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Speaker 1: You realize if you go see a symphony play Beethoven's fifth,

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Speaker 1: you're watching a Beethoven cover band. Right, it's one more thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm one more thing.

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Speaker 1: I've always liked that show, I know. But before we

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Speaker 1: get to Beethoven, Katie, you mentioned you watched the Menendez

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Speaker 1: brother series. Is that anything.

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Speaker 2: I have not finished it yet. I've gotten through the

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Speaker 2: first three episodes. Is it pretty good? It's yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: really good. It it starts to get really sexual though.

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Speaker 1: Well that's so, I don't remember what we knew at

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Speaker 1: the time and what we just found out recently. But

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Speaker 1: the reason that evil Giscone in la is talking about,

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Speaker 1: you know, looking at this new evidence, and some of

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Speaker 1: the original lawyers think the Menendez brothers should get out,

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Speaker 1: and Gascone I think said today that they could be

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Speaker 1: out in time for the holidays. It's I need to

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Speaker 1: take a look at this series. I mean, it was,

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Speaker 1: you know, is a story that got lot of America's attention.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the horrible idea of you know, your kids

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Speaker 1: killing you like that in such a violent way, right,

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Speaker 1: But now the new information is there was so much

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Speaker 1: horrible sex abuse coming from.

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Speaker 2: Dad, Yeah, coming from dad and there were a couple

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Speaker 2: of scenes that I've seen so far where the brothers

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Speaker 2: get really graphic and are explaining what exactly happened to

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Speaker 2: them on multiple occasions.

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Speaker 1: Wow, And that'd be something if they get out after

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Speaker 1: decades of being in prison and we decide, eh.

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Speaker 2: Hey, if the kids aren't around it, I would say,

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Speaker 2: big time watch it.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, And I know a number of people who've

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Speaker 1: gotten pulled into it and really enjoyed it. Okay. So

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Speaker 1: over the weekend I got into Beethoven pretty heavy. This

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Speaker 1: book that I had started reading a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: I got back into an audio form about Beethoven's Ninth.

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Speaker 1: The name of the book is the Ninth, and it's

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Speaker 1: about what a lot of critics consider the greatest symphony

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Speaker 1: ever written. Whether that is true or not, I don't

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Speaker 1: know from Beethoven. And it's about the life and times,

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Speaker 1: and it's really just about what it was, what it's

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Speaker 1: like in the world in eighteen twenty four, and what

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Speaker 1: Beethoven was like and Vienna was like in all this

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Speaker 1: different sort of stuff. But here's one part that I

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Speaker 1: wanted to pass along that I thought was pretty entertaining.

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Speaker 1: This is a made up conversation by the author, but

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Speaker 1: it's made up, but it's pieced together ideas from various

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Speaker 1: accounts that other people I mean, so it's pieced together

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Speaker 1: from real stuff, other people saying this is the way

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Speaker 1: Beethoven talked, and he just put together these different fragments

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Speaker 3: And then coming up after that what has become my

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Speaker 3: favorite show business story of all time involving Ludvig Vaughn.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic and the fact that he was deaf is really interesting.

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Speaker 1: That he composed so many of these great symphonies deaf

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Speaker 1: about how when the first episode of the Ninth I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's up there on stage, somebody else is conducting it

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Speaker 1: because he can't hear, and he's there on stage kind

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Speaker 1: it's being played well. And then he didn't know at

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Speaker 1: the end if people liked it or not. And the

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Speaker 1: person with him made him turn around so we could

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Speaker 1: see that people were clapping because other as he didn't

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Speaker 1: have any idea, isn't that wild?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Anyway, here's Beethoven and it includes the term Astrians. So

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Speaker 1: he's in Austria, Vienna, Austria where they perform it for

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Speaker 1: the first time, and he wrote it and he has

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Speaker 1: him astrians as in like a holes. It's a play

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Speaker 1: on words, you know, right, well, it's a good one.

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Speaker 1: And his friend Schindler, who's also a composer. But of

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Speaker 1: no note, Really, where's that ass Schindler. I can't find

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Speaker 1: my black frock coat. Maybe he knows where it is.

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Speaker 1: It seems I'm doomed to be surrounded by cretans and thieves,

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Speaker 1: unworthy of breathing the same air that I breathe. I'm hungry,

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Speaker 1: but I don't want to eat anything now. My nerves

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Speaker 3: I've had days like that.

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Speaker 1: This damned concert. If it only it brings in enough

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Speaker 1: money to keep my head above water for the next

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Speaker 1: few months. I can't bear this constant, eternal scrounging for money.

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Speaker 1: I who have given so much to people I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have let myself be persuaded to give this symphony's performance here.

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Speaker 1: These horrible astrians are we Reverend Admires and Disciples or

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Speaker 1: whatever it was these shitheads wrote about me. He can't

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Speaker 1: other symphonies were performed here, and that's why they convinced me.

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Speaker 1: And he goes on and on like that. He's always

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Speaker 1: constantly worried about shitting himself. He hates he hates everybody

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Speaker 1: they don't even deserve to have his music. He's constantly

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Speaker 1: are yes, he's constantly broke and angry about that, and

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Speaker 1: he's mean to everybody. Oh, and he lives in filth.

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Speaker 1: His apartment is just full of filth, old food, and

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Speaker 1: dirty clothes, and it's just It was an interesting look

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Speaker 1: you know, the marble bust sitting on a piano.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've read a fair amount about Beethoven

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Speaker 3: through the years. I am a great fan of his music.

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Speaker 3: Jack asked me, Oh, I'll finish the thought before we

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Speaker 3: go off on that tangent. But yes, he is a towering,

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Speaker 3: creative genius. I've known a few, no, not as towering,

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Speaker 3: but creative geniuses, and they're all weird as hell. It

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Speaker 1: Bitter, superior, shitting.

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Speaker 3: Son of a bitch is not that surprising. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: what's it like to have a brain that could compose?

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Speaker 3: I mean people talk about the symphonies or the quartets.

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Speaker 3: My favorite Beetholl I love the symphonies, but is probably

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Speaker 3: the piano trios that have piano, violin and cello. They're exquisite.

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Speaker 3: You asked me during the show, what's a good place

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Speaker 3: we talked about Depastoralo, the pastoral Symphony. It's brilliant and

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Speaker 3: full of all sorts of hummable melodies. But the piano

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Speaker 3: trios are just amazing.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, So he's headed off to the concert the first

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Speaker 1: performance of the ninth and if.

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Speaker 3: You want to know the ultimate recording, it's an Ashkenazi

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Speaker 3: farroh and is it yo yo man cello. It might

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Speaker 3: be anyway, it's wonderful, look for it.

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Speaker 1: So they're headed over to the theater for the performance,

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Speaker 1: and is a nephew who he adopted as his own son.

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Speaker 1: Karl is with him, and Carl, you keep an eye

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Speaker 1: on the people taking the money. They're all fiebes. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's go play for these beggars, slaves and clods. I

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Speaker 1: soar above them as my music source, above my contemporaries.

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Speaker 1: We exist on different planes. And then he says, is

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Speaker 1: he's headed out the door for the crowd, lack for confidence.

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Speaker 1: As he's hitting out the door for the crowd that

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Speaker 1: he hates, he quotes somebody against stupidity. Even the gods

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Speaker 1: fight in vain. All right, let's go wow, wow, hey,

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Speaker 1: hey he did.

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Speaker 3: That's one of your freedom loving quoted that there they

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Speaker 3: right there, against stupidity, even the gods fight in vain.

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Speaker 3: So true.

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Speaker 1: That's hilarious.

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Speaker 3: Vladimir Ashkenazi, It'sak Pelman and Lynn Harrell. It's the ultimate

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Speaker 3: piano trios. Anyway, that's a hilarious thing to say and

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Speaker 1: It's funny though, because classical music just in general is

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Speaker 1: seen as so well classy. Yeah, cerebral, cerebral, classy, dignified,

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Speaker 1: pinky in the air, you know that sort of thing

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Speaker 1: a bunch of beggars and idiots. I guess I'll go

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Speaker 1: play my music. But why am I so poor? This sucks?

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Speaker 3: You don't appreciate me. I don't have the time nor

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Speaker 3: interest actually track this down. But what's the origin of

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Speaker 3: the phrase love the art, not the artist. What's the

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Speaker 3: you know, vintage of it could have been when somebody

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Speaker 3: ran into Baitthoven, right, they're like, hey, the fifth is amazing,

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Speaker 3: but god, what a prick dude, it's completely nuts.

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Speaker 1: Or yeah, people going to visit him and he's laying

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Speaker 1: there on his couch and there's like crusts of bread

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Speaker 3: Oh and then he gets like visiting my son in college.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Then, and he's fifty three at this point,

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Speaker 1: so he's like, you know, fully into a life. He's

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Speaker 1: toward the end of his life. Actually, he gets up

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Speaker 1: he's talking to them.

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Speaker 3: And shits himself. Oh that's the worst part. Oh okay.

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Speaker 3: So here's my favorite, my new favorite show business story

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Speaker 3: involving Beethoven. So it's eighteen nineteen. He's approached by this

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Speaker 3: music publisher who wanted to work with him, but Beethoven

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Speaker 3: didn't like him, and he was suspicious of him. But

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Speaker 3: I'll just read you the sentence. Eighteen nineteen. Beethoven was

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Speaker 3: first approached by the publisher Morriet Schleschinger, who won the

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Speaker 3: suspicious composer around while visiting him by procuring for him

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Speaker 3: a plate of roast veal. So he just show us

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Speaker 3: here's some veal. Beethoven's like, yeah, you're not so bad.

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Speaker 1: What Wow? I should myself. I should myself. I should myself.

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Speaker 1: Huch byself, I should myself, I should myself.

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Speaker 3: You myself?

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Speaker 1: He should his helth he should himself?

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, unfortunate. Well do next time we discussed Amadeus

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Speaker 3: how he was a genius.

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Speaker 2: Bud of bedwetter.

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Speaker 3: Mots are whatever.

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Speaker 1: Whatever.

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Speaker 3: Alright, Well, I guess that's it. Name a hit