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Speaker 3: Pat me Friday, Everybody, what is up? It's your boy Jason.

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Speaker 4: MacIntyre in for Colin Coward. He is Becca Monday. I

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Speaker 4: know you're excited, boy, a lot of venom online yesterday

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Speaker 4: for some of the takes. But hey, it's Friday. Take

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Speaker 4: Happy Hour in full effect. I'm joining on this beautiful

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Speaker 4: Friday by Alex Curry.

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Speaker 3: Alex, I know.

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Speaker 4: You're excited for your big leave that's coming up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm excited. There's a lot, there's the unknown, you know,

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Speaker 5: but we're one day at a time. So we're here today.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna have a rate last day.

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Speaker 4: We are.

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Speaker 5: I love that you were getting beat for your takes

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Speaker 5: yesterday because that means that they were polarizing, which is

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Speaker 5: what you want to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I want to be loved, guys. I just want to.

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Speaker 6: Be going to be loved in this industry.

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Speaker 4: Although I'll say there was a story that dropped like

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Speaker 4: eight minutes before we walked on a set Ooh it

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Speaker 4: is spicy, and we'll get to that shortly. I don't

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Speaker 4: want to say Lebron versus Luca, but something's happening in

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Speaker 4: LA and it does not look good for the King.

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Speaker 4: We got a great show lined up, a lot of

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Speaker 4: exciting fun guests will do Summer League stuff, little NFL,

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Speaker 4: but we're gonna.

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Speaker 3: Start with the big debut.

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Speaker 4: Last night, Cooper Flag, the eighteen year old phenom from Duke,

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Speaker 4: in his first NBA Summer League game. Now, I know

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Speaker 4: everybody wants to draw dramatic sweeping conclusions from a Summer

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Speaker 4: League game in Vegas. I'm just gonna warn you don't

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Speaker 4: do that. Okay, The eighteen year old Cooper Flag had

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Speaker 4: an uneven game. Listen, this is what happens. Remember when

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Speaker 4: Bin Yama last year came out in his first Summer

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Speaker 4: League game and was kind of awful, and everybody's, Oh,

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Speaker 4: he's going he's gotta be fine. That was two years ago.

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Speaker 4: But Cooper Flag last night shoots five of twenty one,

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Speaker 4: zero for five on threes, and all I hear is well,

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: His shot doesn't.

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Speaker 4: Look good, Jay, I didn't. Where is he elite? I'm like, guys,

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Speaker 4: we saw him for a full season of Duke. He's

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Speaker 4: elite everywhere. I mean, I just thought the overreaction to

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Speaker 4: Cooper flag shooting last night was goofy. Let me tell

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Speaker 4: you what he does? Well, the guy's a winning basketball player.

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Speaker 3: Should I mention?

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Speaker 4: With seventy seconds left, he makes the game saving block

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Speaker 4: on a layup attempt by a Laker guard, just swats

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Speaker 4: it out of thin air and then gets what happens?

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Speaker 4: He comes down on the fast break and Cooper Flag

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Speaker 4: makes the game winning assist to a young memoarrd, Boy,

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Speaker 4: did that kid look good? And the MAVs pull out

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Speaker 4: the win over the Lakers, And somewhere along the line

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Speaker 4: in the NBA mostly we got to this, Hey, hey,

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Speaker 4: if you're a jack of old trades but master of none,

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Speaker 4: I don't know. It's just what are you a leite at? Well?

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you, guys. When Nikola Jokic came into

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Speaker 4: the NBA at twenty, what was he elite at anyone? Anyone?

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Speaker 4: What about janis he gets to the league at nineteen,

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Speaker 4: This spindly young fellow from Greece. What does yiannisy lead

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Speaker 4: at Jay? Hey? Sorry, length, Okay, that's not an elite trade.

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Speaker 4: That's not a skill that carries over. Like Yannis came

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Speaker 4: into the league, he wasn't an e leite at anything.

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Speaker 4: Cooper Flag comes in more advanced than those guys as

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Speaker 4: an eighteen year old. Remember a month ago he should

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Speaker 4: have graduated high school. That's when you usually graduated high school.

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Speaker 4: Right eighteen and a half, eighteen ish, he had completed

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Speaker 4: a season at Duke, was utterly dominant, and now is

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Speaker 3: Doesn't turn nineteen.

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Speaker 4: Until later this year. That's crazy. And all these people

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Speaker 4: who are like Jason He shot five of twenty one.

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Speaker 4: Look the form on his shot, Guys, take a time out,

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Speaker 4: take a deep breath. He played thirty two minutes last night. Okay,

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Speaker 4: this guy's been working for the last decade to get

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Speaker 4: to this moment. As a young guy. Of course, he

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Speaker 4: had butterflies. I will point out he shot eighty four

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Speaker 4: percent from the line at Duke last season. Okay, three

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Speaker 4: point shooting. You know how you shoot free throws as

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Speaker 4: a better descriptor of how your three point shooting could go.

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Speaker 4: Cooper's gonna be fine from three shot thirty eight percent

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Speaker 4: be fine. I just think the overreaction and this whole

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Speaker 4: like he's Andre Carolinko.

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Speaker 3: Can we stop with that nonsense. It's just goofy.

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Speaker 4: People forget when it comes to the draft, it's not

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Speaker 4: about what you are, it's about what you can be.

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Speaker 4: I've tried to hammer this home in the NFL. I

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Speaker 4: try to hammer this home in the NBA. Nobody cares

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Speaker 4: about what vj. Edgecomb is as a rookie in Philly.

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Speaker 4: He's drafted super high because what's he gonna be in

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Speaker 4: three four, five years. We've got him on the rookie deal.

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Speaker 4: What can he be? Well, I'm here to tell you.

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Speaker 4: Cooper flag to me. I look at him, and I

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Speaker 4: see a young Kevin Garnett. And I know everybody who's

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Speaker 4: gonna hear that and see it online is gonna say, well,

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Speaker 4: wait a minute, Kevin Garnett wont an MVP. Kevin Garnett

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Speaker 4: was leading in the league in rebounds for four straight years. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: when he's like twenty seven Cooper Flag at eighteen, it's

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Speaker 4: better than Kevin Garnett was at eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Garnett's rookie year.

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Speaker 4: He was fine. Cooper Flag will be better because he's

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Speaker 4: more of an advanced player at this juncture. Now the

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Speaker 4: question becomes will he continue to improve the way Yannis,

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Speaker 4: the way Yo Kisch, the way kg Those guys improved dramatically.

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Speaker 4: Guys like Lebron and Luca came in not as finished products,

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Speaker 4: but they were different. Okay, Luca was like twenty one

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Speaker 4: seven and six as a rookie. Lebron I think was

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Speaker 4: like averaging nineteen point five boards, five assists. Those are

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Speaker 4: other worldly numbers. Extraordinary players, historic greats. I think Cooper

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Speaker 4: Flag can get there. He's obviously not there yet. But

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Speaker 4: can we please stop overreacting to him shooting five of

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Speaker 4: twenty one in what he called one of the worst

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Speaker 4: games of his life. Here's Cooper Flag on his Summer

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Speaker 7: I just kind of really get into a rhythm. You know,

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Speaker 7: it's a different environment, you know, I think it's obviously

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Speaker 7: very different college. It's probably very different from what you

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Speaker 7: know the real ND is. That'd be like, I'm not

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Speaker 7: necessarily worried, but obviously just not happy with that win,

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Speaker 7: but you know, and the day would get the way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, listen, the win matters, I'm sure to

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Speaker 4: wants to start his career with a win. I'll just say,

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Speaker 4: I see a guy who does everything well at eighteen,

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Speaker 4: and that frankly terrifies me. Winning and what he is,

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Speaker 4: he's a winning player. I mean, don't let's not bring

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Speaker 4: up the loss to Houston that costs me a lot

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Speaker 4: of money in the NCAA tournament. That was not on

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Speaker 4: Cooper Flag. He's got to get the ball. And oh,

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Speaker 4: by the way, just one last thing for the basketball

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Speaker 4: hoop head's out there. Go look at the reel of

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Speaker 4: Cooper Flag last night. Every time he got in the lane,

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Speaker 4: two three defenders waiting for not gonna happen. In the NBA, folks,

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Speaker 4: he'll be surrounded by real NBA players like Klay Thompson

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Speaker 4: who you can't leave open, like PJ. Washington, who becomes

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden a good shooter. When he's around

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Speaker 4: Luca and Kyrie, he's gonna have NBA players around him.

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Speaker 4: You're not gonna be able to clog the lane. And

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Speaker 4: Cooper Flag's gonna be duncan on a lot of people

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Speaker 4: and have a really good rookie year. All right, I

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Speaker 4: want to pivot now to a story that was just

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Speaker 4: breaking right before we came on air about a fractured

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Speaker 4: relationship between the Lakers and Lebron James. Now, if you've

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Speaker 4: been paying attention for a couple of weeks, it's been

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Speaker 4: smelling a little funky in LA.

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Speaker 3: Things have not been trending well.

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Speaker 4: And according to a big deep dive from Brian Windhorst

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Speaker 4: you can see from his actions that he's not thrilled

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Speaker 4: Windhorst is a great reporter and I know him well,

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Speaker 4: and Ramona Shelburn, they're good, they're buttoned up. This is

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Speaker 4: top level stuff. This isn't transactional reporting. They are handed

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Speaker 4: fish for. And it sounds like the gist of it

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Speaker 4: is Hey, Lakers, Let's remember a few things here. Lebron

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Speaker 4: picked the Lakers. Lebron dragged the Lakers out of the wilderness.

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Speaker 4: Everybody wants to remember. Kobe's final game was awesome. It

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Speaker 4: Lakers were a dumpster fire.

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Speaker 3: It was the worst.

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Speaker 4: Stretch in franchise history. Lebron saved them. He pulled them

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Speaker 4: out of that disaster, okay, and within a couple of

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Speaker 4: Lebron saved the Lakers franchise. That's not hyperbole, that's fact.

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Speaker 4: He ages into his forties, Lebron is feeling like the

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Speaker 4: love is not quite there anymore and the focus is

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Speaker 4: on the new shiny toy Luka Doncic. And this article

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Speaker 4: really articulates how there was a big whine and dine

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Speaker 4: and Lebron didn't get the invite. Maybe he has got

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Speaker 4: lost in the mail. And it was basically, how can

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Speaker 4: we move forward, here's our game players that we want

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Speaker 4: would feel salty. He was a second team All NBA. Guys,

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Speaker 4: he's the greatest player in the history of basketball, and

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Speaker 4: he was awesome last year at this age, Like, can

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Speaker 4: we respect him a little bit now? From the Lakers camp,

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Speaker 4: they will certainly push back, Well, well, wait a minute, Lebron,

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Speaker 4: what are you talking about last year? You want us

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Speaker 4: to draft your boy bronni We drafted him last year.

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Speaker 4: You want a JJ Reddick as head coach, We got him.

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Speaker 4: So we're still catering to you, my guy. You're still

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Speaker 4: in our game plan. But the problem is things have

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Speaker 4: changed since last summer. The Luka Doncics trade changed everything.

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Speaker 4: Remember before the Lakers were like, oh, we can build

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Speaker 4: around Anthony Davis going forward. As Lebron gets into his forties,

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Speaker 4: ad will be our centerpiece. Lakers had an opportunity to

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Speaker 4: get younger and better and they did that.

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Speaker 3: And it's pretty clear.

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Speaker 4: There's some mending of fences to be done with Lebron

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Speaker 4: and Jovann Buja, who covers the Lakers closely. He was

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Speaker 4: on here yesterday talking about this relationship. Lebron wants him

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Speaker 4: to spend all the picks here's Jovann talking about the issues.

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Speaker 8: This is the first time you could say in Lebron's

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Speaker 8: career he hasn't been the sole focus or the primary

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Speaker 8: focus of his franchise that.

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Speaker 4: He's been on.

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Speaker 8: Like even with Ad, it was all like it was

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Speaker 8: always Lebron trying to pass the baton to Ad. Luca

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Speaker 8: just came in and got the baton, right.

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Speaker 4: I get it. He's a guy who's about to.

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Speaker 4: But their title window it's smaller than you think because

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Speaker 4: quickly pivot to the Oklahoma City Thunder. Congratulations guys, you

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Speaker 4: This is staggering. So they win the championship, obviously, win

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Speaker 4: I'm just telling you, guys, the NBA over the last

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Speaker 3: No, no turn on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the headline.

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Speaker 5: I think the other interesting thing we kind of touched

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Speaker 6: So that's going to be something interesting to keep an

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Speaker 5: Jumps for like all the guys that they've paid. Okay,

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Speaker 6: Stands ahead of the twenty twenty five season.

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Speaker 4: I'm healthy.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't have the playoff success. He's two and five

433
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Speaker 5: but hasn't won a divisional round. The Cowboys in general

434
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 5: haven't had the playoff success. They haven't made the NFC

435
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Speaker 5: Championship game J Mack since nineteen ninety five.

436
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Speaker 6: That's thirty years.

437
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Speaker 5: They have the longest NFC Championship game playoff drought. Last

438
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Speaker 5: time that they were in is when they won the

439
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 5: Super Bowl at ninety five. That means every other team

440
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 5: in the NFC has gotten to the championship game over

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Speaker 5: the cow since the Cowboys have last been there. I'm

442
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Speaker 5: not buying Cowboys stock until he's showed me something.

443
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Speaker 4: Will Dak Prescott win another playoff game with the Cowboys.

444
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Speaker 5: I mean, they got a lot of new this year,

445
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 5: their first time head coach. Right, they did get him

446
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 5: another weapon in George Pickens, But he's a bit of

447
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Speaker 5: a we've heard, Well.

448
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Speaker 3: They don't it's a contract.

449
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Speaker 5: How is he going to be a number two behind

450
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 5: Ceedee Lamb too? Like, and he's going to have like

451
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 5: ten times the amount of spotlight on him now that

452
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 5: he's a Cowboy opposed to when he was a Steeler.

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Speaker 5: So like everything's going to be picked apart. Yeah, it's interesting.

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Speaker 6: I mean I.

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Speaker 4: Don't know if the Deck will win another playoff game

456
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Speaker 4: in Dallas. Whoa, he's probably only got two years left.

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Speaker 4: I mean they're making the playoffs this year, I don't

458
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Speaker 4: think so.

459
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Speaker 5: And then next no, I mean if Philly Commanders, I

460
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 5: mean I think they finished what third in the NFL

461
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Speaker 5: in the division?

462
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Speaker 4: Yeah, in the division, probably not gonna cut it given

463
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Speaker 4: the Vikings, Packers, Lions, Bears could be in the mix, Rams,

464
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Speaker 4: Niners tough. Yeah, I don't, I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't I don't either, which is and again first

466
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Speaker 5: time head coach. Yeah, like there's a lot of SHODDI

467
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Speaker 5: who said that he's still developing, Like they're just weird.

468
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Speaker 3: A lot of weird.

469
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Speaker 6: Energy coming out of Cowboys camp.

470
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Speaker 5: So again, I'm not buying stock. I'll believe it when

471
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Speaker 5: I see it. Okay, let's move to la crazy story

472
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 5: from the Chargers, where offseason addition Najie Harris apparently suffered

473
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Speaker 5: an eye injury on the fourth of July. According to

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Speaker 5: his agent, Harris has a superficial eye injury after a

475
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Speaker 5: fireworks mishap, but the expectation is that he'll be ready

476
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Speaker 5: for the upcoming season. Chargers have declined to comment on

477
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 5: the matter. Now, he's not the first and he's not

478
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Speaker 5: going to be the last of Fourth of July accidents.

479
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Speaker 5: I mean, remember when Jason Pierre Paul lost his index finger,

480
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Speaker 5: part of his thumb and a fireworks.

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Speaker 6: I just I don't what are people.

482
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Speaker 5: Going to understand It is not safe to play with fireworks,

483
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Speaker 5: especially when you use your hands for your career. Like again, like,

484
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 5: it's not totally clear what this eye injury is, but

485
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Speaker 5: if you lose any part of your vision.

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Speaker 3: That's your career.

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Speaker 6: A superficial eye injury, what does that mean? I don't know.

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Speaker 5: That's what they're like, and the Chargers aren't commenting on it,

489
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 5: and they only signed him to a one year deal,

490
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 5: so like, your future is not guaranteed past the season.

491
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Speaker 5: Plus the Chargers they drafted Hampton out of North Carolina,

492
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Speaker 5: Like it's they already have their future, They're already thinking

493
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Speaker 5: of their future.

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Speaker 4: So the San Francisco Chronicle had a story about this. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it happened at like twelve twenty, you know, like early morning.

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Speaker 4: I'm guessing there was some partying going on. One of

497
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Speaker 4: the guys in the crew lost a couple fingers. But

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Speaker 4: I hear superficial eye injury, and I'm kind of like

499
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Speaker 4: you have. I don't know what that means.

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Speaker 6: Did it brush your eye? You can't see it? Like again,

501
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 6: if you lose any part of your vision.

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Speaker 4: So wait, it's July eleven. Has happened six days ago.

503
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Speaker 4: If it was superficial, just coming front the camera, I'm fine.

504
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 4: I can't wait to get ready to start the season.

505
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 4: Liter like hiding ARLs, what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 3: Superficial?

507
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 4: Super The fun story is this, not that this is funny,

508
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 4: but yesterday, I guess just started to blow up online

509
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Speaker 4: and it was in certain pockets and there were some.

510
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Speaker 3: Text threads going around here. Naja Harris might have lost.

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Speaker 4: An eye, and it's like, Okay, well we gotta wait,

512
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 4: and I guess one article prompted Schefter and others to

513
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 4: finally hit up the agent and they were like, Okay,

514
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 4: here we go. But like it almost feels like they

515
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 4: were trying to hide this story. Definitely, but it just

516
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Speaker 4: got out somehow.

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Speaker 6: Definitely. I mean, what is a superficial eye injury? Anything

518
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Speaker 6: to your eye?

519
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Speaker 5: You can't see if you can't if you don't have

520
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 5: your full vision in a job where you need your

521
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 5: full vision, like that could be your.

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Speaker 4: Freep messing around fireworks. I never had fireworks.

523
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Speaker 5: I had this fear like when people told me things

524
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 5: when I was young, it like stuck with me. And

525
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 5: I grew up in an all wood house and my

526
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 5: mom was like, fireworks could burn down the house. So

527
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 5: in my mind I equated fireworks with our house burning down.

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Speaker 6: So I was like, never.

529
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Speaker 5: Wanted to do it. We had a fireman who lived

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Speaker 5: on a block, so like he would do the fireworks

531
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Speaker 5: on the block growing up, but I never I don't

532
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 5: like things that are that are dangerous, like I'm afraid

533
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Speaker 5: of knives. I don't like sharp items. I don't like fireworks,

534
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Speaker 5: Like life is good.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't like it.

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00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 6: I don't need to.

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Speaker 3: Okay, how about this?

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Speaker 4: Do you do at amusement parts? Do you do the

539
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 4: scariest rods? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Okay, love rollercoasters, grill definitely love the thrill like those

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Speaker 5: are tested though.

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Speaker 6: Oh so another little.

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Speaker 4: Safe for them, by the way, was labeled as a

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00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 4: high grade firework.

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00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 3: Yes, what are we talking like?

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00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 4: An M eighty?

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00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: I don't know, guys, I don't know. Just going forward.

548
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: People do be smart.

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00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: It's let other people mets around the works, not you

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Speaker 4: watch it.

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00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, watch the watch safe. You use your hands in.

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Speaker 6: Your eyes for your career. Yeah, it's just it's heartbreaking, honestly.

553
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 5: But let's finish In the NBA, where Steph Curry is

554
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 5: entering his seventeenth NBA season and has been fielding questions

555
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 5: about his NBA future. At thirty seven years old, Curry

556
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 5: has two years left on his current contract and recently

557
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 5: told The Athletic that he doesn't know how much longer

558
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 5: he has left, adding that he's taking it two years

559
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 5: at a time, obviously referencing his contract. But is this

560
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 5: kind of like what we've seen Lebron do with his

561
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 5: last few contracts?

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Speaker 6: The one year with the player option.

563
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 5: So you kind of get to gauge where the team

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Speaker 5: is at after a year. I mean, Golden State's chances

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00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 5: this season, all their major pieces are coming right. They

566
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 5: picked up Jimmy Butler last season. We saw potential there

567
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 5: when everyone was how free. But they haven't made any

568
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 5: real big moves this offseason yet. Maybe we're hearing they'll

569
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 5: add Al Horford, but we haven't heard anything yet. And

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Speaker 5: right now, the Warriors odds to win the NBA title

571
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 5: or middle of the pack there plus twenty five hundred,

572
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 5: they're tied with the Hawks.

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Speaker 3: That's tied with the Hawks.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's literally.

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00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 5: Tied for tenth best or middle of the back.

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Speaker 3: It's whoa, there's.

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Speaker 4: Not I mean they won game won in Minnesota, but

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00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 4: Curry got hurt and otherwise they win that series. And

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Speaker 4: I don't know how they would have fared against Okay,

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00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 4: see probably would have lost, but.

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Speaker 6: Amy because that haven't done much right now.

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Speaker 4: With they had the same odds as the Hawks. Yeah,

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00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 4: that's wild. Yeah, I'm bullish on the Hawks, but not

584
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: that bullish.

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00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess they're in the East ten best.

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00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 4: But this whole taking it two years at a time,

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00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 4: it's interesting because in that Lebron article, Lebron was upset

588
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 4: the Lakers didn't come to him with the contract offer

589
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 4: as like an extension. So I wonder if Golden State

590
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 4: would do that with Curry.

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Speaker 5: I just different though I like it because you have

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00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 5: to remember, like Golden State was a dynasty for eight years.

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00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 5: They won what was it four titles in eight years

594
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 5: in an eightth something around that, Like, and.

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Speaker 6: He was he's the face of the franchise. It's different.

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00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 5: It's different when you are and have always been the franchise.

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00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 5: So I think he might be treated a little differently

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00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 5: Warriors stuff with Lebron.

599
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: And they drafted him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like I guess maybe if Yannis came over

601
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: via trade, then you start to build around Yiannis and

602
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: you face Kurry out, which isn't right.

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00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 5: Again, I think there would be a respect factor of

604
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 5: like where do you want to go? Do you want

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00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 5: to go somewhere else? Do you want to stay here?

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00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 5: Well you would think that, but the Lakers aren't doing

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00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 5: that with Lebron. Different though different. This is like someone

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00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 5: who like made your franchise what it is.

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00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 4: Well, Lebron got the Lakers back to what.

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Speaker 5: They did but like he also is with two other franchises,

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00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 5: and he's been a bunch of other places, and it's

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00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 5: new ownership, Like you also have to remember the Lakers,

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Speaker 5: it is new ownership. He signed on with the Bus family,

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Speaker 5: which is like family friendly deals. This is a completely

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Speaker 5: new situation, almost a new team with the Lakers since

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Speaker 5: Lebron signed on. As you mentioned, like once they got

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Speaker 5: Luca mid season, everything changed and then this off season

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Speaker 5: it's new ownership.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all different. Seven thirty seven.

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Speaker 4: I could see him playing the Lebron's forty like he's

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Speaker 4: still Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 5: The way he played, the way he plays the game,

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Speaker 5: like it allows him, I think, to play with shooters.

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Speaker 3: Have a longer look at that.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, got highest career points per game post thirty five,

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Speaker 4: Katie Lebron Curry. Yeah, that's incredible.

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Speaker 3: It's great.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I hope people he's one of my multime

629
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Speaker 5: favorite players.

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Speaker 6: Obviously it's my cousin. We share the last name.

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Speaker 5: So so I told Maty it's so funny.

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Speaker 3: That's after thirty five.

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Speaker 4: So Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Isaiah Tom they were all

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00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 4: done by thirty five.

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00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: Yea, like non factors, it's different than elite.

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00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 5: It's different now because everyone takes such like intense care

637
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 5: of their body is by what they eat, how they train,

638
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 5: how they work out the off season regime. It's just

639
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 5: a different lifestyle now, which is why we're able to

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00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 5: see these athletes play into their forties.

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Speaker 3: Alex with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 3: Coming up next, we're going to Vegas.

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Speaker 4: Did Cooper Flag live up to the hype last night

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Speaker 4: in Vegas? We'll talk about that next.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back, great.

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00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 4: Game last night from Cooper Flag. I know the shooting

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Speaker 4: numbers weren't there, but we're going live to Vegas right

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Speaker 4: now to talk to Martin Medina, who covers the NBA.

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Speaker 4: He was court sided for Brownie versus Cooper Flag. We'll

655
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Speaker 4: get to the bronny level aspect of it in a minute, but.

656
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Speaker 3: Mark, I want to start Cooper Flagg.

657
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Speaker 4: Your first impressions not talking to people, just you watching

658
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Speaker 4: the game court side in Vegas last night.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, j Max, similar to what you just said, Yes,

660
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Speaker 10: he didn't shoot the ball well ten points, five to

661
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Speaker 10: twenty one from the field, didn't make a three, but

662
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Speaker 10: he had a complete game all the way around, six boards,

663
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Speaker 10: four assists, three steals, one block. Loved his competitive juice.

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Speaker 10: I think the fact that he was able to defend

665
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Speaker 10: it multiple positions, move really up and down the court

666
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Speaker 10: pretty fast.

667
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Speaker 11: It's a lot of good signs to come.

668
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Speaker 10: And even with it being Summer League and you take

669
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Speaker 10: it for what it's worth, it's got Mark Cuban pretty giddy.

670
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Speaker 10: I mean, he was talking about how he has a

671
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 10: step back shot that reminds him of Dirk Novinsky. He

672
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Speaker 10: has a lot of competitive juices like Kobe Bryant. So, yeah,

673
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Speaker 10: the shooting wasn't there, but everything else was. So this

674
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Speaker 10: is just the beginning of what should be a pretty

675
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Speaker 10: fun career to follow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is what's difficult about the Cooper flag discussion.

677
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Speaker 4: Everybody wants to say, well, wait, jerk Noovisky, he's not there. Well,

678
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Speaker 4: obviously he's eighteen. It's not about what he is now,

679
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Speaker 4: it's about what he can be. I've said Kevin Garnett.

680
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Speaker 4: But hearing you talk about Mark Cuban gushing about Kobe,

681
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's next level stuff we don't normally hear that.

682
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Speaker 4: Is this just your typical hype machine or is there

683
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Speaker 4: a lot more behind this?

684
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Speaker 10: Well, Mark Cuban always likes to feed the hype machine,

685
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Speaker 10: but I think there is some context.

686
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Speaker 11: He made it clear he's not comparing him to Kobe Bryant.

687
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Speaker 11: They have completely different games.

688
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Speaker 10: Kobe, he was very much having a scores mentality even

689
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Speaker 10: though he had a balanced game. Cooper Flag is pretty

690
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Speaker 10: much all around where Mark Cuban came up with. The

691
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Speaker 10: Kobe idea was just more of his trajectory. Even though

692
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Speaker 10: we know Kobe Bryant as this five time NBA champion,

693
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Speaker 10: one of the best players ever in the league, it

694
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Speaker 10: took him a while to develop. He got drafted out

695
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Speaker 10: of high school, but he didn't start most of his

696
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Speaker 10: games his rookie season, so he became a very very

697
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Speaker 10: special player. But I think Mark's point is because Cooper

698
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Speaker 10: Flag is on a team with Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis,

699
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Speaker 10: Klay Thompson, he's not going to have the same kind

700
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Speaker 10: of pressure as most number one picks have to carry

701
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Speaker 10: a franchise and beat that franchise savior right away. He

702
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Speaker 10: can kind of grow organically as well as Leon and

703
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Speaker 10: all those players as mentors, and so that's where the

704
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Speaker 10: comparison lies.

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Speaker 11: But the game itself is completely different.

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Speaker 4: So let me ask. It looked like they wanted him

707
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Speaker 4: to handle a lot last night, and he did. I mean,

708
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Speaker 4: I know the Lakers double team did, and we're really

709
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Speaker 4: physical with him, which is a little while. But what

710
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Speaker 4: do you anticipate him playing. Obviously, is just one summer

711
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Speaker 4: league game, But I thought all to talk about him

712
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Speaker 4: maybe being a point guard was goofy. But the way

713
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Speaker 4: he played last night, you know, and we have positionless

714
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Speaker 4: basketball now, you play with multiple guards. If Max Christy

715
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Speaker 4: Clay and Cooper Flag start in the back court, there's

716
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Speaker 4: no point guard per se.

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Speaker 3: But do you think he starts.

718
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Speaker 4: I thought he would come off the bench as a rookie,

719
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Speaker 4: at least for the first half of the season.

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Speaker 10: I think it's all fluid, but I don't want to

721
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Speaker 10: be surprised if he starts, because we have to keep

722
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Speaker 10: a few things in mind. One, Cooper Flag is really

723
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Speaker 10: good at a lot of good things. One Two, Jason

724
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Speaker 10: Kidd is trying to make him feel comfortable with running

725
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Speaker 10: the offense and really make him feel empowered to allow

726
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Speaker 10: him to make decisions on the court without any fear

727
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Speaker 10: of making mistakes. And three, Kyrie Irving is not going

728
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Speaker 10: to be with the Mavericks to start the season. He

729
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Speaker 10: has at ACL injury. You never know timeline specifically at

730
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Speaker 10: this point, but most players that are coming back from

731
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 10: ACL injuries the previous season is to do not come

732
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Speaker 10: back until middle of the season. So it's inevitable that

733
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Speaker 10: he's going to have a heightened role. So even when

734
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Speaker 10: you add in the fact that they got D'Angel Russell

735
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Speaker 10: in the offseason, he's a really good point guard. They

736
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Speaker 10: have a lot of good depth around him. They're going

737
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Speaker 10: to really lean on Cooper Flag to fill a lot

738
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Speaker 10: of different roles.

739
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Speaker 4: Actually, you're right, Dangel Russell probably starts a point but

740
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Speaker 4: my gosh, that's not going to be for long. Moving

741
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Speaker 4: all right, let's move to the other side of the

742
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Speaker 4: MAVs Lakers game last night. As Bronnie, I know, sample

743
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Speaker 4: size is tiny. The Bronnie I've watched so far in

744
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Speaker 4: the summer League, whether it was versus the Warriors and

745
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Speaker 4: whatever that California thing was, I see a totally different player.

746
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying he's a starter or a six man.

747
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Speaker 4: He just looks like a much much better player than

748
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Speaker 4: he did last year.

749
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I completely agree. Much different player.

750
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Speaker 10: Obviously, California Classic Las Vegas Summer League, much different comparison

751
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Speaker 10: than an actual NBA regular season game. But I think

752
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Speaker 10: that from what you saw last year and Brownie's Summer

753
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 10: League debut, you've seen a lot better shooting. You see

754
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Speaker 10: Bronni hitting some shots here to open the night. He's

755
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Speaker 10: a lot more aggressive, He's a lot more decisive. He

756
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Speaker 10: was really gained into it with Cooper Flag trying to

757
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Speaker 10: size him up defensively despite having that size disadvantage so

758
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Speaker 10: much that I think that he did force a turnover.

759
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Speaker 10: The officials called him for a foul, but I think

760
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Speaker 10: that he got a steal. So what this means for

761
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Speaker 10: next season, who knows. He didn't get a lot of

762
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Speaker 10: playing time beyond that debut with Lebron James opening night,

763
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Speaker 10: but there is a pathway for him to at least

764
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Speaker 10: be at the end of the rotation.

765
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Speaker 11: Because he has a great practice player.

766
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Speaker 10: He's all about the right habits, and he doesn't have

767
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Speaker 10: any kind of sense of entitlement, even though you know

768
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Speaker 10: Lebron is his dad. He is very coachable and is

769
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Speaker 10: someone that really tries to, you know, chip away at

770
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Speaker 10: his different weaknesses. But the biggest thing that he's shrying

771
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Speaker 10: to really lean on with his calling card is defense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's why, you know, in our morning meeting,

773
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Speaker 4: I was like, Hey, is there a world where you

774
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Speaker 4: know Bronnie fashions himself as.

775
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: Like a TJ McConnell.

776
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Speaker 4: And I know some people will scoff and be like,

777
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Speaker 4: come on, no way, TJ McConnell. Yes, he had like

778
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 4: eighteen points in a quarter of the NBA Finals. That's

779
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Speaker 4: veteran TJ McConnell. I'm saying, a young one who's an

780
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Speaker 4: energy guy coming off the bench, give me ten to

781
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Speaker 4: eighteen minutes a night. You don't need a lot of shots.

782
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Speaker 4: I want ninety four feet of defense, harassment energy. Can

783
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Speaker 4: he be that guy as like a number nine or

784
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Speaker 4: ten guy in the rotation?

785
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Speaker 10: Well, Jay MC, I don't see that right now because

786
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 10: of his skill set. But I remember, even before he

787
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 10: got drafted, talking to some executives about what his trajectory

788
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 10: could be, and they all acknowledged the unknown, but they

789
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 10: said the very worst that because of the intangibles I

790
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 10: talked about and his professionalism, work ethic, that he could

791
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Speaker 10: carve out a pretty good career being an end of

792
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Speaker 10: a rotation guy, because you need good practice players. You

793
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 10: need guys that don't cause problems when you're playing time

794
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 10: is sporadic. And I think the third point is that

795
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Speaker 10: they didn't want to necessarily put a ceiling on specifically

796
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Speaker 10: if he could be a rotation guy or not, because

797
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Speaker 10: a lot of times players in those positions they always

798
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 10: overachieve because of their work ethic and practice have it.

799
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Speaker 10: So you know, let's be clear, no one's mistaking that

800
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 10: Browny could have an all star kind of caliber career,

801
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 10: but as far as you know where it ends up

802
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Speaker 10: being the end of the rotation or being part of

803
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Speaker 10: a rotation coming off the bench, it very well could

804
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Speaker 10: happen depending on how discipline he continues with his.

805
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Speaker 11: Work hapets and his attitude. So far, so good.

806
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 4: Let me ask the thunder just locked up sga Chet

807
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: and J Dubb for eight hundred and twenty two million

808
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 4: dollars worth of contracts.

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Speaker 3: Mark.

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Speaker 4: I don't know who you're listening to, but all I

811
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 4: heard leading up to free agency was this could be

812
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Speaker 4: the wildest craziest free agency. Since twenty nineteen, there's been

813
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 4: like no movement. It was a Kevin Durant mouse turner.

814
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Speaker 4: That's it. Nothing else spicy. Interesting. Did this new collective

815
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Speaker 4: bargaining agreement kind of kill free agency? Because even though

816
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 4: the thunder are retaining all their guys, they're going to

817
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 4: be in the second apron and the repeater and all

818
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 4: that stuff in a few years and then have to

819
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Speaker 4: dismantle this thing the way the Celtics are. So, I

820
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Speaker 4: don't know, there's a lot there your thoughts on free

821
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 4: agency and what's happening because it hasn't been as exciting

822
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Speaker 4: as anticipation.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, the NBA indirectly eliminated free agency once

824
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Speaker 10: they allowed players to become eligible for Supermax extensions before

825
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Speaker 10: the end of their contract actually expired, and the thought

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Speaker 10: process what with that was allowing teams to have a

827
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Speaker 10: better opportunity to retain their stars number one and number

828
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Speaker 10: two to avoid the scenario when star players are playing

829
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Speaker 10: the final year of the contract.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of.

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Speaker 10: Oxygen stucked out of the room as far as in

832
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Speaker 10: the locker room, the uncertainty on if he's going to

833
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Speaker 10: stay or not and how that final season could dictate things.

834
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Speaker 10: But as a result of that, you're not having these

835
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Speaker 10: elaborate free agent pitch meetings that were used to seeing

836
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Speaker 10: with star players. You're not seeing those star players' decisions

837
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Speaker 10: create a domino effect with the rest of the role

838
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Speaker 10: players once free agency starts in early July or late June.

839
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Speaker 10: So yeah, all the actions already taken care of well

840
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Speaker 10: before that. And really, what's happened with these extension talks

841
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Speaker 10: is even if a player has a misgiving or a

842
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 10: team has a misgiving, nine times out of ten, they

843
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 10: signed the extension for the player because of the money

844
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 10: for the team, because they can solve that problem later

845
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 10: when they have to. It's much easier to have some

846
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 10: level of commitment now and deal with any potential tough

847
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Speaker 10: choices later down the line.

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Speaker 4: All right, last one, we got about a minute left.

849
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Speaker 4: Devin Booker just signed a two year deal basically paying

850
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Speaker 4: him seventy two and a half million dollars for each

851
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Speaker 4: of the next two seasons. I'm happy for Devin Booker.

852
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 4: I'm sure he's going to buy a bunch of new,

853
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 4: cool cars. But I'm going to ask you, is this

854
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 4: a terrible contract or an awful contract? Because it makes

855
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 4: no sense for the sounds Mark I.

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Speaker 11: Mean none, Jay Mack, you can disagree all you won here.

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00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 11: I think it's actually a good contract. I mean, look,

858
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 11: this Phoenix Suns have not been.

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Speaker 10: Well run in the last few years because of the

860
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 10: top heavy roster and the construction around their star players.

861
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 10: But I think Devin Booker has shown this past decade

862
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 10: since entering the league that he's not a stat filling

863
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 10: guy on a bad team. He's a winning player. I

864
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 10: think it's very telling. When he was on the Olympic

865
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 10: team last year, Steve Kerr described him as my favorite

866
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 10: kind of FIBA player because he can score, he can defend,

867
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Speaker 10: He's very amenable to different roles, and so again, there

868
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 10: was a lot of different issues with injuries, roles with

869
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Speaker 10: everyone else on the Suns. I think Devin Booker was

870
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Speaker 10: really the beacon of consistency everywhere else. So yeah, they

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Speaker 10: have a lot of questions how they build around Devin,

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Speaker 10: but I think that it was a no brainer to secure.

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Speaker 3: All right, good disagreement to wrap up on Friday.

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Speaker 4: All right, Mark Medda, enjoy the rest of the summer league.

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Speaker 3: Cooper flags up again this weekend.

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Speaker 4: We'll talk to you too, buddy.

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Speaker 11: I appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, strong, Devin Booker, take all right, coming

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Speaker 4: up next. Yesterday we did a six pack of NBA teams.

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Speaker 3: Today is the six

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Speaker 4: Pack, A sixer of NFL's Super Bowl teams.