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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Happy Monday to you, top of

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Speaker 1: the morning. Let's start the week the right way, the

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Speaker 1: MK way, the Morning Combat Way. Hello everyone, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to Morning Combat, the only show you really need in

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Speaker 1: your life. I don't care what's going on in it. Really,

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Speaker 1: this is it. You can begin here and you can

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Speaker 1: end here. Alpha and Omega, Speaking of which I am

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Speaker 1: merely one half of your hosting duoll. My name is

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Speaker 1: Luke Thomas. I am joined by my cohort, my partner,

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Speaker 1: my Connecticut dirtbag friend. He's also your Connecticut dirt back friend.

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Speaker 1: It's Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Luke, those insults are fine, but you might

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Speaker 2: as well call yourself Omega go because you're dealing right

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Speaker 2: now with uh, with the American Alpha in the flesh. Okay,

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Speaker 2: bro Okay, that's what it's all about, Luke.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. Luke.

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Speaker 2: You Luke, you almost lost your ship about a minute

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Speaker 2: before the show today.

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Speaker 1: True or false? People just like fucking with me, and

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Speaker 1: then you know, I don't understand. I listen, I'm very

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Speaker 1: I'm very particular about my office. Don't fuck with my office,

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Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't know what happened, but if you.

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Speaker 2: Find out that was dooky, you ain't doing ship. If

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Speaker 2: you find out that was tooky, dude, So don't even

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Speaker 2: try to act all for the listeners right here, Luke,

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Speaker 2: great to be back on.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I want to say us soil. I mean, you know, Deadwood,

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Speaker 2: South Dakota did feel a little, uh, a little second world,

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Speaker 2: but uh, I want to say thank you to uh

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Speaker 2: to the fine people in the staff at Deadwood for

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Speaker 2: showbox on Friday who won me over in the end,

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Speaker 2: Lucas the place a little weird and off putting, yes,

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Speaker 2: but the donks showed up Friday night, Luke, Okay, including

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Speaker 2: our guy Chance with who said he was going to

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Speaker 2: ride horseback Luke to come see me. Do you know

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Speaker 2: he showed up with a country time lemonade rapper to

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Speaker 2: make fun of my skin tone, Luke. And yeah, and

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Speaker 2: his father in law had a braided beard like down

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Speaker 2: to his waist and looked like he would look like

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Speaker 2: he would shive a motherfucker, so I love our fans Looke.

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Speaker 2: That's all I have to say.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, And you're like, if he was more ambulatory,

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Speaker 1: I would have thought he was there on January sixth.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of a thing. Well, I'm glad to hear

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Speaker 1: it was a big success. I watched the fights. They

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Speaker 1: were fun. There was one fight that was I don't

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Speaker 1: know how that kid got on TV. But okay, neither

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Speaker 2: Oh you mean the guy that trains it, that trains

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Speaker 2: in his backyard, Luke, I'm sure that was. That was

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Speaker 1: It looked like I was even texting you during the

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Speaker 1: middle of I'm like, uh, this kid's mechanics are a

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Speaker 1: huge problem. And then he gets dusted like a minute later.

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Speaker 1: But okay, neither here nor there. There was a lot

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Speaker 1: Saturday morning, depending on your time or afternoon, the Mick

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Speaker 1: Conlin and Lee Wood fight. We have a lot to

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Speaker 2: Ahead of Thursday's March seventeenth, Saint Patrick's Day holiday, we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke, we love it. I love it. I mean

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Speaker 2: what I do, Luke, Okay, I pour that scooping, but

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Speaker 2: you know, ten cups of athletic greens, even though you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a little that's a little much, Luke. Luke,

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Speaker 1: Yes, everyone, everyone is finally back in place. And I'm

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Speaker 2: Luke, real quick? Ten seconds? Uh. Scott Hall, the you

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Speaker 2: It was a safe win, and Luke, you know, at

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Speaker 2: get it with a performance like that. But Luke, after

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Speaker 1: You that, ask you is that what you think is next?

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the perfect sort of test or

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Speaker 2: So hey, I don't want to count out. I don't

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Speaker 2: Will we know for sure following the conclusion of Nemcov

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Speaker 1: Oh, consensus number one? Right?

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Speaker 1: and that's fine. Like, dude, like what you like and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't interest you. But it's hard to call yourself

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Speaker 1: you that we typically imply. I think that the injuries

431
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Speaker 1: he had were for a professional fighting career, not quite catastrophic,

432
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Speaker 1: but something pretty close to it, and there was no

433
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Speaker 1: recovery that was possible that was going to put him

434
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Speaker 1: back on a path of success, especially given his age

435
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Speaker 1: which is now thirty eight. Obviously, he was injured in

436
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Speaker 1: the Jones fight, which was all the way back in

437
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, so three years ago. But even then, thirty

438
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Speaker 1: five is you know, that's pretty old to get, you know,

439
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 1: extensive reconstructive surgery on both knees. There was no coming

440
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Speaker 1: back from that in a way that we're not that

441
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Speaker 1: he couldn't win again. He beat Johnny Walker, but to

442
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Speaker 1: be what he was, that's just way way too much

443
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Speaker 1: damage to try and reconstruct a physical game behind.

444
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Speaker 2: As much as I want them to put him back together,

445
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Speaker 2: they can't. But Luke, I'll give him the finest compliment

446
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 2: I can to me Thiago Santo's first team All UFC

447
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Speaker 2: fight Pass, which means, if I'm sitting in the eighth

448
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 2: row on Delta and you know, I'm just looking to

449
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 2: chill out and watch some fights, that's one of the

450
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Speaker 2: first five guys I'm randomly going to because I just

451
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Speaker 2: love his old run and just picking a fight, Luke,

452
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Speaker 2: and you're typically entertained across the board. Finally, number three, Luke,

453
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Speaker 2: I don't think Little Nog was ever elite. Dude, deal

454
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Speaker 2: with the consequences of me saying that.

455
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Speaker 1: No, I think you will deal with the consequences, Paulo.

456
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Speaker 1: Don't fear me.

457
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Speaker 2: Hear that? True or false?

458
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Speaker 1: Luke, I don't know. I don't know about that. But

459
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Speaker 1: quickly on Thiago Santo. Wo wow, let me go back,

460
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Speaker 1: Let me go back. Thiago Santos, is this it for him? Like,

461
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Speaker 1: is this idea that he's ever going to beat a

462
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Speaker 1: very top end guys that will.

463
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 2: For the fans, yes, for UFC matchmakers, yes, for him.

464
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Speaker 2: Maybe not. Maybe he thinks, Luke, he's one more knockout

465
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Speaker 2: went away from being right back there. I don't think

466
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Speaker 2: he should walk away. I don't think they'll tell him

467
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 2: to walk away. He still serves an immensely large purpose

468
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Speaker 2: as being a gatekeeper right now, an elite gatekeeper. Do

469
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Speaker 2: I want to see him, you know, stockpile l's or

470
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Speaker 2: trade wins and losses for five years as a real gatekeeper. No,

471
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Speaker 2: But I think he's got a a in his mind, Luke.

472
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Speaker 2: When you get to this point in your career, until

473
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Speaker 2: somebody solves you and I know you say, well, you know,

474
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Speaker 2: to us losing a five round decision which you were

475
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Speaker 2: completely you know, dominated almost every turn that's solving, But

476
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Speaker 2: to the warrior inside Maheta, until somebody takes his soul, Luke,

477
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Speaker 2: until somebody knocks him the f out. At this level,

478
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Speaker 2: he's not gonna believe he's not that guy, or he

479
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 2: can't be that guy on for one night. So you

480
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Speaker 2: got to downgrade the match making next for sure. But

481
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Speaker 2: we got a lot of we got a lot we're

482
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Speaker 2: gonna have to find out a lot of what that

483
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Speaker 2: fight looks like.

484
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Speaker 1: Luke.

485
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Speaker 2: I think he can bounce back and win on a

486
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Speaker 2: step down level, for sure, but uh, he's gonna he's

487
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Speaker 2: gonna take some punishment. I think in these fights to

488
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Speaker 2: try to.

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Speaker 1: Do that, Luke, the step down part is right, I mean,

490
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Speaker 1: here's the thing. The losses are are piling up. But

491
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Speaker 1: you know, the one kind of caveat is John Jones

492
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Speaker 1: Glover to Shia, Alexander Rakitch, Maga met uncle Ive. He's

493
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Speaker 1: not losing at light heavyweight at this juncture to nobody's

494
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Speaker 1: but he clearly can't compete with the very best of

495
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Speaker 1: that division, not right now, they probably not ever again.

496
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Speaker 1: Obviously that remains to be seen. But a step down

497
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Speaker 1: is not really warranted. It is I think necessary at

498
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Speaker 1: this point, uh b C in your co main event

499
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Speaker 1: from that UFC.

500
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Speaker 2: Co bro, So are you are you punting stepping up

501
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: to the microphone and telling the truth about Little Nog?

502
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Speaker 1: Okay? Are you? Are you a dude? It's a very

503
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: very stupid thing you're saying.

504
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: Can we move on to things that are was the

505
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Speaker 2: man elite or not in.

506
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Speaker 1: Your masturbatory ideas about it a light heavyweight that no longer competes?

507
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: Wow, look, I mean I mean feminine products all nine, Luke.

508
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, bro, you know.

509
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about Little Knog. We got

510
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: shit to do. Are you talking about Little knock?

511
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: One of us, fueled by ag one was mad enough

512
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Speaker 2: to bring facts to the table. Okay, thank you, all right.

513
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: Enjoy and enjoy your delusions, all right. Point number two,

514
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Speaker 1: Song You Dong was in the co main event, and

515
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Speaker 1: not only one against Marlon Morice. He easily dispatched him

516
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Speaker 1: inside the first round. Mike Bond made a point about

517
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Speaker 1: the losses of Marlon Morice. They're becoming quicker and even

518
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Speaker 1: more brutal over time. BC will start though, with the

519
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Speaker 1: winner with Song You Dong. Dude, it could not have

520
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: gone much better for him. How impressed are you? And

521
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Speaker 1: what do you take from a victory like this? What

522
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Speaker 1: does it signify to you?

523
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Speaker 2: Well, I think you can take everything we learned until

524
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 2: that the big one landed, and you know, once it landed,

525
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: the fight was over. And obviously there's a lot to

526
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: say about Marlon Rice's future from here. But focusing on

527
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Speaker 2: Songy Dong, I liked it a lot. I thought it

528
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: was a solid step. You can only take so much

529
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 2: again from it, but poise setups combinations. Luke, you know,

530
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Speaker 2: I'm certainly not ready to stamp him as a as

531
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Speaker 2: a guarantee, but dude, he looks really damn good for

532
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: future potential, Luke, and I think getting this name however

533
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: damage that name is, and it's it's pretty damaged. We're

534
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Speaker 2: getting there. It is a big win and a big

535
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Speaker 2: step forward. So uh yeah, we got to find out

536
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Speaker 2: more's let's get him in a more even matchup next.

537
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 2: But dude, I mean, what can you say negative about

538
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 2: this performance? Look just try it, uh for song and Dog.

539
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what we could have said other I mean,

540
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Speaker 1: I guess he didn't like he got hit at least

541
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Speaker 1: once or however many times not many, So it wasn't perfect,

542
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: but it was pretty close to that. Here's the thing.

543
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Speaker 1: Though we already knew he had big power, we already

544
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Speaker 1: knew he had good combinations. We already knew his striking

545
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Speaker 1: reads and setups and accuracy had gone had gotten much better.

546
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: In that sense. This fight didn't tell us anything. But

547
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Speaker 1: what this probably does is solidify that in like this

548
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: concentrated moment when you can be like, wow, look who

549
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: he beat. He'd beat a guy with a name, and

550
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: he did it with these skills that had been revealing

551
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 1: themselves in bursts or in larger parts previously to this.

552
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: But he has this crystallizing moment where he can now

553
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: leverage this. I think he enters the top ten, by

554
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: the way with this, because I think Marice was sitting

555
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: at ten. So now he's going to start being in

556
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: there with some names where they also have names potentially

557
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: they have a number beside it, but they're going to

558
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Speaker 1: offer potentially stiffer resistance. This to me, was the culmination

559
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: of some work he's been done that has been somewhat unheralded,

560
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Speaker 1: somewhat under the radar. That's the big thing for song

561
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: and No, he's had a couple of moments of you know,

562
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: grabbing attention, but the more recent work has been very

563
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: much under the radar. This was the time where he

564
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Speaker 1: put it all together against a guy fans recognized as

565
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Speaker 1: being troubled in Marlon Morice, but still of previous. I mean,

566
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Speaker 1: it's just crazy that this guy knocked out Sterling, stop

567
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: Jimmy Rivera, stopped half Al Sunsou and just can't buy

568
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: a win.

569
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Speaker 2: But it's yeah, and just too quickly on your dog.

570
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: And no, I'm not setting up a joke. I'm saying that,

571
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: do you like the call out of Dom Cruse.

572
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: Well, so there's the team alpha male there, right, the

573
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: team alpha male connection. They all want it to don

574
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: Cruise still a relevant fighter, still a difficult fighter to

575
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Speaker 1: beat with obviously a tremendous name, and we promote that fight.

576
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: We'd learned we would learn a lot about you, Dong

577
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 2: if he took that fight.

578
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Speaker 1: Next because of Cruse's unorthodox style.

579
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Speaker 2: Because I was ready to count out Cruz the last

580
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,239
Speaker 2: two fights. In both fights, he showed me that that

581
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: unorthodox style, even as it's slowing down a bit, and

582
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 2: even though you know he's never going to be a

583
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: knockout puncher, he'll still expose you if you're not ready, Luke,

584
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: if you're not ready to to to win the fight

585
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: with your mind, you know what I'm saying, Luke.

586
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also he I think I gotta look at

587
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: the numbers on this to be sure, but I feel

588
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: like he goes to the wrestling a little bit more

589
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: now to dominic Cruz, which he always did, but just

590
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: slightly turned it up on the dial to get a

591
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: little bit more out of it. But this was to me,

592
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: Sonya Dong announcing I'm a top ten band someweight. I'm

593
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: ready for big challenges. I have beaten people now with

594
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: names that folks should recognize. Right. A lot of times

595
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: you can ask of a rising prospect, you know, ask

596
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,239
Speaker 1: a fan name their three best wins, and they may

597
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: struggle for names. This is one of those ones where

598
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, right, didn't he knock out Marlon Morice

599
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: in the first. In a year or two or three,

600
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about this. But BC, I hate to

601
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: say this. I don't. I don't like focusing on a

602
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: fighter's losses this way, but we just simply have to.

603
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: And I'm going to ask it as plainly as I can.

604
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: Is this it for Marlin? Maris?

605
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: I think it should be? Yeah, yes, Luke. And now

606
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you because you know I watched

607
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: this piece meal after the fact. I'm sure you were

608
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: watching this card live. Did he take off the gloves

609
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: signifying retirement? Because I saw some tweets from Mariial, but

610
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: I never I never quite put it all together.

611
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't know. I been watching real time

612
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: after he got stopped, went back and I rewinded it

613
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 1: a bunch just to rewatch it. So I may have

614
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: missed that part. I don't. I don't know if that's confirmed.

615
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: I think he should.

616
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: What did Aerial tweet? I missed?

617
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: I missed that too, that he took his gloves off. Yeah,

618
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: which you know, but you know what, so look, I

619
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: think he should because he the fatal flaw that he

620
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 2: has right now, Luke, I don't think you can fix it,

621
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: and it's just going to keep repeating itself on every level.

622
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: And you know what I mean, Like, is he talented

623
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: enough to pull off the Amir contact for a while,

624
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: which means I can beat the lower level guys, although

625
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: I'll get rocked a few times and have a scare

626
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: and then I'll sell my name to the bigger names

627
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: and get sent to hell. Maybe, but it's not worth

628
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: it in this game. It's a different matchmaking style in UFC,

629
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: which makes it less valuable. But it's not worth it, dude,

630
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: Like he got to a high level, Luke, But I

631
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: there's a major malfunction that is, once it's gone, it's

632
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: it's it's gone, Luke. I mean it's gone.

633
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: Here. Here's the thing that everyone has to kind of

634
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: wrap their head around. This is less true in the

635
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: dawallash Wheelly fight, where you know he a Morland near

636
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: you want it and then b d Wallas Wheeley just

637
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: kind of you know as a as a terminator. But

638
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: in the font san Haagen and you Dong fight like,

639
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: what's the common denominator there? The common denominator there is

640
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: that strikers looked a little bit made some reads and

641
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: here understand just think about it this way. BC especially

642
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: true in boxing, less true in MMA, but when you

643
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: have knockouts like this consecutively, now the question becomes relevant. Elite,

644
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: high level pro fighters, especially ones with a striking kind

645
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: of based game, they don't get hit cleanly all that often,

646
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: especially in boxing. It's less true in MMA, where guys

647
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: can you know, things can happen. But if you get

648
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: viciously stopped several times in a row with like pinpoint accuracy, dude,

649
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: it tells you that they're reading you, that they're they're

650
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: able to pick up on your movement and your timing

651
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: and either create traps for you to fall in, which

652
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: is what song your dog did, or in the case

653
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: of sand Haagen, they can just sort of know where

654
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: you're going to be and then rob font sort of

655
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: acumulative striking ability that he has. Dude, they're just looking

656
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: at him and they can read it wide open. That

657
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: is a hard problem to solve. The question I have

658
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: is how come no one was able to do that beforehand.

659
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: It seems like it seems like the game didn't change.

660
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: Everyone's approach changed, and that is a much harder thing

661
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: to solve for.

662
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: I agree, and you should probably figure out how to

663
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: set traps with your dong.

664
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: Luke, I mean, did you did you take frenchship? What

665
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: foreign language did you take in high school?

666
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 2: Let me, it's not like I'm saying. It's not like

667
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: I'm saying little nags Jeremy Giambi though, like there are

668
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like I think I think

669
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: I nailed it, Luke, Okay.

670
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't think you did What foreign language did you

671
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: take in high school?

672
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: I took French in seventh, eighth, nine, ten, and eleven, Luke,

673
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: I almost took French four honors senior year. But then

674
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: I said to myself, what am I doing? What am

675
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: I gonna do with this? Nothing? Okay? Nothing?

676
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: So how do you say nineteen in French?

677
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: I don't even remember?

678
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: Okay? Oh bullshit. You share years of French and you

679
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: don't remember how to say nineteen.

680
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: I went to Montreal and New Year's Eve when I

681
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: was like twenty, and I thought, oh good, I'll put

682
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: all my French education to work. I'll have real conversations

683
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: with hot French tricks. Luke. I couldn't, I dude, I

684
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: it was like my English now, Luke, Okay, it was like,

685
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: you know, trying to get to the I could put

686
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: three words together, but to get to that fourth actually

687
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: make it sound like you're saying something.

688
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: No, Luke, no, So you you're the guy who went

689
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: to McDonald's and you were like, I want that that

690
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: quarter pound or I don't know if you know what

691
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: that is with the metric system avec fromage, is that you?

692
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Luke, Yes, that was me.

693
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: You were also the kids who when you had to

694
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: say nineteen in French, you instead just said these nuts

695
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: back to the back to the teacher, weren't you, because

696
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: there were kids in my school that did that, and

697
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: I'm imagining you might have been one of the ones

698
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: who did it in your school. Yeah, you were false,

699
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: you said, No, I wouldn't.

700
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be that that alarming. You know, I'd have

701
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: a moment a year like that. But no, I wasn't

702
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: that out of control.

703
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right, back to the story

704
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: at hand. Uh So, for let's let's recount this, we'll

705
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: move on from Marlin, the loss of Sudo, the win

706
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: over Aldo, however controversial, then the loss to Sanhagen, font Dwallas, Wheeley,

707
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: and now Song. You don't he has lost five of

708
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: his last six and all five BC, all five by

709
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: way of stoppage. For his own health, he probably should

710
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: stop for at least a little while. But I would

711
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: imagine the UFC will part with him for now.

712
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I really hope he doesn't end up on

713
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: Eagle f c's undercard, you know what I'm saying.

714
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: I just really hope which he might, which he might,

715
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: God God help.

716
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: I mean, is he fighting ray Borg next Lucas? Is

717
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: that what's happening? You know? I don't.

718
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: I don't think that's an unfair question, you know, they

719
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, Egle f C is going to be an

720
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: interesting addition to the to the the larger body of

721
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: regional promotion. And I think for some people will work

722
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: out well. For someone won't. That's that's surprise fighting. But

723
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: you know, it'll be interesting to see who gets a

724
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: second or tries to get a second act on there

725
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: in Sadness booking, especially if there are already clients of

726
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: the whole dominance in the make group. But we'll see

727
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: how that.

728
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, juniors just took the leap, Luke, Okay.

729
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: Yeah against Jorgan de Castro. Let's see, that's just still

730
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: a winnable fight for him. That's not like I don't

731
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: know if he should still be fighting based on the damage.

732
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: But that's he can win that one. That's that's not

733
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: so crazy. Now if he loses that one, then whatever.

734
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: But okay, if if if little if if Eagle FC

735
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 2: signed Little Nog, would you uh.

736
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I respect. I respect a guy that trained with

737
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: the Cuban boxing team. Like you know, maybe I'll maybe.

738
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 2: I'll see you on high court one day, Luke.

739
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, maybe I will get your delta. It's all right.

740
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: Point number three here BC. This was I want to say,

741
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: the best combat sports benevent of the weekend, because there

742
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: was a lot of competition for that, but certainly on

743
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: the MMA side, if you go to EGO FC Bell

744
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 1: Tour in UFC, to me, this is the runaway best

745
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: main event of those three, certainly of the weekend, and

746
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: what a fight it was in your Bellatore two to

747
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: seventy six main event, a featherweight contest between two fighters,

748
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: both twenty eight years old, both tied at the time.

749
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: I we'll see where it ends up, but both at

750
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: the time of the fight tied for second in that

751
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: division at featherweight, behind Patricio Pitbull, who was of course

752
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: behind AJ McKee and BC. These two guys went to

753
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: absolute war. Now Borich secured the unanimous decision victory, and

754
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: I thought the fifty to forty five scorecard was atrocious.

755
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: At a bare minimum. I thought that bare minimum Burnell

756
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: got one, maybe two of those rounds. I thought Borich

757
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: was the rightful winner. Please don't misunderstand me. Fifty to

758
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: forty five is a little egregious. Nevertheless, what a fight,

759
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: What a pairing, What a style of fight. This is

760
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: one of those like phone booth fights that you see

761
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: much more commonly in boxing, where two guys are literally

762
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: head to head and just digging punches to the body.

763
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: Be it was like do technical, which made it even

764
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: better in the way.

765
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: Let let me, let me, let me pitch it to you. BC.

766
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: Did Borich show you enough to make you think he

767
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: has a reasonable chance against the winner of pit Bull

768
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: McKey two?

769
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: That was the key question you wanted answered, Luke. So

770
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: did it show me that he can you know that

771
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: he's on the same level. No, but it showed me

772
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: that he's got a fighting chance at whoever that is.

773
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: And it showed me that it's gonna be a We're

774
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: we're in a great position, you know. I mean, obviously,

775
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: if pit Bull beats McKee, that could go right back

776
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: into a trilogy and we have to we may have

777
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: to wait a bit. But to get Borich against the winner,

778
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: that that's a great fight, and Borich, I think, without question,

779
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: stepped up to another level. But Luke, before I can

780
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 2: go too deep into this, I want you to answer

781
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 2: one question though, because we just talked about it was

782
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 2: so enjoyable to watch. It was a high level, skilled

783
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 2: almost brawl, but just really a great fun fight to watch.

784
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: But it was that way because Burnell bit down in

785
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: the mouth guard and was basically like, I'm gonna box

786
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: led for death with you here. And to his credit, Luke,

787
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,959
Speaker 2: he's a damn good boxer, but he wasn't shooting, Luke.

788
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: So do you go back and say, great performance by Borich,

789
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, it made a great fight to watch. Hell yeah,

790
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 2: But I'm not sure Burnell gave him himself the best

791
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: chance to win, and I don't say that to Doc Borich.

792
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 2: I just want to know if you believe that's fair

793
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: based on the skills. You know, on the ground is

794
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 2: where he was going to have potentially the most level

795
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: of success, and he didn't willingly try to go down there.

796
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: I don't think more than what once did he even

797
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: shoot Luke?

798
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: He tried for several takedowns along the fence, Yeah, but

799
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: they got stuffed.

800
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: You don't remember that, apparently not. I was speed watching Luke.

801
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: I saw one takedown attempt.

802
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: But I will say this for your question, because I

803
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: do think there's a little bit of element of truth

804
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: to it. I'll tell you how I scored this fight.

805
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: I saw it as for to one for Borich. So

806
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: BC we've talked about this. It is possible to lose

807
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: a fight fifty to forty five and for all five

808
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: of those rounds to be razor thin. You could see

809
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: it for the same guy in all five, but at

810
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: fifty forty five doesn't tell you that the guy necessarily

811
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: got his ass beat, or that it wasn't close. So

812
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 1: I did score forty nine to forty six for Borich,

813
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: but that wouldn't tell you about a lot of the

814
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: great work that Borich was doing, particularly as you saw BC,

815
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: he would slip off the center line and then rip

816
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: those left hands to the body. He was chewing Borich up.

817
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 1: He go actually got away from it, which I think

818
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: cost him maybe that fight a little bit late. But

819
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: to answer your question, these guys were pretty evenly matched.

820
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: Borich a little bit ahead and really pushed it on

821
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: late in that fourth and fifth round. But I will

822
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: there's a takedown right there. He just saw it, or

823
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: at least a semi attempted one.

824
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: I don't know, Luke. I mean, I get, I get

825
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: what he's trying to set up.

826
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: What I was gonna say, what I was gonna say BC.

827
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: What I was gonna say is if he went at

828
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: it a second time with a much more wrestle heavy approach,

829
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: do I think he could have better success? Yes, I do.

830
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it's fair to say that like he

831
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: didn't try in the wrestling, but I do think that

832
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: he didn't emphasize it maybe enough as he could have.

833
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: He was focused on winning the fight on the feet

834
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. If that was what he had to do.

835
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: I just think he didn't have to do that. But

836
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: to his credit, Luke, I'm sure he stuck with it

837
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: because he thought he was winning. And even though I

838
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 2: don't think fifty forty five is an outrage because it

839
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: was each round was so damn competitive, I do feel

840
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: like Borich had a stronger argument in every single round

841
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: to have won it. So I wonder if Burnell, I

842
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 2: don't know, did he think he was just gonna outlast sports.

843
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: Did he think he was going to take him into

844
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: those championship rounds on the feet and just wear him

845
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: down to you know, exhaustion and to set up for

846
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 2: a knockout. I'm not sure, Luke. I loved the body

847
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: attack from Bernell, but I mean, I guess he thought

848
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: he was up, Luke. I guess he thought he had

849
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: a stronger argument for having won it because he stayed

850
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: in that pocket and just committed, and you know, his

851
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: face told the story. I think in a lot of ways.

852
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: But as much as I love the guts of Burnell

853
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: and I love the body attack, it just didn't seem

854
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: like that was the win of the most a path

855
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: for him. Maybe he felt something I didn't in the

856
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: clinch that would let him know that the takedowns weren't

857
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: going to be as easy. But all in all, Luke,

858
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: wherever you stand on that petty side argument, Borts made

859
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: a leap one against lesser skill guys. He's gonna finish

860
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: him with something crazy because those knees are potent and

861
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: they come out of nowhere. Luke, but he's showing, I think,

862
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: a much better well rounded game. Even though he wasn't

863
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: on his back in this fight. He's ready. Okay, would

864
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: you favor him to win? No, but he's ready, Luke,

865
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: and that's gonna be fun to watch his next step.

866
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: So the question was, did he show you enough to

867
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: make you think he has a chance against either Pitt

868
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: bulm Riki. Yes, he has a chance, Yes, and more

869
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: than just a puncher's one. That's absolutely you know. Did

870
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: he overwhelm and just absolutely bludget Madds Burnell and put

871
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: a huge distance between himself and the rest of the division. No,

872
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: not in that sense. But the way he turned it

873
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: on in rounds four and five with the offense was big.

874
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: The way in which he was able to adapt and

875
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: change some things about how he was fighting to the

876
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: third round on was big. Now again, Madds Burnell not

877
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: going back to the leg kicks as much as I

878
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: thought he could letting go of the body shots that

879
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: was I don't know what happened there. He has a

880
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: high guard. I'll tell you what I think happened. BC.

881
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: He has a high guard. He's actually pretty good at

882
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: slipping punches and encountering. I think he thought, I'm gonna

883
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: put in a certain amount of effort on takedowns, and

884
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: if they're not there, if that's fine, because my stand

885
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: up is very good, and to be fair, Mads Burnell

886
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: does have very underrated stand up. I thought this fight

887
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: showcased that fact, even if he came up on the

888
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: losing end of things. But it just so happened that

889
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: Borich not only had leveled up as a technician, he

890
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: had also leveled up in terms of intensity and was ready. Dude.

891
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: Borich fought the overwhelming majority of that fight backing up

892
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: and then kind of at least doing lateral movement side

893
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: to side. That's an awful difficult way to fight, and

894
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: he was still the one who was able, at least

895
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: to me be see, from that third round on, to

896
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: put some distance between himself and Madds Burnell. A little

897
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: bit more of a jab, a little bit more of

898
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: a pushkick and Burnell just couldn't adjust around it. That

899
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: kind of stuff that Borich was showing at age twenty eight.

900
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: Do I favor him to beat Pitpull or McKey? No,

901
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: but you bet your ass. I take his chances very

902
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: seriously and.

903
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: I agree with that. And but the argument is is

904
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: really based on the striking and his just full ability

905
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: on the stand up, because even though he has the

906
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: threat of the kicks, he won this fight with his boxing.

907
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it was brilliant, it was it was smooth,

908
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: it was crisp, everything about it I loved. But Luke,

909
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 2: as much as look, he'll he'll be an underdog against

910
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: Pitpule or McKee. Do you think there's potential he gets

911
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: like solved like that on the ground though, because that's

912
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: kind of what happened in the Caldwell loss.

913
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, Caldwell was on him like White on Rice. Yeah.

914
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,959
Speaker 2: You know, you wonder if we get all excited about

915
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: what him and McKee, for example, might look like, and

916
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 2: McKee just looks at that and goes, oh, I'm taking

917
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: this mfor down right away and throw some spider man

918
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: jiu jitsu at him. And you know, I don't know

919
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: if Borch has fully fully proven that side of it

920
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: yet Luke on this elite level before that fight. But

921
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: guess what he got here anyway, So let's see.

922
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: What uh fair enough for Mad's Burnell twenty eight years old?

923
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: What would you say would be an appropriate next I'll

924
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: pull up the rankings here real quick for the Bellatoor

925
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: featherweight division if I can, I would love to know

926
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: what you think. I made this point BC if you

927
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: take out Patricio pit Bull, which of course is a

928
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: very relevant name. What I'm trying to point out is

929
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: from the champion to the first, and there's two tied

930
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: at second, third, fourth, and fifth. Here are your your featherweights.

931
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: They're all from five on up. They're all under the

932
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: age of thirty. Pedro Carvolio, Aaron Pico, Adam Borich, Mad's Burnell,

933
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: Patusio pit Bull, aj mckeebc A Burnell Pico fight. I know,

934
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: I think Pico's got business coming up. But if he

935
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: gets past that Burnell and Pico, that.

936
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: Is I mean hell, I mean that's dude, that's a

937
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 2: fight man that there's some gamble on the even though Pico,

938
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 2: it's like, how many more wins do you want? Pico

939
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 2: to get before he's gonna really step up. That argument

940
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: is in play right now one hundred. But that is

941
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: pretty damn dangerous for Pico, you know, because because it's

942
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: gonna be a it's gonna dude, that's gonna be on

943
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: the feet, That is gonna be a slugfest. Luke and

944
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: Brenell is gonna believe in his boxing and be swimming

945
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 2: on the inside. Damn dude, that's aggressive matchmaking. I like that, Luke,

946
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: put let's do it, okay, you know, you know what,

947
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: there's no reason to potentially be smirched little nog Any Longos.

948
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: Take that out of the equation. I agree with that, Luke.

949
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: Fair enough. See anyone else from this card impress you

950
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: at all?

951
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: I thought you can go in terms of their looks

952
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: or performance. Ah, Luke, that was a fricking okay. Look,

953
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: you can't go too much farther down before obviously shout

954
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: out Phil Davis. Did what you have to do, Luke,

955
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: I didn't see any holes. He's thirty seven, he's he's

956
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 2: not overly exciting. But I think Phil Davis still contends

957
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: with everybody in this division. After that, Julius and Gliscus

958
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: win I don't think there's much more to say about that.

959
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: But dude, Johnny Eblin is everything you said he was,

960
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: Luke and then some. And this was a good ass, strong,

961
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: solid performance against John Salter, and I like that. You know,

962
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: he had to fight off a submission, but like this,

963
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 2: Dude's country strong, Luke, he's coming, He's coming on, dude,

964
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: he I mean.

965
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: Russell, he's full of confidence.

966
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: Did he just win a damn title shot? Luke? I

967
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: think he did right, He beat the number one guy.

968
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what? And I got to give credit

969
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 1: to Josh Thompson a lot of times, you know, MMA

970
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: commentators are always like, uh, you know, a fighter is

971
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: never bad, they're only good. And of course there was

972
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: only good things to say about Johnny Eblin after this.

973
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: But I agree with Josh Thompson even if he's at

974
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: the top of this division by virtue of the win,

975
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: because I think Salter was ranked number one and Eblin

976
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: I think was ranked two or three something like that.

977
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: He moves to that top spot, but I don't think

978
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: he's as good as he has been, and he has

979
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: been one of the most unheralded top contenders in MMA.

980
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: IF IF IF IF Musac is next. That is a

981
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: gigantic step up, and I want to be fair to

982
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: Musase and I want to be fair to Johnny Evlin.

983
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: But as good as Eblin has been, you know, to

984
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: go from what he's been taking on where Salter, I

985
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: understand something. Salter was by far Eblin's toughest test to date,

986
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: and Eblin passed it basically no problem. But Musasi is

987
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: several levels above even that. That seems like a little

988
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: He needs maybe one or even two more even if

989
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: he's sitting at the top spot BC before he's ready

990
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: for Masasi.

991
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 2: I think that's right. You know, you wonder though if

992
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 2: he if he if? It just makes sense and it's

993
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: him next. But that's a strong ass performance, Luke, and

994
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: we probably don't have footage to put with it. But

995
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: Cody Law, dude, I know this is lower level prelim matchmaking,

996
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: but that featherweight minute seventeen to knock out James ad Kaka,

997
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 2: he seems like a guy to watch, Luke.

998
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: Cody Law is a hammer. If you guys are not

999
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: paying attention to him now, you're gonna hear about him

1000
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: soon enough, right there? Yeah, I mean he's athletic, he

1001
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: can wrestle, he's with a good team. You know, this

1002
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: dude has everything you would want at this stage of

1003
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: his career. Now, granted he's unranked and it's very very early.

1004
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: This is that comparative advantage that Bellatore has. Find the

1005
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: really good ones early, give him some, you know, time

1006
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: to get good like they did with AJ McKee, and

1007
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: not everyone's gonna or not like a j McKee, But

1008
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 1: aj McKee turned out pretty good. So you can follow

1009
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: that blueprint. You can get a lot out of this bro.

1010
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 2: This guy can go man.

1011
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: I would also say BC Zealand's JJ Wilson did lose

1012
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: against Gadzi Rabotanov or Rabadanov, however you say it, but

1013
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: I'll say this, he showed a lot of a lot

1014
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: of a scrambling ability, a lot of promise. Rabotanov is

1015
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: a very tough customer, had we talked about, had twice

1016
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: as much experience as JJ Wilson. But JJ Wilson found

1017
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: ways to persevere, hang on and show that like, Okay,

1018
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: this was a little too much right now in his career,

1019
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: but it may not be in a couple of years

1020
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: when he's got you know, let's say three maybe five

1021
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: more fights under his belt. He has some ability. Even

1022
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: though congrats to Robotanov, you know, the better wrestler, the

1023
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: veteran experience definitely, you know, showed itself here.

1024
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 2: And wasn't Rabotanov a team Habib guy.

1025
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had an Abdulla ma Nap shirt on afterwards

1026
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: in the cage.

1027
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, dude, what am I choking on?

1028
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: Uh?

1029
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: Success Luke? I? I agree what you're saying about the

1030
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 2: Uh do you pronounce that may Meoi kid? Mayori kid? Luke?

1031
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 2: I can't pronounce anything Maori Maori maybe Mallory uh Luke,

1032
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: the Mallori kid. He's got that that spark he's got

1033
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: so so yeah, this was you know, you got to

1034
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: learn from this, and it was his first fight at lightweight.

1035
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 2: But I think that he's gonna be good in this division.

1036
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 2: And I think there's that he's got the fighting spirit. Man,

1037
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: He's got to round it out a bit more. But

1038
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna hear from him Luke. So it

1039
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: was It's weird. It's weird to be like, Okay, yeah

1040
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: I lost, but hey, all good moving forward. But it

1041
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: kind of feels like that.

1042
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh and again Phil Davis. It's like, dude, he wouldn't.

1043
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: I mean, on the on the feet, him and Gliscus

1044
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: were pretty even. But on the ground, dude, you know,

1045
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: and L'scus stuffed a couple of takedowns, but like once

1046
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: they got there, like Phil is still strong as shit.

1047
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: He's he was going for me on belly, which you

1048
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: know it's hard to hold. Hard to do that usually

1049
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: indicates a big skill differential. I was, I was still

1050
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: Phil Davis is still impressive.

1051
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say something and you're gonna think it's me

1052
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: insulting him, but hear me out, Luke, do you think,

1053
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: first of all, he's in absurd physical shape right now,

1054
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: So shout out to him for first remaining just you know,

1055
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: elite as hell across the board, but for as frustrating

1056
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: as he could be at times during his UFC run

1057
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: and during his title and then this most recent run here.

1058
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 2: You know, with the MCOV fights at the highest level

1059
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: in Belatur, you're always like, man, I wish he just

1060
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 2: did more. I wish he threw more, wish he tried more,

1061
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 2: wish he emptied the tank more. Do you think all

1062
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 2: of those have added up to where he's gonna have

1063
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: one of these careers where he can just hang on

1064
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: and be elite for a long ass time, maybe into

1065
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: his forties, because he always kind of held back just

1066
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 2: a little bit, Luke, and he's responsible defensively.

1067
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: You know, I think you think that, right.

1068
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 2: I know that's like unfair, but that might be true. Look,

1069
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: this is a t of truths. Okay, I'm sorry if dude,

1070
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: if I get I mean, do you think I'm afraid

1071
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: little Knog's coming after me? Is that the situation where not?

1072
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: Luke, I don't think you're afraid the little nag is

1073
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: coming after you? Okay, I don't.

1074
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's okay. All you have to tell is

1075
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: the people elite or not elite. Loke, just say it, Okay.

1076
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: You are not elite? All right, we moved to point

1077
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: number four here, BC. This was an interesting one, all right.

1078
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: So Kevin Lee maybe got injured from the very first kick.

1079
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 1: That's not an exaggeration. We don't know what the full

1080
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: medical diagnosis is, but he was. He was on shaky

1081
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: legs almost immediately, but he did manage to score a

1082
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: unanimous decision victory against Diego Sanchiez. BC. How do you

1083
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: interpret a result where Diego lost and lost fairly but

1084
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: overperformed relative to expectations, and Kevin Lee won but underperformed

1085
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 1: but was also maybe pretty badly injured.

1086
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: Remember when I when we both agreed that JJ Wilson lost,

1087
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: was onst like, don't worry about it. It's kind of a

1088
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: win in the in the long run. This is a

1089
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: win that is kind of a loss in the long

1090
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: run because you're not you know, You're only supposed to

1091
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: knock Diego Sanchez the hell out and not take anything

1092
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: in return, and then you packaged, you know, I mean,

1093
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: Lee won and he was dominant, but but he you know,

1094
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: he didn't maybe do what you expected him to do

1095
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 2: with this type of matchmaking, and then you get seriously

1096
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: injured on top of that. Dude, I mean, I'm the

1097
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: I'm the last guy with long with you holding that

1098
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: flagpole atop of the hill as the storm's coming down,

1099
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: Luke and the beaches of Normandy are being invaded, and

1100
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 2: I'm saying, nah, bra future champion Kevin Lee and I

1101
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: and I know that's comedic and we have come down

1102
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: to earth on this run, you know, and saying, look,

1103
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: I mean he's young enough to still make something happen.

1104
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: But look, you know, you put in bad luck like this.

1105
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 2: It just it just felt like a flat tire. Dude,

1106
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 2: I just I can't get excited.

1107
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta tell you. I didn't love this about either. Listen, Okay,

1108
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: I thought Kevin was gonna go in there and dust him.

1109
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: And on the ground, Kevin did good even with that

1110
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: banged up knee. Like this is the only thing I'll

1111
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: say about it can well, not the only thing, but

1112
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: the major takeaway I have is a congrats to diego.

1113
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: He definitely overperformed. He definitely only had a very short camp.

1114
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: I know he was trained with Frank Lester and a

1115
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 1: couple other guys, and you know, given all those considerations,

1116
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: he turned in what I would consider to be a

1117
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: very admirable performance. I'll say that. And Kevin Lee again

1118
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: on the ground was just you know, significantly better here.

1119
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: I'll also say I'm willing to give Kevin Lee a

1120
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: mulligan for a lot of reasons, you know, getting cut

1121
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: from the UFC and new weight class, and he got

1122
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: injured right away, and that injury could be real bad.

1123
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: We'll see. The only thing I want to point out

1124
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: is I can't tell if the way Kevin Lee was

1125
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 1: striking was fully a function of the injury he had suffered,

1126
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: or with some accommodation for it. But like he's still

1127
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: not fainting at all. And again I want to be

1128
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: clear about this. It is not that I know better.

1129
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: It is not that I am any coach. It is

1130
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: not that anyone needs to take the specific advice I

1131
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: recommend or things I say and put them into action.

1132
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm merely voicing an opinion based on observations. But my

1133
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: observation is BC there is a It's not that the

1134
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: best ones only do it and everyone else doesn't. But

1135
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: one of the problems he had against Ali A Quinta

1136
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: he was just jousting with him. There was almost no setup,

1137
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: and al was over time able to make all these

1138
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: reads and then tear him up as a consequence. Now

1139
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: Kevin might have gone back to that because of this injury.

1140
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: That could be real time off, who knows. But I

1141
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: didn't see any change from that, And I think, while

1142
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm certainly willing to say this fight, you cannot throw

1143
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: it out, but it's hard to make a whole lot

1144
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: of it given all the factors. Nevertheless, that did catch

1145
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: my eye and it does make me wonder about the

1146
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: future where Kevin on the ground is a nightmare, but

1147
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: on the feet, I'm just not to this point. Injury, okay,

1148
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: you know makes it difficult to make a read BC,

1149
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: but I'll just say I'm a little bit worried about

1150
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: the development and the striking at this point, like officially worried,

1151
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: and I need to see more to see what happens.

1152
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: And it's hard because you know, this win or even

1153
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: potentially depending on the level competition. Of course, let's give

1154
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: a beep credit. He is finding some names out there,

1155
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 2: and he's gonna obviously produce some schmeshers coming up that

1156
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 2: we never heard of that are gonna end up going

1157
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: to the UFC one day. But this is, you know,

1158
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: going down to this level for Kevin Lee, and you know,

1159
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: he may be their eagle f c's one hundred and

1160
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: sixty five pound champion soon if they have that and

1161
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: he comes back from injury. But it's not like he's

1162
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 2: got to really use this as JV as minor league baseball,

1163
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 2: as training camp, as like I got to retool myself

1164
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 2: and look at the knee injury again, it's like not

1165
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 2: his fault, Luke, and he fought through it and didn't

1166
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: have a disaster in the end. But you know, the

1167
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 2: matchmaking didn't necessarily do him a lot of help. In

1168
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 2: any situation, even if you look great, it wouldn't the

1169
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: match making wouldn't have done him a lot of help

1170
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: because people would have not counted it as a good win.

1171
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, I got to see all these changes at

1172
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 2: this level, and I got to see them. Look, I

1173
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: gotta you know, you've got to make me fall for

1174
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 2: those changes at this level. You gotta make me get

1175
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 2: back out on that hill with the flag and tell

1176
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: you no, Kevin Lee's coming on. He's back. You know that,

1177
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: And certainly, for all the reasons we mentioned, this performance

1178
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: didn't accomplish that. But damn, dude, I mean, Luke, in

1179
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: three years, is he back in the UFC or headlining BKFC.

1180
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 2: Don't answer that because it's an unfair question. It's not

1181
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 2: fair at all, Luke. Life isn't fair.

1182
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: Damn, it is an unfair question. By the way, I

1183
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: didn't realize this on Friday, because you know, I can

1184
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: barely keep my brain working properly. Did you realize Ego

1185
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 1: FC will not sign women. They don't have a women's

1186
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: division or competitions at all.

1187
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 2: I never thought of that, Luke, this is I never

1188
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: thought of that, but you appear to be correct.

1189
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, it's his fight promotion. He can

1190
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: do what he wants with it, and not everyone has

1191
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: to have women. But you know, I'm guessing that the

1192
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: reasons for their exclusion under scrutiny would not necessarily hold

1193
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: up all that well. But you never know.

1194
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: I mean, like in boxing, PBC doesn't have a women's division,

1195
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 2: you know, just so it is what it is.

1196
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: Yes, Are they doing it because of fealty to relieve

1197
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 1: religious edicts or because they can't?

1198
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? I get, I mean I obviously get the extreme

1199
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: of what you're saying. Look, I'm just trying to do.

1200
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm trying to give Hbib a chance, a benefit of

1201
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 2: the doubt.

1202
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: It's his pipe promotion. He can do what he wants.

1203
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 2: You know, in the court of public opinion, what do

1204
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: you think, Like, what do you is Habibe? You think

1205
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 2: in the court of public opinion among like fans, like,

1206
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: he's not teflon by any means, And you know there's

1207
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 2: gonna be people that just look at him and because

1208
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 2: of where he comes from a religion.

1209
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: He was the only Russian who didn't get booed at

1210
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: you have seventy seven.

1211
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying. His like, he's so respected

1212
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: for all the right reasons, loved for all the like

1213
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: all that, and his record in the cage and the

1214
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: way he handles himself, but like he doesn't really have

1215
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 2: too many black marks. Like would you call the two

1216
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 2: twenty nine brawl afterwards a black mark or do you go, no,

1217
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 2: that's justified.

1218
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: I mean it's a little bit of a black mark,

1219
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, taking pigging the law into your own hands.

1220
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: And listen, here's the thing. Ultimately what happened ended up

1221
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,959
Speaker 1: not being the biggest deal, but those type of situations

1222
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: can escalate into something truly terrible. It didn't this time,

1223
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: but that's the risk you run with something like that.

1224
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: So in that sense, yes, I consider that a black market.

1225
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's issued like proclamations about you know,

1226
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: like rock music or something like that in Indakistan that

1227
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: he didn't like that he thought was out of character.

1228
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: You know, I don't I wouldn't put that on the

1229
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: same level, but certainly.

1230
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: Was it death metal? Look, was he talking about death metal?

1231
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't, I don't. I don't

1232
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: think it was that. But the point I'm trying to

1233
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: make is he stays, for the large part, very much

1234
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: out of trouble. He doesn't, for the most part, bother anybody.

1235
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: He doesn't have run ins with the law, he doesn't

1236
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: leave a love of life where he's you know, eating

1237
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: a hamburger that's falling apart as he's drunk on a carpet.

1238
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: Like David Hassel, he lives a pretty straightforward and clean

1239
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: life and so he gets to stay out of trouble

1240
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: as a consequence. I keep I keep killing Hassel Hall

1241
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: for that, but I'm sorry. You know, what can you do?

1242
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: Wow? Him trying to navigate that sandwich was was something.

1243
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: I mean, that was Wow.

1244
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I know, I couldn't tell if I wanted

1245
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: to buy a burger or if I wanted to just

1246
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: hose him off and delouse him. I couldn't tell.

1247
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: But Luke, did you did you like the ray Borg

1248
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: Ricky Bendetjas extravaganza because it was it was.

1249
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: A spirit of that back and forth. Yeah, I was

1250
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: a back and forth affair for a little while. Rayborg

1251
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: proving to be a little bit more of a competitive

1252
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: talent than I think what has reputationally followed him, given

1253
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: some of his you know, sort of tragic life circumstances

1254
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: and and some difficulties in the cage. He's a talented fighter,

1255
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: bendejus too, but he's a talented fighter, and that win

1256
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: was not surprising indeed.

1257
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 2: And Luke, I'll say this, like and by the way,

1258
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 2: our guy Ray Flores was doing announcing for for this

1259
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: promotion over the weekends and shout out to him. But

1260
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: they assemble that all star cast. Does that mean anything

1261
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 2: to you? I think it's it's a strong move by

1262
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: Habib to have so hudo usmann chail all, you know

1263
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: up in the you know, the up in the video

1264
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 2: so to speak, all like hosting that roundtable thing they do,

1265
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: being the the commentators and such. I know there's other

1266
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 2: people as well that they rotate in, but dude, like,

1267
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: you're only going to have a certain level of matchmaking

1268
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: at this at this it's not that the it's not

1269
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: that this is day one of Habid's promotion. It's already

1270
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 2: been going on, but bringing it to the US, it's

1271
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 2: day one on Hibidis for promotion. In a lot of ways, Luke. Yeah,

1272
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 2: so far, for the hand he's dealt and the limitations

1273
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: of his size and the fact that yes he's putting

1274
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: out wash fights to try to rely on that to

1275
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 2: move the tickets, he's done pretty damn well, Luke. You know,

1276
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: I like it. I like what I've seen.

1277
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the first event was I mean, it's

1278
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: forty six, but I mean under this one, it's not

1279
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: even the first event, but this sort of this was

1280
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: the first bigger event I think they put on since

1281
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: some of the new deals and with this one sixty

1282
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: five pound main event. Yes, I think that they have

1283
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: done some very interesting things so far. I don't really

1284
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: have much of an issue with it at all. I'd

1285
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: say again, they're a good entrant into this larger regional market.

1286
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: Getting back to the question about the booth, though there

1287
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: was too many voices. You had Shudo, Ousman, Jale and

1288
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: the play by play guy, and not that the four

1289
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: of them couldn't do it well in the sense that like,

1290
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: can we keep a conversation flowing and say interesting things,

1291
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: but it ended up sounding directly like a fight companion

1292
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: because there are four voices. That's way too many. Also,

1293
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: you can cut your costs by axing a couple of

1294
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: those guys and just having a play and a color

1295
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: and you could save on that.

1296
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: But you know, but the thing is, though, Luke, and

1297
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 2: this is why I defend it. Is it perfect? Is

1298
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 2: it hilarious? No? Is it better though than I don't

1299
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: know who they would have gotten instead. But let's say

1300
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 2: it's a it's a step down level. It's it's more

1301
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 2: entertaining than that. To me, i'd you know, I don't.

1302
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 2: I don't hate it, Luke. It is a fight companion.

1303
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 2: You're damn right of this.

1304
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: But uh, it's just also which is which is great

1305
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:44,959
Speaker 1: if that's what you want.

1306
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 2: But the transition, obviously for Herbie has to be away

1307
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 2: from the carnival fight. And you know, but it takes

1308
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 2: time to build up names. Let's see if he can

1309
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 2: ever get a free agent who's within their prime. Still,

1310
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: that's the big get for.

1311
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: Any you hear the thing though, like, just to tell fans,

1312
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: why would you set up business in Florida? A couple

1313
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: of reasons. One, I know folks don't want to hear this,

1314
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens. But there are some indications

1315
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: that a new wave of COVID is coming in Europe,

1316
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: which means it'll probably hit here at some point. What

1317
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: it will look like and how bad it will be,

1318
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: I have no fucking idea. But the point I'm trying

1319
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: to make is Florida will be I won't say, like,

1320
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: you know, uh, it won't be COVID resistant, but it

1321
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: in terms of the business practices, it will allow you

1322
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: to stay open in the event that there is another

1323
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: flare up seasonally or whatever the fuck happens. That's one. Two.

1324
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: They're obviously going to be accommodating from a business standpoint.

1325
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: They had the Mayor of Miami making several remarks directed

1326
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: just for the ego FC audience and ego FC events,

1327
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: so they clearly have a good relationship with the city there.

1328
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: But the point being is here, you don't go to

1329
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: Florida if you're not interested in putting on fights that

1330
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: maybe other commissions wouldn't put on. Period. That doesn't mean

1331
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: all of them, that doesn't mean every time. In fact,

1332
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: the vast majority of them I thought were fine and

1333
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: we'll be fine again JDS Versus you're going to Castro.

1334
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: I think that's probably winnable in either directions. So it's Okay,

1335
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: but dude, you don't set up business in Florida. If

1336
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: you're like, we're gonna put on you know, we're not

1337
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: going for the carnival fights. That's what you go to Florida,

1338
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: four man, That's that's why you go there. That's what

1339
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: lives there. Don't you think a little too ironic? No?

1340
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 2: I mean it makes everything you're saying it makes sense. Luke,

1341
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 2: I've been there. I did want to ask you, does

1342
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: it make any sense? Though? In terms of Habib's VN game, Like,

1343
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: is the best endgame scenario him like merging with a

1344
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 2: PFL or Bellator, you know what I mean? Or is

1345
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 2: it or is it to be a regional one that

1346
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 2: sets people up for the UFC.

1347
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: It's a good question. Well, here's the thing. This is

1348
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: why I like the one sixty five pound division. One

1349
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: is just good to get these tweeters. But BBC's oh

1350
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: I caught myself in a Peter Griffin moment, did I not? Yes?

1351
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: I did a BBC okay, but number two, Brian Campbell,

1352
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: he's got to do something different, has to do something

1353
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: different if you're just trying to do what Bellator is

1354
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: also doing, or PFL is also doing. Maybe you try

1355
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: some tournament bullshit or whatever, you're just going to be

1356
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: repeating what they're doing. What is a meaningful alternative that

1357
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: you can offer. Well, one of those things can be,

1358
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: among others, you can recruit from a certain part of

1359
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: the world and give them access to this American market

1360
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: that can help your talent pipeline. The other one can

1361
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: be we're gonna play with weight classes a little bit

1362
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: in areas where it might make sense. One sixty five

1363
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: is the most sense possible, and we're gonna sort of

1364
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: market that as a potential alternative for burgeoning fighters. That

1365
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: to me is very interesting in a real path to

1366
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: something not by itself sustainable, but part of a larger

1367
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: effort sustainable.

1368
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 2: So don't be like indoor Football League and change all

1369
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 2: the rules radically and let that be your gimmick.

1370
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: Don't do that shit. Yes, yes, don't do that shit.

1371
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,919
Speaker 1: But playing with the margins a little bit I think

1372
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: can be impactful. All right, BC, Last, but not least,

1373
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: people are calling this Matman out. Granted we're only in March,

1374
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: but it's an early contender for, at least in the

1375
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: box side of things. Fight of the Year. Lee Wood

1376
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: and Michael Conlin. What is this BC one twenty six?

1377
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: What is that feather right in?

1378
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 2: This was for woods WBA featherweight title And it's not

1379
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: that like this wasn't on our radar, but we didn't

1380
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 2: preview it last week for a reason. We just thought

1381
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 2: it would be like, you know, another fight. It wasn't

1382
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 2: another fight, Luke, Holy shit, dude, not at all, not

1383
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: at all.

1384
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: So first of all, the the zone I thought did

1385
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: a great job. I don't know if Carl Frantch has

1386
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: ever commentated a British fighter he thought was losing, but

1387
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: neither here nor there. He and the other dog did

1388
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: a good job, like making the atmosphere what it was.

1389
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: The fans were fucking bananas, the wackouse bananas.

1390
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 2: Dude. Tell me when you're watching that, you're like, I'm

1391
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 2: not high, but I'm high, bro, Like this is everything

1392
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 2: I wish life was this.

1393
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: I want to be in a crowd like that. I

1394
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: want to.

1395
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 2: I mean, as great as you have c crowds are, Luke,

1396
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 2: and you have CE crowds at you know, at the

1397
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 2: at the highest level Vegas pay per viewer insane. They

1398
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 2: don't have that though. They don't have that organic thing.

1399
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 2: The UK and Ireland has right now for combat sports, Luke,

1400
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 2: and damn do they love their boxers. Holy this was

1401
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 2: a Nottingham England, so Leewood's the champion. Michael Conlin, though

1402
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 2: from Ireland, is unbeaten, and Luke he's that guy from

1403
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 2: the twenty sixteen Olympics who gave the middle fingers to

1404
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 2: the judges when he felt he was screwed.

1405
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: Of advancing Conlin in studio a couple of times.

1406
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 2: I like him and look, he's a great kid, but

1407
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 2: he was getting to this point while still unbeaten, where

1408
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 2: we were all like, okay, dude, he's a fun boxer,

1409
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 2: but I don't see you don't see knockout power and

1410
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 2: I just don't see him making that leap, like like

1411
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 2: he may never really really really get there. And then

1412
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 2: he comes out in this fight. Luke, his first title fight,

1413
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 2: got to travel to England for it, and he's in

1414
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 2: his opponent's backyard. But yet there's fans of both there

1415
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 2: and they respect all. Dude, he that knockdown he scored

1416
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 2: in round one, like he came out power punch and

1417
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,959
Speaker 2: you're like, this is a different dude, and Luke, dude,

1418
01:05:58,400 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 2: I know a ton about Leewood. I know I've s

1419
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 2: his fights. I don't. I'm not a Leewood historian. I

1420
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 2: didn't know he was made of that same medal, though,

1421
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 2: Luke to be able to rally back, and I mean

1422
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 2: he's down on the scorecards in round twelve and he

1423
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 2: scores one of the most storybook knockouts that we're gonna

1424
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 2: reference for years to come and knocks the guy the

1425
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 2: fuck out of the ring. Dude on his head basically

1426
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 2: in front of the lap of his dad and brother.

1427
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 2: I mean, Luke, it's just like you could look at

1428
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 2: this from like title fight between two top guys and

1429
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 2: it ended awesome, or you can look at it just

1430
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 2: from the Rocky movie batshit craziness of it. What a

1431
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: freaking fight. The crowd was into us back and forth.

1432
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 2: That seventh round brawl they had was insane. It was chippy, like,

1433
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 2: this was a freaking fight.

1434
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: This was unbelievable. This was the atmosphere was unbelievable. And

1435
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: Conlin comes out drops Lee at the end of the

1436
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: first round and let it be known, even through like

1437
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: the third and well beyond that, but certainly through the

1438
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: third and fourth round, BC several times not knocking Leewood

1439
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: down but rocking him on his feet where he you know,

1440
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: he gets visibly shaken and his feet are unsteady, and

1441
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: then the crowd starts to roar, and then Conlin follows

1442
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: up a little bit. That happened several times throughout the spot.

1443
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: That left hand from Conlin was giving Leewood fits all

1444
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: the way through. I'm gonna SABC ninth tenth round. It

1445
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: was still landing. And in fact, I watched the after

1446
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: show and they got the scores from the judges. All

1447
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: three judges had Conlin winning heading into the twelfth but

1448
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: three points.

1449
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 2: But I think Conlin needed to win the twelfth to

1450
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 2: make it a split decision win right or maybe making

1451
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 2: a majority of decision.

1452
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: My understanding was two of the judges had him up

1453
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: by well, so he was losing the twelfth. But my

1454
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: understanding was two of the judges had him up by one,

1455
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: one had him up by three, so.

1456
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 2: He okay, So he would have lost the fight. He

1457
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 2: would have lost the fight by split decision if he

1458
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 2: doesn't if he loses that twelfth round and oh, by

1459
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 2: the way, gets knocked out of the ring, look yes.

1460
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: Well yes, I mean it depends on what happens at

1461
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: the end of the twelth round. But the point I'm

1462
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: trying to make is heading into the twelfth, he was

1463
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: up on all three, for whatever that's worth. So had

1464
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: he been able to take the twelfth, which he was

1465
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: not on his way towards, then he could have coasted

1466
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: to a decision. The point I'm trying to make here

1467
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: is BC, he was doing really, really, really well through

1468
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: ten to eleven rounds, But Dude Lee Wood, he did not

1469
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: impress me so much with his tactical acumen. Although the

1470
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: body work late in that fight was really what set

1471
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: it all up. Conlin had nowhere to hide Conlin's evasive movement.

1472
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: It reminded me of a very different version but the

1473
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: same kind of core concept BC between Canelo and Kayleb Plant. Again,

1474
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: two different fighters, two different weight classes, two different everything's

1475
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 1: different about it except Canelo had to do a lot

1476
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: of body work to finally get to a place where

1477
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: he could do the rest of what he wanted to

1478
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: to Kayleb Plant. Dude Lee Wood had to go over

1479
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: and over and over to the body and a lot

1480
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: of that meant putting himself in the line of fire

1481
01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: and getting buzzed and tuned up and just crushed with

1482
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: heavy shots, but he stayed with it. Finally was able

1483
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: to pressure Conlent against the ropes in that eleventh and

1484
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: twelfth round and then you saw the ending there, dude

1485
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: in front of his family sends him through the ropes

1486
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 1: after being down on the cards. The kind of competitive

1487
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: will and mental fortitude Leewood had to have in that

1488
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: moment is shared by only only only not the skill

1489
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: so much BC, although that's there two, but that will,

1490
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:32,759
Speaker 1: that dog in him is exceedingly rare and it paid

1491
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: off big time.

1492
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 2: Holy sh I mean. And then just to show you

1493
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 2: his character, then he was show they didn't know if

1494
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 2: Colin was okay, and Colin was down for a long

1495
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 2: time and got you know, a medical personnel and got

1496
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 2: removed and luckily the videos afterwards, and he wants to

1497
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 2: rematch it all. You know, he's bad, he's good, But

1498
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 2: he fell out of the ring on the back of

1499
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 2: his head more or less where you know, there's no

1500
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 2: video of it, or at least that they showed. But

1501
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 2: and you had the winner refusing to celebrate and telling

1502
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 2: the proud to go down, and even in the post

1503
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 2: fight interview being like you know, we hope Michael's okay

1504
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 2: and not really focusing on himself, so shout out to

1505
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 2: him as a sportsman for that first of all. But damn, Luke,

1506
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 2: I mean, like it's it's it's easy to say to

1507
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,839
Speaker 2: see why a fight like this is great for boxing

1508
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 2: and it builds momentum. But Luke, right now, and you

1509
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 2: can argue last year was great for boxing right right now,

1510
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 2: we're in the season that part of why boxing is

1511
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,719
Speaker 2: so good right now. And don't you know, oh, boxing

1512
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 2: is dead. Okay, we'll hear that every other year for sure,

1513
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 2: right believe it. Believe in some of those other years,

1514
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 2: I might believe it. But you get my point. It's

1515
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 2: because we have a large group of sub elite fighters

1516
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 2: who want so badly to prove that they're elite. George Cambosis, Lee,

1517
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 2: would you know, I mean, like we're seeing this happen

1518
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 2: more and more people are going for it right now,

1519
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 2: and I don't know what happened, Luke. It's not that

1520
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:59,879
Speaker 2: there's never you know, a sub genre of active boxers

1521
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 2: are willing to do that. You know, obviously when it

1522
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 2: gets to the elite level, though, it wakes you up more.

1523
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: And we just have a badass bunch at the moment,

1524
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 2: and there's an old school spirit that's coming back around

1525
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 2: again right now in the sport that was gone during

1526
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 2: the Clitch Goo in Mayweather era. Even though I'm not

1527
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 2: like blaming them for it, but it was sort of

1528
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 2: like a somewhat sterilized run where we had a lot

1529
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 2: of guys get into elite fights and just go, oh,

1530
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna win this. Okay, I'm just gonna not

1531
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 2: get hurt. You know what I'm saying. We got people

1532
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 2: that are going for it right now.

1533
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: Saying so, why do you think it? Does it turn

1534
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: like that often? Like every ten years it just kind

1535
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: of changes or what what do you estimate is the

1536
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: reason why everything has turned in the direction that it has.

1537
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, everything's cyclical and in general right.

1538
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 2: Second of all, you know sometimes trends can change. I mean,

1539
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 2: why is why is the UK on fire right now

1540
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 2: for boxing? Because you know you could argue.

1541
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: To go and do an MK show in the UK.

1542
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: We really remember.

1543
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 2: I didn't do it Ethel and I said, Luke over

1544
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 2: under five thousand fans? Can we put five thousand in

1545
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 2: for a live show with big name? Yes, you damn right, we.

1546
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: Could, Okay, I bet we could.

1547
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but look like, okay, everything's cyclic cool, we

1548
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 2: know that, but sometimes like trends happen, like why why

1549
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 2: is the UK so on fire for boxing? Maybe you

1550
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 2: go back to the twenty twelve Olympic class and Anthony

1551
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 2: joshu Wan was just this wave of momentum and look

1552
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 2: at what it's doing now. You know, sometimes you get

1553
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 2: that in boxing and it gives birth to different things.

1554
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 2: I think when Floyd Mayweather and Al Hayman learned how

1555
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 2: to beat the game for the for the truly elite

1556
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 2: number one guy, and you know, obviously like they didn't

1557
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 2: invent that sugar Ray Leonard was paid more than anyone

1558
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 2: you know in his time ever, you know, I mean

1559
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 2: does he had a smart manager? They were ahead of it.

1560
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 2: But this era's version of that when Al Hayman figured

1561
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 2: out how to minimize the middleman of the promoter and

1562
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 2: put a starfighter like a Floyd in more position to

1563
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 2: call the shots and get more of the purse, which

1564
01:12:56,200 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 2: are all very good things, but the negative fallout of

1565
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 2: that as you get a new generation of people that

1566
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 2: want to be boxing businessmen, and you know who is

1567
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 2: going to stand there and say, don't be like that

1568
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 2: when you know how dangerous the sport is, and you

1569
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 2: know how many after the sport are financially and physically

1570
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 2: damaged for as long as they last, right, I mean,

1571
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 2: it's the grim reality of combat sports. But I think

1572
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 2: that era Luke created a trend. And again it wasn't

1573
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 2: in every pocket, you know. I mean, I'm sure if

1574
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 2: you're a Mexican American boxing fan, you're like, what trend

1575
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 2: are you talking about again? You know what I mean, Like,

1576
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 2: I've never heard of that for sure. But I think

1577
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 2: it was a trend, bloke, and I think it's coming

1578
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 2: back around again in a good direction. And hopefully obviously

1579
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 2: we get more promoters and counter networks being willing to

1580
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 2: work together for the super big fights, which is we've

1581
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 2: been on a good run of that lately, so let's

1582
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 2: hope we're going somewhere. This fight great. Do we see

1583
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 2: a rematch though, Luke, because I think that's like, that's

1584
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 2: about as great as Conlin can be, right, and he's

1585
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 2: still had this heartbreaking defeat.

1586
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: So I looked at the rankings. I've got them up

1587
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 1: here for one to win, obviously, Mark Maxio has the

1588
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: WBC belt. Leo Santa Cruz and Lee Wood are at WBA,

1589
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: IBF is Keiko Martinez, and then WBO has Emmanuel Nevareete BC.

1590
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,799
Speaker 1: Michael Conlin is still well. I mean this is not updated,

1591
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: but was ranked one in WBA. He loses, he wants

1592
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: a rematch first all, I don't think that's the worst

1593
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: call in the world, given he takes time off and

1594
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 1: there's medical supervision about this, Like you know, under that consideration,

1595
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: I love a rematch. But if Michael Conlin can't get

1596
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: that fight BC, what do you make about him taking

1597
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 1: on number two Brandon Figueroa.

1598
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 2: Well, well, of course, of course you'd love that. I

1599
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 2: don't know if it's how makeable it is now you

1600
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 2: can conner that and say, well, isn't Conlin a top

1601
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 2: ranked ESPN guy and he just fought in his own

1602
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 2: for the title. Yeah, and that's can be keeping up, folks.

1603
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 2: Let's hope we can keep doing that. Uh, Could he

1604
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 2: fight Figureo next? No? I mean that that's that's also

1605
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 2: that's also a weight class above and depends if if

1606
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 2: Figaroa is leaving one, well, I.

1607
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: Guess he's still ranked number two at one twenty six

1608
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 1: if he wants it. But I mean, here's the thing

1609
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: we see, like people asking what's next? Is he going

1610
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,919
Speaker 1: to get a title shot in the WBO IBF for WBC.

1611
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that he would. Granted, these are more

1612
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,719
Speaker 1: along the lines of the the networks and then the

1613
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 1: promoters behind them. But I'm just trying to figure out

1614
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: who else on this list you would like to see

1615
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: him if it's not a rematch?

1616
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, do you give a guy a little

1617
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 2: bit of a get well fight after a knockout loss

1618
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 2: that vicious? That's there's potential in that. Look. It may

1619
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 2: end up being It may end up being a fight

1620
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 2: we wouldn't want. But I think there's a reason why

1621
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 2: Team Conlin should be so aggressive to try to make

1622
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 2: a rematch, not only for the financial potential of cashing

1623
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 2: in on how crazy that fight was in the atmosphere,

1624
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 2: of course, yes, And if you're the promoters, as you mentioned,

1625
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 2: this is kind of hot right now, you might as

1626
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 2: well do that because if you're Leewoods promoter, you're going

1627
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 2: man no one. You know, people weren't really talking about

1628
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 2: him around the world, you know, a few days ago.

1629
01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 2: Now they are of course, let's do this rematch. But

1630
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 2: I'm wondering, Luke, if your team Comlin and you consider

1631
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 2: how aggressive he was, because I think in his mind, Luke,

1632
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 2: to win the title, I gotta be more than I've

1633
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 2: been in the past, right, I can't just be a

1634
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 2: boxer or even an aggressive boxer. I've got to stalk him.

1635
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 2: I gotta walk him down. I mean, he was, as

1636
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 2: you said, slinging with that left hand. I thought there

1637
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 2: was times I thought maybe he had wood close to

1638
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 2: being hurt again. And he's not a puncher. He just

1639
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,719
Speaker 2: put together the accumulation of all of that in well

1640
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 2: timed shots that would didn't see coming. But Luke, I

1641
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 2: think if your team Colin, you wonder in a rematch,

1642
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 2: if they committed to boxing and you tried to look

1643
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 2: it's not going to be nearly as exciting of a fight,

1644
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 2: but you tried to slow the pace down and control

1645
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 2: it as a quick southpaw and jab and get out

1646
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 2: and all that. I wonder if that's a potentially strong

1647
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 2: counter strategy that we often see, by the way, in

1648
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 2: rematches anytime you get an action fight with non action fighters.

1649
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that Leewood isn't. But you get

1650
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 2: my point. The rematch is always going to be way

1651
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 2: more tactical and not as fun. But I wonder if

1652
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 2: Colin could win a rematch by boxing Luke.

1653
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 1: What do you think, dude? He was every much his

1654
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,679
Speaker 1: equal or slightly better for the majority of that fight.

1655
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the reality, right for as long as

1656
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: that fight lasted. If you had to add up who

1657
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,640
Speaker 1: was better than who in terms of the amount of

1658
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 1: time they took up, winning exchanges, winning rounds, you know,

1659
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: essentially lording their skill over their opponent. It was close,

1660
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, it was close to the whole time.

1661
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: But Conlin was was better up until lee Wood just

1662
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,679
Speaker 1: kind of took that fight by the scruff of the neck. Again,

1663
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: Michael Conlin's medical situation, I think we need to like

1664
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:38,640
Speaker 1: take a wait and see approach. I definitely feel like

1665
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: both guys can make adjustments, and yes, there could be

1666
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 1: a word listen lee Wood's finish in this fight. I'm

1667
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 1: not saying that he has peaked in terms of He'll

1668
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: never He'll never do other good fights or have other

1669
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: big wins. He'll never have a win like that. Again,

1670
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: not many boxers ever will in their fucking lives much

1671
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 1: less after the fact of one like this. But do

1672
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: I think Conlin and Wood might actually be an interesting

1673
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: pairing that gets you several iterations of similar but maybe

1674
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 1: different kinds of action, you know, again those adjustments, but

1675
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: still good. I maybe, so, I think it might be

1676
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: worth considering that.

1677
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 2: And I don't think we should go too much further,

1678
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 2: as much as we are here to play up the

1679
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 2: chances would took to be able to win this fight

1680
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 2: and have this poor man's corralous castillo rocky movie type

1681
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 2: ending right like just incredible, dude, Michael Collin showed such

1682
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 2: a dare to be great will and obviously tough enough.

1683
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,440
Speaker 2: Didn't Colin get dropped, Luke, It was like a questionable

1684
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 2: slip knockdown.

1685
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 1: But he got hit. But it did look his foot

1686
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: is literally on top of this like you know, you

1687
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 1: could see water had been spilled in the corner and

1688
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: his foot was on it. And he does get hit,

1689
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 1: but his foot slides out backwards, not even in the

1690
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 1: way in which he was hit, so it looked more

1691
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: like a slip to me.

1692
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 2: To me, well, he showed an incredible heart in his

1693
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 2: spirit in fight, you know, I mean, he was willing

1694
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 2: to risk it all. The knockout obviously was so surprising

1695
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 2: because of the ropes. But look, because of that one punch,

1696
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 2: Conlin looked not you know, not prime before that. I

1697
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 2: mean he was, he was tired and Wood was walking

1698
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 2: him down, but he looked with it. Dude. That one

1699
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 2: short right hand was you talk about perfect timing, right

1700
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 2: on the chin, short and powerful. It turned the lights off, Luke.

1701
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 2: I mean it just you know, the parachute came out

1702
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 2: like that was, and that's you don't see those type

1703
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 2: of knockouts often, you know what I'm saying. That's like

1704
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 2: George Storman, Michael Moore.

1705
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: Shit, you know, dude. That's also why, you know, being

1706
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 1: up against the ropes, man like Tyson Fury can get

1707
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: away with it because he's so tall and so uh

1708
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: uh you know, rangy, he can really lean all the

1709
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: way back and then use the ropes to give to

1710
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 1: give himself. Like in the octagon there's no give, but

1711
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 1: in the ropes there's some give. And the boxers of

1712
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,719
Speaker 1: course know how much give you can lean into the ropes.

1713
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: With the point I'm trying to make here is he

1714
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: if you're evading and moving your head the whole time.

1715
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: Eventually they might be able to especially as you're slow

1716
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 1: and your reactions get slower and they get a little

1717
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: bit more predictable, they can tell which side you're going

1718
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: to go to. He didn't just move into his own

1719
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: left the right side of Lee Wood. Sorry, he didn't

1720
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: just like to get over this way. He like literally

1721
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 1: moved into the punch BC, like he dodged into it.

1722
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: So it was a perfect placement, good read by him,

1723
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: and just you know, bad luck in some ways, I

1724
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 1: suppose for Michael Conlin. And you saw the result, dude,

1725
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,879
Speaker 1: that is a you know, you just won't see finishes

1726
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,679
Speaker 1: like that, not only every year, but not very often

1727
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 1: at all in your entire consumption time. How many times

1728
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: can you say, BC, in the twelfth round of a

1729
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: world title fight, you saw a guy, after winning most

1730
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: of the fight get knocked square through the ropes. It

1731
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 1: almost never happens.

1732
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way he was, he was out

1733
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 2: before he even got to the ropes, which is why

1734
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 2: he fell. Filling so crazy, I mean that's I mean, like,

1735
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 2: that's like Joe Smith Junior finishing Bernard Hopkins's career by

1736
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 2: knocking him out of the ring only this was a

1737
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 2: title fight and like two guys in their absolute prime

1738
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 2: and and you know, maybe not as sad in that

1739
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:58,759
Speaker 2: regard because of how ridiculously competitive this fight was. But wow, wow, wow,

1740
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 2: thank you to these two. They thank you boxing, Thank

1741
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 2: you to that crowd out there. Luke real quick though

1742
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 2: on Conlin when he turned pro. He turned pro with

1743
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 2: Shaquer Stevenson under the top rank banner, and they were

1744
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 2: from the same Olympic year, and there was this narrative

1745
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 2: in the beginning that they were eventually going to fight

1746
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,679
Speaker 2: each other. Luke, and even though Conlin hadn't lost until

1747
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 2: this fight, shack Curse Stevenson started lapping him quick in

1748
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 2: terms of the eye test and that's why everybody stopped

1749
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 2: talking about that for a while. But shout out to

1750
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 2: Conlin for still putting. You know, look, he exceeded my

1751
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,719
Speaker 2: expectations and that's why I think he deserves a rematch

1752
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 2: fair enough.

1753
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 1: Well, that is it for our Top five BC. It

1754
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: is time for us to answer the questions from the viewers.

1755
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 1: It is time for dms from the digity.

1756
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 2: Thus hehawhaw, yehaw.

1757
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 1: We do it every Monday. We put up an Instagram

1758
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: post on Sunday and you give us your questions. The

1759
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: producers then send them to us and then we answer.

1760
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: All right, BC, let's go first too. Let's see from

1761
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: s crapitalism. I guess this must be somebody who is

1762
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: doesn't like capitalism. After what Khalil did on Saturday. Why

1763
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,640
Speaker 1: don't we see enough knees, kicks and punches to the

1764
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 1: body in a ground and pound context. We see you?

1765
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:21,759
Speaker 1: May I take this one first?

1766
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 2: Please? Please? Uh.

1767
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 1: It is harder to maintain control. So if you're inside control,

1768
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways to maintain that pressure. For example,

1769
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 1: you could do it with head pressure or shoulder pressure.

1770
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 1: Rather controlling the head. You can reach through all the

1771
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: way behind them, grab their armpit, pull them into you,

1772
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: and you can isolate the neck and the spine that

1773
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: part of it. But you have to isolate the hips too.

1774
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 1: That's the two ends of the rope you have to

1775
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 1: you have to control. There's a lot of ways you

1776
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 1: can do that. But one of the ways is you

1777
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: could take your elbow on the opposite side and then

1778
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 1: your knee on the inside, and then you kind of

1779
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 1: just wedge the body in between. Although you don't have

1780
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 1: to do it that way. People with the gie will

1781
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:58,719
Speaker 1: grab the belt and force on top knee on belly.

1782
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: Is that way you have such control on the hips

1783
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 1: that you know you can you can sometimes relent some

1784
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,640
Speaker 1: control up top. You get the idea you have to

1785
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: control for both of those. When you begin to move

1786
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: your knee away, if the rest of your control is

1787
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 1: not airtight or where it needs to be, they can

1788
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: begin to move underneath you. So you have to do

1789
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,600
Speaker 1: it in context where you're not where If someone is

1790
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 1: super squirmy underneath, they need to be controlled a little

1791
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 1: bit more. And I think that's why. But also BC

1792
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 1: people just don't use it as much as they could,

1793
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 1: even in open circumstances like Carell Rountree had a guy

1794
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 1: he pushed away who was getting up. A lot of

1795
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 1: guys wait until they stand to fire a head kick.

1796
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: Khalil Rountree just does it. He goes right to the

1797
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 1: body right away, right just before they even have a

1798
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: chance to move, Yeah, which just kicks them right away.

1799
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 1: So it's just it's just also a prioritization thing.

1800
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I would have to think the fear

1801
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 2: of submission or being you know, caught badly at a

1802
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 2: position is part of it. But dude, that's just some

1803
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 2: I mean, look you we'll see the highlight and have

1804
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 2: you seen this ship? But can we just talk now

1805
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 2: about Khalil Rowntree, who had a great win in this

1806
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 2: fight of violent his shit win over what Carl Roberson

1807
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 2: his sharing his story and doing it so impassionately in

1808
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 2: the interview than the postfight presser. And I know a

1809
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 2: lot of the people, like Aaron brown Saider on Twitter

1810
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 2: started to tell it, I've never heard any of that stuff, Luke,

1811
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 2: in terms of ever hearing his Like I've covered his fights,

1812
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 2: I just don't remember seeing that deeply or maybe watching

1813
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 2: long interviews where he got into it, and maybe he

1814
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 2: didn't get into it before or I missed it. But

1815
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 2: this is an inspiring shit.

1816
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: Luke Super. You know a lot of these guys have

1817
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: not had it easy one one way or the other

1818
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 1: for whatever thing life through with them and have had

1819
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: to find ways to overcome. His was the tragic death

1820
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: of his father. I'm sure there were a lot of

1821
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: other things that went along with that, including but not

1822
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 1: limited to the weight gain, which compounds other problems about

1823
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: self doubt and everything else. And he has worked through

1824
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 1: to get to a point where and by the way,

1825
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,799
Speaker 1: he almost retired as well. You know, he has found

1826
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 1: a lot of times some difficulty has found him, but

1827
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: he has as he has he has persevered through not

1828
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: merely self belief, but just through action by getting out

1829
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:11,480
Speaker 1: in the world and and and you know, finding finding

1830
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 1: finding salvation through effort.

1831
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 2: You know, I mean when when you when you hear

1832
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 2: him say, I was you know, three hundred pounds and

1833
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 2: and doing nothing and you know, depression and and you know,

1834
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 2: like there's two ways you go when you hit those crossroads,

1835
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 2: Luke and and uh to see him make it. But

1836
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 2: but be that, be that emotional rightfully so and sharing it. God,

1837
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 2: that's that. I mean. Look, you know it's like it's

1838
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 2: forget so damn relatable. It's like it just makes me

1839
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 2: want to put the running shoes on and go out there.

1840
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1841
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 1: I hear you, bro Also one little note on the

1842
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 1: ground and pound. I forget who Kevin Randaman did it to.

1843
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 1: But it was in pride. Remember, in pride you can

1844
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 1: need the head of a downed opponent, not just the body.

1845
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 1: The question here is the body. I forget who it is.

1846
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and find it. If someone knows that,

1847
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,759
Speaker 1: leave a comment. There is one fight that Kevin Randaman

1848
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 1: has in Pride where he not only knees the head

1849
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: of a down to opponent, he actually goes vertical while

1850
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 1: on the ground and then knees straight down bop bop,

1851
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 1: back to back, two knees, one right after the other.

1852
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 1: One of the more athletic incredible things you'll ever see.

1853
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 1: I'll try and find exactly who that was. He did

1854
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 1: that too, BC from z Riggs. Would making all high

1855
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: level MMA contests five rounds lead to better scorecards championship

1856
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 1: fights staying the same, non championship fights being five three

1857
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 1: minute rounds. What do you think?

1858
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 2: No, I mean, would you get a would you be

1859
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:40,759
Speaker 2: would you be more likely given the distance to find

1860
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 2: out answers and fights that could create finishes or a

1861
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:47,799
Speaker 2: one sided finish that wouldn't matter on the score cards

1862
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 2: maybe percentage wise, but when the very elite faced the

1863
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 2: very elite, it doesn't change whether you go three or

1864
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 2: five in terms of the potential for you know, odd

1865
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 2: numbered scoring here, Luke no and no.

1866
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:02,680
Speaker 1: Well, you might in this sense be see you might

1867
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:04,719
Speaker 1: in the sense that like if you have three minutes,

1868
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: it might be easier to judge in terms of the

1869
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 1: action than five. It's two less minutes you have to judge.

1870
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:12,560
Speaker 1: So there might be a little bit clear a complexion

1871
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: of what's happening, but you're probably get worse MMA. So yeah,

1872
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 1: you're judging, might get somewhat more clear eyed, but it'd

1873
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 1: be clear eyed because you made mm a shittier.

1874
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 2: So no, thanks, right, clear eyes, full heart. Can't lose, Luke, Right,

1875
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 2: Texas Forever.

1876
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 1: Street, Texas not for me? All right? At David Underscore Spangler.

1877
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 2: You know what they do in Texas? I respect Luke.

1878
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:40,639
Speaker 2: You ask them a direct question about Little Nog, they'll

1879
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 2: tell you the truth. I mean, that's just just a.

1880
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 1: You know Texas right there. Everything's bigger in Texas, and

1881
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 1: we tell the truth about Little Nog. That's what they

1882
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: That's what they're known for in that state. All right?

1883
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 1: What meaningful difference is do you see in Pareeda style

1884
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 1: compared to Izzy striking wise for better or worse in

1885
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 1: terms of MMA?

1886
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke, are you doing an extra credit? Can we

1887
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 2: talk about this man?

1888
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 1: We can talk about it. I probably will do an

1889
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 1: extra credit on him, but yes, we can talk about it.

1890
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 2: What did you think of the of the performance against Bruno.

1891
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: Silva, I thought it was yeah. I mean, listen, there's

1892
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: a great video by Gabriel Vargas or Varga Varga, that's

1893
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 1: his name, excuse me, Varga. He's a Canadian kickboxer, and

1894
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 1: he explained that that style of kickboxing, that is, he

1895
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 1: has that evasive style, it's not so suited for kickboxing

1896
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:35,679
Speaker 1: as you might imagine, but it is very suited for MMA.

1897
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: The reasons he goes through them about in terms of

1898
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: combination work and the defense and everything else that goes

1899
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 1: behind it. There are reasons why guys don't do that

1900
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 1: as much in regular kickboxing, and why people who have

1901
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: that style that can have great success, but it will

1902
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 1: maybe potentially limit them a little bit, but it's very

1903
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 1: valuable for MMA. Conversely, I guess one point I would

1904
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 1: try to make is I am in no way an

1905
01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 1: expert on Alex Perrero. Although it's funny I covered him

1906
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 1: in the Life Man's Standing tournament. I was there and

1907
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 1: the hype in him at the time was not nearly

1908
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 1: as big. He really turned himself into something. Not in

1909
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 1: that so much in that tournament, but after that fact,

1910
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,440
Speaker 1: but his style I think is much better for kickboxing,

1911
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna say limits him in m man.

1912
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,560
Speaker 1: That's not quite right, but I don't think it translates

1913
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 1: quite as nimbly. It doesn't do him as many favors,

1914
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:24,879
Speaker 1: even though he has significant ability relative to this style

1915
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 1: that Adasanya was importing based on some of that defense,

1916
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 1: which means he had a bit of more of a

1917
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 1: blood and guts affair with Bruno Silva. But you can

1918
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 1: see his offense is fucking dynamic. I means super dyma.

1919
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 2: I mean he's going to get some highlight reel knockouts.

1920
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 2: I mean he he's the real deal in that regard.

1921
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 2: But I'm not like you don't want to say he.

1922
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,599
Speaker 1: Gets hit a little bit. He gets hit a little bit.

1923
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, he takes. There's some lulls too, Luke.

1924
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, again, those are things I think he is

1925
01:29:56,720 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 1: importing from an old style that is extreme good in

1926
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 1: the sport he came from, which is still quite good,

1927
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 1: but doesn't have the same level of significance and meaning. Also,

1928
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 1: I will say, though in defense of him, I thought,

1929
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, not that Bruno Silva was testing it to

1930
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 1: the max or some shit, but I thought that, like

1931
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 1: for what he had to show in terms of takedown

1932
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 1: defense and hand fighting and whatnot. Not bad, not bad

1933
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 1: at all. Right, I thought that was pretty fairy.

1934
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 2: That's definitely fair, Luca, as fair as me saying it

1935
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 2: out loud right now in our brotherhood historically, how people

1936
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 2: will look at it. Your little knock.

1937
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 1: Great? Does that mean I have less ct?

1938
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 2: Okay tell the truth? Mondays, okay, you know comes right

1939
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 2: after fucking Fridays. Yeah, there you go.

1940
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:47,200
Speaker 1: I mean Bignog had a better career, but big Knog,

1941
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 1: I mean people knocked him out a lot, you know.

1942
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 1: So there's that too, all right, although little not got

1943
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 1: knocked out a lot as well. All right from my

1944
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 1: co prime. Will Chris Muntino get another fight and will

1945
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 1: he replace Artema as what the goat?

1946
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 2: No?

1947
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 1: I don't think he's another place on him as the goat?

1948
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 1: B see Chris Putino, I I, dude, I appreciate how

1949
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:08,719
Speaker 1: fucking tough this kid is. Absurdly tough.

1950
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna see. We're gonna see footage shortly Luke

1951
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 2: of what I.

1952
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 1: Dude, dude, Guito Knetti was chambering a punch, visibly chambering

1953
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 1: and then holding it for a split second before firing,

1954
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 1: just so he could like make sure that thing landed

1955
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 1: with all the mustard that you know, fucking frenches can make.

1956
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 1: And it did. Like, dude, if someone is physically cocking

1957
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 1: a punch back and then waiting a beat to go

1958
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: and then landing clean, you know, uf the UFC fighter

1959
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 1: should be hit routinely with those, and he has hit

1960
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 1: routinely with those.

1961
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, mutinely in fact, Luke, Yes, I wish I

1962
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 2: wish him well, dude. He showed an incredible heart in

1963
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 2: that fight against O'Malley. But look, you know, yeah, we'll

1964
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 2: see what happens. You'll get another Yeah, he will get

1965
01:31:57,640 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 2: another chance, and I think he deserves another chance, Luke.

1966
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:01,719
Speaker 2: And then and I don't know if he lives past

1967
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 2: another chance though, if he doesn't turn this around.

1968
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't go too well. Nice one by Ghiddo knety,

1969
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 1: but that's it all right, last, but not least me. See,

1970
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 1: this is probably question I could handle more than you,

1971
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:14,600
Speaker 1: although you are certainly entering territory where you might have

1972
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 1: to answer it more than normal.

1973
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 2: My colon, Sarah, you're talking about my coland right now, Luke.

1974
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, at Besarah or or a bisarre atl or besarah TL.

1975
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 1: How do you get over people not liking you?

1976
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? I really.

1977
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,720
Speaker 1: Well. Usually when I see my family, I asked them

1978
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 1: to be nice to me. Yeah. Yeah, It's like, how

1979
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 1: do I ask my neighbors not to urinate on my lawn? I?

1980
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:48,760
Speaker 1: You know, you just do?

1981
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:53,680
Speaker 2: All right? You're not gonna feel that. Seriously, Luke, You're

1982
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 2: just gonna flip.

1983
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: How do you get over it? All right? Here's what

1984
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 1: you do. You have to ask okay, no, no, this

1985
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:00,720
Speaker 1: is very simple. Really, you have to ask yourself how

1986
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 1: much you would like to tolerate people not liking you.

1987
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 1: Some people can tolerate it a lot, some people relish it,

1988
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 1: some people dive headfirst into it. Some people get all

1989
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 1: the way away from it. First of all, you have

1990
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 1: to decide what you are comfortable with number one, and

1991
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 1: number two, you do need to reflect on to what

1992
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 1: extent what contributing factors you may be putting out into

1993
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: the world about why people don't and reflecting on that,

1994
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 1: and you might decide some of that needs tailoring and

1995
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 1: some of that doesn't. After that, you just live your

1996
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 1: life and if people like you in the way which

1997
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: you feel like, if you feel like you're being honest

1998
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 1: with the world and you feel like you're trying to

1999
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 1: be pleasant and you get results that more or less

2000
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 1: you're comfortable with. I don't I don't know what else

2001
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:42,600
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do. You see best practices?

2002
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 2: No, that that was genuine. I mean, obviously you can't

2003
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:48,599
Speaker 2: let it kill you. But but if it becomes a pattern, Yeah,

2004
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:50,760
Speaker 2: you got to figure out what causes that. And we

2005
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 2: all have our blind spots and look like we're all

2006
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,640
Speaker 2: we're all non self aware in a giant way in

2007
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 2: some in at least one category, right, I mean, you know,

2008
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 2: unless unless you're a robot, right, So, uh, you just

2009
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 2: got to figure out what causes that, Okay, Luke. I

2010
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 2: mean you know, I'm sure people look at me and go,

2011
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 2: look fairly successful guy probably in his day could have

2012
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 2: could have been in shape and good looking, you know,

2013
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 2: if you took better care of himself. But you know

2014
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:18,719
Speaker 2: they you can't see my liver on the outside, Luke,

2015
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 2: and all the gas station abuse I put on it,

2016
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, So they just they you know,

2017
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 2: they just assume I've got it all together. No, Luke,

2018
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 2: I've got emotional blind spots too. Look, I say bad

2019
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:31,719
Speaker 2: things on camera about my best friends while they're also

2020
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 2: on camera.

2021
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 1: Okay, yes you do, I'm sorry, thank you. You also

2022
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 1: do it when they're not on camera and they're on vacation,

2023
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 1: and then you bad mouth them and then ask the

2024
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 1: co hosts to ask them why your other co hosts

2025
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 1: previous show failed. I mean that's I caught that one

2026
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 1: by accident. I was like, Wow, they really had this

2027
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 1: discussion on there.

2028
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 2: You know, that was a test to see, I'm gonna

2029
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:57,680
Speaker 2: be honest with her, you're ready for this? Those were

2030
01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:01,600
Speaker 2: like Chewbacca tryouts. That was a test that I personally

2031
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 2: did and didn't tell Chuck about it or anybody else,

2032
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 2: to find out if Chuck was really about about it,

2033
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, And turned out he was Luke.

2034
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:11,760
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you know the answer is the answer is

2035
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:13,680
Speaker 1: at the end of one year with MMA Fighting, I

2036
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 1: was offered another year to do another show, or I

2037
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 1: shudn't do the same show, but do it for another year,

2038
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 1: And there wasn't a chance in hell I was ever

2039
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 1: going to do that ever. So, and by the way,

2040
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 1: they had greenlit this project, well not this project, but

2041
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 1: a similar kind of project, but then you know, we

2042
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 1: took our talents to South Beach, So there.

2043
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:33,599
Speaker 2: You go, all right, you're damn right, yeah we did.

2044
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 1: All right, BC. With that in mind, our talents South

2045
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 1: Beach are otherwise, we are put them to the side

2046
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: for now, well not all of them, because I want

2047
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 1: to see yours. Shit.

2048
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:45,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, you're not Chris Bosh in this Miami

2049
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 2: Heat super team. We're We're Lebron and Wade. That's what

2050
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:49,040
Speaker 2: you and I are.

2051
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I can live with that. I can

2052
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 1: live with that.

2053
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:53,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2054
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2055
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,719
Speaker 2: We scoured the globe for the good, the bad, the ugly,

2056
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,839
Speaker 2: the highs and lows, the in betweens, in combat sports,

2057
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:10,559
Speaker 2: and beyond this is Have you seen this? Oh god, Luke,

2058
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 2: have you seen what Khalil Roundtree Junior did at UFC

2059
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 2: Fight Night in Vegas when he was fucking Carl Robison up? Luke,

2060
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 2: good lord?

2061
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 1: This was watch how watch this? Help? Look the knee

2062
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:25,679
Speaker 1: throws him off. That was the part. He throws him off,

2063
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:28,759
Speaker 1: you know, and then of course these other punches to resist.

2064
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 1: But it's like that kick the knee as he gets

2065
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:33,519
Speaker 1: up the stomp. Look at him, See how he just

2066
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:36,680
Speaker 1: he's twisting him like a tornado left to right and

2067
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 1: up and down. And it's so it's when hardcore MMA

2068
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 1: fans take a step back and go, wow, that was

2069
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 1: extremely violent. You are summoning heavy offensive forces in what

2070
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:49,000
Speaker 1: you're doing.

2071
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:52,759
Speaker 2: Tru or false. That was the most bad shit violent

2072
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 2: UFC moments since Dan Henderson finishing Hector Lombard at UFC

2073
01:36:56,120 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 2: one ninety nine.

2074
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 1: False. But it's up there. It's up there.

2075
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:06,639
Speaker 2: It's it's not I mean, it's not quite bisping Hendo one,

2076
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 2: but it's up there. Luke, all right, uh pa data, Luke,

2077
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 2: Alex Padeda got that victory over Bruno Silva. Love it

2078
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 2: or hate it? But Luke, what is this walk he does?

2079
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 2: What do you call this? The strut? On his way

2080
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:22,720
Speaker 2: to the damn cage? He did it the whole walk.

2081
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:28,559
Speaker 1: I don't know. Aren't the kids all doing some dumb

2082
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:30,800
Speaker 1: shit called the gritty? I don't think this is Look,

2083
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2084
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:32,880
Speaker 2: Is he walking me into my truck?

2085
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 1: What are you?

2086
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 2: Like? Where's he going?

2087
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 1: Like?

2088
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 2: Who walks like that? I don't get it, Luke?

2089
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:39,599
Speaker 1: Is he walking you to why would he be walking

2090
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 1: you to your truck? Be se? I don't know.

2091
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:43,840
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna blow him. I mean, this is ridiculous, Luke,

2092
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, I don't know. Let's go on

2093
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 2: to the next one, all right, before we get shut down. Uh, Luke,

2094
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 2: you mentioned Guido Kennetti. Uh, put it on Alex Mautino.

2095
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:55,680
Speaker 2: This is the gruesome footage to prove that that it

2096
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 2: actually happened.

2097
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:59,200
Speaker 1: This is wad. I mean, he's just getting hitcked. Dude.

2098
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:01,880
Speaker 1: When do you ever see UFC fighters get hit clean

2099
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 1: like this?

2100
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well to watch.

2101
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:08,559
Speaker 1: He's gonna watch. He's gonna throw him here that one, Luke.

2102
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 1: Shades of these lefts he's cocking back.

2103
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 2: Shades of Nunez Rousey or what?

2104
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? A little bit? Yes, yeah, good call. Actually felt

2105
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 1: like that a little bit. Yes, yeah, man.

2106
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:23,759
Speaker 2: We're just bringing it on Mondays all right, Luke. Also,

2107
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:27,919
Speaker 2: you saw the opening about light heavyweight Ozamah Murza Khanoff.

2108
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 2: Where do you get this flying knee from against taff On? God, Luke,

2109
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 2: I know says that, and you know, I know I

2110
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:41,560
Speaker 2: butchered that, but it's really it's about Ozama, Luke. Is

2111
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 2: this guy someone we should watch or was this just

2112
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 2: one shining moment?

2113
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 1: Well? And Chuki was the guy I was shouting on Friday.

2114
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 1: He trains over here at Camp Springs, Maryland. He and

2115
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:51,960
Speaker 1: he was winning this whole thing, dude. The previous round

2116
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 1: I think was a ten to eight, and then he

2117
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 1: came out and then just did this. I think he

2118
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:59,320
Speaker 1: had seen and Chuqui was dipping to a certain side

2119
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:00,960
Speaker 1: and if you watch, she comes at an angle and

2120
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 1: he puts his hands like this, and then Chooky goes

2121
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 1: the other way, which was all he was designed, or

2122
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 1: the opposite way anyway, and it is all designed to

2123
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 1: make his head go that way, and then he forces

2124
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 1: the knee on him. So it was set up, it

2125
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 1: was planned, but it just shows you an mma, man,

2126
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:17,439
Speaker 1: it's so efing chaotic. Yeah.

2127
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:22,240
Speaker 2: Indeed, Bellator two seven five from Saint Louis Luke Matt's Burnell.

2128
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 2: I do give him credit for this mid exchange with

2129
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,400
Speaker 2: one Adam Borich rocking the robot?

2130
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 1: Luke, why did we kiss that round? Though?

2131
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you're right, You're right, so so in

2132
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 2: reality what are we doing here? But I enjoyed it though, Okay, yeah.

2133
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:37,639
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, don't get me wrong. Matt's Burnell turned

2134
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 1: in the hell of a performance. And if you can't win,

2135
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 1: you might as well go out there and dance. So

2136
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at him, but in real time, I

2137
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:46,839
Speaker 1: was like, bro, you're not winning this round. Less robot,

2138
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:48,160
Speaker 1: more punchy Kiki.

2139
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 2: You know, Luke Evan Lenn We're at it again. And

2140
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:55,599
Speaker 2: here's Johnny's strong call out post fight. After his victory

2141
01:39:55,600 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 2: over John Salter, Musaci said he didn't know who I was.

2142
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:03,880
Speaker 2: I'm right here, dog, I'm ready to take your ass out,

2143
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 2: your old ass lion. I'm a young ass lion. Let's

2144
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 2: get up in here. Let's make that fight happen. He

2145
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:14,760
Speaker 2: bored a line called Musasia, bitch there, Luke. I love that.

2146
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:15,839
Speaker 2: I love that spirit.

2147
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:19,439
Speaker 1: What are we two old ass hyenas? Is that what

2148
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:21,160
Speaker 1: we are? Luke?

2149
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:23,920
Speaker 2: I'm just a lion. I was once a young lion

2150
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 2: and now just still a lion right now.

2151
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:28,639
Speaker 1: Look, okay, you're an ass lion. I'm a young ass lion.

2152
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:30,879
Speaker 1: We're ass lions. What are ass lions?

2153
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 2: Oh? I've seen a few of those, I'm sure. Uh Luke,

2154
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 2: Uh did you.

2155
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 1: See him in that Montreal strip club you went to?

2156
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:38,320
Speaker 1: You fucking degenerate?

2157
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:40,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, that there's wow.

2158
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:41,400
Speaker 1: I don't.

2159
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:43,840
Speaker 2: I don't like to glorify those days at all, Luke. Okay,

2160
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 2: you do offline, Luke, I told you the BC Super

2161
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 2: Sloppy Special was gonna be easy. Polize and Jose Augusto

2162
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:57,639
Speaker 2: and that prelim featured bout and boy did that deliver.

2163
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:01,920
Speaker 2: As Polize Luke was nearly stopped in this wild flight.

2164
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:06,320
Speaker 2: How the hell did he absorb this? Look he goes

2165
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 2: on to win by submission in a wild finish. But

2166
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 2: that's like Anderson Silva Michael Bissbing right there, dude, Come.

2167
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:14,920
Speaker 1: On, I mean, this is what I mean when it's like,

2168
01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:16,840
Speaker 1: you know you want to do this ship. Dude, the

2169
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 1: guy who gets his knee face caved in there, or

2170
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:21,360
Speaker 1: his face caved in with a knee, he wins the

2171
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 1: as you indicated, He wins the contest. Look what he

2172
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 1: had to do early in this fight. Look what he

2173
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:30,599
Speaker 1: had to go through. Who wants to do that and

2174
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:32,000
Speaker 1: then keep fighting?

2175
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 2: Fuck that man, Michael Bibing. That's about it, Luke.

2176
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 1: That's about it. It's about it.

2177
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 2: And by the way, dude, there's other wild moments I

2178
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,599
Speaker 2: could have put in this. Remember when Augusto got on

2179
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 2: Polisi's back, and they were doing like a reverse sixty

2180
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 2: nine and then he almost you know, dumped him on

2181
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:49,000
Speaker 2: his head and had that side slam. Dude, that was

2182
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:50,639
Speaker 2: some some wild ship, Luke.

2183
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:58,680
Speaker 1: People standing up or a ninety six? Wouldn't it be

2184
01:41:58,680 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 1: a ninety six?

2185
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:02,080
Speaker 2: I guess it's ninety six. Well did you just invent that?

2186
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:03,960
Speaker 2: Or should I check Urban Dictionary?

2187
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:06,040
Speaker 1: No? No, I swear to god. I mean I'm asking

2188
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:10,120
Speaker 1: questions like, what is an upside down sixty nine? It's no,

2189
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:12,400
Speaker 1: Like I guess it's a ninety six. Yeah, sort of

2190
01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:14,360
Speaker 1: kind of. I don't even know right.

2191
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:17,200
Speaker 2: I think Belato should their featured prelim should be a

2192
01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:19,839
Speaker 2: part of the wild Chit Division and just throw fighters

2193
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 2: in there that are, you know, relatively close and wait,

2194
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 2: Luke Welterwait. Roman Ferrado improved to seven and zero with

2195
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:31,639
Speaker 2: seven knockouts by Javin Kelvin Rayford to the bottom shelf there, Luke.

2196
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, dude, Bellatore has a winner with this guy.

2197
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:36,960
Speaker 1: He I don't know how far he's gonna go. Dude,

2198
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:39,599
Speaker 1: he is, you know what I'm talking about. BC. When

2199
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:41,639
Speaker 1: these fighters were like, you know, they're good, you don't

2200
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 1: know exactly how good they are yet, because they're in

2201
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:46,840
Speaker 1: many ways kind of untested. But what you do know

2202
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:50,120
Speaker 1: is who's the guy you're gonna point to on the roster.

2203
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:56,200
Speaker 1: We need excitement, we need somebody who delivers fight ending action,

2204
01:42:56,520 --> 01:43:00,840
Speaker 1: fight ending power, yes, but just really has the offensive

2205
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, dynamism to him. That guy that's the one

2206
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:06,960
Speaker 1: you call every time.

2207
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:12,480
Speaker 2: This guy's becoming must watch quickly, Luke. Despite your misgivings

2208
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 2: and mistrust, I'm here to report that Jesus still saves.

2209
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 2: I mean that both seriously and in the context of

2210
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 2: this tweet from Helen Ye Luke that says Diego Sanchez

2211
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:29,520
Speaker 2: said Jesus Christ saved him from Joshua Fabia. Thank god, Luke, right,

2212
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 2: you know, yeah.

2213
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:33,800
Speaker 1: People believe lots of strange things.

2214
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:37,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm happy to report that dues to

2215
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 2: the world, Luke. And by the way, how shout out

2216
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:41,439
Speaker 2: to Helen Ye on her swimming hopes and in the

2217
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 2: career change. There big support, Luke. And I think the

2218
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,719
Speaker 2: SCHMO just turned thirty two, Luke. I think I saw

2219
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:47,919
Speaker 2: that on the old ig.

2220
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:50,080
Speaker 1: All right, Jos Demo, Happy birthday.

2221
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,759
Speaker 2: He's far from being the old bitch you are, Luke.

2222
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:55,360
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, well, at thirty two, I was probably still

2223
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 1: an old bitch. But I'm like, yes, you know, Luke,

2224
01:43:58,479 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 1: here's the proof.

2225
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 2: Interest here's the proof that Leewood Michael Conlin was as

2226
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:05,280
Speaker 2: insane as we said it was. But here look, here's

2227
01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:08,440
Speaker 2: that end of the first round knockdown on this beautiful

2228
01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:09,639
Speaker 2: looping left from Conlin.

2229
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he faints low to the body and then comes

2230
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:15,599
Speaker 1: over the top like that. I mean, yeah, and.

2231
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 2: He hit that same shot like three more times.

2232
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, he hit that shot three? How about thirty three?

2233
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 2: No, but I mean there are a couple of times

2234
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 2: with some pop on it, not to that level, but

2235
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 2: I mean, look, that came right through the guard. He

2236
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:30,880
Speaker 2: couldn't even see it coming. And then here's the ringside

2237
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:34,800
Speaker 2: view of this now iconic knockout loop. Let's remind people

2238
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:39,680
Speaker 2: round twelve Leewood down on the scorecards, and this is

2239
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:40,680
Speaker 2: how he finished it.

2240
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:47,920
Speaker 1: Colin's going to back up to the ropes here. See

2241
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:51,120
Speaker 1: this like evasive style. He's covering there, but like the

2242
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 1: head movement thing he's gonna like that. He just ducks

2243
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:55,240
Speaker 1: right into it.

2244
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:57,880
Speaker 2: Boom, And I know it doesn't look like much. You

2245
01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:00,160
Speaker 2: have to watch the replay a couple times, then you realize, oh,

2246
01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:03,400
Speaker 2: he hit that like directly on the on the on

2247
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:07,799
Speaker 2: the reset button. Yeah, like like, holy crap, that's short

2248
01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:12,439
Speaker 2: and powerful. Damn some like Rocky Marciano. Ship there, Luke.

2249
01:45:12,520 --> 01:45:12,960
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

2250
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:14,519
Speaker 1: That's like and a lot of times if you notice

2251
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:17,559
Speaker 1: he was doing the pac Pacio does this whenever he blocks,

2252
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:20,840
Speaker 1: typically punches from that side, he'll put the glove up

2253
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:22,760
Speaker 1: and then kind of turn into it like this, he'll roll.

2254
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:24,479
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of boxers do, but Pacio sort

2255
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:26,760
Speaker 1: a famous for it. He tries to do that with

2256
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:28,240
Speaker 1: one of them, but then the other one he just

2257
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:30,600
Speaker 1: goes right in two and gets drilled. You know.

2258
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:35,560
Speaker 2: Damn uh Luke From three years ago, Morob Davala shillis

2259
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 2: sharing on his ig. You said he's a hammer, Luke,

2260
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:40,160
Speaker 2: but he used to be a carpenter by trade. Look

2261
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 2: at this. Look at this, Luke.

2262
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 1: That's one way to take out drywall. This is this

2263
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:47,600
Speaker 1: is me before m K.

2264
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:52,559
Speaker 2: To the porcelain and the in the toilet, Luke. Is

2265
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:53,320
Speaker 2: that where you're going with that?

2266
01:45:53,439 --> 01:45:55,920
Speaker 1: No, just screaming and ranting in my room about how

2267
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 1: I can't find anything because I'm old and pathetic, Luke,

2268
01:45:59,200 --> 01:45:59,439
Speaker 1: let me.

2269
01:45:59,439 --> 01:46:02,080
Speaker 2: Set up the next clip. So Carl Frampton is of

2270
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:05,680
Speaker 2: course the retired former Great Champion from Northern Ireland and

2271
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 2: now does some analysts work and what have you? He

2272
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:10,840
Speaker 2: said on the air, Luke that if Jake Paul fought

2273
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:14,800
Speaker 2: Tommy Fury, that Paul would win by knockout. But Luke,

2274
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:17,840
Speaker 2: just like your public avoidance in telling the truth about

2275
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:22,840
Speaker 2: Little nog per possible future reparations, the Fury family keeps

2276
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:26,559
Speaker 2: receipts Luke and Tyson Fury's dad, Old Big John, caught

2277
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:39,519
Speaker 2: up with Carl in public. Here's the result, Lork.

2278
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:41,559
Speaker 1: You think you can beat Tommy though, I'm to the

2279
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:45,400
Speaker 1: question that because you can disappoint me and I looked

2280
01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:54,680
Speaker 1: up to you only only say I'm trying to talk

2281
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:57,639
Speaker 1: to you. You don't want to talk to you, will

2282
01:46:57,680 --> 01:47:05,759
Speaker 1: talk off the joke? Wait, what do he say?

2283
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 2: Get your facts right or get off the job. And

2284
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 2: if you don't think John was ready willing and able

2285
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:13,840
Speaker 2: to throw down right there despite their size difference, Luke,

2286
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:16,679
Speaker 2: or if he was the smaller one, John Fury, as

2287
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:18,519
Speaker 2: he tells the world, Luke is willing to fight any

2288
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 2: man bare knuckle right now for all the money he has, Like, like, right.

2289
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 1: Now, I believe him. I want to believe him.

2290
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:28,960
Speaker 2: Remember that time Tyson furrehimp the phone on me because

2291
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:32,160
Speaker 2: I referenced that Big John got put away a few

2292
01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:34,559
Speaker 2: years back for removing a guy's eyeball in a bar fight.

2293
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:37,599
Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah, see all of your getting sent to Hell's

2294
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:40,400
Speaker 1: happened on your podcast, which people may are probably more

2295
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:43,360
Speaker 1: likely may not have heard. But the reality is it

2296
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 1: does happen. Get you get flushed quite quite a few times.

2297
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:49,639
Speaker 2: And one day I'll be that Carl Frampton right there, Luke, Okay,

2298
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:52,599
Speaker 2: looking up at Big John, like yep, I said that shit.

2299
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:54,160
Speaker 2: You want to know why because it's on it, because

2300
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:55,599
Speaker 2: it's the truth and that's what we do on.

2301
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:57,599
Speaker 1: Was he mad at him because Frampton said he could

2302
01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:58,519
Speaker 1: beat Tommy Fury?

2303
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:02,840
Speaker 2: Frampton said, Jake Paul would knock Tommy Fury out.

2304
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:07,000
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well that's that's more of a controversial claim,

2305
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 1: I thought, Carl, because it's like, dude, Carl Frampton, would

2306
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, beat the fuck out of Tommy Fury? I

2307
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:14,839
Speaker 1: would imagine, right.

2308
01:48:15,479 --> 01:48:18,360
Speaker 2: I mean, that's an incredible size difference, that's like one

2309
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:22,760
Speaker 2: versus one ninety then but yeah, yeah, you're probably right.

2310
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:25,800
Speaker 2: You're probably right, Luke. Luke. If it's hard to do,

2311
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:28,880
Speaker 2: trust falls if you don't have any friends, Luke, so

2312
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:33,400
Speaker 2: maybe you maybe maybe your friends are garbage. But Luke,

2313
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:36,599
Speaker 2: you can still use garbage to perfect the act if

2314
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:36,960
Speaker 2: you want.

2315
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:42,080
Speaker 1: No wonder these people are unionizing. I mean, can you

2316
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:44,559
Speaker 1: imagine having to do all this shit and deal with customers?

2317
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:46,439
Speaker 1: And dude, let me tell you know who the worst

2318
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:49,719
Speaker 1: Starbucks customers are. I'm gonna get on a rantou ladies

2319
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:53,000
Speaker 1: out there, Yo. If you drive a mini van and

2320
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:55,280
Speaker 1: you live in a if you live in a suburb,

2321
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:58,600
Speaker 1: you're the You're worse than Osama bin Laden. At Starbucks,

2322
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:01,040
Speaker 1: you understand that you're the war first person on Earth

2323
01:49:01,160 --> 01:49:05,040
Speaker 1: because you fucking house sprows. You get in line and

2324
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:09,799
Speaker 1: you order. Can I have seven Splenda shaking on the side,

2325
01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:13,200
Speaker 1: A little bit of whip cream, seven pump upside down

2326
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:18,040
Speaker 1: white flat Oreo Moka Chino with the sprinkles? Bitch? Is

2327
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 1: there coffee in there somewhere or did you come here

2328
01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:25,120
Speaker 1: to get sugar shot into your fucking eyeballs? What are

2329
01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:27,880
Speaker 1: you doing? No one can follow your fucking order? Can

2330
01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:29,599
Speaker 1: I have a black coffee. Oh look at me, Look

2331
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:31,760
Speaker 1: at me, how fast I am at the register so

2332
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:35,760
Speaker 1: other people can get their fucking coffee. Stop going to

2333
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:39,759
Speaker 1: Starbucks thinking it's basking Robbins and my baby. Maybe walk

2334
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:42,640
Speaker 1: to the fucking Starbucks. How about that. Get out of

2335
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:45,559
Speaker 1: your fucking dodge. Whatever the fuck that you carry a

2336
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:48,559
Speaker 1: billion kids in, all of them who probably have fucking

2337
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:51,960
Speaker 1: snot nose. Fuck all your kids, and fuck you lady.

2338
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:54,479
Speaker 1: And when you go to Vegas, you stand in the

2339
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:57,559
Speaker 1: line and you make people like me who just want

2340
01:49:57,560 --> 01:49:59,680
Speaker 1: black coffee. I have to sit there and wait for

2341
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:03,679
Speaker 1: you to our articulate your suburban fucking sugar order. Fuck

2342
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:10,160
Speaker 1: you ladies, Fuck you. How about that? Wow?

2343
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:13,920
Speaker 2: Wow, mountains just came to you. Stand up next to

2344
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 2: a mountain and you chop it down with the edge

2345
01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 2: of your hand. Yeah, Luke, That's what I'm talking about.

2346
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:21,240
Speaker 2: Botch Wow, Who.

2347
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 1: Tell me I'm wrong? How many times have you been

2348
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:27,920
Speaker 1: in Vegas and there's some lady, you know, let he

2349
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:30,720
Speaker 1: who is without saying, throw the cast let he, let's

2350
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:33,200
Speaker 1: sin cast the first stone. What all that? You overweight?

2351
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:38,559
Speaker 1: They're all overweight, and they all order no coffee, just sugar.

2352
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:41,040
Speaker 1: It drives me fucking insane.

2353
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:42,960
Speaker 2: Luke, Is it true that you like your coffee how

2354
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:43,719
Speaker 2: you like your women?

2355
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:51,719
Speaker 1: I can neither confirm nor deny these rumors.

2356
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:54,719
Speaker 2: All right, Uh hey, Luke, life comes at you fast.

2357
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes it comes at you fast and furious.

2358
01:50:58,960 --> 01:51:02,280
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, that was pretty cool for losers.

2359
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:04,600
Speaker 2: Okay, is this a trick or was this? Look what

2360
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:06,960
Speaker 2: happened here, Luke, I don't think these people are signing up.

2361
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:11,800
Speaker 1: Definitely a trick. Definitely for Instagram. Uh, they'll probably be

2362
01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:16,600
Speaker 1: dead in a week. But and they definitely were not

2363
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:21,439
Speaker 1: you know, uh valedictorians of their high school class of this,

2364
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:25,200
Speaker 1: we can be sure. But otherwise it's pretty cool, Luke.

2365
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:27,719
Speaker 2: Let's play a game called which food would you least

2366
01:51:28,120 --> 01:51:31,479
Speaker 2: rather try? I'll have two options. Here's the first one, Luke.

2367
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:37,559
Speaker 2: They call it common coffee.

2368
01:51:38,360 --> 01:51:40,960
Speaker 1: Dude. People aren't sad. What the fuck is this?

2369
01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 2: But they're not actually putting coffee? And if you botch

2370
01:51:45,320 --> 01:51:49,479
Speaker 2: it closely, did they just reinvent the wheel here?

2371
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:54,400
Speaker 1: I don't think people understand what food is.

2372
01:51:56,680 --> 01:51:58,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't look good, but.

2373
01:51:58,479 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 1: This looks like my toilet bowl.

2374
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:05,720
Speaker 2: But but it is it effective? In the end? Okay, Luke,

2375
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:06,759
Speaker 2: here's your second option.

2376
01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:12,840
Speaker 1: All right? All right, dude, that top rominus currency in

2377
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:21,960
Speaker 1: the in the poke. Can you go gittle sour chicken? Yeah,

2378
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:24,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the buffet genital soal chicken to

2379
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:26,400
Speaker 1: be To be honest with you.

2380
01:52:26,439 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 2: Dude, I would at least I try that at least

2381
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:30,960
Speaker 2: once genital sou chicken, no question about it, Luke.

2382
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:33,240
Speaker 1: I mean wow, is that like is that like is

2383
01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 1: that like Rocky Mountain Oysters where they just called out

2384
01:52:35,560 --> 01:52:36,719
Speaker 1: you're eating someone's testicle?

2385
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yes, yes, And I mean why why do I

2386
01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:43,880
Speaker 2: envision one day that's an MK doc bit that we're

2387
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:46,760
Speaker 2: like covering a fight in Laramie, Wyoming. You know what

2388
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:47,200
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

2389
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, they're saying you skipped the number eleven.

2390
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:52,519
Speaker 2: I did skip it, all right, Let's go to number

2391
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:55,880
Speaker 2: ten though, number ten, Luke, this video has made the

2392
01:52:55,960 --> 01:52:58,479
Speaker 2: rounds and then some Have you seen this referee rolling

2393
01:52:58,479 --> 01:52:59,400
Speaker 2: thunder both cheeses.

2394
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:01,840
Speaker 1: These must these must be amateurs, right because they have

2395
01:53:01,880 --> 01:53:02,920
Speaker 1: the shin guards and everything.

2396
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:08,280
Speaker 2: This is the imma F Super Cup semi finals, and

2397
01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:12,960
Speaker 2: referee Scott Marhart not only takes a rolling thunder flush Luke,

2398
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:16,040
Speaker 2: he got knocked out and finished the fight.

2399
01:53:16,280 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 1: Luke, Oh shit.

2400
01:53:19,439 --> 01:53:22,240
Speaker 2: We don't get the fro video, but he was like, days,

2401
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:23,080
Speaker 2: let me ask you a question.

2402
01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:25,439
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Don't the refereesily whatever

2403
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:27,400
Speaker 1: they call him in hockey they have to wear the

2404
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:32,599
Speaker 1: helmets and the visors and shit too, right, yes, yes, Now, granted,

2405
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:35,000
Speaker 1: the puck is flying, the sticks are flying, grown men

2406
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:37,479
Speaker 1: are flying. It's a little bit different. I feel like,

2407
01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:40,880
Speaker 1: if you're going to be a referee in an amateur fight,

2408
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:44,280
Speaker 1: you might want a hockey. You might want a hockey helmet.

2409
01:53:45,160 --> 01:53:47,120
Speaker 2: I think he's still getting KO'ed with a hockey helmet on.

2410
01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:49,519
Speaker 2: I mean that was pretty flush. Wow.

2411
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:52,320
Speaker 1: Alright, alright still, Luke, I just want to.

2412
01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:54,120
Speaker 2: Let you know that if I ever accept your offer

2413
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:57,920
Speaker 2: to go to a Cannibal Corpse concert for documentary filming only,

2414
01:53:58,040 --> 01:54:01,439
Speaker 2: this is the car I'm gonna drive to the venue. Luke,

2415
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:08,559
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

2416
01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:11,040
Speaker 1: Okay, dude, there's a there's a church. There's a church

2417
01:54:11,120 --> 01:54:13,760
Speaker 1: near my house and they've had it since I moved

2418
01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:17,160
Speaker 1: here in two thousand and four. They have a giant

2419
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:19,680
Speaker 1: sign and it's not moved at all. It's been there

2420
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:21,800
Speaker 1: for However, many years at this point and it just

2421
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:24,080
Speaker 1: says all centers welcome. I mean, you think about it

2422
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:26,160
Speaker 1: that it's a very Christian message, right also, but then

2423
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:28,320
Speaker 1: when you start to think of like all sinners, you're

2424
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:31,040
Speaker 1: like Bill Cosby, like Bill Cosby's welcome.

2425
01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:33,520
Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow, wow.

2426
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

2427
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:38,760
Speaker 2: I watched some documentary all of them, really all of them?

2428
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2429
01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, war machine, Luke? Now come on, I mean, come on, Luke.

2430
01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:44,960
Speaker 1: All right, I mean, what are we doing, Luke?

2431
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:47,480
Speaker 2: I'd say this is a pretty good rule to live by.

2432
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:58,720
Speaker 2: This next one. Okay, I guess we'll move on, Luke.

2433
01:54:58,760 --> 01:54:59,560
Speaker 2: What's scarier?

2434
01:54:59,680 --> 01:55:03,960
Speaker 1: Why? Why are you the way you are? Luke?

2435
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:09,880
Speaker 2: What is scarier? Parasailing or skydiving? What's a scarier thought?

2436
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:14,440
Speaker 1: Oh? I have seen some disastrous parasailing. I have a

2437
01:55:14,440 --> 01:55:15,440
Speaker 1: feeling we're going to see some.

2438
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the correct answer is how about both, Luke.

2439
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:23,520
Speaker 1: At the same time, these guys, these guys think they're

2440
01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:27,320
Speaker 1: the right brothers. Aren't even the Marx brothers.

2441
01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:31,200
Speaker 2: Oh you know, he fell into like, you know, two

2442
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:32,080
Speaker 2: inch deep water?

2443
01:55:32,280 --> 01:55:41,160
Speaker 1: Good lord face face first watch this. Oh you know what,

2444
01:55:43,400 --> 01:55:43,680
Speaker 1: this guy.

2445
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:47,400
Speaker 2: I'm just happy we got that past the quality inspectors, Luke,

2446
01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:49,720
Speaker 2: who one time wouldn't let me show that circus performer

2447
01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:51,200
Speaker 2: get killed by the like.

2448
01:55:51,200 --> 01:55:55,080
Speaker 1: I want to show death, all right, Luke, Tom.

2449
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:58,760
Speaker 2: For some football fails. Uh. I think the play was

2450
01:55:59,320 --> 01:56:05,000
Speaker 2: out patterned and cut left here, Luke, or maybe we'll

2451
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:08,480
Speaker 2: just call it lights out?

2452
01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:14,720
Speaker 1: Oh shit, Yike, scho Bob Bob could move.

2453
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a good, good breakaway move. But no, wow, wow,

2454
01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:24,680
Speaker 2: there was Steve Atwater waiting for him, Luke. Yeah, remember

2455
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:27,240
Speaker 2: when Steve Atwater stood up a cooy a and dropped

2456
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:29,320
Speaker 2: him with that like forearm. Dude, that was like the

2457
01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:31,200
Speaker 2: manliest moment ever.

2458
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:36,840
Speaker 1: I don't think it was the manliest moment ever, Luke.

2459
01:56:36,920 --> 01:56:39,560
Speaker 2: I got one more football play for you.

2460
01:56:39,640 --> 01:56:40,240
Speaker 1: Let me see it.

2461
01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:42,960
Speaker 2: I think they call this the hail Mary. It's just

2462
01:56:43,240 --> 01:56:45,400
Speaker 2: it's the Jesuit juke for six, Luke.

2463
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:50,840
Speaker 1: Oh shit, this friar had let me see that again. Okay,

2464
01:56:50,840 --> 01:56:52,600
Speaker 1: here he is. Well he had a lead on him too.

2465
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:56,640
Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, that's great stuff right there.

2466
01:56:57,000 --> 01:56:57,760
Speaker 1: That is great.

2467
01:56:58,120 --> 01:56:58,600
Speaker 2: Notre dame.

2468
01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:00,480
Speaker 1: I'd like to make a joke, but you'd get real mad,

2469
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:02,000
Speaker 1: so you're damn right. I would.

2470
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:03,520
Speaker 2: Okay, if it has anything to do with I want

2471
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:04,400
Speaker 2: I want.

2472
01:57:04,200 --> 01:57:05,840
Speaker 1: You to I want you to know it's in here,

2473
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:07,440
Speaker 1: right here, and I'm replaying it over.

2474
01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:11,880
Speaker 2: All, right, Luke. Luckily for our listeners, it's America's favorite

2475
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:14,840
Speaker 2: game show time rate my tat Luke, we had an

2476
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:18,600
Speaker 2: awful Bruce Buffer tat two weeks ago. Do you like

2477
01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:19,520
Speaker 2: this one any better?

2478
01:57:28,520 --> 01:57:32,960
Speaker 1: Um? He he looks like Joey Buttafuco. People even know

2479
01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:33,480
Speaker 1: who that is.

2480
01:57:35,880 --> 01:57:38,120
Speaker 2: He loved him a long island Lolito, Luke.

2481
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:40,720
Speaker 1: No, I don't love this. I mean, dude. The saturation

2482
01:57:41,080 --> 01:57:44,360
Speaker 1: on the on, the on, the red circle behind is

2483
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:50,320
Speaker 1: not great. The UFC lettering is not great. The faces

2484
01:57:51,600 --> 01:57:53,880
Speaker 1: look do you think it's not It's not great. Yeah.

2485
01:57:53,960 --> 01:57:56,560
Speaker 2: Do you think the actions of Joey Buttafuco's wife were

2486
01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:59,880
Speaker 2: it was understandable relatable.

2487
01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:01,920
Speaker 1: When she stabbed some chicken in the head.

2488
01:58:02,120 --> 01:58:04,160
Speaker 2: She tried to shoot Amy Fisher.

2489
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:07,600
Speaker 1: Right, oh, Ammy Fisher? That's right? Yeah. Who's the one

2490
01:58:07,640 --> 01:58:09,320
Speaker 1: who got stabbed in the head. I don't even remember,

2491
01:58:09,400 --> 01:58:10,520
Speaker 1: but not.

2492
01:58:10,600 --> 01:58:12,960
Speaker 2: John Wayne Bob at Luke. He took it. He took

2493
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:14,600
Speaker 2: it down downstairs, Luke.

2494
01:58:15,680 --> 01:58:18,360
Speaker 1: Yes he did. These are all early nineties references that

2495
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:20,800
Speaker 1: our audience probably has no fucking clue what that.

2496
01:58:20,840 --> 01:58:23,120
Speaker 2: Al Right, Hey, back to the tattoo game, Luke, rate

2497
01:58:23,200 --> 01:58:24,680
Speaker 2: this UFC related.

2498
01:58:24,360 --> 01:58:32,160
Speaker 1: Tatt that can't be That's not a real tattoo, is it?

2499
01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:34,000
Speaker 2: I think it is, Luke, I think it is.

2500
01:58:36,160 --> 01:58:40,920
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean, I've got I don't know what people

2501
01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:42,680
Speaker 1: are doing with their money.

2502
01:58:43,320 --> 01:58:47,520
Speaker 2: I mean this make mister Hebos come off pretty good, right, Luke?

2503
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? Let me let me yeah much better. Let me

2504
01:58:49,240 --> 01:58:53,800
Speaker 1: explain something. Tattoos don't need to be expensive, per se. Like,

2505
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:56,080
Speaker 1: you don't have to spend one thousand dollars on a tattoo.

2506
01:58:56,720 --> 01:59:00,880
Speaker 1: But if a tattoo costs, let's say, three hundred, don't

2507
01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:04,040
Speaker 1: think you're getting a deal for a hundred. You're getting

2508
01:59:04,160 --> 01:59:08,240
Speaker 1: a much lower quality tattoo. Trust me, don't cheap out on.

2509
01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:11,160
Speaker 2: Them, all right, I believe you.

2510
01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:13,840
Speaker 1: This is the last general rule. As a general rule,

2511
01:59:13,880 --> 01:59:15,480
Speaker 1: it should be about one hundred and fifty an hour

2512
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:17,320
Speaker 1: for a tattoo as a general rule.

2513
01:59:17,560 --> 01:59:19,880
Speaker 2: Luke, this last tattoo is a little bit more aggressive.

2514
01:59:19,920 --> 01:59:22,160
Speaker 2: But what are your thoughts on the idea of it?

2515
01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:25,680
Speaker 2: The positioning I saw this one. This guy is so

2516
01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:28,280
Speaker 2: fucking gross looking at this town.

2517
01:59:31,200 --> 01:59:33,280
Speaker 1: This guy. These are the people that just end up

2518
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:35,640
Speaker 1: on the street dead. You're just not sure how a

2519
01:59:36,280 --> 01:59:39,000
Speaker 1: wo wow, it's like did the organ shut down?

2520
01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, you know the.

2521
01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:43,960
Speaker 1: Fact that the dude's got no teeth is the best

2522
01:59:43,960 --> 01:59:47,640
Speaker 1: part of it. Yeah, he's all proud. He's like, bro,

2523
01:59:47,720 --> 01:59:49,920
Speaker 1: I got no teeth and I got a coach. Right here.

2524
01:59:53,400 --> 01:59:55,960
Speaker 2: We close with one Luke that I've gotten so many

2525
01:59:56,040 --> 01:59:58,360
Speaker 2: requests to show this. It's a few weeks late, but

2526
01:59:59,080 --> 02:00:03,200
Speaker 2: did you see this Regional kickboxing showtime Pettis attempt hair?

2527
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:09,320
Speaker 1: Luke? Is this you and me?

2528
02:00:10,840 --> 02:00:16,120
Speaker 2: Pretty much? Yeah? Dude, if I would do nothing but

2529
02:00:16,240 --> 02:00:18,280
Speaker 2: video game moves on you if we fought Lucan?

2530
02:00:18,360 --> 02:00:22,280
Speaker 1: And also, also, why is uh why is h two

2531
02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:30,080
Speaker 1: thousand and two triple H refinus match? I got that one, right,

2532
02:00:30,120 --> 02:00:31,840
Speaker 1: that's a good one, right, I got that one.

2533
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:34,640
Speaker 2: I got that one.

2534
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:38,920
Speaker 1: Well. That motherfucker's got a bigger ponytail than any thorough

2535
02:00:38,960 --> 02:00:43,440
Speaker 1: red horse you've ever seen. Look at that thing. Wow, fuck,

2536
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:45,080
Speaker 1: how outdated my hairstyle is.

2537
02:00:45,480 --> 02:00:46,680
Speaker 2: That's the ship this week.

2538
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:50,720
Speaker 1: Look. I keep telling y'all, I keep telling y'all, you

2539
02:00:50,920 --> 02:00:55,320
Speaker 1: gotta go to Regional MMA. You don't understand MMA until

2540
02:00:55,320 --> 02:00:58,000
Speaker 1: you've seen that side of it, because that's frankly the

2541
02:00:58,040 --> 02:01:00,400
Speaker 1: real side of it. The UF seen the belt and

2542
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:02,360
Speaker 1: all the shit we talk about is least semi kind

2543
02:01:02,360 --> 02:01:03,360
Speaker 1: of polished, you know.

2544
02:01:04,160 --> 02:01:09,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely, people can you know you might see somebody parachute

2545
02:01:09,120 --> 02:01:11,800
Speaker 2: into the cage, a live bear might enter at any point,

2546
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:15,240
Speaker 2: like like racial MMA is wild, Luke. But yes, we

2547
02:01:15,320 --> 02:01:18,920
Speaker 2: close with oh and e look let's let's do this quickly.

2548
02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:22,800
Speaker 2: But this whole look, it's easy to it's easy to

2549
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:24,879
Speaker 2: throw your name in the hat for a Connor McGregor

2550
02:01:24,880 --> 02:01:27,600
Speaker 2: fight that will never happen, or you think it could happen.

2551
02:01:27,720 --> 02:01:30,120
Speaker 2: And look, we we we we we put up a

2552
02:01:30,120 --> 02:01:32,240
Speaker 2: fence or a line at what we're willing to tolerate.

2553
02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:35,839
Speaker 2: So for example, Luke, this Henry so Hudo Connor McGregor,

2554
02:01:35,960 --> 02:01:38,560
Speaker 2: back and forth, little thing that happened and challenged, you know,

2555
02:01:38,600 --> 02:01:41,280
Speaker 2: and suddenly Connor's challenged him to a fight. I don't

2556
02:01:41,320 --> 02:01:43,520
Speaker 2: know as shitty and off the menu as that I

2557
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:47,600
Speaker 2: can get excited for something weird like that. But Jake

2558
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:50,320
Speaker 2: Paul doubling back down and going after Dana and trying

2559
02:01:50,360 --> 02:01:53,760
Speaker 2: to say now he'll fight Connor in the octagon, but

2560
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:56,960
Speaker 2: if he wins, all the fighters have to get paid.

2561
02:01:56,960 --> 02:02:00,280
Speaker 2: Like Dana stop responding a while ago, like, I I'm

2562
02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:03,040
Speaker 2: i'm I'm I'm over this, Luke. If you know Jake

2563
02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:07,080
Speaker 2: Paul still, I get it. This is this is you

2564
02:02:07,120 --> 02:02:09,240
Speaker 2: gotta you gotta, you gotta set the traps to get

2565
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:11,600
Speaker 2: the opponents. I just think this trap is closed right now.

2566
02:02:11,720 --> 02:02:14,600
Speaker 1: Luke. Okay, okay, let me ask you a question. He says,

2567
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:17,000
Speaker 1: since you like me, now, what did I miss where

2568
02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:18,720
Speaker 1: Dana White says, I like Jake Paul.

2569
02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:20,760
Speaker 2: I yeah, so I was gonna ask you. Do you

2570
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:22,400
Speaker 2: think that's some kind of cryptic like do they have

2571
02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:26,800
Speaker 2: a meeting? You know? I don't know.

2572
02:02:26,840 --> 02:02:29,720
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought of that. That's interesting. I hadn't considered that.

2573
02:02:30,440 --> 02:02:31,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true or maybe there was

2574
02:02:31,960 --> 02:02:34,280
Speaker 2: some correspondence between the two that was unexpected.

2575
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:38,520
Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder, I wonder a little bit. That's

2576
02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:40,480
Speaker 1: that's interesting. I hadn't thought about that. I wonder, But

2577
02:02:40,560 --> 02:02:42,360
Speaker 1: I want, are you right on this? It's like, what

2578
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:43,360
Speaker 1: are we doing here? What are we doing?

2579
02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:45,680
Speaker 2: Like Connor's not going there, dude? Like if so? If

2580
02:02:45,720 --> 02:02:47,360
Speaker 2: we knew that somebody's a free agent and they got

2581
02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:50,280
Speaker 2: one fight left. Then if he was going full born

2582
02:02:50,480 --> 02:02:52,920
Speaker 2: Nate Diaz right now, it would be desperate. But you

2583
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:55,520
Speaker 2: could get it. You get it. It's not like Dana

2584
02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:58,280
Speaker 2: White's not opening the door to let Connor McGregor fight

2585
02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:01,480
Speaker 2: him or vice versa in the u F right, come

2586
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:02,360
Speaker 2: on stop.

2587
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:05,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little silly, but you know, as long

2588
02:03:05,280 --> 02:03:07,040
Speaker 1: as they can get cheap publicity from it, they're going

2589
02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:09,680
Speaker 1: to keep doing it. So here we are talking about

2590
02:03:09,680 --> 02:03:11,520
Speaker 1: a BC. Good job putting that in the in the

2591
02:03:11,640 --> 02:03:12,560
Speaker 1: in the run of show.

2592
02:03:12,760 --> 02:03:15,120
Speaker 2: Oh they got you're right, I got I got caught

2593
02:03:15,120 --> 02:03:17,920
Speaker 2: in the way. Yeah, I got caught in the spider

2594
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:20,600
Speaker 2: weblu leave a message and I'll call you back. Yeah.

2595
02:03:20,640 --> 02:03:23,560
Speaker 1: There it is, okay for my odds and ends, And

2596
02:03:23,760 --> 02:03:27,040
Speaker 1: there is no doubt that Greg Hardy.

2597
02:03:31,120 --> 02:03:33,120
Speaker 2: You know what that was really? You know, if Jay

2598
02:03:33,160 --> 02:03:35,840
Speaker 2: Aaron would have loved that. Where's the nineties reference counter? Okay,

2599
02:03:35,880 --> 02:03:36,240
Speaker 2: back to you.

2600
02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:38,640
Speaker 1: That was Jay Aaron was the referee in the two

2601
02:03:38,640 --> 02:03:42,840
Speaker 1: fat guy match. In all seriousness, my odds and ends,

2602
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:45,000
Speaker 1: it's no doubt that Greg Hardy is now gone from

2603
02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:47,000
Speaker 1: the UFC. He put out a message on Instagram or

2604
02:03:47,040 --> 02:03:50,760
Speaker 1: a post anyway, basically affirming that it was true. He

2605
02:03:50,840 --> 02:03:53,400
Speaker 1: thanked everyone want to run your boys. Far from done,

2606
02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:55,920
Speaker 1: just got some fine tuning to do a little more

2607
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:58,360
Speaker 1: than that. But thank you to all my fans and haters.

2608
02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:00,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate you all, mostly appreciate the coaches family in

2609
02:04:00,840 --> 02:04:03,480
Speaker 1: the UFC. For blah blah blah blah blah BC we

2610
02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:06,600
Speaker 1: kind of thought this might be coming. Listen, they gave

2611
02:04:06,640 --> 02:04:08,280
Speaker 1: it a shot. And I will say this, if you

2612
02:04:08,360 --> 02:04:11,120
Speaker 1: go back and watch Greg Hardy in the Austin Lane fight.

2613
02:04:11,160 --> 02:04:12,640
Speaker 1: By the way, Austin Lane I think is a champion

2614
02:04:12,680 --> 02:04:15,600
Speaker 1: over in LFA or CFC, now forget which organization, but

2615
02:04:15,640 --> 02:04:17,280
Speaker 1: he has rebounded a little bit and done quite well

2616
02:04:17,320 --> 02:04:18,760
Speaker 1: for him. So if he might get a UFC call

2617
02:04:18,840 --> 02:04:20,960
Speaker 1: up before too long. But if you watched that fight,

2618
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:22,760
Speaker 1: Greg Hardy looked awesome in that fight. Now, granted I

2619
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:26,080
Speaker 1: was super early in his development, but at the time

2620
02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:29,280
Speaker 1: I thought, was there is some potential here. This looks interesting.

2621
02:04:29,880 --> 02:04:33,040
Speaker 1: It never materialized, and then it got worse as he

2622
02:04:33,120 --> 02:04:35,120
Speaker 1: tried to fight anyone good. And then you add in

2623
02:04:35,120 --> 02:04:38,520
Speaker 1: the domestic violence. You know, I don't want to call

2624
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:40,960
Speaker 1: it baggage. It's a real thing that happened to people

2625
02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:44,280
Speaker 1: and to obviously everyone affected. But what I mean to

2626
02:04:44,280 --> 02:04:46,880
Speaker 1: say is he has this issue following him. I think

2627
02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:48,800
Speaker 1: everyone saw what they needed to see at this point.

2628
02:04:48,840 --> 02:04:53,920
Speaker 2: No oh yeah, yeah, justified and the right move all

2629
02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:56,880
Speaker 2: in the same package. Luke I had a counter question

2630
02:04:56,960 --> 02:05:00,360
Speaker 2: about him moving forward because he did say that he's

2631
02:05:00,360 --> 02:05:01,800
Speaker 2: with you know, he wants He's going to keep on,

2632
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:05,080
Speaker 2: although look, he's also thrown out ideas for celebrity boxing

2633
02:05:05,120 --> 02:05:08,000
Speaker 2: matches or crossover boxing matches that probably won't happen. Who

2634
02:05:08,040 --> 02:05:10,400
Speaker 2: knows he could get an offer from from everyone from

2635
02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:14,280
Speaker 2: you know, Triller to BKFC to any other MMA promotion.

2636
02:05:14,760 --> 02:05:18,880
Speaker 2: Do you think, though, his best potential chance to get

2637
02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:21,120
Speaker 2: back to the UFC as quick as possible by making

2638
02:05:21,160 --> 02:05:24,040
Speaker 2: the most positive pr around him and his accomplishments in

2639
02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:27,680
Speaker 2: the meantime is by going to Habib's promotion, getting a

2640
02:05:27,760 --> 02:05:31,080
Speaker 2: huge push, and getting opportunities to fight some of those

2641
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:34,920
Speaker 2: washed names that are walking through the turnstiles one last time. Now,

2642
02:05:35,240 --> 02:05:37,000
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean I think he's going to be Junior

2643
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:40,680
Speaker 2: Dosantos per se, but I'm saying, is that potential there

2644
02:05:41,120 --> 02:05:44,839
Speaker 2: His biggest chance to come back and grab the attention

2645
02:05:45,240 --> 02:05:47,720
Speaker 2: of Dana White and company to want to try this again.

2646
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:51,920
Speaker 1: He's not valuable for the UFC at this point, but

2647
02:05:52,040 --> 02:05:55,120
Speaker 1: for people outside of it, for organizations outside of it,

2648
02:05:55,120 --> 02:05:56,840
Speaker 1: and not all of them. I don't think he'd be

2649
02:05:56,840 --> 02:05:59,280
Speaker 1: a good fit for PFL at all. That tournament system

2650
02:05:59,320 --> 02:06:03,840
Speaker 1: seems not ideal. So what he has to find is

2651
02:06:03,920 --> 02:06:07,400
Speaker 1: who is willing to overpay the most simple as that,

2652
02:06:07,640 --> 02:06:10,880
Speaker 1: because someone is going to overpay for him relative to

2653
02:06:10,920 --> 02:06:13,920
Speaker 1: the regional level, not relative to the UFC level, for

2654
02:06:14,040 --> 02:06:16,720
Speaker 1: his services. BKFC seems like a good one. Eagles seems

2655
02:06:16,760 --> 02:06:19,000
Speaker 1: like another. But here's the problem with Eagle, Dude, They're

2656
02:06:19,000 --> 02:06:21,920
Speaker 1: gonna there's a pipeline from like they had Russian heavyweights,

2657
02:06:21,920 --> 02:06:23,960
Speaker 1: They're going to probably have there that they're going to

2658
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:26,240
Speaker 1: recruit that you know, are still early in the development.

2659
02:06:26,520 --> 02:06:31,560
Speaker 1: He's gonna get smushed by those guys. Yeah, so, yes,

2660
02:06:31,640 --> 02:06:33,480
Speaker 1: that is a real option for him. And if they

2661
02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:36,360
Speaker 1: pay him, you know, dumb money, then yeah, you take it.

2662
02:06:36,400 --> 02:06:40,200
Speaker 1: But I think BKFC is actually a dare I say

2663
02:06:40,240 --> 02:06:45,320
Speaker 1: BC good fit? Good fit two minute rounds all stand up,

2664
02:06:45,760 --> 02:06:50,440
Speaker 1: He's still pretty athletics still pretty quick. It's not the worst.

2665
02:06:50,640 --> 02:06:54,040
Speaker 2: Okay, then the reason why I make a facial reaction

2666
02:06:54,200 --> 02:06:55,760
Speaker 2: like that is not that I don't think it could

2667
02:06:55,800 --> 02:06:58,520
Speaker 2: end up being his best financial optional or even that

2668
02:06:58,680 --> 02:07:00,360
Speaker 2: argument I just tried to make of you know, what's

2669
02:07:00,400 --> 02:07:02,920
Speaker 2: the best chance to stay relevant? That it may be

2670
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:06,520
Speaker 2: that as well, But do you think the the same

2671
02:07:06,520 --> 02:07:08,280
Speaker 2: thing the sport of MMA had to go through but

2672
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:11,720
Speaker 2: successfully passed through that BKFC isn't quite there yet on

2673
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:19,360
Speaker 2: this not looking like fight phonography where you sort of like, Okay,

2674
02:07:19,440 --> 02:07:21,440
Speaker 2: you're on the way out, because that's what it says

2675
02:07:21,520 --> 02:07:24,200
Speaker 2: right now, with the exception of like a Mike Perry

2676
02:07:24,240 --> 02:07:27,040
Speaker 2: now that still says yeah, but like it still really

2677
02:07:27,080 --> 02:07:29,880
Speaker 2: says it for both of their absolute futures. But at

2678
02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:33,240
Speaker 2: least you know there's a there's an interim category.

2679
02:07:33,600 --> 02:07:37,960
Speaker 1: So you're asking who from MMA has gone to BKFC

2680
02:07:38,840 --> 02:07:43,280
Speaker 1: and improved their stock dot dot dot as an MMA

2681
02:07:44,040 --> 02:07:46,640
Speaker 1: a talent attraction where.

2682
02:07:46,400 --> 02:07:50,000
Speaker 2: It doesn't just smell of desperation in your final chances,

2683
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:50,800
Speaker 2: like getting.

2684
02:07:50,600 --> 02:07:55,280
Speaker 1: A paid page. Actually Pagan hasn't tried that, but it backfired.

2685
02:07:55,120 --> 02:07:57,640
Speaker 2: But she's still to her credit if she's going to

2686
02:07:57,680 --> 02:07:58,880
Speaker 2: go to pro wrestling route and I think she has

2687
02:07:58,880 --> 02:08:01,000
Speaker 2: a signed with AW Whether we care about that or not,

2688
02:08:01,320 --> 02:08:04,960
Speaker 2: she may have used BKFC to pivot properly even though

2689
02:08:04,960 --> 02:08:05,240
Speaker 2: she lost.

2690
02:08:05,320 --> 02:08:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fine. I'm just saying the winds didn't, the

2691
02:08:07,560 --> 02:08:12,920
Speaker 1: wins didn't materialize in the way that I think somehow imagined. Yeah,

2692
02:08:12,920 --> 02:08:15,040
Speaker 1: you're right, there is something to that. There is something

2693
02:08:15,080 --> 02:08:17,120
Speaker 1: to that I do. Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're

2694
02:08:17,160 --> 02:08:19,680
Speaker 1: absolutely right. It definitely inde like you can still do

2695
02:08:19,720 --> 02:08:21,480
Speaker 1: stuff to make money, and you can still do stuff

2696
02:08:21,480 --> 02:08:23,760
Speaker 1: to get attention. And even in that world you can

2697
02:08:23,920 --> 02:08:26,480
Speaker 1: find interesting and fun matchups that people will want to see.

2698
02:08:26,720 --> 02:08:29,880
Speaker 1: But I've yet to see the MMA to BKFC to

2699
02:08:30,120 --> 02:08:34,920
Speaker 1: rebound to MMA that U shape where the MMA on

2700
02:08:34,960 --> 02:08:37,280
Speaker 1: the other end, does it suffer. Mike Perry might try,

2701
02:08:37,360 --> 02:08:40,360
Speaker 1: Mike Perry might try. So it's still a case by

2702
02:08:40,360 --> 02:08:42,360
Speaker 1: case basis. But you're right, we haven't seen that yet.

2703
02:08:42,360 --> 02:08:45,560
Speaker 1: It's fair point. It's a fair point. Yeah, that's it.

2704
02:08:45,640 --> 02:08:46,440
Speaker 1: That's all I got. PC.

2705
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:50,160
Speaker 2: All right, all right, Hopefully hopefully you'll hit them hard

2706
02:08:50,160 --> 02:08:52,040
Speaker 2: with an extra credit, Luke, and hopefully.

2707
02:08:52,320 --> 02:08:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to hit them hard with an extra credit

2708
02:08:54,200 --> 02:08:56,080
Speaker 1: and uh watch still the folks was going to happen

2709
02:08:56,120 --> 02:08:56,960
Speaker 1: in studio this week.

2710
02:08:57,680 --> 02:09:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, Showtime Boxing is gonna have their big announcement

2711
02:09:00,600 --> 02:09:03,840
Speaker 2: this week on the upcoming schedule, So Luke and I

2712
02:09:03,880 --> 02:09:08,200
Speaker 2: will be reacting to that, of course. And also that's

2713
02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:11,520
Speaker 2: that goes down tomorrow, Luke, and also Live Morning Combat

2714
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:14,720
Speaker 2: on Wednesday. Hopefully we can f around and you know,

2715
02:09:14,880 --> 02:09:17,240
Speaker 2: post a triple double of some other content as well.

2716
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:19,800
Speaker 2: But you know, the whole point is, Luke, that studio

2717
02:09:19,920 --> 02:09:22,680
Speaker 2: is just it was made for us. So our shows

2718
02:09:22,680 --> 02:09:26,480
Speaker 2: are I don't know, forty six percent better in the studio, Luke,

2719
02:09:27,800 --> 02:09:31,240
Speaker 2: what at least let's make a nineties reference back, I

2720
02:09:31,280 --> 02:09:33,120
Speaker 2: don't think so. Oh yeah I did, of course I

2721
02:09:33,120 --> 02:09:34,200
Speaker 2: did great, great pickup there.

2722
02:09:34,440 --> 02:09:34,640
Speaker 1: See.

2723
02:09:34,640 --> 02:09:37,400
Speaker 2: I'm so used to not seeing the nineties counter pop up, Luke,

2724
02:09:37,400 --> 02:09:39,360
Speaker 2: that when it does, I instantly have to be like, wait,

2725
02:09:39,400 --> 02:09:41,800
Speaker 2: was that justified? All right? Uh yeah, Luke.

2726
02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:43,960
Speaker 1: So what was the best thing about the nineties? The

2727
02:09:44,040 --> 02:09:47,360
Speaker 1: single best thing about the nineties the number one? Don't

2728
02:09:47,360 --> 02:09:49,240
Speaker 1: give me, don't give me two through five, I don't

2729
02:09:49,240 --> 02:09:50,520
Speaker 1: give a fuck number one.

2730
02:09:51,720 --> 02:09:56,440
Speaker 2: Though the White College baseball caps, made by the company

2731
02:09:56,480 --> 02:09:57,720
Speaker 2: called the game I thought you were.

2732
02:09:57,680 --> 02:10:02,360
Speaker 1: Gonna be like white people. I was gonna like white chicks.

2733
02:10:02,520 --> 02:10:05,360
Speaker 2: Uh, Luke, you do you obviously remember these hats, right,

2734
02:10:05,400 --> 02:10:07,920
Speaker 2: they were the nineties and you could get like I had.

2735
02:10:07,960 --> 02:10:10,080
Speaker 2: I bought the University of Colorado hat said Buffs, and

2736
02:10:10,080 --> 02:10:12,640
Speaker 2: of course everyone bought the South Carolina one that said

2737
02:10:12,640 --> 02:10:14,760
Speaker 2: Cox right, you know, but if you wore that, you

2738
02:10:14,840 --> 02:10:17,520
Speaker 2: really had to like live that gimmick, right. So I

2739
02:10:17,520 --> 02:10:19,520
Speaker 2: didn't go that route, but I had some cool ones.

2740
02:10:19,560 --> 02:10:21,640
Speaker 2: I had the Xavier x Men ones. But then, Luke,

2741
02:10:21,720 --> 02:10:23,600
Speaker 2: if you were, you know, next level, you'd take the

2742
02:10:23,600 --> 02:10:26,560
Speaker 2: little mini scissors and sewing kit and you'd remove certain

2743
02:10:26,560 --> 02:10:28,640
Speaker 2: parts of the letters of the bars to make it.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was Luke, you know, I had a.

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Speaker 1: Girl had a savior one. That does that mean? Was

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Speaker 1: to believe was good and they weren't any good Xavier?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they they proved themselves if you I mean

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Speaker 2: they beat Georgetown in nineteen ninety in the second round, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I mean that was.

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Speaker 1: The Georgetown recently, dude, that was.

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Speaker 2: The that was the Derek Strong and Tyrone Hill team

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Speaker 2: that beat Morning and people telling people of the old school,

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Speaker 2: Big East thought Big East.

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Speaker 1: The sun rose and set in the Big East, and

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Speaker 1: it was it was very good. It did. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: the sun didn't. Right, it wasn't quite as good as

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Speaker 1: you all imagined it. To me, it did exist, very good,

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Speaker 1: it did.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know it.

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Speaker 1: So for Malka for CBS Sports, for the Viceroy of Connecticut,

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell in showtime, I'm Luke Thomas. We'll see you

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Speaker 1: guys next time, and until then, may all of your

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