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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff mom never told you?

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Speaker 1: From house to works dot Com. Hey, welcome to podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is Molly and I smell a great today. I

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Speaker 1: was waiting for my intrama. You just jumped right in there.

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Speaker 1: I actually think I could useless deodorant right now. That's

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Speaker 1: all I wanted you to share with I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: lie your self assessment on how you smelled, you know.

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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, Molly, I could probably use a

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Speaker 1: little denteron. Okay, be honest with you. That's not bad.

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Speaker 1: I'm not wafting such a perfect leading since we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about deodorant, Yes, lots of questions about deodorant. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we're just gonna we're gonna try and cover them all. Yes.

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Speaker 1: First thing I've always wondered, is there a difference between

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Speaker 1: men's unorant and women's theater because men's deedorant have to

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Speaker 1: From a personal point of view, I would say, when

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Speaker 1: There's so much bigger wide, yeah, huge. Yeah. But if

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Speaker 1: you ever knows Kristen that they are sometimes less expensive

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Speaker 1: lot cheaper. And um So I actually found article from

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Speaker 1: talk about economics and what you should pay for stuff,

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Speaker 1: and they found that, um, in stores, there were a

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Speaker 1: lot of places from men's deodorant were priced, you know,

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Speaker 1: that matters. Yeah. I mean maybe it's because what is

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Speaker 1: its secret the secret tagline? Strong enough for a man

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Speaker 1: Apparently not, because if you look at the ingredients list, Um,

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Speaker 1: the active ingredients in two deodorans, one from men and

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Speaker 1: exact same quantity. The only difference is smell. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think it is largely a marketing ploy

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Speaker 1: According to the article which I believe you wrote Molly

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Speaker 1: for how Stuffworks dot Com called you men and women

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Speaker 1: need different deodorants. Men's deodorants aren't stronger in any other

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Speaker 1: don't know about that secret tagline. It all comes down

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Speaker 1: to how you want to smell, and according to Forbes,

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Speaker 1: seventy percent of men would like to smell more like

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Speaker 1: their girlfriends because that's how many men of men who

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Speaker 1: the interesting thing is too, in the early nineties, unisex

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Speaker 1: now we you know, I head towards the the light

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Speaker 1: specific it is if they've identified the girls love smell

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Speaker 1: the door, alright. So basically, clinkle strength Antipersprince and deodorants

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Speaker 1: is classified as a pep pesticide by the FDA, which

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Speaker 1: is used in deodorant to kill the odor causing back tiria.

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