WEBVTT - Selects: Could There Be A Loch Ness Monster? 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.800 Hey, everybody in Happy New Year. It's me Josh, and 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:07.400 for this week's select, I've chosen a nice, easy, interesting 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.960 episode that doesn't require too many brain cells, just a 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:14.600 neat story about the centuries long hunt for the Locknest Monster. 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:17.280 Maybe you can listen on New Year's Day when you're 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:19.640 on the couch, or to help you on wine from 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.720 the holidays, or to help you sleep. This one would 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:26.279 be good for sleeping. So sit back, relax, mellow out, 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:29.800 and enjoy this episode. Happy New Year to you all, 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:37.080 and to my sweet wife Umi, Happy birthday. Welcome to 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:46.720 Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey, and 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.320 welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles W. 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.760 Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry Jerome Rowland over there. So 0:00:53.800 --> 0:01:01.240 this is stuff you should know. Is that Frankenstein? Is 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:05.040 that Frankenstein? Or what? No? You got your arms extended 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:07.440 like it is? Oh? Those are arms? Those are flippers. 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:12.320 Oh I see I'm a monster. Okay, that was a 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:17.000 groundskeeper Willie clothes. Yeah, that was pretty good. The country 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:21.119 are we? Are you doing like a Lochness monster impression? Man, 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:25.720 you're good. I used the powers of deduction like Sherlock 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.480 Holmes did in the Private Life of Sherlock Holmes. Oh, 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:32.080 look at that little bit of foreshadowing. By the way, 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.120 we covered a bit of this everyone we Know and 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:39.840 Sea Monsters four years ago. But we felt this monster 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:44.920 was so great that or she perhaps, yeah, maybe Nessie 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:48.920 deserved her own space. Let's just go with there. Sure, 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:52.360 why not? Right? So? Um, yeah, I went back. I 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.800 was like, I feel like we definitely did a Lockness episode. 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.280 But no, it's just a little little passage in the 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:02.640 Sea Monster episode. So we'll flesh that out a little bit. Okay, sure, 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:08.799 so Chuck, let's go back about ten thousand years. Okay, 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.399 we need a lot of kerosene in the Way Back 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:19.239 Machine and human excrement farts. Can I say that? Well 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.720 you just did, all right, we'll see if that stays. 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.360 So human farts and kerosene apparently now power the way 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.799 Back Machine. Oh it always did. Maybe Jerry will add 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:39.079 some extra sound effects. So here we are, and we're 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:43.240 actually chucking the lamb that will become Scotland in a 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:47.040 few thousand years. And if you'll look right there, right there, 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:51.079 there's a glacier retreating. It's melting as it melting, it's 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:54.560 filling up this gouge in the earth. And this gouge, 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:58.760 Chuck is eventually going to be called lock Mess. That's right. 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.480 And this gouge, my friend, as you know, is not 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:06.760 huge as far as square miles go, but it's very 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.920 very deep. It is. It's like so Lachnus is like 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.440 long and narrow, and it like it was created when 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.320 an ice sheet gouged the rocky earth in Scotland ten 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.400 thousand years ago and then the ice melton filled it 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.720 in basically like I just said. And it was a 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:26.560 deep gouge, not very wide, but it's like deeper than 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:30.960 the North Sea. Yes, around Scotland. It looks like thirty 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:35.520 six kilometers or twenty three miles long. And then most 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:40.160 recently the newest deep its depth is measured it close 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:45.080 to nine hundred feet, which is staggering. Yeah, it's so 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:47.760 it's like a thousandth the size of Lake Michigan, but 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.560 it's three and a half times deeper than Lake Erie Man. 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.760 That's deep. It is very very fair lake. It's also 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.440 really dark too, because the runoff from the land around 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:01.240 it's very peat rich, which is black, and so that 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:03.120 that runoff goes into the lake and it turns the 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.680 lake a very very dark color. So it's like it 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.280 looks mysterious, like you can look at Locknets. I've never 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:12.200 been there personally aside from this time now that we're here. Sure, um, 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.560 but from what I understand, it is a like a 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:20.600 nice mysterious looking lake. Yeah, and that I mean, I've 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:24.560 always thought it looked creepy, but it's beautiful really. But 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:29.760 there's something about deep dark and you know, reputed monsters 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:31.480 that will do that to you over the years. Yeah, 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.320 you know lake lakes in Georgia, I don't. I heard 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:38.600 once there's no natural lake in Georgia that every single 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.680 lake in Georgia is man made by Power Power Company. 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:43.520 As far as that, I mean, I don't know as 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.200 far as I know that's true. There may be there 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.000 may be a natural lake somewhere that I don't know 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.440 about in the mountains. But I think they're supposedly all 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.600 Georgia power lakes, aren't they. That's that's what I understand, 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.680 And every single one of them, I mean, they're they're 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.520 no deeper than like thirty forty fifty feet. It's not 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.479 very deep at all, as far as lakes go, and 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.400 a lot of them have like flooded structures, like they 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:07.880 built a dam and like the water built up around 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.480 it and flooded like towns or whatever. For sure, Like 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:15.800 there's a gulf station at um under Lake Lanier, I believe, right, Yeah, 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.880 I mean there there are yeah, automobiles supposedly an old 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.280 remnants of houses under a lot of these lakes. It's 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.080 like a brother art though, when they've flooded the valley 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.479 exactly same thing. So when you're when you're swimming in 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.159 a lake in Georgia and it's just like thirty forty 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.720 fifty feet deep, you can just feel everything underneath you 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:36.280 imagine what it must be like swimming in a lake 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.440 and feeling that there's nine hundred feet between you and 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.080 the bottom of this lake and what all is there? Yeah, 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:43.800 you could I don't know, I feel like you could 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:47.040 probably sense that feeling, right. So if you put all 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:48.919 this together, you can kind of say, well, of course 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.080 people are saying that that there's something in locknets. You 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:53.960 can just look at it and think there's got to 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.960 be something hiding under there. And apparently that's been the 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:01.200 case for many, many thousands of years from what we understand. 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.440 Uh yeah, I mean this was I had no idea 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.560 that this went back that far. But there were these 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:11.479 people um way back in the day called the picks Picts, 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.440 and they were a tattoo covered tribe who were fierce warriors, 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:20.760 and the Romans named them painted ones I guess because 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:26.159 of their tattoos. And they carved these um I guess 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:29.720 they're just like it says, standing stones, but with little 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:34.080 carving like clay, like a wall carvings. They're No, they're like, 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:38.360 it's a free standing carved stone that has like pictures 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.960 of animals on them. But is it like a sculpture. No, 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.640 it's like a flat stone that they used is basically 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.920 like a canvas. But it's it's a it's a stone. 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.200 It's a free standing stone, all right, Because I saw 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.120 the pictures, but they were so close up you couldn't 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:54.360 really get that big image. But a long story short, 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.320 they were actually you know, animals and things like everyone 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.680 else that drew on cave walls. You would draw what's 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:04.520 around you and everything can pretty much be explained, except 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:07.599 for this one. They carved the Lockness Monster. We'll just 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:09.960 go ahead and say it. Yeah, it looks it looks 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.760 like kind of a seahorsey kind of thing, or you know. 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.840 And this article, one of the articles we used, was 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:21.920 from Nova PBS's Nova series and they basically point out 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.400 that if you look at all the other carvings that 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:28.640 the Picks made, they're immediately identifiable what animal they were 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.320 they were drawing. Sure with this particular one called the 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.600 Picked Beasts, no one has any idea and they're like, oh, okay, 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.480 well it was the Lockness monster that they drew, right, 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:43.560 Or an elephant that's swimming maybe, which, um, well, I 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:45.840 don't want to spoil it, but elephants do swim a 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:50.520 long distance. Yeah, that's the thing that connects the two 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.800 episodes today, isn't it. That's right, swimming elephants. Who'd a 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:58.040 thought that one thing? So, the Picks, at least as 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:02.120 far as fifteen hundred years ago, we're drawing pictures of 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.840 sea monsters around Scotland, and there's a lot of legends 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:06.880 of like sea monsters that we talked about in the 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.960 Sea Monsters episode in Scotland in general, not just lock 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:12.560 Nest like they're crazy for him. Yeah, they really are, 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.800 and they have all sorts of scary um stories behind 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:20.679 them like the water kelpie. Yeah, that was that frightened 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.400 me reading it at my desk, right where the water 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.640 kelpie will come up and say, hey, kids, you want 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.280 to ride on my back through through the lock. It's 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:32.080 gonna be fun, sure, And because all this guy's kids 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.400 sound like that, And they jump on and they're immediately 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.120 stuck to the beast, which takes them down to the 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.040 depths of the lock, and they all drown and then chuck. 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.440 And then I think you should take it from here. 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:48.319 Why which part their heads become stuck? And they're right, 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.480 and they drown and die. But then what happens the 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:54.920 next day? Oh yeah, this is I'm not quite sure 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:58.200 how this happens. But their livers wash ashore the next day. 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.439 So I guess the beast likes to eat every all 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.640 of the child except for the liver, which I get. 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.840 I don't like liver either. No, I don't like liver myself, 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:13.280 especially kid liver, right, which you would think would be delectable, 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:17.440 but yeah no. So um that So fifteen hundred years ago, 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:22.120 Lochness Monster possibly with the picks. We fast forward about 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.560 a thousand years beyond that, there was a saint named 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:29.360 Saint Colomba who showed up in Ireland and said, hey, heathens, 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:33.800 have you ever seen any pamphlets or brochures about Christianity? 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.640 I have someone I can give you, and converted the 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:41.520 Scots to Christianity in like five sixty five, I think 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.439 around that time. And there's a story of Saint Colomba 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:48.480 who was going to visit a Pictish king and said, 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.360 on the way, stopped at the lock and looked out 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.360 on the lock and there was some Scottish guy swimming 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:59.920 and Saint Columba saw a monster swimming toward the guy 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.959 as if to attack them, and held up his hand 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.280 and said, in the name of God, I command you 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.400 to turn around and swim away, and apparently the monster did. 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:12.439 And this really, I guess, extended Saint Columba's credibility among 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.120 the picks. Yeah, and I think we could just end 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.960 the show right there. There you go, that's the lockness 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:24.680 months proven by history, right, and then flash forward again. 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.520 There was a BBC correspondent name Nicholas Witchell. And there 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.240 are a lot of people who over the years, we'll 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.280 talk about a lot of them who have really gotten 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.560 into this, like quit their jobs and this became their 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.840 job kind of thing. Yeah, like it gets under your skin, yeah, 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:45.640 under your under your lackey beastly skin. And he wrote 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.040 a book in nineteen seventy four called The Lockness Story, 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.040 and he ended up digging up about a dozen or 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:56.160 so references pre twentieth century to some sort of monster 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.600 out there. Yeah, and it really started to pick up weirdly, 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:04.599 like the late the second half of the nineteenth century, 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.760 and there it was sporadic. But the year of the 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:13.120 Lochness Monster, the year the Lochness Monster became part of 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:17.679 the public consciousness, was nineteen thirty three. Though for sure, 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.000 that sounds like a great place to take a break. 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:46.640 Oh boy, okay, let's do it all right, Chuck so 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:48.960 I said. Nineteen thirty three was the year that the 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.840 Lochness Monster kind of hit the global scene, like really 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:56.559 made the world party. Yeah, and for a good reason. 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.360 They finally built a road that went around the the 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:04.080 shore on the north side, specifically so you could all 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.640 of a sudden, you could drive on this lock and 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:10.240 you could look at it and stare at it and 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.200 eventually see something if you spend enough time there. And 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.920 in April that happened, mister and Missus McKay were local 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.120 to the region. They were driving home and they saw 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.040 what they described as the most extraordinary form of animal 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:27.120 rolling and plunging on the surface. That was written up 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:31.000 in the Invernous Courier and they used the word monster 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.040 for the first time, and so the Lochness Monster was 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.400 officially born. And that whole year, I mean that was 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:41.520 in the in April. That whole year, there were different 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:45.680 sightings and just kind of the fever really hit a 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.080 fever pitch. The fever hit a fever pitch. It was 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:53.599 pretty feverish very quickly that year. Yeah. So there was 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.160 something else that happened in nineteen thirty three two that 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.000 I've seen a lot of people point to is potentially 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.839 something that kind of kept the media interest going, was 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:07.040 that King Kong was released basically worldwide in nineteen thirty three. 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.200 We have it, and there's like a whole thing about 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.160 you know this, that whole forbidden island where King Kong lives, 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.600 where like dinosaurs are still alive and stuff like that, 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.440 and a lot of people point to, you know, being 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.840 exposed to that as kind of keeping this like bringing 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.160 it to that fever pitch, you know. Yeah, I mean 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:26.840 there were more eyewitness sighting. Supposedly a motorcyclist saw one 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:32.160 on like crossing the road. Supposedly, they offered up a circus, 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:35.600 offered up a reward of twenty thousand pounds. People were 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:37.640 camping out and kind of, you know, just kind of 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:41.280 waiting for NeSSI to appear. And then finally in December, 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.000 the London and this story you're gonna want to listen 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:46.880 closely and then put a pin in it so it'll 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.320 come back to haunt us later or not to us. 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:53.160 But you know, the show the world party. But the 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:57.800 London Daily Mail hired an actor, a director and a 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.760 big game hunter. This is a great name all rolled 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:06.959 into one. Yeah, Marmaduke weatherell great name and said, listen, dude, 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:10.599 you have all these skills. You are a director and 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.480 actor and you know your way around the forest and 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:17.320 the lake, so get out there and see what you 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.160 can do. He said, that was the most bizarre pep 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.280 talk anyone's ever given. He's like, I know all these things, right, 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.240 but I appreciate it anyway. So the yeah, the Daily 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.120 Mail sent them up there to figure out what was 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.000 going on. This was December. Did you say yeah, December 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.800 of thirty three. So um, and again this whole thing 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.200 started in April and we'd been building and building and 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.680 then by the time so the Daily Mail, they were like, 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.880 you know, basically like the Daily Mail is now from 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:47.040 what I understand, Like super you know what I'm saying, 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.080 it's the Daily Mail. I don't really think you have 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.160 to put it in any other way. Well, are they 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.520 like a tabloid? Oh yeah, yeah for sure? Okay, I 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.760 mean I always get the those UK rags confused on 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.880 which ones are like, you know, tabloid in which ones 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:05.520 are reputable. They were printing clickbait before computers were around, 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.520 before they even knew what that was. And they're like, 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.120 why are we calling it clickbait? Yeah, like what's a mouse? 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:15.080 They called it thumbait? Right, Actually they called them. Remember 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.280 we talked about this in our tabloid episode. They called 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.920 it like like, hey, Martha's stories like stories so amazing 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.440 that they got like the reader to say, hey, Martha, 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.000 listen to this. Do we do a show on tabloids? 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:29.720 You don't remember? No, we did. It was a good one. Wow, 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.120 I know it's we should just sit around and listen 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:38.560 to old episodes sometime refresh our memory. Yeah, okay, so 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.680 one of the else shows up to lock Ans among 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.160 like a lot of pomp and circumstances. The Daily Mail 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.960 didn't like just quietly send them there. They really promoted 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.920 this and he starts searching and within just a few 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.920 days he found something. He found tracks in the mud 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:58.960 around locked Ass and he did his measurements because again 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:03.600 remember he's a big game tracker, outdoorsman, and he he 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.400 and an actor, a fit not a not a successful actor. 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.560 I get the impression that he was like, um, kind 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:14.120 of an Edwood type actor director. Okay, um, but he uh, 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:19.280 he calculated that the animal that made these tracks with 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.080 like I think four toad tracks in the mud was 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.280 at least twenty feet long. And this happened at December. 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.400 He took plaster casts and he sent them off to 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.920 the UM, the Royal Museum, you know, the Natural History 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:35.480 Museum in London, to to be analyzed just as Christmas 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.480 set in. Yeah. So, even though this was potentially the 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:42.200 you know, greatest find zoological find in the world in 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.400 world history, they were like, we still have to go 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:49.200 on break right on holiday. Bob Cratchett commands it. Everyone 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:53.840 waited they did come back from holiday and uh, you know, 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.840 monster hunters were all over London, that are all over 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:01.320 Lochness and they were super excited. And then in January 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:06.359 zoologist said, um, bad news. Not only is this the 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.840 footprint of a hippopotamus, because that would have been pretty 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.280 amazing in and of itself, right, right, yeah, like, what's 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.360 hippopotamus doing there? Right? But they said no, no, no, 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:19.440 it was a taxidermy hippopotamus foot and it was probably 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:22.240 like an ashtray or an umbrella. Stand right. Somebody just 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:26.400 walks around and went foot here, footprint here, footprint there, 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:30.479 and Weatherell fell for it. So I there's a question 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.480 of whether he was the perpetrator of the fraud or 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.159 whether he was, you know, the victim of this fraud. 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.000 But he fell for it, and he was humiliated. I 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:46.160 didn't see any actual like articles, but apparently the Daily Mail, 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:50.320 the paper that sent him up there, said like humiliated 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.600 him in there in their coverage of the whole thing. 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.520 So he retreated from public view. He was humiliated. And 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:01.280 don't forget Duke weather Eye he comes back later. Yeah, 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:05.119 And not only did they ruin his good name or 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:10.080 his mediocre name. At least, the whole incident just sort 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:14.680 of put a damper on Nessie for a few decades. Yeah, Yeah, 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.880 kind of brought out the crackpots and anyone that had 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:21.359 any sightings they would be dismissed and said, to know, 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.080 it's an illusion. It was a duck or a or 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.159 a log floating, or a swimming deer or something, and 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.840 just it sort of put a big dent in this 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.000 being taken seriously for a long time. The impression that 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:34.720 I have is that the world was kind of like 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.280 fool me once, you know, like they gotten all wrapped 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.520 up in this whole thing, and then you know it 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:42.760 was proved to be a big fraud. So everybody just 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:46.000 abandoned the Lochness Monster. Well most people did, anybody who 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.600 seemed legitimate, especially if you were a scientist. The Lochness 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.959 Monster was not real. Yeah, But that did not stop 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:58.199 just regular human beings and monster hunters to not go 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.119 there anymore. They were still into it. I think there 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.240 was a book in nineteen seventy four that said more 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:08.040 than four thousand people, you know, have said that they 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.960 saw something. That's a lot of people, and not only that, 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.400 but all of the or a lot of the eyewitness 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.320 accounts were really similar, and a lot of them were 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:18.760 from people that were you know, there was a Nobel 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:22.119 Prize winner. There were scientists and teachers and lawyers and priests, like, 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:25.720 it wasn't just a bunch of kooks like you and 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.280 I out there. Yeah, there was a guy named doctor 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.320 Richard Cinch. He was a biochemist who won the Nobel 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.720 Prize who said he saw something, and like you said, 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:37.960 they kind of bore a similar similarities in these reports, 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.720 Like there were humps, at least one or two humps 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.840 rising above the surface, like an overturned boat. Maybe it 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:47.280 was an overturned boat. Maybe. So a lot of people 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.639 reported something with a long, slender neck and a small 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:54.000 head rising out of the surface, rising out from the lake. 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.640 And there was this local doctor named Constance White who 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.679 was I think she might have lived in Inverness. She 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.119 lived around Lochness, and she had a lot of friends 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.640 who had come forward and said, you know, I've seen this, 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.119 and people just shouted and laughed at them and they 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:13.359 were humiliated themselves, and she said, enough of this, I 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:18.120 believe there's something there. I think these accounts are similar 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.080 enough that there's really kind of lends some credence to 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:24.280 this idea, and she started collecting all these different reports 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.560 and published the reports along with sketches from the people 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:30.680 who had who's made these reports, into a book called 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:34.440 More Than a Legend in nineteen fifty seven. And it 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:39.359 took the Lochness frivolity and turned it back into a 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:48.080 potentially scientifically studiable thing. Yeah, for sure, it didn't. It's 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.919 not like it fully legitimized it, but it kind of 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:54.080 reminded people like, hey, it's not just a bunch of 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:58.040 crackpots out here making stuff up, Like there have been 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:02.719 some reputable people who've very similar things, and here they 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:06.400 are all collected in one space. So that inspired more 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:12.120 people to namely the scientific community, to get involved. Yeah, 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:17.480 and it happened in about a ten year period. There 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:24.000 were four different expeditions from Oxford, Cambridge, University of Birmingham 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:27.520 and the BBC that all went out there and did 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:33.240 their own expeditions and investigations with sonar, which was a 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:37.320 new I guess a newer technology at the time that 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:39.760 allows you to use sound to search underwater for something, 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:44.200 and it basically was a little bit better than someone 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.200 sitting in their lawn chair with binoculars for hours on end, 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:50.159 which is what people were mostly doing. I guess in 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:54.000 that first wave in the early thirties, these what they 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:59.359 had right. But then so Constance White. White's book also 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.520 kind of gave rise to a second wave of Lockness 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:06.960 hunters inspired a lot of people. There was the Lochness 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.520 Investigation Bureau, which set up shop on the shore of 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:16.200 the loch and kept watch and led investigations and expeditions 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:18.679 for like a decade, I think from sixty two to 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:22.719 seventy two. And there's no that's not Bad's pretty spending 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:25.040 ten years looking for the Lockness Monster. I think you've 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:28.840 you've established your bona feed, as you know. And then 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:33.679 Tim Dinsdale was a He was an aeronautical engineer and 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:36.199 he became kind of a famous Lockness hunter because on 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:40.119 his after reading more than a Legend that Constant White book, 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:44.320 he was inspired to go hunt for the Lochness Monster, 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:48.680 and on his first time out he caught something very 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:52.159 weird moving away from him on the loch in on film. 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:55.800 Have you seen it? Yeah, I've looked at all this stuff. 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:58.960 Where do you think? I think some of it looks 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:02.760 very interesting. They didn't stale film in particular. Looks pretty 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.879 interesting to me too. Yeah, agreed, Ye, I'm not going 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:07.840 to go out there. Well, let's just save I'll save 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:12.080 my judgment save it. Um. But in the like I said, 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:16.080 over the years, as technology got better, UM, they started 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:20.879 using this technology. In the nineteen seventies, there was in 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:24.520 a series of expeditions UM sponsored by Academy of Applied 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:28.640 Science out of a Boston and they were the first 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:31.639 people to combine sonar because they're all already using that, 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:36.800 but sonar and underwater photography under the leadership of a 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:41.160 guy named Robert Rines, who was I love this description, 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:44.600 a lawyer trained in physics, right, and they were using 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:48.920 side scan sonar, which we've talked about before a couple 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:53.959 of times over the years. Yeah, maybe pressure hunting or something, 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:59.600 Okay or Barbie, I don't remember one of those. But 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:02.480 here here's the idea there is you combine side scan 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:08.480 sonar with and time it along with your underwater photography 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:12.639 and if you get something a picture snapped at the 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:15.359 same time, you get a let's call it a ding. 0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:19.200