WEBVTT - Court is Adjourned 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:05.720 If you thought four hours a day, minutes a week 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:09.240 was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants of 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.879 the old Republic, the sole fashion of fairness. He treats 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:15.760 crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the rich 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:19.840 pill poppers in the penthouse, the clearing House of Hot 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.560 takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:27.800 Ben Maller starts right now. That it does, and we 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:34.480 are in the air everywhere the vast power of podcasting, 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.920 the global reach of the I Heart podcast network, and 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.960 we thank you for downloading and subscribing to this particular podcast, 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.280 a spinoff of the radio show The Overnight Show, The 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:49.440 Ben Maller Show on Fox Sports Radio. This a standalone 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.160 show as a spinoff, and we are here now eight 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:57.520 days a week because four hours are clearly not enough, 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:04.240 and joined yet again by David Gascon for better or worse, 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.560 He is right over there standing. Uh. I don't know 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:09.640 if this could be like a standing eight count, Ben, 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:13.200 but welcome to the month of July. And uh we 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:18.120 are bearing for another month of the coronavirus. And uh, 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.400 I guess we what we do? We're dipping our toes 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.040 back in the deep end of the pool today. Well, 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:25.479 I've got my tap dance shoes on because we're gonna 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:27.480 go do a little tap dance on the third rail. 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.679 Oh Mad, it's the third rail. So I'm gonna warn 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.280 you right now if you are triggered by political conversation 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:38.119 and related to sports, this is probably not the podcast 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.640 for you. Okay. If you don't want to hear that, 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:42.440 I understand. Not everyone wants to hear that. I know 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:43.720 a lot of people tell me they listen to the 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:45.800 show to get away from that. I get it, I 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.200 completely understand. But if you're into it and you're you 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:53.080 want to hear some interesting opinions, I am very excited 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.320 about this an interview podcast. You probably know that from 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.240 looking at it. Uh. And we are going to be 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.639 joined here in a couple of minutes by the great 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:04.559 Lee Terrell. Uh. Now, Leo Terrell and I have had 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:08.400 a similar radio games. Now he's had more cool stuff 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:11.160 happened in his life. He's an attorney, you know, he's 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.480 he's actually lived the life I've just been in radio. 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:17.160 But Leo very successful civil rights attorney. Fact, he calls 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.720 himself the fair minded civil rights attorney. And he was 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.760 a teacher and he's had a lot of interesting things 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.480 that he's done in his life. Uh, and he's done 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.960 very well in education and whatnot. And uh he started 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:34.880 at k ABC in Los Angeles around the time I 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.639 started at the mighty six ninety in San Diego, which 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.800 is our we learned from Hacksall, uh when when he 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:43.680 was on a few while back that it's you know, 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:45.640 seventies seven thousand watch it was really in l A 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.520 station slash you know, San Diego slash l A uh 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:50.840 six night. But anyway, so uh we we've kind of 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:52.680 been on the radio at the same time here. I've 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:57.560 appreciated from Afar Leo's work. I love good radio. I'm 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:00.320 a radio nerd. I love people that do radio well. 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.359 And I you know, guess on my pet peeve is 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.640 when people do layup line radio and you know Mount 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.160 Rushmore and he just don't put any effort into it. 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.760 I never got that sense from Leo when I've listened 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.120 to him over the years. He's always been prepared. He's 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:16.800 got passionate opinions, and that to me, that's the most 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.160 entertaining thing to listen to. Us what I look forward 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:21.840 to listening to when I tune into a radio show. Yeah, 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:25.040 it's it's fascinating because you know how he connected. He 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:29.640 actually has know my dad for decades. And two things 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:31.400 that you know, the chief had told me was he 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:33.920 said something about Leo that you need to know is 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:37.600 that one he listens and two he cares. And as 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:39.640 the first things that popped up to me, Obviously, if 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.200 you're gonna be if you're gonna be dynamic and radio, 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:44.600 you've gotta be able to do those two things because 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:46.840 unlike sports, where you can, like you said, mail and 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.560 it at time to do box score, radio, politics and 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:53.600 social issues, no chance. Yeah, you can't. You can't do it. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.160 You'll be be called out. And and Leo, I feel 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:59.200 like he's getting more and more popular. Is his his 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.640 reach is print is getting bigger and bigger. I know 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.720 he's a contributor at Fox News. He's done some other 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:08.960 TV stuff sporadically, but I feel like this last couple 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.520 of weeks he's really been at the forefront a lot 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:13.960 of these issues that we talk about because they're loosely 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.159 related to sports. Yeah, but I think one of the 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.560 main reasons outside of what he's doing in terms of 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.760 content is if you've noticed Ben he has a Lavalier 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.800 microphone and he has a wonderful backdrop in his studio. 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.159 Wait wait, wait, wait wait, I got I got a 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.400 I'm looking behind me here. I got a beautiful blue 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:39.400 background with the Fox Sports Radio logo and my logo. 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.400 Although I didn't notice the way the people at the 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:44.559 company made the logo not to go down a rabbit 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.960 hole here is uh they made the logo. So where 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.320 I sit and you can pretty much only see the 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.279 Fox Sports Radio logo and not not the Ben Mallard 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:56.400 Show logo. I find. Somebody pointed that out to me, said, 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:57.960 you know, you can't really see your logo. You can 0:04:58.000 --> 0:04:59.760 only see the Fox Sports radiogo. And I'm like, no, no, 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.440 my it was there. It's just my head is covering 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.200 it up. And so but anyway, and before we get 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.080 into leo here, I did want to promote us because 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.000 all about us. This is a fourth US Live weekend. 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.600 If you if you want a special cameo, shout out 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.800 you know, I can tell you how patriotic I am 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.880 and wrap myself in the flag if you want on cameo. 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.520 If you want that this weekend for the holiday, we 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.560 are available. We're both on Cameo. I'm on cameo dot com. 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:25.920 Just search my name Ben Mallord. Love to do it 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.120 if you're super fan, if that's something you would be 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.920 interested in. It's not free, but still uh not that much. 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:33.560 Is certainly cheaper than most of the people that are 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.240 on Cameo that are just outrageous some of them. I mean, 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.279 let's be honest here, some of the prices are over 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.960 the top. And guest and you're on there also, yes, yes, 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.960 you can follow me on there, David David J. Gasconers 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.479 through the search and of course Twitter. I'm on there 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.920 at David Jay gascon On Instagram is at Dave gascon Yeah, 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:51.599 and I'm on all the social media should know that 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.120 by now, but maybe not Ben Maller on Twitter. That's 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.880 Ben Maller on Twitter, Instagram, Ben Maller on Fox and 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.400 Facebook Ben Maller Show. And again, if you see those 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:02.840 videos from time to time, please watch him. That helps 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.719 out get those views up. I know it seems ridiculous, 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:09.200 but the people in our in our company do look 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.280 at those kind of things, so that doesn't help us out. 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.920 But right now, enough of us, guess on, let's get 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:18.039 right into it and we welcome in on the high 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.400 Speed Hotline. I don't know we have a name for. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:22.080 This is just the phone. He just called in on 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:23.839 the phone. How about this we could call line once? 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.719 This one actually works. We have a line one. Hey man, 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:29.880 I am very excited to talk to with We have 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.080 not spoken before, but as I said earlier, a big 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.640 fan of his work on radio specifically and also television. 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.920 I've seen a lot of him recently. We welcome in 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:42.360 Leo Terrell, who joins us here on the Fifth Hour 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:45.880 with Ben Maller and David Guest Gun and Leo. Big fan. 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.120 I've enjoyed you over there. What have you been up to? Well? Then, 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.000 first of all, thank you and Dave thanks for having me. Uh, 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.200 you're right. I started on radio in about the nineties, 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.159 mid nineties, and Uh, as much as I am a lawyer, 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.320 I loved so I've listened to you over the years, 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.360 and I listened to Dave, and it's just a privilege 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.520 to be on the air with you guys. All right, Well, 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.400 it's it's good to have an attorney on because I 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.080 feel like we need an attorney with what's going on 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:13.680 in the world. You know, we have a deal in 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.680 the sports world obviously, and that has turned very political. 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.239 And it's great to have a lawyer on like yourself 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.240 here to to help enlighten us here. But from a 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.960 legal perspective, do you think it makes sense for the 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:27.600 sports league such as the NFL, the NBA, NASCAR to 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:31.960 make the transition into the political world. You know what 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:35.040 My answer is, yes and no. I think they intersect. 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.040 I mean, first of all, people love sports. I love 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.280 sports to escape from the rat race of the world 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.400 politics and all the anger. It's a way to escape. 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.280 I make the flip side of that, and you experienced 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.120 it with Kaepernick, and you see what's happening with NASCAR 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:55.080 is that the situation is that these people, these athletes, 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.880 are public figures and they have a conscious to have 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.760 an opinion, and they can make a tremendous pack. Now 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:04.280 the question is the fan. Does the fan want to 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.320 hear the opinion of of Bubba Wallace or a Colin Kaepernick? 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.600 And to me, as a civil rights attorney, is an 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:14.239 individual issue. For me, I'd rather keep politics out of sports. 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.560 But hey, we can't deny it. It exists and it's 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:22.240 going to be a continuation of of athletes. Give me 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:27.960 opinions on uh civil issues such as the George Floyd murdered. Yeah, 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.600 and you know, continuing down that line, Leo, I mean, 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:34.280 Drew Brees of the Saints said something that many people 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:37.800 felt was benign about the national anthem, and he just 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:42.360 got trampled on for saying that, and he issued three apologies, 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:44.840 at least three apologies. What did you make of that 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:48.200 whole scenario where he had to apologize multiple times for 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.760 something many people felt it was not something you need 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.440 to apologize for. Thank you very much for asking that question, Drew. 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:56.880 If you're listening to me, you should not apologize. You 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.400 have a right. Drew Brees had a right to express 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.320 his opinion. And let me be clear because there's this, 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.640 and this is your initial question about you know, should 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.920 athletes talk about politics and all this stuff? Hey, there 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:12.319 is a lot of different opinions on black lives. Now, 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.280 let me give you a perfect example. I don't support 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.640 black lives. I do not support black lives because they 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:22.160 don't support all black lives, for example, black police officers 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.600 who are murdered. Now I get away with saying that 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.679 because I'm black. What would have happened if Drew Brees 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.040 would have said that, and he oh, he just his 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.280 statement was benign. But what it would have happened if 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.439 Drew Brees would have said Leo Trull just said, he 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:39.760 would have been annihilated. And I think that's wrong. I 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.920 think athletes have a right to express opinions and this 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:47.800 sort of gang mentality. Oh, oh my gosh, how dare you? Hey? 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:49.600 If any athletes wants to talk to me why I 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.360 oppose Black Lives matter, give me a call. But I 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:56.600 think Drew Brees was unjustly harassed. Be sure to catch 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.320 live editions of The Ben Miller Show weekdays at two 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.960 a m. Eastern eleven pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.760 and the I Heart Radio app. Yeah, and going down 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:09.920 that same same rabbit hole, Leo, we saw it with 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.960 an NBA broadcaster, Grant Napier, who had been calling Sacramento 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:16.600 Kings games for like thirty years, and he said all 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:20.840 lives matter, and that sent the mob off. And have 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.120 we now gotten to the point where you can't say 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.440 anything and it has the thought police taken over here 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:31.280 and there's no different opinions? Leo, Yeah, I think you have. 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.280 And that and that Sacramento announcer in my opinion was 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:38.120 treated unfairly. All lives matter, I'll say it. All lives matter. 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.400 And here's the problem. There is like a mindset and 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:43.320 this is what the problem is. Let's here's the elephant 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:47.520 the room. I I compliment Black Lives Matter for dominating 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.160 social media, but what they have done is they have 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:55.000 hijacked the issue of equality in this country. And you 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:59.920 got corporations, you got athletes, you got companies just contributing 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.320 millions and millions of dollars, and you have Black Lives 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:09.480 Matter have basically stifle individuals athletes such as Drew Breeds. Yeah, 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:13.160 now it's up in sacrament They've stifled their speech. And 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.960 as a result, if you don't agree with this perception 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.840 of Black Lives Matter in totality, you're gonna be punished. 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.000 And again, the original issue here is this. When I 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:26.200 listened to sports, when I listened to basketball and football 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:30.520 and baseball, I don't want to deal with politics and 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.720 political issues. I want to escape, and now that seems 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.760 to be impossible. Leo. I mean credential wise, I don't 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.800 know if a lot of the listeners know your background, 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.680 know your resume, but I know you went to cal State, 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.920 Domingus Hills. You've got a master's from Pepperdine and then 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.000 you've got your j d from from u C. L A. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:51.160 So you're used to a bruin. A lot of people 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:53.400 here in southern California might not like that, especially if 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:59.480 they're Trojan friens Um hey ring basketball, Trojan football. The 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.040 next actually in right of the bread and butter um, 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:06.800 what's your what's your thought process behind what the NBA? 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.400 Because you look at all the leagues, well, it's the NBA, 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.880 Major League Baseball, the NFL, the NHL, and now NASCAR. 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.160 But with the NBA and how progressive they are, they've 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.679 had the thought and they flowed the idea with the 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:23.080 players and the Players Association that they want to once 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:26.160 the season does resume in Orlando, is that they want 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.640 to have the players have an opportunity to not have 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:32.840 their last names on their jerseys but have either social issues, 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:37.080 social causes, or charity funds that are are named on 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.400 the back of their jerseys. What's your thought behind all that? 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.800 And do you feel that that is beneficial for the 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:48.000 sport and and for the general public. Uh, let me 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:53.160 let me answer that question. Absolutely not. It's a horrible idea. 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.040 And again, I'm a civil rights attorney. I got a 0:12:56.040 --> 0:13:00.000 lot of credibility to speak on issues involving police miscons 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.080 I have handled some of the biggest police cases in 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:07.160 this country for the last twenty five years. And and 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:11.880 this this attempt to basically among the NBA players to 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:17.320 hijack the NBA and turn into a social conscious issue 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.240 when in fact they don't even really know what they're 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.680 talking about. Again, you know, you know, we got this 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:28.360 horrible situation of George Floyd being murdered, but this this 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.679 leap in logic that oh my gosh, police officers are 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.760 racist throughout the entire country. I will submit to you 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:40.800 the following fact that in democratic cities Chicago, l A, Baltimore, Washington, 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:46.160 gul who's running the city minorities, people of color. So 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:50.400 back to the social issue, whoever is thinking about this, 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.920 they don't understand what the real issue is. I can 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:59.480 tell you right now, NBA, help me develop great schools 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:04.640 in the minority community. School education is the civil rights issue, 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:09.880 not police misconduct. So this this symbolic issue of wearing 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:14.720 social justice issues on the back of your jersey. That's 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.680 a great PR stunt, But it doesn't accomplish anything, and 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.400 a defeats again the original question you asked me, I 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:25.480 want to go watch basketball to escape from problems in 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:28.200 heading not to see it in my face. You know, 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.760 it's it's fastened that you brought that up with the 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.160 education system because I had the chance after we had 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.960 originally taught and I had a chat with what the chief. 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:38.720 I had a chat with my dad a few days 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.880 ago and asked him, you know, background wise that you 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.880 guys you know connected, and he told me a fascinating 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.200 case that you guys were a part of. And then 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.760 he had mentioned something interesting when he was working in 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:54.080 the Southeastern Division and you had a lot of contacts 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.960 and people you knew and Watts, and he told me 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:01.240 a fascinating story about how these black and these mothers 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:07.480 would put their kids in in bathtubs at night so 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:13.320 they can sleep with protection because there'd be guns sprang 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.440 bullets all over the place when these kids are going 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:20.280 to bed at night. And it was fascinating to me. 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.520 What he had told me is that kids would go 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:26.400 to school and the first hour they learned nothing, and 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.560 the last hour of the day in school they learned 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.600 nothing because they were worried about what happened the night before, 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.640 and they were worried about what's going to happen at 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.200 night when they go home, when they're simply trying to survive. 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.840 And my question, my question to you for Lee is 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.040 this is that there aren't players and there are athletes 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.200 like Ben's talked about this a lot with Kobe Bryant 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.280 for his well renowned as he was, most of the 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.760 charity work he did behind the scenes. So my question is, 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.400 do you feel like enough of these athletes do enough 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.480 for their communities to make sure that they can get 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.320 some of the benefits of what they have done professionally 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:05.040 and obviouacy financially. Let me think about that. Give me 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.840 a say, hell, no, they haven't done nothing, because what 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:13.000 you just described goes on every day. That's why, here's 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.880 another news flash. People of color love the police in 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.240 the community. You know why it is that buffer zone 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:23.240 between them and the criminals. They love the police in 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:27.560 community of color. And have they done enough could you imagine? Look, 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:29.880 let's be clear again, I'm gonna be very honest with you. 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:34.320 African Americans dominated NBA basketball. They make millions of billions 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:38.080 of dollars they're branded. Could you imagine if they put 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:44.080 some money into education, improve the school system. The reason 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.320 why the three of us are talking right now because 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.040 we went to school, we went to college, we got 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:52.760 an education, and we have been able to pull ourselves 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.440 up through education. And what I'm saying if these it's 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:01.280 everyone from the NBA listen to this podcast, please stop 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:03.440 worrying about putting your name on the back of a 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:07.040 jersey for branding your own personal benefit. If you really 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:11.800 care about people of color, improve the school system. Education 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:15.439 is the new civil rights issue. Athletes. Be sure to 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.280 catch live editions of The Ben Miller Show weekdays at 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:22.280 two a m. Eastern, eleven p m. Pacific and LEO. 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:27.080 We've heard a lot of athletes recently, not not a ton, 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:28.520 but a few that have said, you know, I don't 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.040 know if I want to even play. We've heard Dwight Howard, 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.680 some NBA guys say that until there's major change, that 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.680 they feel like they're uncomfortable playing their sports because their 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.560 entertainment for the masses and all that. In your opinion, 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:44.840 what do you think they actually want to see happen 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.800 before they'd be happy playing? Because I've I've heard a 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.840 lot of random statements, but I haven't heard any specifics 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.119 on what really needs to happen for them to be comfortable. 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:56.439 You know, I'll tell you right now. Let's set aside 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.000 the pandemic, and you know, they say they don't want 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:03.320 to play the until things change in society. Now what 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:06.639 I find amazing when I hear them say this, I 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:12.680 hear I'm hearing black multimillionaires basically sitting there and saying, 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.920 you know, I want things to change. Are they see 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:20.960 discrimination and police misconduct every day? Are they reflecting their 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.520 views of what their personal experiencing, or are they guessing 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.520 what's going on out in the communities of color because 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.840 they know there's a total disconnect there. I'm scratching my head. 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.280 Because they don't live in the community any longer. They're 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:38.199 insulated from all the issues that they're troubled by. So 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.120 all these athletes who are not going to play, they're 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:44.240 gonna go back to their big mansions and their multiple 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:48.240 cards and relax, And they don't say the data in 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:52.320 day out problems of the people who they allegedly are 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.159 concerned with. I find that hard to believe, and I 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:58.439 think it's very disingenuous. And all they're doing is drinking 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:03.120 the cool aid that we gotta change this racist system 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:05.760 that exists. Let me be as clear as possible, because 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:10.240 this systematic discrimination, institutionalized racism. Athletes, let me tell you 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.800 right now, this is not the nineteen sixties. This is 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:17.320 not Bull Connor, Lexter Maddox, George Wallace, the German Shepherds 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:21.480 of going after black folks at dining areas. That doesn't exist. 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:26.440 This is where you have athletes, superstar celebrities of all 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:30.560 different colors, a black president for eight years part of 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:34.280 the system. So stop playing that game. There are pockets 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:38.520 of racism. I agree, That's why I'm still working. But 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:43.880 come on, athletes from the NBA, NFL, m MLB, they're 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.480 facing racism, give me a give me a break. Come on, well, 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:51.159 and Leo following that up, how much heat are you taking? 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.120 I mean as a black guy, and I know we've 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:56.680 seen a few other people who have crossed the line, 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:58.600 if you will, and they take a lot of crap. 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:00.960 Are you taking a lot of crap for your position 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.919 on this? How? How have people been treated me? You know? 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.320 One of the reason why I've always been self employed 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:10.640 so that I wouldn't have to worry about economic pressure. 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.119 A self employeed lawyer for thirty years, I don't have 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.000 to worry about going into the office. And the boss said, hey, man, 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.160 I just don't like what you said on Ben Mallard 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:23.840 and David Gascone's UH podcast. You're gonna wabout you go 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.840 so economically, I'm not worried as far as and I 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.679 have credibility on the left on this so called you 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:33.960 know discrimination, So I have tremendous credibility answer your questions 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:36.720 and by taking some heat, Yeah, does it bother me? No, 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.600 hear that Drew Brees. It doesn't bother me because I 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:44.240 can sleep well, it's my conscious. It's clear. I challenge 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:48.560 debate anyone on the issues that I'm a articulating on 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.720 this podcast because I know, I know what I'm talking about. 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.360 I'm a civil rights lawyer for thirty years, and you've 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:58.680 got all these athletes, non athletes, talking about civil rights. 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.240 Show me your credentials. I'll debate anytime you want to, 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:05.480 on the on the arena floor, downtown city hall or 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.359 the middle of the street. So no, I'm getting heat, 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:11.880 but I'm not bothered by it. I want more heat. Leo. 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.399 I guess. The one question is when you mentioned athletes, 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:18.000 and even if you cross over to celebrities, they're all 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:22.200 wealthy and they all have incredible comfort from obviously their 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:25.760 opportunities and what they've credit for themselves. Who do you 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:28.000 think or what do you think is the driving force 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.679 behind this with these athletes, Because as you mentioned, you know, 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.359 the thought of giving money away or a thought of, 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:36.440 you know, providing money for a charity or for a 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:38.879 cause is one thing, but to actually support it and 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.480 to be intelligent to have knowledge behind it is a 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:44.360 completely other thing. So why do you think or who 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:46.199 do you think is kind of pushing these buttons for 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:48.480 these athletes? And who do you think is steering the 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:51.840 ship for them? A good question and it's easy answer. 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:56.560 They're insulated by yes people and easy yes people want 0:21:56.640 --> 0:22:00.399 to uh our only focus on perception. Again, I go 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:03.159