1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Business of Sports where in a situation 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: that we haven't dealt with in modern times, the pandemic 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: here has really accelerated the investments that we've been advocating 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: for for a year. From a macro standpoint, I think 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: our sport industry is really forced to look at the 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: business a little bit differently. In depth conversations with the 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: leaders in the sports industry and he sport, there is 8 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: a good admiration. We're still moving forward part of something 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: much bigger than the sport right now, the health and 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: radustry of our stakeholders are real smart important every moment. 11 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: I think we're all from a business respective thinking about 12 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: the impact that the virus is having across the country. 13 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: In Bloomberg Business of Sports from Bloomberg Radio, Well, thanks 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. We're here each and every 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: week for you. At the same time talking to the 16 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 1: biggest names in sports. I'm Jason Kelly along with Mike 17 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: Clinch and Michael Barr. I just enjoy watching great golf 18 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: and it means so much to see someone like this 19 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: handle us out this way and hard to believe twenty 20 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: one years old, there it is when for the ages 21 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: so there we have a young man and he was 22 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: young twenty one years old. As you just heard Tiger 23 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: Woods winning the Masters. Let's continue our conversation about golf 24 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: about Masters week because as we heard from Billy Andreid, 25 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: the history is amazing. It's also complicated, and that is 26 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: the subject of a fantastic must read story by our 27 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: Atlanta bureau chief down in Atlanta, Brett Pulley. He joins 28 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: us now from the A T l at Brett, I 29 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: mean this story, we all read it perfectly time, perfectly toned. UM, 30 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: help us understand Augusta and the Masters in the context 31 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: of the world we're living in here. Sure, well, you 32 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: know it's interesting. UM. I think Augusta is and the 33 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: Masters it's it's it's a place in a tournament that's 34 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: best understood, um, through money, power and race. Uh. And 35 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: all three are are so you know, integrating and so 36 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: so so intertwined uh in the club and uh you know, 37 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: and because of that, because of the enormous power uh 38 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: that the very exclusive membership holds, you know, probably the hardest, 39 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: probably the toughest private club in the world to get into. 40 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: Just about I mean, the legend has it that you know, 41 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: grown CEOs have cried when they received their invitation. And 42 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: so there's tremendous power. You know, you talk about names 43 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett and Condoleeza Rice. I mean, uh, 44 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, some of the world's most powerful people are 45 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: members there, and they've wielded this tremendous power. Uh. You 46 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: know for almost ninety years, uh since the club's founding. 47 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: And at the same time, um uh segregation uh was 48 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: so much a part of the club of the city's past. 49 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: Um and um you know, as you you just your 50 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: clip just indicated the first African American golfer to when, 51 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: of course, was Tiger Woods in nine seven. First African 52 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: American golfer to play was Lee Elder uh in and 53 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: Cliff Roberts, who the Wall Street banker who was a 54 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: co founder along with Bobby Jones of Augusta and built 55 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: the club and built the tournament, you know, famously said 56 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: at that time that as long as I'm alive, all 57 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: caddies will be black and all golfers will be white. 58 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: Uh and uh uh. As time passed on, Roberts himself 59 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: passed in seventy seven, and of course that was two 60 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: years after Lee Elder made his debut there. But you know, 61 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: the other thing that's so interesting it's just also complex, 62 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: is at the same time, you know, there was a 63 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: time when there were natives of Augusta. Augusta is a 64 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: city that's you know, African American and is is other 65 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: than the golf tournament is famous as the home of 66 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,799 Speaker 1: none other than soul Brother number one, James Brown, um 67 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: and um. You know, those caddies were all black at Augusta, 68 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: and when the pros showed up to play in the Masters, 69 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 1: they could not bring their own caddies. They the rules, 70 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: uh stipulated that you used Augustus caddies. And these guys 71 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: had deep knowledge of the course of course, you know, 72 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: of course and uh uh deep local understanding, um, et cetera. 73 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: But you know, those rules changed as golf purses got 74 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: much larger, and at the same time, the purses for 75 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: caddies got much larger. And so now today we see 76 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: basically all white caddies who fly in from all over 77 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: the world to you know, a caddy for their respective golfers. 78 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's an extremely sort of complex 79 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: place when you put race and power and stuff together 80 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: at the same time. You know, the club admitted its 81 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: first African American member um in so that hasn't been 82 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: very long ago. And since then they're about oh nine 83 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: or ten African American members, including Condoleeza Rice, and you know, 84 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: and then we have this confluence of events in the 85 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: last year, right, you know, we have this global pandemic 86 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: which impacts us all. We have the social unrest following 87 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: the killing of George Floyd. And in recent weeks we've 88 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: had this uh Georgia voting legislation past, which is garnered 89 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: uh a lot of attention and a lot of criticism, 90 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: and you know, and all these things together put the 91 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: very powerful people of Augusta National right back in the spotlight. 92 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: Right that person you mentioned that was the black member, 93 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: Ron Townsend. I remember that when that story came out. 94 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: And like you said, there's only nine more or nine 95 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: right now black members at Augusta National today. What is 96 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: it going to take for Augusta National to get out 97 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: of the past, Because if you think about it, what 98 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: you just said earlier about the comment about the caddies 99 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: are gonna be black and the players are gonna be white, 100 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: that was really only about forty years ago, uh, it's 101 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: it's it's not that long ago. So what is it 102 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: going to take to expand to that. Well, you know, 103 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: one of the things about Augusta National UM, and it's 104 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: part of the mystique, is that there is clearly and 105 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: and UM insistence on the part of the members of 106 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: not being dictated to in any way. It's kind of 107 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: you know, for for the world's elite. It's kind of 108 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: the haven, uh or a haven for that. And you 109 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: know we see that play out in all kinds of ways. 110 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: You know, when they were under pressure to admit their 111 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: first uh women members UM, there was the threat of 112 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: boycott's against the sponsors of the tournament. Well, what they did, 113 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: because again they're so uh so powerful and so wealthy, 114 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: is they broadcast the tournament without sponsors and uh to 115 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: protect their sponsors so that the sponsors could avoid controversy. Now, 116 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: of course, ultimately they did the right thing and admitted 117 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: uh admitted Condoleeza Rice and I want to say, uh, 118 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,119 Speaker 1: Jenny Romody at the former CEO at IBM at that time, 119 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: who's currently a member also, uh So you know that's 120 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: that's kind of the way it is. Look, Lee Elder 121 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: was the honorary starter. And as you guys know, UH, 122 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: the honorary starters for a number of years have been 123 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, the great three Gary Player, Jack Nicholas, and 124 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: the late Arnold Palmer. Uh. The last couple of years 125 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: or the last few years, I think it's been uh 126 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: just a tute Nicholas and Player. UM. But UH, Wendell Haskins, 127 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: an executive who was an executive at UH the p 128 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: g A for a number of years, had been really 129 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: pushing behind the scenes to have Lee Elder uh come 130 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: as an honorary starter. There's never a champion like the others, 131 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: but because he was such a pioneer and such a trailblazer, 132 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: and so that's something he's been lobbying for for a 133 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: number of years. UH. And so in the in the 134 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: wake of the George Floyd UH social unrest, the club 135 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: did indeed announced UH a few months back that Lee 136 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: would be the honorary starter, and he did so. But 137 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: the point of that story is that Wendell, who worked 138 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: for so long to make this happen, receive no credit 139 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: for it and didn't even get an invitation to come 140 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 1: see the ceremony. So you know, it's it's just it 141 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: just kind of it just underscores just how fervently uh 142 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: they hold on uh too, independence and the ability to 143 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: make h decisions on their own. So all of that 144 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: to say, you know, we've seen I think the club 145 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: go kind of kicking and screaming into the future, right, 146 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: and that's probably what we will continue to see to 147 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: some extent. Brett. How has Augusta National been able to 148 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: just erect basically an invisible force field on the perimeter 149 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: of this of this club to insulate themselves from what's 150 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: really happening in the real world for so long? Well, 151 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: it really is. It really is amazing and it and 152 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: again it really underscores the kind of power and influence 153 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: that they have. Look. I talked to people in the 154 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: city of Augusta, and to a person, people kind of 155 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: love it. They love Augusta Nashville because they have been 156 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: very generous uh to the city um um, and they 157 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: have the ability to be so. Earlier this year, the 158 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: club donated I want to say, a million dollars uh 159 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: for uh um coronavirus vaccine, vaccine distribution. Uh So those 160 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: kinds of things, uh, you know, of course by them 161 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: tremendous uh influence and power. Um, they're in in in 162 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: the city, and you know, they've expanded. And when they've 163 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: expanded their own property, they've done things like improved the 164 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: public property at the same time the city's property. So 165 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's the large s and uh and and 166 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: let us not forget that. You know, I call this 167 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: the this week the mean green season, right, this is 168 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: the season when so many people who are natives of Augusta, 169 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: who are residents of Augusta, they are in substantial income, 170 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: you know. I mean there are a number of people who, 171 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: of course you know, they're they're they're waiting tables, their bartending, 172 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: they're doing all these things and making you know, some 173 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: pretty good money over a one to two week period. 174 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: There are people who are renting their homes out. I mean, 175 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: my goodness, there are people who are earning who are 176 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: getting uh enough money from a couple of weeks of 177 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: renting their home out to cover their mortgage for three, 178 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: four or five months. So there's uh, there is uh 179 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: a lot of appreciation for the fact that this event 180 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: happens to take place in Augusta. You know, it's like, 181 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of people have said to me, 182 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: it's tantamount to landing the Super Bowl and landing it 183 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: every year year after year. You know, the mayor said, 184 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: and they said, we don't have a major sports stadiums, 185 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, we don't have a professional sports teams, but 186 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: we have this thing that takes place every year and 187 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: the entire world knows about it and wants to be 188 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: a part of it. Uh. There's just uh, you know, 189 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: there's there's tremendous value in that, clearly for the city, 190 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: uh and for its residents. So Brett, you know, tie 191 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: this to to what we have seen in Georgia over 192 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: the past few months and in the past few weeks 193 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: because the NBA obviously, and the w n b A 194 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: and the local teams have had a very strong voice. 195 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: Major League Baseball just last week said we're not coming 196 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: to Atlanta for the All Star Game or suburban Atlanta 197 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: for the All Star Game. This is all kind of 198 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: coming to a head in many ways. So tie it 199 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: all together for us. Yeah, it's interesting, it is kind 200 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: of coming to a head, and it's interesting how Augusta 201 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: National and its members are kind of, uh to some 202 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: extent um able to to shield themselves from it. Look, 203 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about members who are executives at many of 204 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: the companies. Uh, certainly some of the companies that have 205 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: made statements in the last week about the voting legislation. Right, 206 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: American Express made statements. Ken Channault himself made a statement, 207 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: the former CEO of American Express and Coca Cola has 208 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: made a state has made statements, etcetera. So many many 209 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: companies have who are associated with with the tournament. But 210 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: you know, unlike so many other sports, I think the 211 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: other thing that makes a big, big difference here is 212 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: the players, right, and um, you know, look, Rob Manfred, 213 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: the commissioner of Major League Baseball, made the decision. He 214 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: was the official who made the decision to move the 215 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: game from Atlanta. But make no doubt, make no mistake 216 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: about it, the players were very active in the background 217 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: now in lobbying to move the game. Uh, you know, right, 218 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: And by by some accounts, you had star players. I 219 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: believe Mookie Bett's former Red Sock now now l a Dodger. Basically, 220 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: we're we're told said behind the scenes, I'm not going 221 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: so if this game stays in Atlanta, you will not 222 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: have me a clear all star in that game. Yes, yes, 223 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: that's right. And I think they're there in lies a 224 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: bit of the difference. I mean, I think it's a 225 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: combination of the power that Augusta National has, but it's 226 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: also the slowness with which professional golfers, uh respond to 227 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: social issues. I was reading this article and they brought 228 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: back so many memories. Uh. My mother is from Augusta, Georgia, 229 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: and every year we would go down for the summer 230 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: vacation down in Augusta, Georgia. And you had mentioned about 231 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: the Mayor of Augusta talking about only, of course the tournament, 232 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: but many other aspects. Fort Gordon is there and it's 233 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: it's a military site that has benefited Augusta for years. 234 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, uh, James Brown came from there. 235 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: Augusta has always been a thriving place. And of course, 236 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: yes the tournament is a moneymaker, but it's always been 237 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: a place that that has been rich in history. Yes, 238 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: that's for sure. Well, look, if people don't know anything 239 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: else about Augusta, so many people know James Brown lyrics 240 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: right from from there was a time when he says, 241 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: down there we have a good time. Right. Everyone knows 242 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: that line. Uh and uh and and and yes, the 243 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: mayor was emphatic about the fact that, uh, there are 244 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: other things that are driving the economy, economy, and as 245 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: you pointed out, for Gordon, apparently in recent years has 246 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: received significant has become a significant player in cyber security, 247 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: and that's created tremendous jobs. There's apparently, you know, a 248 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: very large and thriving uh medical uh industry complex there. 249 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: So there's no doubt it is a place that does well. 250 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: Uh But as a mayor also points out, this thing 251 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: that they have every year, this tournament that attracts the 252 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: world is like this great icing on the cake. And 253 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: or as the president of the Convention of Visitors Bureau, 254 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: a guy named Nish Brown said, he said, you know, 255 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: we call the Masters month because that's how much it 256 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: means to the economy, the local economy. Uh So, um 257 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: so it is an extraordinary place. And and look been 258 00:16:55,040 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: the former FED chairman Ben Bernaki is from Augusta, the 259 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: great opera singer Jesse Norman, actor Lawrence Fishborn, et cetera, 260 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: et cetera. Um, Uh it is uh you know it's 261 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: uh it's it is a a a very nice place, 262 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: made iconic place by a golf course and a golf 263 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: tournament Brett. I'm looking at the video of the team 264 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: off Gary player um Jack Nicholas Lee Elder here and 265 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: I just froze the picture rightio. And I read a 266 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: little bit of the story. So I'm counting in the 267 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: front row right behind the ropes, one, two, three, eleven 268 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: African Americans. And I read the story that most of 269 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: them are club professionals E p J pros. Yeah, And 270 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: I'm just a little conflicted here watching this. Is this 271 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: a sincere move by the club? Are they just props 272 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: for this, you know, photo opportunity? Will they be allowed 273 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: to stay on the grounds, have lunch, stay for all 274 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 1: four days so the tournament? And I'm just you know, 275 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: as a white guy, am sitting here and I my 276 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: stomach is turning here. I don't know if this is 277 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: sincere or if this is just if these people are 278 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: just being used for this photo opportunity. Yeah, I tell you, 279 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: you know what a shame it would be if those 280 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: club pros uh could not stay the entire time after 281 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: getting It's my understanding. Look, they're about there over two 282 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: thousand uh p g A members as pros who are 283 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: all around, you know, and these are people who you 284 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: know run our country clubs and different facilities and stuff 285 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: around the country. And uh, and it's my understanding, I 286 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: want to say it's like maybe a hundred and fifty 287 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: to two hundred who are African American, UM, maybe about 288 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: ten percent somewhere in that neighborhood. And so I don't 289 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: know how they selected. I thought I had heard that 290 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: ten to twelve would be there that I have not 291 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: seen that video, but I knew they were planning to 292 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: have them there as part of the ceremony. And look, 293 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: it's great for them. Uh. You know, Look, as a golfer, 294 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: I can comfortably say that pretty much anyone who plays 295 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: a game or has an effect affection for the game 296 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: or is it associated with the game, UM would like 297 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: to would like to be at the Masters. And uh, 298 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: so we know that you know that those gentlemen would 299 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: like to be there as well. So I would, Uh, 300 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: I would certainly hope that it's a it's a wonderful 301 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: experience for him and a fulfilling experience. So Brett, just 302 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: as we wrap up here, we cannot have this conversation 303 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: and your story touches on this really nicely without talking 304 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: about Tiger Woods. We we started this conversation with that 305 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, historic clip of him winning back in One 306 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: of the inherent conflicts here is that the biggest star 307 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: in the certainly the modern history of the game, the 308 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: recent modern history of the game, and clearly very good 309 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: for the business of golf and more specifically the business 310 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: of the Masters. But because it is the Masters, is 311 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: a black man in Tiger Woods. Obviously he's not there 312 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: this year, given that he is injured from from that 313 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: car crash. But help us understand that complicated relationship, because 314 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: anybody who watched the Tiger Woods documentary on HBO saw 315 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: that very uncomfortable press conference with Billy Kane um talking 316 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: about that. I mean, you're you just you watch it 317 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: and we talked about it on this show and your 318 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: jaw drops being reminded of how you know, these this 319 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: whole series and I'll say it, of old white men 320 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: sit up on that day as clearly judging um, this 321 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: young black man. It's just not anymore complicated than that 322 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: talk to us about Tiger Yeah, that that press conference 323 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: is just um, it's just it's it's it's difficult to 324 00:20:54,320 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: watch because um, you know, it's like this self righteous 325 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: sort of um um um attempt to to like punish 326 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: this guy for you know, not not uh living up 327 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: to something that you know, this some like false perception 328 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: that that Billy Payne is putting forth and it just 329 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: it just pains you to watch. And you have to 330 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: wonder how Tiger, now, being you know, older and more mature, 331 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: feels about it. But look, race has always been complicated 332 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: at augusty, even as it relates to Tiger. I mean, 333 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: just go back to the first year he one and 334 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: then the comment I think it was fuzzy Zella was made, 335 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: the comment about the Champions dinner and would Tiger serve 336 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: fried chicken? Yeah, it's look, a part of it is, Look, 337 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 1: it's his golf and these guys, these guys hit hit 338 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: a golf ball really well and play the game really well. 339 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: But you know, and so we have to, um, I 340 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: think things like that remind us of in some cases, 341 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't go much farther than that. Uh we we 342 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: we we we admire them and love the fact that 343 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: they are so extraordinarily good at it because we know 344 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: how extraordinarily difficult it is. But when it comes to 345 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: some of these bigger issues, it's when it gets complicated 346 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: and that's why it gets complicated for Augusta, especially because 347 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: it is a place that's populated by, that's owned by, 348 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: that is run by people with whom so much is 349 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: expected of UM and so that why, you know, try 350 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: as much as they would like to avoid waiting in 351 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: the controversy, uh, they really can't. They can't avoid it UM. 352 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: So so you know, that's it's it's it's like kind 353 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: of increasingly baked into uh into Augusta National's DNA, that 354 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff finds its way there. But again, 355 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, look amazingly they are very very good at 356 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 1: uh at deflecting it. And uh you know the current 357 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: chairman uh rittley uh comments made comments yesterday about the 358 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: Georgia legislation. They were very innocuous, and you know, it 359 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: made it clear that you know, they're for any for 360 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: supporting voting rights, and you know, they recognize that it's 361 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: a pretty partisan issue and so they don't they don't 362 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: wait into that at all, you know, and they're very 363 00:23:53,160 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: good at at kind of um making sure all messaging 364 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: goes through the chairman. And you know, look, these are skilled, 365 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: skilled CEOs and executives and that's why and you ask 366 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: almost anyone this week, and they will invariably say, talk 367 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: to the chairman. Now, the chairman is not going to 368 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: respond to you, but he'll talk when he's ready to talk. 369 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: So they're very good at that. Like someone said to 370 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: me a couple of days ago, I said, look, it's 371 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: like fight club. He said, what's the first rule of 372 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: fight club? Right, don't tell anyone about fight club? And 373 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: they kind of operate like that at Augusta National. Well, Brett, listen, 374 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: this has been an absolute joy to talk to you, 375 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: as anyone who knows me knows, I just have the 376 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: utmost respect for you as a journalist, love that you're 377 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: running the Atlanta bureau for Bloomberg, and uh, just keep 378 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: up the great work you and your team. And this 379 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: is an absolute must read to understand this intersection, as 380 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: you say, of money, race, power, and and so much more, 381 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: and of course sports. It is Masters week, but we 382 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,719 Speaker 1: can't forget all these other issues that are going on 383 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: so our thanks to you. We know it's a busy day, 384 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: especially as you talk about this story. Uh, and and 385 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: rightly a lot, so thanks so much. Well, it's my pleasure, 386 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: thank you guys so much. So. Guys, I loved that 387 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: combination of talking to Billy Andred and Brett Poley, both 388 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: down in Atlanta. Uh, you know, not far from Augusta 389 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: in all eyes, as they should be in the sports world, 390 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: or an Augusta, but you know, as always too, it's 391 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: a lot about the golf, but it's not totally about it. 392 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: And you know, I would say, you know, hearing from Brett, 393 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: who is our Atlanta bureau chief and spent some time 394 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: reporting out this piece in Augusta, understanding this intersection of 395 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: all of these things just fascinating. And I can't recommend 396 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: that story enough. Just listening to Brett and it brings 397 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: back so many memories that I think about with Augusta. 398 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: My mom's hometown is Augusta, Georgia, and obviously the tournament 399 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: was something big, and I remember that he brought up 400 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: that topic about back years ago when one of the 401 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: founders of the UH Augusta, Cliff Roberts, and he made 402 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: that infamous UH quote as long as I'm alive, all 403 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: golfers will be white and all the caddies will be black. 404 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: And my parents would always tell me about that quote, 405 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: and I and just I didn't understand back then why 406 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: what what is going on here? But that's just the 407 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: way Augusta was and hopefully it can expand out of 408 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: Back and Lynchy. You know, as I synthesized these two conversations, 409 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: and and for those of you who who are listening, 410 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: you can actually hear the full conversations with each of 411 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: them on the podcast, and I would highly recommend it 412 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: because because we spent a lot of time with both 413 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: of these guys. You know, the thing you come away with, 414 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: or at least I came away with, is there's golf, 415 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: there's golf tournaments, there's majors, and then there's the masters 416 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: above all of it um and the power that has concentrated, 417 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: the power it has with the players, the power it 418 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: has with its members is just tremendous. Well, as Brett said, 419 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: so very very well that Augusta National and particularly their 420 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: chairman Fred Ridley, are very very good at deflecting any 421 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: type of controversy and any type of tough questions, and 422 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: that there's one voice that speaks on behalf of the 423 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: members and all messaging has to go through the chairman 424 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: and that hasn't changed since Clifford Roberts helped found this 425 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: club back in nineteen in the nineteen thirties. Um, here 426 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: they are in the state of Georgia where there's just 427 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: a swirl of controversy going around, and you and might 428 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: as well think they could be on the North Pole. 429 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: They couldn't be any far away from it, geographically, socially, 430 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: more mentally. Now they did have um Lee elder Pool 431 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: guys got an tank he's carrying around with them. But 432 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: he did stand up today and got a rousing elevation 433 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: in the from the crowd that's there. But I'd like 434 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: to say, you've come a long way, baby, but they 435 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: haven't now they absolutely have not. And you know, and 436 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: and even talking to Billy Andre about you know, the 437 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: process of being there and how strict the rules are, 438 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: you know, whether you're a player or a broadcaster or 439 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: whatever it is. It's just a reminder that it's a 440 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: different sort of place. And and I do think from 441 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: a business perspective, it is fascinating how these are literally 442 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: the most powerful leaders in the world, mostly men, mostly 443 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: white men, who are members of this club, and yet 444 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: they are able to even if they are making statements 445 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,239 Speaker 1: in their day jobs running companies or running you know, 446 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: massive investment funds or whatever it is, Augusta and Augusta 447 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: National or sacrosanct and uh and and they managed to 448 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: to sort of maneuver their way through. As Brett Pooley 449 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: uh so so nicely said. So H can't recommend enough 450 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: both those conversations in full, and also Brett's story on 451 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Well, you've been listening to the Bloomberg Business 452 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: of Sports. We're here each and every week at the 453 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: same time, plus online wherever you get your podcasts. Catch 454 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: those Mondays, Wednesdays and Thursdays. I'm Jason Kelly. Find me 455 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jason Kelly News. And I'm Mike Lynch. 456 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: You can follow me at Lynch e w CBB, and 457 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm Michael Barr on Twitter at Big Bar Sports. 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