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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Wednesday, July thirtieth, and yes,

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Speaker 2: we have a stacked night of headlines. So listen. There's

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Speaker 2: newly released bodycam footage that we're really getting some body

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Speaker 2: expert advice on. In the Brian Coberger, Idaho student murders,

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Speaker 2: you guys will remember there was that infamous bodycam footage

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Speaker 2: where he's pulled over twice, and now we're kind of

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Speaker 2: looking back through a new lens, so we will unpack that. Also,

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Speaker 2: this Epstein thing really does not seem to be slowing down.

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Speaker 2: There's been a real cry for these files to be released.

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Speaker 2: Our president says he's in favor of that. And we're

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Speaker 2: going to give you some new detail about Gilaine Maxwell's

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Speaker 2: latest requests. And also this terrible Devil's Den double hibicide.

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Speaker 2: Parents murdered with their two young children hiking. There's been

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Speaker 2: a person of interest that's been released to the press.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to get deeper into that as well.

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Speaker 2: I'm Stephanie Lei Decker, and I head of KAT Studios,

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Speaker 2: where we get to make true crime podcasts and documentaries

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Speaker 2: and I get to be here every night with Courtney

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and body move in and we have a talkback

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Speaker 2: actually about the biggest case of the day before we

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Speaker 2: go to that Adam the dentist affectionately known as the

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Speaker 2: dopey dentist affection. I say that because we're about to

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Speaker 2: let it rip. He has a verdict. Now the jury

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Speaker 2: has spoken, so stay with us because we will be

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Speaker 2: giving that detail as well. Let's go to the talkback.

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Speaker 3: Hi, I'm rock I love your show. I was just

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Speaker 3: wondering with the dirty dentist, what could he have done

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Speaker 3: better with the evidence? Others is a very suspicious question.

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Speaker 3: But what could have he done with the evidence you know,

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Speaker 3: a little bit smarter because I feel like what he

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Speaker 3: did was a little bit obvious and not very smart.

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Speaker 4: You know, Well, you're talking, Yes, that's very suspicious, by

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Speaker 4: the way, No, I know so dopey.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that's the lead, right, Thank goodness,

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Speaker 2: This dopey dentist was, in fact so dopey because you know,

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Speaker 2: he really has put a lot of people through a

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Speaker 4: I mean, the first thing he could have done is

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Speaker 4: not have it shipped to his office or his home,

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Speaker 4: you know, I mean, what a dummy. Yeah, because witnesses

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Speaker 4: are the ones that basically kind of caught all this,

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Speaker 4: the people that work with him in the office.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: Another thing he could have done is not purchase it

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Speaker 4: with his own money, like he could have used cryptocurrency

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Speaker 4: on you know something. I mean, everything traced right back

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Speaker 4: to him. He's really a dopey, dunist.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he could have not walked into a hospital with

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Speaker 4: He could have not met with his lover then when

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Speaker 4: his wife was dying in the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Also, maybe, yeah, maybe he could have not tried to

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Speaker 2: kill his wife with tear drops right eye drops with

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Speaker 2: cyanide also feels a little dope, like maybe get you know,

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Speaker 2: a divorce, maybe break up. You know, people break up.

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Speaker 2: And now these children, six of them, I might add,

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Speaker 2: you know, have to actually live their life without their

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Speaker 2: mom because dad was all set for their father. Yeah, exactly. Well,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to bury the lead, but who are

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Speaker 4: Well, the dope dentist is the dope dentist is officially

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Speaker 4: the dope murderer. He has been found guilty. James Craigs.

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Speaker 4: He's been sentenced to life without parole for the calculated

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Speaker 4: poisoning and murder of his wife. Her name is Angela Craig.

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Speaker 4: She was the mother of six of his children. So

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Speaker 4: he's got the guilty verdict on the murder, and he

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Speaker 4: all was found guilty of five other charges. Remember, he

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Speaker 4: was accused of, you know, working with the inmates to

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Speaker 4: he was just doing one thing after another. Well, he

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Speaker 4: was found guilty on these charges. Let me tell you

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Speaker 4: the charges. Charge one murder in the first degree, guilty

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Speaker 4: So that's the headline. Charge two is solicitation to commit

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Speaker 4: and that is in relation to he tried to influence

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Speaker 4: Charge four solicitation to commit perjury in the first degree.

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Speaker 4: mean this is you talked about a stacked knight of headlines. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: this is a stacked charge that he's been guilty. The

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Speaker 4: you know, a cute saying that he wanted the lead detective.

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Speaker 4: Charge six was the solicitation to commit perjury. He was

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Speaker 4: found guilty and that is the second guilty charge in

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Speaker 5: I wonder if the thinking was as they were prosecuting

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Speaker 4: Of maybe if they you know, maybe we could ask

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Speaker 4: Jared this, like, how often do prosecutors add these lesser

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Speaker 2: I interpreted it that way, and I did too attorney today,

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Speaker 2: the murder charges, well then manslaughter would perhaps suffice. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of the reverse of the Menendez brothers, right, they

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Speaker 2: And now the argument for the others who killed their

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Speaker 2: that manslaughter would have been more appropriate because it has

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Speaker 2: Jarrett Barantino would certainly have an opinion. Yeah, because I'd

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Speaker 4: Would there have been there was no manslaughter charge on Coberger,

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Speaker 4: these manslaughter charges are added as like a backup, right, or.

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Speaker 5: If they knew somehow, Yeah, if James Craig, this dent

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe, Well they're in all the we haven't looked

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Speaker 4: But I wonder if they led the prosecution to believe

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Speaker 2: Maybe a lawyer is listening, maybe Yeah, if so, listen,

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Speaker 5: We're trying to figure out the charges in this now

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Speaker 5: convicted murderer, this dopey dentist who killed his innocent wife, Angela.

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Speaker 2: There also were victim impact students really sad, really really sad.

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Speaker 4: So James Craig listened as his daughter, she was twenty

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Speaker 4: she's twenty one years old. He was crying. He was

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Speaker 4: leaning forward in his seat crying. His twenty one year

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Speaker 4: before his sentencing. She's saying things like I want my mom,

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Speaker 4: I want my mom more. I want more than anything

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Speaker 4: her about all the crazy stuff that's happened, she said.

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Speaker 4: And as she's saying this, James Craig's the Adobe dentist, his

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Speaker 4: defense attorney, her name is Ashley Whittam, had her hand

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Speaker 5: I don't know just or is just realizing seeing his

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Speaker 5: because how relatable is that is. I just want to

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Speaker 2: I mean, she said what many people can relate to, right,

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Speaker 2: sort of the ripple effect of this is unimaginable. And

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Speaker 2: imagine having to face your dad, who you love. They

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Speaker 2: moment that must be in Yeah, yeah, heartbreaking the son.

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Speaker 2: The son said this exactly. He said, it's hard to

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Speaker 4: Eldest daughter of Angela and James Craig said life will

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Speaker 2: And that's the lead a villain in my book. I

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Speaker 2: read that and my part stopped, and then, you know,

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Speaker 4: And we're reading these these victim impact statements. But there

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Speaker 4: much so that like the jurors who were, you know,

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Speaker 4: I just think it's you know, really it was just

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Speaker 4: really powerful. Angela's sisters addressed her siblings killer during the

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Speaker 4: impact statement, and they called him dishonest, a cheat, and

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Speaker 4: is what she said, for years, you planned, you plotted,

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Speaker 4: unfathomable ends, but you never could. Her sister Tony said this,

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Speaker 4: it's just she kind of tore into him a little bit,

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Speaker 4: kind of you know, very reminiscent of Killie Gonsolve's sister

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Speaker 4: but she was very spectacular and very impactful with her

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Speaker 2: Did you feel like his performance, meaning the murderer is

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Speaker 2: Jope dentis too shall even let's not even bother with

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Speaker 2: his name. He was sobbing so much, and you know,

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Speaker 2: looking at photographs of them. You could see this online

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Speaker 6: My name's I'm a doctor and I have been listening

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Speaker 2: Love the show, very helpful. It's so helpful, and it's

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Speaker 7: It was the weird worst I've obviously never done THHD

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Speaker 2: Doctor, grab a lamp and hit yourself over there. Well,

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Speaker 2: that would be suspicious. It could be as one thing,

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Speaker 2: So like our first caller, Rock, but very suspicious. You

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Speaker 4: This case is all over my social media all the Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Listening to true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio on Body Moved

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Speaker 2: That's so true. That is so true.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no detail too small, even one you don't see.

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Speaker 2: They will forever live on in all of our hearts.

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Speaker 2: Are the girls with the family, the children. The children

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Speaker 2: But again, what a traumatic event, and to have them

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Speaker 2: they are sort of the vital piece of information here,

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Speaker 2: So of course law enforcement I suppose to speak with them.

435
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 2: And although Stephanie you bring that up, do we know

436
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: for a fact that they actually were I believe that

437
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: they were brought for questioning by authorities, which I think

438
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Speaker 2: is pretty controversial.

439
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Speaker 4: I think they were the ones that initially described the

440
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 4: suspect like the fingerless glood.

441
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: It's my understanding to the glod okay, And if there's

442
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: anybody who knows differently, please you jump in. That was

443
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: the early report that we had initially read. And again

444
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 2: I think sometimes that's a tricky one for law enforcement

445
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: to have to make that call with young children. You know,

446
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: they know they're trained, you know, psychologists are involved. They

447
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 2: don't want to retraumatize anyone. But again, in the spirit

448
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: of keeping others safe, if someone's on the loose, you

449
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 2: kind of have to write. So if anyone knows differently,

450
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 2: please do let us know. We are going to be

451
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: unpacking this new idea that body has about kind of

452
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 2: this screening party. We want to know where is Amy Bradley.

453
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: And if you've been watching along on the Netflix documentary,

454
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: you know, don't talk about it too much because you

455
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: want it, save it for the show, or if you

456
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 2: haven't watched it yet, we're going to encourage you to

457
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: do so so we can all talk about it. I

458
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: haven't watched yet, so spoiler alert, spoiler alert, spoiler alert.

459
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 2: Also Diddy back in the news looking for some you know,

460
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 2: cash to be exchanged for him to be released from

461
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: prison while awaiting his sentencing in October. Fifty million bucks?

462
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: Will that send him home? And then also Brian Coburger

463
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Speaker 2: some kind of you know, haunting developments. You know, a

464
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 2: body with a body etique, bodycam footage, No, the bodycam footage,

465
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: body expert, you know body language. I thought you were

466
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 2: just talking to me. Body body body, body, body, body body.

467
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: A body language expert is looking at the body cam

468
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: footage in the Brian Coburger CA. You'll remember he was

469
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: pulled over by authorities two times prior to his arrest

470
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: and it actually is really telling. So more on that

471
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Speaker 2: to come. But first we have a talkback.

472
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Speaker 8: I'm calling just because my burning question with BK, I

473
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 8: think is just kind of the question that everybody is asking,

474
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Speaker 8: which is why did he target them specifically? I guess

475
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 8: more detailed would be did he really not take into

476
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Speaker 8: account how many people were in and out of the

477
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Speaker 8: house and did he really truly think nobody else was

478
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Speaker 8: going to be there when he committed this crime?

479
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, great question.

480
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's like the burning the burning question, and

481
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 4: yas are the facts are that he drove by the

482
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 4: house several times and had to see how many cars

483
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 4: were in the you know, in the driveway there. I mean,

484
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 4: he knew people were in that house.

485
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,239
Speaker 2: That was a very busy house all the time by

486
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: many accounts. Right, So that's a really good question.

487
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 4: Now, The idahost Statesman, which is a newspaper, I talked

488
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 4: about this a little bit last night. If you missed it,

489
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 4: and you can download the podcast on the iHeartRadio app.

490
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 4: The Idaho Statesman had a panel on YouTube on their

491
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 4: YouTube channel yesterday and on this panel they had a

492
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 4: bunch of reporters that they work with that spoke with

493
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Speaker 4: Bill Thompson and Chief Fry Bill Thompson.

494
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: If you don't know.

495
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 4: He's the prosecutor in this case, and Chief Fry was

496
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 4: the chief of the police, and they had some questions

497
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 4: answered and got some body cam footage, and I'm going

498
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 4: to talk about it really quick. So one of the

499
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 4: burning questions that we've had is in the Pennsylvania search

500
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 4: warrant results some of the things that they took from

501
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 4: Brian Coberger's home in Pennsylvania. One of the things that's

502
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 4: been burning a hole in my heart for the last

503
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 4: two and a half years is they found it said

504
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 4: it was number thirty five and it was IDs inside

505
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 4: a glove inside a box. And I initially my initial

506
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 4: reaction was he's been doing this before in Pennsylvania, and

507
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 4: a lot of people thought it might be the victims,

508
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 4: which is totally reasonable to assume that as well. I

509
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 4: happened to think it was women in Pennsylvania, and I

510
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 4: was right. It was women in Pennsylvania. And one of

511
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 4: them was a co worker of his that he worked

512
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Speaker 4: with at the Pleasant Valley School District when he was

513
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 4: a part time security guard where his father was also

514
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 4: a custodian. I believe it was a janitor. Yeah, he

515
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 4: was working there for many years and very loved right

516
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 4: so fa. There was yes, And we don't know who

517
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 4: the coworker was. We don't know how, when, how, what

518
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 4: the circumstances were behind Brian getting access to her ID.

519
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 4: We don't even know what kind of idea it was, right,

520
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: We don't even know if it was like a work

521
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 4: ID or if it was a school idea. We have

522
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 4: no idea what kind of idea it was. But I'm

523
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 4: my is that he has been doing this before and

524
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 4: he's he was a peeping tom of some kind on

525
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 4: women that he was drawn to in some way or

526
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 4: hated in some way, and broke into these women's homes

527
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: or their lockers at work, or their person in the

528
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 4: break room, whatever, and in stole something either that had

529
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 4: their address on it or that they would be upset

530
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 4: by losing. And it was so personal and it has

531
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Speaker 4: it's you know, it's as a piece of a person.

532
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: By the way, we have written to rupt this. Yeah,

533
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: we have breaking news.

534
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 5: Just before this commercial break, we were talking about the

535
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 5: couple that was stabbed to death and in the just

536
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 5: recently a suspect has been arrested. His name is James

537
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 5: Andrew McCann and he's a twenty eight year old man

538
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 5: from Arkansas, and he again was arrested in the killings

539
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 5: of the married bull at Devil's Den State Park over

540
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 5: the weekend. And that's about what we know. And he

541
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Speaker 5: has been charged with two counts of capital murder. There

542
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 5: is no motive that's been mentioned. I'm so glad, Yeah, yeah,

543
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 5: I mean, I hope doing the police effort that, you know,

544
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 5: Like we said that the FBI had joined in and

545
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 5: they closed the park and it was really all hands

546
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Speaker 5: on deck.

547
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: So I am grateful they have a suspect.

548
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, me too, know, I'm I'm so grateful. He's what

549
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 5: twenty eight, he's a twenty eight year old. Again, no motive,

550
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 5: it's very early days.

551
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 4: And he's also from Arkansas. That's correct, Well, that's correct.

552
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 4: I hope they got the right guy. So back to Coberger.

553
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I don't mean to like, but back to Coburger.

554
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 4: They also released bodycam footage of a stop we've often

555
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 4: heard about this stop in August, and this stop in

556
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 4: August is really important because it's how the police got

557
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 4: Brian Coberger's phone number in order to run all the

558
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 4: reports and whatnot on that device.

559
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: So we've often heard about it.

560
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 4: We finally got the body cam footage, and Taylor wanted

561
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Speaker 4: this bodycam footage and the stop excluded from the trial.

562
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 4: And now I think we know. I okay, So this

563
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 4: stop happened on August twenty first of twenty twenty two.

564
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 4: You know how bodycam footage usually has like a day

565
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 4: and time on it, Yeah, this one doesn't.

566
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: I was so mad.

567
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 4: I don't know, so I had to like pause the

568
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 4: video at certain spots where I could see the cops

569
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 4: clock in his car. But it was at eleven thirty

570
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 4: at night. It was like eleven twenty seven on a

571
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Speaker 4: Sunday night, and it was about five minutes from the

572
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 4: house Sunking Road.

573
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: So it's in Moscow.

574
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 4: It's a Laytal County Sheriff's It's about five minutes away

575
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 4: from the King roadhouse where, of course the murders took place.

576
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 4: Brian Koberger lives in Pullman, Washington, so really there's no

577
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 4: real reason for him to be there at eleven thirty

578
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 4: on a Sunday night. And he's wearing like a black

579
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 4: kind of like huffed turtleneck.

580
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: Like it's not a weird turtle neck, it's like a turtleneck,

581
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: like a mock.

582
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, like a hop turtleneck and like short sleeves and

583
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 4: black like kind of jeans.

584
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: I'm such a weird turtleneck. It's totally weird.

585
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 4: Right, So, and he's and he's like, you know, the

586
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 4: cop comes up and he's like, you know, you were

587
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 4: going forty one in a thirty five And Brian Coberger's

588
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 4: like okay, and the cops like did you did? Were

589
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 4: you wearing your seatbelt? And Brian's like no, Like he's

590
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: so weird, Like why would he at a law He's

591
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 4: so weird. I'm that turtle neck he's wearing like a

592
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 4: sleep it's for the you know visual. I think it's

593
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 4: like a short sleeve. It was weird turtleneck on a

594
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 4: man at eleven thirty right right. So I, of course

595
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 4: I had to figure out where this the stop happened.

596
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 4: And it happened right in front of the In one

597
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 4: of the frames of the video you can see a

598
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 4: Best Western plus in the back round. So I went

599
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 4: into Google Maps and found where the stop happened. We

600
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 4: knew where it happened, but I wanted to know exactly

601
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 4: where it was, you know, And it happens right before

602
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 4: the stop light there.

603
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: And there's no.

604
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 4: Viable reason for him to have been at that intersection

605
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 4: unless he was driving by that house.

606
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: In my opinion, well he was, I mean how many times?

607
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was twenty three times, all late at night

608
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 4: and early in the morning.

609
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, well I can't remember. He was forever looking

610
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: at a star gaze. What was he start looking at

611
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: the starry staring so but again twenty three times being

612
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: pinged in and around the area. That house was in

613
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: a very obscure location. Not really obscure, I shouldn't say that,

614
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: but it's more of a cult to sact like you

615
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: have to be extremely intentional to drive to that house,

616
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: and there were like it's very very close to fraternity

617
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: houses and off campus housing. So it is pretty wild,

618
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: even back to our original caller, for him to think

619
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: nobody would hear anything because you know, you don't really

620
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: seeing the photographs. Is that the houses are very close

621
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: together and this house is very small. Yes, it's a

622
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: lowed area because there's you know, frat houses and all

623
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: the reveli in front of you know, college life. But

624
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 2: the idea that this guy thought he was going to

625
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: swoop in there undetected is pretty astounding and also the

626
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 2: fact that there is no obvious known connection is really

627
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: the icing on the cake.

628
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 4: Kite, and that goes back to our talk back. She

629
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 4: wanted to know why did he target these victims exactly,

630
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 4: and honestly, I don't know that.

631
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. It might be random, it might be random.

632
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 4: And that's kind of what the state has been saying

633
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 4: since the GAG's been lifted, right, that there was no connection.

634
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: Go ahead, the one connection. I don't know why I

635
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 2: raised my hand, Are you okay? I raised my hands, yeah, exactly,

636
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: the concussions real. But they did say that he, you know,

637
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: he had those photographs of women in bathing suits that

638
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: were friends with the victims, so that is a bit

639
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: of a connection. So, you know, the speculation has been

640
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 2: that he was at a party, at that infamous pool

641
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: party where he was partying a total weirdo July ninth,

642
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: July ninth, and the first day he shows up at

643
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: the house, stumbled home following one of them, either a

644
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 2: group of them or one of them or maybe that's

645
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: what led them led him to that particular house. Right.

646
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 4: One other piece of news in Brian Coberger, I signed

647
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 4: up for Vinelink a long time ago to get notified

648
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 4: about Brian Coberger's movements through the penal system. And I

649
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 4: got a text today around noon and it said that

650
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 4: he had been moved and I was like, what the heck?

651
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Speaker 4: So I went looked him up and he's been housed

652
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 4: in Unit J at this facility he's at. So I

653
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god. And I looked at Chad Daybell.

654
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 4: He's in the same unit as Chad Daybell. I mean,

655
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 4: come on, and if you don't know who Chad day

656
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 4: Bell is, go ahead, body, do you want to give

657
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 4: it to us. Chad Daybell is the husband of Laurie

658
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: Valo Da Bell, and they were in this like religious

659
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 4: cult that believed her children were demons. Basically, I mean,

660
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 4: how do you explain this in like thirty seconds? It's

661
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 4: it's a killer kids.

662
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they killed kids.

663
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she kills wife possibly and his ex wife

664
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 4: and her and him and her husband. I mean it's

665
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 4: but to think of those two like maybe in the cafeteria.

666
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: Wicked cutting up some meat loaf. What are they talking about?

667
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 4: I mean, well, this must be a good unit though,

668
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 4: because if Gable's on death row mm hmm, so this

669
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 4: is not like.

670
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: A nice unit. To be in right, right, They're not

671
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: probably hanging out in the promissary anything soon. No, Wicked, Wicked, Wicked, Wicked.

672
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: So next segment, we're going to be talking a little

673
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 2: bit about Diddy. Oh, he is back and he has

674
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 2: tons of requests and he really does want to go

675
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: home until his October sentencing and he's putting real money

676
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 2: on the table, and we shall see what the judge says,

677
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: So more on that to come. Also, Courtney will be

678
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: filling us in on some new developments in this tragic

679
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: case at the Den where a husband and wife were

680
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 2: murdered while hiking with their two young children. Somebody has

681
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: been arrested, and we're going to be discussing this documentary

682
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: that everybody's talking about on Netflix, where is Amy Bradley

683
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: Cruise Ships. Yeah, seems very compelling, so we don't want

684
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: to spoil it for anybody. But body is starting this like,

685
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, like a viewing party, and I'm here

686
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: for it. So we're going to get our marching orders.

687
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: But first let's go to a talkback.

688
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 9: Hi, ladies, this is Lives in Washington calling back about BK.

689
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 9: I was listening to last night's episode and Joseph mentioned

690
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 9: that he wasn't sure why anybody would need to carry

691
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 9: a shovel in their car if they live in an apartment.

692
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: As someone who grew up in Michigan and.

693
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 9: Now lives in the Pacific Northwest, having things like a

694
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 9: shovel in your car, especially in November going all the

695
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 9: way into winter can be just something that you assume

696
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 9: that you do so that if your car ever gets

697
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 9: stuck in snow. I don't know what kind of shovely had,

698
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 9: and I don't want to give any passes, but there's

699
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 9: a good explanation for.

700
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 4: Sure, for sure, and that definitely was a consideration. My

701
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 4: understanding is that it was one of those pointed shovels,

702
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 4: like not like a snowshoevel, you know, like the snow shovels.

703
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: Are like flat, yeah, long, so much works shoveling out yeah,

704
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: oh my god, heavy to hear the summer. Kids enjoy

705
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: the summer. My understanding is that this shovel.

706
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 4: But you know, again, the information I have could be incorrect,

707
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 4: you know, just throwing it out there, But my understanding

708
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 4: is at the shovel that they used or that they

709
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 4: hadn't he had in his truck was kind of one

710
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 4: of those pointed like a spade spade Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

711
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: Well, even if that's the case, I don't know.

712
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 5: I'm a person who, you know, instead of a screwdriver,

713
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 5: I'll use a pen and from then on that pen

714
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 5: becomes my screwdriver for whatever it is.

715
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: And I don't know. It didn't seem that maybe I

716
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: stand alone and then I don't mind me. I just

717
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 2: threw a lamp at my head. We all have it

718
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 2: together very tightly on this show.

719
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 5: But I agree with what you said and that it

720
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 5: does make sense. And it was November and kind of

721
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 5: any port in the storm. Any shovel in your trunk?

722
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that the way a shovel in the trunk

723
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: is actually a very good safety tip. You're probably right

724
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: about that.

725
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm getting around a shovel. I don't know

726
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 4: what I would use it in a pinch shovel some sand.

727
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 4: Another safe thing to have in your car is a

728
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 4: seatbelt cutter.

729
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: I just got that. Did we talk about this, I

730
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: think we did. I'm kind of obsessed.

731
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 10: I was.

732
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 4: Per I told you guys, I got that pointy tool

733
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 4: that that will punch your window.

734
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got it. I got it. I ordered it. Yeah, okay,

735
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: mine has a compass and a fishing pole on it.

736
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: Why do you gotta really wait? I want the compass

737
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: in the fish.

738
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 4: Listen, if it's like the apocalypse or something or armageddon,

739
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 4: Am I really going to like skin a rabbit or like, no,

740
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 4: I'm not. I'm just going to die. So I don't

741
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 4: even know why about this thing? Well wait, look, you

742
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 4: know you never know is right, and it doesn't have

743
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 4: to be a rabbit. And by the way, you will

744
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 4: not die because I will have a.

745
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: Shovel in my trunk and will everybody out of it.

746
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 4: But I got this whole I got this whole prepper

747
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 4: bag ready. And my friend Joe, she's like, what are

748
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 4: you doing? You're not gonna like go fishing for real? Body, Like,

749
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 4: get real?

750
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: And I know you got a hair up with someone,

751
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And your neighbor barely stand

752
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 2: my own company, like you know what I mean? And

753
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: I and I live out here. There's no water, Like

754
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: what am I gonna do? Get some water? I would

755
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: start there. That's good for your prepper kit. And as

756
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: a friendly reminder to all my loved ones, make sure

757
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: you have some small dollar bills in your home, small

758
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 2: dollar bills and keep the gas in your tank. Don't

759
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 2: mess around with that. And listen, it's been at nights

760
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: and we still haven't even gotten to the fact that

761
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: Diddy is trying to get home while he awaits his

762
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: sentencing in October. Also, Epstein, there have been some you know,

763
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: new developments today basically saying that people really want to

764
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 2: see the grand jury filings and any of the information

765
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 2: that was shared by Gilane Maxwell to the Grand jury,

766
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,479
Speaker 2: which you know probably has some compelling information in it. Again,

767
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: our president says that he is hoping that files are

768
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: in fact released, assuming of course they're air quotes fair.

769
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 2: And I guess that's the question for the group or

770
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 2: for anyone who wants to join the conversation, what would

771
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: be fair and who sort of decides that eight eight

772
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: eight three one crime. We definitely want you to jump

773
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: in join the conversation. Leave us a message, leave us

774
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 2: a talkback on our iHeartRadio app, or you can always

775
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: hit us up on our socials. So also, this you know,

776
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: really big thing in this Netflix documentary body that we're

777
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 2: all going to be discussing this where Amy Bradley, you know, taha.

778
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: I already have our theories, which is, you know, interesting

779
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: considering I haven't watched ye watched that. There's so much

780
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: of chatter about it. It's hard to escape it. So

781
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: we need to jump into the combo. Pretty we know

782
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: we need to jump into the combo. But you know,

783
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 2: when you give their rules, tell everybody what there's rule

784
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 2: there are, it's your club. You're starting this viewing party when.

785
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to start this like community, my friendly

786
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 4: here's the thing. My friends and I get together and

787
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 4: we watched the documentary and we say, we're like, we

788
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 4: sit down, we okay, press play and we play. And

789
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 4: then when it's all done, we get online with one

790
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 4: another and we talk about what, you know, what we

791
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 4: just watched and what do you think about this?

792
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: I think about that. Okay, that's what we do.

793
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 4: And I thought it would be fun if we did

794
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 4: that here and enjoy, you know, had everybody do it

795
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 4: with us and they can leave us talkbacks and oh

796
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 4: did you guys see what err brother said? Anyway, Yes,

797
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 4: I watched episode one of Amy Bradley Is Missing, and

798
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 4: I was immediately hooked. Okay, I've already seen episode one

799
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 4: and I presented it that night on this show, and

800
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 4: I feel like it was a month ago, and I

801
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 4: was like, let's watch us together, and yes, Courtney the

802
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 4: cheater went and watched all of it.

803
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: It's that good. I got suber. I watched three. I

804
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: know I did. I got sucked in. I didn't mean to.

805
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 5: And I'll be honest, I think this is a little

806
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 5: of the Teacher's pet and me when I was like,

807
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 5: I'm going to do.

808
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: Extra works, I think that's the truth of as. I'm

809
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: the only one who hasn't watched yet. But listen, it's

810
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 2: not that I didn't tried last night. We all tried.

811
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: I just was so tired. I'm sorry, don't feel the

812
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 2: middle of a move, but I will. What is our deadline?

813
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: I want to st all have to watch. What we're

814
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: going to do is we're going to come up with

815
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: a cute name for it.

816
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 4: If you have an idea for me on the names,

817
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 4: give us a clue about eighty eight thirty one crime

818
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 4: or leave us a talkback. Was a suggestion something like

819
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 4: true crime documentary and pup meets the podcast and we're

820
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 4: going to like club it and talk about it. But

821
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 4: this one in particular, Amy Bradley is missing. Is so

822
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 4: interesting because her brother and family are so forthcoming with

823
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 4: tips that they've received throughout the years.

824
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: So it's a good case to like sleuth in And I.

825
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 4: Thought with me and i'm, you know, being on the show,

826
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 4: it might be a good lesson in sleuthing.

827
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: I love of it.

828
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 11: I want it.

829
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 4: So it's my deadline. We're going to start August first.

830
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 4: Well that's we're going to start the month of August

831
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 4: with it. Okay, So the first show in August. I'm

832
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 4: telling Taha right now, I'm looking at him.

833
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: Right in the eye. I'm writing it Sunday and I'm

834
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: not here Thursday and Sunday. Can we do Monday. We'll

835
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: start it Monday when you get back. But everyone should

836
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 2: at least watch it by this weekend.

837
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 4: And body, because you're talking so much about it, we've

838
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 4: already got like people interested.

839
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: We actually actually just got to talk back about it.

840
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 4: Oh good, Oh right, well, I got a couple of

841
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 4: emails to afford them. I afforded them to your game.

842
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 4: Everybody's texting about wanting to talk about it.

843
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: So well, everybody, if you want to play it, let's

844
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: play the talk back. Do we play the ammy Bradley

845
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: talk back.

846
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 12: Hi, ladies, this is Riley. I have a detail in

847
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 12: the Amy Bradley case that I did not see mentioned

848
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 12: on the documentary and I want to see what you

849
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 12: guys think. So the morning that Amy went missing, her

850
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 12: father is the first person to wake up in the

851
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 12: family and notice she's gone. He leaves the room to

852
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 12: go look for her. At this point, her mother and

853
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 12: brother are so sleep. There's no one else on the

854
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 12: ship allegedly that knows she's gone. Yellow the bass player

855
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 12: comes up to her father as he's looking and says,

856
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 12: I'm sorry to hear about your daughter.

857
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: This is a spoiler. Come on, Riley, you're jumping the

858
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: shark here, my Riley, listen. Everybody has to take it

859
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 2: down a notch. M Courtney, zip it till Monday. Okay,

860
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say thing. This is your thing.

861
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: I've only given ever to give us a second to

862
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: watch at least watch episode one by Monday. Okay, done.

863
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: Everybody here, everybody's listening. Everybody gets it, and we all

864
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 2: have our assignments, and once you've watched, you'll lose your mind.

865
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Speaker 5: I actually want to keep this talk back and play

866
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 5: it again because.

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Speaker 2: I am first, by the way, Courtney is wearing a

868
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 2: weighted vest right now, and it's so satisfying. I had

869
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: a pack mine, but it really works. I helped. I

870
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: love it with my shoulders back. Yeah, I just help

871
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: with the posture. I yes that because I'm lunch back.

872
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: I know, I know, because we're sitting too much. We

873
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: should all be standing, everybody jumping jacks, all of us.

874
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: So back to Epstein for one quick second. I know

875
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: there's a ton of new developments, but it does seem

876
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: like it's heating up still on all sides and not

877
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 2: really settling down. Any of you guys have an opinion

878
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 2: on that. Do we think Elain Maxwell is going to

879
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: be set free? I guess that's the burning question. If

880
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: anybody wants to jump in and give their opinion, eight eight,

881
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: eight to three one crime. My opinion is that not

882
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 2: the mind counts. But I would think in the coming

883
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: days we're gonna there's going to be some action. I

884
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 2: don't come one way or the other.

885
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 5: I think that unless something really changes, that she and

886
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 5: her legal representation are stipulating far too many demands, you

887
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 5: think for.

888
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: A pedophile to be asking for telling on.

889
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 5: The unity and saying let's do it where I want

890
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 5: to do it, not where I am. And you need

891
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 5: to give me all of the questions in advance. So

892
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 5: questions in advance, Elaine Maxwell, I mean, what kind of

893
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 5: questioning is that?

894
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: If you get them in advance and can like form

895
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: your answers in a thoughtful manner, that doesn't seem authentic

896
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: and truthful. Why would you need that? That's right, that's

897
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 2: a good question.

898
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 5: So I don't I think it might stop there again

899
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 5: unless somethings shifted.

900
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: But you know, the demands were denied. We should make

901
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: sure she's on the lie detector test with a gentleman

902
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: that was here who also put Gary Coleman's wife to task.

903
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: Maybe we can get Elaine Maxwell to succumb to a

904
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: live test test. Yes, you know, it's a loud and

905
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: clear listen if you've got nothing to hide. But it

906
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 2: does buy me out that, you know, a convicted sex

907
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: trafficker who is you know, charged with luring women into

908
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: really hideous circumstances, is trying to set the tone, and

909
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 2: I hope immunity is not on the is.

910
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Speaker 4: Not allowed, I should say, I mean neither. You're listening

911
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 4: to true crime tonight where we talk true crime all

912
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Speaker 4: the time. I'm Boddy Movin and I'm here with Courtney

913
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 4: Armstrong and Stephanie Lyideker and we're going to begin going

914
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 4: into some headlines. If you want to give us a

915
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 4: call at eighty eight thirty one Crime or use a

916
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 4: talkback on the iHeartRadio app, just click on the microphone

917
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 4: in the top corner and you wilcord a little voicemail

918
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 4: and we'll get it right away.

919
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: Courtney, what do you got? Okay? This is the latest.

920
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 5: This happened while we've been on air in the Devil's

921
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 5: Den Doubles stabbing and a twenty eight year old man,

922
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 5: she's from Arkansas, was arrested just recently for killing the

923
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 5: married couple in front of their children. This is the

924
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 5: couple who again was at Devil's Den State Park over

925
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Speaker 5: the weekend. And the man who's been arrested. His name

926
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Speaker 5: is James Andrew McGann and he is from Springdale, Arkansas.

927
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Speaker 5: He has been charged with two counts of capital murder.

928
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Speaker 5: There has been no possible motive mentioned. And Mike Hager,

929
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Speaker 5: who is the director of the Arkansas State Police, he

930
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 5: thanks state police for working long hours in the search

931
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Speaker 5: for a suspect. He also thanked the federal agencies for

932
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Speaker 5: their assistance. So again this was really all hands on

933
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Speaker 5: deck and assuming the right man's in custody, no reason

934
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Speaker 5: not too Yeah, hats off.

935
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Speaker 2: And also it made all of.

936
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Speaker 5: Us over the break kind of send another round of

937
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 5: good wishes to all those absolute heroes who have been

938
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 5: looking for Travis Decker.

939
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: The other manhunt that has been going on in.

940
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Speaker 5: The Northeast for the man suspected Northwes. Excuse me, excuse me,

941
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 5: thank you for that suspected for killing his three girls

942
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 5: under ten.

943
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Speaker 2: But in any case, this man hunt is over. At

944
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: Devil's Den. Oh so relieved. I'm so so relieved.

945
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Speaker 4: And they, I mean, the family must be just so

946
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 4: relieved to because you don't know, like, is he going

947
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 4: to be coming after the kids because they saw him,

948
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 4: Like I'm I didn't want to say that earlier, but

949
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 4: that was what I was thinking. I was like, oh

950
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 4: my god, this guy's on the least kids saw him.

951
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you know, so did he?

952
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 5: Absolutely? Yeah, Diddy, Stephanie just perked up Sean Diddy Combs.

953
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Speaker 5: He has made a new bail motion and he is

954
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Speaker 5: requesting release on fifty million dollars bond and here this

955
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Speaker 5: fifty million dollars Still.

956
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 2: Wow, does did he have all this money? Rock baby?

957
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: And what Shawn John? The brand? Wasn't that like a that? Yeah,

958
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: A lot of very long tillion dollars worth of people

959
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: buy it, I guess, I mean, how how do people

960
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 2: make this kind of money? But this has gotten me enraged.

961
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 5: The argument is that he was quote provoked into violence

962
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Speaker 5: by Jane, the victim who testified on her harrowing account.

963
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 5: So he's saying that he deserves this bail because of

964
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 5: the provocation. For anyone who doesn't remember, early in July,

965
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 5: Colmes was acquitted of sex trafficking and recketeering charges. He

966
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Speaker 5: was found guilty on two counts of transportation for prostitution,

967
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 5: and he was denied bail because the judge, I feel

968
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 5: correctly cited evidence of domestic violence, witnessed hampering, and community

969
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 5: danger for goodness akes.

970
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 13: So in the motion yeah with him grow away to

971
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 13: key absolutely, and you know, specifically in the defense's motion

972
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 13: they acknowledge, yes, he has been violent with Jane in

973
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Speaker 13: twenty twenty four, but the provocation was quote through her

974
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 13: own acts of violence and during the trial Jane had

975
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 13: testified that she once pushed Colmbs into a counter, which

976
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 13: prompted him to then punch, kick, and choke her.

977
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 5: So he is also a man who has been alleged

978
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 5: to have beaten and we have seen with our own

979
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 5: eye he has beaten people.

980
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 2: I want to get to the Siah thing too real

981
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 2: quickly before we move on. He was a profit sharer

982
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: partner is how it's described, and that means he basically

983
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 2: gets half of us sales. But he is not an

984
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: equity owner. So again, and just fifteen million dollars, how

985
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: does he have that much money? I mean, he's spent

986
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: exceptional amounts of money on even just this defense. You

987
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 2: own all of those houses that are sitting there. But

988
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 2: wasn't he pretty fine? So yes, of course it was

989
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 2: all of these things. It's a lot of money. He's

990
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: making a lot of money left and right and left

991
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: and paying this one off and paying that one off.

992
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: I want to know where his money comes from. And

993
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: I also want to know where Epstein's money came from.

994
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: He's a financier from what, from where? Who paid? Or

995
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: to fristers? He worked but for like a day based

996
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,959
Speaker 2: on no real He had no education.

997
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 10: For it.

998
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 2: He just like did, but like who financed him? I

999
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 2: would like to know, you would know the answer. It

1000
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: was a call in a three one crime.

1001
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 5: There's one final detail that was kind of interesting in Diddy,

1002
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 5: and that's the fact that Maureen Comy, who was lead

1003
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 5: prosecutor in the trial, she was very unexpectedly removed from

1004
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 5: the trial post verdict.

1005
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we know, and that was pretty, you know,

1006
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 2: exceptionally strained because you'll remember Maureen Comy is the daughter

1007
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 2: of Comy, Yeah, exactly, James Comy, who famously, you know,

1008
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 2: spoke just before the Hillary Clinton Trump election, right, so

1009
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: when they were going head to head and kind of

1010
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: brought the emails to attention, and so there's some legacy there.

1011
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: She did that case and also she tried the Epstein

1012
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: case or the Gilise Maxwell case. I should say, y,

1013
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 2: that's right. It was super fun last night. So we

1014
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: want a little bit more talk back Roulette tonight. Epstein,

1015
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: We're going to do a little talking about that. Also,

1016
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about body language in this Brian

1017
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 2: Coburger bodycam information too, because there has been some new

1018
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 2: stuff on that as well. Everyone says he's so blank,

1019
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: but in reality, a body language expert claims that he

1020
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 2: was very fidgety and during these you know, testimony or

1021
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: witness statements, I not witness statements, family statements that you know,

1022
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 2: there were some real tells about his inside rage. But

1023
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 2: first let's go to a talk back.

1024
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 11: Good morning, ladies. Well it's morning for me, it's probably

1025
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 11: evening for you. This is Stephanie M from Pennsylvania. And

1026
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 11: in regards to the New York shooter, you mentioned that

1027
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 11: there he purchased his gun in Nevada.

1028
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,439
Speaker 2: How did he get to New York? Did he fly?

1029
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 2: And if so, how did he manage to get his

1030
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: gun on the plane. That's a great question. How did

1031
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: he get his gun on?

1032
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 5: Well?

1033
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,479
Speaker 2: I guess he drove. He drove, that's right, Yes, he drove.

1034
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 2: He drove. That's how he got to New York. Forever

1035
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: driving this one.

1036
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, well otherwise that would have been a very

1037
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 5: because how you get a three foot what is it rifle.

1038
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: On a plane would be crazy, super disconcerting.

1039
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 4: Well, speaking of guns and Nevada, yes, you know there

1040
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 4: Monday there were two mass shootings that we know about.

1041
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 4: One was in New York, which we've covered, and the

1042
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 4: other one was here in Nevada. Up in Reno Monday,

1043
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 4: a gunman opened fire outside the Grand Sier Resort. I've

1044
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 4: actually stayed there Lovely Casino, killing three people and wounding

1045
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 4: three others, including a police officer who was injured by

1046
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 4: glass fragments. The suspect, who was armed with multiple magazines,

1047
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 4: was shot by police and is hospitalized in critical condition.

1048
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 4: Authorities responded within minutes. I mean, these the cops list

1049
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 4: in casinos.

1050
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 2: Or full wraps. Well, we give them fre food, so

1051
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: they're always at the casino.

1052
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 4: Like they know if they are wearing their uniform and

1053
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 4: they go into a casino, they're going to be able

1054
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 4: to eat for free.

1055
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: Wow, so's every where. I didn't really everywhere I've worked,

1056
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 2: and I've worked in casinos for thirty years. Interesting. Yeah,

1057
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 2: you know.

1058
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 4: So authorities responded within minutes, preventing the shooter from entering

1059
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 4: the casino. This all happened out like at the valet

1060
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 4: porta cachet, you know where you drop your This all

1061
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 4: happened out there.

1062
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:17,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1063
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 4: The suspect hasn't been identified as Dakota alver, a twenty

1064
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 4: six year old Renal resident who is currently in critical condition.

1065
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 4: It occurred Monday morning, like I said, three people were killed,

1066
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 4: three others were wounded. He had multiple magazines and a

1067
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 4: handgun that initially malfunctioned. He opened fire in the Valet area,

1068
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 4: targeting people at random. He just was kind of like

1069
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 4: shooting at random people. He fled, exchanged fire with casino security,

1070
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 4: and fatally shot a person driving through the parking lot.

1071
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

1072
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 4: Imagine you're like, I'm gonna go play Bingo and you're gonna,

1073
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 4: you know, you go to your favorite little casino and

1074
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 4: you're driving, you just get shots.

1075
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Speaker 2: Terrible, just awful.

1076
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 4: He also fired at police, striking a patrol vehicle before

1077
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 4: being critically injured by an officer's return fire. Reno police responded,

1078
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 4: aided by you know, they a nearby fire station came through.

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Speaker 4: No casino employees were hurt, and the motive remains unknown.

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Speaker 4: The Sparks Police Department is leading both the shooting and

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Speaker 4: the officer involved investigation. Sparks is like a little suburb

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00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 4: of Reno. So yeah, it's just like one thing after another.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's so wild. You know, I work at

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00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 4: a casino. I work in an office, but I walked

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00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 4: out of my office and you know, we have like

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00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 4: an administrative assistant there, and I'm like, oh my god,

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00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 4: a shooting just happened in casine at a casino in Reno,

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Speaker 4: and you know, I work at a casino, so it's like,

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Speaker 4: oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: And she goes really and it was like nothing, Like we.

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00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 4: Have become so used to this that it's almost not

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00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 4: breaking news or you know, like shocking information. Another mass

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Speaker 4: shooting and then what two hours later, the New York

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00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 4: story broke. It's just been it's just wild times that

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00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,479
Speaker 4: we're living in. So the victims, there's three, of course,

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Speaker 4: three people that have been fatally wounded. One of the

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Speaker 4: victims has been identified as thirty three year old Andrew

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Speaker 4: Kannapa of Newberry Park. Jeff Quarrel, who's on the Ventura

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Speaker 4: County Board of Supervisors, said Andrew was a co owner

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Speaker 4: of the Side Street Cafe in Newberry Park. Andrew was

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00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 4: a kind soul, of course, a dedicated business owner and

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Speaker 4: a loving father, like he's got a little boy and

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00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 4: now he's gone. Our thoughts and prayers are with him

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00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 4: and his family and friends and the Side Street Cafe community.

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00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 4: During this incredibly difficult time. We were missing his warm

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Speaker 4: presence at the restaurant and are deeply saddened by his

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Speaker 4: loss another victim. No other info is available yet on

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Speaker 4: these justin Aguilla. I hope I'm saying that right, a

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00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 4: southern California resident. He was thirty three years old. He

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Speaker 4: and Canepa were in town for a bachelor party.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, you go to just a little bit

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00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 5: and this it's so senseless and the randomness.

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Speaker 14: Right.

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00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 4: And then the other is Angel Martinez, a Reno resident

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Speaker 4: sixty six years old.

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Speaker 2: So two young men and an older gentleman. It's just

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00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 2: really sad. Enough is enough?

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00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 14: I know?

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00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 2: I mean, what are we gonna do?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: We got to talk to Jessica about this. Oh yes,

1122
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 2: I was so happy to have her last night. Jessica

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00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 2: chaplain cap or licensed therapist will be joining us again

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00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 2: to give us some inside info about how to sort

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00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: of cope with some of his info.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, terrible stuff, and what like what is the answer

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00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 4: to the solution this problem?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 12: What is this?

1130
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: What is the answer or what cause they all do?

1131
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: Even just a month as a community listening? Now, like,

1132
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 2: how do we how do we make them work a

1133
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 2: little bit better?

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Speaker 8: Right?

1135
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 2: So how do we make it better? I wish we

1136
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: knew the answer in this exact moment, but open to

1137
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 2: suggestions for sure. Yeah. Amen, Well, listen, this is true

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00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 2: crime tonight.

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00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 5: We're talking about everything that's going on in the world

1140
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 5: and some of it, you know, a lot of it

1141
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 5: is very sad, and within these sad stories are also

1142
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 5: heroes within, including even in Reno, it was two point

1143
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 5: five minutes before the police were there, so that is something.

1144
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 5: I mean, any loss of life is too horrible to

1145
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 5: conceive of, but think of what could have been should

1146
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 5: police not have gotten there as they did.

1147
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 2: So that's out. You know, hats off to law enforcement

1148
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: in general. If you are, you know, at a restaurant.

1149
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 2: I love this thing that Las Vegas is doing that.

1150
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: If you see an officer or somebody in the military

1151
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 2: who's supporting our country, or a firefighter who's volunteering their

1152
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 2: time to fight fires and keep us safe, absolutely make

1153
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: sure they get a free meal and a high five.

1154
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: And you know that is a thankless part. I should say.

1155
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Speaker 4: I don't know that all casinos do it, but every

1156
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 4: casino I've been at, I think it's just a case

1157
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 4: like thing.

1158
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 5: I love it.

1159
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: When they get on the plane, everybody clap, Oh your service,

1160
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 2: Like I think everybody should always do that. And listen.

1161
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 2: If you're at the restaurant or the bar and you

1162
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 2: see somebody who is you know, protecting us, yeah, buy

1163
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 2: him a cup of coffee. Absolutely. I was gonna say

1164
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 2: buy him a drink, but that wouldn't be effective. Probably,

1165
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 2: I don't do that so much. Well on, yeah, but yeah,

1166
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 2: you listen. You know, we'd love to hear we'd love

1167
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: to hear some good news stories.

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01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 5: What's the use in your neighborhood eight A eight three

1169
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 5: one crime? And we want to you know, who are

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01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 5: your local heroes. We would actually love to spotlight.

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Speaker 2: Them very much. So I was in a meeting today too,

1172
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 2: and somebody had like an incident. A man just like

1173
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 2: fell to the ground and was convulsing, and it was

1174
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 2: very very scary, and right in front of the department

1175
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, literally right next table next to me, and yeah,

1176
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 2: law not law enforcement, it was really firefighters were there instantly,

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01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 2: and you know he seemed to leave LA traffic, yeah, breathing,

1178
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: so you know, hat's off. We all said the same

1179
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,439
Speaker 2: thing like, thank god, you know, that was a really

1180
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 2: fast response and you know, hopefully he is doing very

1181
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 2: well and wishing them. Well, I wouldn't mind getting back

1182
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 2: to the coburger body language expert too. Whenever you guys want,

1183
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: you want to talk, I'm here. I am sad. So

1184
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 2: there has been like these reports about his microaggressions. We

1185
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 2: talked about it a little bit when he was in court,

1186
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: you know, basically saying he's guilty of murdering for incredible

1187
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 2: Idaho students, that he had this very detached affect, and

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01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: as well as his sentence. When he had his sentencing

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01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 2: there he stood as family members, surviving, roommates, friends, they

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01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 2: all stood up and gave their victim impact speech, you

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01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 2: know speeches, and I thought they were incredible. And yeah,

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01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 2: now body language experts are coming out to say that

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01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 2: it did, in fact look like he had these micro

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01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 2: ragy moments during a lot of the key ones that

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01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: we spoke about here that we all identified and including

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01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 2: the audience, like you guys called in and kind of

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01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 2: nailed it, because yes, it seemed like, according to the pros,

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Speaker 2: under the surface, he was seething. Maybe when Kaylie Gonzalez,

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Speaker 2: his sister, was telling him sit up in that chair,

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Speaker 2: you know, she was super like intense and really knew

1201
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 2: how to face off with a narcissist.

1202
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 4: So he's as she was speaking, he's like tightening his jaw,

1203
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 4: his jaw exactly, and he was like blinking a lot.

1204
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 2: Like Yes, it was different. So true, it was different

1205
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 2: than it was for other people.

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01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 4: Right, Like when Steve Gonsalvez turned the courtroom podium to

1207
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 4: face Frankoberger, he leaned back in his chair and showed

1208
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 4: like a full body retreat reaction. This is according to

1209
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 4: the body language expert, and indicative of shock or discomfort,

1210
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 4: which I thought was really really interesting, because man, that

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01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 4: was that was a power most that you and made.

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01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 2: Somebody made a TikTok you know.

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01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 4: That one song I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm

1214
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 4: a man. That one can't Okay, well, somebody playing, I'll

1215
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 4: send it to No, it's a.

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01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 2: That's I feel like a woman. Lamp.

1217
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 4: Okay, where's the lamp that hit her in the head? Okay,

1218
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 4: what is happening?

1219
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 2: Chandelier just fell in my head?

1220
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 4: No, So anyway, somebody made a video and posted a

1221
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 4: stifftok of him, you know, walking up to the podium

1222
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 4: and turning it, and they posted it.

1223
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Speaker 2: They loved it. They posted it to their family page. Today.

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Speaker 2: They said they loved it. Okay, oh, I love that

1225
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 2: because listen, that was a power move and I think

1226
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 2: it real master class. We should start to have them

1227
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: on to discuss sort of the behind the scenes because

1228
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Speaker 2: you know full well that that took a lot of thought.

1229
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 2: It was very coordinated. It was I love the practiced,

1230
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 2: I would assume, and a real master class on how

1231
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 2: to deal with a complete psycho. So yeah, and it

1232
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: turns out the experts agree. Yeah, and some other body

1233
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: language experts. There's been sort of several sources we've been reading.

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Speaker 2: And as he ended the courtroom, murderer b K was

1235
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Speaker 2: the per the language experts. His gaze was described as

1236
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 2: manic and intentionally stiff to control the courtroom's impression of him.

1237
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 2: So it was control. It was a mask. Yeah, yeah,

1238
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 2: it's a mask. It was described as like this mask

1239
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: of indifference. And listen, we're going to do some more talkbacks,

1240
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 2: so make sure you join us eight eight eight to

1241
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 2: three to one crime, leave us a message or leave

1242
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 2: us a talkback on our iHeart app. Let's go to one.

1243
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 10: Now, Hi, ladies, this is Sarah from Michigan and I

1244
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 10: was just wondering I have never watched donuf with cats

1245
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 10: because honestly, I've always been scared because I'm really sensitive

1246
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 10: to animal abuse and stuff like that. So I was wondering,

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01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 10: kind of what is body's guide for how I should

1248
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 10: go about watching it without I don't know, is there anything.

1249
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 2: Really graphic or bad?

1250
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 10: Are there warnings?

1251
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 2: Help me out? I want to watch it very smart,

1252
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 2: really smart?

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01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 4: Thank you you know, Sarah, I am too. I'm really sensitive,

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Speaker 4: And to be honest with you, I had never watched

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01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 4: the videos that I that are you know that you're

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01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 4: talking about, prior to the documentary. So there's three videos

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Speaker 4: that Luca McNaught am made of himself killing cats, and

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01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 4: I never watched a single one. I dumped them to

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01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 4: images so that I could I didn't have to watch it,

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01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 4: and then I would close my eyes and I would

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01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 4: listen to it. So I never watched it either until

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01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 4: the documentary. The director talked me into to watching it

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Speaker 4: for the documentary and he said it would be really

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01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 4: important because he wanted me to describe what was happening

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01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 4: because we don't actually show the videos or the act

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01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 4: of him killing the cats, but we do show like

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01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 4: the opening scenes, and that can be distressing to anybody

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01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 4: because you know that those little, precious baby cats are

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01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 4: going to be killed. So I'm going to give you

1270
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Speaker 4: get a piece of paper. It's episode one only, and

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01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 4: it's at six forty five, six minutes and forty five seconds.

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01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 4: You're going to see me in the chair, grab a

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01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 4: laptop and bring it up to sit on my lap.

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01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 4: That's when you want to fast forward about a minute.

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01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 4: So six forty five, fifty three, fifty and fifty four

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Speaker 4: forty four that's it. Everything else now listen. Also even

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Speaker 4: more traumatic. I do describe the video of Luca Magnata

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01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 4: murdering Junlin, so if that's also a very sensitive, very sensitive,

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01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 4: but you can also skip that. I don't have those

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01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 4: time filted handy, but I do have the cat one

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01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 4: handy because I get us at all the time.

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Speaker 2: It's such a good documentary, and there is I do

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01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 2: wish the first little section it just seems scary, But

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01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 2: other than that, it's just it's part of it. You

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01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 2: have to be a little enraged to really invest in

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01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 2: making sure this person is brought to justice. But that's

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01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 2: a great question.

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01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 4: Qu watch something I get asked all the time, And

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01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 4: you guys know the Netflix, you know how now they

1290
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 4: have like those little things up in the corner, like

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01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 4: warning strong language or whatever.

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Speaker 2: It's because we don't have with cats.

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01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, because people were like they didn't know what they

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01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 4: were turning on and there was no warning, you know,

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01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 4: so they were like, what the heck you know, and

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01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 4: they were like, so now Netflix does that because of me.

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01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: Now I almost feel like there are so many trigger

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01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 2: alerts that I'm desensitized to them and then I get

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01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 2: like triggered. Oh God, buy me. But they did, you know,

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01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 2: they do give the trigger alert, which I think is great.

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Speaker 4: But thank you Sarah for the talkback. Keep them coming.

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01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 4: We definitely come on, Sarah. We love these talkbacks because

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01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 4: I feel like we're really talking to people and that's

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01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 4: how you really do.

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Speaker 2: Bring it, bring it, bring it to another one.

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Speaker 14: Okay, this is still again from Tampa. I love the

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01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 14: addition of Taha by the way, and Accortney, you nailed

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01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 14: it the dentist. Regarding dentists, do you guys know about

1309
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 14: the case of Larry Rudo. There is a new.

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01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 2: Hulu docuseries about it. It's called a Trophy Wife.

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01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 14: He and his wife went a Safari and she was murdered.

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01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 14: I cannot even believe the similarities between these genists, these

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01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:13,879
Speaker 14: dopey dentists.

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01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 4: No, I never it's on Hulu. Now, maybe we need

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01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 4: to add that very last a minute club.

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01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 2: I'm very excited to hear about that. I have never

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01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 2: heard of since. Yeah, I didn't know it. So, wow,

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01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 2: you have stumped all three of us. If that was

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01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 2: a game.

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01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 4: You know what, I think Hulu gets a bad rap.

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01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 4: I don't ever watch Ulu. Take that great stuff with me.

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01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: I meant, I don't know. I don't ever pay paying

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01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 2: for it. I'd just never watch it. Oh, they have

1324
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: good stuff, you should say, they do have good stuff. Yeah,

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01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 2: they have a lot of good crime stuff especially, so

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01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,759
Speaker 2: that's kind of that's pretty kind of juicy stuff.

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01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 5: Do you want actually, do you want to peek into me?

1328
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 5: I just looked at I said, what do I watch

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01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 5: on Hulu? And these are my continue watchings?

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01:09:59,040 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 2: Well we should all do that.

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01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 5: Oh crazier do that below deck the movie Casino, Secret

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01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 5: Lives of Mormon Wives and The Victorious Secret Angels and Demons.

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01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 2: Those are the top things. But I was actually pretty good.

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01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,560
Speaker 2: The Victoria's Secret one was pretty good. It really was.

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01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting. Also a little tangential but

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01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 2: worth a watch. Wow, can I tell you kind of

1337
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 2: like a sappy story?

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01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 12: Yes?

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01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 2: Please do.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So my mom passed away right after my documentary

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01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 4: came out and in twenty and it was she died

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01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, but it was like a few months

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Speaker 4: after my documentary came out, and a few like last year.

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Speaker 4: I think I never deleted her profile out of my Netflix.

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01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 4: She lived with me and I took care of her,

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01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 4: so she had a profile under my Netflix account. Well,

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01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 4: I've never deleted it. So I went into it and

1348
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:54,719
Speaker 4: the last thing she was watching was me. Oh, because

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01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 4: I said, continue watching this.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, she is sweety. This we talked about. Yes,

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01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 2: she's so incredibly proud of you, and yeah, we're all

1352
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 2: sorry for the loss.

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Speaker 4: That's her dog in the background, by the way, Okay,

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Speaker 4: that's her saying hello, Yogi is my mom's dog. Yes,

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Speaker 4: And when she passed away, I took care I started

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Speaker 4: taking care of him. So when he barks, that's her. Yeah,

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01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 4: but that was a cute Continue watching my word, isn't

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01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 4: it sweet?

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01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 2: Though? Yes, it's unsurprising. Yea, yeah, she would be very

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01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 2: she is very proud of you. I should say, I know,

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01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 2: watching over, watching over you for sure? AnyWho, what's next?

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Speaker 4: You're listening to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're telling

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01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 4: sappy stories and I'm body moving and I'm here with

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01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 4: Courtney Armstrong and Stephanie Lydecker and we're going through some talkbacks.

1365
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 4: If you want to weigh in and leave us one,

1366
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 4: we would love it. Use the iHeart Radio and just

1367
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,560
Speaker 4: click the little microphone up at the top right of

1368
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 4: the screen and you'll be on the air with us.

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Speaker 2: Can we hear another one?

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Speaker 8: Hey, guys, I have a quick question for you ladies

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Speaker 8: as well.

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Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 12: I'm really interested to see your guys off on this question,

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01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 12: and I know it's one we may never.

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Speaker 4: Have any answer to.

1376
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 2: But do you guys think that Bkay.

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01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 12: Took the plea deal out of fear of the death

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01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 12: penalty or his one final attempt to morment the victims?

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Speaker 3: Fancy?

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Speaker 8: I really don't know, but I just want to see

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Speaker 8: what you guys think.

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01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 10: A good night, Thank y'all.

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01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 2: That one was a little hard to hear.

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01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I got it, and she was also asking

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01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 5: The caller mentioned Joseph Scott Morgan, who joins us very

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01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 5: often on Sundays. He's our beloved and unbelievably well versed

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Speaker 5: forensic experts. So she had asked what we and Joseph

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Speaker 5: Scott Morgan, he's not with us night. Do we think

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Speaker 5: that b Kay took the plea deal because he wanted

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01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:48,719
Speaker 5: to be spared the death penalty or to torment the families?

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Speaker 2: I totally have a strong opinion about this, but I

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01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 2: don't think he gives a rat, you know what about

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01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:59,759
Speaker 2: the families. He cares solely about himself. He cares solely

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01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 2: about dying and being killed by a firing squad, and

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Speaker 2: he was sparing himself death row. And I think that

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Speaker 2: is as deep as it goes and back. In fact,

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Speaker 2: I think he actually likes the attention that he gets

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Speaker 2: from family members, et cetera. So I actually think it

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01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 2: was just, of course, to spare himself. And somewhere deep

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01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 2: in my heart, I want to believe that maybe he

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01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 2: was trying to spare his own mother or his sisters

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01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 2: from having to testify against him, because that's what would

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01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 2: have happened. We do know that the day before his sentencing,

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01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 2: his mother and sister went and visited him and spent

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01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 2: a lot of time with him, and there have been

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01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 2: reports from his previous you know, cellmates, like in the

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01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 2: area when he was being kept prior to sentencing that

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01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 2: a he was super annoying, but also that he was

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01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 2: talking on the phone with his mom all the time,

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01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 2: forever on the phone with his mother, and you know

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01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 2: what I feel for her. But at the same time,

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01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 2: you know those victims, they have the Chapins and the

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01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 2: Gonzalvez family and the Mogan family and the Kunodle family

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01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 2: that don't get that same luxury. Why does he have

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01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 2: the phone so much? Hate that phone?

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01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 4: A way, the inmate that told the press that he

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01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,560
Speaker 4: was super annoying also said that Coburger got really irritated

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Speaker 4: with him.

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01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 2: Did you on the mom? He was defensive of the

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01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 2: mom only he was on the phone with his mom.

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01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 4: Brian Coberger was bk FBK and the inmate was watching

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Speaker 4: TV and he was like yelling at the TV like

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Speaker 4: maybe a sports was on. I can't remember what, but

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01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 4: he said something like shut up to the TV. And

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01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 4: Brian Coberger got off the phone and went over and

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01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 4: stuck his head through the bars and said, are you talking?

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01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 2: Why are you telling her to shut up, or something

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01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 2: about his mom, like he was being super defensive about

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01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 2: his mom has a little like psycho Norman Bates thing

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01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 2: going on there and that dynamic. Not that she's a psycho,

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01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 2: because I we're all told that she's lovely, but yeah,

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01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 2: so like that would imply that he has some connective

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Speaker 2: tissue to his family. But I don't think that's why

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01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 2: he confessed. I think he is a self serving joke

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01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 2: and he wants to just sort of get one.

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Speaker 4: Let's stop saying he confessed, because he didn't. All he

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Speaker 4: did was plead guilty.

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Speaker 2: There's such a good point, right, and I take that back,

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01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 2: and that is such a good point. But it's not

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Speaker 2: just you. But it's so true because he didn't confess anything.

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01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 2: He was just like, actually, I respectfully decline, Yeah, you

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01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 2: respectfully decline. What is respectful about declining the key information

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01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 2: that may bring some peace to family members whose lives

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01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 2: you've destroyed, and you're gonna respectfully decline. I would have

1445
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 2: hauled up. I don't know what I would have done.

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01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 2: And I think they all handled themselves with such grace.

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01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 2: They really did, and I couldn't do it. I don't know.

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01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what I would do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I actually disagree that. I don't even think

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01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 5: he did it to spare his own life. If I

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01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 5: actually do think, in his sadistic nature, he just wanted

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01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 5: to spread more torment.

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01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 2: Oh do you really? I do one more torment might

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01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 2: have been having to face the music at trial too,

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01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 2: which you know, with his weird affect, sitting there all day,

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01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,639
Speaker 2: all night, watching forensics and watching his mother crying and sobbing,

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01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 2: and watching victims' families give him the evil eye and

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01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 2: you know, kind of make him scared. We see that

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01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 2: all the time. Everyone's a big man when they're going

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01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 2: to go kill a bunch of people, but when it

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Speaker 2: comes time to actually face the people whose lives you've destroyed,

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Speaker 2: they're like, I'll take a plea deal. Actually, I wasn't

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Speaker 2: as not guilty as I originally discussed. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: like cowardly. So this totally tracks. This was not a man.

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Speaker 2: This was a coward, and he took a cowardly way

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Speaker 2: out till the bitter end. I hope his transition in

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Speaker 2: prison is really tough right now. And I was with

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Speaker 2: Chad day Bones, I mean, two super villains side by side,

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01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 2: you know, Chad day Bell. If you don't know who

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Speaker 2: that is married to cult mom. Remember Lorie Valo, the

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Speaker 2: blonde who was like a running around Gallivanti and getting

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01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 2: married in Hawaii when her kids were missing, only to

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01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 2: find out that they were murdered and left in a

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Speaker 2: shallow grave by him and his psycho wife, Laurie Valo

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01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 2: and his ex wife and her ex husband and potentially

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Speaker 2: her brother, and the list goes on. So now these

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Speaker 2: two clowns are hanging out enough, isn't it a death row? Dato?

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01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 2: I don't think so, let's fine out. Let's find out out.

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01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 2: We're going to dig into that and listen, this night

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01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 2: has flown by, and yeah, let's go to a talk

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01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 2: back now.

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Speaker 3: Hi, this is Susie from Buffalo, New York.

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Speaker 5: I justin curious.

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Speaker 3: Can b Kay actually.

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01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 8: Receives mail, phone calls or gifts? He shouldn't be allowed, Maddy,

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01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 8: Kaylee Eathton and Dana can never receive anything again.

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01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 2: Thank you could not agree more. I could not agree more.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if there are certain stipulations that disallow that,

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01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 5: either in some court order or at the prison he is,

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Speaker 5: but generally you are allowed to have Yeah, all of

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Speaker 5: those things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's going to have access to a tablet email.

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Speaker 4: He won't be able to do any dating apps.

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Speaker 2: But no, I'm sorry, I'm just no, many of them

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Speaker 2: are that are able to access dating apps? Un fun

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01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 2: fact man. Yeah, although it will not be a walk

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Speaker 2: in the park. And it seems really, you know, maddening

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Speaker 2: that he has access to Wi Fi and anything. I

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Speaker 2: do think the mail does get to him. It's very

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Speaker 2: much screened though, because he is in a maximum security

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Speaker 2: prison now, so it's not a loose goose.

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Speaker 4: And the Idaho Department of Correction does not allow conjugal visits,

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01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 4: So all you weirdo bride bride girls and weirdo proburgers

1504
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 4: are not going to be able to have any contrible

1505
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 4: visits if you decide you.

1506
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 2: Want to marry him or something. I wonder if that's

1507
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 2: settled down now that you know everyone knows that he's

1508
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:49,719
Speaker 2: a murderer, do you think the girls are still reaching

1509
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 2: out to him more so than ever. I'm shaking my

1510
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 2: head because you know he started about Yeah yeah, yeah,

1511
01:18:57,200 --> 01:19:03,719
Speaker 2: good lord, it's your mama. She's mad too. She's no, no, ladies,

1512
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 2: come on, you can do better. But it's more value

1513
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 2: for yourself.

1514
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 5: To be calling you are right, It just it does

1515
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 5: seem so inequitable because the victims, none of those four

1516
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 5: can get a birthday card.

1517
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 4: And I think I think that was like the you know,

1518
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:24,839
Speaker 4: Thekernodle and the Consols family's point in being so upset

1519
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 4: about the death penalty and taken off the table is

1520
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 4: that Brian Coberger still gets to breathe, he still gets

1521
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 4: to eat and enjoy food. And then you communicate with people.

1522
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 4: You know, I'm sure you know Kaylee's mom and Sanna's

1523
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 4: dad would love to talk to their daughters one more time,

1524
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 4: of course, with like every morsel of their body. Yeah,

1525
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 4: but you know Brian Coberger is going to be able

1526
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 4: to talk to his mother as we know, right, you know,

1527
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 4: it's just it's ridiculous, It's absolutely ridiculous.

1528
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 2: But yes, he's I mean as far as I know.

1529
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 4: When you go, if you if you google ideo C,

1530
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 4: the Idaho Department of Corrections inmate locator, you'll be able

1531
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,560
Speaker 4: to you'll be presented with the unit he's in and

1532
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 4: the address that he's in, anaphone number.

1533
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 2: I wonder though, because he was studying criminology, you know,

1534
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 2: fancying himself to be a real detective vibes. You know

1535
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 2: he was plotting and planning and stalking and doing all

1536
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 2: these disgusting, grotesque things. And we also know that he

1537
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 2: was sending out these surveys to inmates, asking them, Hey,

1538
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 2: when did you know it was time to kill? What

1539
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 2: was the character trait that you feel like needs to

1540
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 2: be had by someone who's going to kill those types

1541
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 2: of things? That's not verbatim. You know, there's another part

1542
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 2: of me that fears that this guy now is in

1543
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 2: his favorite place. Now he gets to hang out with inmates,

1544
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,520
Speaker 2: he gets to study them, he gets to ask them questions.

1545
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 2: You know, you talk about Chad Dabell. If you're a

1546
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 2: real psycho, that guy is right up your alley. Is

1547
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 2: that justice? That's a good point. I don't know. I

1548
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 2: don't know. Well, listen, I'm not going to be here

1549
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 2: tomorrow and Sunday, but you guys are in such great hands.

1550
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 2: Courtney Boddy, Jarrett Farantino, our favorite legal analyst will be

1551
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:08,559
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1552
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 2: including the Coburger case. Make sure you stay with us

1553
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