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Speaker 1: Ben Maller starts right now. That it does, and we

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Speaker 1: a spinoff of the radio show The Overnight Show, The

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Speaker 1: Ben Maller Show on Fox Sports Radio. This a standalone

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Speaker 1: show as a spinoff, and we are here now eight

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Speaker 1: but welcome to the month of July. And uh we

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Speaker 1: if I'm wrong on that. Um, what was your first love?

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Speaker 1: Were you a football guy? Or you a basketball guy?

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Speaker 1: Or baseball? Like? Where did you fall in love with first?

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you right now. First of all, I

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Speaker 1: love sports more than you guys. Okay, okay, that's okay. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna say that, that means that Ben and

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Speaker 1: I love politics more than you. Let me tell you.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask I'm want to ask you a question.

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Speaker 1: All I wanted to do was become a short stop

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Speaker 1: like Mori Wills. That's all I wanted to do in

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Speaker 1: my life. And I and and to Baseball was my

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Speaker 1: number one favorite old time sports. And and then it

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Speaker 1: transitioned to football in the seventies with Bras Shaw and

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Speaker 1: the Steelers, and then it transitions in the eighties to

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Speaker 1: Magic and the Lakers in basketball. So I basically grew

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Speaker 1: up loving baseball. And really I'm really a three sports person. Baseball, basketball, football,

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Speaker 1: I like the Olympics. I like track and feel. By

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Speaker 1: the way, let me brag a little bit, because, like

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Speaker 1: I said, I love sports. On February one, February nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty seven, Muhammad Ali fought a guy for fifteen rounds

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Speaker 1: the Houston nast Dome. His name was Ernie Terrell. I repeat,

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Speaker 1: Ernie Terrell. Do your research. That's my cousin. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. Yes, fourth, guys, Yes, I love sports.

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Speaker 1: I love boxing. Well, see the reason why I was

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Speaker 1: asking is this is that you know, a few years

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Speaker 1: ago I coached in Compton. I actually coached junior college

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Speaker 1: football Compton College, and part of Major League Baseball's Inner

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Speaker 1: City programs is that they helped build a legit baseball

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Speaker 1: diamond in the city of Compton on Compton Camp, Compton's campus.

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Speaker 1: A few days ago, Ian Desmond of the Colorado Rockies

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Speaker 1: what he experienced, and part of it was the lack

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Speaker 1: of engagement with black youth in the game of baseball.

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Speaker 1: Have have you experienced that? And do you see that

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Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles? Because when do you think about baseball?

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Speaker 1: At least for me, I think about cal State Fullerton,

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Speaker 1: I think Long Beach State, I think U c l A.

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Speaker 1: I think pepper Dyne I think you see Irvine even

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Speaker 1: think Sandy was state. So it's a hot bed for

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Speaker 1: talent here in southern California. But do you think we

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Speaker 1: get enough here from the youth. I think don't we

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Speaker 1: get We have, you know, the Dodgers here, and I

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Speaker 1: l A. I didn't. I don't feel that it's something

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Speaker 1: that uh, people of color are not made up or

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Speaker 1: don't have opportunities to pursue. I think it's I think

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Speaker 1: it's a hotbed of talent here. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: matter of choice. I think right now that the choice

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Speaker 1: in southern California is basically football and basketball. But opportunities, definitely,

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Speaker 1: definitely they exist for baseball and you know, this pursuit

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Speaker 1: or you know, trying to recruit. I think it's the

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Speaker 1: issue is really the preference of the of the students

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Speaker 1: in the community, and they prefer basketball and football. But

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Speaker 1: I do want to say something on this topic. You know,

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Speaker 1: I would prefer if you asked me. As much as

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Speaker 1: sports has gotten a lot of athletes out of the

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Speaker 1: community and have gone on to bigger and better things,

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Speaker 1: you know, if they're gonna put a nice football still

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Speaker 1: or a basketball diamond in the in the in in

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Speaker 1: the community of color. Can you improve the school against

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Speaker 1: the education aspect? You guys know as well as I do.

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Speaker 1: Athletics is a short term career. And you know I'm

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Speaker 1: practicing law. I could practice law forever. I got twenty

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Speaker 1: five years in the bank. I could feel I can

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Speaker 1: go out and teach right now. And so I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at and you guys know the percentages of athletes who

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Speaker 1: actually make it to make it to the big time.

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Speaker 1: We want to make sure these athletes have an alternative

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Speaker 1: two sports. And that's what Smith. That goes back to

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Speaker 1: education again. Be sure to catch live editions of The

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Speaker 1: Ben Meller Show weekdays at two a m. Eastern eleven

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Speaker 1: pm Pacific. Well and Leo following that, I mean, we've

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Speaker 1: had the war on police, which apparently is going on

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Speaker 1: right now, but what about a war on education? When,

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Speaker 1: as you've said, as a teacher, what what would you

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Speaker 1: what are a couple of points you would throw out

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Speaker 1: that need to be done to improve the education in

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Speaker 1: the inner city, in the in the black community. What

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Speaker 1: tangibly can these athletes do that would make a dramatic difference.

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Speaker 1: Thank you NBA, Lebron, Uh, Chris Paul, all you guys

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Speaker 1: on T and T in all of these states. So

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Speaker 1: let me tell what we should do. Uh, give people

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Speaker 1: of color choice, I mean choice, not sell the kool

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Speaker 1: aid that public schools are great institutions. They're not. They're horrible. Now,

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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. I went to a public school.

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Speaker 1: But give individuals a choice between public schools and private

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Speaker 1: schools and charter school make it competitive, give an economic incentive.

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Speaker 1: This is what I could imagine. I would imagine a

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Speaker 1: high school or elementary school. The faculty are professors, college professors.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it would just be amazing what you know

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Speaker 1: as well as I do. Kids can learn so much

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Speaker 1: at a young age. And that to me, Uh, Chris Paul, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, Lebron, Adam Silver. Improve

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Speaker 1: the qualities of schools. Just challenge public schools. Drive that

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Speaker 1: unions out of there. I'm sorry being now, I'm being political.

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Speaker 1: The unions are just so detrimental to improving schools in

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Speaker 1: minority areas. That's number one. That's what I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: pushing for the rest of my life. Do you think

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Speaker 1: it hurts us or helps us that certain universities now

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Speaker 1: are are actually getting rid of the s A T.

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Speaker 1: I think I think it's an insult. I love the

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Speaker 1: innerdized test. And let me tell you what I'm talking about. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I went to u c. L A Law school. I

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Speaker 1: took the California State Bar, the hardest bar in the country.

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Speaker 1: Wait before you get in, before you get anything else, LEO,

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Speaker 1: when you took the California State Bar, how much did

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Speaker 1: it cost then? Because I know it's over a thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars now and it's three days, let me tell you

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Speaker 1: about if it's If memories serves me correct, it may

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Speaker 1: have been anywhere between three or four year dollars. And

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Speaker 1: I may be wrong. I just don't remember. But but

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Speaker 1: I took the California State Bar, and this black man

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Speaker 1: past the California State Bar on the first try, and

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Speaker 1: and and and and all. A standardized test provised is

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Speaker 1: is a level of qualification and competency to eliminate the

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Speaker 1: s a T. To eliminate standardized tests, it gives you

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Speaker 1: a level playing field. And trust me, and I took

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Speaker 1: the this California State Bard thirty some nine years ago,

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Speaker 1: and so I'm i'm I'm against eliminating standardized test. And

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Speaker 1: let me just throw this out because it's gonna happen

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Speaker 1: in California. They's putting on the bill on the legislation

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Speaker 1: um the eliminate just to reinstitute affirmative action. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: I'm a civil rights journey I believe in the equality,

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Speaker 1: not preferential treatment. This is not nineteen sixty Again, I

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Speaker 1: got these three. Also, if NBA players build up schools

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Speaker 1: in the inner city, those those black and brown kids

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Speaker 1: would be passing the s a T becoming doctors and

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Speaker 1: lawyers in great numbers. Yeah, and I'm gonna go out.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned your your relative there, your cousin with Muhammad Ali.

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Speaker 1: But some people, so some people are comparing Colin Kaepernick

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Speaker 1: to Mohammed Ali. Where are you on that? There's a

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Speaker 1: Kaepernick has been turned into a deity by certain factions.

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Speaker 1: Where are you on the Kaepernick story? Thank you for

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Speaker 1: asking that question. Uh, it is an insult two Mom

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Speaker 1: Ali's family and everyone who knows the accomplishments of Muhammad

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Speaker 1: Ali to put Colin Kaepernick to even in that category,

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Speaker 1: that's that's an insult. Again, I get the way I

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Speaker 1: get to say that because I guess my color shameful.

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Speaker 1: Everyone should be able to say what I'm saying if

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Speaker 1: they steel that way. Now, let's let me go on

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Speaker 1: and explain why why I say this, uh, this, this assumption.

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you again, there are bad police officers.

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Speaker 1: Don't dispute that. But when Kaepernick uh presentation the racial

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Speaker 1: injustice among police departments, I don't buy him. I don't buy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what his motives was. He has a

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Speaker 1: right to express his motive, but I don't buy his

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Speaker 1: motive that he was protesting this massive across the nation,

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Speaker 1: uh police misconduct we's saying in Chicago, l A. Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: If Mr Kaepernick listened to your podcast, I'd like to

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Speaker 1: talk to him about it. He is a creature of

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Speaker 1: public perception and his timing. He had the perfect storm

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Speaker 1: four years ago. He came out he was a lone ranger.

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Speaker 1: He's been he's been black ball, which I think is

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Speaker 1: wrong by the NFL. And then the George Floyd situation.

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Speaker 1: Guess what people did. Oh, he's right, No, No, he's

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Speaker 1: not right, because what happened in Minneapolis was three was

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Speaker 1: one rogue police officer with three other knitwith and they

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Speaker 1: murder a black man. But guess what the public perception

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Speaker 1: this if nineteen sixty all over again and everybody said, oh,

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Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick is right. No, Colin Kaepernick is still wrong.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, he's a big man now because

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Speaker 1: he just pointed George Floyd and said, look, see I

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Speaker 1: was right. And when Goodell uh said, oh, black lives matter,

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Speaker 1: well again, there was a black retired captain in Saint

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Speaker 1: Louis who was murdered. To send me a pond shop,

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Speaker 1: I didn't see Colin Kaepernick there. I didn't see al

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Speaker 1: sharpened there. I didn't see black lives matter there. But

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Speaker 1: he's his life. He's a black man. See that's that's

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Speaker 1: the hypocrisy of all this. And Drew Brees, if you're listening,

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Speaker 1: take back your apology. Well absolutely, I agree with you

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Speaker 1: on that. I think the apology was ridiculous. But Leo,

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Speaker 1: what about Lebron? We want to go back to Lebron

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Speaker 1: because some people are some people around his circle or

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Speaker 1: saying this is a future politician, This is a guy

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Speaker 1: that somebody could run for president. You're in the political world,

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Speaker 1: how do you think he would do as a politician?

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Speaker 1: Lebron James. I think there's, uh, there's two key elements

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Speaker 1: to being a good politician. You gotta have a good

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Speaker 1: heart where people really believe that you care about them.

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Speaker 1: You gotta have a good head, And I think Lebron

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Speaker 1: James has a great heart, and I think he needs

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Speaker 1: to have someone you know, I told you he was

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Speaker 1: insulated with a lot of yes people around him. People

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Speaker 1: inner circle with people to keep him inform of facts,

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Speaker 1: information and come up with a position because you know,

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Speaker 1: I would disagree with Michael Jordan's years ago he said

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Speaker 1: demographic Republicans both by nikes. Now, I think there's a

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Speaker 1: place for for athletes if they want to pursue the

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Speaker 1: plitical ram, but just don't do it based on your

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Speaker 1: people who will follow you because of their association by

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Speaker 1: a tremendous potential a lot of upside if he goes

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Speaker 1: the political route, but surround himselves with people who have

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Speaker 1: And Leo is gonna ask you a question on that note,

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Speaker 1: because Lebron and some of the other stars in the

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Speaker 1: NBA are forming themselves a a voting rights group. If

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Speaker 1: you're the commissioner, Adam Silver, who has been progressive and

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Speaker 1: push the envelope a little bit and to get out

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Speaker 1: there into the into the communities, what do you do

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Speaker 1: and how do you as as commissioner the NBA. I

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Speaker 1: know it's a it's a it's a tight tight walk

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Speaker 1: because you're obviously doing's best for the league, what's best

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Speaker 1: for the owners, but also you're gonna look out for

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Speaker 1: your players too. So when you have, like you said,

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Speaker 1: an insulated group like this, some might perceive that as

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Speaker 1: Lebron's just getting people that want to follow him to

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Speaker 1: the voting you know, to the voting balance. Um, how

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Speaker 1: do you advise these guys then if they don't have

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Speaker 1: the kind of pushback that you were offering for other individuals,

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Speaker 1: that challenge you I think first of all, Silver, You're right,

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Speaker 1: he's employed by the owners. They hire him, and I

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Speaker 1: think Silver has a lot of credibility Donald Sterling situation.

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Speaker 1: I think he has a lot of credibility as far

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Speaker 1: as being decisive, also having the listening ear of the player.

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Speaker 1: But you know, this is the line that he has

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Speaker 1: to draw and and and the players have to understand

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Speaker 1: what their role is. The NBA unlike the other leagues,

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Speaker 1: and you guys would probably agree with this, I hope

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Speaker 1: is that it is player dominated, unlike the NFL where

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Speaker 1: the owner's control. So there is a a position that

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Speaker 1: Adam Silver and the players reps with Lebron and Chris

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Speaker 1: Paul and they have to work for the total betterment

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Speaker 1: of not only what the NBA stands for, but this

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Speaker 1: idea of going beyond sports into other areas. I have

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Speaker 1: a problem with that. Yeah, and Leo, I guess we'll

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Speaker 1: leave you on this. I saw the other day that

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Speaker 1: President Trump retweated a video that you were in the

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Speaker 1: other night on on Fox that I know. Trump is

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Speaker 1: very controversial, obviously, that's pretty cool though, to have the

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Speaker 1: president of the United States UH tweet that out. How

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Speaker 1: did that feel? I was, I was, I would listen

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Speaker 1: to me. I was, first of all, very happy. I

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Speaker 1: think what I said in the tweet that the the video,

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Speaker 1: I believe. I believe that you know, I love this country,

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Speaker 1: and I think that there's been a lot of pandering

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Speaker 1: going on. And what bothers me is that the a

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Speaker 1: lot of people are manipulating, exploiting the George Floyd situation.

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Speaker 1: For the President of the United States to retweet something

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Speaker 1: that I participated in about this country, UH was a

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Speaker 1: great honor. And UH. I think the president right now

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Speaker 1: is UH is a person trying to establish law and

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Speaker 1: order in this country. And unfortunately, because we're in a

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Speaker 1: political season, UH, he's not any help from the other party,

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Speaker 1: And I think that creates a very unusual election this

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Speaker 1: upcoming year. And I think that Uh, we had the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: the riots, the loss of the Great Kobe Bryant. This

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Speaker 1: has been one of the most unusual years ever in

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Speaker 1: my life. And we still have about four or five

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Speaker 1: months left. Absolutely, Leo, thank you for your time, big fan.

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Speaker 1: Love hearing you on the radio, seeing you on TV,

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Speaker 1: and continued success. And man, I want to say that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, because I love sports and just

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Speaker 1: to talk about sports, politics and life. This is probably

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Speaker 1: when I really enjoyed the interview. Thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for having me, Leil, thanks for coming on with us.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Take care, have a good day.