
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: eye to that. You know, you might just say he

640
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: is he is a this guy is the best two

641
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: down play, best defensive tackle, but he only plays two downs.

642
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: Do you you just say, Okay, well that's that's what

643
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna take. Nobody's running on us and we'll just

644
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: figure out the rest of what he does later. If

645
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: he vetave, I'm down, He's not. Though he's no. We

646
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: don't think he is, at least I don't think, right

647
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: I don't think he is. Okay. I love this question

648
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: from GC actually because it's easy to get in the weeds.

649
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: But I think it's important to remember that people of

650
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: all levels of expertise listen to this. He wants a

651
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: little bit more detail on And we've talked about Tyler

652
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: Linderbaum fitting a zone scheme really well, can you expound

653
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: on what that means? Yeah, and a zone scheme. You

654
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: picture an offensive line, right, there's two ways people are

655
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: going to talk about blocking a running play. One is

656
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: called gap scheme. One is called zone scheme, and a

657
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: gap scheme. Ideally, you want your guys to be super

658
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: strong because their job is moved that dude, that's his job.

659
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: And the running back you're gonna figure it out. We're

660
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: gonna move these dudes. You got him, you got him.

661
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna move them and go and you're gonna go

662
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: and you're gonna figure that out. And if it is

663
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: zone running, depending on which sort of But like Dave said,

664
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: let's not get too far in the weeds. Essentially, your

665
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: offensive line is gonna be moving on a track. We're

666
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: moving this way and we're all going that way, and

667
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: they will figure out based on sometimes or this way. Yeah,

668
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: and we're gonna figure out based on as we start

669
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: moving who is we're on defense. Oh, clearly us two.

670
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna block him, yea, And okay, now you've got him. Okay,

671
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get the linebacker. And we're just we're

672
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: doing that, and so it's more scripted, yes and concert Thoal,

673
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: we're doing a great thing. And Linderbaum is great as

674
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: a zone player because he is a outstanding athlete at center.

675
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: And so you picture a play where your call is, Hey,

676
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: we're running to the right, and we're a zone blocking team.

677
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: So when the center snaps the ball, we are all

678
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: just whoo going that way, and there is a defensive

679
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: tackle to my center's right. Oh that's a tough block

680
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: to make. Yeah, we're going right. I gotta get around

681
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: him and snap this football while he's moving forward. Linder

682
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: Bomb can do it. Yeah, that's a reach block. Yeah,

683
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: the way Jeff was describing that, young scoop reach these

684
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: things if you get when you get hip to hip

685
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: and then you push the guard to the next level

686
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: by by being hip to hip, it allows the center

687
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: in this case Linden Bomb to get in front to

688
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: get his head across that's what you want to do.

689
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: You talk about reaching wide techniques. I think he can

690
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: reach white techniques on his own. I don't think he

691
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: has to always have that that that hip to hip

692
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: to get to the second level. I think he's good

693
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: enough to where he can snap the ball step and

694
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: get his head across a wide defender and then turn

695
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: to keep him sealed off from the play. And that

696
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: would be the benefit. We've talked about his size, he's

697
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: two nine. That is a benefit of having an undersized center.

698
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: Is that athleticism exactly. Jeff mentioned that the guy Kelsey.

699
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: You can watch Kelsey play at Philadelphia if you have

700
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: the all twenty two from the NFL dot Com the

701
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: game passed to watch Travis. I keep call him Travis

702
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: Bason Kelsey play and you just watch him and you'll

703
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 1: see some of the traits that you see in linder Bomb.

704
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing too, is it takes a

705
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: lot more footwork to a certain extent to be able

706
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: to have that athleticism to move to the second level.

707
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: If you're in a gap scheme, of course there's footwork

708
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: involved there, but it's more power, pure strength. Not only

709
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: does Linderbomb have the strength to do that and the

710
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: athleticism to get outside, but he's so fundamentally sound in

711
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,959
Speaker 1: the way that he does it. In my opinion, he's

712
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: the safest pick in terms of a interior offensive lineman

713
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: in this entire draft because of the way he is

714
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: so polished, he's so athletic, and he has that strength

715
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: despite a little bit of a small size, to be

716
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: able to get in and plug immediately into a zone

717
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: blocking scheme, which by the way, is something that the

718
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: Cowboys do quite often. At this early stage, I think

719
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: it would be him or Nakobe Dean that would make

720
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: me most excited to draft. Speaking of which, got a

721
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: lot of linebacker questions from people today, starting with KG

722
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: who wants to know about guys who can fill a

723
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: mic linebacker role specifically that you like. It's interesting because

724
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm Christian Harris from Alabama. That's the first name I

725
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: think of. Yeah, I think when when you're talking, Christian

726
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: Harris is a six two, two hundred and thirty two

727
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: pound guy that I mean, he's one of those linebackers.

728
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: He's always around the football. He makes a ton of

729
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: tackles because he's got a burst and that ability to close.

730
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: But the one thing that you can see with him

731
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: is he is super physical when it comes to getting

732
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: to the football and taking on blocks and stuff like that.

733
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: That's the kind of guy you need. You need a

734
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna play downhill. It's gonna play with his hands,

735
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: is gonna finish everyone. Of his tackles is just like

736
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, just explosive tackles. Now, he's gonna

737
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: make some mistakes. You'll see sometimes where he won't read

738
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: it really really really quick. But then he's got such

739
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: a burst in his Oh, I just f this thing up,

740
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: and now he's running like hell to get to where

741
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: he has to be. So Christian Harris would be a

742
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: guy for me. If you're looking for a downhill mic linebacker,

743
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: he's a perfect fit for me. On there, pretty boring.

744
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say I agree with the name he

745
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: gave you based on linebackers i've seen, because the top

746
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: two guys, I think you're talking more about weakside where

747
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: you'd like him clean, let him run, yeah, And Christian Harris,

748
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: if it's like, hey, you're gonna have to deal with

749
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: some clutter, he'd say, okay, I'll hit him you know,

750
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: we talked about we talked about ten Dale too from

751
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: Alabama Georgia excuse me, and you know, and we were

752
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: kind of all talking about maybe he doesn't read it

753
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: as quick. Jeff was mentioned about Dean and the other

754
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: linebackers that are flying to get out of there, that

755
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: kind of thing. So I he would be a guy

756
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: kind of in that next thing. But to me, the

757
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: Alabama kid is clearly the best fit as far as

758
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: that goes. I have Christian Harris above the guy who

759
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm about to mention. But have you seen Darian Beavers

760
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: from and have not seen him yet? Senior Bowl guy,

761
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: he does have a great name. He'd be one of

762
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: those developmental types in that kind of role. He's not

763
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: as downhill, he's not as good of a polished player

764
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: as Harris is, but he has some of those same

765
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: traits to where he does it hard. He has some

766
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: solid recognition the football. IQ is certainly there, and he

767
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: was one of the leaders of that Cincinnati defense that

768
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: went all the way to the playoff this past year.

769
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: So keep that in. I kind of yeah that to me,

770
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: and that's a name I need to watch for sure. Lloyd,

771
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: you know, when you go back, and you think about

772
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: Lloyd from Utah. He can do it. He can absolutely

773
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: do that. I mean not really a take on guy.

774
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: He's more of a slip find my way around guy. Yeah,

775
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: I can do it, I tell you what. But the

776
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: thing about him is though, when he's like when those

777
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: mic linebackers when they see it and they go and

778
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: he is that, I mean he is the guy is

779
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 1: super super super smart. You know, you watch him play,

780
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: you could tell he's the vision to see to read

781
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: the blocks and then he's out of there. That's, you know,

782
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: a mic linebacker. We always talk about the old school

783
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: take on guys, which I think Hares is from Alabama.

784
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: This guy's more of a I could take on if

785
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: I have to, but I really don't want to because

786
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see it and I'm gonna go. And I

787
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: think that's where Lloyd fits in with me. Roger and

788
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: we talked about him before the show. Roger wants to

789
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: know about Chad Muma from Wyoming, another Senior Bowl guy. Yeah,

790
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: interesting timing because of what Logan Wilson did in the

791
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: Super Bowl the other day. Yeah, this is this true. Yeah,

792
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: this Muma is. I mean, when you watch the Wyoming

793
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: tape and it's and I got to see him against

794
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: the Boise and un LV and Kent State and people

795
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: like that. He's not going to wow you with this

796
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: athletic ability, but he's there's some sneakiness to his game.

797
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: And I mean when you when you talk about one

798
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: of the better tacklers and this, I think, I think

799
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: the Michigan you know, safety Dax Hill. I think he's

800
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: a really good tackler. Muma is a guy that when

801
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: when he gets in the pros, he is going to

802
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: be like, You're not going to see people run through

803
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: him or he's gonna bounce off or anything like that.

804
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, he's a really really good guy.

805
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: See him more really as an outside linebacker. But when

806
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: it comes to making the play, I mean, he's gonna

807
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: read those keys, he's gonna get to the ball quickly,

808
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: and he's gonna tackle his guy is on the ground.

809
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, broken tackle another eight yard game.

810
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't like I say, my my thing was

811
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: I have seen him playing coverage and he wasn't a liability.

812
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: So if you're going to tackle, play some coverage and

813
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: be around the ball, I kind of feel like that's

814
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: a complete linebacker type of player for me. So based

815
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: off of what you're saying, and I saw him at

816
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. I have not watched his tape yet, sure,

817
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: but good run defender, solid tackler. Yeah, I mean no,

818
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: I mean you know, I didn't. I didn't see as

819
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: a question mark. I didn't think he was a liability

820
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: at all. I just felt like that when he had

821
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: the opportunity, it was basic stuff. It was drop kind

822
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: of sit in a zone and then when react to

823
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: what was going on, if there was a crosser, if

824
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: there was a guy hooking up, he was reacting stuff

825
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: like that. I had the Brandon Smith from Penn State

826
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: above him as another guy. So I don't know if

827
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: you've guys have seen Brandon Smith at all from Penn State.

828
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: It is one of the guys in the draft that

829
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: terrifies me the most. Yeah, when I'm watching him, I

830
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: was like, okay, first things first, he's what six two

831
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: sixty yeah, and so you're like, good body, yeah, and

832
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: then he moves and you're like right, yeah, it's like

833
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: eight yeah. And then but to me, that was that

834
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: was about it. He's super reckless. I mean there's my question.

835
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: And it looks like he hadn't doesn't know and then

836
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: and and I think, to me, but yeah, there's but

837
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: there's things about him though. I mean when you watch

838
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: when you watch him play, I mean there there are

839
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: times where he is when he gets around the ball.

840
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: I mean he gets there in such a hurry. And

841
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm kind of feeling like that somebody I'm not seeing

842
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: Penn State's not coaching these guys up. But I kind

843
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: of feel like though that he could. He could use

844
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: somebody to really say, Okay, this is how you play.

845
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: Because he's not afraid to throw his body around, he's

846
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: not afraid to make those plays. I mean, he can

847
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: cover some ground too. And that's what I'm saying. With movement,

848
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: you might get the guy that's the steady steady, you know,

849
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: and then this guy might be the homer and you

850
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: talk about the Michigan guy being raw and you might

851
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: hit hit on the big one. Brandon Smith might be

852
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: the guy at six three two forty that you hit

853
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: on and you're like, oh my gosh, you know he's

854
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: making every single play. That's because somebody's working with the

855
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: Jeff's right, man, He's got some scary trades to him

856
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: as well. Have you had a chance, I know you're

857
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: familiar with him, but have you had a chance to

858
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: tape study our our boy, Damon Clark. I have, I have.

859
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I I mean, look, I get it. I

860
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: was gonna say Brian and I are both geared up

861
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: for LSU. Come on, Homers, what do you got. I'm

862
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: curious for Brian's thoughts. I think that's a name that

863
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: we haven't really said that I think is a very

864
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: viable Day two type of guy. Well, there's another one

865
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: of those mic linebackers. I just had Harris above him,

866
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: and you know that there's there's a lot of violence

867
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: to his game. I mean, when you really watch him play,

868
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: I you know, it's it's kind of hard because it's

869
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: your school and all that, and he's like, Okay, you're

870
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: trying to watch the whole defense. But he shows up.

871
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: He wears number eighteen. He shows up every single play,

872
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, when they have to have a play. He's

873
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: the Texas. You can watch the Texas A and M

874
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: game the last play. I mean they're trying, ain't him

875
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: trying to drive? And he he makes the pressure to

876
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: you know, to cause the incompletions, you know, and stuff

877
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: like that. Way more ability in the backfield than a

878
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: guy his size should have. I think, yeah, I mean

879
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: to me, and I was surprised. It's six three, two

880
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: forty five. He could cover pretty good because if you

881
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: watch the Florida tape, he's just an interception in that

882
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: game and he had to carry a receiver down the

883
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: field to make it happen. So there you have it.

884
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: A big guy with some toughness, some physicality, tackle ability

885
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: downhill play. You could tell he was a leader of

886
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: this defense, and this defense didn't have a leader, and

887
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: he was the leader. You could just tell by the

888
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: way he played. Where do you have him too? I

889
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: have him the let's see where I have him here.

890
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: I think I have him in the third round as well.

891
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: Make that back I take I do have him in too. Jeff,

892
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: that's a compliment Data. You're right, No, it absolutely is.

893
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: All right. I'm throwing this out there. Look, I have

894
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: plans for this. Yes we don't. We don't watch kickers, right,

895
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: We've never really done that LSU Oklahoma, Texas. That's what

896
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: I learned. Okay, So I just I'm not ignoring all

897
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: of you that ask kicker questions. I do want to

898
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: have a bigger conversation about this at one point, but

899
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: just philosophically question from Matt, where would you start to

900
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: feel comfortable drafting a kicker justin Tucker second round? It's

901
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: that nepsy that never I find it get. I mean,

902
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: if you do, you, I mean even give me. He's

903
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: just so weird like Aguyo was what a second round

904
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: pick and couldn't complete busts like what in the world

905
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: like if I'm gonna I think that pick scared the

906
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: entire league on kickers because he was as as sure

907
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: of a thing as possible coming out of Florida State Kickers.

908
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: I firmly believe drafting a guy that I probably melts

909
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: his brain a little bit. I just like, for such

910
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: a mental position, you can have a compete story. Five

911
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 1: you think for Dalton, Yes, yes, maybe that's why we start.

912
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm thinking fifth round is where the conversation starts.

913
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: Right start watching tape, Ah Guy, Texas guy. There's only

914
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: there's only like three you need to worry about, and

915
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: everybody else the LSU guy. I got to say this

916
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: about the LSU guy every time that I didn't think

917
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: he was gonna make when he made one the Florida

918
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: kick last year, two years in the rain, the Fogs,

919
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: because they're college kickers, you always assume they're gonna miss

920
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what he you know, he did some

921
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: really really good things. And like I've seen, like with

922
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: the Texas kicker, you mean he's actually you know, these

923
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: guys got some they say, the Oklahoma kid. There's an

924
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: Oklahoma kid that's a pretty good. So yeah, you have

925
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: to probably start. But if you told me that I

926
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: had compensatory picks, you know that, like like two years ago,

927
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: didn't they have a bunch of compensed story picks that

928
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: they the cowboys? The cowboys they had Like there you go.

929
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: I mean there's where you start thinking about, Okay, they

930
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: just gave us a they just gave us a pick.

931
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: Let's use it on a guy that maybe that might

932
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: be that guy without giving anything away. So that I

933
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: think the two names that everyone knows Cameron Dicker out

934
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: of Texas, kde York out of LSU. Yeah, they're both

935
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: training here. Kde York's actually from Prosper of Texas, so

936
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: he's right up the road. Is he an older guy?

937
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: If I'm trying to remember, Oh yeah young because our

938
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: punter was old. Yeah, nobody know. Our punter was like,

939
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: they're impossible to know. How could we know? Stop it? Okay,

940
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: just something to consider, like we're not done with this,

941
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: like we're gonna talk more. We're done. No, we're not,

942
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: Oh we are. We are not done talking kickers. We

943
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: are done for today. We're not done in the grand scheme.

944
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,480
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981
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: I think we covered what I wanted to cover in

982
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: the first segment, so what I wanted to do with

983
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: the last few minutes that we have and we were

984
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: kind of doing this in Twitter on the twenty anyway,

985
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: But I would just love to throw the floor to

986
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: y'all and just try to get some names out there

987
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 1: that maybe we haven't given enough publicity to. You could

988
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: call it a pet cat if you want to. You

989
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: could just call it a guy that you like that

990
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: maybe you just want to talk about. But we'll just yeah, Brian,

991
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: I'll start take the floor, sir. Yeah. I don't think

992
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: he'd been in this room as seeing Kade Ott and

993
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: the wide the tight end from the University of Washington

994
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: yet have you looked at him, Jeff and I have not.

995
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: I've seen Trey McBride, Jeremy Ruckard and Isaiah liked. Those

996
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: are the three I have, and then Jake Ferguson on

997
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: that list, but his next I have Otonist one of

998
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: the higher ones of these guys. I think that he

999
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: was banged up this year. He missed several games this season.

1000
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: You know, when he did get to play, I thought

1001
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 1: this guy was super productive. This guy's a weapon. They'll

1002
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: use him all over the formation. He's not afraid to

1003
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: stick his nose in there in a blocker. That's kind

1004
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: of where I kind of got a little excited about

1005
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: the guy because he's kind of a fit position. But

1006
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: then he gets movement with his feet because I feel

1007
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: like he's got that athletic ability, but he's got a

1008
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: little bit that snap in his hips. He's an outstanding

1009
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: route runner receiver. He just very well at the ball.

1010
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: I mean he makes things happen with the ball in

1011
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: his hands. You watch him tough run after catch, so

1012
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't see one time where he misplayed

1013
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: a ball. Everything looked really natural for him. So Kade

1014
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: Otten six five, two forty, a tight end from the

1015
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: Washington Huskies, would be a guy I would say. Take

1016
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: a peek at twenty eight catches for two hundred and

1017
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: fifty yards. That's tight end can be such a beating.

1018
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: Sometimes he missed, he missed, he missed several games. If

1019
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: you go back and watch him play some other games

1020
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, that's where you kind of have

1021
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: to go because he missed some games this year, and

1022
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: he missed some games because he gets the COVID issues

1023
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: and stuff. But I kind of got on him. I

1024
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: just that's just the movement in the in the ability

1025
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: to catch the football and then and again, I mean,

1026
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: this wasn't just like a one shot blocker guy. This

1027
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: guy actually, you know, he's one of the better better

1028
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: tight ends I've study. You know, my favorite question, where

1029
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: do you have him? I have him right now in

1030
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: the third round, top of the third round. Matter of fact,

1031
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: I have Widemeyer as a second round tight end. Then

1032
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: I have Otton Rucker and McBride wireul be my third

1033
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: round tight ends. McBride is Colorado stayed Widemeyer's Texas and

1034
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: m Right records Ohio State, and his stats will be

1035
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: very unimpressive because they just throw their wide receivers. But

1036
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: he looks good. I think in college football you're either

1037
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 1: if you're a tight end, you're either catching eighty balls

1038
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: and winning the Mackie or you're McBride if you watch.

1039
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: If you watch McBride at Colorado State, he's fed. He's

1040
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: the most productive one, but they don't have a really

1041
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: good quarterback to throw the ball. The other thing about

1042
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: McBride that's interesting though, is he didn't have a receiving

1043
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: touchdown this season. He had like nine hundred yards without

1044
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: a receiving touchdown. And then he goes to the senior

1045
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: ball and he immediately catches a touchdown pass on the

1046
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: first drive of the game. So are one of the

1047
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: first drives of the game. He was hungry. He wanted

1048
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: that Jeffrey to show the red zone ability. What do

1049
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: you got, I'll just throw out a safety name, Jaquon Brisker,

1050
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: Penn State. I think I've said the name, but probably

1051
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: not spent a lot of time. I think Briskers about

1052
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: Brisker is probably the name that I see the most

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00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 1: on Twitter from just curious fans that we I think

1054
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: we've talked about him. I don't know if we've spent

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00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: a ton of time. He might fit in the range

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00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: between cowboy picks for one and two. But if you

1057
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: moved around in the draft, or if he was available

1058
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,479
Speaker 1: with your second round pick. I really like Jaquon Brisker's tape.

1059
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: I think he is a full sized dude that is

1060
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: pretty good at everything. I think he doesn't look like

1061
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: an elite athlete, but dependable tackler, good coverage guy, puts

1062
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: himself in the right spots. So he's I believe he's

1063
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: a fifth year player, which probably hurt you in the draft.

1064
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: So he'll probably be twenty three when he's drafted, which

1065
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: can hurt you in the draft. So if he's available

1066
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: with the second round, Brisker. But the other thing I

1067
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: want to bring up is because I always want to

1068
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: break it up as wide receiver. Are we surprised? This

1069
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: is my order of these guys, And if the NFL's

1070
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: order is way different than maybe a guy that I

1071
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: say earlier would be available and I would be very happy.

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00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: Spend enough time on sky Moore, thank you. I'm going

1073
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 1: to ignore Garrett Wilson Trail and Bergs Jamison Williams because

1074
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: he's going to be a first round ish. I am

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00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: looking at potential Cowboys second rounders, and I am looking

1076
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: at George Pickens, at Georgia who is body and it

1077
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: probably is cheating because of the uniform. But his body

1078
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: and watching him like the way he's built and the

1079
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: way he moves, you're gonna go, oh, I've seen that before.

1080
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: It's aj Green, Oh wow. Missed almost all of this

1081
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: year because he was hurt blew out of knee in spring.

1082
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: But man, he is a six two sixty three with

1083
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: good feet, better quickness than you would expect from a

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00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: big guy like that. So George Pickens Chris Olabe, people

1085
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: will say wouldn't make it to the Cowboys. Second pick

1086
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: Dotson at Penn State either, So maybe ignore them. But

1087
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: I've Pickens ahead of both of them. What about Metchi?

1088
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: And then Metchi is my next one? John Mechi at Alabama,

1089
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: who is the guy that Alabama went to when they

1090
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: needed to play. They ain't going to Jameson Williams. They

1091
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: went to John Mechi, and so they're different players. Jameson

1092
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: Williams is more explosive down the field guy. John Mechi

1093
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: is more of your dependable variety of routes, catch it

1094
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: in traffic, whatever you gotta do to get the job done,

1095
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: get it done. So Mechi. Jalen Tulbert at South Alabama,

1096
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: who was a great deep threat for them, and I

1097
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: love the way he runs routes and sets up corners

1098
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: to set himself up to get deep. Michael Gallip replacement

1099
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: could be. So that's what I'm looking at, is the

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00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 1: second round pick. If the name George Pickens, John Metchi,

1101
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: Jalen Tulbert or on the board, your boy is interested.

1102
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: I feel like you're setting me up for a scenario.

1103
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 1: I believe the Cowboys second round pick is fifty six.

1104
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: I feel like you're setting me up for a scenario

1105
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: where there's like four receivers and I want them all disappointed.

1106
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: Of course you're gonna want them all, but we're just well,

1107
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: I want to gallop in the second, so we can

1108
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: just wait until the third for the guy that I

1109
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: want to say. I just feel like we're gonna be

1110
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: watching it ticked down and like, oh no, Seattle took

1111
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: a guy at forty two, Like, oh, this is gonna

1112
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: be a terrible twenty Minute's gonna say ten or twelve

1113
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: receivers being gone by your second round pick for me

1114
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: to not want one. Here's the thing. You're not only

1115
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: gonna have four receivers there that you're gonna really want.

1116
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've been as excited about a

1117
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: pick after the first round as I am about this

1118
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: draft at fifty six, because pick is my favorite every year.

1119
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: Really good player at fifty six. Wait real quick, I

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00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: want to give you the floor real quick, Jeff. I'm

1121
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: curious about Pickens, the pedigree, the body type. I mean,

1122
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: he played at Georgia, this, that, and the other. He

1123
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: just strikes me as a guy that could be much

1124
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: more on the radar by the time it's all said

1125
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: and done, like, yeah, it could be, could be, and

1126
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: that'll be interesting because I don't think he's a burner. No,

1127
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a speed guy. But he is

1128
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: a full size, nifty hands catcher, big catch radius, good

1129
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: after the catch, not because he's an explosive athlete necessarily,

1130
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: but because everything is immediate, like when the ball is caught.

1131
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys that it's not catch, turn around,

1132
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: where am I going? It's catch and he's already decided

1133
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: am I spinning in or out? And the first guy

1134
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: is gonna miss a bunch. Pickens is a good player.

1135
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: Medicals will matter, and just how does he fit in

1136
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: the pecking order of receivers will matter because based on

1137
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: other people's work that I respect. He might be the

1138
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 1: tenth or twelfth receiver taken. In my world, he would

1139
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: probably be one of the first five. Wow, so we'll see.

1140
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: I love that. What I love about you is that

1141
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: you're not afraid to be completely sky Moore, George Pickens,

1142
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: my receivers. Brian gets a piece of George Pickens. It's

1143
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: his guy, took. Y'all always have guys together, Kyle, give me,

1144
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: give me a guy or some guys. Okay, I've got one.

1145
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: And this is this is a scenario where either Linderbaum

1146
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: or Green is gone in the first round. And I

1147
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: had an old wise scout one time, tell me to

1148
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: go look at this guy. His name is Brian brought

1149
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: us across the tables. Just ask Kissery right there. No,

1150
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: he told me the first draft show. He said, go

1151
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: look at Donovan West out of Arizona State. And I

1152
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: like him a lot. Actually, I think I would take

1153
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: him as early as fifty six, but only if you're

1154
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: kind of dried up at the board there. And I

1155
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: just told you, I don't think that'll happen. I think

1156
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: he'll probably fit somewhere between the second and third round.

1157
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: I've got him in the second very quick. We were

1158
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: just talking about zone blocking schemes. He's one of those

1159
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: guys that's very athletic, has some strength, that power of attack.

1160
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: He moves very very well, and I think against PAC

1161
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: twelve competition, he was one of the better interior offensive

1162
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: lineman in the conference and continuously put up good tape.

1163
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: I went and I watched Arizona, which he was phenomenal

1164
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: in that game, and then USC, which I thought he

1165
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: actually played decent as well, much better in the Arizona

1166
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: game than the USC game. But I really liked what

1167
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: I saw in his tape. Yeah, he's a good player, though,

1168
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: I'll take you throw another guy to re course. Wide

1169
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: receiver Alec Pierce out of Cincinnati is another guy you

1170
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: need to watch. He's six threes, two hundred and eight pounds.

1171
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: Catch him against Notre Dame if you can. He's Caroline

1172
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: or SMU. I mean, this guy is again Jeff's listed.

1173
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: We've talked about a bunch of receivers, but if when

1174
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: you get down in that third round, if you don't

1175
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: get your second round receiver, I think this guy, Alec

1176
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: Pierce from Cincinnati is a really really good fit because

1177
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: he made a ton of plays down the field. Everything

1178
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: he does is down the field. He extends for the

1179
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: football he's got. You know, he's he'll surprise defenders with

1180
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: his quickness off the line. You think, because he's that tall,

1181
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: he's not that quick, but he's really really that's not

1182
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: the case at all. He could be really explosive the

1183
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: way he plays, and he's extremely tough. And when you're

1184
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: watching the quarterback for you know, for Cincinnati, you know,

1185
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: as you're evaluating him, you know he's throwing the ball

1186
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: a lot. Ridders throwing the ball a lot to Alex Pierce.

1187
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: Keep an eye on that kid, number twelve at Cincinnati.

1188
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: I can't tell if it's our blind like we fall

1189
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: in love with the receivers every year. I know, Jeff,

1190
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: I know why Jeff does, because it's fun. Well, we

1191
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: didn't talk about David Ball either too, or David David

1192
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: Bell Purdue. Yeah, I just you feel and there's so

1193
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: much we don't know. I get that, but you just

1194
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: feel confident that that do you think that is going

1195
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: to be an area of high urgency for the Collie

1196
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: It's just a position that you always have to evaluate

1197
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: for the league. You know, that mean that's for the

1198
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: Cowboys shirt. You know me, I try to know. I'm

1199
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: focused on the Cowboy and somebody on Twitter got on

1200
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: us because they thought one show needs to be about

1201
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and one show needs to be about just players.

1202
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: Should we do that? I don't. I mean your call

1203
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: at your show, think about it. But the thing about

1204
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: it is, though, the thing that I think with the

1205
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: wide receivers is there's such a you know, with the Cowboys,

1206
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: if it turns into you all you've got ceedee lamb. Yeah,

1207
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna need Jeff's plan. Well, second round,

1208
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: third round, whatever, You're gonna need that plan. Maybe it

1209
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: maybe it won'd play. But that's what I'm saying though,

1210
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: I mean, if it turns in that this league is

1211
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,959
Speaker 1: about throwing the football, it's about about receivers making big plays,

1212
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: about scoring, you know. I mean, you're gonna have to

1213
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: have guys who go out there and make plays for

1214
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: you get our d tackle next year. Look at the

1215
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: final four teams that were in the playoffs this year, Cincinnati,

1216
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, Tyreek Hills in Kansas City, and then Cooper

1217
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: Cup and then Deebo Samuel. I mean, well, just names

1218
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: the one either, like since we've got multiple three good ones.

1219
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: Oh I know, Kansas City is two elite receiver. Reason

1220
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: LA won the Super Bowl was because when Odell Becka

1221
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: went down, when Robert Woods wasn't there all seasoned, guess what,

1222
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: they had multiple weapons to throw the football too. Just

1223
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: bums me out because the Cowboys had that. We thought that,

1224
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: we thought they did. We never really saw it. We

1225
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: never really saw I could talk about quarterbacks because I

1226
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: couldn't stop it. That's an issue for another day. We

1227
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: talked about some players today, damn it. We appreciate the

1228
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: Western Kentucky y'all joining us. We will be back next week.

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Speaker 1: Next week Combine is already here, my friends. We will

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01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: be previewing the Combine. We can talk snubs, we can

1231
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: talk storylines. We got all that coming up. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch y'all next time. This has been a production

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