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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff, the

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Speaker 1: podcast that I can't make the same joke introduction to

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Speaker 1: It's a show about cool people in history. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Margaret Kiljoy, and your guest today for all of this

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Speaker 1: week is Courtney Cosack.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's me. Hi, guys, nice, Nice to be back.

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Speaker 1: Courtney is a most importantly a dog mom, but also

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Speaker 1: is an compulsive podcaster. Sometimes records podcasts walking around the

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Speaker 2: Oh you're talking shit. I have a podcast about making podcasts,

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Speaker 2: so that would be really bad if I was so

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Speaker 1: Wait, what's your podcast by making podcasts?

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Speaker 2: Podcast bestie?

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Speaker 1: Oh well, that that makes sense. Yeah. I've probably said

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Speaker 2: I know it is kind of a weird thing, like

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Speaker 3: Try and try being me explaining to men on dating

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Speaker 2: I try.

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Speaker 3: I try being honest about it. I try giving them

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Speaker 2: I try like basically lying that.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I fucking just did.

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Speaker 3: It's very confusing. It's very confusing for them. But you're blonde, Yeah, like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, I just vented.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sophie. I'm the producer. Yep.

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Speaker 1: But see, you do a respectable job podcast producer. That

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, totally. Otherwise what if? What if? What

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Speaker 2: if they're like, what do you do for a living?

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Speaker 2: What do you do for Yeah? Oh my god. Well,

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Speaker 2: if you've been listening to this series, you know that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we we we cannot allow this to go

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Speaker 3: Our editors Ian Johnson, Hi i In, hi.

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Speaker 1: In, and our music was written for us by unwoman.

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Speaker 1: So we are talking about San Francisco this week. We

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Speaker 1: Another woman rescuing folks out of the mission was Donald

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00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: Dina Cameron, a white woman born in New Zealand who

437
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: earned the name the Angry Angel of Chinatown. So this

438
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: rescue mission is cool as shit and overall like really

439
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: fucking in the balance, right, but I hate that I

440
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: have to do this in the balance thing. Rescue girls

441
00:24:54,320 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: were forced to convert to Christianity and Christians and yeah,

442
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: I know, like why can't people just be good for

443
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: the sake of being good? Like yeah, looking, God forbid?

444
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: And then some of them ended up contracted out as

445
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: like fruit pickers in northern California by the Mish.

446
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: My god, you guys.

447
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. And their argument was because they're Protestants, right, so

448
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: idle hands do the devil's work, because they're trying to

449
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: instill Protestant values, like a Protestant work ethic into these girls,

450
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: as if these girls are lazy whatever. I'm so angry

451
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: about this part. But it's like kind of another form

452
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: of slavery, right it it is, but it's way the

453
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: fuck more temporary. You're talking about like probably a couple months,

454
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: and you're talking about like it it's do good, ORSM

455
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: doing bad. But it's like as far as I can tell,

456
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: and actually many women actually just escaped.

457
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 4: Again.

458
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: Many women were like cool, we're out of here, fuck

459
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: this and took off right. But they yeah, they were

460
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: like get taught to read and write, and they get

461
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: converted and forced converted to Christianity, and they would often

462
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: end up doing like four to eight weeks of work

463
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: as contract workers to teach them the value of hard work,

464
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: and then they'd be free and like and they seem

465
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: to actually mean it, and then a lot of I

466
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: believe I've only had the names of two Chinese workers

467
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: at this place, but I ask only have the names

468
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: of three white workers at this place. I don't know

469
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: what the overall balance was, but a woman named Yamanda

470
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: Waka ended upset, eventually left and set up a similar

471
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: institution in Japan for other unfree sex workers.

472
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Speaker 2: We'll take it, I guess, but yeah, yeah, try harder.

473
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: And I don't like totally know, you know. I was like,

474
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: like I read that that was the length of their

475
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: contract as fruit pickers. I don't know how long. Like

476
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: obviously some girls are like growing up there, right, I

477
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: don't know if there until they turn eighteen. I don't

478
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: know if they're there till they're married. That's my guess

479
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: is it's like until one of the two happens. But

480
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: I I'm not sure someone does know. There's entire books

481
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: written about this, and I have one week to research

482
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: and credit whatever anyway, preemptively being defensive for people who

483
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: know more about these things. So the end of the

484
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: red Light District. Usually don't read my little section heads,

485
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: but I didn't have a good transition, so I'll just

486
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: read that little section head in the script. People probably

487
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: know that I read from a script and then I

488
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: fall off script.

489
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Speaker 3: Sorry, guys, be really fucking cool if you did not

490
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 3: have a script though, that that brilliant.

491
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: I feel bad for people who ask me the details

492
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: about stuff like three weeks from now, because like, I'm like,

493
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: it's gone three subjects later, you know, Yeah, I remember

494
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: the broad strokes most of the time. Around the turn

495
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: of the twentieth century, people were like, what if we

496
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: got rid of the red Light District and then conflate

497
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: everything that happens there from murder non consensual sex work

498
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: to being the same as consensual sex work and consensual

499
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: homosexuality and drug use and women having fun, and we'll

500
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: call it all crime.

501
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's not true.

502
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: So that's what they did. San Francisco got its longest

503
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: serving mayor in nineteen eleven, a boring guy named Sonny Jim, Yeah,

504
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: who owned a shipping company and oversaw two different banks.

505
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: Could you imagine the business card where you go into

506
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: one of the two banks and they both have little

507
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: business cards that are like sunny Jim, like like a audience

508
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: can't see me smiling, But it's gross and scary. Is

509
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: he a good guy or a bad guy? Just on

510
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: the bad side? On the balance, not my favorite. He

511
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: didn't like people having fun. He also didn't like women

512
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: having basic fucking rights. Because all of the anti sex

513
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: work claws that we're going to talk about, like the

514
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: Man Act that prevents white women from sleeping with black men,

515
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: all of the anti sex work while is that we're

516
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: going to talk about just affect all women. I mean,

517
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: obviously they most directly affects sex workers. But I just

518
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: it's like, how well in a way I put that

519
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: later in the script, Okay. So, uh, it's so aggravating

520
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: to me that a bunch of suffer jests and first wait,

521
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: feminists were caught up in this anti vice shit because

522
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,719
Speaker 1: it's so transparent how it plays out is the destruction

523
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: of women's lives and freedom. It's it's, ah, here's what

524
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: I already. Yeah, I got right to the point I

525
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: was going to make earlier. It's like, how you have

526
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: all these supposed feminists now working alongside literal Nazis to

527
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: drive trans women out of public life. Yeah. One common

528
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: knock on effect of the current thing that's happening is

529
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: that like butch CIS women, or tall SIS women or

530
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: old CIS women, or just any woman who doesn't look

531
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: properly SIS can get run out of bathrooms and changing

532
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: rooms and shit. Yeah, and you've got people who want

533
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: to inspect people's genitals all the time, including children hobby.

534
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: I know, My god, I know. And this ties directly

535
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: back in anti sex work stuff. The earliest sex work

536
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: laws were involved a lot of genital inspection on a

537
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: regular basis and bribery and shit. So in this campaign

538
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: against vice, the city of San Francisco makes it illegal

539
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: for women to go to or work at any bar

540
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: in the Red Light district. Okay, yeah, so sorry, no

541
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: drinking or dancing for you, because drinking at a bar

542
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: is the same as doing sex work morally, which is

543
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: the same as being forced into doing sex work morally.

544
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: According to people.

545
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: What are they going to do at the bar? It's

546
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: like you're almost encouraging it, you know what I mean,

547
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: You're like, no women can come here, except there will

548
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: be the women that do. I don't know, it's yeah,

549
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: this whole circular thing.

550
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And like okay, well now I can't

551
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: work as a waitress. Well what kind of work can

552
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: I do? You know? In nineteen thirteen, So this past

553
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: is nineteen thirteen one of the only good jobs in town,

554
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: which doesn't even involve fucking anyone, like saloon dancing and shit,

555
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: it's just suddenly gone. This doesn't even this law doesn't

556
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: close the brothels, just the dance halls, and temperance is

557
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: sweeping the nation, and soon enough, villains of the Pod

558
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: the KKK would become the armed wing of the anti

559
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: vice movement. This is something I didn't realize about the

560
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: KKK until I did a series of episodes about them,

561
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: is that the KKK were obviously their primary thing was

562
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: the destruction of black freedom in the United States. But

563
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: while they were at it, especially the second wave of

564
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: the KKK, there's three waves or four depending on you,

565
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: we'll look at it. The second wave that restarted nineteen

566
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: fifteen was very waspy and very nativist, and so a

567
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: lot of their enemies were actually immigrant Catholics as well

568
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: as black people. And one of the things that they

569
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: were is they were the armed enforcers for the Temperance Movement.

570
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: You drink in your moonshining, the KKK is going to

571
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: try and rough you up, which is so yeah.

572
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: Sober Hell's Angels or something, Yeah.

573
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally yeah, like and so I just feel like

574
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: that's like worth knowing who the bedfellows of the Temperance

575
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: movement are, right, yeah, And this is coming all of

576
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: my hatred of this Temperance movement comes from someone who

577
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: I don't drink. I think drugs are overall really shitty

578
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: and like most people should probably avoid them. I think

579
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: gambling is one of the least entertaining ways to end

580
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: up broke. Those are personal choices that adults make about

581
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: their own lives. You know, the woman's Christian Temperance Movement

582
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: are the main villains of this temperance movement from my

583
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: point of view. They are of course opposed to all

584
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: alcohol and drugs. They are also opposed to all sex work,

585
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: and they forgot that it's actually very easy to be

586
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: personally committed to a healthy lifestyle without wanting to put

587
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: people into cages for having a different opinion than your own.

588
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: Easiest thing in the world. It's harder to put people

589
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: in cages than not. They managed to get sex work

590
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: criminalized in most US states between nineteen ten and nineteen fifteen.

591
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: And to be clear, while they're the Christian Women's Women's

592
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: Christian Temperance Union, this is not all types of Christians.

593
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: This is Evangelical Christians. And so sometimes i'm a little

594
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: bit broad with the like Protestant complaint brush, but like,

595
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: this is Evangelicals, not even all Protestants or whatever.

596
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: Right.

597
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: They were tied into the suffrage movement. I'm not trying

598
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: to say all suffragettes were into this, but it was

599
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: a very big part of it. They were into voting

600
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: rights for women, which helped the temperance movement dramatically. The

601
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: fact that we get prohibition right when women get the

602
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: right to vote is not a coincidence.

603
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't realize that. Yeah.

604
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, And like it comes from like a lot

605
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: of it comes from this, like, well, men are shitty

606
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: when they're drunk sometimes, right, you know, and so like

607
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: it's a legitimate feminist thing to be like we want

608
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: men to be drinking less, right.

609
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: I don't want them to blow the whole paycheck or whatever.

610
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but more of it was about a larger chunk

611
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: of the evangelical like temperance movement was women. So when

612
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: women get the right to vote, that dramatically impacts things

613
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: in certain ways. And that is like someone's going to

614
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: complain that I'm like saying that women should have the

615
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: right to voteor whatever. Like it's just everything's fucking complicated.

616
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: And also they're also into labor rights, the women's women's

617
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: Christian temperance whatever.

618
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: Full of contradictions.

619
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Speaker 1: I know exactly in the eighteen seventies they've been around. God,

620
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: they're still around.

621
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: Actually.

622
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: I think in the eighteen seventies they would go in

623
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: like pray for and harass customers at saloons, kind of

624
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: the way that like anti choice people do today. Outside

625
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: of like clinics, right, they would just like hang out

626
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: and yell at people for drinking.

627
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: You know.

628
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: They worked really hard to Americanize immigrants from Germany and

629
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: other like white countries to convince them how real Americans

630
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: don't drink that like American this is that wasp culture

631
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: that like is so mad at white immigrant culture. And

632
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: this is like part of the hatred of Catholics is

633
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: that they drink.

634
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: You know.

635
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: Also everyone has to learn English according to them. Also,

636
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: they protested against Christians who drank wine like at church,

637
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: like like literally the sacrament of drinking the blood of

638
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Yeah, so that you could have your eternal

639
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: soul saved or whatever the fuck, because no way would

640
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: Jesus's blood have alcohol in it because alcohol is a

641
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: poison and Jesus is the savior. Okay, So, like they

642
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: piss off all the I think Episcopals and Catholics. I

643
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: can't remember who else besides Catholics is a into the

644
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: blood drinking cult. Anyway they're interested in, they're not cool.

645
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: In nineteen thirteen, California past what's called the Red Light

646
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: Abatement Acts, and these are modeled on anti liquor laws

647
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: from the Midwest, and this act what it does is

648
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: it holds property owners financially responsible for the nuisance of

649
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: people performing like sexual labor for money, because at its core,

650
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: sex work is performing labor for money. But it's a

651
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: nuisance somehow. And Okay, there's a there's a meme that

652
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: perfectly sums up how I think about sex work that

653
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: a sex work a friend of mine sends me. And

654
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: you know those like exploding head memes, was like the

655
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: brain gets bigger and bigger, is the thoughts get bigger

656
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: and bigger at the like the top, Like the lowest

657
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: thought is sex work is sex and sex is bad,

658
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: And then it goes up to sex work is sex

659
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: and sex is good, and then it goes to sex

660
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: work is work and work is good. And then you

661
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: get the logical conclusion that I think any worthwhile analysis

662
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: comes to, which is sex work is work and work

663
00:36:50,440 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: is bad is bad. Yeah, And I don't know, it's

664
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: shitty that people trade their bodies for money, You're right,

665
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: temperance union. It's also shitty with coal mining. And it's

666
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: shitty when it's sitting in a chair sixty hours a week,

667
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: and it's shitty when it's fucking people. It work is shitty,

668
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: But you know what isn't shitty is spending the money

669
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: you make by selling your time spending it on stuff

670
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: like why that stuff, this stuff, whatever it is, it'll

671
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: make you happy. See it's so sexy. Whatever this is,

672
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: it's just sexy as hell. Imagine No, I actually, I

673
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: don't want anyone to imagine any of us with anything

674
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: as relates to this. Imagine someone else with this stuff.

675
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: Sex.

676
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: God, damn it, here's master.

677
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 2: You're gonna feel so sexy when you have this stuff.

678
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, And we're back so at the

679
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: same time, in this temperance union and stuff is doing

680
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: it's bad shit. A bunch of really cool shit starts

681
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: happening about women talking about their experiences with work in

682
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: a way that I don't think had been quite so

683
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: publicly part of the American public conversation. In nineteen sex work, sorry,

684
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: well as sex work as relates to wages for other work.

685
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: But yeah. So in nineteen thirteen, there's this newspaper, the

686
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: San Francisco Chronicle, and it started telling the sex workers

687
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: side of the story. They were running memoir essays from

688
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: a woman named Alice Smith, and to quote the San

689
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: Francisco Gate from a modern article about this quote. She

690
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: may have been a Midwestern farmer girl as she claimed

691
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: lord to California by the siren song of opportunity. She

692
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: may have been a few women whose collective stories were

693
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: combined for a single narrative, or maybe she didn't exist

694
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: at all. But in nineteen thirteen, there was no doubt

695
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: about one thing. She was the most famous woman in

696
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: San Francisco and the way her her stories were told.

697
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: According to the San Francisco Chronicle, people, what happened is

698
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: that this woman, the sex worker, would come in and dictate,

699
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: or she would tell her story to a ghost writer

700
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: on staff, who would then type it up and publish it.

701
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: And this ran for i want to say, about two months.

702
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: And this was like the biggest fucking press deal. And

703
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: it's like and the paper's doing it a little bit

704
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: because it's like, oh we care, and it's doing a

705
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: lot of bit because like, oh, this sells some fucking papers. This, yeah,

706
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: this sells fucking papers. People love sex work stories.

707
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, who's the horn now, baby?

708
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: So she wrote about how she became a sex worker.

709
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: She wasn't kidnapped, and she was laid low by capitalism.

710
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: She moved out to the Bay and she worked a

711
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: series of shitty jobs, getting yelled at, getting called ungrateful

712
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: for working. She worked like two months and earned three dollars,

713
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, And eventually she found her way to sex work.

714
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: As she put it, quote, evidently, a prostitute is one

715
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: who sold herself for money. Well, I wondered, was there

716
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: anybody in the world, according to that, who didn't sell

717
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: herself or himself for money? Yes, And her memoirs open

718
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: up a floodgates and over four thousand letters get sent

719
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: from sex workers to the San Francisco Chronicle, which published

720
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: about three hundred of them. And the letters describe the

721
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: author's own circumstances, how Christian families had left them on

722
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: their street, whether like kicks them out of the house,

723
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 1: whether for doing sex work or for simply for having

724
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: sex before marriage. And there are so many good quotes

725
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: in these letters.

726
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: I want to read them all. Oh my god, this

727
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: sounds fascinating. They're like, I'm sick of working at Walmart.

728
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Yeah, like now I do sex work, Yeah, totally.

729
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: Like quote, why do you speak of us as belonging

730
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: to the underworld? Who then constitutes the upper world? Is

731
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: it the men who come to visit us? And why

732
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: are they in any respect above us? Is the woman

733
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: who marries for money or for social station any better

734
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 2: than we are? Doesn't she not sell herself as well?

735
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: Yeah? They just like people are dumb. They know what's

736
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: happening to them, you know.

737
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

738
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: And hero of the pod Emma Goldman, my personal friend,

739
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: Emma Goldman, who I regularly communicate with.

740
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: That's what I thought.

741
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: The birth control activist. She shows up in nineteen thirteen

742
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: and she's basically like, she gives a talk. She you know,

743
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: she's an orator. She goes around and gives speeches about

744
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: issues of the day and stuff. Because there's no podcast,

745
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: so people had to go see people talk in person.

746
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: And she was like, these letters fucking rule, and she

747
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: talked about them a bunch at the talk. She was

748
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: like this, this is this is good, this is great.

749
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: And supposedly Alice, if she's a real person, she was

750
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: in the audience and happy to hear her work recognized,

751
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: and the next time she went in she was like, oh,

752
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: when saw I'm a Goldman talk, this rules, you know.

753
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: But not everyone was happy to support the sex workers

754
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: with fifty three percent of the vote, the Red Light

755
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: Abatement Act passed. I don't know if that's fifty three

756
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: percent of like the state Congress, or if it was

757
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: a ballot measure.

758
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. Initially is Christian temperance ladies that are yeah,

759
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: well they can't vote yet. Actually, oh, this is nineteen thirteen.

760
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: When did women get the right to vote? I want

761
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 2: to say, nineteen eighteen. Oh God, I'm a history podcaster,

762
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: Do do do do? When did women get the right

763
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: to vote?

764
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: Nineteen nineteen? Ratified in nineteen twenty. Yeah, so initially this

765
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: law passes the nuisance law for you know, sex work

766
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: or whatever, and it's not enforced. So some folks got

767
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: really fussy about that. And by that I mean a

768
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: bunch of right wing grifters did their grifty thing and

769
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: got rich off of complaining at great length about sexy

770
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: sexy win There is his asshole. His name is Reverend

771
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: Paul Smith of Central Methodist Church. He was the kind

772
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: of guy who stays up late at night, unable to

773
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: rest because he's so bothered by the fact that women

774
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: danced in public places, like literally as courts where he

775
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: was like and they dance. Yeah. Yeah, he's so bothered.

776
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: He's not just bothered by the strippers, Uh, he's bothered

777
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: by women existing and dancing. He missed Jesus's lying about

778
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: if thine eye offends the pluck it out and was like,

779
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: if thine I offends the hurt women. And like the

780
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: first couple accounts I read about this guy, it it

781
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: talks about him as if he's just like going to

782
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: his church and complaining right to his congregants, which is

783
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: like shitty, but like whatever, on some level, I don't know. No,

784
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: this guy is a lecturer and he is selling out

785
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: halls like thousands of tickets at a time, again giving talks,

786
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: good way to it whatever.

787
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it is a grift Jesus Christ.

788
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: And he's rallying against sex worker. He's rallying, railing against

789
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: sex workers the whole time, and in these talks he

790
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: gets kind of graphic. He goes on and on about

791
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: how bad these loose women are, gets into some detail,

792
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: so a lot of the audience would leave and go

793
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: find sex workers.

794
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: Tire, I love that he's doing like audio erotica.

795
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so sex workers start hanging out nearby when

796
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: he does talks because it's a good way to get

797
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: work his bullshit fucking sermons. And he would go around

798
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: and tour these various dance halls to uh see the

799
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: proof of the corruption and sin, you know, like just

800
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: fucking hire sex workers, bro, Like you clearly want to

801
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: treat them, well, you don't deserve to.

802
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: Dick, right. He's like, you know, one of those congressmen

803
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: who's like getting blown in the bathroom and doing all

804
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: the bills where he says it should be illegal.

805
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, he's so fucking bad. And some of the

806
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: things that he and his fellow temperance folks complained about

807
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: included women drinking alcohol, liquors sold without meals, women dancing

808
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: with strangers, and one angry headline was just women free

809
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: with smiles.

810
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: What a hater?

811
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 4: I know, just funny because now we have this whole

812
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 4: thing we were trying to not get told to smile, Like,

813
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 4: now everyone wants us to smile, whicheverone controls us.

814
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: That's what they want women to do.

815
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Women doing something I didn't give them

816
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,479
Speaker 2: permission to do. What the fuck?

817
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

818
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: So his campaigning and among others, but I think he

819
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: was the most prominent was finally going to get the

820
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: red light of Bateman Act and forced with the set

821
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: date of Valentine's Day nineteen seventeen. Because nothing says love

822
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: like evicting a ton of women from their homes at

823
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: the same time as you take their jobs away. Most

824
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: of them are single mothers, because women tended to live

825
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: in the brothels, right, And so he called for a

826
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: big meeting for everyone in his movement on January twenty fifth,

827
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: nineteen seventeen, which is for an event he called a

828
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: Purity Sunday, which I had to google and apparently is still.

829
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 2: A thing, horribly named thing.

830
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: Yes, and what he got instead on January twenty fifth,

831
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: nineteen seventeen was the first known sex workers' rights protest

832
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: in US history. Yeah, there's a madam named Reggie Gamble

833
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: who called up and was like, look, let's talk. You

834
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: say you want to help women, how about you hear

835
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: from us. I'll come over and I'll tell you what

836
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: our life is really like. And he said, yes, of

837
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: course he did. He is fucking obsessed with sex workers.

838
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: He also, on some level, I don't know, a lot

839
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: of the articles try to like paint him as like

840
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: actually caring. I'm not convinced. No, she doesn't show up alone.

841
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: She shows up with three hundred other workers, white and black,

842
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: working together. I wasn't able to figure out Reggie's race,

843
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: though my impression was actually had a comadam who may

844
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: or may not have been her lesbian partner.

845
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: Oh but I'm.

846
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: Getting into conjecture land. If Margaret says someone was a

847
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: lesbian and I'm not providing the receipts, it's.

848
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 2: Just pure fantasy.

849
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: I think, slightly informed. You know, I spent a lot

850
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: of time reading this shit, but yeah, totally so so.

851
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: Reggie Gamble to get ready for this had been working

852
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: alongside some women who worked for the San Francisco Bulletin Chronicle,

853
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: which everyone was the one that did the thing. I

854
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: think I wrote it wrong in my script here the

855
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: paper those publishing sex were accounts. Two of the staff

856
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: writers helped her write a speech right because she was,

857
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: you know, very good at talking about things right, but

858
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: not necessarily a writer. And one of the women who

859
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: helped her write this this is the weirdest shout out

860
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm ever going to do on this show was a

861
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: woman named Rose Wilder Lane, who went on to become

862
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: an early American libertarian party activist and a committed anti

863
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: racist activism anti racism activist. The rare libertarian win on

864
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: this show, but credit where it's due. Libertarians have always

865
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: been good about sex worker rights, not about labor rights

866
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: more broadly anyway. Whatever, So Rose Wilder Lane helps her

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Speaker 1: write write this speech. So they show up to the

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Speaker 1: church and Reggie Gamble goes up to the pulpit and

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Speaker 1: she gives a speech that was very explicit that this

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Speaker 1: is a labor demonstration. They were very clear that they

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Speaker 1: were fighting for their rights as labor activists. I want

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Speaker 1: to quote the author Kim Kelly from her book Fight

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Speaker 1: Like Hell, which if you like the show, you will

874
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Speaker 1: like the book Fight Like Hell. It isn't entertaining.

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Speaker 2: Kim Kelly, I know the fucking best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the labor columnist for teen Vogue, Like, you can't

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Speaker 1: go wrong with Kim Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Kim's amazing, just amazing.

879
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: Puts on a bunch of metal shows. It all ties

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Speaker 1: back together. So this is a quote from her book

881
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Speaker 1: Fight Like Hell. She swept past him and strode straight

882
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: up to the pulpit, where her words made clear that

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Speaker 1: this was a labor demonstration and that these workers had

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Speaker 1: gathered to discuss wages in their own social and economic oppression.

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Speaker 1: They were not there to convince hard hearted reformers the

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Speaker 1: morality of their profession, but were instead there to castigate

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Speaker 1: them for their own role in perpetuating the conditions that

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Speaker 1: left sex workers poor and desperate. You want the city

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Speaker 1: cleaned up around your church, but where do you want

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Speaker 1: the women to go, she asked him. Men here in

891
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Speaker 1: San Francisco say they want to eradicate vice. If they do,

892
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Speaker 1: they better give up something of their dividends and pay

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Speaker 1: the girl's wages that so they can live.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Basically they were like, look, if you want to

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Speaker 1: eradicate sex worker, your sex work, you need to start

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Speaker 1: by lobbying for higher wages and more educational higher wages

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Speaker 1: for tru other forms of work, and better educational opportunities.

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Speaker 2: And then they're like, wait a minute, just kidding, just

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Speaker 2: do the sex work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. They're like, actually, we just have a punishment kink.

902
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Speaker 1: We think that wages are too high for sex workers,

903
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Speaker 1: and we figure if we criminalize it'll go anyway. No,

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Speaker 1: that's even more cynical. Okay. Another quote is one of

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Speaker 1: the girls told me that her brother a methodist minister

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Speaker 1: when she applied for help to him only told her

907
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Speaker 1: to trust in God. You can't trust in God when

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Speaker 1: shoes are ten dollars a pair and wages are six

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Speaker 1: dollars a week. And I just like fucking love that line.

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Speaker 2: Amen.

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00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: She also had fun pointing out how clearly he didn't

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Speaker 1: give a shit about Jesus because Jesus was actually pretty

913
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Speaker 1: good friends with sex workers, and that the protest wasn't successful.

914
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Speaker 1: It's stopping the red light law. The red light law

915
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: went through on February fourteenth, fourteen hundred women were thrown

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Speaker 1: out of their homes and jobs. At the same time,

917
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: three quarters of the sex workers were single mothers, so

918
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: it's extra cool to evict them and take away their jobs.

919
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: And the reverend guy the asshole, went on to say

920
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: the day was the most dramatic incident of his life.

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Speaker 1: He did start working towards minimum wage laws, but he

922
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Speaker 1: never stopped his anti sex work zealotry. Meanwhile, once this

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00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: law goes into place, brothel became basically defined as a

924
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: woman rents this place without a man. So now women

925
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: can't run anywhere to live by themselves. Thanks wrong, It's

926
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Speaker 1: called the studio apartment buck an asshole. One hundred years later,

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Speaker 1: on the anniversary, sex worker staged a protest on the

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Speaker 1: steps of the same church with many of the same demands.

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Speaker 1: But one thing that changed. We talked about this at

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Speaker 1: the very top of all of it. One thing that

931
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Speaker 1: changes sex workers are more organized now. The three groups

932
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Speaker 1: that put together this particular protest was the Erotic Service

933
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Speaker 1: Providers Union, the Sex Workers Outreach Project or SWAP, and

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Speaker 1: the US Prostitutes Collective prose is all capitalized because you know,

935
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Speaker 1: they call themselves pros And so these three groups organize

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Speaker 1: this new protest. What's this era that we're oh, yeah, sorry,

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00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, one hundred years later on the centennial. Basically

938
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Speaker 1: they recreated this protest, which is fucking cool. And this

939
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: protest in nineteen seventeen was the first sex worker protest

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Speaker 1: I'm aware of in the US, but as far from

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Speaker 1: the last. I hope we'll cover more of the more

942
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Speaker 1: recent organizing andcluding some of the stuff that you brought

943
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Speaker 1: up at the top of the show, the strikes and

944
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Speaker 1: the collectivization and all of that in the future. Yeah,

945
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Speaker 1: but that's my sex work in the American West, and

946
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Speaker 1: there's so much more. I feel like, honestly, there's there's

947
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: just so so much more, and so people should take.

948
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Speaker 2: A love that the successful unionization efforts have happened on

949
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Speaker 2: the West coast. Yeah, the Lusty Lady in SF and

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Speaker 2: then now the Stargarden Dancers in North Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And if folks are like curious, like what's

952
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: going on and like all the stuff that like we're

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Speaker 1: talking about about, like decriminalization and all that, like, well,

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00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:43,959
Speaker 1: what's the deal?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: I I but I'd heard all this stuff. I really

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00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: recommend well reading and hearing from sex workers. I would

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Speaker 1: recommend the SWAP the Sex Worker Outreach Project project as

959
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: like one of the most well together, like public facing

960
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: sources of information, because if you think you don't know

961
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Speaker 1: any sex workers, it just means that you don't know

962
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: anyone who's had who's told you out. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Strippers United is also an organization that's doing really good work.

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Speaker 2: They have a fascinating Instagram and they have been a

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Speaker 2: part of how the Stargarden Dancers were able to unionize

966
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Speaker 2: and gave them a lot of information that helped support that.

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Speaker 2: So they're a cool organization too.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, well that's what we got but what you

969
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: might got is a thing where you tell people about yourself.

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Speaker 1: Here at the end.

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Speaker 2: End of the podcast, check out Private Parts Unknown. I

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Speaker 2: also love to talk about sex work on that show.

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Speaker 2: And I have another podcast called podcast Bestie about making podcasts,

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Speaker 2: and a podcast called The Blea Readers about book writing

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Speaker 2: and publishing. So check out my podcast obsession.

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Speaker 1: These are many of my interests that you're listening. If

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Speaker 1: you want to hear hear me right, it is not

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Speaker 1: hearing you. Most of what you do is hearing. But

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Speaker 1: the thing I'm about to say isn't I have a

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Speaker 1: substack like every other podcaster that somehow also has a substack,

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Speaker 1: But mine's better than anyone else's, with the exception of

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Speaker 1: Roberts from cool Zone Media. And then once Jamie Loftus

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Speaker 1: starts a substack, that one will also be good or

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Speaker 1: better for sure. I heard Jamie mention that she might

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Speaker 1: have to start a substack after complaining about substecks, So

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Speaker 1: that's my challenge to her. I write every week about

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Speaker 1: history and preparedness and a bunch of other topics, and

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Speaker 1: then every other well half of them are free in

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Speaker 1: public and the other half are more personal and are

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Speaker 1: like memoir and journal and stuff like that, and those

991
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Speaker 1: you have to pay me because if you want to

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Speaker 1: see inside my head for the stuff that isn't what

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to say to the world, then you can

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Speaker 1: give me some money to do so, and then I

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Speaker 1: can spend it on food that I feed my dog,

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Speaker 1: who is a great dog, because I'm also a dog mom.

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Speaker 2: Sophie, what's your substack called?

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's technically the titles Birds before the Storm, but

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Speaker 1: it's just Margaret Kildoy dot substock dot com.

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Speaker 2: You gotta check it out.

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Speaker 1: Hell, yeah, Sophe, what you got, soph You get a

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Speaker 1: substack yet?

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: I wanna plug two episodes that PROP did on hood

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Speaker 3: politics that are called y'alled outside my check or Marinate

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Speaker 3: my Chicken, And it's just talking through some of some

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court stuff that I think is really important.

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Speaker 2: So you should definitely check those out.

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Speaker 1: Buck Yeah, and we will see you next Monday with

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Speaker 1: more Cool People Did Cool Stuff. Bye Bye.

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Speaker 3: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of

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Speaker 3: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media,

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