1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Now, the Shotgun Starting Golf is full of mathematics. There's 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of setup work that we 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: have to do in order to make a tournament work. 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: So I'm going to demonstrate to you just exactly how 5 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: we do a shotgun start here. 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: And where we go. 7 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: Alright, alright, alright, dig. 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 3: No man, dart your. 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 4: Greed to Welcome to a Friday edition of the Shotgun Start. 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 4: It is June twenty sixth, Kevin, how we do it? 11 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: Brendan, I am great coming to you from the lovely 12 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: state of Montana, the greatest states in the nation. It's 13 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: a Christmas player, no, but I mean, you know Gary 14 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: plays Eric Washington was the greatest state in the nation, 15 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: and he was. I think full of it then, so 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: I can I can brag in my home state a 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 2: little bit. 18 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 4: Seems lovely, seems lovely. I would like to get out there. 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of Yellowstone. I assume that's just 20 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 4: how it is. I think, ye, the Montana I want 21 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 4: to go visit. 22 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 5: Just taking murder, just taking people of the train station 23 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 5: every day. 24 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do a few murders. But I'm hearing myself. 25 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: If I can, if I can fit it in. 26 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 4: H didn't Taylor Sheridan get sit at some point last week? 27 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 4: Was that like Brandell? Didn't Brandall? 28 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: Randall said, you could not write a better script. I 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: don't think Taylor ship Sheridan could write a better script 30 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: than the Scottie Scheffler winning the US Open on his birthday. 31 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,839 Speaker 5: I don't know that if mister Shimbley is familiar. 32 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,919 Speaker 2: With Taylor Sheridan's catalog, right, that would be a pretty 33 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: lame Taylor Sheridan plot. There'd have to be, you know. 34 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 5: A murderer, someone have to run a governor. 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 4: Have we gone from like you know, Dave Chase, David 36 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 4: Simon to Taylor Sheridan being the citation for this kind 37 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 4: of thing? Or is that or Vince Gilligan writing? Wasn't 38 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 4: he the Are we just citing Taylor Sheridan now is 39 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,559 Speaker 4: the foremost script showrunner? 40 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: Yes? I guess he has a fifteen different shows. Yeah, 41 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: there's like four different golf shows. Now, why can't Taylor 42 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: Sheridan write a golf show? Frankly? 43 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know I was walking in the fire around 44 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 4: literally the fifteenth hole, Yeah, fifteenth fifteenth hole, fire around 45 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 4: Wyndham Clark following Wyndham Clark and who's Windom Scotty little 46 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 4: little home player Scottie. There's an individual came up to 47 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 4: me in I wanted to talk inside the ropes and 48 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 4: he had on an Apple TV stick you know, the 49 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 4: Owen Wilson or the Li Wilson which stick polo on 50 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 4: the stick? This year is like the hell of that? 51 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 4: Get here? Who's what was interesting? 52 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: So to anybody the stick? Right? 53 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 4: He was somewhet of notes. Yeah, yeah, but I was. 54 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 4: I was chuckling at the at the polo. So Taylor's 55 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 4: share and we have to get out. I'd love to 56 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 4: get out to Montana. It seems like what's the best 57 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 4: time to go right now? Uh, if you're not. 58 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say, actually, I love. 59 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: Early fall, Like September is probably like, but when it's 60 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: not hot, it'll get up to like eighty ninety in 61 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: the next couple of days here. That's cosmic great, But man, 62 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: you get a Chris Fall day, you know, it's like 63 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: you can appreciate this. Having grown up in Ohio, I 64 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: think the best like the best time to play golf 65 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: is when it's like a little cold in the morning 66 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: and you just wait for that to buzz off and 67 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: you can wear like a long sleeve with shorts, and 68 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: then you take that off in the middle of the round, 69 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: and then the evening is cooler and you're back into 70 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: the long sleeve, like sitting past the beast sack at night, 71 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: have a few pops. 72 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 4: Yes, it's been it's been unseasonably cool here, I'd say 73 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 4: in Maryland. It's relative to many Maryland summers. So it's 74 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 4: been open windows season, as I'd like to call it as, 75 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 4: has been longer than normal. And I can't wait for 76 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 4: the September. 77 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: I'm sure that like Satan's butthole ar Yeah, yeah, yeah, 78 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: called Maryland in the summer soon. 79 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. All right, let's get to some of the PGA 80 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 4: Tour changes from Tuesday Wednesday. I wanted to get your 81 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 4: thoughts on the initial We obviously had a length the 82 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 4: wide ranging discussion on it Wednesday. What were your initial reactions. 83 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 4: So the sort of codified Challengers and Champions Tours, you know, 84 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 4: match play at Pine Valley seems to be coming, and 85 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 4: a rotation between Cypress Point, Pine Valley and wherever else, Seminole, 86 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 4: maybe Chicago Golf Club, just you name it, National Golf Links. 87 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 4: We're just going to keep going there. What was your 88 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 4: action to some of that early that the avalanche of 89 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 4: news on Wednesday. 90 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean my main reaction was did Pine Valley 91 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 2: know that they were in the press release? Like did 92 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: they basically know that they're going to be used for 93 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: talking points? And I think there was probably a lot. 94 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 4: Of wait, wait, wait were they in the press release? 95 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: They were, please, but they were essentially like U is 96 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: the talking points? Like I don't think that though someone 97 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: doesn't that stuff doesn't end up in that ESPN story. 98 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: If someone doesn't bring that up in conversations with yeah, 99 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 2: say like you know, when what if, like we have 100 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: you know, match play at Pine Valley, I think that 101 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: what If maybe was doing a lot of work there. 102 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: In fact, the tour had to do a little clean 103 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 2: up on that because I was like whoa and reached 104 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: out to someone of the tour and they were like, uh, 105 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: this is a wish list, like we're hopeful the new 106 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: footprint will help things be you know, more more of 107 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: a possibility, but I'm gonna come out and as as 108 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: Garrett said, like I believe Pine Valley when I see 109 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: it on the schedule, and not a minute before. 110 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 4: On that point, I was thinking about this. It doesn't 111 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 4: have to be Pine Valley, but any any kind of 112 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 4: you know, fancy boy club or something. I kind of 113 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 4: think their window to do it is now, like they 114 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 4: have that they have to do it right off the bat. 115 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 4: There is no they can't if they're going to build 116 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 4: this into some elite, prestigious, different kind of product. I 117 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 4: don't think they have a big window to prove it. 118 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 4: I think they have to do it right away, at 119 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 4: least if they're going to get access to those kinds 120 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 4: of places, maybe they can prove it at you know, 121 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 4: I throw out like Whistling Straits is where it ends 122 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 4: up as opposed to Chicago Golf Club. You know, that's 123 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 4: not a slight against Whistling Straight, So it probably sounds 124 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 4: like it quite significantly. I don't think they have a 125 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 4: lot of time, like either you're going to put it 126 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 4: into class like that or you're not. And I don't 127 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 4: think you could start, you know, with the mid tier 128 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 4: and then do that for four years and then it 129 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 4: become top tier. I think like either you're creating it 130 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 4: and making this new thing at this level, or you're not, 131 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 4: And I think real quick it could languish. I'm not 132 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 4: going to say it could fail, but it could languish 133 00:06:54,920 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 4: really fast. If they have designs on going to that 134 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 4: kind of place, they kind of have to do They 135 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 4: have to do it right away. Does that make sense? 136 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, before you get too much of your commercial stink 137 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: on it, Like you have the momentum now and people 138 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: are only going to be less interested. 139 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 4: In Yeah, but like gaging with it and the way 140 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 4: these things work. And let's like be honest here. I mean, 141 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 4: people measure themselves against other things too often, especially when 142 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 4: it comes to golf course rankings, prestige or whatever. If 143 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 4: you go to like I don't want to like quote 144 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 4: at least places and like just put them down. But 145 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 4: if you go to like B level course, B level, 146 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 4: B level, B level or whatever, not Pine Valley, let's 147 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 4: just say that not Cypress for four years. Does that 148 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 4: mean then, like c I was like, oh well we can, 149 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 4: like I want to be in on that because you. 150 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: Went to. 151 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 4: Wherever Spanish Bay. I would like to now up Cypress 152 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: points like come down the road. Like I just think 153 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 4: like you're either making it this elite thing right away 154 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 4: or you're not. And so I don't think they have 155 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 4: a big window or a lot runway to figure that 156 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 4: out quite frankly, and so it seems unlikely that we're 157 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 4: actually going to go to those places. Just the point 158 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:11,679 Speaker 4: I believe was that infrastructure wise, format wise, they're open 159 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 4: to making it a Walker Cup style environment and it 160 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 4: won't be empowered by the massive buildouts. 161 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 5: What is the benefit to Cyprus or Pine Valley for 162 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 5: being willing to. 163 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: Have this, Like, it's not like they need more members, 164 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: it's not like they need more probably looking at their 165 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: course just you know, I. 166 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 4: Think sometimes it's just cool and there's a there's there's 167 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 4: maybe a level of siege. I'm not saying with this 168 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 4: particular event yet, but having a Walker Cup, having a 169 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 4: Curtis Cup, having a whatever. Yeah, you're right, it's like 170 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 4: they don't need it. But also maybe that's sometimes being 171 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 4: a good partner to the game at large, to the 172 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 4: USGA at large. I think it's just like, hey, we 173 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 4: have a cool place. I think we can open it 174 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 4: up every thirty years or twenty five or whatever it 175 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 4: might be. But you're right, there is no there's no 176 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 4: mandatory already, you know, thirst I don't think they need 177 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 4: to be thirsty to host public, active public events. 178 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 2: So the best players in the world, come up and 179 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: bastard as your course and take ridiculous lines off tease 180 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: and you know, complain about conditioning and such as. 181 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 4: Well, there is there is well maybe even that would 182 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 4: put you know, people like the Whalers in their place, 183 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 4: Like you can't You're not allowed to complain about Cyprus Point, 184 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 4: You're not allowed to complain about Pine Valley. Any other 185 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 4: thoughts about the rollout, release or rollout? Do you feel 186 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 4: like we're in a real new era? I thought there 187 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 4: was some There's interesting debate between media people that like, 188 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 4: this isn't really a big deal. It's just codifying what 189 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 4: already exists in terms of their have that have nots informally, 190 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 4: and this is formalizing it. I thought it was pretty sick. 191 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 4: I took the opposite. 192 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was a good overall, a good plan, right, 193 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: I think honestly it simplifies some things in some ways 194 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: and forces the the best players to play in a 195 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: situation where you know, if you want to have these 196 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 2: spots and keep them, you better. You know you're going 197 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: to play, and everybody knows it, and you know, suddenly 198 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: like makes the stakes clear for the younger, like hungry 199 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: guys like, if hey win twice, you get promoted, get 200 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 2: into this upper tier, like it's going to benefit you 201 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: in some way. I do think it's going to be 202 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 2: interesting that no sponsor exemptions going forward, Like it feels 203 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: like that's have been half of our content for the last. 204 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 4: Uh no, no, no, we have more race than that 205 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 4: Tony fifty seven. By the way, this week, all right, 206 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 4: there we go another good deed. Jordan's speak in this 207 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 4: lab putter not doing well either, he's t sixty three. 208 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 4: They practice with the lab and then eventually put I 209 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 4: think the old one. 210 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 2: What an insane like Canet story, it is to like speak, 211 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: the fiftieth best player in the world using a new putter, 212 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: and it's like all the rage for all the weirdos, 213 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: like we might be in like the last embers of 214 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: a dying star at this moment with Spefe where we're 215 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: really grasping it. Oh, that's this putter is going to 216 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: make a difference for. 217 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 4: The fiftieth player in the world. 218 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: Might be cooked. Might you're talking and this is a 219 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: person me who wrote like at the beginning of the year, like, oh, 220 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: it's the hope that kills you, Like I'm finally believing 221 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: one last time. I think I'm I think I might 222 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 2: be out. 223 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 4: Well, there's gonna be I would imagine a fair amount 224 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 4: of retrospectives and discussion here in like two weeks and 225 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 4: we go to Birkdale, right, and so maybe that's the 226 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 4: last dying embers of the Star. I would say, it's 227 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 4: just it's a week after a major and Scott and like, 228 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 4: what are we supposed to get excited about the Travelers? 229 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 4: No disrespect to the travelers and all the money and 230 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 4: the history there, but or DPC River Highlands or anyone 231 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 4: in Connecticut. Really no disrespect. But like the primary story 232 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 4: in day one was Scotti Scheffler forgot his belt and 233 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 4: like this was a big thing, this was whoa samd birds. 234 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 4: I had to drive him home to get his belt. 235 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 4: Like that's just the level. I mean, think about where 236 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 4: we were a week ago. We're talking about like like 237 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 4: deep in the weeds that we're talking about, Scotty. 238 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 5: Have you ever forgot a belt in playing golf? 239 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 4: I don't think, so nothing comes to mind. I will 240 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 4: occasionally forget to pack a belt, right, You'll wear some 241 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 4: sort of like joggers on the plane and then you 242 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 4: pack like eighteen pairs of khaki pants or shorts, and 243 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 4: then you have no belt. Like I've done that before, 244 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 4: but never playing golf, how about you. 245 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely have forgotten the belt or thought that 246 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 2: I had a belt. Like you know. What happens a 247 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: lot is my friends will want to play like seven 248 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: oh five, speaking of the awfulness of summer in Maryland, 249 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: and so it'll be like an hour away and I'm 250 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: trying to like get up in the morning and not 251 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: like disturb my wife and banging around knocking into stuff. Yeah, 252 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: and I'll be like, well, I'm sure there's a belt 253 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 2: in here somewhere, I just can't find it. Let me 254 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: go down. I'm sure it's like in the basement or whatever, 255 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: and there's no belt down there. And after I left 256 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: the room, I don't want to go banging back in 257 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 2: there and trying to find the belt. And so I 258 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: was like, oh, well, surely they'll have a belt I 259 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: can just buy. I'll have to eat this ninety dollars 260 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: belt charge or whatever. That's the punishment. No belts. Not 261 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 2: a high enough level club. I guess the public course 262 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: that I'm playing and spent the entire round just like 263 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 2: yanking up my pants like I was a plumber after 264 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: every you know, every shot, taking a wild swing and 265 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: get my pants are falling down tough one. 266 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 4: Scotty avoided that plate thank the say of birds the 267 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 4: buddy's trip back to get the belt, and that was 268 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 4: the next story. He posted a decent opening route top 269 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 4: top ten. I believe Eric Cole our early leader over 270 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 4: there with the sixty sixty three over Nico Etcheveria, Ben 271 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 4: Griffin and his Max Flies flying high with the sixty 272 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 4: four just on one shot off the lead. Scotty was 273 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 4: also sixty four, So I don't know, I mean, I 274 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 4: it's kind of like, I don't know, is it is it? 275 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 4: Is it unfair to sort of condemn a player for 276 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 4: playing well at like target Golf Dartboard Central the week after, 277 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 4: Like it's unfair. Good golf is good golf right sixty, 278 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 4: Like Patrick can'tley immediately posting sixty five like I'm sorry. 279 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 4: It's like it's like the quarterback who goes for three 280 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 4: point fifty against like Directional State University and then can't 281 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 4: throw it more than three yards downfield when they have 282 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 4: to play LSU or whoever. Joseph's not here to defend 283 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 4: his fellow on archer that that was a little bit 284 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 4: of that happened, like. 285 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, was like he stunk against Ohio State and then 286 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: he's like flexing like you know. 287 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 4: Yeh was it Sam Houston maybe or one of those Yeah, 288 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 4: I like arch. 289 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: But that was kind of weak. Yeah. No, I think 290 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 2: it's like, I think this speaks to our point all 291 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: the time, that there's just it's just two different games. It's, yeah, 292 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: the same thing you're you know, you should be docked 293 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: for you know, you should be docked for it. You 294 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: should only be able to earn half the point. 295 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's it feels bad, like you're like, 296 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 4: ah sixty five, like that's actually shows that you're actually 297 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 4: a house cat. I mean it does feel a little wrong, 298 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 4: but but there is an element of that going on. 299 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: You know, these guys love being pampered by the travelers, 300 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: you gotta say, I mean, the travelers doing it right 301 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: for them their respective but god, they just can't stop 302 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: gushing about it. 303 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 4: I think they're doing it right in a couple of 304 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 4: different ways. Maybe the bank account might also be done 305 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 4: right by travelers as well. That's you know, there's a 306 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 4: lot of flowers about it, like, oh, we give away 307 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 4: onesies to the new parents and then they're travel like 308 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 4: all these things like caddies for this that. But uh yeah, no, 309 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 4: I think it's it's it's taking care of the players, definitely, 310 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 4: and they do it right. They do do it right. 311 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 4: That's like the fact of the matter. 312 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 2: But they helped us boys this week, so that was great. 313 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 4: You know, multiple lunches Shane Lowry and I think the 314 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 4: rust Buss is coming. I believe he might not be 315 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 4: out yet. PJ. Did I jump the gun there? Did 316 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 4: I spoil? 317 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: No? 318 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 4: I mean we alluded to the rest buse. 319 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 6: Shane Lowry was a late add but we alluded to 320 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 6: the rest bus the other day. 321 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 7: Rustbus will be out. 322 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 4: Dad, Like you guys didn't want him and you want 323 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 4: to just we we. 324 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 6: We we said, hey, we'd like to speak to both 325 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 6: of them, and they came back with here's Russell and 326 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 6: we went okay, and then it was oh, now Shane 327 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 6: can do it. 328 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 4: Very late late in the game. 329 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: This is after we had to convince you that Shane 330 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: would be a good guest and then he gave an 331 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: all time fruit answer, you know answer. 332 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 5: You and Joseph are kind of really like, I don't 333 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 5: know if Shane Loller fits our brand. 334 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 4: We gonna get me piker like Nothinganks, I'm good. 335 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 7: We we were excited. We were excited about the rust bus. 336 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 7: We were gonna gast up the rest bus. We were 337 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 7: gonna we were gonna put some gudea. 338 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 4: Up in that engine. We were very excited. 339 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 7: Joseph, Uh yeah, I'll do a little break and forth. 340 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 7: Weall preview here, Joseph. I don't know if Joseph's gassing 341 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 7: up the rust bus after after our rollback, Joseph. 342 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 4: Had him on the back foot about discussing roll back 343 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 4: a little bit. 344 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 7: I would say we started off pretty well, and then 345 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 7: the middle maybe got a little contentious, and then maybe 346 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 7: we we tried to get back on the rails. 347 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: By the end, you got a little frost Nickson on 348 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 2: that ass. 349 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 4: It's just lunch lunch. When lunch turns a little little contucious. 350 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 4: Love that, Yeah, I love that preview, all right? Love that? 351 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 4: Love that? Well? Uh, Kevin, I gotta ask you, you're 352 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 4: traveling cross country, gone from Long Island to Baltimore to Montana. 353 00:17:58,960 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 4: How you sleeping? 354 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: Not so great? You know? I think you know. I'll 355 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: tell you this my parents don't listen to this, so 356 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 2: they'll never hear. This mattress in my parents' house is horrible. 357 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: It's just sprutal. My wife and I have been been 358 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,719 Speaker 2: quietly complaining about it for years. 359 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 5: It turned up with like a few like last year. 360 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 2: We looked underneath it and the frame was all busted up, 361 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: and they were like books propped up underneath this and stuff, 362 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 2: and we were like, should we just go buy a 363 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 2: mattress like in the middle of the night and just 364 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: like sneaking in here. 365 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 5: Well, that'd be insulting to them. 366 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's not awesome. 367 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 4: That sounds like they could use they could benefit from 368 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 4: the eight sleep system. I'll get that going out there 369 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 4: for the for the you know, the seniors out in 370 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 4: Montanic and I'm going on an eight sleep system. Get 371 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 4: your folks invested in eight sleep. There's a you know, 372 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 4: one partner might run hot, the other partner might run cold. 373 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 4: My wife keeps the thermostat at like seventy five. Oh 374 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 4: my god, attempts to that. We have we have our battles. 375 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 4: So she runs hot I would say, or runs cold, 376 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 4: I should say, and prefers it hot. 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Slash eight sleep before you buy. 405 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 4: True Med is for qualified customers, HSA, FSA, tax savings vary. 406 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: Alrighty, I have a quick question, but that when do 407 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 2: you like if one side's hot cool? 408 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 4: Yeah? 409 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 2: Do you ever like rollover and like your arm gets 410 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 2: all hot with the rest your body is like cold? 411 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: Like is it like reaching in known of an accidentally 412 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: or what? 413 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 4: I haven't I haven't encountered that. 414 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 2: It's okay, I keep it. 415 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 4: You know, we have a king, So I just there's 416 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 4: a there's a solid, solid buffer, uh solid buffer where 417 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 4: this makes me wonder we're going to we have a 418 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 4: lacrosse travel tournament this weekend, just my own my own 419 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 4: personal hell uh and we my wife like we had 420 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 4: to book the hotel like eight months ago some crazy 421 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 4: bullshit like that. And we have one hotel room and 422 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 4: there's six of us and there's two I assume we're king, 423 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 4: but it sounds like they're gonna be queen. Not a king, 424 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 4: but two queen beds, maybe doubles. And we're like in 425 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 4: the hotel's booked because you know, they got these you know, 426 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 4: insane youth sports industrial complex where everybody racist to do 427 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 4: crazy bullshit without asking why or what the purpose is. 428 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 4: So everybody's booked up the hotel and I'm I'm worried 429 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 4: about my sleep. I'm not going to have the issue. 430 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 4: We're gonna be rolling into each other. It's just gonna 431 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 4: be a nightmare. I might just abstain because I also 432 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 4: don't want to go to the lacrosse tournament as well. 433 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: How do you kids do they do? They are they 434 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 2: good at sleeping in the same bed if they have to? 435 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 2: Or do they like kick the crap out of each other. 436 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 4: The ladder the ladder they sway and kick and bounce 437 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 4: and then they start yelling at each other. It's three 438 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 4: in the morning, and then like they might actually start 439 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 4: wailing away on each other like fisticuffs because one's pissed off. 440 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 4: Yeah no, it doesn't go well, so they're gonna be 441 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 4: jammed in together. 442 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: I can see you using your dad voice in the 443 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 2: middle of night, like enough, we are, We're done with this. 444 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 2: Go to sleep. 445 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 5: I'm I'm at my wits end here. 446 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean yeah, goddamn it. It's three in 447 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 4: the morning. Go to sleep. Shut the hell up. Uh yeah, no, 448 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 4: I will do that. 449 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 2: Sorry. 450 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 4: I guess that makes you a bad father than guilty. 451 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 4: Any other Travelers thoughts. Besides Beltgate, there is a notable 452 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 4: absence Roy McElroy. I found it funny is prance around 453 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 4: Birkdale and Sir Nick probably didn't expect to be on 454 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 4: social media. Sir Nick Faldough also happens to be there. 455 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 4: It turns the selfie camera on, he does a little 456 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 4: walk and talk with Rory as the rest of the 457 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 4: tour is playing Thursday at Birkdale. Bob Herrick of The 458 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 4: Daily Drive newsletter formerly your colleague of ESPN, reported he's 459 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 4: been sort of on the case, well, like, how's Roy 460 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 4: going to stay a member? What's going on here? He's 461 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 4: skipped the Travelers. He'd skipped Heritage already the week after. 462 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 4: Excuse me, the Masters. He has reported and talking to 463 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 4: the tour that he will fall short of the minimum 464 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 4: fifteen events that is required to play via the quote 465 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 4: home tour rule, which allows him to get onlimited releases 466 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 4: in Europe and Middle East in exchange for having to 467 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 4: meet the minimum on tour. But there apparently is an out. 468 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 4: The PGA Tour provided this wording from the Player Handbook 469 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 4: that Heroic did not cite in his original report. He said, 470 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 4: quote notwithstanding the above, the Commission, upon application by a 471 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 4: foreign member and for medical reasons or other extraordinary circumstances 472 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 4: that the Commissioner, at his discretion determines to be a 473 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 4: valid reason for not playing in at least fifteen PGA 474 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 4: Tour co sponsored or proved tournaments, may reduce the fifteen 475 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 4: minimum tournament requirement. So that is gobblygook to say, we 476 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 4: can make it up as we go along and there 477 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 4: can be discretionary whatever, Bob Wrights, isn't that convenient. There 478 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 4: was little doubt McElroy would remain a member for next year, 479 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 4: but the tour took issue with the phrasing that it 480 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 4: would be quote bending the rules to make McElroy fully 481 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 4: eligible if he didn't meet the minimum. I assume Eric 482 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 4: wrote bending the rules. Well, you know, if there is 483 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 4: no real fucking rule, maybe you're not. It can't they 484 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 4: are bending the rules. 485 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: Like one of our rules is that we can make 486 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 2: up the rules, so we can't can't possibly be bending 487 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: the rules if our rules allow us to just make 488 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 2: up the rules. 489 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 4: Look, this is the world we'd live in. I get it. 490 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 4: Some things apply to some people. Everything's kind of some 491 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 4: objective you know, maybe Rory, maybe Rory should have face 492 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 4: timed his favorite the commissioner's favorite NFL coach, like Diana 493 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,959 Speaker 4: Rassini getting out of a speeding ticket. Like everything subjective 494 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 4: in this world. I can't like we we you know, 495 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 4: there's different rules and different you know, workarounds. Although you know, 496 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 4: I'm saying we've lost the guardrails more than ever, what's 497 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 4: societally acceptable? 498 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 2: It did not have a Diana Rossini reference. 499 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 4: Today that I mean, that's an ethical issue exceptarate it's 500 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 4: like a straight up ethical issue, like you know, right. 501 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 5: The story was kind of a nothing burger though, like yeah, 502 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 5: time spece. 503 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 2: It was basically just like their opportunity to condescend to 504 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 2: the athletic and be like, these aren't real journalists as if, 505 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: like the people in their opinion pages aren't like a 506 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: complete hacks and elect in so many ways, sorry. 507 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 4: To go, I mean, yeah, I never mind. I was 508 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 4: going to start him up the New York Times sports page, 509 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 4: but we don't even need to get into that anyways. 510 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 4: So Rorys gets a discretionary excuse or discretionary exemption. It 511 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 4: just it's bending the rules. Like, I don't know, you're 512 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 4: gonna be mad about that? Well, then say, you also 513 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 4: the same same outfit that just said, well, Pine Valley's 514 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 4: not a wish list, you know. You just you're just 515 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 4: kind of throwing things out. 516 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 5: There are no rules. It's all just we're making it 517 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 5: up as we go. It's like that, whose line is it? 518 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 2: Anyway? The points don't matter. There are rules. 519 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 520 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 5: The only thing I'll say is like it does on 521 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 5: the surface, Like Rory was the guy who when they 522 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 5: were making up signature events, was like, Hey, everybody's got 523 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 5: to play. This is super important. And now he's basically 524 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 5: be like yo, scre y all. 525 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: But I also think that Rory's has a right to 526 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: sort of feel betrayed by like just the whole apparatus 527 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 2: in some ways, like he was the person who was 528 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 2: doing everything it could to sort of keep other people 529 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 2: from leaving, to keep the tour from you know, buckling 530 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 2: under or the pressure from Live, and then Tour turned 531 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 2: around and was like, yeah, like, thanks for that, but 532 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 2: we're gonna go ahead and just take Saudi money and merge. 533 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 5: And I think R right at that point was like, yeah, 534 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 5: you guys, just go ahead and figure this out. 535 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: I'm no longer a party to any of these high 536 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: level discussions. I'm just gonna go ahead and play where 537 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 2: I like to play. And I honestly think I think 538 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 2: when you pass the threshold of winning twenty times that 539 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 2: you shouldn't have to play a minimum of anything. You 540 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 2: should basically just have the right to be a member 541 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: and go. If you want to play four events a year, 542 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: that's your prerogative. If you don't like it, win twenty 543 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 2: times on tour, that's I mean. I think DJ could 544 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 2: have a great case of coming back from Live being like, 545 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm a lifetime member. I earned enough 546 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 2: victories to be able to come and go as I choose. 547 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: I resigned my membership before I left for Live. If 548 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 2: Live collapses, I should be able to come back and 549 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: play whenever I want, And you could make this dumb 550 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 2: case that Phil Mickelson should be able to do the same, 551 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 2: although they're probably extenuating circumstances. But I just like either 552 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 2: twenty plus wins matters in life. 553 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:07,239 Speaker 4: It doesn't definitely some extenuated circumstances with Phil. I uh, 554 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 4: I agree. Look, I agree with the DJ point. I like, 555 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 4: is Rory clearly like getting preferential treatment? Yes, like that 556 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 4: is happening. Has he earned that? Probably separate debate that 557 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 4: you know, maybe Lanto Griffin or some mule might take 558 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 4: issue with. 559 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 2: I. 560 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 4: This is sort of like he's done his time and 561 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 4: work on the tour. He's he's both worked on behalf 562 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 4: of the tour and personally succeeded there. I think, you know, 563 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 4: if he's still quote unquote supporting the tour, playing it, 564 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 4: but not maybe to the maximum, Like, then you take 565 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 4: it up with the rules, take it up with the 566 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 4: rules and the commissioner. This happens across sports, whether it's 567 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 4: the star gets to travel on a different plane, starting 568 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 4: to get the plan to play all the away games 569 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 4: or things like that. You know, like the the old 570 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 4: head who's you know, put his time in and done this, 571 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 4: that or the other. I is it black and white, 572 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 4: fair or it makes sense? Maybe not, but that's not 573 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 4: the way necessarily the world works. And I think as 574 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 4: long as he's well intentioned about still supporting the tour, right, 575 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 4: it's not like this is some sort of I got 576 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 4: a separate issue with the recent amateur champion and at 577 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 4: Ireland Stewart Griant, like, I don't think there's some scheme 578 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 4: he's running here. Rory to like, oh, I want to 579 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 4: go make a bunch of money elsewhere, but also still 580 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 4: be a tour member and make my mind like, I 581 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 4: don't know that that's necessarily the case. He's just at 582 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 4: a stage in his career where you'd probably go play 583 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 4: Burkedale and prep for that Ivan. 584 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: Rory and Brison can start their own tour and just 585 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: do it on YouTube, you know, a series of matches. 586 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure they'd be get right in the 587 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 2: same car together, you know, turn into a little series. 588 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 4: Egide Taylor, she could write it that that would be good. 589 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 4: Ego eyed front to the program last night yesterday texted 590 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 4: me that Bryson was walking around d C yesterday with 591 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 4: some bro lugging his clubs, his tour bag and going 592 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 4: into the Google like headquarters d c HQ. So Bryson's 593 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 4: in talent. 594 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,719 Speaker 2: She need go right to the source to figure out 595 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: the problem, Jim, and I needs to really be like, 596 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 2: this is this is where it's all gone wrong for you. 597 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 4: A super super nerdy subject, but one that will cause 598 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 4: some discussion I would say in the locker room about 599 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 4: you know, fulfilling your membership requirements. On the Women's PGA 600 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 4: Championship at Hazel Tee, uh Na yn opens with the 601 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 4: sixty three the Creed. She leads by four way out 602 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 4: in front. Nellie Corda quitted herself pretty well. Watched a 603 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 4: good chunk of this in the middle of the middle 604 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 4: of the day Thursday with my daughter, but came in 605 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 4: with the seventy. Kind of was looking she's had a 606 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 4: double late, was looking like it was going to be 607 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 4: a five under. A round made it double late. So 608 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 4: she's two under. That's seven shots back. If Ina Ewan 609 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 4: just keeps running with it like a Wyndham Clark situation, 610 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 4: wired a wire and then there's nothing that they can do. 611 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 4: But I maintain that, you know, three for three is 612 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 4: certainly still within play. Kind of would be one of 613 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 4: the most remarkable stories in sports. I don't know if 614 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 4: it would get the get the run that it should, 615 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 4: but if she's three for three, that should be a 616 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 4: massive moment this weekend or with the ability to go 617 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 4: three for three. 618 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 2: Did you catch any of her press conference or in 619 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 2: the week No. She seems very comfortable with who she 620 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 2: is these days. 621 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 622 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 2: This is not someone who was particularly loved doing media, 623 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: and I think, I honestly think winning to already to 624 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 2: share a particularly the US Open, has sort of like 625 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 2: unburdened her from like this idea that you're having you're 626 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 2: not living up to your potential in some ways, and 627 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 2: now she's sort of like, yeah, like I'm kind of good, 628 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 2: like I you know, she was making fun of herself. 629 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 2: She was telling stories about when she was you know 630 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 2: first you know, first was in the US Open playing 631 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: Sabonic or maybe it's PJA, but the first time she 632 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 2: played a major, I mean, she was great. She was like, 633 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 2: very charming, and I just thought, you know, this is 634 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 2: good for this. If the more comfortable she is with 635 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 2: this kind. 636 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,239 Speaker 4: Of stuff, she also one thing does seems much more 637 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 4: comfortable with that. And this is some armchair psych stuff 638 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 4: or couchs. She seems much more comfortable with all the 639 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 4: adoration she's getting, right, Like she's realizes there's like hundreds, 640 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 4: hundreds of little girls that are there, thousands of girls 641 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 4: that are there in that day just for her and 642 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 4: like all about like wanting to cheer her on. It 643 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 4: seems to be really like be I don't know, reveling 644 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 4: in it, but but feels that and it is sort 645 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 4: of engaging with it and and sort of living up 646 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 4: there her that like, you know, kind of taking on 647 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 4: that role of being sort of an ambassador, even if 648 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 4: you you know, she's not doing YouTube videos or whatever, 649 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 4: but she's certainly it seems like in a very personal, 650 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 4: almost one to one level, super comfortable with the adoration 651 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 4: she's getting. And reportedly from Riviera she was like that 652 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 4: all the way around. 653 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 2: So what are we gonna do if she doesn't win 654 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 2: this one but then wins freaking heavy on and then 655 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 2: the British Uh. 656 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 4: I mean, it's not a hypothetical I'm ready to entertain yet, 657 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 4: but it's not the seasoned slam. I don't know, Like 658 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 4: I know, the USGA will claim that the US Women's 659 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 4: Open is the is the premier krem Dela Creme, and 660 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 4: that's they should. It's their championship. It's the oldest, and 661 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 4: if you don't, the Women's PGA is arguably like the 662 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 4: most significant major in women's golf. Josh Carboner had an 663 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 4: interesting point that, like, look, KPMG along with the PGA 664 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 4: pushed women's golf entirely to a different trata, not just 665 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 4: their own, but the entire sport. The person this week 666 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 4: is up to thirteen million. I think it was like 667 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 4: three and some change almost four when they came here. 668 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 4: Hannah Green won and several years ago, and like thirteen million, 669 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 4: they've elevated the entire sport. I thought that was an 670 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 4: interesting point by Carpenter. So in terms of prestige, whatever, 671 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 4: winning the US the Cox Trophy, the US Women's Open 672 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 4: maybe a different, different kind of prestige, but it's arguably 673 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 4: like if you win for majors and not the Women's PGA. 674 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,720 Speaker 4: I just don't know that I'm calling it the slam. 675 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 4: It's not hypothetical. 676 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 2: I went on, you're not growing the game. You're just 677 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 2: disrespecting the fine tradition of the avon, aren't you. 678 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 4: The Cox Trophy is for the Women's Am though. I 679 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 4: made that not the Women's Open. Sorry, apologize, I'm gonna 680 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 4: get a trophy. Trophy checked on that one by the 681 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 4: USJA folks. Sorry, I I realized that in the moment. 682 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 4: Let's get to news real quick. 683 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 684 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 4: John rab and Turrell hatt and are going to play 685 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 4: the Scottish Open, which is a PGA tour but technically 686 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 4: co sanction, sort of the live filtering to the dp 687 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 4: World Tour. It seems to be happening in greater numbers 688 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 4: this week. We have Joaque Neeman was playing well at 689 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 4: the Italian Open. There's a ton of live guys playing 690 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 4: that Italian Open. And now you're gonna get John Rahm 691 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 4: and Turrell at the Renaissance Club. Any reaction to that? 692 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 2: Not really, Yeah, not really. It's nice to have them 693 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 2: in the mix of more, you know things, more real tournaments. 694 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just I wish I could understand 695 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 2: what the hell's going on wrong? Like why is he 696 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 2: just crashing out of majors like this? It seemed like 697 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 2: he was wink wink, had it figured out and fixed. 698 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 2: At the PGA Championship. He wouldn't share what his secret was, 699 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 2: but he had figured it out and was prep and 700 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 2: and then played really well in the first round of 701 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 2: the US Open and then just completely you know, pulled 702 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 2: the the ripcord from there and when the easy way 703 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 2: that when well, when well, literally while Wyndham was tearing 704 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 2: it up, was kind of coming apart. I I you know, 705 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 2: maybe it's just one bad round whatever, but it just 706 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 2: feels like a lot another lost year for rom Like 707 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 2: how are you you know this is kind of what 708 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 2: we always said, or like you're pissing away five years 709 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 2: of your prime uh for you know, granted for a 710 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 2: lot of money, But I don't know. I mean, I 711 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 2: think it's good the DP World Tour figured out a 712 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 2: solution because it would have been obnoxious to have the 713 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 2: debate of like John not being on the Ryder Cup 714 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 2: this and that. So I'm glad that they have come 715 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 2: to some sort of agreement. I don't you know. I 716 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 2: did hear from some people, uh at the Masters that 717 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 2: not everybody on Team Europe was like like, oh, we 718 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 2: got to have them. There was sort of like if 719 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 2: he doesn't figure this out, so be it. So Europe 720 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 2: feeling pretty cocky about themselves, like that they're they're they're 721 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 2: pretty confident that they got to figure it out. So 722 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 2: I threw something out earlier a week on Twitter. I 723 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,439 Speaker 2: was like, we should just pair Patrick Reed and wind 724 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 2: them in the Ryder Cup and a dare uh and 725 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 2: a lot of people are like, oh, well, that's that 726 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 2: just means the US will lose. Man, the US is 727 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 2: losing anyway, Like this is not It's not like a coincidence. 728 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 2: They've lost for forty years over there, So you got 729 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 2: to try something. Might as well get two of our bigger, 730 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 2: like negative energy knuckleheads out there and just like the 731 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 2: middle finger to the Irish, like walking down the fairways 732 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 2: making birdies that that's maybe one of our only you know, 733 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 2: only shots. 734 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 4: I mean, if the hockey team can win for the 735 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 4: first time since a miracle on ice and the World 736 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 4: Cup team can is looking like game busters although they 737 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 4: lost at the Buzzer last night? 738 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 5: Can Iya did. 739 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,720 Speaker 2: You know that they changed Turkey changed his name to Turkey? 740 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 4: Because I glad you brought this up. Is this like, 741 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 4: I don't want to be insensitive to some sort of 742 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 4: cultural this is how we do it. But I it's 743 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 4: the English broadcast, the Fox, It's the American English broadcast. Yeah, 744 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 4: for my whole life, it's just been Turkey, Turkey, sandwich Turkey. 745 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 4: Is this a recent rebranding? What is going? 746 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 2: Is this. 747 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 4: Always been and we were doing it ron and being 748 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 4: like kind of the the ignorant America. But like, you know, 749 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 4: if if it's some sort of like you know, an 750 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 4: Asian country, are they just pronouncing the characters like from 751 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 4: like if China's in it, it's the American English broadcast. 752 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 4: Maybe I'm getting this into uncomfortable. Why are they called 753 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 4: Turkey I or whatever? It was all night, all night, 754 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 4: it was just turn It was. 755 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 2: Sort of a weird like double standard too. It's like, 756 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 2: why don't we call Spain? 757 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 4: Right, That's what I'm getting that, Like, I don't get it. 758 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 5: All of a sudden we got it honored k totally. 759 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 4: You know. If that's what they want, fine, I just 760 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 4: it's been away for the for the last forty years 761 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 4: my entire life, I don't. 762 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 2: Know, speaking the New York Times, I felt like I 763 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 2: should be reading more than New York Times if I 764 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 2: didn't understand that, like a year they've been jerk instead 765 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 2: of Turkey. 766 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 4: So I'm not Look if I'm not being in such 767 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 4: to hope, I'm not being in such stuff. I remember 768 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 4: when I remember Tiger went to the Turkish Airlines Open 769 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 4: and obviously for an appearance of some significant magnitude, and uh, 770 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 4: I think I think there must be. He was hitting 771 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 4: golf balls drives across some bridge that I think was 772 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 4: was the official point from Europe to Asia or something 773 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 4: like that. That was like, what a what an interesting 774 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 4: moment that was Tiger was Now he's announcing the new 775 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 4: to the Turkish Airlines Open. Had a moment there. Everybody 776 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 4: would go to that and whatever was November they were 777 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 4: rolling out cash. 778 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 2: Now they just give provide hair hair plugs to our 779 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 2: best fading athletes. Len Donovan, looking like a fliggies, played 780 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:17,320 Speaker 2: lacrosse with his like full head of hair. Some haircuts 781 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 2: this week. I this lacrosse thing. You know, you're a 782 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 2: regular lacrosse dad. But all my Montana friends were I 783 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 2: took my daughters out to dinner last night with a 784 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 2: bunch of my high school buddies and they were kind 785 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 2: of grilling them and asking them and see looking at 786 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 2: pictures of their boyfriends on the phone, and my friends Montana, 787 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 2: we're just baffled by the Maryland haircuts, the birds upside down, 788 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:39,399 Speaker 2: bird's nest or whatever. 789 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 5: It is totally unfamiliar with. 790 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 2: This phenomenon out here. Montana lacrosse hair. 791 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's a big thing. Last bit of the 792 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 4: is USO Open ratings I'd say were slightly down. Though 793 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 4: they'll claim they're own this whole big data they I 794 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,720 Speaker 4: think they just we saw even with our own stuff, 795 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 4: ratings behind the Peach Championship. I believe that's the first 796 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 4: time that's happened in a while. I think there's just 797 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 4: a lot going on with the World Cup. They got 798 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,359 Speaker 4: out from under the NBA Finals at least they had 799 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,879 Speaker 4: like the stage from that, But ratings behind the PGA Championship, 800 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 4: So I don't know if you're into ratings talk. Let's 801 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 4: get to T mobile flashback Friday. With T Mobile earlier 802 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 4: this month, they became the official five G network partner 803 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 4: of the USGA and all its national championships, including the 804 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 4: US Open and Women's Open. They have partnered with the 805 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 4: usjreing enhanced video review and communications capability for rules officials 806 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 4: directly to their phones. May have become an handy when 807 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 4: JaMarcus Neman was chucking clubs down the sixth fairway there, 808 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,839 Speaker 4: you never know they were immediate connectivity at T Mobile. Now, 809 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 4: officials across the course have immediate access to HD video 810 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,320 Speaker 4: replay capabilities anywhere when need it. So advanced network solutions 811 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 4: from T Mobile ensure the USGA has access to reliable 812 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 4: connectivity when it matters most at the height of competitions, 813 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 4: as major championships are on the line. We have another 814 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 4: team mode. We We've explored the space of Dustin Johnson's oscillation, wiggle, 815 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,320 Speaker 4: whatever you want to call it. We've explored Bobby Jones, 816 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 4: what was the famous quote that may have been fake? 817 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 4: May have rather rob a bank sooner. 818 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,959 Speaker 5: Rather congratulate me for not robbing a bank. 819 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,760 Speaker 2: I've just been invented by golf writers. 820 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 4: So we've done that. Where are we going today with 821 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,839 Speaker 4: past us open USGA controversies or rules kerfuffles. 822 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to go back to one of golf's 823 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 2: most famous nicknames, TC two Chips Chin, who I love this. 824 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 4: I don't think people of our generation quite comprehend how 825 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 4: significant of an issue this was, or how like what 826 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 4: five alarm fire would be today. 827 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 2: So TC Chen born in Taiwan, grew up there sort 828 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 2: of interested in golf through like hearing the legends of 829 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 2: Trevino and Nicholas and stuff, reading books whatnot. Came became 830 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 2: a turnpro at a very young age and was actually 831 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,439 Speaker 2: one of the first like Chinese players to ever play 832 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 2: professional golf, certainly at a high level. 833 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 5: Became an infamous and people always misuse infamous. 834 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 2: Brennan I was just like teasing a writer at the 835 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 2: US Open that people are always like, oh, I just 836 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 2: want to I can't wait to be infamous. 837 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 5: Whatever, No, you don't want to be infamous. Infamous means 838 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 5: like evil fame. 839 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 2: So if anytime you see someone saying that for something 840 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,799 Speaker 2: you know in they bring out through infamy. That's TC 841 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 2: Chen who became famous for an incident at the nineteen 842 00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 2: eighty five US Open. He is the first guy I 843 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 2: did not know this before doing research, to ever have 844 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 2: an albatross in the US Open. Made that during the 845 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 2: first round hold out of three wood on the first 846 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 2: day from like two fifty four, and it sort of 847 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,959 Speaker 2: vaulted him into the lead of the US Open. 848 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 4: Of course, where we're talking about we're. 849 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 2: Talking about oak Oakland Hills. 850 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 4: Excuse okay, all right, okay, all right, And so. 851 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 5: You know, eighty five this is kind of the end 852 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 5: of the Jack era. 853 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 2: The beginning of you know, the you know, I guess. 854 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 5: What would you say, Crenshaws, Faldo, sort of you know 855 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,280 Speaker 5: Norman that kind. 856 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 2: Of you know, strange that elolution. I guess Norman has 857 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,359 Speaker 2: already been on the scene a little bit at this point. 858 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,759 Speaker 2: And this, you know, back when the US Open was 859 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 2: very like just thick rough. It was kind of more 860 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 2: of like a crap shoot, right Like this was, you know, 861 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,880 Speaker 2: you could get some random winners in this kind of stuff. 862 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 2: And so tc Chin was leading by four strokes on 863 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 2: Sunday on the last day of the US Open. 864 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 5: When he came to it was the. 865 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 2: Sixth hole, the four hundred and fifty six yards something, 866 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 2: which back then was like a monster. And he hit 867 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,880 Speaker 2: a four iron into the fifth hole on Sunday's final 868 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,320 Speaker 2: round and it kind of landed a little short and 869 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 2: into some gnarly gnarly rough and basically tc Chen at 870 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 2: this point he was vibing. He was like, hey, like, 871 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,360 Speaker 2: I'm gonna win the US Open. 872 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 5: Like I'm you know, I'm feeling feeling myself here. 873 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,800 Speaker 2: I'm great. He was leading Andy North and Dave Wilson 874 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 2: and Dave sorry, Ny Bar maybe one other person playing 875 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,879 Speaker 2: really well and he did what if you've ever done 876 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 2: this someone immediately probably throughout TC Chen's name. He tried 877 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,800 Speaker 2: to hit a real like steep kind of shot in 878 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 2: this gnarly rough and the ball rarely popped out, and 879 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 2: as he swung through the club hit the ball for 880 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 2: a second time, and everyone, as you've probably seen the 881 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 2: replay review of it, you can hear the like the 882 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 2: cameras clicking and the ooh because everyone sort of knew 883 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 2: what a what a kind of disastrous thing it was 884 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,239 Speaker 2: for the leader at this time to do this. 885 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,680 Speaker 4: He end up taking an eight. 886 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 2: On the whole because back then rules are different now, 887 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,360 Speaker 2: but back then you had to count your first stroke, 888 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 2: your second stroke, and a penalty stroke on top of it. 889 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 5: Now, if you managed to two chip. 890 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,879 Speaker 2: Things, you just have to count the second stroke, which 891 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 2: kind of to me like opens up a can of 892 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,000 Speaker 2: worms of like what's an intentional second hit? 893 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,120 Speaker 5: Like can you actually like alley oop yourself in some ways? 894 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,239 Speaker 2: Like what if you know? You know that, like you 895 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 2: know the what if you know you can't get the 896 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,840 Speaker 2: ball on the green with like one stroke, but you 897 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,840 Speaker 2: could potentially like bat it onto the green with a 898 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,359 Speaker 2: second stroke. I'm sure if Michelson had this in mind. 899 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 2: He decided to we just revisited that on our live 900 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 2: blog during the US Open. But after TC hit this, 901 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,840 Speaker 2: he basically said, like all of the confidence like just 902 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,439 Speaker 2: sort of ran out of my body. He was still 903 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 2: in the US Open and actually like he only ended 904 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 2: up losing to Andy North by one shot ultimately in 905 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 2: this US Open, but he was basically like it kind 906 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,479 Speaker 2: of wrecked his confidence for for quite a little while. 907 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 2: And as he got older, I would say, like tis 908 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 2: really grew to embrace this. He didn't actually like feel 909 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 2: like a tremendous amount of embarrassment over it. He was 910 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,759 Speaker 2: basically like, you know, if this hadn't happened to me, 911 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,279 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be as famous as I am. No one 912 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 2: wouldn't know who I am, no one to remember me. 913 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 2: I mean, I remember him as a US Open winner. 914 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 4: But uh. 915 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 2: And he actually like when when he he played pretty well, 916 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,240 Speaker 2: He he won a tournament later in life at Riviera, 917 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,680 Speaker 2: he out do Ben Crenshaw down the stretch for his 918 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,440 Speaker 2: only PGA Tour win and was like a solid player 919 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,120 Speaker 2: on the Asian Tour and the Chpan Tour, and basically 920 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 2: like wasn't like when people would be like, oh, it's old, 921 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 2: you know, TC two chips chin. He would just be like, yeah, 922 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 2: that's fine, Like I appreciate that. And his when he 923 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 2: ended up playing back at Oakland Hills on the Senior Tour, 924 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,120 Speaker 2: his he and his son, his son was on the 925 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,359 Speaker 2: bag and his son basically was like, yeah, Like growing up, 926 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,680 Speaker 2: I saw videos and news and media. I went to 927 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,759 Speaker 2: Wikipedia search about my dad and you find out who 928 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,919 Speaker 2: won the tournament, what went wrong. But everybody knows about 929 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 2: that double hit, and I've never had the privilege to 930 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,320 Speaker 2: see it. He says, what makes him more famous is 931 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 2: that people know him through the double chip. It would 932 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 2: be great to go on the fifth hole and see it. 933 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 2: This was like the week of the cer Us Open, 934 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,040 Speaker 2: and he said, you know, I know somebody will ask 935 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 2: me about it, and his dad and his son was 936 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,239 Speaker 2: basically like, yeah, maybe I'll try it. The dad was like, 937 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,280 Speaker 2: you know, it's tough to do. It's not an easy 938 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 2: thing to double hit like that. It was basically like 939 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,359 Speaker 2: had a good sense of humor about it, which I loved. Yeah, 940 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:10,960 Speaker 2: it's you know, and listen, like, I think it's fair 941 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 2: to say that the fact that TC didn't speak a 942 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 2: lot of English, the fact that he was one of 943 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,960 Speaker 2: the first Asian players, the fact that this was certainly 944 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,400 Speaker 2: not a time when the most enlightened press covered golf 945 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:24,359 Speaker 2: in the world. 946 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,400 Speaker 4: I call it Turkey I back then. 947 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, they were, they were kind of He was made 948 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,040 Speaker 5: fun of often. 949 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,560 Speaker 2: Dan Jenkins made a number of like really not very 950 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 2: funny jokes about TC Chen about so, you know, his 951 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 2: his third wedge should say like made in Taiwan. 952 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,239 Speaker 5: That was just for like double hitting things, like really 953 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 5: like kind of like Dan, that's like seeing like. 954 00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,960 Speaker 2: A you know, Pedro Martinez, sort of like an eighty 955 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,160 Speaker 2: two miles no fastball, just like what you know, you 956 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,279 Speaker 2: used to be he used to have used to be 957 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 2: able to cook on this kind of stuff. 958 00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,200 Speaker 4: So, you know, I'm just incredible the incredible kismet of 959 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,480 Speaker 4: his initials being TC and you could call it two 960 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,319 Speaker 4: chip Chen Like it's just that the whole thing came 961 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,080 Speaker 4: together for like this incredible memorial, like a branding of 962 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,720 Speaker 4: the moment right of double chip two chip Chen tc 963 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,960 Speaker 4: Chen and like obviously a very unique sort of penalty 964 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 4: to take in the gun in the in the heat 965 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,040 Speaker 4: of winning a major, leading a major. 966 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I always thought that it was. I don't know 967 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,279 Speaker 2: why I thought this, but it was Jack Nicholas who 968 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,360 Speaker 2: was sort of the beneficiary of TC sheen. But Nicholas 969 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,920 Speaker 2: was no like he wasn't even really in this US 970 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,840 Speaker 2: but at all. It was not had some you Sevvy, 971 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,360 Speaker 2: Tom Kite, Payne Stewart right Floyd. 972 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 4: Not a good leader board, Andy North, Dave Barr was 973 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,120 Speaker 4: the day of bar Canadian who appeared to went to 974 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,640 Speaker 4: Oral Bob won twice on PGA tour Like I don't 975 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,120 Speaker 4: not Dave mar but Dave Barr, TC Chen, Dennis Watson. 976 00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 4: I think that's Zimbabwe. So yeah, not a great leader board. 977 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,239 Speaker 4: And then Andy North, you know, rumble and rumble into 978 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,799 Speaker 4: victory with the double chip going on behind him. 979 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:12,839 Speaker 2: Uh, speaking of a Dave Barr. Actually this I found 980 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:17,840 Speaker 2: this in the research. Another weird rules incident, Dave, excuse me, uh. 981 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,360 Speaker 2: Dennis Watson in the first round had basically like a 982 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,040 Speaker 2: putt that was like right on the edge of the 983 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,120 Speaker 2: hole like and it came to rest, but he thought 984 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,279 Speaker 2: the putt was still moving and so he backed away 985 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,880 Speaker 2: from it, and the the tour basically was like you 986 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,799 Speaker 2: and then the putt dropped in and they gave him 987 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,759 Speaker 2: a two stroke penalty for that uh, and was like 988 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,400 Speaker 2: you waited like they claimed he waited like thirty seconds 989 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,720 Speaker 2: for the putt to drop, and it was like essentially 990 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,239 Speaker 2: like you know, he had dishonored the ten second rule 991 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:49,760 Speaker 2: and so he got hit with a two stroke penalty 992 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 2: and he also finished out out of like, you know, 993 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,640 Speaker 2: two strokes out of you know, the final thing. So 994 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,640 Speaker 2: it was like kind of shocking that there was two 995 00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,320 Speaker 2: major rules controversies in this USOPA. 996 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,360 Speaker 4: Love That, Love That, Hey, that's t Mobile Flashback Friday 997 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,239 Speaker 4: Rules Kerfuffle Friday, Love That Thank you Tea Mobile for 998 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 4: their support Little Mom Popshop helping this podcast along the 999 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,000 Speaker 4: last week last month? Can we do a few golf 1000 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,120 Speaker 4: advice to send us another weekend? I've got a view. 1001 00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,920 Speaker 4: I think that would you'd be good for I did 1002 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,520 Speaker 4: have a bunch in the holster keeps sending them. Summer 1003 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,759 Speaker 4: Friday episodes will be full of golf advice. This comes 1004 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,520 Speaker 4: from a gentleman and a scholar, smart guy. I like 1005 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,640 Speaker 4: a lot forty five two kids, no interested in fighting, 1006 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,880 Speaker 4: but I give Barry Switzer a knuckle sandwich if I 1007 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,160 Speaker 4: had the chance. So it comes from the heartland. Maybe 1008 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,919 Speaker 4: are Texas. I don't know. I live about three hours 1009 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,000 Speaker 4: from a golf course that has in recent years become 1010 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,800 Speaker 4: a darling of the golf architecture community. He says it, 1011 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,520 Speaker 4: but don't say it on air. I have to drive 1012 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,239 Speaker 4: to that area for work for a few times a year, 1013 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,600 Speaker 4: so I usually get to play it one to three 1014 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,600 Speaker 4: times during the golf season. I've noticed that as a 1015 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,319 Speaker 4: golf course's profile is increase, the cars in the parking 1016 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,879 Speaker 4: lot are less local and increasingly frombout a town. As 1017 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,560 Speaker 4: quote golf bro trips are stopping to play it. We're 1018 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,440 Speaker 4: all trying to find the guy who did this, and 1019 00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,360 Speaker 4: I think that might be blood maybe on our hands. Sorry. 1020 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,000 Speaker 4: I was traveling the same area again this week, so 1021 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,680 Speaker 4: I clear an afternoon for my schedule. Went to the 1022 00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,200 Speaker 4: course website to book tea time. There was a single 1023 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,800 Speaker 4: spot available and an ideal time, so I booked it. 1024 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,160 Speaker 4: When I arrived, the guy working the pro shop before 1025 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:23,960 Speaker 4: me that they'd accidentally opened the single and I'd be 1026 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,759 Speaker 4: playing as the fifth and a fivesome with four other 1027 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,760 Speaker 4: guys who knew each other. The rest of the afternoon 1028 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,720 Speaker 4: was booked, so I couldn't move back into another opening 1029 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,880 Speaker 4: not only that, but five minutes into my range session, 1030 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,799 Speaker 4: I overheard that I would actually be in an add 1031 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,400 Speaker 4: on to sixteen guys in four consecutive foursomes on a 1032 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,080 Speaker 4: once in a lifetime golf trip from two time zones away. 1033 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:47,200 Speaker 4: They were considerably younger than me, hammering pre round beers, 1034 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,120 Speaker 4: planning the day's game Vegas, and discussing their shenanigans from 1035 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,319 Speaker 4: the night before the question, I will likely be back 1036 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,000 Speaker 4: at least once before the end of the year and 1037 00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,879 Speaker 4: can cancel my tea time without penalty due to the air, 1038 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,400 Speaker 4: but our he cleared the day to play one of 1039 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,960 Speaker 4: my favorite courses. Do I tagle on as the seventeenth 1040 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,359 Speaker 4: wheel with a bunch of guys who know each other, 1041 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,839 Speaker 4: don't know me, and likely have no interest in hanging 1042 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,640 Speaker 4: out with the random thirteen handicap fifteen years older than them, 1043 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,359 Speaker 4: Or do I cancel my erroneous tea time and play 1044 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,640 Speaker 4: it later this summer without the bust full of bros, 1045 00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,200 Speaker 4: so that they can enjoy their day without the awkward pairing. 1046 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:28,280 Speaker 4: So he's a fifth guy in this pair foursome, considerably 1047 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,080 Speaker 4: younger on a golf trip, and we'll probably be back. 1048 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 4: But he's there already and he's cleared the day. What 1049 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:35,240 Speaker 4: do you think of Kevin? 1050 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I would maybe first explore if 1051 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,440 Speaker 2: I could join the the foursome head of the sixteen 1052 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,040 Speaker 2: some I just abandoned any warm up session I had 1053 00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,080 Speaker 2: in mind and be like you can I Hey, hey, guys, 1054 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,040 Speaker 2: I don't want to mess with your you obviously got 1055 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,360 Speaker 2: a cool thing going on. Like what if I just 1056 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,680 Speaker 2: you know, or like hop onto the back nine or something, 1057 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:00,680 Speaker 2: and then if. 1058 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,799 Speaker 4: The course is already to use to quote PGA Tour 1059 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,920 Speaker 4: bending the rules like making a fivesome. They're making a 1060 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,160 Speaker 4: fivesome here? Could they just not make the fivesome in 1061 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,719 Speaker 4: the preceding game or the preceding tea time that's not 1062 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,640 Speaker 4: the seven Yeah, yeah, it's a fair point. 1063 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,719 Speaker 2: I'd be pretty unhappy, I got to say, with the 1064 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 2: starter with the golf. 1065 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,239 Speaker 4: Now, yeah, sure, the thing going on? 1066 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,479 Speaker 5: Would you do you just go get in the parking 1067 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,360 Speaker 5: lot and be like I'm good, like I'm. 1068 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,279 Speaker 4: Playing the I mean, yeah, I'm accused of being a 1069 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,279 Speaker 4: little too curmudgeonly and cynical. I just like, no, thank you, 1070 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,400 Speaker 4: But I think I might go I might go opposite here. 1071 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,319 Speaker 4: I might say, f it we ball, and you got 1072 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,560 Speaker 4: to deal with the awkwardness because I don't give shit. 1073 00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,160 Speaker 4: I'm fine and play golf. I've cleared you know how 1074 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,840 Speaker 4: little golf I get to play this day at this 1075 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,880 Speaker 4: point in my life. Where if I've cleared it and 1076 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,480 Speaker 4: set it up and I'm literally on the tee essentially 1077 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,680 Speaker 4: ready to go, and there's some awkward circumstances, I'm going 1078 00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,600 Speaker 4: to play properly, and you know, I'll do my best 1079 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,279 Speaker 4: to to meet these guys in the middle, you know, 1080 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,000 Speaker 4: try to understand whatever little tiktoks are filming and stuff 1081 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,440 Speaker 4: out there, and you know where they're good, good apparel, 1082 00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,839 Speaker 4: whatever they got going on. And uh, yeah, I'm gonna 1083 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,520 Speaker 4: play golf if I've done all the arrangements because I 1084 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:16,960 Speaker 4: just don't get to play that much. 1085 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,239 Speaker 2: So what if they're like just mashing beers, you know, 1086 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,719 Speaker 2: smoking Jay's. Do you like do you try to fit in? 1087 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,880 Speaker 2: You know when in Rome? Do you just really like 1088 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,480 Speaker 2: go in? Or you just try to play your game? 1089 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,960 Speaker 4: I mean, given that I probably have like other obligations 1090 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,120 Speaker 4: and responsibilities that they don't have. Later, I know I'm 1091 00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,440 Speaker 4: probably not, but I will cast no judgment on them 1092 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:38,160 Speaker 4: as well as they're not. 1093 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you went to BC, you grew up in Ohio. 1094 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,120 Speaker 2: These soft boys couldn't hang if you've decided to, really, 1095 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,480 Speaker 2: you know, stretch your legs and get back to old days. 1096 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,279 Speaker 4: I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't 1097 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:50,840 Speaker 4: want to brag. 1098 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:52,040 Speaker 2: I mean. 1099 00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,960 Speaker 4: Kids today today, they don't know. I mean, come on, 1100 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:04,360 Speaker 4: you know, oh yeah, you do you want to? Do 1101 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,359 Speaker 4: you want to drink thirty six bush lights? I don't 1102 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:14,600 Speaker 4: think so. I don't think you could one more golf trip, commissioner. 1103 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,440 Speaker 4: I think this is a good one for you as well. 1104 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,320 Speaker 4: Fifty six years old. Last fight was in eighth grade. 1105 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,720 Speaker 4: I sleep very well. So are we now adding this 1106 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,400 Speaker 4: to the intro? I sleep well. 1107 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:24,960 Speaker 2: Sleep. 1108 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:26,960 Speaker 4: If you don't, you can go to eight sleep dot 1109 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:31,360 Speaker 4: com slash yeah, yeah, all right. For a standard golf trip, 1110 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,800 Speaker 4: eight guys over two to three days, playing three to 1111 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,840 Speaker 4: four rounds at a resort. What is the appropriate recognition 1112 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,680 Speaker 4: for the commissioner of the group. On one hand, they 1113 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,320 Speaker 4: do a lot of work putting things together, scoring and communication. 1114 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,800 Speaker 4: On the other hand, they have absolute authority on pairings 1115 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,360 Speaker 4: and rulings. I guess I don't know all that works. 1116 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,760 Speaker 4: Do they have absolute authority. Some say with the responsibility, 1117 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,720 Speaker 4: you get the power. Some say, with all the work, 1118 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,520 Speaker 4: the commission deserves a gift for you drink gift card 1119 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,960 Speaker 4: or a dozen balls? What say you? 1120 00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:05,240 Speaker 2: Uh? 1121 00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,520 Speaker 4: You are you? You do a frequent well at least 1122 00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,520 Speaker 4: at one annual buyers, Do you have a commissioner who 1123 00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,919 Speaker 4: is clearly doing a little more work than everybody else? 1124 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:14,040 Speaker 2: Go? 1125 00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,720 Speaker 5: We kind of divide our commissioner duties between two of 1126 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:18,200 Speaker 5: our guys. 1127 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,840 Speaker 2: One guy is handles all the handicaps, uh, and one 1128 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,040 Speaker 2: guy kind of handles the travel planning and stuff. 1129 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,040 Speaker 5: We definitely do not reward them with any kind of gifts. 1130 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:32,200 Speaker 2: In fact, we just revel in giving them shit about 1131 00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,680 Speaker 2: all of their jobs and constantly tell them that we 1132 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,760 Speaker 2: could be doing a better job. So it is we're 1133 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,640 Speaker 2: not the forgiving. Like I think they would be shocked 1134 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,800 Speaker 2: if we like rolled up with a gift of some kind. 1135 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,200 Speaker 2: In fact, you know, maybe like uh, you know, because 1136 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,720 Speaker 2: because they're not Diana Orsini's, they would not accept the gift, 1137 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,120 Speaker 2: so that you know, they would maintain their ethics ethical 1138 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,960 Speaker 2: standards for future trip selection. I mean, yeah, I don't think. 1139 00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,480 Speaker 2: I think if you're like really good buddies. There's sort 1140 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,000 Speaker 2: of more. The gift is like getting the ship and 1141 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,000 Speaker 2: knowing from your friends and knowing that you've done a 1142 00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,280 Speaker 2: decent job. You don't need like a box of probi 1143 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,440 Speaker 2: ones to or maximize or whatever. 1144 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:23,120 Speaker 4: I do think, Yeah, I actualizes could see. I do agree. 1145 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,160 Speaker 4: I think the power and the authority that you that's 1146 00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:32,480 Speaker 4: sort of whether it's it's explicit or sort of informal, 1147 00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,040 Speaker 4: is that is what you get for for going the 1148 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,720 Speaker 4: extra mile. I could say I don't do buddies trips. 1149 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,800 Speaker 4: I was commissioner of my kids school basketball program, like 1150 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,120 Speaker 4: three hundred and fifty kids, and you know, I didn't 1151 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,360 Speaker 4: expect anything, but I sure as hell was quick to 1152 00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,520 Speaker 4: say go pound sand or I could I could be 1153 00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,560 Speaker 4: the final decision maker, and so yeah, it was pretty thankless. 1154 00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,920 Speaker 4: But you do have the power essentially at the end 1155 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,400 Speaker 4: to be like no, go to hell or no, absolutely 1156 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,960 Speaker 4: no chance, that's an insane request, or no, I'm not 1157 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,800 Speaker 4: even gonna acknowledge your email and ignore it kind of thing. 1158 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,160 Speaker 4: So there is the power that comes with being commissioner, 1159 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:12,840 Speaker 4: and I think that's what you get even if I. 1160 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,200 Speaker 2: Mean, look, if you're a nice classic group of fellas, 1161 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,080 Speaker 2: like get a gift for your guy. We in my group, 1162 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,000 Speaker 2: we divide everything up into so like what we call committees, 1163 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,240 Speaker 2: and we have one guy who we like that the 1164 01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,360 Speaker 2: joke is like he's an idiot, and so we put 1165 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,600 Speaker 2: him on charge of the snacks committee, and then we 1166 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,440 Speaker 2: just make fun of the snacks that he gets, like 1167 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,360 Speaker 2: all year round, like he just constantly roasting him for 1168 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,360 Speaker 2: his snack selection. I like that. 1169 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,640 Speaker 4: I like that. All Right, I'm gonna give me. You 1170 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,560 Speaker 4: gotta go. You have to go in Montana? Do you 1171 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:41,920 Speaker 4: have to go? 1172 01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:46,960 Speaker 2: Like you know ranch I meant or you know, absolutely, 1173 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,720 Speaker 2: But I definitely will sit there for another few minutes 1174 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:50,200 Speaker 2: if you're. 1175 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,680 Speaker 4: I've got there's a lot of good ones. I want 1176 01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,680 Speaker 4: people to send more. That's just golf a vice at 1177 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,920 Speaker 4: gmail dot com. I want what's our it's incumed upon 1178 01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,360 Speaker 4: us to get through these. This is a great segment. Uh. 1179 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:04,280 Speaker 4: This is from the lady of d SGS. Apparently thirty 1180 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,120 Speaker 4: five year old female, absolutely no interest in fighting. I've 1181 01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,400 Speaker 4: played golf on and off for about seven years. My 1182 01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,960 Speaker 4: golf consists mostly of spurts where I play regularly with 1183 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:13,720 Speaker 4: my partner for a few months and life and work 1184 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,560 Speaker 4: at busy and you understand if he trades me in 1185 01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,440 Speaker 4: for friends or solo rounds. I'm not a great golfer, 1186 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,800 Speaker 4: but I make contact and hit my driver reasonably well. 1187 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,080 Speaker 4: I also took my dad's advice to heart years ago. 1188 01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,640 Speaker 4: Nobody cares if you're good, but they do care if 1189 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,280 Speaker 4: you're slow. So I pick up when necessary, keep things moving, 1190 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,360 Speaker 4: and try not to be a burden on the golf course. 1191 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,680 Speaker 4: Just don't Yeah, that's a good priority, but don't let 1192 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:38,680 Speaker 4: it overwhelm your entire mental approach to the game. Now 1193 01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,560 Speaker 4: for the advice part. This is the hot take, very 1194 01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,200 Speaker 4: firm stance. Now for the advice part. I cannot stand 1195 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,800 Speaker 4: the idea of people riding along during a round of golf, 1196 01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:54,280 Speaker 4: so non playing riding a long or whether it's a 1197 01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,080 Speaker 4: casual weekend round or discussion about a golf trip, there's 1198 01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,680 Speaker 4: always someone who says, quote, oh, I'll just ride along 1199 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,760 Speaker 4: in the heart. Whenever this comes up, I usually point 1200 01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,200 Speaker 4: out that it's not really a thing. Then everyone looks 1201 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,960 Speaker 4: at me like I'm the rude one. In the past, 1202 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,080 Speaker 4: we've been paired with people whose partners are riding along 1203 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,680 Speaker 4: in the cart. I'm not sure if it's because I'm 1204 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,560 Speaker 4: not particularly good and suddenly feel like I'm playing in 1205 01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,760 Speaker 4: front of spectators instead of just with the other golfers 1206 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,640 Speaker 4: or what. But I just don't like it. It almost 1207 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,960 Speaker 4: feels like having someone on the basketball court the whole 1208 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,920 Speaker 4: game who isn't actually playing. If you want to be 1209 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,880 Speaker 4: a part of the game, learn to play, or if 1210 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,520 Speaker 4: you just want to watch golf it's on TV every weekend. 1211 01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,080 Speaker 4: The thing is I seem to react much more strongly 1212 01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,280 Speaker 4: to this than anyone else. I would agree with that. 1213 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,280 Speaker 4: So my question is, am I overreacting? Is this a 1214 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,040 Speaker 4: perfectly normal thing that I really need to get over 1215 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,560 Speaker 4: or am I right? And we should stop encouraging this? 1216 01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:45,240 Speaker 1: Ah? 1217 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,320 Speaker 4: I love you know, a man or woman in this 1218 01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,440 Speaker 4: case must have a code, and I love that you 1219 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,720 Speaker 4: have a code and this is your personal corner you're on. 1220 01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,280 Speaker 4: Don't I think you're overreacting? Would be I initiate, I think, 1221 01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:00,400 Speaker 4: But I. 1222 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,480 Speaker 2: Will say it's a weird energy when like you are, 1223 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,800 Speaker 2: you show up as a foursome, you know, maybe maybe 1224 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,560 Speaker 2: like this guy who got paired, When you get thrown 1225 01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,600 Speaker 2: into the mix and then there's like it's often like 1226 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,800 Speaker 2: a spouse who's just sitting there like in the cart, 1227 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,240 Speaker 2: reading a book, and you don't know whether I can 1228 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,400 Speaker 2: talk with her, whether she doesn't want to talk to you. 1229 01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,880 Speaker 5: Whether it's you know, you want to like make the 1230 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:21,920 Speaker 5: experience enjoyable. 1231 01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:23,840 Speaker 2: Oh how you doing? Like you know you don't play? 1232 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,600 Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah. What's what's going on? You know 1233 01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,760 Speaker 2: it's it's a little bit strange. So I get the 1234 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:33,919 Speaker 2: the feeling about it. Ah, what do you what would 1235 01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:34,120 Speaker 2: you do? 1236 01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,480 Speaker 4: I think she's too like in tense about this, too 1237 01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:43,560 Speaker 4: righte hot a stance. I I who cares? They're just there. 1238 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,200 Speaker 4: I get it. Maybe it adds in that energy. It 1239 01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,600 Speaker 4: does change a little bit of the dynamic. Like I like, 1240 01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,720 Speaker 4: clearly if they are becoming obnoxious in some way, like 1241 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,880 Speaker 4: trying to point out give you a swing advice, or 1242 01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,840 Speaker 4: point out the rules, or like talking basically at all. 1243 01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,480 Speaker 4: In my instance, you talk at all, I would be annoyed. 1244 01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:04,400 Speaker 2: There reading the book. You're good. 1245 01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, what's the problem. If they want to be outside 1246 01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,040 Speaker 4: and hang out with their friends or family and but 1247 01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,200 Speaker 4: don't want to play golf. I think that's great. I think, 1248 01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:18,120 Speaker 4: uh yeah, I think that's great. My issue sometimes there's 1249 01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,160 Speaker 4: county courses around here that like we'll try to charge 1250 01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,000 Speaker 4: charge Like my wife who's like in flip flaps just 1251 01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,640 Speaker 4: not playing golf and just watching her kids and me 1252 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,360 Speaker 4: or something on a night out. Well that's like, you know, 1253 01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,320 Speaker 4: twenty five bucks to just walk on the course. I'll 1254 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:37,320 Speaker 4: tell them to go pound stand. I don't I don't 1255 01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,280 Speaker 4: have an issue with this at all. 1256 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,280 Speaker 2: Isn't this I've never played a Pebble Beach, but I've 1257 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,000 Speaker 2: heard this is a thing. At Pebble there's like just 1258 01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,640 Speaker 2: an entire throng of like family members, like you know, 1259 01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:51,280 Speaker 2: because it's pdeographers like you know, weddings whatever, like walking 1260 01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,520 Speaker 2: along with you that eage group at Pebble. That's why 1261 01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,520 Speaker 2: it takes six hours, because there's like fifteen people who 1262 01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:58,320 Speaker 2: have to move with the. 1263 01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,320 Speaker 4: I mean, then they're has to be some that we 1264 01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,560 Speaker 4: live in a society with rules. There has to be 1265 01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:08,000 Speaker 4: some kind of common sense line that's crossed there. 1266 01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,520 Speaker 2: Can I tell you about some insane thing that happened 1267 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:15,880 Speaker 2: to me this yesterday? Yeah, So going to Montana Daughters, 1268 01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,400 Speaker 2: you know, she likes golf a lot. She probably aware 1269 01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,480 Speaker 2: bring her up, you know, all the time, and she's like, hey, 1270 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,280 Speaker 2: i'd like to go hit some balls. So it's like, 1271 01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,200 Speaker 2: all right, well let me take it to the old 1272 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,760 Speaker 2: University of Montana nine hole driving range golf course. And 1273 01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,480 Speaker 2: you know, I caidn't get out. They had like a 1274 01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,440 Speaker 2: leak going on. But we just go hit on the range. 1275 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:36,560 Speaker 2: And it's a grass range. You know. 1276 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,680 Speaker 5: It's like there's there's maybe like one or two grass 1277 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:39,920 Speaker 5: ranges in all Maryland and. 1278 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,680 Speaker 4: Public prop to personal golf advice on the I like this. Yes, 1279 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,600 Speaker 4: it's great fact pattern. I like it. 1280 01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,520 Speaker 2: So we were hitting balls. We get a couple of 1281 01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:55,800 Speaker 2: buckets and gentleman rolls up to the range, big guy, 1282 01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:01,440 Speaker 2: full sleeve tattoos, bigger gentleman, and he's got like a 1283 01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,480 Speaker 2: baby in his arms. Like I'm not I would say 1284 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,440 Speaker 2: this kid was not more than six months old. 1285 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,480 Speaker 4: House house plant territory, okay, and. 1286 01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,760 Speaker 2: The kids being kind of fussy, and I'm like, oh, 1287 01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,480 Speaker 2: this is interesting, Like what's what's gonna happen here? 1288 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,439 Speaker 5: He just like plops the kid down in the rough. 1289 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:25,040 Speaker 4: Uh scroller no, like no troll or no nothing. All right. 1290 01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,400 Speaker 2: Kid is like, you know, like a turtle that has 1291 01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,840 Speaker 2: been like turnover on its back. He can't like wiggle 1292 01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:36,200 Speaker 2: around they can't, and kid is like he just starts 1293 01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:40,480 Speaker 2: hitting balls. Uh and like kids fussing. Occasionally he'll go 1294 01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,640 Speaker 2: goes over there and like throws the kid another like 1295 01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,560 Speaker 2: driver head cover, uh to hit, you know, to distract it. 1296 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:49,280 Speaker 5: And it's hitting some more balls. 1297 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,960 Speaker 2: It's it's pretty sunny out Brendan like, I can't don't 1298 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,720 Speaker 2: imagine this child had sunscreen on it. Uh, they're raising 1299 01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,320 Speaker 2: him tough in Montana. Like, I'm thinking this kid's gonna 1300 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,840 Speaker 2: you know, if he crawl, he'd be out there like 1301 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,760 Speaker 2: at the one fifty yard marker at this point, but 1302 01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,760 Speaker 2: he can't move, and guys just working through his bag, 1303 01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,760 Speaker 2: you know, hidden wedges hit and I'm like, I mean, 1304 01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:10,880 Speaker 2: I guess like you. 1305 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,440 Speaker 4: Know wild the Great West out there where you just 1306 01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,080 Speaker 4: kind of like the kids are raised a raised like 1307 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:18,080 Speaker 4: wolves and just love it. 1308 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,439 Speaker 5: Can you bring a baby to driving range? 1309 01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:22,720 Speaker 2: Like is that? Uh? 1310 01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:23,840 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1311 01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,760 Speaker 2: Baby? No no leash, no strollers, nothing, like. 1312 01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,200 Speaker 4: They didn't tie him up to the you know, the 1313 01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:36,520 Speaker 4: hitting bay. Yeah, you can bring a baby, it's just 1314 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,080 Speaker 4: the range. Like if people have issues with that now, 1315 01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,600 Speaker 4: there should be probably some form of enclosure. It feels 1316 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:46,080 Speaker 4: like and that being said, Bigger fellow tatted sleeves. I'm 1317 01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,200 Speaker 4: in no hurry to give this person parenting advice or 1318 01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,680 Speaker 4: pointers or corrective action about what may be happening. 1319 01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,840 Speaker 5: Uh I on the East coast of which we are 1320 01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:57,840 Speaker 5: adopted sons. 1321 01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,560 Speaker 2: I'm not sure vative sons that someone would come booking 1322 01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,240 Speaker 2: out of the clubhouse and be like this is not allowed, 1323 01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,840 Speaker 2: Like you cannot do this. This is a liability issue. 1324 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,080 Speaker 2: Shout out to Montana. I think gives zero fox. They're 1325 01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:12,120 Speaker 2: just like whatever. 1326 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:16,400 Speaker 4: About Bennett prancing around the travelers. Bennett was kind of 1327 01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,240 Speaker 4: had his own bag. Now Bennett can walk, kind of talk. 1328 01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:24,200 Speaker 4: I guess at this point he was out there on 1329 01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,320 Speaker 4: the range. Nobody was given the number one in the world. 1330 01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:28,240 Speaker 4: Then he's true. 1331 01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:30,479 Speaker 2: Bennett has no chance to not grow up to be 1332 01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,439 Speaker 2: a golf bro. I mean he is just you know it. 1333 01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:35,840 Speaker 2: This is not a kid who's gonna play out of 1334 01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:39,760 Speaker 2: public golf throughout his life. I don't think. Maybe maybe 1335 01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,320 Speaker 2: if they play the US Open someday at a public golf. 1336 01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:46,080 Speaker 4: Caurs that's good. I like that. That's an interesting encounter. 1337 01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,760 Speaker 4: I think it's fine as long as the kid's not 1338 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,439 Speaker 4: in danger from the golf. The adjacent golf going on 1339 01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:56,519 Speaker 4: the sunburn maybe a separate danger, but I think it's okay. 1340 01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,840 Speaker 4: Did you say something or you Oh no, I'm not. 1341 01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,880 Speaker 5: Too much of a libertarian doing to yourself, you know. 1342 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,280 Speaker 2: I reserve back to my most libertarian self. 1343 01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,240 Speaker 4: Love that, Love that all right. That does it for 1344 01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:15,400 Speaker 4: this Friday episode, Kevin, thank you for the great flashback 1345 01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:20,799 Speaker 4: on tc Chen for talking you know travelers Rory Women's PGA, 1346 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,560 Speaker 4: and answered some golf advice questions. Enjoy your weekend in 1347 01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,400 Speaker 4: Montana fourth of July comment, great time to be out there. 1348 01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,400 Speaker 4: I love it all right. Thank you. Talk to you 1349 01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:30,240 Speaker 4: guys on Monday.