1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to. 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: Around. 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 3: This is a pro wrestling podcast with a hinge of 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 3: pop culture. 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: Joint Battle in. 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 3: Eli, as they'd break down the world of professional wrestling. 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 3: You never know who's gonna stop up now making their 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 3: way to the microphone, enough for the greatest podcast tag 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 3: team in the world, Battle and Ela. 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 4: You know, I would be lying if I didn't say 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 4: that we have a legend, an icon, a guy that 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 4: I luck up to when it comes to wrestling. 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: On the phone with us right now. 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 15 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 5: I mean I really got turned onto it when during 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 5: his second stand with ECW and then when he migrated 17 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 5: over to WWF at the time during the Attitude era. 18 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 5: He was always a highlight for me. I always enjoyed 19 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 5: his spots. 20 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 4: Since so the man, the myth, the legend, Al freaking 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 4: Snow is on the phone with us right now. 22 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 2: Hey, guys, you almost make me sound like I'm sass squat. 23 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's such an hot to have you 24 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 4: on the show. And we were kind of talking. Me 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 4: and Eli were going back and forth, and I was like, 26 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 4: I don't know what I'm going to say to Al 27 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 4: Snow because I looked up to him when I was 28 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 4: growing up watching wrestling, So I'm going to like try 29 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 4: not to fangirl right now, but I probably will mark 30 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 4: out this during this interview. 31 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: Well, I'm very very honored and very flattered. I really appreciated. 32 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 4: Let's kind of, I guess, just jump right into it, 33 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 4: like where did you get your training for wrestling? And 34 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 4: had you always been a fan when it came down 35 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 4: to wrestling. 36 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: I've always been a fan. Made the decision when I 37 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: was fourteen, but that was what I wanted to do, 38 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: and you know, it's insane as that might sound, but 39 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: I was just obsessed and it was a different time, 40 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: very closed, very secular business, you know, And I try 41 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: to make people understand that and use the analogy that 42 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: it and quite legitimately it really was the truth that 43 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: it was easy to become a made man in the 44 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: Bakia than it was to become a professional wrestler back then, 45 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: and especially for a fourteen year old kid, who you know, 46 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: was lucky if he'd even scratched puberty at that point. 47 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: But you know, I persisted and found a guy that 48 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: was really to take responsibility for me, because that ultimately 49 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: was what they would do when they would train us. 50 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 2: That they now carried their reputation around with you, and 51 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: whatever you did reflected on them. And that was why 52 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: people were so reticent to let just anybody in. They 53 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: didn't want to be responsible for him as they screwed 54 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 2: them up, and you know, it would ruin away that 55 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: they can make a living. And started when I was eighteen, 56 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: and I've been doing it for thirty seven years. And 57 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: I've been all over the world and I've got just 58 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: the continent of our Antarctica. All I got to do 59 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: is fly down there, put my feet down on it. 60 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: I've been on all seven continents on the Earth, and 61 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: you know, I think I've probably been the forty three 62 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: forty four war countries, every state in the Union except 63 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: for Alaska. And I've had a blast. I've never had 64 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 2: to grow up, never worked a day in my life, 65 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: has been on vacation, and you know, it's the most 66 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: awesome way to make a living. 67 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 5: Well, I have you beat on one area. I have 68 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 5: been to Alaska. So I'll take it. It's a very, yeah, 69 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 5: very small victory. I'll take it. 70 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 71 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 5: So, I mean, so once you once you got you know, 72 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 5: and I know, training is always you know, you're always 73 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 5: learning and all that stuff. But I mean, once you 74 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 5: were you know, trained, you started wrestling tons of indies 75 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 5: throughout the eighties. Ninety five is really kind of a 76 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 5: standout year for you. You wrestled everybody from Saiboo to 77 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 5: Crispin Wa. You split time between E c W and 78 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 5: Smoky Mountain Wrestling. What was and I put this in quotes, 79 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 5: what was the quote nine w w F landscape like 80 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 5: in those days? Was it kind of still the wild West? 81 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 5: Or was it what was like kind of the end 82 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 5: the year the smaller promotions like back in those in 83 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 5: the mid nineties. 84 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: In the mid nineties, it was it wasn't kind of 85 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: the way it is now. You still had a lot 86 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: of the older generation that had basically broken into and 87 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: had grown up in a business where that was what 88 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: they did for a living and really nothing else. And 89 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 2: the indies were at a point, you know, at that 90 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: time where you could, you know, could still make a 91 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: living on even just the independence. You know, you you know, granted, 92 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: you weren't certainly going to you know, make as massive 93 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: a living because it wasn't as extenso the platform as 94 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: you know, some of the other the national promotions so 95 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 2: off they were. You know, independents were always doing really well. 96 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 2: Wheneber they would run shows, and you know, in most 97 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: parts of the country they would still draw, you know, 98 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 2: several keep each time they ran, so you can keep 99 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 2: yourself busy and make an adequate physion. Back in that time, 100 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: you know, it was a good time. 101 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 4: You know, speaking of another good time, I kind of 102 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 4: want to transition to this because I was scrolling through 103 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 4: Instagram and one of the accounts that I like to 104 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 4: follow is Classic Wrestling, and they actually posted a photo 105 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 4: of you back in the day the other day. So 106 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 4: you moved over to WWE from ninety five to ninety seven, 107 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 4: So you kind of know where I'm about to go 108 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 4: with this. 109 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: How did Leif Cassidy come about? And whose idea was it? 110 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 5: For the new Rockers? 111 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: That was they They had brought me in as avatar. 112 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: You know, Vince was trying to capitalize on the craze 113 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 2: with the power Rangers and with more combat and all 114 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: of those things. And if I knew then what I 115 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: know now, I could have capitalized more on the opportunity 116 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: that was given to me. But I didn't quite get 117 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: it because at that point I'd probably been a heel 118 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: nine percent of my career and now I'm being brought 119 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: in as a baby face with this idea that you know, 120 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: I'm kind of a semi superhero that you know, doesn't 121 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: wear the mask out then don's that had you know, 122 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: have you know the John's And at once he gets 123 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: down there because it's no longer hiding as a vanity, 124 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: you know who he is, and then you get these 125 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: super powers to beat the crap out of somebody, but 126 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: to take it off. But they I think they were 127 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: just trying to find something for me, and I think 128 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: Bruce Pritchard, you know, we saw and kind of got 129 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: the idea that Marty Genetti and I kind of looked 130 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: a little similar, worked in a similar style and they 131 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 2: kind of were directionalist party at the time, and and 132 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 2: me as well, and they put the two us together. 133 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: And you know, Marty's an immensely talented individual. I don't 134 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 2: think he ever gets credit. I say this all the 135 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: time for just how really good he is or was, 136 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, it was, it was. It was 137 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 2: great to be a part of it. I think it 138 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 2: you know, we could have maybe made it into doing more, 139 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: but you know, Marty wasn't as motivated to be a 140 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: part of it, and I think, you know, it's because 141 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: he felt that it kind of was a knock against 142 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: the legacy that he and Sean had made and rightfully 143 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: so I'm not going to say it was long, you know, 144 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: but uh, you know it was. It was a good 145 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: run with him, and then it came to an end. 146 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 5: So after that you went back to A c W. 147 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 5: Approximately ninety seven ninety eight. This was really when the 148 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 5: company was, you know, starting to break out with notable 149 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 5: stars and you know, just the name itself had name recognition. 150 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: Uh. 151 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 5: This was also the time when when head was introduced. 152 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 5: What do you remember most about that run you had 153 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 5: with with paul An E. 154 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: C W. The primary thing I remember is that I, 155 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: you know, I knew that I had to leave w 156 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: W LEF at that time and I had to go 157 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: somewhere else and reinvent myself in order to come back 158 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: in a better position, either with ww F or w CW. 159 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: I knew that if I stayed and was in and 160 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: I stayed in the spot that I was in, that 161 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: you know, my career was pretty much dead. I was 162 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: not going to laugh and it was not going to 163 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: get any better. And you know, I made the conscious decision. 164 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: I tried to quit, but at that time, you know, 165 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: they they rolled my contract over and kept me from leaving, 166 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 2: but they put me on loan to e CW, thank god. 167 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 2: And I went in there with the idea that I 168 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: was going to do everything I could to you know, 169 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: make myself an attraction that to the point where you know, somebody, 170 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: anybody would pay to Eric would pay to steal me, 171 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: and you know, could take me to w CW or 172 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: ww S W tould pay to bring me back, or 173 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 2: Paul would pay to keep me. I didn't care. All 174 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: I cared about was that I wanted to, you know, 175 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: to do what I should have done in the first place, 176 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: and that is to utilize the opportunities I had to 177 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 2: make myself a star, make myself in traction. 178 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 4: Our guest on the phone with us right now, Al 179 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 4: Snow is hanging out with us. So let me ask 180 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 4: this so about let's see, nineteen ninety eight to two thousand, 181 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 4: you came back to work with Vincent WWE at the 182 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 4: time that was the hottest company during the hottest period 183 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 4: in pro wrestling history. What brought you back to WWE 184 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 4: for this stint and what was the highlight of this 185 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 4: this go around again in WWE. 186 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: What brought me back was, you know, Vince Russo had 187 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 2: reached out to me, and I told me I had 188 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: no interest. At the time, I was very happy where 189 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: I was at with BCW. But then I watched the 190 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 2: opening of the show. They had done a new opening 191 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: and I wasn't featured anywhere on it, and I you know, 192 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: and you know, what's say facts, I mean, uh, you know, 193 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: at that time, I was I'm not going to brag. 194 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I was probably one of the most over 195 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 2: things with DCW. If it was and if I wasn't 196 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: featured on the show at the opening, I'm like, well, 197 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: apparently Paul has no plans for me. So, you know, 198 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: I called Vincrouso back and say, hey, let me send 199 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 2: you a tape of what have they're doing. I sent 200 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: it to him, and like a week later, Vince called 201 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: me and we talked, and you know, I came back 202 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 2: and you know, of course I made mistakes, and you know, 203 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 2: didn't capitalize on the opportunities that I was given to 204 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 2: the fullest extent that I should even could have. But 205 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: probably the most notable thing that came out of that 206 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: was you know, my involvement was tough enough, which then 207 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 2: also led to me becoming the head of the developmental 208 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 2: program in OVW, you know, and I was able to 209 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: help turn out a whole lot of talent that are 210 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: still prominent up there now the main roster and w 211 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: to be. So it was it was a very very 212 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: good opportunity. 213 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, tough enough. I don't think it's enough credit. I 214 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 5: think with as much screens as w W has now, 215 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 5: I think they could bring it back in a modern 216 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 5: time and tweak it. And you know, I think it 217 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 5: could be be valuable to the company again, but you know, 218 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 5: who knows, who knows what Vince is thinking. 219 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, I I've always felt that it was a 220 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 2: It was a great avenue to one search for new 221 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: talent and newer faces, and two to broaden your audience. 222 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: You know, I can't tell you the numbers people that 223 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: still to this day come up and go, oh, you know, 224 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: I never was a wrestling band, but god, I never 225 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: missed an episodes of talking about and then after you know, 226 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 2: given end, I'd start watching wrestling because I wanted to 227 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 2: see what happened to the kids, and next thing out 228 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: all wrestling. 229 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 5: Right, It's like it's almost like it is with the 230 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 5: total divas. You know, I have I have girlfriends that 231 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 5: they don't watch any programming of w whatsoever, but they'll 232 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 5: why just because it's on you know, the same network 233 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 5: as the Kardashians, you know, right. 234 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's a great it's a great avenue to 235 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: you know, to pull in and broad an audience sense 236 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: for Shure. 237 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, totally. So another part of your career you actually 238 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 5: have you've done some commentating. Is that something you enjoy 239 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 5: or is it just did they just throw you you know, hey, 240 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 5: ow you're on the you're on the desk tonight or 241 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 5: I mean do you actually enjoy it? And when? Is 242 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 5: it something you would do again? If if the company 243 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 5: asked you. 244 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 2: To do that, I'd certainly do it again. And I 245 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: was very lucky to be very blessed, quite honestly to have, 246 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: you know, been able to be partnered with guys like 247 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 2: you know, Michael Cole and you know and coach you know, Johhandosman. 248 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 2: I don't you know, people don't appreciate just really how 249 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: hard that job is and just how talented those two 250 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 2: guys are and that you know they carry I mean, 251 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 2: they really made it possible for me to especially to 252 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: start to even work like I just pass them knowing 253 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: what I was doing. You know, they were They're so good, 254 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: they really truely are. They're a step above that people 255 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: think they are. That's a it's a very tough job 256 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: because you have to communicate the story that's being told 257 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: physically in the ring you've got at the same time 258 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: sell you know, all the events and storylines, and also 259 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 2: interact and behave in a manner that keeps people's interests 260 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 2: and show a personality that that doesn't have the shadow 261 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 2: what's going on. And meanwhile, you've got a producer who 262 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: could possibly the events himself, who is screaming obscenities in 263 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: your ear, you know, living in the moment, and he's 264 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 2: very passionate, and you know, you know, and I understand 265 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: that because you can only get more shot at the moment, 266 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: and that's what we're really selling, the moments. And you know, 267 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: but you're trying, You're down there trying to maintain your 268 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 2: composure or your train of thought, and you know, oh, 269 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 2: this is going on at one time, and it's man, 270 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 2: it's it's it's a challenge. 271 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 4: It sounds like it'd be a challenge because you're like 272 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 4: in the moment and you're trying not to screw it up, 273 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 4: and then you know, kind of know the outcome of 274 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 4: the match, so you're trying not to slip, and man, 275 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 4: I could just see how much. 276 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 2: The same time you're going to have to try to 277 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 2: you know, always ask questions, never make statements. You're always 278 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: going to try to talk and sound bites. You're you know, 279 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: it's it's a man, it's a mental juggle. 280 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: It's got to be. 281 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 4: And you know, you had a lengthy run with another 282 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 4: wrestling organization, TNA Impact, which is known for its ups 283 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 4: and downs since its inception. 284 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: What was your experience like working for them? 285 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 4: And I guess what is your current status within the 286 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 4: company if there is one. 287 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: My experience was the ones. I was always amazed and 288 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: impressed with just how hard they work. I mean, if 289 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: you look at what they turned out and still to 290 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: this day, not even a third of the budget, not 291 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: even a third of the roster, and not even a 292 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: third of the personnel production, you know, they still turned 293 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: out something that at least when you watched them te rival, 294 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: you know, w E but you know they weren't even 295 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 2: they didn't have near any of that, and that was 296 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: a testament to everybody's hard work and efforts. And you know, 297 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: they had their problems, and you know they're the way 298 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: that they dealt with handling finances and things like that. 299 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: But I'll tell you, you know, if you didn't serve 300 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: a purpose for me, I wouldn't stay there. You know, 301 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: if it was that terrible, either just left. It's not 302 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: like him. In any situation. You always got to remind 303 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: yourself you're not a treat you know, I'm playing it 304 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: in the ground. And if it ain't, you know, you're 305 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: only going to be treated the way you allow yourself 306 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: to be treat it at the bottom. At the end 307 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: of the day, you know people are going to treat 308 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: you bad. But if you can stand there and allow 309 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: them to treat you that, well, then that's your fault, right. 310 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 5: And they had at different points in time they arguably 311 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 5: had the best roster in pro wrestling. I mean. 312 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: They did, they had a great roster. But you know, 313 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: the problem that they at that time and still with 314 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: a lot of people these days, is that a lot 315 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 2: have lost touch with what it is that we're really 316 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: selling and what an audience is really trying to you know, 317 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: trying to what an audience is buying a ticket to 318 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: see is not the what, and that's what everybody in 319 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: wrestling sells now exist is what and what an audience 320 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: buys a ticket to see. It is not the what, 321 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 2: never is, never has, never will be. It's always the 322 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: who and the why, not even just in wrestling, but 323 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: in every aspect of entertainment. It's always the who and 324 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: why is what motivates an audience to pay to see something, 325 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: and not just what is the least important thing. It's 326 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: really what sells a story, what really drives the drama 327 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: the sees is the who and the why. 328 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right. This uh, this question 329 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 5: wasn't actually on our list, but it's kind of piggyback 330 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 5: and we interviewed Dutch Mantel a couple a couple of 331 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 5: months ago. Do you think that modern wrestlings lost some 332 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 5: of what I call that like Memphis edge, you know, 333 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 5: like it's you know, you go back to the eighties 334 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 5: and you know mid South Cosseium was packed every Monday 335 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 5: night and people were screaming and grandmothers were hitting wrestlers. 336 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 5: I mean, and it's just you know, the storytelling back 337 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 5: then without all the modern modern conveniences, you know, the 338 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 5: jumbo trons and LEDs on the screen, on the rings themselves, 339 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 5: all that stuff. You know, they didn't have that, but 340 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 5: they still captivated audiences. Do you think some of that 341 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 5: has been lost over time or do you think it's 342 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 5: just been watered down? 343 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 2: Like? 344 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 5: What do you what do you think about? 345 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 2: Well, it goes back to what I just said. When 346 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 2: you you showed up at an arena in those days, 347 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 2: whether it be the sort of New York or Atlanta 348 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: or Florida, you know, up in Oregon, uh, anywhere else 349 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 2: from Texas, you know, you were being sold tub and 350 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 2: wine bottom money. That's what you were being sold. You 351 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:22,239 Speaker 2: were not being sold to what The one took care 352 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: of itself. And the reason that there were actual stories 353 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 2: being solved is that the performers adhered to the actual 354 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 2: framework that the story should be told with it. No 355 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: matter what medium you tell a story, whether it's being 356 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 2: written physically acted out in a ring or on a 357 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 2: stage or on a film, there's always a framework. For instance, 358 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: if it's you know, if it's an actually adventures, it's 359 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 2: a framework or how the story is to if it's 360 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 2: a mystery, if it's a horror, if it's you know, 361 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: in wrestling, it's about it being a competitive situation and 362 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 2: that europe prize fighter. And contrary to popular beliefs, you know, 363 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: the big miss omer these days is that only and 364 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: as recently as in the mid nineties, did the general 365 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: audience realize that professional wrestling is predetermined, i e. Fake 366 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: and nothing to be further from the truth. You know, 367 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 2: audiences are known that wrestling has been predetermined and not 368 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 2: an actual competitive situation for decades. In nineteen seventy six, 369 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 2: I was twelve, and I love my family. Really that 370 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: makes men mistakes, but you're all very intelligent, but that 371 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: none of them are mendic candidates and none of them 372 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 2: were professional lesslers. And what I announced that I wanted 373 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 2: to be a professional wrestler. Everyone, every one of them, 374 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: even my grandmother, Why do you want to do that? 375 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: That's fake? Now, let me ask you something. How did 376 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 2: they all know this? Right? That's because everybody know? Why 377 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: did everybody continue in gloves to pay to see it? 378 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 2: Because even if it was just for the time that 379 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: you were in Thereina, you could believe in who that 380 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 2: person was and why they were doing what they were doing. 381 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 2: And I know that. You know, there's a big belief 382 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 2: among two beliefs. One that a term we call k 383 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 2: fabe is dead in wrestling, which meant that you you 384 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 2: didn't uncover, you didn't you didn't you didn't remove the dail, 385 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 2: you didn't expose being a working of the Western business. 386 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: And that's that could be anything further from the truth. 387 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 2: It wasn't that k fabe was that you never stopped 388 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: selling what you had finally gotten your audience by, which 389 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: was a belief in who you were and why you 390 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: were in the ring doing what you did. The second 391 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 2: is that the second part of that is that everybody 392 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: blame social media. I mean, social media is not to blame. 393 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 2: It's the wrestlers themselves and how they use social media. 394 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 2: You know, the hardest job, which is what a real 395 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 2: professional wrestlers real job is, is to motivate you to 396 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: leave the comfort, security and safety of your home, drive 397 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 2: to a building, pay for entrance into that building, to 398 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 2: sit in an uncomfortable seat around people you don't want 399 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 2: to sit around, to eat food you don't want to eat, 400 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: to watch that professional wrestler's job. And in order for 401 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: that to happen. That professional wrestler really has to convince 402 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 2: you of who he is as a person, what he 403 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: stands for, what he'll do to win and not lose, 404 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: and that that win and loss that you're going to 405 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 2: watch that night, that competition has a gravity to it. 406 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: It has a consequence that he doesn't win it. Oh 407 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: my god, what's that going to gain for him? Which, ultimately, 408 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 2: what's it going to mean for you? Because you've tied 409 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: yourself to that point. And now if we've gotten you convinced, 410 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 2: and we now go on social media and we're not 411 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: that person anymore. We're just Joe Blow and we live 412 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 2: an average life, little every day you know situations, then 413 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 2: now it makes it even more difficult for us to 414 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 2: motivate you to want to come to watch us. So 415 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 2: different than you know, if you were to go watch 416 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra, the only place you ever saw Frank Sinatra 417 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 2: was on stage. You never saw him go, you know, 418 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 2: posting on the g that he was low to the 419 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 2: grocery store or you know, had a fight with his 420 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: wife or anything like gad. He was only seeing from 421 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 2: a stage. So if he was larger than life, that's 422 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 2: what you paid to see. It because he wasn't just 423 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: the average person. And I think the restless has kind 424 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: of forgotten that and they've lost touch with it because 425 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 2: they all believe the myth, the second myth, which is 426 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: that the wrestling business has changed, I meaning that we 427 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 2: are no longer selling because the audience doesn't care that 428 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: it's a competitive situation. That the rest of the arresting 429 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 2: fans now would rather pay to see your athleticism and 430 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: the what you do and don't care about the who 431 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 2: and the why right to that. I always ask those 432 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 2: people who claim that to me, I always say, okay, 433 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 2: and I'm the reasonable I genuinely I am, And then 434 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 2: you guys can disagree with me and talk about decider wortendly, 435 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: but I always ask the following four questions and I 436 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 2: can't get an answer to them. And that is number one. 437 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 2: If what the mass population should say, the wrestlers say 438 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: of number of dresslers say that the rest of the 439 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: business has changed, that it is not about winning and 440 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: losing anymore. The audience doesn't care about that. They know 441 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: it's fake. They don't, you know, they just want to see, 442 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: you know, athleticism and cool moves and be entertained and 443 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: his first question is why am I still paying the referee? Then? Yeah, 444 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 2: exactly why am I wasting the money for the referee 445 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 2: to stay in the ring. Why don't I just have 446 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 2: the two You do your entrance, you'll do your match, 447 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: and then you'll bounce walk out. The second question is 448 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: why is why am I paying commentators to and the 449 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 2: ring announcer and eighty five to ninety percent of the 450 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 2: show is to build this idea that an audience is 451 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 2: watching the competitive you know event a prize bike. Why 452 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: am I paying them to do that? Why don't they 453 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 2: just have them, you know, if they're going to have commentators, 454 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: just have them talk about your athleticism and nothing else, 455 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 2: not the consequences of what your athos and just did, 456 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: as if you're potentially going to win, even though your 457 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: performance doesn't jive with everything else that I'm selling them 458 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 2: on the shodow. Number three, why do I spend the 459 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 2: money for titles that you're apparently aspiring to and competing 460 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: to raise yourself up to the rankings to have an 461 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: opportunity to win. I find that as a monument of 462 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 2: waste of money. Those things are cheap, right, And for 463 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 2: my hardest question, for performers is that if you what 464 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: you say is true and you really believe it, why 465 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: is it that when I ask you to lose, you 466 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 2: get the Google face? 467 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's That's always been my biggest thing, is when 468 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 5: people complain about or you know, not really even complain, 469 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 5: just hey, I'm going to go somewhere else for a 470 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 5: different opportunity. It's like if this is a performance and 471 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 5: you go to the theater and the director says you're 472 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 5: going to be the villain tonight and then tomorrow night, 473 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 5: sure the good guy or whatever, like these actors are 474 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 5: not gonna like ugh or seriously, you know what I mean? Like, 475 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 5: so I never I never got that as where where 476 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 5: you know, if it's if it is a predetermined outcome 477 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 5: and one person's the winner, one's a loser. Yeah, you're 478 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 5: absolutely right, Like what does it matter? 479 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? I agree, and you know, but I can't seem 480 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 2: to get those that preach to me that it has changed, 481 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 2: you know, aspects of it that have changed, you know, 482 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 2: but really, truly, to be quite honest, the only one 483 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 2: thing that's changed about professional wrestling is the level of 484 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 2: sophistication of the of the general audience. You know, professional 485 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: wrestling as a style was able to do more simplistic 486 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 2: stops to communicate that who and why in the nineteen 487 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 2: fifties and they were in the sixties or the seventies. 488 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 2: It evolved because the audience evolved, you know, the eighties 489 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: and nineties, two thousands, the same thing. You know your 490 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: audience today. Let's face it, you know, the seven year 491 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 2: old kid is much more sophisticated today than what you 492 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 2: know I was at seven years old back in the seventies, 493 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: you know, because they have access to so much information, 494 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 2: you know, So now you've got to you've got to 495 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 2: go in there, in there, and you've got to work 496 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 2: harder and smarter and on a more sophisticated level to 497 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 2: allow your audience to more uh in completely believe in 498 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 2: the lie. And the lie is that you don't know 499 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: if you're gonna win or if you're going to lose. 500 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 2: And now if you lose, you don't get paid like 501 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: any prize fighter, you know, And and the more you win, 502 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 2: the more opportunities you have for bigger matches than allow 503 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: you to make more money, which is what your real 504 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 2: motivation is. If that component is not there, then there's 505 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 2: no drama there's no consequence to anything that happens in 506 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 2: the race, and there's no emotional connection, there's no drama, 507 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 2: and then there's no motivation to watch the show or 508 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 2: to drive to a building and watch your favorite performer 509 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 2: hopefully triumph and win in this contest. You know that's 510 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 2: that's not there than while watching him, right, well that. 511 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 5: Was I mean, that was a really good explanation. So 512 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 5: so this is, uh, you might get a kick out 513 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 5: of this. So by marriage, Danny Davis is my cousin. 514 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 5: So yeah, my grandfather and his mom were brother and sisters, 515 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 5: so he was like my was that second cousin, maybe 516 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 5: third cousin. 517 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 4: I don't know. 518 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 5: I've only I've only met him in person like twice 519 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 5: in my life. But anyways, that's my claim to fame 520 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 5: that ties in. 521 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: He is awesome and wonderful and I love him. 522 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, he he. I think his legacy now 523 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 5: is going to be the behind the scenes stuff and 524 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 5: you know, his involvement in Ohio Valley Wrestling, I mean 525 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 5: he uh, you know, obviously held his own as a 526 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 5: wrestler in the eighties. But I think, yes, you know, 527 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 5: I think his fruits are going to be more of 528 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 5: from OVW, But speaking of you actually purchased that last year, 529 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 5: So what was the motivation behind that? And then because 530 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 5: obviously you've done a lot of training over the years, 531 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 5: and then what are what are some of the future 532 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 5: plans for ov W. 533 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: Well, the motivation was I really, quite honestly, this all 534 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 2: kind of happened. Those happenstams. I, you know, I I 535 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: literally approached the State Athletic Commission of the Kentucky Boxing 536 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 2: and Wrestling Commission, which they do a wonderful job. I 537 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: don't want to be by misunderstandment, I was getting very frustrated, 538 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: become very disappointed and self basically I felt like it 539 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 2: was in the front like an insult that you know, 540 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: my wife was a licensed to messus And if you 541 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 2: want to in any state in the meaning wanted to 542 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 2: be a licensed massus, If you wanted to be a 543 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: licensed uh, you know, petician, you want to be a 544 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 2: licensed beautitian barber, You've got to go to a state 545 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 2: accredited school. You've got to be taught by a state 546 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 2: accredited teacher. You've got to complete a number of State 547 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 2: of food dollars. You've got to then have a certain 548 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: number of residency hours, actually supervise experience, and then take 549 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: a test before you can never get a license to 550 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: pursue that vocation as a professional wrestler in the state 551 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 2: of Maryland, in New York, Oklahoma, Louisiana, South Carolina, Kentucky, 552 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 2: take physical pa fee. That's it. That's all you got 553 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 2: to do, and there are no standards. And the reason 554 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 2: that it bothers me is not just from a cosmetic standpoint, 555 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: because let's face it, if you guys, you work pretty hard, 556 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 2: I'm sure to get your money. Now I'm asking you 557 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 2: to come and watch a wrestling show, and you guys 558 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 2: walk out there and your son feels like he could 559 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 2: beat them up. They just physically don't look so hard. 560 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 2: And that's not fair to you because you invested your time, money, 561 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 2: and efort to watch the show expecting to get a 562 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 2: certain experience, and now you're not going to get that 563 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 2: experiences Number one, number two, and this is the most important, 564 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 2: because I don't care if the you don't have to 565 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 2: look like, you know, bodybuilder. All I care about is 566 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 2: art you a athlete? Okay, Because contrary to popular feming 567 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: and believe, a professional wrestling is quite real. One hundred 568 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 2: percent of everything that's done that ring physically is real. 569 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 2: It is the intent behind it that is quote unquote 570 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 2: fake or in making you try to believe in that 571 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 2: we're trying to win using what we're doing to try 572 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 2: and beat the other person. Okay, let's make that clear. 573 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: So I need the performer that's in the ring with me. 574 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 2: I need him to have a certain level of athleticism 575 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: and a certain amail level of coordination and cardio. I 576 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 2: don't need at eight minutes in the ring, when you 577 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 2: know he's going to try to do that really cool 578 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 2: move that he saw on Raw SmackDown this week, that 579 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 2: he wants him being so winded that he picks another 580 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 2: human being up and potentially drops that person in a 581 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 2: way that could create a life ulter. The injury or 582 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 2: killing and those accidents, guys, are happening at an exponential rate. 583 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 2: A young man out in Oklahoma a couple of years ago, 584 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: which is what motivated me to do this, was on 585 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: a lesson show poorly trained, took a very simplistic move, 586 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 2: struck the back of his head, had a demon brain swelling, 587 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 2: was in a coma for four days in the cold, 588 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 2: the plug on him. He died I find it absurd 589 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 2: and I find it insulting that you know that anybody 590 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 2: can just go last day. You know, I love always 591 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 2: want to be best for it. And we don't have 592 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 2: any standards said as far as the recoes training, we 593 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 2: want these standards, as far as regards to athleticism, nothing 594 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 2: and people just could pay the money and I don't. 595 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: I don't agree with that, So I approached the state commission. 596 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 2: They of course gave me reasons why, which ultimately it 597 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 2: was that you know, it would cut down on the income. 598 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 2: Is that they were brought in by licensing. I not 599 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 2: understand that, but I think the long picture would have 600 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 2: actually generated more income for them. They seemed to big 601 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: a picture. So at that time I met my business partner, 602 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 2: Chad Miller, who was head of the Kentucky Boxing Lesson Commission. 603 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: He and I became friends. He realized that he could 604 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 2: affect more change as an entrepreneur than he could as 605 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 2: an actual commissioner, and he did a lot of good 606 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 2: things while he was there and through the bureaucracy, so 607 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 2: he resigned. He guy got talking that Danny was interested 608 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 2: retiring one thing one to another, and they bought OVW 609 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 2: and they've spent the last year and some change rebuilding it, 610 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 2: and we have starting. We started in February the process 611 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 2: with the State Office of Proprietary Education. We have provisional 612 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 2: approval as the stands right now, but we're waiting, literally 613 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 2: waiting and cold here today that we will get our 614 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 2: actual state accreditation from the Proprietary the Office of Proprietary 615 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 2: Education as an actual trade school. Why that's important is 616 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 2: is that I've always contended that as you know, professional wrestling, 617 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 2: it's not like you're going to learn into may or 618 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 2: boxing or anything. I'm teaching you skills to pursue a 619 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 2: career to make a living, and as such, you know, 620 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 2: it should be more of a trade school than it 621 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 2: should be a gym per se. The other thing that 622 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 2: makes it important is is that you know, no matter 623 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 2: who you are, no matter how successfull are, at some 624 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 2: point your intering career is going to come to an end, 625 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 2: and you need to have some kind of skills to 626 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 2: be able to still pursue some kind of career in 627 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 2: life outside the ring. And these young men and women 628 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: are you know, wrestling is great at teaching them how 629 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 2: to get in and pursue the career, but not. You know, 630 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 2: at the end of the road have to move on 631 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 2: and get out. And you know what inspired me was 632 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 2: a young girl who was a competitor on Tough Enough Too. 633 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 2: She got cut. She came back on season three of 634 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 2: Tough Enough, and then she was as an intern with MTV. 635 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 2: Name's Jesse Whitney. She was hired by ww's backstage producer, 636 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 2: then left there and it has become a television producer, 637 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 2: has had a very successful career for years. A second 638 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 2: guy who came to WW as just an in rink performance. 639 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 2: He learned how to operate a camera, lights, sound editing. 640 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 2: I helped him get hired with Impact Dressing several years 641 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 2: ago as part of the production team. Left there is 642 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 2: now the head of the experimental production division for WWE 643 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 2: with NXT. You know. So it's my hope that you know, 644 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 2: with getting state accreditation as an actual trade school, which 645 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 2: will happen any second, we'll have an avenue that will 646 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 2: allow us to teach skills to get in the ring, 647 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 2: teach skills that will make them as a performer all 648 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 2: around better because they'll they'll not only learn they're in 649 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 2: ring skills, but they'll also learn how to be a producer, 650 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 2: how to be a director, how to edit, how to 651 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 2: do writing, sound cameras, how they'll to do writing, how 652 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 2: to do event management, fiscal planning, business management, social media management. 653 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 2: They'll learn all aspects and being a better performance because 654 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 2: they'll understand what it takes to capitalize on that opportunity 655 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 2: they have in the ring. And you know, if you 656 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 2: are behind the scenes part of the production, you'll know 657 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 2: that have a better understanding and grasp of what it 658 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 2: is you're producing and how better to sell it. And 659 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 2: through this hopefully it will elevate and create more opportunities 660 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 2: for everyone and also now give the larger organizations a 661 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 2: pool of talent that then they don't have to sit 662 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 2: there in shape and groom that literally walk in the 663 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 2: door and are hitting the ground running because they've just 664 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 2: had the in the training. But because of the platform 665 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 2: that I have existing already with OBW, with live events 666 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 2: and television, live television production on a weekly basis, they 667 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 2: will have the actual supervised residency experience so that they 668 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 2: can come in and understand every aspect of what they 669 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 2: need to do and why they need to do it 670 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 2: right from the get go. 671 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 4: Man, just hearing you talk about how you're like, I 672 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 4: guess sculpting the future of the wrestling business right there 673 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 4: with Ohio Valley. That is possibly the greatest thing in 674 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 4: the world. Like you said, you don't really see that 675 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 4: kind of stuff. You have the and I'm doing finger quotes. 676 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 4: You have the wrestling schools, but you don't have like 677 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 4: you're doing. You don't have the training for social media, 678 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 4: the lights, the sound, the cameras. So that way, like 679 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 4: you said, if wrestling does come to abrupt in god 680 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 4: fearing an injury or something, they know how to do 681 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 4: all the other stuff. 682 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 2: In the business, right and they can continue to be 683 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 2: a you know, it doesn't just apply to rest. Like 684 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 2: you know, Jesse Whitney is a great example. She left wrestling. 685 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 2: She has become a television producer for Fox, ABC, CBS 686 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 2: and you see a major major television companies. And he's 687 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 2: had a great career, traveled all over the world and 688 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 2: it's still quite successful. You know. You know, Uh, James Long, 689 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,800 Speaker 2: you know, he still works within wrestling, but is in 690 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,720 Speaker 2: He came in as just an in link be former 691 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 2: and then you know has a completely different life and 692 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 2: career that he can pursue and follow a passion and 693 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,760 Speaker 2: still be involved with wrestling and be a contributory factor 694 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 2: to its success, you know, and and and and at 695 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 2: the end of the day, I mean, it is a 696 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 2: problem with these young athletes to the point to where 697 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 2: the NFL has even addressing it with their players, creating 698 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 2: a program where these NFL players don't know how to function, 699 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,720 Speaker 2: don't know how to live a life off the field 700 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 2: as not being an NFL player when their career comes 701 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 2: to the end. 702 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 5: All right, you know, they're they're rich, and they they 703 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 5: don't know what to do. 704 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 2: Well or they you know, they've spent their money has 705 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 2: been used up because you know, that's a big myth too, 706 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 2: is that you know goes, well, you know so and 707 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 2: so he made money. Yeah, but you get what you 708 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 2: don't understand about making money is you got to spend 709 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 2: a lot of money to make that money, and that 710 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 2: goes into the hand and you know, it ain't it's 711 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 2: simple and couldn't dry as what it looks like, Well 712 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,840 Speaker 2: you got X amount of dollars, Well, he should be 713 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 2: able to live forever. Well, sometimes they can't. You know, 714 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 2: it's just not that easy, you know, And then they 715 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 2: still need to know how to function outside of being 716 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 2: an NFL player. When a lot of those people that 717 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 2: you know to be an NFL player, they have had 718 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 2: to dig dedicate themselves from pee wee football up through 719 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 2: you know, middle school, to you know, high school to 720 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 2: now getting into college and from college it's single minded, 721 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 2: sole purposes of being an NFL player. Now when that 722 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 2: current comes wins, what do they do? They have no 723 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 2: other skills, you know, that's it. And some have a 724 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 2: very difficult time transitioning and and saying those restless that 725 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 2: there is a very big that's part of a lot 726 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 2: of the attalism of professional essays. You know, it's it's 727 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 2: easy to It's not easy, and I get it. It's 728 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 2: you know, I deal with it because I'm fifty six, 729 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 2: so you know that that's what walking up. I mean, 730 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 2: the old mortal death is coming around. But you know, 731 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 2: but coming to grips with that, it's harder to come 732 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 2: to grips with the end of my m ring career, 733 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,919 Speaker 2: in the life of my enving career, because I still 734 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 2: have to being go on living. 735 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: All right. 736 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 2: I still have to have something to pursue and have 737 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 2: a passion and the reason to get up every day 738 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 2: and a dream to chase and you know, when that 739 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 2: comes to bed, what do I do? Where do I go? 740 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 2: You know, with this program, I'm hoping that it will 741 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 2: and I'm hoping that this will establish a standard that now, 742 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 2: if you're a young man or a young woman and 743 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 2: you want to go and you want to get trained, 744 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,479 Speaker 2: it's not just finding Johnny sausage head out in the back, 745 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 2: who you know, you know, has never really been anywhere, 746 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 2: never really done anything, and takes you through the most 747 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 2: simplistic manner of training and has no real standards. Just 748 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,399 Speaker 2: as long as you have the tuition, you can walk 749 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 2: in the door. You know, I want it to be 750 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,720 Speaker 2: so different than if you were to apply for college. 751 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 2: I want this to be a place of higher learning, 752 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 2: and I want it to be understood that real knowledge 753 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 2: is not an acquisition of information. Real knowledge is an 754 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 2: acquisition of information with a teacher who has a commensar 755 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 2: amount of experience that he now has the knowledge to 756 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 2: impart to you based on his experiences to where you 757 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 2: now wouldn't have opportunities. Don't make his mistakes. That's the 758 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 2: purpose of an instructor. It is whether you go to 759 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 2: be an accountant, you go to be a dentist, you 760 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 2: go to be a professional wrestler, you go to be 761 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 2: a magician from the blnds, that doesn't matter. You need 762 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 2: an instructor who doesn't just have information because flicpation, we 763 00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 2: go on the Internet and you can become an expert 764 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 2: on any topic you want by acquiring information. Do you 765 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 2: have the commensurate amount of experience to now equate that 766 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 2: to abby national milation? Not everybody does, right? 767 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,359 Speaker 1: You know, kind of talking about something else that's really 768 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: cool that you're doing. 769 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 4: And we have noticed this a lot at events that 770 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 4: we've been to, whether it's been the big WWE events 771 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,320 Speaker 4: to the local stuff and even Kevin Nash was rocking it. 772 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 4: Can we talk about Collar and Elbow the clothing brand, Like, 773 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 4: what was your inspiration behind this? Because literally everywhere we go, 774 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 4: whether I'm scrolling through Instagram, which I'm doing right now 775 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,320 Speaker 4: and there's at least six people repping Collar and Elbow 776 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 4: on my timeline right now, what talk can let's talk 777 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 4: about this? 778 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 2: I just felt like, you know, my partner and I 779 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 2: we got sat down one day and we're sitting here 780 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 2: talking and you know, and I didn't know, but I 781 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 2: just assume that you know, wrestling didn't really have its 782 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 2: own brand. You know, football does basketball, does baseball? You know, 783 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 2: under armor, Nike. You know, if you're a fan of 784 00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 2: one of those things, you know that you've got some 785 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 2: thing that kind of you can buy and it kind 786 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 2: of represents your passion, you know, what you enjoyed. And 787 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 2: I just didn't feel like Wreston did. Now you know, 788 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 2: they have wrestling merchandise. You know, let's face of guys. 789 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 2: I mean, how many of us, just grown men, want 790 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,839 Speaker 2: to wear another man's face on the chest. 791 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: I mean it's just I'm not rushing out to buy 792 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 1: a Roman Drains T shirt anytime. 793 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 2: Soon, so no, but if it's got a cool design, 794 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 2: I mean I took that lesson from Steve Austin. You know, 795 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 2: Steve Austin sold a ton of shirts, one because everybody 796 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 2: wanted to be Steve Austin, but two because he hadn't 797 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,360 Speaker 2: design that, you know. And the thing goes with the 798 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 2: end of oh, you know, if you weren't a wrestling fan, 799 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 2: you didn't really you didn't look at it and you 800 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 2: didn't do the usual you know, Oh you like Ris, 801 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 2: you know that it's still stake and it's like, well, 802 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 2: congratulations Angela Lansbury, you know Murdercery wrote. Yeah, to be 803 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 2: able to put together those clues and discover that just 804 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 2: that mystery, that was good for you. You know. It's 805 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 2: like I wanted to we ate something, and so do 806 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 2: my partner. And if you're a wrestling fan, you can 807 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 2: wear it and we and there's a connotation, there's a 808 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 2: nod in the designs that you know as a rescue thing. 809 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 2: You get it, you understand it. If you're not a 810 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 2: wrestling fan, it just looks cool. And we made it 811 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 2: a point to get very and I do meet very 812 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 2: high quality, nice soft not those you know, heavy thick, 813 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 2: bulletproof cotton T shirts. We got the really nice, heavy, 814 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,319 Speaker 2: really thick, just comfortable that the ones that you dig 815 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 2: through your door. You want to wear often type of shirts. 816 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 2: And you try to put designs together that, like I said, 817 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 2: did the wrestling fan the idea and the connotation and 818 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,239 Speaker 2: communicate to them. But if you're not a wrestling fan, 819 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 2: it just looks like a goose shirt. You just want 820 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 2: to We want one too, and we go to Collar 821 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,399 Speaker 2: and Elbow brand dot com and you can check out 822 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,760 Speaker 2: any of the designs you can use. The Coach Snowman, 823 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,840 Speaker 2: you take ten percent off, and that is an addition 824 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 2: to be have a sale like twenty five thirty forty 825 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 2: percent off. You put that ten percent on top of 826 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,960 Speaker 2: that and it takes off fifty percent and you can 827 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 2: round up your purchase all of that money. And I 828 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 2: know it doesn't seem like much, but it's nickel here 829 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 2: and a couple of pays here, but it adds up. 830 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 2: And we donate all that money to the to the 831 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 2: Cauliflower Alley Club, which is has been an ongoing charitable 832 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 2: organization to help retire professional lestlers and boxes and they 833 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 2: do have been always been doing amazing things. And I 834 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 2: can we've given them, you know, thousands of dollars because 835 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,760 Speaker 2: of people doing kinds enough to ground up the approaches 836 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 2: and sodads up. 837 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,440 Speaker 5: It sounds like you're giving back to the industry in 838 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,800 Speaker 5: pretty substantial ways, from OVW to color and EBO. So 839 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 5: it's it's been it's been really awesome kind of listening 840 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 5: to some of this. 841 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 2: Stuff lessons given me so much, you know, and you know, 842 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 2: I love it. I mean, it's been the greatestly I've done. 843 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I just man, I can't say enough positive 844 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,320 Speaker 2: think that if I can go back and do it 845 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 2: all again, even do the same sake, do everything again. 846 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 2: I wouldn't, wouldn't. I have no, not one regret about 847 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 2: becoming a professionalist, not one, and I. 848 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:26,239 Speaker 5: Do it nice. So this is, uh, this will be. 849 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 5: You know, you could just give up one answer, reply 850 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 5: or whatever. But we've been asking guests lately, UH this question. 851 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,840 Speaker 5: We asked Kevin Nash a couple of weeks ago, what 852 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 5: is what's your thoughts on AW and what are your 853 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,759 Speaker 5: you know, what do you think their chances of survival are? 854 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,359 Speaker 5: Are they you know, carving out the right path by 855 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 5: saying they're not competing with the w W head on? Like, 856 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 5: what's your what's your general opinion of them? Right now? 857 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 2: Well, first and foremost, gott I hopefully surpl I mean 858 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 2: the wrestling business, the wrestling fans, the wrest words. We 859 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:04,440 Speaker 2: need more options, need, you know, as as many places 860 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,440 Speaker 2: as possible for wrestling. I wanted to survive, but to thrive, 861 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,719 Speaker 2: And I said, God blessed you know, good luck. You know, Hey, 862 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,319 Speaker 2: Kobe Rose is one of my kids, so I broke 863 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 2: him in. So I would I want him to succeed 864 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 2: because the more he succeeds, the more it looks, you know, 865 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:23,280 Speaker 2: good for me, right, But I also wanted to succeed 866 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 2: for the sake of the wrestling business, sake for the fans, 867 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 2: I do, you know, and I'm concerned. It's one thing 868 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:38,280 Speaker 2: to run you know, occasional pay per view. It's another 869 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,880 Speaker 2: to believe me, because I have experienced doing it now, 870 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:46,800 Speaker 2: a lot of experiencing and running a weekly, ongoing concern 871 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 2: that never ends fifty two weeks a year is a challenge, 872 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,480 Speaker 2: and it is a very difficult, very very difficult challenge. 873 00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,520 Speaker 2: You have to market in advent. They have the advantage 874 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,359 Speaker 2: WW does two over being in the sense that they 875 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,360 Speaker 2: go to different towns. You know, you've got to market 876 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,120 Speaker 2: that television events to attract a live audience, to pay 877 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 2: for a television event that they could sit at home, 878 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,759 Speaker 2: in their company at home and much for free. So 879 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,759 Speaker 2: what are you gonna how are you gonna motivate? I 880 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 2: got to do that in the same town that I'm 881 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 2: running the television show every week. And it's believe me, 882 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 2: You've got to pull out some tricks, and you've got 883 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 2: to get consistent with performance and with storyline and character development. 884 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,200 Speaker 2: Those are the key, and you have to know who 885 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,960 Speaker 2: you're marketing to, you know, are you marketing to the 886 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,400 Speaker 2: general audience or are you marketing to just that wrestling audience. 887 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,920 Speaker 2: And if you're marketing to just that wrestling audience, that's 888 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 2: a dangerous proposition. And the reason is just because so 889 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 2: many other companies, I'm marketing to just that wrestling audience 890 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 2: full of honor, which bans you know, and exceed impact, 891 00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,600 Speaker 2: you know, and there's only so many of that wrestling 892 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,400 Speaker 2: audience go around, and they only have so much disposable income. 893 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 2: And you know, the place and what's made WWE so 894 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,840 Speaker 2: strong is that, you know, for for decades they have 895 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,919 Speaker 2: marketed to mister and missus Walmart. And I say mister 896 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 2: missus Walmart because that's the largest percentage of the population. 897 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,279 Speaker 2: And those people, they don't go on the internet to 898 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,200 Speaker 2: read about match reviews or anything like that. They're flipping 899 00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 2: through the channel. And that's where you test a wrestler's 900 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,719 Speaker 2: reel aptitude. That is a wrestler's shop when he's pull 901 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,040 Speaker 2: on TV. Is that when I'm flipping to the channel, 902 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 2: What did he do? Who is he? Is he big enough? 903 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,440 Speaker 2: Is he personality wise? We're both enough to where it 904 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,839 Speaker 2: made me stop turning the channel and watch them. If 905 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 2: the answer is no, and it's a waste of time 906 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,760 Speaker 2: putting the month to the Step two with I've stein 907 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,840 Speaker 2: watch him and we go to commercial break during the 908 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,879 Speaker 2: segment that is on. Am I going to say during 909 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,840 Speaker 2: the commercial breakaway till he can back on? If I 910 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,719 Speaker 2: turn the channel is n one? Step three? If I 911 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,840 Speaker 2: go and watch him after the commercial break, who and 912 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,560 Speaker 2: what is he? How much does he have to be 913 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,200 Speaker 2: to motivate me to tune in next week? And then 914 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 2: the big test is what is that wrestler using that 915 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,160 Speaker 2: television time when that company comes to my town? Is 916 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,800 Speaker 2: he going to motivate me to leave the house and 917 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 2: drive to a building, pay for admittance, sit in the 918 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,719 Speaker 2: shitty tea? Right? I don't want to sit around sit 919 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 2: in for two and a half hours around people. I 920 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,440 Speaker 2: don't want to sit around and pay for food they 921 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 2: don't want to eat. The answer is no, then you've 922 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,080 Speaker 2: just wasted sol that cob stuff. So you know that's 923 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,400 Speaker 2: going to be a challenge for them, and I hope 924 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:44,280 Speaker 2: that they can overcome it and not only survive, but thrive. 925 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,439 Speaker 2: And they're correct that they shouldn't compete with WD because 926 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,000 Speaker 2: nobody does w w els. 927 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,399 Speaker 4: Right and real quick, I know that you you kind 928 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,200 Speaker 4: of start talking about marketing, so this is going to 929 00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 4: be a kind of a fun thing for you. Where 930 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,680 Speaker 4: can people keep up with you online? Social media? Instagram, Twitter, 931 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:01,600 Speaker 4: you know, how do you want to be able to 932 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:01,960 Speaker 4: find you? 933 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,799 Speaker 2: That's pretty easy. I'm at the real oul Snow. Because yes, 934 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 2: there were some fakes. Even still to this day, there 935 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,600 Speaker 2: were some people that faked being me. Which if you do, 936 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,720 Speaker 2: I'm simply gonna write you a message and go cool buddy, 937 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,960 Speaker 2: I understand, but aim the bar higher. I'm I'm going 938 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,839 Speaker 2: to fake being a celebrity, the last person I would 939 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,080 Speaker 2: be with being seriously, let me go on, just stop. 940 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,359 Speaker 4: And that's the one thing I look at because it's 941 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,320 Speaker 4: like when I was scrolling through UH, I always like 942 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,439 Speaker 4: to look and if they have that blue check mark, 943 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,439 Speaker 4: then I know that that's the real deal, because there's 944 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,439 Speaker 4: because for some odd reason they gave me a blue 945 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 4: check mark. I'm not even famous, but when I saw 946 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:40,880 Speaker 4: that you had the blue check mark, I was like, 947 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:41,759 Speaker 4: this is the real ouse Snow. 948 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,800 Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about that's parody. 949 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's me and uh obw we're having our first 950 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,320 Speaker 2: live you know, or kickoff or where we're going to 951 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,759 Speaker 2: go live every week going forward on September eleventh, down 952 00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:00,160 Speaker 2: in downtown Rouble at Fourth Street Live. We got at 953 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,880 Speaker 2: a Spring, We've got Rhino, We've got Chavo Guerrero, we 954 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,320 Speaker 2: kept the Rocket Roll Express, and we have Kevin Nashall 955 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,800 Speaker 2: coming to the show that night, and we're going to 956 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,880 Speaker 2: broadcast live on television. It's not our first live broadcast, 957 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,200 Speaker 2: but it'll be the first time that we're going to 958 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,160 Speaker 2: kick off because we're every week after that we're gonna 959 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,120 Speaker 2: go live. If anybody wants to check that out there, 960 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,920 Speaker 2: you just go ov wrestling dot com and check it 961 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,280 Speaker 2: out September eleventh. 962 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,279 Speaker 4: There it is like I tried not did I Did 963 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,280 Speaker 4: I mark out any during the show? Did you notice 964 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:30,719 Speaker 4: that at all? Or did that play it cool? 965 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,719 Speaker 2: I thought you didn't. I thought you did. Want to 966 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,200 Speaker 2: school to keep getting That's. 967 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:35,800 Speaker 5: What I try to do. 968 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,360 Speaker 4: Our guest, the dary Al Snow is on the phone 969 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,319 Speaker 4: with us, and Al, thank you so much for taking 970 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,640 Speaker 4: the time out and talking with us today. 971 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,560 Speaker 2: Thank you guys very much. I'm very appreciative of the 972 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:47,440 Speaker 2: class you. 973 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,560 Speaker 6: We hope you enjoyed this week's episode of Battleground, make 974 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,080 Speaker 6: sure you give it five stars and leave a nice review. 975 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,840 Speaker 6: If you want to stay up today, follow them at 976 00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,719 Speaker 6: Battleground Podcast on Instagram. 977 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,760 Speaker 2: What is that man, best best best