1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: This is the best of two pros and a couple 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Joe with Lamar airings and rating win and Jonas Knots 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: The Bills made a big acquisition in DJ Moore. We 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 2: already opened the show talking about whether or not that 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: actually makes them demonstrably. 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 3: Better or not. 8 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: But it does raise a question to me of there 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: is another team in this division that is coming off 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: of a Super Bowl not named the Buffalo Bills, and 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: that's the New England Patriots. 12 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 3: And I've seen a. 13 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: Couple different conflicting sort of concepts on this, because the 14 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: Patriots coming off of Super Bowl means most of us 15 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 2: feel they should be some kind of way now they're 16 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: in their super Bowl window. 17 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 3: They should be super aggressive, they should do all these things. 18 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: I've seen a couple of guys that I think do 19 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: a good job reporting on the team talk about the 20 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 2: fact that New England is still being very calculated. They 21 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: are treating this offseason like they are a team that 22 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: is building towards something long term. I think that makes 23 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: a lot of sense because now that we're far enough 24 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: from moved from the season, we don't have to it 25 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: doesn't have to be inflammatory to talk about you know, 26 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: whether or not the Patriots are great or whether they 27 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: were just hot. I don't know, but I do think 28 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: that they have to have a really good sense. They 29 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 2: have to be able to look in the mirror and 30 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: have a really good sense of who they are moving 31 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: forward to know the right way to build. 32 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 3: And sometimes that's tough to do. 33 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: Like I mean, you go back to weight loss, like, 34 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: how often does somebody lose a little bit of weight 35 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 2: and then those pants fit so they try and put 36 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: them on, and then you realize the pants don't really 37 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 2: fit right, Like, the Patriots have to be painfully honest 38 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: with themselves in the mirror, not about the result last year, 39 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: but about where their team is when they go into 40 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: this offseason. I'm not sure if they're going to be 41 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: super aggressive or if they're going to stay the course. 42 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 4: Well, and the obvious connection there and I say this 43 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 4: is somebody who covers the Tennessee Titans on a day 44 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 4: by day basis is AJ Brown and Mike Vrabel, which 45 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 4: a lot of people have drawn those connections or tried 46 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 4: to make those connections understanding that the two of them. 47 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 4: I know Aj did an appearance I think it was 48 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 4: with is it Julian Edelman and Gronx Podcas asked, I 49 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 4: can't remember exactly where he popped up where he's talking 50 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 4: about how much he hated Mike Vrabel at the start 51 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 4: of his career because he didn't necessarily understand the way 52 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 4: that Mike coaches, especially young talented players, that he's trying 53 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 4: to find ways to bring bring the best out of it. 54 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 4: And finally you know that that style, AJ came around 55 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 4: on it, and now they have a great relationship despite 56 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,399 Speaker 4: not being on the same team anymore. This this AJ 57 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 4: Brown acquisition potential acquisition, right, there's been nothing reported that 58 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 4: seems to have moved the Eagles off of their position, 59 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 4: and in fact, in fact, Mike Garifolo was on television, 60 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 4: I want to say, last week during the combine saying 61 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 4: quote to this point, they have not gotten to the 62 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 4: point at which the Eagles would make a move specific 63 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 4: to AJ Brown. And the other part of this is 64 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 4: just reading from Garifolo's reporting. In their minds, it's a 65 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 4: Quinn Williams type deal for AJ. We're talking a potential 66 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 4: first round pick with a second round sweetener on it. 67 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 4: That's kind of where it is for the Eagles to 68 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 4: start to consider moving AJ Brown if they don't get 69 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 4: close to that point, or to that point, I don't 70 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 4: think Howie Roseman moves him. So the Quinn Williams deal 71 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 4: for AJ Brown, the Cowboys gave up a twenty twenty 72 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 4: six second round pick, a twenty twenty seven first round pick, 73 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 4: and a defensive tackle Mazzie Smith, who I'm not mistaken 74 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 4: was also a former first round pick in his career. 75 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,119 Speaker 4: That's a pretty significant haul. And you know, I don't 76 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 4: I wouldn't pretend to know the career of Mazzie Smith respectfully. 77 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 4: I'm sure he's a fine player, but I don't know 78 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 4: what that looks like for New England. They're not in 79 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 4: a position to be giving up valuable draft capitol, and again, 80 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 4: their first round pick, it's thirty one, right, it might 81 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 4: as well be a second. So I don't know that 82 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 4: that doesn't drive the deal up further to where they're 83 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 4: having to toss an additional compa And who a player 84 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 4: comp might be for Mozzy Smith on the Patriots roster, 85 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 4: I'm I'm not sure either, Like, is Philadelphia gonna want 86 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 4: Pop Douglas in exchange. 87 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 5: For AJ Brown and a couple of draft picks? I 88 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 5: don't know. I don't. 89 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: I think the easy connection is there to make it, 90 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 4: but it's not something that if the Patriots want to 91 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 4: continue to build their roster in the best way possible, 92 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 4: which is organically through the draft process. As enticing as 93 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 4: the idea and as fun as the idea of AJ 94 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 4: and Mike reuniting might be in New England, certainly for 95 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 4: Patriots fans, you also got to consider what you're trading for. 96 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 4: I AJ's been in Philadelphia longer than he was here 97 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 4: in Tennessee. But I loved my time covering a AJ. 98 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 4: The person is a is somebody who I very much 99 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 4: enjoyed who I think he's a fundamentally good person, despite 100 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 4: some of the eccentricities that may come with his performance 101 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 4: on the field. And I don't know how Philly fans 102 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 4: feel about him. I'm sure more of them love him 103 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 4: than not. But it's it's completely fair to say that 104 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 4: A J. Brown did not did not give his full 105 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 4: effort last year in certain situations, and that's not something 106 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 4: that's going to fly in a place like New England. 107 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 4: It certainly it doesn't fly in a place like Philadelphia 108 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 4: where they're trying to figure it out and he's kind 109 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 4: of got them, he's kind of got them backed into 110 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 4: a corner a little bit because he he does have 111 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 4: I think there are legitimate gripes to why AJ you know, 112 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 4: may feel or act out the way that he does 113 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 4: in certain situations. But that's that's not the kind of player. 114 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 4: That's not the kind of element that I think you 115 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 4: want to add to your young, burgeoning roster in New 116 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 4: England if you think that there are going to be 117 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 4: some moments where he stirs it up just for the 118 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 4: sake of stirring it up. There's also the component that 119 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 4: I don't think a lot of people are talking about, 120 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 4: is that how healthy is he? I mean, he had 121 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: stuff here at the end in Tennessee and it wasn't so, 122 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 4: you know, obviously he's gone on to have an even 123 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 4: statistically better career in Philadelphia than he was with the Titans, 124 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 4: and he's coming off a career worst year. But we 125 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 4: understand that there are some mitigating circumstances to that he 126 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 4: didn't look right last year. And I don't have his medicals. 127 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 4: I'm not in Philadelphia every day, and I don't want to. 128 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 4: I don't want to get into a discussion that that 129 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 4: I don't. I'm not fully armed with all of the 130 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 4: information to have, but there's just something every time I 131 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 4: watched him last year, he just simply didn't look right 132 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 4: outside of the clear lack of effort that was on 133 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 4: the field for them in a couple of different instances. 134 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 4: I think all of those are fair criticisms of AJ 135 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 4: even though I acknowledge he is still an excellent player 136 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 4: at a very important position that would benefit the Patriots 137 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 4: if they were able to acquire him for a hell 138 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 4: of a lot less than we're talking about here. 139 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Eagles are trying to get it done for 140 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 3: the ones who get it done. 141 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: Granger offers access to over a million products in the 142 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: scale to deliver when and where you need them the 143 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: right tools and supplies, never far away. Call or click 144 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: Grainger dot com or just stop buy. It's interesting because 145 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: the Patriots get rid of Stefon Diggs. 146 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: They cut him. 147 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: He's not going to be part of the team next year, 148 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: which I don't think is a shocking moment for most people, 149 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: but it does leave sort of an area of concern. 150 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: I have long since. 151 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: Said the minute you as an organization believe you might 152 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: have your answer at quarterback, especially young guys. The first 153 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: thing you have an obligation to do is give them 154 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: as many weapons as possible. I look at quarterbacks that 155 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 2: they're young as like a teeter totter or a seesaw, 156 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: depending on where you grew up right. So in the beginning, 157 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: the quarterback needs all the help, needs all the weight 158 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: that comes from a bunch of weapons. And then you 159 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: hope over time the quarterback becomes the weight and lifts 160 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: everybody else up right. So I don't love as much 161 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: as Drake May. I think had a very good season, 162 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: and we all I'm not sitting here saying Drake May 163 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: isn't the answer. 164 00:07:58,560 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: It's fine. 165 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 2: I just as you know, Buck, I like to take 166 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: three years to make any decisions. I think year three 167 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: is a really big one for these young quarterbacks. What 168 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: I don't want for the Patriots in this process, like, 169 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: I don't want the Patriots to become the Bills who 170 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: we talked about earlier, who even if they love their quarterback, 171 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: they're just rolling them out there saying all right, I 172 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: just make it work with whatever you got. Like, it 173 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: makes sense to me for the Patriots to acquire somebody. 174 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: I think it would make a lot more sense in 175 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: my mind for the Patriots to go all in on 176 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: somebody like Alec Pierce this year. If they're going to 177 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: go in at the wide receiver position, then it would 178 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: AJ Brown simply because Alec is younger. I want somebody 179 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: that can come in and sort of grow with him. 180 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: But I'm not saying Alec is nearly the prospect or 181 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: the player that AJ Brown is. Like AJ Brown's a 182 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: better player, I'm not sure to be consistent, I'm not 183 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: sure I feel that much differently about Alec Pearce than 184 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 2: I did about DJ More earlier, who I said, how 185 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: often do you walk in just scared your taking on 186 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: Alec Pearce, I just I don't know what the Patriots 187 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: are going to do with that position, but I would 188 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: love to see them bringing somebody that can be that 189 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 2: guy for Drake May, because I'm not sure that we 190 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 2: can we can plant the flag on Drake May no 191 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: longer needs help around him. I think most young quarterbacks do, 192 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: especially veteran help, and I mean Drake needs that in 193 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: my mind, So it's important that the Patriots address the 194 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: position somehow. 195 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: To me, be sure to catch live editions of two 196 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: pros and a cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, 197 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: and Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am 198 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 199 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 4: Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington from The Odd 200 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 4: Couple on Fox Sports Radio. 201 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 6: And in addition to hearing us live weeknights from seven 202 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 6: to ten pm Eastern on Fox Sports Radio, we are 203 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 6: excited to announce brand new YouTube channel for the show. 204 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: That's right, you can now watch The Odd Couple live 205 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: on YouTube every day. 206 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 6: All you gotta do search od Couple FSR on YouTube 207 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 6: again YouTube, Just search Odd Couple FSR. 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There is no team in 219 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: all of sports, in all of sports, I don't care 220 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: what sport we're talking about. There is no team in 221 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: all of sports that I hate more than Duke basketball. 222 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: There is no team. Like when I flashback to a little, 223 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: little fat. 224 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: Me as a kid sitting there, you know, grew up 225 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: a UNLV fan. I have one video tape, a one 226 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: tape for my entire life growing up. My parents didn't 227 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: have a camquarder, we didn't have that money, we weren't rich. 228 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: So I have one videotape of my entire life growing up. 229 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: And on the side of it, all it says is 230 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 2: one O three seventy three that would be UNLV beating 231 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 2: Duke for the national championship. I remember where I was 232 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: the next year when a very very very heavily favored 233 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: UNLV team was undefeated and they went into the final 234 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: four a heavy favorite against Duke, and they lost, and 235 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: I cried. I cried, and it stuck with me, and 236 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: I hated Duke like. The first time I ever met 237 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: Jay Will in ESPN, the first thing I told him 238 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: is I hate Duke like I hate Duke. 239 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: I can't say that loud enough that being said. 240 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 4: Not even a hello, how are you great career? I 241 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 4: love your work, just I hate Duke. 242 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 3: I hate Duke. I think it's important to establish these things. 243 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: You know, Jay Will as a friend now, it's but 244 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: he understands he understands my hate sho, So you think, yeah, 245 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 2: that's right, I consider j Will a friend. I'm not sure, 246 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 2: you know. I'll text him to see if he texted 247 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 2: me back. 248 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: We'll get an answer on that. But it just feels 249 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 3: like amazingly John Shire. 250 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: Took over for coach Kruszewski a few years ago and 251 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: something changed. 252 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's. 253 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: The one and done world that we're living in. I 254 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: don't know if it's just Shire has a different approach. 255 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. I just when I 256 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 2: look around and I'm like, where are my brothers and 257 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: sisters in. 258 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 3: Hate of Duke? I don't feel like I have it. 259 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: Like it's interesting that this rivalry maybe feels like a 260 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 2: little less heat to me because I don't think Duke 261 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: right now has a roster full of Christian Latner like 262 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: villains that everybody's obsessed with. It feels like some of 263 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 2: the hatred for Duke has worn off across the sports landscape. 264 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 4: How much do you think the hate was predicated off 265 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 4: of Duke? Because they have had hateable players, right, I 266 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 4: mean that's very much, yes, in their DNA across history, 267 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 4: whether it's Lightner or whether it's J. J. Reddick, Oh 268 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 4: my god, who's the guy that played for the Grizzlies 269 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 4: for a little while, like the Grayson Allen, right, like 270 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 4: they have had and I know that Grayson Allen is 271 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 4: not like the other two, but like you understand my meeting, 272 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 4: they have had hateable players in their history. How much 273 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 4: do you think that hate, though, dissipates because coach k 274 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 4: is not there. Because Shizhevski is also not necessarily endearing. 275 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 4: I mean he's great, right, He's excellent and deserving of 276 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 4: the legendary status that he holds and all the things 277 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 4: that he accomplished across his career, especially at that program. 278 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 4: I mean, he's he's iconic for a reason. But he's 279 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 4: he's got a lot of the I don't know, he's 280 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 4: got a lot of the Belichick stuff to him, right, 281 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 4: just in terms of how he carries himself, the way 282 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 4: that he speaks. Some of these press conference moments that 283 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 4: go that that would make the rounds, whether he's just 284 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 4: snapping in a student reporter or something like that. Like 285 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 4: he's had these moments and Kay is not necessarily I 286 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 4: think after you know, during the retirement to where everybody's 287 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 4: praising and heaping, you know, love and affection on coach Skazhevsky. 288 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 4: But once once he goes, I think, like, I don't 289 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 4: hate John Shire, you know, I don't think that they don't. 290 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 4: They don't seem like the death Star to me anymore. Now, 291 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 4: maybe that's because I've I've never me personally, I've never 292 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 4: had that kind of hatred for Duke as a program. 293 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 5: I know a lot of people have. For me. 294 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 4: That's Kentucky. I have hated Kentucky basketball my entire life. 295 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 4: It's because Indiana and Kentucky, I mean used to be 296 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 4: a rivalry. I feel that way about Purdue. I feel 297 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 4: that way about Kentucky. I do not feel that way 298 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 4: about Duke. So maybe I'm speaking from a place of ignorance, 299 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 4: but that a lot of that seemed too dry up 300 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 4: after Ka retired. 301 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: Well, and to that point, I mean, think about the 302 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: way we used to talk about Alabama football and Nick 303 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 2: Saban Nick Saban over Like, I'm not sure much of 304 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: Saban's stick has changed. It just went from always a 305 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: grumpy coach that nobody likes, like Saban's out here being Saban, 306 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: and now when he's the exact same person on game day, 307 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: it's endearing and it's your papa that everybody wants to 308 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: hang out with, right, Like it's it's it's wild the 309 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: change that comes from, you know, maybe not having the 310 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: same level of dominance too, Like if Shire turns around 311 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: and wins two or three national championships in the next 312 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: five years, It's an interesting portion. 313 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 3: Of American pop culture. This came up the other day 314 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: on one of my. 315 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: Yahu shows, because if anyone hasn't seen it, you should 316 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: look it up. The reception in Japan for Sho hey 317 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: O Tani has been absolutely incredible. They filled a stadium, 318 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: a full on stadium for his batting practice. Right, it's 319 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: like watching Michael Jackson in the heat of the eighties. 320 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: Like when he's over in Japan, everybody's flocking to him. 321 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: They're following him everywhere. He's got security. It's like beatles 322 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: Mania for everything. Show he's doing in Japan, which started 323 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: as sort of a conversation we were having about what 324 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: it takes to be that in here, like who would 325 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: be the American superstar that transcends globally that way? And 326 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 2: one thing that's interesting to me is that in America, 327 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: this is just the way that we've always run our superstars. 328 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: You have to have a certain level of success to 329 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: then where you become loved and hated all at once, 330 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: Like you have to have an equal amount of people. 331 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: It feels like on one side, it's just the way 332 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 3: that we work. 333 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: So like, no matter what Lebron does now for the 334 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: rest of his career, they're gonna be people that are like, oh, 335 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: Lebron's not Michael, I hate Lebron, I hate the decision 336 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: whatever it is. Right, Like Kad suddenly became polarizing because 337 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: he decided to go to Golden State, and you know 338 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: Stu Gotts doesn't acknowledge those championships, right Like Tom Brady. 339 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: Is Tom Brady the ultimate super Bowl Champion? Or is 340 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: he the guy that deflates Pauls and and you know, 341 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: cheats every time he possiblely get Like this is what 342 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: we do with any level of real success, Like you 343 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: have to have a certain level of success success to 344 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: become transcendent in our culture, you have to have a 345 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: certain level of success to where you become both loved 346 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: and hated at the same time. Even like go back 347 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: to music in the eighties, there was one year where 348 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: bon Jovi was voted the best and worst band in 349 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: Rolling Stone in the same year, Like we we have 350 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: to either love or hate something for it to transcend 351 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: and poppy larity and I'm not sure that Duke. Maybe 352 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: Duke needs to win a bunch of championships so then 353 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 2: they're so successful under Shire did they then become again 354 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 2: both loved and hated. 355 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 4: Well, And then there's the component of this game specifically right, 356 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 4: because I do think it has a little bit more 357 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 4: juice if Caleb Wilson was medically clear to play. 358 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 5: It doesn't sound like, at least as of. 359 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 4: Today or yesterday when last there was some reporting on this, 360 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 4: they're star freshman. He's been one of the he's been 361 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 4: one of the biggest reasons why North Carolina hasn't really 362 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 4: been able to climb back up into the second I 363 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 4: understand they're still hanging onto their ranking, but still he's 364 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 4: had a hand fracture at this point, he is He's 365 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 4: a really big piece of this puzzle as far as 366 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 4: making this a more compelling game, kind of bringing that 367 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 4: additional juice to the rivalry. If I'm not mistaken, he's 368 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 4: missed six games since he hurt that left hand, and 369 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 4: I know Hubert Davis was asked about it earlier this 370 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 4: week yesterday in fact, and you know there's individual workout stuff. 371 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 5: That's going on. 372 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 4: I'd be surprised to see him out there this weekend. 373 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 4: So I think that also, at least for this specific 374 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 4: version of that rivalry, is taking a little bit of 375 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 4: juice from it. 376 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: You're right, But as we sit right now in North 377 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 2: Carolina is number seventeen, and as we sit right now, 378 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: Duke's number one. Yeah, and just like Duke's number one 379 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: after going in and what a game against Michigan that 380 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: you know, when Michigan was number one, Duke was three 381 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 2: or four, and everybody was obsessed with what it would 382 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: look like. And you know, Boozer has come out and 383 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: been everything that you could possibly want Booze to be. Right, Like, 384 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: It's just it's funny to me because I I can't 385 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: say that Duke has slept on. That's impossible. They're the 386 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 2: number one team in the country. I just don't remember 387 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 2: the last time Duke was number one taking on UNC, 388 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 2: and it felt like it had this little amount of 389 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: heat and that you know that in part, you're right, 390 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 2: and that's on the North Carolina side for this, But 391 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: these are two ranked teams. North Carolina has the chance 392 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: to sweep Duke this year. North Carolina finished this year 393 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 2: undefeated at home. They have the chance to sweep Duke. 394 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 2: They have the chance to make a massive statement before 395 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: the ACC Tournament in this matchup between two teams that 396 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 2: are both in the top twenty and Duke is number one. Like, 397 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 2: I just feel like most years we would be sitting 398 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: here all week and we would just be drowning in 399 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 2: Duke North Carolina. You know, best of the lineups, best history, 400 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: best matchups, and it just doesn't have that same level. 401 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 3: And I wonder part of. 402 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 2: I think we're onto something here that part of that 403 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: is Shire, and part of it is that Booze as 404 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 2: a star is just it's kind of a likable kid, 405 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: you know, Like he's just he's not Christian Lehtner or 406 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 2: Grayson Allen or change. 407 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 3: Like he's kind. 408 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: Of a likable dude. Like it's fun watching and play. 409 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 2: There's a there's a certain joy to what they're doing. 410 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 2: So it's a it's a change, and I don't know 411 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: if it's good change or bad change. It just feels different, 412 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 2: like growing up watching wrestling in the eighties, which I 413 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: reference all the time with your book, Like one of 414 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: the interesting things was sometimes they be a face and 415 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 2: sometimes they be a heal, Like there'd be a chapter 416 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: where macho Man was a good guy, in chapter where 417 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: macho Man was a bad guy. I think we're in 418 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: the babyface chapter of Duke. I think we're in the 419 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 2: chapter where people like going into this season, this postseason, 420 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: going into this tournament. I don't think you're going to 421 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 2: have the same level of I watch Duke just to 422 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 2: hate watch Duke. I think you've got a lot of 423 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: people out there that are like, oh man, this du 424 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 2: Deep pretty good. 425 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I don't know. 426 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 4: I kind of like that you can you can have 427 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 4: those different phases for a program, Like you don't have 428 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 4: to think the same way about a program its entire 429 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 4: existence or a player that's their entire career. 430 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 5: This is not an uncommon story arc, right. 431 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 4: I think Lebron is a good example of this where 432 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 4: you're lovable in Cleveland, you're hateable. When you go join 433 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 4: up with Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh and Miami, that 434 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 4: you come back to Cleveland, you're the hero again. I 435 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 4: don't really know. You know how much polarization there is 436 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 4: around Lebron's Lakers tenure at this point in time. Brady 437 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 4: the same, right, And we're talking about things that have 438 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 4: obviously achieved at an incredibly high level for their entire careers, 439 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 4: or in the case of Duke, is a basketball program 440 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 4: its entire existence that you can you can go through 441 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 4: these these cycles and and get a different experience in 442 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 4: different eras of whatever it is that you're talking about. 443 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 4: So if Duke gets to be likable for a period 444 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 4: of time very soon, they won't be right. That's just 445 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 4: that's not we don't allow you to be that kind 446 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 4: of I mean, you can't even call them a lovable 447 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 4: underdog or anything like that. They're the number one team 448 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 4: in the country. They're killing people. They have They've won 449 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 4: seven straight since they lost that game to you in 450 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 4: UNC in early I mean, he's a little it'll be 451 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 4: a month ago tomorrow if I'm not mistaken. Followed up 452 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 4: by that neutral court when at Michigan that we talked about, 453 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 4: and then they just drummed Virginia by twenty six after that, 454 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 4: So they've just they've been on a on a tear. 455 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 4: There's no reason a look at Duke and think, oh, lovable, 456 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 4: plucky underdog. 457 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 5: Duke, right, That's not what this is. 458 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 4: But the team itself, the coach, I think just kind 459 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 4: of the vibe that they project is not what you 460 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 4: are you are accustomed to feeling about that specific basketball program, 461 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 4: which I think is fun. 462 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and 463 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: a Cup of joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and 464 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific, 465 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: every single day. 466 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: Right now, it feels like we get a different angle 467 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: and a different opinion and a different story involving whether 468 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: or not the Raiders are about to trade Max Crosby. 469 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 2: And I'm convinced the more we talk about it, Max 470 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: Crosby has become the gannis Ante Tacoumpo of the NFL. 471 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 2: It's bucking fits hanging out for two pros and a 472 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 2: cup of Joey's buck rising. I'm Jason Fitz. You can 473 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: usually hang out with us on Saturday night six to 474 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: eight pm Eastern. We'll also be back here on Monday. 475 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: Book most people know at this point if they've consumed 476 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: me anywhere, then I'm a lifelong, diehard Raiders fan. And 477 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: you know, to be very very very clear, I sat 478 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 2: there at Super Bowl week and I said. 479 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: On one day, Max isn't getting traded. 480 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 2: Maxis said repeatedly that if he has something to say, 481 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 2: he'll say it, and he hasn't said anything. 482 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 3: So I think all. 483 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 2: These rumors are just that, they're just rumors. A day later, 484 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: Jay Glazer came on my show on Yahoo Sports and 485 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 2: shocked me and the world when he said, yeah, I'm 486 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: Max has done. He's never going to play another snap 487 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 2: for the Raiders. He's getting traded. So all of a sudden, 488 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 2: this viral moment, it's one of the more viral moments 489 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 2: for Yahoo Sports, Daley that we've ever had, blows up 490 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 2: and everybody starts saying, but Joe s Eddie wouldn't get tired. Look, 491 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 2: I'm not going to pretend to know at this point. 492 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 2: I stand by the logic that I have that I 493 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: don't think Mark Davis, who cares immensely about being liked. 494 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: I don't think Mark Davis loves the idea of being 495 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 2: the owner that traded away Khalil. 496 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 3: Mack and Max Crosby as an owner. 497 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 2: I don't think Mark Davis, who loves Max Crosby, likes 498 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: the idea of moving on without him. And I think 499 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 2: the Raiders are asking for such an astronomical return because 500 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 2: they don't believe they're going to get it, and as 501 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: a result, the Raiders are going to end up with 502 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: Max Crosby still blame for them this year. That being said, 503 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: everybody I know now has told me that I'm an 504 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: idiot and I'm wrong, and I'm willing to admit that 505 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 2: that's fine. Like, look, I could see this whole thing wrong. 506 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. But what is interesting is that the 507 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: reports don't stop. Mike Silver came out with The Athletic 508 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 2: with the report about Max Crosby and why it's fallen 509 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: apart a lot of which I think made sense Buck 510 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: because he talks about the fact that, my god, it's 511 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: just one thing after another with him, right, Like, I 512 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: think it's fair to say Max Crosby understandably can be 513 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 2: exhausted with the process of being a LAS Vegas Raider 514 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 2: right now. 515 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 4: Well, so how does that make you feel as a 516 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 4: Raiders fan, Fitzy, because I could understand why you would 517 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 4: take the initial approach that you did, and then when 518 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 4: somebody like Jay Laser informs you of, you know, the information. 519 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 5: That he has. 520 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 4: And the one of the many reasons that I respect 521 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 4: Jay Glazer and the work that he does is because 522 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 4: he is very, very judicious and what he puts out there. 523 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 4: And it's not just you know, first to tweet the 524 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 4: transaction type of thing, not knocking guys like Schefter and 525 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 4: Rappaport that do that for a living, but Jay Glazer 526 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 4: plays the insider game in a different way, and I 527 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 4: think his reputation reflects how seriously he takes that dissemination 528 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 4: of information when he has it, because he always has 529 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 4: good stuff. And I mean, when is the last time 530 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 4: that Jay Glazer got something incorrect in these particular situations? So, 531 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 4: and I saw the clip from y Aux Sports Day, 532 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 4: a lot of people did, as you well know, and 533 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 4: he was very it was almost casual in the way 534 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 4: that he was just like, yeah, he's not going to play. 535 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 4: Max Crosby's not going to play for the Raiders at 536 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 4: this point in time, Jay Glazer doesn't just say something 537 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 4: like that casually the way that you know another talking 538 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 4: head like you or me might. He's got the actual 539 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 4: information there to connect the dots and not just go 540 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 4: off an assumption but say, no, this situation is irre irreparable. So, 541 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 4: as a raid, how how do you process something like that? 542 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 4: Understanding the hope that your organization currently has, which is 543 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 4: more than you can say and sometime, I would imagine, 544 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 4: or at least since last offseason where you thought Geno 545 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,479 Speaker 4: Smith and Pee Carroll might actually be able to do 546 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 4: something of consequence there with now the number one overall pick, 547 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 4: with Tom Brady involved heavily in your organization, but your 548 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 4: best player on the roster no longer being satisfied to 549 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 4: be a good soldier in this way or not. He's 550 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 4: not you know, he's not shooting his way out of 551 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 4: the situation per se. But he's you know, he's clearly 552 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 4: messaging to whomever that he's not going to continue to 553 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 4: play this organization. What does that do to you as 554 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 4: a fan? 555 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I understand it. 556 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 2: Like so, if you go all the way back to 557 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 2: the year that the draft was in Vegas at the time, 558 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: I was with ESPN, and. 559 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 3: That's where Max and I met for the first time. 560 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 2: We got tattoos together, right, and so we got tattoos 561 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 2: for a video sequence we did an interview as a 562 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 2: tattoo is an excuse to spend four or five hours 563 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: just shooting, you know what. And so it's funny because 564 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: I said to him at the time, so this is, 565 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 2: you know, NFL draft in Vegas, what twenty twenty. 566 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 3: Around their twenty twenty one whatever it was. I said 567 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 3: to him at the time. 568 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: I was like, man, it's been a crazy year because 569 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 2: they had relocated and it was the year that you 570 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 2: know that Gruden was fired and Basasci had taken over 571 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 2: all these different things. I was a crazy year. And 572 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 2: he laughed at the time and said, crazy year. It's 573 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 2: been a crazy career every single year. There's something crazy 574 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 2: with this organization that was years ago. I mean, you 575 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: think about the fact that he's had five or six 576 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 2: different head coaches, he's had five different gms. I mean, 577 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 2: it's just it's alarming the number of voices he's heard 578 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 2: in a short amount of time. 579 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 3: I wouldn't fault Max for being over it. 580 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 2: I also think that it's it's hard for me because 581 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 2: again Max has said repeatedly on the record, when I 582 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 2: have something to say, I'll say it. And he has 583 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: his own podcast that's very successful. They just reached one 584 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 2: hundred thousand subscribers. He has a show on Sirius XM 585 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 2: with Jim Gray and Tom Brady right like, so he 586 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: has all these opportunities to speak, and ever since all 587 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: of this really blew up, his only answer has. 588 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: Been I just don't want to talk about this anymore. 589 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 2: So it's interesting because I think, if I'm being fair here, 590 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 2: I didn't. 591 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 3: It doesn't surprise me that he's exhausted. 592 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 2: I just think that he could tell the world he's 593 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 2: exhausted and it would get rid of all of this. 594 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 2: But that's just not the way that this is going down. 595 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: And this at some point where there's smoke, there's fire. 596 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 5: Jay. 597 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: Particularly you mentioned Jay, and I want to say that 598 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 2: Jay Glazer knows Max incredibly well. 599 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 3: That's why it had weight for me when Jay said 600 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 3: it on my show. 601 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: If it had been any other insider, if it had 602 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 2: been no disrespect to Adam Schefter, who personally helped change 603 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 2: my life, if it had been shifty, I'd think, well, 604 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 2: you know, somebody feeding shifty information. 605 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 5: Fine. 606 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 2: Jay knows Max incredibly well, so for him to say 607 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 2: that was the first time that I stepped back and said, okay, 608 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 2: this has meaning that being said, I mean when I 609 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 2: read the Silver report. For example, one thing that Mike 610 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 2: Silver points out in his report about why you know 611 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: Max is not content with the Raiders is, you know 612 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: the Guerrero stuff. There's a personal trainer that has worked 613 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: with Tom Brady forever, all the way back to the Patriots, stays. 614 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: We heard all the stories about him being polarizing in 615 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: that building, and you know now he's the eyes and 616 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 2: ears of Tom Brady, according to this report within the 617 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 2: Raiders organization, and according to Silver's report, Max didn't like that. 618 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 2: I read that and thought, oh man, I think a 619 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 2: lot of us read that, thought oh man, that makes sense. 620 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 2: But then I saw Brian Hoyer, the backup quarterback that 621 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 2: played for both the Patriots and the Raiders, quote tweet 622 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 2: that and say, hey, this is surprising to me because 623 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 2: I don't know a single person, a single teammate that 624 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: I ever had that didn't want to get the opportunity 625 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 2: to be treated by Guerrero for ten or fifteen minutes 626 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 2: to the point that there were waiting lists and people 627 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,479 Speaker 2: were trying to get in with them, and it was 628 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 2: like everybody, I know that, all of my teammates. 629 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 3: We all absolutely loved what he did. 630 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 2: And Brian Hoyer also played for the Raiders, so you 631 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 2: think that you know, given and his relationships there. And 632 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 2: then on top of that, the player report cards that 633 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 2: were just leaked the Raiders organization. The players gave the 634 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 2: training staff an A, they gave ownership an A. If 635 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: they had a problem with Brady or Guerrero off the 636 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 2: record right there, they could. 637 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 3: Have dinged both of them. They dinged neither of them. 638 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 3: So I don't know what's real and what's just. 639 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: Conjecture from people that are coming out here trying to 640 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 2: figure out a way to get Max on any other 641 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: team because his career is being wasted on the Raiders. 642 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 4: Mike Silver is very well sourced, So I have no 643 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 4: doubt in my mind that somebody, and I'm certain multiple 644 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 4: people in that organization who maybe aren't players, and again 645 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 4: we're I'm now I'm source guessing, which I really don't 646 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 4: like to do because I think that's a bit of 647 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 4: a flawed exercise. But still, somebody doesn't think that Alex 648 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 4: Guerrero is a good actor in that building right now, 649 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 4: whether that's the players who are receiving treatment from Remember 650 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 4: the line in the Silver Report that said, you know 651 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 4: there that Alex Guerrero would essentially, in not so many words, 652 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 4: threaten people's jobs if they did not listen to what 653 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 4: Alex Guerrero had to say and his level of influence 654 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 4: in that building and what he purported it to be 655 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 4: was the line. So I'm sure that does rub some 656 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 4: people the wrong way, just as it rubbed some people 657 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 4: with the Patriots organization. On the coaching staff famously, Bill 658 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 4: Belichick kicked Alex Guerrero off the sideline, right, if you 659 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 4: are one of these coaches or somebody in that world 660 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 4: that wants more control over the situation, understandably, so some 661 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 4: may be right, so may be wrong in that then yeah, 662 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 4: you probably don't love the idea of Tom Brady's guy 663 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 4: when Tom's not It doesn't sound like Tom's around a 664 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 4: whole lot, right. 665 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 5: He lives in Florida, he's busy with Fox. 666 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 4: So Guerrero kind of feels like Tom Brady's ambassador to 667 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 4: the organization in his in his his you know he's 668 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 4: there to represent Brady's interests in the building, because Guerrero 669 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 4: sounds like he's around a hell of a lot more 670 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 4: than Brady is on a day to day basis. I'm 671 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 4: sure that also rubs some kind of person the wrong way. 672 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 4: This is the and I understand the need for anonymous 673 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 4: sources and reporting, but this is the kind of thing 674 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 4: that you run into. What is the level of these 675 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 4: anonymous sources that are speaking to Mike Silver under the 676 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 4: condition of anonymity because they want their jobs to be protected, 677 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,479 Speaker 4: And what is the actual impact of this. I'm not 678 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 4: saying that Mike Silver would would run a hit piece 679 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 4: or anything like that. And in fact, if I'm not mistaken, 680 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 4: isn't he a Raiders fan? 681 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: No? 682 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, He's not a Raiders fan. 683 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 2: He's covered a lot, written a lot about the Raiders, 684 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 2: but not a Rader, at least not to my knowledge. 685 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 3: I don't know. 686 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know Mike on a personal level. We've 687 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 2: chatted here there, but. 688 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 4: Not in a person I for some reason I thought 689 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 4: he was a Raiders fan. Either way, I know that 690 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 4: Mike would do this story the right way, which again 691 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 4: begs the question, all right, who benefits from having this 692 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 4: story out there, right, the age old question when you 693 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 4: find new information or when new information is being reported on, 694 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 4: all right, who stands to gain from this being out there? 695 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 4: Who is trying to paint Alex Guerrero in an unfavorable light? 696 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 4: And maybe Guerrero has done some of it himself and 697 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 4: that's earned, but it doesn't align with what you're pointing 698 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 4: out about players who have both worked with Guerrero presently 699 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 4: and in the past to appreciate and respect his work. 700 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 4: And also what the NFLPA report cards that were not 701 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 4: supposed to be made public, but then we're immediately made 702 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 4: public since the NFL tried to the NFL ownership tried 703 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 4: to put the kaibash on them that the Raiders received 704 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 4: an A in that. I didn't realize that. That's a 705 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 4: very interesting detail to kind of throw into the mix 706 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,239 Speaker 4: on this and be like, all right, where where is 707 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 4: the disconnect? Where's the disconnect happening here? 708 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Hoyer's tweet and I think it's I'm going to 709 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 2: read it because it's very thorough, says interesting because I've 710 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 2: never experienced anyone who didn't walk away from that treatment 711 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 2: that didn't feel better and have improvement. Matter of fact, 712 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: I had to wait at times for my treatment session 713 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 2: as Alex would try and squeeze in many players and 714 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 2: even coaches who would want to get just ten to 715 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 2: fifteen minutes of treatment from him, both in New England 716 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 2: and in Las Vegas. Speaking from my personal experience, I 717 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 2: was able to play three seasons after torn lateral meniscus 718 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 2: a week before the season in twenty one that I 719 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 2: was told required surgery, and also severe planner faescitas in 720 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 2: twenty three with his treatment principles very specific response to 721 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 2: anonymous sourcing. 722 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 3: So I think all of 723 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 2: This speaks to a greater question, which is why is 724 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,399 Speaker 2: everybody so desperate to have Max Crosby somewhere else