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Welcome 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: to stuff you missed in History Class from works dot com. 22 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: Hello and Welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly Fry, I'm 23 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: Trey Pevie Wilson. Uh, and today's topic is a request 24 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: by our listener, Jordan's. We're talking about a hotel with 25 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: a fascinating history and allegedly some lingering spirits who never 26 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: checked out. Uh. And what's really kind of interesting is 27 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: that this is a hotel that has had many identities 28 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: in its hundred and thirty two years since it first opened, 29 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: but the most colorful phase involved some quackery and incredibly 30 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: misleading medical claims on the part of a particular gentleman. 31 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: So we're talking about the Crescent Hotel and Norman Baker, 32 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: and we're just going to jump right into kind of 33 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: talking about how the hotel got made, and then we'll 34 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: talk about Norman Baker and then uh, we'll also talk 35 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: a little bit about the ghosts that are allegedly there, 36 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: So it'll be a little early springtime ghost story to 37 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: start at the beginning. In eighteen eighty two, the Eureka 38 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: Springs Improvement Company was founded in who guessed it, Eureka Springs, Arkansas. 39 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: Carpetbagger and former Arkansas Governor Powell Clayton founded the company 40 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: which was focused on bringing the railroad to the town 41 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: and also on developing some infrastructure, housing attractions that would 42 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: serve people once they arrived by the railroad. So from 43 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty two to eighteen eighty four there was construction 44 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: going on at just a break neck pace, and the 45 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: town was actually a popular destination for travelers before all 46 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: that development, though, and even before it was even officially 47 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: founded as a city in eighteen seventy nine, and all 48 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: that tourism was due to the fact that the springs 49 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: for which the town was named were believed to have 50 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: curative properties. The magical healing reputation was started when a 51 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: doctor allegedly cured his son's blind this with spring water 52 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: there in eighteen fifty six, and throughout the Civil War 53 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: and after it, more and more stories emerged from people 54 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: who claimed to be cured or know someone who had 55 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: been cured by the water from these springs. In eighteen 56 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: eighty four, construction started on the Crescent Hotel, and it 57 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: was part of the larger effort by the Eureka Springs 58 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: Improvement Company. It was also in collaboration with the Frisco 59 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: Train Company. The site for the resort was chosen at 60 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: the top of West Mountain above Eureka Springs proper, and 61 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: it was on twenty seven acres that overlooked the valley. 62 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: In eighteen eighty five, while the hotel was still being built, 63 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: an Irish stonemason is said to have lost his balance 64 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: and fallen several floors into the second floor area, and 65 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: he died there. In hotel lore, this mason is named Michael. 66 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: I was not able to verify the accuracy of this tale, 67 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: one way or the other. I spent a lot of 68 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: time combing through the Arkansas Free Public Records Directory online, 69 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: and without a last name attached to it, just the 70 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: name Michael, Eureka Springs in the year of death really 71 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: did not churn up anything that corroborated this, one way 72 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: or the other. Despite this reported death, work continued on 73 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: a hotel, and the Crescent opened its doors for business 74 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: the following year on six. At this point it was 75 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: a sumptuous, well appointed Victorian resort, and it was intended 76 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: to cater to the wealthy with every possible luxury. The 77 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: hotel had cost an exorbitant two dollars to build. That 78 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: is a massive amount of money for the time, even 79 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: though today that would buy you a lovely house in 80 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: a medium neighborhood in many cities. Uh there was a 81 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: galla ball and a banquet serve to launch the hotel's 82 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: life as part of this big opening, and it was 83 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: lauded as the utmost in luxury in all of the 84 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: newspaper coverage. Guests were offered all manner of amenities to enjoy, 85 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: including a spa. Of course, the spring waters were still 86 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: a big part of the draw. There was croquet, a 87 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,119 Speaker 1: walk in beautiful gardens could be taken at any time. 88 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: There was a stable of a hundred horses from which 89 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 1: guests could choose a ride. There was an in house 90 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: orchestra that they retained there at the resort that played regularly. 91 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: There were picnics and open coach rides for guests who 92 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: wanted to relax outdoors. To the great delight of Powell 93 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: Clayton and his business investors, the venture really succeeded in 94 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: drawing a wealthy clientele. People traveled from all around the 95 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: country to enjoy these dazzling parties and to take dips 96 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: in the healing waters in The train lines directly into 97 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: Eureka Springs were completed, and that made accommodations at the 98 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: luxury resort even more accessible for the people who could 99 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: afford to stay there. In eighteen ninety six, William Jennings 100 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: Bryan delivered one of the orations for which he was 101 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: famous at the Crescent Hotel. This was the year when 102 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: he made his famous Cross of Gold speech and was 103 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party's presidential nominee, so this really was a 104 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: pretty high profile appearance. The hotel was expanded in nine 105 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: hundred and running water was at it throughout the facility, 106 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: and additional quarters were built for servants and staff as 107 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: sort of an annex. But even then the hotel's popularity 108 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: was starting to wane. People had realized that the rumors 109 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: of the waters seemingly magical powers were not really substantiated, 110 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: and the hotel's bookings were starting to drop off. And 111 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: as the prosperity of the Crescent Hotel was on this 112 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: downward trajectory, Powell Clayton decided to leave behind his venture, 113 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: and in nineteen o two he left Eureka Springs behind 114 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: and he started a new job as the U. S 115 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 1: Ambassador to Mexico. There were connections that he had made 116 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: through his position as head of that company that kind 117 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: of gave him the end to that position, and from 118 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: the time of Clayton's departure, the hotel really just slowly 119 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: fell into disrepair. In a new business plan was launched 120 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: to try to fill the empty rooms of the hotel 121 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: and to bring in more money. The hotel opened up 122 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: as the Crescent College and Conservatory for Young Women. In 123 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: the summer, it was still the Crescent Hotel and was 124 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: open for his guests, but for the rest of the 125 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: year it was a ladies educational institution. The hope was 126 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: that the same families who were drawn to Eureka Springs 127 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: as a vacation locale would also be happy to send 128 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: their daughters there for school, and this kind of worked 129 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: for a while, actually for a pretty decent amount of time, 130 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: but by the nineteen twenties, remember this was launched in 131 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: nineteen o eight, so more than a decade, but by 132 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,239 Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties, the income from enrollment was not really 133 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: keeping up. It wasn't enough to make up for the 134 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: lack of guests that they had, and in nineteen twenty 135 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: four the Crescent Hotel closed as both a hotel and 136 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: as a woman's college. There was a brief gasp of 137 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: life again in nineteen thirty when the Crescent reopened again, 138 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: this time as a junior college. But once again it 139 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: couldn't sustain itself as an educational facility, and the school 140 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: closed just six years later. And we're about to get to, uh, 141 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: what's considered the most colorful and kind of seedy part 142 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: of the Crescent Hotels history. But before we do, gonna 143 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: pause and have a word from one of our sponsors. 144 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: Before we talk more about the Crescent Hotel, we'll have 145 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: to talk about its next owner, who was Norman Baker. 146 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: Norman was born on November two in Muscotine, Iowa, and 147 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: his parents, John and Francis Baker had ten children. Norman 148 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: was the youngest. I also saw it listed once as 149 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: nine children, but a large herd of children, uh, And 150 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: he was the youngest. And the Bakers were pretty industrious 151 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: people before becoming a wife and mother. Francis did a 152 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: good bit of writing, and John owned and ran a 153 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: manufacturing company, and he had more than a hundred patents 154 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: to his name. But Norman was different from his parents. 155 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: He would turn out to have drive of his own, 156 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: but it manifested in very different ways. He dropped out 157 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: of school after a sophomore year, and then spent several 158 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: years drifting around picking machinist work here and there. Then 159 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: he found inspiration in a Vaudeville act, Believing he could 160 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: put together a similar and lucrative act to the one 161 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: that he had seen. The inspired him, Norman started his 162 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: own traveling act that featured various actresses in the role 163 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: of Madame Pearl Tangley, who was a mind reader and 164 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: a mystic. And he toured the mind reading show for 165 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: a full decade, including making one of the Madame Pearl 166 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: tangles his wife briefly before having that marriage annulled before 167 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: he wrapped that particular project, just because I know that 168 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: mentioning Vaudeville will probably bring in emails from people saying, hey, 169 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: you should do a podcast on the history of Vaudeville. 170 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: They're already two in the archive. Yeah. So, once he 171 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: was done with this entertainment enterprise, Baker went back home 172 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: to his hometown in Iowa and turned his hand to 173 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: other business ventures. He ran a correspondence school that taught 174 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: art lessons and mail order business, and he invented a 175 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: device called the air calliophone. This calliophone was an organ 176 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: that ran on air pressure and it could carry it 177 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: sound really incredible distances. He patented this device in nineteen fourteen, 178 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: and he opened a factory to produce them. In nineteen sixteen, 179 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: after almost another ten years of running his various small businesses, 180 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: Norman Baker decided to get into radio and he started 181 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: his own radio station with the call letters Katie NT 182 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: that stood for No the Naked Truth, and he used 183 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: his broadcast to talk about the issues of small town life, 184 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: some of it things like agriculture and and sort of 185 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: basic need to know type things, but also to comment 186 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: and participate in larger issues, such as the presidential race, 187 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,119 Speaker 1: in which he was a very vocal supporter of Republican 188 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: candidate Herbert Hoover. Baker would also broadcast attacks on anyone 189 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: who criticized him or any of his work, and he 190 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: seemed to really have a grind against Catholicism because he 191 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: would attack the Catholic religion on the regular. Katie NT 192 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: became something of a branding juggernaut. Baker produced a magazine 193 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: called The Naked Press that served as a supplement to 194 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: his on air editorials. He opened a gas station and 195 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: a restaurant under the Katie nt name, and while he 196 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: was broadcasting from what you might think of as a 197 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: local station, he wound up with incredible reach. Allegedly he 198 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: could be heard at times as far away as Hawaii. 199 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: Baker had been so devoted to the Hoover campaign that 200 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: once the election was over and Hoover had won, Norman 201 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: was invited to meet the President. And this connection would 202 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: later pay off with yet another business venture, as Hoover 203 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: supported Baker in his launch of the Midwest Free Press 204 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: in December of nine. As this publishing empire began to expand, 205 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: Baker also started to be really vocal about another group doctors, 206 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: claiming that he knew better than they did, so much 207 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: so that he claimed he could cure cancer. This is 208 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: like just the thing that quack doctors always seemed to 209 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: jump to. So, I mean, never mind that he had 210 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: zero medical training. Baker opened up his own curative because Scility, 211 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: which was the Baker Institute, which had a hundred beds uh, 212 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: a whole lot of staff with really dubious certifications, and 213 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,599 Speaker 1: the promise of curing cancer. Hospital slogan was cancer is 214 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: Curable and to prove his claims that he had the 215 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: cure that the medical establishment did not. And here is 216 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: a brief warning that things are about to get a 217 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: little dicey if you're squeamish. Although I believe it to 218 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: have been a theatrical thing and not an actual thing. Uh. 219 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: Baker staged a festival, drawing a massive crowd of thousands. Estimates, 220 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: depending on what you read, put the number of attendees 221 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: everywhere from between seventeen thousand and thirty thousand, so in 222 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: some ways this was a call back to his days 223 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: running the Madam Pearl Tangley Show. There were entertainers and testimonials, 224 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: and then Baker went on stage to extol the virtues 225 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: of his miracle elisir. It was magic in a bottle, 226 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: according to him, and just the contents of one bottle 227 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: could cure twenty five people according to his pitch. And 228 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: the grand finale to all of this, with these many 229 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: thousands of onlookers, was kind of a grizzly spectacle. A 230 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: farmer named Mandis Johnson, who was sixty eight, was brought 231 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: on stage his head bandage. Mandis, according to Baker, had 232 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: cancer in his head, and Baker and his surgeon assistant 233 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: removed the man's bandages and then according to witnesses, peeled 234 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: back a portion of the man's scalp and a part 235 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: of his skull to show the cancer riddled brain beneath. 236 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: Baker made a big show of quote treating the cancer 237 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: with a powder form of his elixir, and then the skull, 238 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: fragment and the skin were replaced. Johnson's skull was rebandaged, 239 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: and then the farmer, seeming to be a okay and 240 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: totally fine after this treatment, shook Baker's hand and left cured, 241 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: according to Norman Baker. Unsurprisingly, this demonstration drew a lot 242 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: of attention. So did Baker's continued broadcasts from Katie and 243 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: t which had taken on a more and more anti 244 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: medical establishment tone. This included denouncing vaccinations. The American Medical Association, 245 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: concerned that he was disseminating dangerous information and telling people 246 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: not to see doctors, went to the Federal Radio Commission 247 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: with its concerns. In nineteen thirty one, Baker lost his 248 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: broadcast license, and Baker sued the American Medical Association for 249 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: libel in ninety two, claiming that the organization has had 250 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: ruined his hospital business because people stopped checking in for 251 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: the cure. Once he no longer had his free radio advertising, 252 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: but Baker lost that case. His cancer cure had been 253 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: found to be nothing more than clover, watermelon seed, corn, silk, 254 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: and water. This didn't stop him, though. He built a 255 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: new radio station in Mexico, which started broadcasting in nineteen 256 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: thirty three. But he really wasn't willing to give up 257 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: his place in the sun back in Iowa. He returned 258 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: back to his home state to run for the United 259 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: States Senate in nineteen thirty six. He had already lost 260 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: a run at being governor, and he lost the Senate 261 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: race as well. He was arrested briefly for practicing medicine 262 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: without a license, but it appears that he only spent 263 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: one night in jail. After an Archao newsreel rand that 264 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: discredited the Baker Institute, Norman with a with paying patients 265 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: really slowing down to a trickle at best, shut down 266 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: his hospital and in Norman also paid to have his 267 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: biography written, and this, like so much of his other enterprises, 268 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: was pure theater. The introduction to that biography reads, quote, 269 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: this is an inspiration book for young and old, a 270 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: fact story of how a man fought his enemies, how 271 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: he faced gunman dynamiters and enemy doctors. How he fought 272 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: the medical racket, the radio trust, the aluminum Trust, and others. 273 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: He did it for you. There has never been a 274 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: book prepared so carefully. This makes it the most important 275 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: book ever written. Read the life story of Norman Baker, 276 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: the greatest one man battle ever fought. He continued to 277 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: spread his distrust of traditional medicine, Catholic Jews, science, and 278 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: basically anything that contradicted him by his Mexican radio station. Seven. 279 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: He was convicted for shipping gramophone recordings out of the 280 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: country to broadcast them in Mexico, which was in violation 281 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: of the Federal Communications Act of four but this ruling 282 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: was later overturned in appeals court. And this brings us 283 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: to the point in the timeline where Norman Baker's story 284 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: meets up with the Crescent Hotel. So, after his legal battle, 285 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: and presumably in search of a new enterprise suitable to 286 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: his goals and personality, he made his way to Eureka Springs, Arkansas, 287 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: and he bought the Crescent Hotel. Baker renovated the Rundown buildings, 288 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: painting them his favorite colors lavender and purple throughout, and 289 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: he reopened it as the Baker Cancer Hospital. We're going 290 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: to talk about the crescent and incarnation and Norman Baker 291 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: and the claims that it's now haunted. But first we're 292 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: going to take another brief break from the history to 293 00:16:54,520 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: have a word from our sponsor. Just as he had 294 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: been doing in Iowa, Baker promised patients he could free 295 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: them of disease. Once he was in Eureka Springs. It's 296 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: estimated that Norman Baker was making half a million dollars 297 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: a year from the hospital. Desperate patients, hoping that his 298 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: claims were true, would often hand over their life savings 299 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: to receive the Baker cure, which often involved lots of 300 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: poking with needles and prodding, occasionally subverbal treatments, but no 301 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: real medical treatment. By this time, Baker, who was still 302 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: a showman, was still was appearing in crisp white suits 303 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: with lavender and purple ties and shirts, and he had 304 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: also become really paranoid. His office at the new hospital 305 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: in Eureka Springs was walled with bulletproof glass, and he 306 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: kept guns within reach at all times while he was there. 307 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: As part of his advertising campaign for the facility, Baker 308 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: started mailing out pamphlets in literature extolling the virtues again 309 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: of the treatments that patients could receive in his care. 310 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: I believe their tagline was where sick people Get Well. 311 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: And despite all of his other seed doings that we've 312 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: talked about up to this point, this was the thing 313 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: that really got him into trouble. Postal inspectors spotted his 314 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: mailings and believed them to be fraudulent, and in nineteen 315 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: forty Norman Baker was arrested for mail fraud. The hospital 316 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: at the once Grand Crescent Hotel shut down. Baker was 317 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: found guilty, and he spent March nineteen forty one to 318 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: July nineteen forty four at the Federal penitentiary in Leavenworth, Kansas. 319 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: He had defrauded patients in Eureka Springs of as much 320 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 1: as four million dollars. Unlike some of the other quacks 321 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: that have come up on a podcast, none of his 322 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: patients died as a direct result of his treatments, but 323 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: they were missing out on actual medical care, which you know, 324 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: could have made it so that they've died faster than 325 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: if they would if they had gotten actual treatment. Yeah, 326 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: we we don't know if any of those desperate people 327 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: could have put ventially even you know, had improved health 328 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: and lived for a long time because they weren't seeing doctors. Uh. 329 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: Two years after his release, Baker attempted to reopen his 330 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: hospital in Musketine, Iowa, but he never managed to do so, 331 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: and he ended up living his last twelve years on 332 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: a yacht in Florida. He died on September eighth of 333 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eight of cirrhosis of the liver, and he 334 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: was actually buried back in Musketine at the Greenwood Cemetery 335 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: next to his sister. The hotels that abandoned for six 336 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: years after Baker closed the operation down, and then in 337 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: nineteen forty six it was purchased by a group of 338 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: businessmen from Chicago A Byfield, John our Constantine, Dwight O. Nicholas, 339 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: and Herbert eat Shutter, and they intended to restore it 340 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: back to being a hotel. They did get it up 341 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: and running, even offering a special tour package which included 342 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: travel from Chicago to the resort, a six day stay 343 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: and meals, all for the low price of sixty two 344 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: dollars and fifty cents. The business did really pretty well 345 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: under their stewardship for two decades, but in nineteen sixty seven, 346 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: a bellman burning boxes in the lobby fireplace started a 347 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: fire that completely consumed the fifth floor and partially destroyed 348 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: the fourth floor. For the next thirty years, the Crescent 349 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: would pass from owner to owner, restoration project, a restoration project. 350 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: At one point it was bought by two married couples, 351 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: the Vegans and the Quarries, who reopened it and gave 352 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: a cat named Morris the title of hotel manager. But 353 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: they eventually sold the hotel, which was then owned by 354 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: several banks and businesses until finally in seven, Marty and 355 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: Elise Romic bought the Crescent and restored it over the 356 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: course of five years. To be quote the grand Lady 357 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: of the os Arps. They've owned it ever since, and 358 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: then they've turned it into a vibrant vacation destination once again. 359 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: So now we're going to talk about the ghosts that 360 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: allegedly hang out there at the Crescent, because for years 361 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: the Crescent Hotel has held this reputation of being one 362 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: of the most haunted hotels in the United States. Eat 363 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about a few of the ghosts 364 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: who are alleged to wander the halls. You remember the 365 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: story of Michael the Mason from the beginning of the 366 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: Crescent Hotel's construction, where he fell is allegedly wear Room 367 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: to eighteen now exists, and it's long been rumored to 368 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: be a hotbed of paranormal activity. The people who claim 369 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: to have been visited by Michael while staying in the 370 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: room report doors opening and closing, pounding on the walls, 371 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: even hands coming out of the bathroom mirror, which is 372 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: pretty freaky. Yeah. Uh, There's a nurse that allegedly appears 373 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: on the third floor pushing a gurney with a deceased 374 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: cancer patient on it. Of course, that also comes with 375 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: the creepy sound of squeaking wheels. Some lorera lovers like 376 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: to believe that even Norman Baker himself has come back 377 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: to the Crescent Hotel and the afterlife, appearing in his 378 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: signature white suit with a purple shirt and tie. And 379 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: there's even a ghost that some claim introduces herself as 380 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: Theodora and tells whoever she's speaking with that she's receiving 381 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: cancer treatment, usually right before she kind of vanishes before 382 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: their eyes. There's another who has been dubbed Dr Ellis, 383 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: who is a man that wears a stovepipe hat and 384 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: sometimes gives people advice. There are so so many more 385 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: ghosts that are rumored to appear at the Crescent, and 386 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: they come from all points of the hotel's history. Because 387 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: it's had such a tumultuous history of shifting ownership and identities, 388 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: the history of the hotel is pretty fertile soil in 389 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: which to grow ghost stories. It's got all the best 390 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: options for spirit characters. There are rich victorians, there are 391 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: college kids, they're ailing patients who have been duped by 392 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: this flim flam man. Yeah, so it's uh, you know, 393 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: I think I've said before the podcast, I'm not a 394 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: ghost believer myself, but it seems like if you're into 395 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: that sort of thing, this is a super fun and 396 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: very beautiful place to go kind of play in that 397 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: sort of arena if you wanted to do so. And today, 398 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: the town of Eureka Springs in its entirety is on 399 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: the National Register of Historic Places, with approximately two thous 400 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,239 Speaker 1: and historic buildings included that have been restored and are 401 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: carefully maintained. You can get ghost tours of the Crescent Hotel. 402 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: They're available for anyone who wants to visit with the 403 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: spirits that are rumored to haunt its halls. Uh. And 404 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: it does look like an absolutely lovely town. I would 405 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: love to go visit at some point, So it's now 406 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: on my list. It was not before I did this 407 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: episode because I didn't know about it, But now I 408 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: think maybe we go to Eureka Springs. You're not that 409 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: far from well from where you are. It's not that 410 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: far from where I am. It's really far. I like, 411 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: how now that you live in Boston everything feels really fun. 412 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: It really does. Whenever whenever we get invitations to go somewhere, 413 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, this flight is two hours longer than it 414 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: would have been from Atlanta. Yes, So thank you listener 415 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: Jordan for suggesting this episode. It was one that ended 416 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: up being really fun. When I first thought, oh, I'll 417 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: look into the haunted hotel thing, and then the Norman 418 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: Baker angle was so sort of fertile and fascinating that 419 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: it ended up being lovely. I have listener mail and 420 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: it's late. Oh yeah, let's hear it. So Valentine's Day 421 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: has come and gone. I don't know how people feel 422 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: about it, but we can feel yeah either way. I 423 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: think I've said before like for me, it was always 424 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: a family holiday. It doesn't come with the baggage of 425 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: of like you know, UM expectations in a relationship sort 426 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: of way. So it's never been a troubling or problem 427 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: problematic day for me. Um And I like Red and 428 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: Pink a lot, so I'm cool with it. Plus peeps, Hello, 429 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: But we got to really really fun pieces of mail 430 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: that I wanted to thank our listeners for. 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