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So I always tell people, if you have 47 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: gifts or passion, then leave with your gifts and don't 48 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: let your age, friends, family, and coworkers stop you from 49 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: planning or living your dreams. Interviews, I want to show 50 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: a relating for you, whether you're consumer or a business owner. 51 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: I invite celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs or what I like to 52 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: call industry decision makers onto my show to discuss ways 53 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: of how to make money, discussing what you're doing with 54 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: your money, and how people are using their secrets and 55 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: sharing them with you so you also can be successful. 56 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: My next guest is Dr catri Nel Davis. She's an 57 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: Associate professor of sociology and African American Studies at Florida 58 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: State University. She is a social change scholar inspired by 59 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: the struggles of working class people in urban areas who 60 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: contend with extraordinary socio economic constraints despite their best efforts 61 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: basically trying to get out the hood and nobody's trying 62 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: to help. Through a teaching in scholarship, Davids explores how racial, gender, 63 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: and class biases, as well as institutional constraint, shaped black neighborhoods, 64 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: their resources, and how social groups navigating through these existing hurdles, 65 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: which leads us to Dr Davis's latest book, Tainting Tainted 66 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: Tap Flinch Journey from Crisis to Recovery again t Taint 67 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: It Tap Flints Journey from Crisis to Recovery, focused on 68 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: the origin and health consequences of the water crisis in Flint, Michigan, 69 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: by the way, where she was born. Please work with 70 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: the money making conversation, Dr Catrinell Davis, How you doing, doctor, 71 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: I am doing great. Thanks for having me. Or then 72 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: they getting tongue tied on the tidle of your book, 73 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: Taint It Flints Journey from Crisis to Recovery. Now when 74 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: I see that, has that been a recovery? Well, they're 75 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: in the process of recovery, but Flint has not recovered 76 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: from the water crisis. And the water crisis, as we 77 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: can say, is one giant cover up. Can I say 78 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: that I love that. Let's talk about that cover up. Absolutely, 79 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: Let's let's call it a cover up, because that's what 80 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: it is. Absolutely, and so because a lot of people 81 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: knew it before the people were drinking the water, Like 82 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: when I think General Mojors stopped accepting water, okay from Flint. 83 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: So and then the local city hall started getting water 84 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: delivered to them, and it wasn't until January where in 85 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: your book, that it was acknowledged that there's a problem 86 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: with the water and the public was being notified about it. 87 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: Talk about let's start there when when I have to 88 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: say it's a cover up, when the when the business 89 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: world is aware because they covered their basis so they 90 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: won't get sued, Okay, that's why they stopped accepting water, 91 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: but the general public and then and then when they 92 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: stopped accepting that, they didn't tell their employees where the 93 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: water was coming from. So that's when you start using 94 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: the word cover up. And I use it in the 95 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: professional manner because I don't know other words you can 96 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: use if you if you know some information that I 97 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: need to know that's gonna affect my life, but you 98 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: refuse or failed to tell me that's a cover So 99 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: you were born in Flint, You're a person who's seeing 100 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: this neighborhood transition. You talk about how all the all 101 00:05:55,200 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: the because in seventeen it was recognized that Flips, MS 102 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: again was the poorest city in the United States. That's correct. 103 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: Your story in the book basically starts correct. Well, the story, 104 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: the main story about the crisis starts in UM two 105 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen, but the story about what's happened to 106 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: Flint actually began in the nineteen sixties. Absolutely, because I 107 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: think it's important for us to understand that this whole 108 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: the struggle that that Flip faced during this crisis, UM, 109 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: is a struggle that has a lot to do with 110 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: this history of uneven development, this whole idea of we're 111 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: gonna pour money into the downtown areas, but let the 112 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: the north side of the of the city struggle and 113 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: suffer from decay um uh, no maintenance, et cetera. And 114 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: so yeah, this cover up, uh, or the part of 115 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: the cover up that we're very familiar with, starts somewhere 116 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: in two thousand fifteen, But I would say it starts 117 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: a bit earlier than that, because what's what the public 118 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: that know about the crisis is that the State of 119 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: Michigan had it effectively UH disinvested from its water protection 120 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: protocols UH somewhere around two thousand and six two thousand seven. 121 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: So even if it was even if the e p 122 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: A and the state was doing what it was supposed 123 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: to do UM around two thousand and fifteen or in 124 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: in position to do to respond to residents concerns UM, 125 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: we would have seen a better response. 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Dr Catri, Now, Davis, 162 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: you know when you say we say it happened earlier. 163 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: I will show you an example of recently that how 164 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: the called of state can change the rules on you 165 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: don't tell you they've changed the rules, but in fact 166 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: and in fact impacts low income people the worst. The 167 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: state of Texas just recently when they had the big 168 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: freeze because they had changed the way the building system 169 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: went down and changed the way the grid was being allocated, 170 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: and so the state of Texas was shut down during 171 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: the freeze, and so that would no one would never 172 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: have known that if the freeze didn't come along, And 173 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: so people were being built differently. People were suddenly getting 174 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: two thousand dollar bills when they were previously getting the 175 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: normal maybe a hundred dollar bill. The bills were tied 176 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: to their bank accounts, so the money was automatically be 177 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: pulled out of their bank account, whether they had the 178 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: money or not. And so these are situations where you're saying, 179 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: like you said, in the social makeup of the world, 180 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: their decisions being made, they're not They're not acknowledged that 181 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: they are major decisions. There might not acknowledge that their 182 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: big decisions. But in the end, the person who gets 183 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: affected the most is the person who has less. And 184 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: that's what your book is about, absolutely. I think so 185 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: so often we pay attention to the absent of overt racism. 186 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: We say, no one's burning crosses, um, no one called 187 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: me out of my name, no one pulled me off 188 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: of a counter, you know, at a at a or 189 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: lunch counter because it's I'm not supposed to be there, right. 190 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: But what we don't pay attention to is the this. 191 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: The this is in the disrespect that poor people encounter 192 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: on the daily because there are things in their environment 193 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: that just aren't right. They're being shorted, um when with 194 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: regard to educational services, they're being shorted with regard to 195 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: environmental protections being shorted with regard to police protection, fire protection, 196 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: UM left and right. And this is again, we don't 197 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: pay attention to these things because we spent so much 198 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: time talking about whether or not we're dealing with overt racism, 199 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: whether or not somebody's playing us right. What we need 200 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: to be paying attention to is what institutions are doing. 201 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: You know, here's let's slow down my my relationship with 202 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: you in regards to sociology, my degrees in mathematics. Dr Davis. 203 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: You're an associate professor of sociology and African American Studies 204 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: at Florida State University in Tallahassan, Florida. UM. I was 205 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: rolling through college doing good, and then I took a 206 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: sociology class, and I realized that I was being uneducated. 207 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: I was not being educated properly about this country's history, 208 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: especially when it came to African Americans, or what my 209 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: people had accomplished, or why our racism and general or 210 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: how it was being treated. Basically, I would tell people, 211 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: when you look at the life of a black people 212 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: in history books that they teach you, you know, they 213 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: brought us over through slavery, they freed us, and then 214 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: they then they don't say anything about the World War 215 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: One participation, World War Two participation. Then you go to 216 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: Brown versus Board of Education. Then you hear about the 217 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: Martin Luther King speech. You kind of talk about the 218 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: civil speech. Then you hear about Martin Luther King's assassination, 219 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: and it kind of stops because it's the Civil Wars 220 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: Vietnam War in the nexting years. So black people kind 221 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: of like stopped producing after Martin Luther King. Dr. Martin 222 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: Luther King died. That is what if anybody disbelieve, just 223 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: read your books. That signs being played to us. Oh 224 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: you get the back in the day, I get the 225 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: maps from the beer companies talking about the kings and 226 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: queens and they tell me that, you know, the Cotton 227 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: gin was built by a black person. But it wasn't 228 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: in any book that I read in the high school 229 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: or the elementary school or middle school. It was in 230 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: something that I bought that had a beer kin on 231 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: it or bill or was sponsored by a beer company. 232 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: And not saying that's negative, but that's how it's being educated, okay. 233 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: And so so sociology is key for me because it 234 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: talks about how people engage and how people treat you 235 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: in that engagement. So tell us about the impact of 236 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: what you do as a sociology professor at Florida State 237 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: and African American Studies, because I want to get to 238 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: the critical race theory which is been bombarding the headlines, 239 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: and maybe you can help my audience digest or understand 240 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: that a lot better. Well. As a sociologist, I care 241 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: most about explaining the concrete circumstances that people encounter that 242 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: make it difficult to make ends meet and do the 243 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: things that they need to that that they need to 244 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: do to take care of their families. UM. Oftentimes we 245 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: ignore those things about our realities that make things difficult, 246 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: UM that are UM boundaries or barriers that that seem 247 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: to be UM hard to to remove, etcetera. And and 248 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: I also want to say in our society, we have 249 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: a tough time believing that, um, it's okay for a 250 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: problem to last longer than thirty minutes, right, And so 251 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: if it's not solved in thirty minutes, we're almost in 252 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: the space where we're gonna move on even if it's 253 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: not solved. And so I think part of the problem 254 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: we're dealing with is one this whole issue of having 255 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: a very short attention span UM with regard to understanding 256 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: and even trying to um deal with process social problems. 257 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: And then we we also have a problem where we 258 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: don't as a society, we're not willing or I don't 259 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: believe that we've uh developed the stomach or in or 260 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: the political will to really deal with um um longstanding 261 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: ratio class um antagonisms and issues. And so what we 262 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: do We set up curricula where we go around these issues. Yeah, 263 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: we say, um, the problems start stopped after we discover 264 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: that Martin Luther King had a dream, um and we 265 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: got on board with his dream. And and now look 266 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: at those black folks. You know, doors are openings, all good, 267 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: but the problem is that it's not all good for 268 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: most black folks. Most most black folks are near poor, 269 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: which means they're struggling on levels that that are invisible 270 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: in places that we don't even see. Because our worlds 271 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: are so wrapped around what we do and not what 272 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: other people are really dealing with. So fields like sociology 273 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: help us understand um, you know, and it's sometimes academicians 274 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: you know, really help us understand what um uh, what 275 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: society's narrative has to say about us, and it's not 276 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: always very critical of that narrative. UM. But in my work, 277 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: I try to center the problems of the individual, and 278 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: in particular black people, poor black people, to sort of 279 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: help us understand that, both historically, uh economically socially, how 280 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: these problems, how we got these problems, why we still 281 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: have these problems, or what we need to do to 282 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: deal with these problems. And again, I think the pushback 283 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: UM is, particularly the pushback with regard to critical race theory, 284 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: is about silencing you know what, what we know because 285 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: I think we know too much and they want to 286 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: shut us up. 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When I realized that I was, 319 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: I was being denied side an opportunity to get a 320 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: full spectrum of education and information. And so when I 321 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 1: hear people, whether it's the Trump administration trying to favor 322 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: the Confederate statues and say they have a place in 323 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: our society, but don't want to recognize that racism truly exists, 324 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: I don't know how you can balance it too. I 325 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: don't know how you can recognize Confederate monuments as saying 326 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: these are heroes, but you can't recognize the fact that 327 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: racism is very prevalent. And as you say, it's not 328 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: always overt, but you still have redlining of districts, you 329 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: still have rezoning, you have you have people going around 330 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: right now they are it's still audent in President Biden. Okay, 331 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: that's racism. That's gonna be real because it's tied to 332 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: black voters. It's black to people who believe there's a 333 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,239 Speaker 1: need for change. And so when you look at what 334 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: you're doing and you look at the critical race theory. 335 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: There's been bantered about what is the problem. Is it 336 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: information or is it is it? Is it something that 337 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: was done in eighteen seventy nine trying to be implemented 338 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: in two thousand. It's I've I've looked at some of 339 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: these people that that have commented on critical race theory, 340 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: particularly those people who have been against uh, this particular 341 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: theory being taught, um at the post secondary level, primarily 342 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: because that's what where it's taught. Essentially, My my take 343 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: on their argument is that, um, this happened a long 344 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: time ago, and why should we talk about, you know, 345 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: information that may or may not be true. It's really interesting. Um. 346 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: The the argument is that it happened a long time ago. 347 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: Then the corollary to that is that this information may 348 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: not be true, right, Um? And and then it's how 349 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: how can we can't get along? Why can't we get along? Right? 350 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,479 Speaker 1: I'm an Italian American? Right? Um? And mind you, this 351 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,959 Speaker 1: person doesn't want to own that he has white skinned, 352 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, and that skin speaks for him, you know. Uh, 353 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: But I'm Italian American. Why should we have to you know, 354 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: learn about this history? Uh? And it's it's it's part 355 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: of the American program that we have in that program 356 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: is all about denier. We deny what's true, we deny 357 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: what's real in the lives of people who are dealing 358 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: with tough stuff, Okay, and then we turn around and 359 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: we blame them for what they're experiencing, as though they 360 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: created those issues. But I would submit that the real 361 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,959 Speaker 1: problem is that we've never gotten around to dealing with 362 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: the fact that when black folks stopped giving their labor 363 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: to white folks after slavery, never quite stopped being the 364 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: white man's burden, you know, all for the wrong reason. Absolutely, 365 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: when I when I hear you talk, you know, I 366 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: smile and that you know, I said, you go, girl, 367 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: you do what you gotta do. I need you to 368 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: be a professor somebody talking to people in general, so 369 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: they have somebody can come up and talk to that 370 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: has it on this conversation that necessarily isn't their color, 371 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: because that's when you get on this conversation when somebody 372 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: who's not your color comes up to you in communication. 373 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: Because so what happens within our community. Sometimes we don't 374 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: even want to talk about slavery. We want to say 375 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: that we want to why why why we gotta talk 376 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: about that? You know, we're moving forward. There's a section 377 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: of us that want to talk like that at all. 378 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: Maybe you may say that we are maybe in an 379 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: affluent or maybe are doing well or at a certain 380 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: tax bracket. But I've always been a person that, no 381 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: matter how successful I've been, Dr David's always felt that 382 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: if I can't help more people get where I'm trying 383 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: to get or where I'm trying to go, then I'm 384 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: not winning for the overall picture. Isn't that what we're 385 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: trying to do. Isn't that what your book? The information 386 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: we're getting out of your book is that is about 387 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: a group of people. And this happens to be a city, 388 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: not not a community, a city where the world, where 389 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 1: the work factories moved, drugs came in. You know, Burton, 390 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: which was right less than a mile away, and their 391 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: billings was different than Flint, Michigan's building system and nobody 392 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: and then if if, if, if the snow was on 393 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: their street, it got plowed first snow was on your street. Uh, 394 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: we will give with you. The trees were dying over 395 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: there and Flint over in burden. Hey, the tree. Just 396 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: can just a leaf can fall off the tree. Excuse me, 397 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,959 Speaker 1: I got that leaf? Bat Oh, go about your business. 398 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: You know that's what you're talking about in your book. 399 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: You you you clearly made me go. You may be mad, 400 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: Dr Davis, you may be mad. I wanted to make 401 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: you mad. You may be mad, girl, because you were 402 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: telling the truth. Why don't people want to hear the truth? 403 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: Come on? The truth is uncomfortable. Sometimes when certain people 404 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: hear it, they think that, you know, I'm listening to 405 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: this truth, and that means that something that I had 406 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: at may be taken away, right, my privilege, my the 407 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: benefits that I that I um enjoy. I may need 408 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: to share you know, Oh, they gotta put money on this. 409 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: That money may be taken from some things that my children, 410 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: Mike or my child might need. And I want to 411 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: tell you it's something that was brought up in in 412 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: this podcast that i've I've done related to the book. 413 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: One of my guests shared with me and this is 414 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: a very very important um um statement that he made. 415 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: And this is when I was pushing him to why 416 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: aren't cities doing what they need to do to take 417 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: care of everybody? Why they're playing poor people, right, um 418 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: and and he was talking about what we haven't gotten 419 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: around to dealing with legacy costs, how to help cities 420 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: deal with costs that they can't deal with because they 421 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: have poor people, etcetera, etcetera, um and and so again 422 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: I was pushed in him, why is this the issue? 423 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: Why hasn't the state and the powers that be come 424 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: up with better models? And he said, essentially, we don't 425 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: have a problem handing a person of food stamp, but 426 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: we have a problem giving people access to jobs via 427 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: programs like affirmative action. Because you know why, because when 428 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: you hand somebody or food stamp, you can label them 429 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: as a person that's that's um irrelevant, and then that 430 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: same person you can start taking away rights. Okay, now 431 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: you give somebody an opportunity to affirmative action, then they 432 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: can be on a level playing fields economically, socially, they 433 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: can move into their neighborhoods, they can bank for their bank, 434 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: they can do the things that they do, they can 435 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: eat in the restaurants they eat inm And so I 436 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: know because I came from the hood. I came from 437 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: far Ford. I came from a neighborhood where my parents 438 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: had to get us out, and we moved to a 439 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: little neighbor a little bit better, but it wasn't that neighborhood, okay. 440 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: And so when I see about you in your book, 441 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: is right you talk about when you talk about when 442 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: it was changing the communities and sweeping through and now 443 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: they call the gentrification. They put a fancy name on 444 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 1: it that, but it's the same thing. They gave us 445 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: a nice title. It gets the same thing, you know, 446 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: moving black people to lesser communities, less property values. And 447 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: then go, what's the problem? Now you say richean. Doesn't 448 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: that sound familiar? Doesn't that sound like the American Indian? 449 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: Do you not realize that that that ghettos are just 450 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: fancy five reservations, just fancified reservations, That's what they are. 451 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: There are some people I know for a fact that 452 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: living these communities, who never leave, who have never driven out, 453 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: who never shop or eating out of that community. They 454 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: are trapped into that world. If they're trapped into the world, 455 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: guess what you're trapped too. And then so when you 456 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: come into that world, you've seen as a stranger, which 457 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 1: impacts them and they're gonna treat you different, which may 458 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: lead to negative consequences. When I started reading that part 459 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: of your book, it just really made me even more mad. 460 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: Dr Davis. You really You're the first book I've ever 461 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: had on the show. Just had me positively mad. This 462 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: is not a mad mad because I can't win because 463 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: of my skin tone according to America. Well, I'm sorry 464 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: that I made you mad, but it's it's really my 465 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: job to tell the truth and to say it in 466 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 1: a way where people can understand it, where there's teeth 467 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: and you understand that this is not a game. Right, 468 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: They have been playing with our lives. But for some reason, 469 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: we don't want to call it um genocide, right we 470 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: We we stopped at that. We we say, well, it's 471 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, um, we're doing what we can and we're 472 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: not killing people at will and things of this nature. 473 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: But I would submit this, if you poison people over 474 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: time with with um materials or toxins that could I 475 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: don't know, um make them less smart, make them more 476 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 1: prone to violence and anger, make them um less likely 477 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: to be able to self govern. What you're doing is 478 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: is basically doubling down. You have this theory of who 479 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: we are, but then you you poison our communities and 480 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: help that happen, right, And so the thing is, yeah, 481 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: I'm absolutely sorry that I have to let folks know 482 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: that problems don't get solved. I gotta let folks know 483 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: that they're playing poor black people left and right, leaving 484 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: them out of resources or keeping them from resources that 485 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: they actually need to make ends meet and to um 486 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: take good care of themselves. UM. I have to let 487 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: you know because it's my obligation because I don't need 488 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: us us as a people walking around thinking that we 489 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: got it made. We got some work to do. You know, 490 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: in your book Tanned Tap Flints Journey from Crisis to 491 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: Recover in chapter six, which is the blame game of 492 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: legal circus and public finger pointing. And this is basically 493 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: because what I try to do, what I bring individual 494 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: on my show talking about that books, I'm not trying 495 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: to I don't try to get My job is not 496 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: to give away the book. My job is to gain interest. 497 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: So somebody wou want to read your book and what 498 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: you just talked about, it's basically what the blame game is. 499 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: You know, you know, it's it's good to say that 500 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: you know that there's a problem in the minority communities 501 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: because we go black and brown right now because I'm 502 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: African American. That's why we' talking about this matter community 503 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: having the same issues and and in the American Indian 504 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: community is a lost community. Okay, it's a lost community. 505 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: And so and so when we talk about through sociology, 506 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: which guys are through this whole situation here, what is 507 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: the blame game and who is running the blame game? Well, 508 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: I would say the blame game is is essentially this, 509 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: It's we know that a problem exists. However, we're gonna 510 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: let you believe that you created that problem, or we're 511 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: gonna let you believe that the problem doesn't exist. So 512 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: that's the first problem. So then after you you effectively 513 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: prove that you didn't create the problem, then we have 514 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: to work at trying to distance ourselves from that blame 515 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: because we don't want to take that heat. We don't 516 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: want to be in a seat of or in the 517 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: be placed in the process of actually trying having to 518 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: fix the the institutional problems and replace those strategies and 519 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: policies that enable us to do the stuff we do. Well. 520 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: You know, because I'm a closed doctor, Dr Davison, it's 521 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: all positive. You know, when I say, I'm mad. It's 522 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: good man, because I've been filled with information and information 523 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: I got from your book, Tainting Tap flinch Journey from 524 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: Crisis to Recovery. In twenty seventeen, Flint, Michigan was the 525 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: poorest city in America. Who wants that title? Okay? Who 526 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: wants to know that right down the street less than 527 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: a mile somebody's paying less? And guess what they they 528 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: as they say, they look like you, They're just a 529 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: different color. But more importantly, when you look at all 530 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: this critical race theory, look at all these arguments about 531 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: what we don't want to let anybody know that the 532 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: America has done nothing wrong? How and maybe you might 533 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: not can't answer this? How did you team get recognized 534 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: as a national holiday? How did that slip past? When 535 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: that was the ultimate level of recognition that black people 536 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: well enslaved and black people were released do the slavery 537 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: because they were brought over to this country against their will. 538 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: But somehow I got past Unaniously, while a bunch of 539 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: people are arguing about the critical race theory, does that 540 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: make sense to you? I'm glad they got passed because 541 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: I'm used in Texas and it's always been a holiday 542 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: in the state of Texas, but it was never recognized 543 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: national holiday. So when everybody started getting on board in 544 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: I kind of smiled, and I'm happy that it was recognized. 545 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: But how does June teae get passed with all this 546 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: denial going on in the public's eye about racism and slavery? 547 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: M hmm. I love that you asked that question. So 548 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: I'll be brief because we can write a dissertation on this, 549 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: but I would I would say that, UM, you know, 550 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: essentially what we're looking at is a political maneuver. Um. 551 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: We're we're sort of addicted to and attracted to symbolic gestures, 552 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: and this is one of them. So because I can 553 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: tell you this, if we can set up a holiday, um, grades, 554 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm all Ford in Flint, Michigan. We've been celebrating June tenth, 555 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: June tenth for you know, a long time. Uh that said, UM, 556 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: if you really want to make progress in the black community, 557 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: you will pass laws that make um folks accountable for 558 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: the things that they do to the people that they're 559 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: supposed to be accountable to. You want to pass laws 560 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: and make things uh a bit more transparent, right, give 561 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: people a seat at the table. Uh. You want to 562 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: make sure that people aren't being played the extent of 563 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: which they are being played in their communities. UM. You 564 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: know you're drinking water that is not safe, and you 565 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: know they'll take your house away if you don't pay 566 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: for that for poison water. UM. And so we're in 567 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: a space where we love um symbolic empty gestures. UM, 568 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: but we're not. We don't. We haven't um summoned the 569 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: political will to do what's required to move things forward. 570 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: Dr Catcher Nearil Davis, thank you for coming on my show. 571 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: You associate with the professor of Sociology and African American Stories, 572 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: and you know they say the Seminar State Florida State 573 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: University down in Tallahasan, Florida. Your book, Tainted Tap Flinch 574 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: Journey from Crisis to Cover is a wonderful read. Is 575 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: an informative read. It's an educational read. 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