Speaker 1: You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio.
Speaker 2: LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox in for Dan and
Speaker 2: the guys. You can normally hear us Monday through Friday
Speaker 2: before the Dan Patrick Show six am Eastern time, three
Speaker 2: o'clock Pacific on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe.
Speaker 2: But we are in for Dan and Crew yesterday and
Speaker 2: today as we take you all the way up until
Speaker 2: noon Eastern time, nine o'clock Pacific. By the way, apparently
Speaker 2: this was thought to be some breaking news, but the
Speaker 2: New York Yankees are finally going to allow facial hair
Speaker 2: for their players for the first time in forty nine years.
Speaker 2: So congratulations to everybody who can grow a beer the
Speaker 2: place for the Yankees. You know, I don't have to
Speaker 2: shave that bad boy. Got of a tradition there in baseball.
Speaker 2: So that'll wrap up our coverage of Major League Baseball
Speaker 2: here on this Friday. We do transition over to this
Speaker 2: which should be a sad tale, especially for you guys.
Speaker 2: There was a decision that was made and that decision
Speaker 2: is that, according to the Sports Business Journal, USC and
Speaker 2: Texas have canceled their spring game this year. Ohio State
Speaker 2: and Nebraska have done the same, and so it feels
Speaker 2: like this is another aspect of NIL, the growth of
Speaker 2: the sport, the change in the sport. But apparently spring
Speaker 2: games are on borrow time and they're going to be
Speaker 2: moving away from that great tradition. So there's that do
Speaker 2: it that one?
Speaker 3: Do you want that one? First?
Speaker 4: It's disappointing in part because here's what's getting lost on
Speaker 4: everything is we're now making decisions on a sport at
Speaker 4: it's not an amateur level anymore, but it's at a
Speaker 4: lower level where there's still a ton of development that
Speaker 4: goes on. I mean, you've got a son that's now
Speaker 4: enrolled at Penn State. Imagine what he's going to look like,
Speaker 4: be like, play like in three or four years.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And what bothers me about this is we're making decisions
Speaker 4: to take away spring.
Speaker 5: Games for two reasons, all right.
Speaker 4: And we're talking about like top school, blue blood schools,
Speaker 4: you know, USC, Texas, I think Ohio State. They're all
Speaker 4: opting instead of having a spring game basically having what
Speaker 4: the NFL has and having like OTAs. And it's for
Speaker 4: two reasons. The first is injury related. There's concern about injuries,
Speaker 4: which I mean, maybe I'm missing something. Has that not
Speaker 4: always been the concern? Yeah, that's literally always been a
Speaker 4: reason for concern for every coach in every college football
Speaker 4: program in the history of college football.
Speaker 5: So that's the first thing.
Speaker 4: The second though, that's most important and probably trumps all
Speaker 4: of it, is it's the money aspect that's involved with
Speaker 4: you know, whether a guy's playing and starting, if he's
Speaker 4: not using the transfer portal to get somewhere else. You know,
Speaker 4: when I mentioned injuries, there's an element of guys not
Speaker 4: wanting to do it because they're slated to go in
Speaker 4: the first round after the next fall. You know, why
Speaker 4: do they have to be a part of it, which
Speaker 4: I'm in all honestly, they can just sit out and
Speaker 4: let some younger guys play. But it's the money aspect
Speaker 4: of things, because you've got players who are looking at
Speaker 4: that spring game and being told by their agents, being
Speaker 4: told by their caretakers, whoever it is that they're you know,
Speaker 4: this is where you're on the depth chart. If you
Speaker 4: want to leave, you and go play somewhere else, get
Speaker 4: paid more. And so now they're looking at these spring
Speaker 4: games as an indication of that so coaches are fearful
Speaker 4: about putting out depth charts having guys go out there
Speaker 4: and play in these spring games because they don't want
Speaker 4: to lose players potentially to not playing.
Speaker 5: As much in the spring game or or you know,
Speaker 5: having a poor performance.
Speaker 4: And now all of a sudden, they're not gonna be
Speaker 4: a guy that's gonna be viewed as a starter going
Speaker 4: into camp. So they've got this window to transfer. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go. I'm gonna go jet and go try to
Speaker 4: find more money elsewhere at a place where I can
Speaker 4: start and play. So, like I understand in saying all
Speaker 4: this too, people are gonna say, well, yeah, shouldn't that
Speaker 4: player have the opportunity to do that if they want? Sure,
Speaker 4: if that's if that's how you know see this, like
Speaker 4: if you don't believe in development, if you don't believe
Speaker 4: in trying to develop, and maybe there's a point in
Speaker 4: time where you're not ready, and maybe that's what this is.
Speaker 4: Like there's a bigger story here about life where at
Speaker 4: times you can get exposed to say like maybe I'm
Speaker 4: not ready yet, maybe I need more time, Maybe I
Speaker 4: need more development instead of just going somewhere else because
Speaker 4: I'm not getting an opportunity here at one of these
Speaker 4: bigger schools. But that's in essence what you're seeing, and
Speaker 4: it stinks. It quite honestly stinks. It's a great event.
Speaker 4: The spring game is a great event for a lot
Speaker 4: of folks around the university, not just football, but like
Speaker 4: everyone else, other sports teams, other students, other people around
Speaker 4: you know, the alumni that come in for it. And
Speaker 4: so it's disappointing now that's not going to exist the
Speaker 4: way it once did.
Speaker 3: I'll say I watched the evolution of the spring game
Speaker 3: from when I played to now, and it is certainly
Speaker 3: taking on a different a different feel this maybe six
Speaker 3: years ago. It's like the attendance isn't the same, Like
Speaker 3: there have been times where they reported some really really
Speaker 3: great crowds. And I'll just say, in particular specific I've
Speaker 3: been to several, you know, different schools where I've gone
Speaker 3: to their spring games in recent years and the game
Speaker 3: wasn't you know, it wasn't a game anymore. But I
Speaker 3: would say, more specifically, because I go to Penn State
Speaker 3: pretty much every year, I watched the evolution of it
Speaker 3: and it has slowly turned into a glorified practice in
Speaker 3: front of the public, the fans are able to come
Speaker 3: out and watch the team practice because it was not
Speaker 3: They call it the spring game, but it did not
Speaker 3: come across as a game at all. The punts, the kickoffs,
Speaker 3: it was controlled, and it was ran just like it
Speaker 3: was a period in practice. The way the way the
Speaker 3: game air quotes was ran. It was ran like a
Speaker 3: practice you blew the whistle did at a certain point.
Speaker 3: Running backs weren't being taken to the ground, let alone
Speaker 3: in a pass rusher getting close to the quarterback in
Speaker 3: passing downs. So to me, it was the spring game
Speaker 3: has ultimately turned into what would be perceived as a
Speaker 3: spring practice, a public practice that is held in the
Speaker 3: main stadium and people are able to come watch and attend,
Speaker 3: and it's a it's considered to be a preseason or
Speaker 3: precursor to what the team may look like going into
Speaker 3: the next season, is how I would look at it.
Speaker 3: So I don't know that it's based off of the
Speaker 3: current NIL or transfer portal as to why the game
Speaker 3: has evolved, but I do think that there are reasons
Speaker 3: why coaches have evolved what the game has represented, because
Speaker 3: when I played, it was really a game you had
Speaker 3: blue versus white, and you came out and it was
Speaker 3: literally a real game. It was a game who's going
Speaker 3: to win the game? It was tackling. Now, we weren't
Speaker 3: able to tackle the quarterback. That was something we weren't
Speaker 3: able to do even when I was in school. But
Speaker 3: everything else was live. Everything else was live. That's just
Speaker 3: not how it is anymore. And it's interesting because I
Speaker 3: don't see the amount of people coming out to watch
Speaker 3: it like they did, like it was literally like a
Speaker 3: game when I played. It's more like people are coming out.
Speaker 3: It's kind of festive. It's not as much festive things
Speaker 3: as there would be if it was a regular game
Speaker 3: Saturday during the season, but it's still a little festive.
Speaker 3: People are able to come out, the weather's changed and
Speaker 3: they do some tailgating, they have some fun, they go
Speaker 3: and watch the game, but it's pretty light. It's very
Speaker 3: light anymore. So I don't know. It's an evolution of
Speaker 3: what where the sport is. I'm certain now now that
Speaker 3: we're looking at it, with the nil and the transfer
Speaker 3: portal being more prevalent and being you know, a part
Speaker 3: of college sports, it definitely is playing a part in
Speaker 3: it now. But I think that the game has has
Speaker 3: continued to evolve from the nineties to where we are now,
Speaker 3: you know, and you know the twenty twenties of what's
Speaker 3: going on in you know, college football.
Speaker 2: That was one of those aspects of college football that
Speaker 2: I didn't understand until I got to a place that
Speaker 2: really loved college football, because growing up in southern California,
Speaker 2: it's not like, hey, man, USC UCLA spring games right
Speaker 2: around the corner, you guys going it. Just it didn't
Speaker 2: have that that gravity. There wasn't you know, there's not
Speaker 2: that appeal, that interest in it. But then you get
Speaker 2: out to SEC country, ACC country, and it's like, wait,
Speaker 2: you eighty thousand people show up to your spring games.
Speaker 3: Really that might be.
Speaker 2: But there are places where they were doing eighty to
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand people.
Speaker 3: That might be a little embellished.
Speaker 5: You don't think did last year? I called again, I
Speaker 5: was there for it might be one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: That might be a little embellished, That's all I say.
Speaker 5: Definitely wasn't that might be.
Speaker 3: I could dig it might be a little embellished. I
Speaker 3: know you feel inferior to them at this point. I
Speaker 3: don't feel inferior. I can admit that I don't feel
Speaker 3: inferior at all. This could be a low embellished.
Speaker 2: Okay, but we'll call it seventy five thousand, all right,
Speaker 2: we'll round down. But the point is it's a practice
Speaker 2: game in which sixty to seventy to eighty et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera, one thousand people show up to watch their team.
Speaker 2: And yeah, there may not be a benefit from a
Speaker 2: financial standpoint to the players, or I know, like Mike
Speaker 2: Florio took the approach of well, they can't make money
Speaker 2: off it. But I would imagine for that town, like
Speaker 2: the businesses around that town, of course, that's a huge
Speaker 2: money maker. And now the opportunity's gone because things are
Speaker 2: changing the way they are.
Speaker 4: Just April thirteenth, twenty twenty four, Ohio State has eighty
Speaker 4: thy twelve people who attend the spring game there at
Speaker 4: Ohio ctatey other notable big I guess spring game attendances.
Speaker 4: You had Alabama at seventy two thousand, three hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty eight, reportedly, Nebraska at sixty thousand and four to
Speaker 4: fifty two, Michigan Notre Dame, and it.
Speaker 5: Goes down from here.
Speaker 4: Oklahoma had forty five thousand and eight sixty one Clemson
Speaker 4: with forty seven thousand fans.
Speaker 5: Notre Dame had about thirty seven hundred and twenty eight.
Speaker 3: So yeah, could being ballast.
Speaker 4: I'm not only going to send you the article with this,
Speaker 4: I'm actually going to send you the fact they have
Speaker 4: video evidence to go along with it.
Speaker 3: I don't know that video evidence would give a you
Speaker 3: are you going to sit there and count I'm not.
Speaker 5: It feels like this is a weird hill to die on.
Speaker 3: I don't need to die on it. I'm not dying
Speaker 3: on it, and I'm not going to argue with still
Speaker 3: about it. I'm just saying I could stand on it,
Speaker 3: standing on that hill.
Speaker 5: You standing on that.
Speaker 3: I just that it could be. I mean, I could
Speaker 3: be wrong. Hey, forget about.
Speaker 5: If your movie maybe balancing on like a pogo.
Speaker 3: Stay, let's just move on, hey, forget about it. Forget
Speaker 3: about it. Not to say it what I said, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to die on that hill. But I said
Speaker 3: what i'd say, Lee.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be a weird request. But can you
Speaker 2: look this up? I believe that there was one year
Speaker 2: in which Georgia had a spring game and Ludacris showed
Speaker 2: up and handed out condoms. That was Kentucky and that
Speaker 2: was midnight Man, I think that was I think that
Speaker 2: was a Georgia game.
Speaker 3: Georgia Spring game?
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 4: And if it was right and it was basketball, wouldn't
Speaker 4: you think it would be Drake if anyone good call,
Speaker 4: doesn't he kind of follow like the bandwagon programs?
Speaker 3: Yes, Kobe Roster, Kentucky.
Speaker 6: I believe this was in twenty sixteen. Yes, it was
Speaker 6: Georgia to the delight of ninety three thousand in attendance
Speaker 6: at Sanford Stadium.
Speaker 3: To the delight of ninety three thousand.
Speaker 2: And he brought uh brought condoms?
Speaker 6: Yes he did.
Speaker 5: How about ninety three thousand condoms?
Speaker 6: I don't think he brought ninety three thousand condoms? But
Speaker 6: that was the attendance.
Speaker 5: Who paid for all those? Usaid?
Speaker 2: Well done hard, right hand by Quinn.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe it seems topical these days, you know.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 6: So Georgia actually apologized for giving Ludacris the condoms to
Speaker 6: get to hand out, so they gave them to sixty
Speaker 6: five grand as well as well as two bottles of
Speaker 6: his own cognac.
Speaker 3: Wait say that again.
Speaker 6: Georgia apologizes for giving Luda sixty five k for the
Speaker 6: for the event, condoms and two bottles of his own cognac.
Speaker 6: But I think he was handed out the condoms.
Speaker 3: They gave him two bottles of his own cognac, a.
Speaker 2: Couple of balloon animals for the road other all that. Wow, okay,
Speaker 2: all right, better safe than sorry, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Very interesting According to the contract, Yeah, they a box
Speaker 6: of condoms was included in the in the contract, Lee,
Speaker 6: what would you.
Speaker 5: Be looking for if you're a college student?
Speaker 3: Those two bottles?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that sounds about right.
Speaker 3: What do you do one of these now? And shot
Speaker 3: glasses instead of a condom? He'd use one out of
Speaker 3: the two.
Speaker 2: By the way, I am showing that Penn State will
Speaker 2: close its spring practice April twenty six with the annual
Speaker 2: Blue White Game. Yeah, Blue, So are you gonna be
Speaker 2: over there for spring game?
Speaker 3: Of course?
Speaker 2: I mean how many thousands of people would you say?
Speaker 3: The over under? I don't know. Yeah, for the attendance there,
Speaker 3: thirty twenty twenty five. But we'll we'll report forty you know,
Speaker 3: it's messed up. Man will report whatever whatever number you
Speaker 3: know you could get too off of. I'll say this
Speaker 3: maybe at any one point in time, like everybody as
Speaker 3: a whole who comes in and goes out. I could
Speaker 3: see if the numbers got there that way. I could
Speaker 3: see if the numbers got that way, you're counting everybody
Speaker 3: who walks in, which I don't know how you keep
Speaker 3: track of at. I don't know how you keep track
Speaker 3: of at.
Speaker 4: I mean there's security measures where like you can have
Speaker 4: a counter this as part of whatever people are walking through.
Speaker 3: Right, No, there's not. Some stadiums don't have counters.
Speaker 4: They don't have counters, so when they when they scan
Speaker 4: your ticket, you don't think that counts as well.
Speaker 3: But I don't think they scan tickets at the Blue
Speaker 3: White Game.
Speaker 5: Oh I think they do. You have to nowadays for
Speaker 5: security measures.
Speaker 3: I don't. I'll pay attention more this year. I've never
Speaker 3: really used a ticket ever, so I don't know, but
Speaker 3: I know the few times that i've I did pay
Speaker 3: attention going into the Blue White Game. It'd be no
Speaker 3: different than just walking in to a practice or I
Speaker 3: don't think they had tickets. I don't think there's tickets
Speaker 3: to the game. I remember, off the top of my head,
Speaker 3: Ohio State used to charge five bucks. It was five
Speaker 3: bucks and you got a ticket to go to the
Speaker 3: spring game back then. Yeah, I don't recall bucks. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't recall there ever being charging to come to
Speaker 3: the spring game. I don't recall that. Not not for parking.
Speaker 3: It's like first come, first serve or whatever it is
Speaker 3: that they have set up. If you already have your
Speaker 3: your slip, your your parking space, like when you tailgate,
Speaker 3: maybe it's still yours. I'm not I'm not certain. I
Speaker 3: don't want to speak out a term, but I do
Speaker 3: not think that they're you are presenting a ticket, you know.
Speaker 2: Lee, Can you check a couple of things, price to
Speaker 2: get into the Penn State Spring game and also yearly attendance,
Speaker 2: because I want to see how big of a lie
Speaker 2: they told each year when it comes to just the numbers. Here,
Speaker 2: what's the price to get into that spring game?
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 6: I'm seeing free for the Blue White game, but they can't.
Speaker 3: Hold on probably packing them in. They're not.
Speaker 6: Starting around twenty dollars.
Speaker 3: Okay, interesting the tickets for the Blue White game.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm seeing free for the Blue White game. Is
Speaker 6: that right?
Speaker 3: I'm pretty I'm pretty certain it's free. Yeah, Well it'll
Speaker 3: all be gone here fingers chose fingers. Now that wouldn't lea,
Speaker 3: that's not me, that is dang. I don't think Lee's
Speaker 3: fingers moved that quick pounds it man?
Speaker 2: Oh, given names?
Speaker 5: Did you just say you dump that?
Speaker 3: Lad? Did he dump that? He dumped it? Chris dumped it?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, that's dumping you mean Ronda?
Speaker 3: Please dump that? Gentlemen. Ah, Well, at least we know
Speaker 3: who's in charge.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Can I tell you that he dumped you? He dumped
Speaker 3: you for saying that?
Speaker 2: Can I tell you this runaway favorite to an MVP
Speaker 2: on the show this far Brady Quinn after this segment, everybody.
Speaker 3: Got it here mission averaging around sixty to sixty three
Speaker 3: thousd Admission is free for the Blue White Game. Fans
Speaker 3: will enter through gates A, B, and C N E,
Speaker 3: which will open that noon parking.
Speaker 4: You don't think they're still counting just from for like
Speaker 4: security measures.
Speaker 3: Uh, like I said there there there aren't counters for
Speaker 3: you know, for that, I don't see there being counters
Speaker 3: even dor but because you have to scan, like if
Speaker 3: you scan that, it's a counter. Like yeah, but if
Speaker 3: if you don't have a ticket, I don't know how
Speaker 3: they're they're counting, you know, I don't know I mean again,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean not on to get in the weeds here.
Speaker 4: There is AI surveillance where like when people walk through,
Speaker 4: it'll be able to count people as it's surveillant, like
Speaker 4: through camera footage. There's different software systems now and a
Speaker 4: lot of these stadiums for these big events, they have
Speaker 4: to I mean it's mandated to some degree just because
Speaker 4: God forbids something happen. Oftentimes they're they're trying their best
Speaker 4: to do to be able to account for how many
Speaker 4: people are there, and God forbid anything happen, like who's where.
Speaker 4: It's one of the reasons why like they might have
Speaker 4: some way of tracking.
Speaker 3: That they do charge for parking. They do charge twenty
Speaker 3: dollars and regular vehicle per RV sixty or sixty sixty
Speaker 3: per bus. Cash or card sales will be accepted at parking.
Speaker 2: Now it feels like, I hell a place to have
Speaker 2: a stick city tailgate. I know that, you know that's
Speaker 2: not a big enough game. I don't do it for
Speaker 2: that game. Let's go live to our I have a
Speaker 2: thought on Spring Game attendance insider Christopher.
Speaker 3: For the latest Carler.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I've never done something as big as this,
Speaker 7: But I do know working like growing up, I worked
Speaker 7: at the Toledo Zoo and I worked a game for
Speaker 7: ut Rockets for I want to say, well, yeah, basketball,
Speaker 7: excuse me, you do have a hand counter there, like,
Speaker 7: you know, even if you're not even way before AI,
Speaker 7: like you'd have a clicker, you'd like take it down
Speaker 7: for every person coming through that gate.
Speaker 6: Yeah, guy does, and everyone puts those together.
Speaker 3: At the end of the night.
Speaker 2: When I go to church, a guy has a clicker,
Speaker 2: you know, he wants to know how many people are
Speaker 2: at church, you know, some strange reason, but.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a listen. I think.
Speaker 2: I think it's a sad day. It's unfortunate spring games
Speaker 2: are going by the wayside. But I just hope that,
Speaker 2: you know, more schools don't get accused of lying about
Speaker 2: their attendance members, because that's really what concerns me with
Speaker 2: all this.
Speaker 3: But again, to.
Speaker 2: Each their own. By the way, are you still driving
Speaker 2: that trusty old ride? Keep it looking sharp with Maco
Speaker 2: From dense to faded paint. We've got you covered. Get
Speaker 2: a free estimate today, h oh, better get Maco. It
Speaker 2: is the Dan Patrick Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2: LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox in for Dan and
Speaker 2: the guys. Coming up next here though, end of an era,
Speaker 2: end of an era for one team in the NFL.
Speaker 2: We'll tell you who that's next.
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Right and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2: Well, it is the Dan Patrick Show here on Fox
Speaker 2: Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Who's got problems? Brady Quinn, Jonas
Speaker 2: Knox with you here, I don't think in for Dan
Speaker 2: and the guys. Coming up a little over fifteen minutes
Speaker 2: from now here on Fox Sports Radio, we do have
Speaker 2: a well, it's a little bit of a bummer for
Speaker 2: one team in the world of sports. Some bad news
Speaker 2: handed out yesterday. We'll get into that for you here
Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. Bad news for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Here Zach Martin, a future first ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: He's got nine Pro Bowls, seven All Pros, two second
Speaker 2: team All Pros. The only years he wasn't an All
Speaker 2: Pro were years that he was injured back in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty and then this past season. But Zach Martin has
Speaker 2: decided to reportedly call it a career after eleven years
Speaker 2: with the Dallas Cowboys' phenomenal pick and now Dallas has
Speaker 2: another hole on the offensive line that they significant hole.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, significant, you got it, gut well.
Speaker 4: I mean, first off, I'll just say this, he's a
Speaker 4: first ballot Hall of Famer, Like I don't think it's
Speaker 4: even There's been few offensive linemen. Joe Thomas is the
Speaker 4: head the one that kind of comes to mind that
Speaker 4: has immediately come in and just been one of the best.
Speaker 4: I mean, Quentin Nelson's probably the other one. Happens to
Speaker 4: be both having you know, he has it happens to
Speaker 4: be a Domeer two. But they immediately came in and
Speaker 4: been one of the best offensive linemen, you know, for
Speaker 4: the entirety of their career. I mean, a seven time
Speaker 4: first team All Pro. He's got two more second team
Speaker 4: All Pros in there with the nine Pro Bowls, So
Speaker 4: pretty incredible career. I always wonder for guys like him
Speaker 4: because he's played at such a high level and he's
Speaker 4: been one of the best. I think over the last
Speaker 4: five years. He's got a top five past rush win rate.
Speaker 4: If you're into deeper analytics and all this stuff, but
Speaker 4: it's always surpriseding me for guys like him, who you
Speaker 4: wonder like, could he have played another you know, year
Speaker 4: or two, And if.
Speaker 5: He does, you know, maybe it's not at high of
Speaker 5: a level.
Speaker 4: And so is the decision more you know, personal in
Speaker 4: the sense of, hey, maybe I don't feel like I
Speaker 4: can play quite as well as I used to where
Speaker 4: it's the beating, it's the punting, it's everything else that
Speaker 4: I've endured and I'm just done. Or does the Dallas
Speaker 4: Cowboys and the lack of direction and feel like if
Speaker 4: they're really all in, I mean, just looking at where
Speaker 4: this team is at, how big of a factor does
Speaker 4: that play in all of it? And maybe it's like, look,
Speaker 4: I had a great run a Hall of Fame career,
Speaker 4: but I don't feel like the Dallas Cowboys are figuring
Speaker 4: this thing out anytime soon. I wonder how that plays
Speaker 4: a factor into the decision.
Speaker 3: You would have to take both of those elements into consideration.
Speaker 3: If you're Zach Martin, how high level can I play?
Speaker 3: And is it worth it to continue playing seeing the
Speaker 3: current state of the team that I'm in and taking
Speaker 3: a step further, would I want to start over in
Speaker 3: a different market, and I think that the answer is no.
Speaker 3: At the point in his career where he's getting, you know,
Speaker 3: dealing with the injuries that he's dealing with, you don't
Speaker 3: want to start over in a different market. You've built
Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame career, you've built a life in Dallas,
Speaker 3: plan for the star, and you're on a team that
Speaker 3: doesn't look like it's going in the right direction. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to see that.
Speaker 3: And if you're Zach Martin and you're on the inside,
Speaker 3: he probably has a much different view of it than
Speaker 3: even the people that are talking about it on the outside.
Speaker 3: So when I look at what he's got going on
Speaker 3: in his body of work, if he feels like it's
Speaker 3: time for him to hang it up, he's probably hanging
Speaker 3: it up because of those elements. Like I've done well enough,
Speaker 3: I made a lot of money. I've had a Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame career, so I'll be able to continue to leverage,
Speaker 3: you know what I was able to accomplish in the game,
Speaker 3: and use a Hall of Fame career once I've become
Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer, use being a Hall of Famer
Speaker 3: to do the things that I want to do in
Speaker 3: my next life. And I think it's pretty simple before
Speaker 3: Guyl like hell, I think it's pretty simple, pretty cut
Speaker 3: and dry as to what will go into the thought
Speaker 3: process of why you would feel like it's time to
Speaker 3: hang up the cleats for for the last time.
Speaker 2: I wondered about Joe Thomas, because there was some stuff
Speaker 2: out there that it might have been Kansas City. There
Speaker 2: was a trade that could have been done to Kansas
Speaker 2: City towards the end of his career, and he just decided, listen,
Speaker 2: I'll just stay in Cleveland and call it. I wonder
Speaker 2: there would be suitors for Zach Martin. There would be teams,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, interested in Zach Martin. But I wonder if
Speaker 2: he's just like, man, I don't want to go somewhere else.
Speaker 2: I'll just deal with what it is and walk away.
Speaker 5: Kansas City would be a suitor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tray Smith is probably gonna leave to go cash in.
Speaker 4: If you look at the offensive line in particularly in
Speaker 4: the interior, Zach mar would be an upgrade. And so
Speaker 4: you know, you wonder, like, how would that deal work
Speaker 4: if he really wants to play, would he have to
Speaker 4: force his way out? Maybe play play or doesn't want
Speaker 4: to do that. There's a lot of you know, hurdles
Speaker 4: they have to get through before that could happen.
Speaker 5: But you know, that's the tough part.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's what's one of the reasons
Speaker 4: why when you heard Miles Garrett talk earlier this offseason about,
Speaker 4: you know, when you get traded from Cleveland, go to
Speaker 4: a to a contender, try to win.
Speaker 5: A Super Bowl. That's every player's desire, you know.
Speaker 4: I think once they're solidified, once they've demonstrated being and
Speaker 4: playing at at the highest level of any player at
Speaker 4: their position, you know, Miles Garrett in that conversation, Zach
Speaker 4: Martin's in that conversation.
Speaker 5: And I think the hardest thing is it's it's for
Speaker 5: a lot of these.
Speaker 4: Guys, especially that playing in the trenches right now, they
Speaker 4: feel like crap. Their body feels like crap, probably still
Speaker 4: from the season and the aches and pains and everything else.
Speaker 4: But then you kind of get through a period of
Speaker 4: time where, like let's says, not even a part of
Speaker 4: the OTAs and and mini camp by June July gets
Speaker 4: warm outside, your body starts feel a little better, you
Speaker 4: know it Just that's the hard part is you wonder
Speaker 4: if he'll have second thoughts, or you wonder if you
Speaker 4: know a player who's played at his caliber at a
Speaker 4: really high level for the entire of his career doesn't
Speaker 4: say like, well, maybe I want to come back, give
Speaker 4: it one more shot, or maybe if I do come back,
Speaker 4: I want to try to come back for a contender,
Speaker 4: So let's try to make this go work elsewhere. I
Speaker 4: just obviously my career was never anywhere close to that,
Speaker 4: so those thoughts, you know, for me, it was always
Speaker 4: about like I would have I would want to I
Speaker 4: probably would have exhausted a little bit more of an
Speaker 4: opportunity to play in the NFL had I not had.
Speaker 5: The job that was presented to be on TV.
Speaker 4: Like, it was never something I aim for, never something
Speaker 4: I wanted to do, but once it was presented, and honestly,
Speaker 4: after the first year, and there were some calls here
Speaker 4: and there, you know, during that season when I was
Speaker 4: calling games for college and NFL, I kind of was
Speaker 4: presented with an opportunity to start, you know, calling a
Speaker 4: full time and at that point I really had to
Speaker 4: do some soul searching and thinking, like, don't pass up
Speaker 4: something that maybe God's given me or this is a
Speaker 4: great opportunity for me, that could be the next thing
Speaker 4: I do in my life and try to chase something
Speaker 4: that like maybe that door is closed and you're just
Speaker 4: not listening to it, and so you know, it was
Speaker 4: not easy, but like again, you know, those those decisions
Speaker 4: are honestly made for ninety eight percent of players. You know,
Speaker 4: Zach Martin's a part of that one two percent that
Speaker 4: can make a decision on when he wants to retire
Speaker 4: on his own. And it's very rare that players are
Speaker 4: able to do that and get out, you know, relatively healthy.
Speaker 4: So kudos to him on a Hall of Fame career.
Speaker 4: You know, I'd love to see him keep playing because
Speaker 4: he's such a great player. But I think I think
Speaker 4: everyone can kind of understand the position that he's in.
Speaker 3: I think one thing you also got to take into consideration.
Speaker 3: I know it was. It was a determining factor for
Speaker 3: me walking away was my knee. My knee was bothering me.
Speaker 3: I blew my achilles tending out, and that was kind
Speaker 3: of it. Like I knew I was overcompensating because of
Speaker 3: how my knee felt, and I blew my achilles tending
Speaker 3: out when you're dealing with weight bearing, nagging injuries. Which
Speaker 3: he was an iron man. He played and he didn't
Speaker 3: deal with injuries, and now he's dealing with ankle ankle injuries.
Speaker 3: The things that you're asked to do, and it may
Speaker 3: look minimum to the onlooker, like offensive linemen don't have
Speaker 3: to go very far. Right, like you pull around. The
Speaker 3: most running you do. You pull around and maybe you run,
Speaker 3: you know, an average of maybe ten yards or so
Speaker 3: a little maybe a little bit more, but hard. You're
Speaker 3: probably running like like ten yards within a pooling play
Speaker 3: of what you're doing. But when you have to deal
Speaker 3: with that and your weight bearing joints are giving you
Speaker 3: problems and giving you issues, whether it's your nees, whether
Speaker 3: it's your ankles, whether it's your toes or your feet,
Speaker 3: or your hip or your quads, whatever it may be,
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you it changed just everything. Like I
Speaker 3: could deal with my arm having tingles, I could deal
Speaker 3: with my fingers being sore. I can deal with my shoulders.
Speaker 3: I can deal with those things. But when it came
Speaker 3: down to having to deal with how I had to
Speaker 3: warm up, I would I would get up at least
Speaker 3: an hour and a half before everybody was slated to
Speaker 3: come in for a training camp for regular days of work,
Speaker 3: and I would go through a whole routine of going
Speaker 3: through ice and heat and movement stem every single day
Speaker 3: just to get warmed up to be ready to practice.
Speaker 3: And I'm not nowhere near as big as a guy
Speaker 3: like Zach. So to me, I think one of the
Speaker 3: determining factors when you think about moving forward is how
Speaker 3: do I do it? Sometimes it's just a matter of
Speaker 3: how do I get through practices? You know? I remember
Speaker 3: going down one time my ankle started hurting so bad
Speaker 3: because I was compensating for what my knee was feeling.
Speaker 3: I couldn't even make it through the individual period. The
Speaker 3: coach looked at me like, are you fit serious? And
Speaker 3: sit it out loud like I pulled out and grabbed
Speaker 3: my ankle. I'm like, yo, I'm done. I can't do this.
Speaker 3: I can't do the drills. In fact, I don't even
Speaker 3: think I could do the practice. And I had the
Speaker 3: trainers come over to me. I'm just saying, some people,
Speaker 3: the level of pain that you start to have to
Speaker 3: deal with that circulates through your body when it's weight bearing,
Speaker 3: because there's no way around it. There's no way you
Speaker 3: can get around weight bearing situations and pain that can
Speaker 3: really really force you to take a good, long heart,
Speaker 3: look at yourself and say can I do it? Not
Speaker 3: just do I want to do it? Because the part
Speaker 3: of you that says you want to do it says
Speaker 3: you're going to find a way to do it and
Speaker 3: get through it. You start realizing that that can I
Speaker 3: get through it becomes a bigger question then do I
Speaker 3: want to do it?
Speaker 2: And to the previous point, you know, I think this
Speaker 2: is also an indication that he looks around and goes, oh,
Speaker 2: we're not going to be any good. Yeah, like oo, yeah,
Speaker 2: we don't like the Eagles, just want a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Washington's getting better. Now, I'm good here. I'll take my
Speaker 2: you know, one hundred and eleven million dollar plus, you know,
Speaker 2: money I've made in my career and just walk away
Speaker 2: and get ready for the Hall of Fame and Canton
Speaker 2: in five years from now. So hell of a run
Speaker 2: for him, by the way, it just would like to
Speaker 2: point out something that was you know, I don't know
Speaker 2: if they meant to insult a certain member of this show,
Speaker 2: but Brady Quinn pointing out how you know, if not
Speaker 2: for TV. You know, I would have kept on playing
Speaker 2: like we're just gonna go well, I would.
Speaker 4: Have exhausted more efforts, I think, which was at that
Speaker 4: point in my career, you know, similar to LeVar, Like
Speaker 4: I back issues, I had a foot issue.
Speaker 5: There are a number of things that weren't going for me.
Speaker 3: The way I would have liked to.
Speaker 2: So I mean, we're just gonna go ahead and skip
Speaker 2: past you know, Sunday night sports radio with me. I
Speaker 2: guess we're just gonna skip past that and just go
Speaker 2: straight to.
Speaker 3: TV, is what? Oh wow, pulled well.
Speaker 4: First off, that actually was not with you for like
Speaker 4: two more years.
Speaker 3: I actually worked with you before you did. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: the film. Just so you're clear, buddy, Me and you
Speaker 3: got more history than you. People may not know that.
Speaker 3: People may not know that, but we cracked the microphone
Speaker 3: and was in front of a camera before he even
Speaker 3: worked with you. Yeah that's right there you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then I got hold of him and never
Speaker 2: looked back.
Speaker 3: Hey, no, doubt got to start somewhere.
Speaker 5: That's not true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not true.
Speaker 5: Just like bringing bringing someone back home from Vegas. That's what.
Speaker 2: So shut you on that, Joe Davis.
Speaker 3: You know all these other all these.
Speaker 2: Other people that thought they could, you know, try and
Speaker 2: convince Brady to stick around long term. Joe Davis who
Speaker 2: ad Tim Brando, like all these guys stocked, all these
Speaker 2: legends out there, no chance not have Rob Stone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can go chase him around at a bowling tournament
Speaker 2: all you want. He knows when they come home.
Speaker 3: He knew where he got it from.
Speaker 4: You like that, Just go ahead and tease what we're
Speaker 4: talking about. The next segment that's gonna be.
Speaker 3: Lee because Emily, if you think that.
Speaker 5: This is gonna happen over the break, you're dead wrong.
Speaker 4: We come back from this break, we're gonna be talking
Speaker 4: about what the hell is happening at Casa da Day.
Speaker 3: Delaud No, he gave us the beats on the door
Speaker 3: and the break it exactly it is can't miss Radio,
Speaker 3: by the way, And that's not just the dope ass tease,
Speaker 3: it's the truth.
Speaker 2: So here's a teas for you. If you think your
Speaker 2: current situation is a little bit screwed up, you got
Speaker 2: nothing on this next one here on the Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio
Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeart Radio app search FSR
Speaker 1: to listen.
Speaker 2: Live Zed's dead Baby. Yeah, it's the Dan Patrick Show
Speaker 2: here on Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn in
Speaker 2: for Dan and the guys. Coming up top of next
Speaker 2: hour a little over ten minutes from now. Some bad news.
Speaker 2: Somebody's had a real bad week upon further review in
Speaker 2: the world of sports, we'll get into that for you
Speaker 2: here on FSR. But a little shout out here. Even
Speaker 2: though you're listening to us, now, did you know you
Speaker 2: can also see us. Be sure to check out the
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio YouTube channel. Just search Fox Sports Radio
Speaker 2: on YouTube. You'll see a whole bunch of video highlights
Speaker 2: from our shows. Be sure to subscribe so you always
Speaker 2: have instant access to our Fox Sports Radio videos on YouTube.
Speaker 2: All right, So our executive producer, Lee the Laugh who
Speaker 2: wants no part of this one.
Speaker 3: So no, but this is going to be good. Don't
Speaker 3: you hold back either, Lee, don't you hold back well?
Speaker 3: Will withhold the names? Don't use any names. But this
Speaker 3: story is phenomens, It's story.
Speaker 5: Why is that? Why you guys dump me the first time? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Used her name?
Speaker 3: Well? And and what was connected to what you said. Oh,
Speaker 3: come on, no one's connecting that together. It was a
Speaker 3: little connectable. But you know, I'm with you. I mean,
Speaker 3: if you look it up on the internet and you
Speaker 3: that's not a hill. I want you that. I don't
Speaker 3: want you to die on that hill. You guys are crazy, hey,
Speaker 3: but I don't want you to die on that hill.
Speaker 3: Use separately, I probably wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 2: It's all good yourself slightly like clearly on the air,
Speaker 2: dump that.
Speaker 3: I mean, he is he is. That's like the most
Speaker 3: is the most to hear?
Speaker 2: Why the most sober lease outed on the air the
Speaker 2: last three years of him saying dump that, I.
Speaker 3: Mean he was on it. He was on that one.
Speaker 3: He ain't on much, but he was on that one.
Speaker 4: It's it's weird, man, like you're more open to defending
Speaker 4: her than you are us.
Speaker 3: Let me just put it that that that's not that's
Speaker 3: not inaccurate. That is not inaccurate.
Speaker 6: Now I don't know if that's accurate at all.
Speaker 3: If you had to throw cats under the bus and
Speaker 3: you had to order it with us three of all
Speaker 3: and her her no.
Speaker 6: Way, always, no way, no way. I under the bus
Speaker 6: all the time.
Speaker 3: Nobody, nobody who never throw you guys under the bus.
Speaker 3: Newbody tell story. Lee.
Speaker 4: I don't even I don't even trust you when you
Speaker 4: say stuff like this because you've told me to my face.
Speaker 5: You're like, yeah, I lie all the time. I do.
Speaker 3: But to you guys, yes you will.
Speaker 1: Do you just lie?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: You were like, oh you just you do know? You
Speaker 4: just you stayed back down the bar. I literally witnessed
Speaker 4: that fifteen minutes time.
Speaker 6: No, that was different because I had to go down
Speaker 6: to get my charger from somebody else who was bringing
Speaker 6: it to me from RAI row.
Speaker 5: You're drinking at the bar.
Speaker 2: It is charged, having to be at the bottom of
Speaker 2: a margarita glass.
Speaker 3: So I just thought, I hear.
Speaker 6: Things changed. Things changed when I told you something that
Speaker 6: was in my heart that was the truth. And then
Speaker 6: I get up to my room. I get you.
Speaker 3: Know that still makes you a liar?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see you, guys, if in your heart you
Speaker 2: meant what you said at the moment in time, but
Speaker 2: you changed and did something change, things changed, you still lied.
Speaker 3: About what you were going to do. You do know that?
Speaker 3: Like if you said, oh, I'm going to bed, and
Speaker 3: we went to bed thinking, oh, Lee's going to bed.
Speaker 3: Let's go to bed. We go to bed, and we
Speaker 3: see that you didn't go to bed. Just because you
Speaker 3: changed your mind doesn't mean you're not culpable of the
Speaker 3: lie that you told. You lied.
Speaker 6: I lied, but it wasn't with the intention of life.
Speaker 6: I had a change of heart. I would have told you.
Speaker 6: I would have if it was in my heart at the.
Speaker 3: Time that no. I told you that. Q. Did you
Speaker 3: get a text message from Lee say I changed my mind.
Speaker 3: I'm at the border.
Speaker 4: I don't get anything. I told you guys. I had
Speaker 4: a fat man moment. I went downstairs to get a package,
Speaker 4: and then I ordered a milkshake because I wanted a milkshake.
Speaker 4: And that's where I happened to see Lee at the bar.
Speaker 4: There was no Charger in sight. He was just, you know,
Speaker 4: chuck him off with everyone there.
Speaker 3: There we go by the way.
Speaker 2: I would love to see Lee get cross examined during
Speaker 2: like a real real case. They would break him down
Speaker 2: so fast. So are you lying, sir, No, not this time,
Speaker 2: not in my heart?
Speaker 3: Lee? Oh you do know that that's what an habitual
Speaker 3: liar does. You're a habitual You're greatly Let's talk. Let's
Speaker 3: tell you guys, sound like her. Let's tee story. Here
Speaker 3: we go. That's a great segue and transition. Tell us
Speaker 3: the story, Lee, what story do you want? I mean
Speaker 3: the living situation clearly.
Speaker 6: Well, the living situation is Uh, regular listeners knows that
Speaker 6: my house is currently being rented out for the month.
Speaker 5: So why is it being rented out?
Speaker 6: Lee?
Speaker 5: Why are you trying to sell the house?
Speaker 3: Well, because you want to break up with your chick
Speaker 3: and y'all wanted to go your separate ways and divvy
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we've had our troubles since. Yes, so we've had
Speaker 6: it on the market.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: In the meantime, we had rented it out.
Speaker 3: No, No, you're missing you're renting I loss, but you're
Speaker 3: we're missing a piece of the story. At some point
Speaker 3: during you guys doing this, you guys rekindled your your
Speaker 3: love and actually want to stay together. Yeah okay, but
Speaker 3: but you got to put that out there, Lee, I
Speaker 3: still rented the place out, didn't sell it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's basically to pay for you know. The idea
Speaker 6: was to go on vacation, use the together rented together.
Speaker 6: Yeah okay, Yeah, she's got a few businesses overseas.
Speaker 1: We go.
Speaker 6: I was gonna go check out the landscape out there.
Speaker 3: Well, how how are those businesses doing?
Speaker 5: Landscape? What you're doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, So so right now we're back for
Speaker 3: the month.
Speaker 6: She was gone, uh doing some business stuff. I was
Speaker 6: out in New Orleans. We've since gotten back together. We
Speaker 6: were in the rat motel for a week.
Speaker 3: Her business doesn't do well enough, and you don't do
Speaker 3: well enough here for you guys to have a place,
Speaker 3: it wouldn't be outside of the place.
Speaker 6: It wouldn't It would wouldn't make great economical sense where
Speaker 6: we were at my folks place.
Speaker 3: Why did it make sense to rent the apartment out?
Speaker 6: Because the idea was to use that money to go
Speaker 6: on vacation and would pay for the mortgage.
Speaker 3: It would be a little bit of a loss, but
Speaker 3: it would pay for vacation. We got to continue this
Speaker 3: in the next the next hour, bro, we got this
Speaker 3: is not We had, by no means gotten close enough
Speaker 3: to the end of this story.
Speaker 6: But it's okay because this is a deep rabbit It's
Speaker 6: an ongoing songing.
Speaker 3: This rabbit hole is super deep. I don't know if
Speaker 3: it is, Oh it is.
Speaker 2: I just hopefully we will get a chance to explain
Speaker 2: himself you know, I feel like he was derailed there.
Speaker 3: You know, that'd be ten dollars. What do you mean
Speaker 3: that'll be ten dollars. That was very passive. Agree, let's
Speaker 3: take a break. Let's take a break. I'll tell you