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Speaker 1: Metal Good to be with you for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Two zero one three is the telephone number. You could

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Speaker 1: also chime in via Twitter hashtag Giants Chat. So we

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Speaker 1: have arrived to the third preseason game, the annual met

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Speaker 1: Life Bowl. It is the eighth installment of the met

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Speaker 1: Life Bowl. In case those of you at home recounting,

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Speaker 1: and the Giants lead the series four to three, and

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Speaker 1: this is going to be the dress rehearsal, as it

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Speaker 1: is often referred to. Paul, Probably, we're gonna see the starters.

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Speaker 1: I know Landon Collins alluded to this doesn't mean it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be accurate, but he said he could very well

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Speaker 1: go into the third quarter potentially, but will at least

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Speaker 1: get a half I would say out of the starting

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Speaker 1: group tonight. It does seem that way. By the amount

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Speaker 1: of snaps Eli Manning took with the starters during this

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Speaker 1: week's practice sessions, you would think he's going to play

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Speaker 1: a half into the third. I don't know the answer

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Speaker 1: to that, but it does look like he will see

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Speaker 1: a significant amount of playing time in this ball game.

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Speaker 1: And after all, remember last week he didn't take any

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Speaker 1: snaps because he obviously took part of the joint practices,

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Speaker 1: they felt he got enough working right, So to this

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Speaker 1: point he's been held to only a quarter in that

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Speaker 1: first preseason the Browns actually two possessions, to be honest

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Speaker 1: with that, think it was twelve snaps. Is always so

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Speaker 1: it's a small sample size, but I think it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit different if we're talking about Eli Manning versus

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Speaker 1: maybe somebody that doesn't have nearly as much experience problem

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Speaker 1: because he has no idea what he's doing. Apparently he

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Speaker 1: does not. Yes, a new offense is really a curveball

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Speaker 1: here and there, So you know, obviously that's going to

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Speaker 1: be the most pressing issue moving forward to the preseason.

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Speaker 1: But it will be good to get a look at

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Speaker 1: the offense out there for a little bit longer, as

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Speaker 1: well as the defense. And you know, I think there's

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Speaker 1: encouraging signs that we saw in the Lions game, Paul

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Speaker 1: that I personally want to see this team build off

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Speaker 1: of to see whether or not, Okay, it's a flash

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Speaker 1: And specifically, you look at the pass rush, the depth

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Speaker 1: of this defensive line. I think over the first two games, Paul,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot to like in terms of multiple guys contributing.

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Speaker 1: Kerry Win, Robert Thomas, A J. Francis, Lorenz Oconter. I'm

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Speaker 1: not You're talking about lydia Vernon Thomas, who I mentioned.

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Speaker 1: We're seeing them more than just flash. We're seeing them

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Speaker 1: show up every single preseason game, and they're gonna need

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Speaker 1: that depth this year. I couldn't agree with you more.

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Speaker 1: And you know, b J. Hill, who has not necessarily

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Speaker 1: come up with a big sack, has gotten pressure, he's

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Speaker 1: gotten hits, he's made plays against the run, and and

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Speaker 1: this is a guy, folks. I just want to tell you.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about some of the guys at Lance mentioned

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Speaker 1: that's all well and good, but I'm telling you right now,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't figured it out by today, get on it.

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Speaker 1: B J. Hill is going to start for this team

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Speaker 1: week one and probably start all sixteen games as long

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Speaker 1: as he is healthy. He is that good, that athletic,

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Speaker 1: that explosive at the snap. B J. Hill is a

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Speaker 1: real good football player, period. I don't want to hear

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Speaker 1: about how he's a rookie. No, he's good this This

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Speaker 1: guy's gonna make waves in this league and and do

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Speaker 1: a lot of good things and greatly enhanced this Giant's

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Speaker 1: defensive line right from the get go. Well, that's why

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Speaker 1: I think it's impressive to notate the defensive tackles specifically.

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Speaker 1: I don't know b J. Hill is gonna move inside

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Speaker 1: we've talked about the starters, we talked about snacks, and

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Speaker 1: we talked about maybe a guy that's gonna rotate in

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Speaker 1: who's the third defensive tackle, who's the third nose tackle,

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Speaker 1: who's that other reliable option. This year, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: Never in recent history do I recall saying, you know what,

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Speaker 1: point you're gonna have to say we can't keep any

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Speaker 1: more defensive lineman. I mean, I've never seen a roster

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Speaker 1: that's got fifteen defensive linemen on it. Uh that they've

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Speaker 1: got a bunch of guys who certainly deserve jobs in

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Speaker 1: this league. Absolutely, I agree with you, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get into more of that in a second. A reminder,

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Speaker 1: throughout this season. On that subject, you and I have

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Speaker 1: had conversations off the air where we have been speculating

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Speaker 1: they're gonna keep eleven defensive lineman. In years past, I

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Speaker 1: think it was relatively simple to figure out who the

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Speaker 1: you know, we were going back and forth. It's take

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Speaker 1: your pick this type of season. Schmoll came to me

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Speaker 1: are thirty five locks right now that I can name

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Speaker 1: told him thirty four five would be locks for me.

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Speaker 1: So give or take between thirty five and forty probably

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Speaker 1: know that they're going to be on this team. Guess

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Speaker 1: So folks, I really advise you to watch every snap

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Speaker 1: You absolutely want to look specifically just because of what

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Speaker 1: Duke Man, It's uh um I have a little bit

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Speaker 1: has never been a full time starter, and I think

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Speaker 1: he's been, but he was a regular with the Niners,

431
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Speaker 1: though for a part of the season. I think he's

432
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 1: been with three organizations prior to coming to the Giants.

433
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, I think you may be right.

434
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: I'll look that up just to um, I guess what

435
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying is much like Jonathan Cassius, who had gone

436
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: through some travels before he got here and was primarily

437
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: known as a special teams player. Yeah, I think he's

438
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: an NFL player. I think he can help a team,

439
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 1: But there is a ceiling there as to how much

440
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: upside a guy like that has when he's already been

441
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: in the league for a handful of years. It's not

442
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 1: like he's a third year pro who you can still say.

443
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 1: There's gotta be a lot of untapped potential there. Maybe

444
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: the other teams didn't scratch the surface of it, but

445
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 1: we're going to bring it out of him. That doesn't

446
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 1: happen after a guy has already been with three other

447
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 1: organizations and he's been in the league for six years.

448
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: That's that's not the case. What you hope is he

449
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,360
Speaker 1: can at least be serviceable on a regular basis, which

450
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 1: is what Jonathan can see us was for the Giants,

451
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: although I would add he was a really good locker

452
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: room guy and was a co captain. Sometimes you need

453
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: that too, You need that reliable veteran who could provide insurance.

454
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: To answer your question, Rams, Raiders, Niners, those were the

455
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: three teams before he was with the Giants, and in

456
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: terms of playing time, it fluctuated throughout the course of

457
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 1: his career. I mean when he was in the league

458
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,479
Speaker 1: for the first time with the Ramsey did play all

459
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Speaker 1: sixteen games, he did not start. The most starts he's

460
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: had is six in a season. So, like you said,

461
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Speaker 1: not a full time player, but a guy that has

462
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: appeared in nearly every game when he has been fully healthy.

463
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: And to me, it's the Jonathan Cassius, the Keenan Robinson's.

464
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: I know Robinson had some injury issues, but you need

465
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: that veteran on your depth chart. Doesn't mean this guy

466
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Speaker 1: has to start, Paul, but he's somebody that could come in,

467
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: knows the system. In a pinch, you could put him

468
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: in there and you feel comfortable. Well, I think he's

469
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Speaker 1: one of those guys who maybe can help as a

470
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: role player, as a supplemental player. But you know, our call,

471
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Speaker 1: it was a Doug Duke. Duke Duke was saying big upside.

472
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Speaker 1: I know I can't put upside next to the words

473
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: Ray Armstrong. What I can say is potentially helpful, but

474
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: upside no, No upside is if we Moss has upside,

475
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: that's a guy who's got tremendous potential and will see

476
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: if they can draw it out of him, and if

477
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Speaker 1: he can mature and he can develop, there may be

478
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: big upside with him. Ray Ray Armstrong is just the

479
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: guy you hope is serviceable and confunction and and be

480
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Speaker 1: of some assistance to you and also contribute on special

481
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: teams too, which is important because if you're gonna be

482
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Speaker 1: that complimentary player. The one thing I will say is

483
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: though after the preseason game against the Lions Paul, they

484
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: did throw him out there in the nickel with the

485
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: first team. So that's encouraging that they perhaps like his

486
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: versatility and they believe that he is effective in stopping

487
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Speaker 1: the run and out in coverage, which he showed by

488
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: being in the right place and getting an interception. So

489
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Speaker 1: if you were to ask me right now of the

490
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Speaker 1: thirty four thirty five players that we were talking about

491
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Speaker 1: that you and John had mentioned, I would include Ray

492
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Speaker 1: Ray Armstrong in my fifty three. As it stands right now,

493
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: he would be in my fifty three. I will as well,

494
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: especially because Calvin Munson's out with a concussion, and Munson

495
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: was a guy who was trying to compete for that

496
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: inside linebacker depth chart. At the moment, he can't play

497
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: right right Armstrong can, so that also works in Armstrong's favor.

498
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: Can't make the team when you're in the tub. As

499
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: they always say in terms of Sam Beale, I mean

500
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Speaker 1: as far as his upside, which is what the last

501
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: caller was alluding to, Paul, He's not gonna play this season,

502
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think we're getting ahead of ourselves.

503
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: We covered him immensely where he was drafted, you can, certainly,

504
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: but when when you start to look at and I

505
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Speaker 1: don't know if I heard you correctly, but I think

506
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: he was referring to maybe pro football focuses rankings or numbers,

507
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how much weight that holds, because let's

508
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: face it, those are purely based on what the guys

509
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: did in college and has nothing to do what they

510
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: did in the NFL. So comparing him to other young

511
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: secondary players, I think, to me is irrelevant. I don't

512
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: think it holds much weight. Real quickly, before we get

513
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: back to lines outside of Lawrence Taylor, do you have

514
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: another veteran? Might as well start with you, because you know,

515
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: if anybody has covered this team for the last three centuries,

516
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: it's you. There are a lot of ways I could

517
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: go here, Okay, a lot of ways I could go,

518
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: But I'm going to base this on the fact that

519
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: the Giants don't know who they're starting free safety is

520
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: right now. With that in play, I probably want Spider Lockhard. Okay,

521
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: Spider Lockhard was a multiple time Pro Bowl player, and

522
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: they badly need to solidify that free safety spot on

523
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Speaker 1: their starting lineup. So I would say that I would

524
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Speaker 1: also quite frankly, be kind of gritting my teeth a

525
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: little bit because I would not mind, you know, going

526
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: after maybe uh, you want to talk legend. Rosie Brown

527
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: was a heck of a tackle. In fact, he's in

528
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I would love to have Rosie Brown,

529
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: and maybe putting eight Soldier over at right tackling, put

530
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: Rosie Brown at left tackle. Not all good ones. But

531
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Speaker 1: this is because of the current state of the team.

532
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: Of course, I think you have to consider it that way.

533
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: You can't just if you just randomly pick out a

534
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: grand I mean, for example, I could say, well, let's

535
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: come back Tiki Barber, But what do you need Tiki for.

536
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd love Andy will Pastelli. Don't get me wrong.

537
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: He's a Hall of Fame defensive and I'd love him.

538
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: But I do think the Giants could use an upgrade

539
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: at at free safety because they don't have an answer

540
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: right now. And and I would feel a lot more

541
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: comfortable if if a Hall of Fame offensive tackle was

542
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: on this team. Well, I think everybody else would uh

543
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: would love that as well. Where when you need it,

544
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: he should be on this believe it or not. He

545
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: is on the phone light. We'll get to him. Thing

546
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: a little bit amazing how your ears are burning or

547
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: his ears are burning. I was going to say a

548
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: safety as well, and I was gonna go with a

549
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: guy that I hosted a show with earlier this week.

550
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: I don't think if you had Antrai Roll, you'd be

551
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: in a bad position. Somebody that you can move around

552
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: because of the battle for the third cornerback spot in

553
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: the slot and the safety. His versatility I know wasn't

554
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: playing more many three wide combinations in those days either.

555
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: So that's why I was gonna go in that direction.

556
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: Oh I love Spider though, No, I don't think you're

557
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: wrong with Spider. I think Spider is a good one,

558
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking more of a guy that could play

559
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: the safety. You can move him into the slot. That's

560
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: where I was thinking. And I actually remember um Spider

561
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: actually had taken some snaps at corner too. He was

562
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: primarily a free safety and that's where he made his

563
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: money and became a Pro Bowl player. But it wasn't

564
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: like he couldn't do it well. If he sits the

565
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: versatility bill, I think you can't have enough of those

566
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: players on the team. You know who I was thinking

567
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: about when we were just talking about the tackles, because

568
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of a swing tackle you could all want. Deal.

569
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: Deal would be another good one for that and the

570
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: the the name is escaping me. The Giants tackle that

571
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: was on the team in that two thousand nine ten

572
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: ballpark that used to move around a lot. He was

573
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: the extra tackle. Former Washington Redskin Seawn something in my no,

574
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: am I taking any the wrong player for the mercaw

575
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: Sean Lockleer, Yeah, Sean Locklear. That's why, man, I'm sorry,

576
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: Why would you want him? Well? Because he was a

577
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: swing guy. Yeah, it was extremely valuable. Why would I

578
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: not Deal Deal? I understand that, but I think if

579
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: you're looking at the depth chart, Deal was also a

580
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: mainstay in terms of the starting lineup. I'm talking about

581
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: if I needed a guy that could play the would

582
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind bumping one of these tackles to the

583
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: bench to put Rosie Brown at if you really want

584
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: to go, that's a Hall of Fame is not coming

585
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: to my team. I understand that, but I'm start but

586
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm being realistic again in terms of the makeup of

587
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: this team. That's why I'm saying, if you wanted somebody

588
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: who Okay, you feel you're okay with your five, but

589
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: you wanted that six or seventh guy that could play

590
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: either side, That's why I was going in that direction. Okay,

591
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: just the just the complimentary piece. The other part. Yeah,

592
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: the question was also he wanted to know giants legend,

593
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: Well legend define legend to me? What I mean? Do

594
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: they have to play X amount of year? I think

595
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: he probably either had to be on a Super Bowl

596
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: winning team or Pro Bowl. I think that's kind of

597
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: it makes then at least at least to a minimal degree,

598
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: makes alleged. Obviously, then Lockley is not going to fit

599
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: that bill that I'm not going to disagree with you.

600
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: There no trust me. You don't have to apologize. I

601
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: just think those types of players on this team I

602
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: would not have a problem. Well, but see, then it

603
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: goes back to the fact that do you really need

604
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: a defensive end right now? Though? See I'm I'm looking

605
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: at the makeup of the roster. I'm not every Buddy

606
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: Michael straight and probably wouldn't mind playing for this team. Well,

607
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: I can name Oz Human, You're and Justin tuck to.

608
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: But he goes back to there's a lot of good

609
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: defensive linement on this which is what we just talked about.

610
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: So I think you gotta stay with a need or

611
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: avoid that you feel is presented by the team. What

612
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: if I sent Plexic either of those too. Plexico would

613
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: be a good one, given the fact that you could

614
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: argue maybe they need a tall or wide receiver as

615
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: a compliment bunch of short guys playing the position, and

616
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: that could go get them absolutely. Two zero one three

617
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: is the telephone number. Let's head back to the line.

618
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: Scott is in New Mexico. Scott, what's happening. Good afternoon, guys,

619
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Speaker 1: How are you doing. I'm going to be interested tonight

620
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: in seeing what the running backs do, and I wanted

621
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: to get your opinion. There's been a lot of callers, uh,

622
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: calling in lately sort of I wouldn't say bashing Jonathan Stewart,

623
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: but sort of magating his presence. And I think that's

624
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: a little bit disingenuous because last year he rushed for

625
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: over six forty yards or so. I know his production

626
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: per yards per carry was down, but he's still a

627
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: very viable back. So do you think tonight he'll get

628
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more time? Aren't they going to be

629
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: more looking at, say, Robert Martin and the other running

630
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: back that he's competing with. Well, you have to understand,

631
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: Jaylon Simmons is in custom protocol. So even though he

632
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: got out on the practice field the other day and

633
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: was able to at least walk around in the sunlight, Uh,

634
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: I don't believe he's been cleared yet. At least I

635
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: have heard anything in the last twenty four hours, which

636
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: means Robert Martin is now in a really good position

637
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: to move ahead in the race between those two guys.

638
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: I would assume Robert Martin is gonna get a lot

639
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: of action in the fourth quarter, how early maybe third Also,

640
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know the answer to that, but you

641
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: will see a heavy dose of him. And they've also

642
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: arrested Jonathan Stewart throughout practices during camp, so he's one

643
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: of those veterans who gets paced correct. So to Scott's point,

644
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is it could be one of those

645
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: mindsets where the coaching step says, listen, Jonathan, we know

646
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: what you have to offer this team. We know what

647
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: you bring to the locker room. We don't necessarily feel

648
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: we need to wear you down and give you X

649
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: amount of reps because your place on this team is

650
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: where we envisioned it. That could be their philosophy. I'm

651
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: not saying that anybody's just handed a roster spot, but

652
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised of all the guys on this team.

653
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: I don't really think Jonathan Stewart needs to go out

654
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: there and get fifteen carries to show what you can do.

655
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: I think what what's gonna happen. Coach Sherman already told

656
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: us Presley is gonna play tonight, so you will see

657
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: a lot of Robert Martin and a lot of Pressley

658
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: in the second half. And coach also made it clear

659
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: to us when Simmons went to the concussion protocol that

660
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: Shane Smith is a viable option in the one back.

661
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: He'd like to see him perhaps carry some as a

662
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: half back in this Giant's offense, So we may see

663
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: some Shane Smith gets get some action tonight too. Okay,

664
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: another question in regards to the free safety that you

665
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: guys were talking about. I'm a big componer of Michael Thomas.

666
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: I think he has the skill level to play the position.

667
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: Do you think he'll get a little bit of work

668
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: tonight or is Curtis Riley going to get the bulk

669
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: of the reps tonight? Alright, Scott, appreciate the phone call.

670
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: I've been very high on Michael Thomas too since he

671
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: joined the ranks of this team. I think Curtis Riley, though,

672
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: is probably gonna be the first safety up and then

673
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: we'll probably see the others rotate in. I don't know

674
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: if they're gonna move anyone ahead of Curtis Riley, mainly

675
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: because Paul he missed the first preseason game, as we mentioned,

676
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: so if you're the coaching staff, you still want to

677
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: see more work out of Curtis Riley. With Landon Collins,

678
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: I agree with that he will be with the starters.

679
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: He was with them during practice all week. No reason

680
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: to think they're going to change it tonight. Michael Thomas

681
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: will get his reps. He will get his share of reps.

682
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll be with the second team

683
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: or the third team. I can't answer that for you.

684
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: He'll get his reps, and obviously he'll have an opportunity.

685
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: Look if he comes down with two interceptions in tonight's game,

686
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: that's gonna help his cause. The bottom line is that

687
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: job hasn't been won by anybody yet. It hasn't. But

688
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier, I think if you go

689
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: based on practice habits, and I think it's hard for

690
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: me to envision that somebody right now has surpassed Curtis Riley,

691
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: unless Riley screws up, or unless somebody has such a

692
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: stellar performance in the next couple of games that they

693
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,959
Speaker 1: suddenly push him aside. Well, it's fluid, just like anything else,

694
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: So it's certainly possible for Andrew Adams and Michael Thomas

695
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: to make the move. But as it stands right now,

696
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: I think we're both in agreement that it's Curtis Riley's

697
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: position to lose. I think it is. That's how I view.

698
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: I think it is, even though coach won't say that,

699
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: I think it is. Let's head back to the lines,

700
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: speaking of the devil Letton in Columbia, Maryland. Let what's happening. Hello,

701
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: Hey guys, Hey guys, how good, good good, Paul, thanks

702
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: for the shout out. I think you got it. Um,

703
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: I think you got it right. You know, Rosie Brown,

704
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: one of one of the one of one of the

705
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: top five of all time. Um wow, he'd fit in.

706
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: Of course, you could go through a bunch of other

707
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: guys who would fit into. Jim Patton at safety. Oh wow,

708
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: what a player. Yeah. The problem with with Patton for me,

709
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: Land is that I only saw films on him. I

710
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: saw Spider play for real. So for me, it's a

711
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: lot easier for me to go to Spider. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

712
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: I got you. Um one one, just one one of

713
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: the quick one on the you know, on the great

714
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: of the past. Um first game my father ever took

715
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: me to guys two. I was nine years old. He

716
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: said to me, I'm not going to tell you any names.

717
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give you a couple of numbers. Watched

718
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: number forty five and one, number seventy three, Emlyntonnell and

719
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: Arnie Weinmeister. We got a little bit through the first

720
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: half and I turned to him and I said, Dad,

721
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: nobody can block number seventy three. He's in on every tackle.

722
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: Arnie Weinmeister, what a terrific run stopper. Oh my goodness. Listen, Paul,

723
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's um and Lance the numbers game.

724
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: If we're sure of thirty five, if we start, if

725
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: we moved to the back end, are the thirty you

726
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: are pretty sure of aren't going to make this team? Paul. Yeah,

727
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: And let's let's just use that as a number so

728
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: so I can make my point. That leaves us, guys

729
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: for eighteen positions. Um, somebody are going to have somebody's

730
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: going to have to make a play to make this team.

731
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: That's pretty tight, or else we're gonna be looking at

732
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: the waiver wire as well. But I mean, it's as

733
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: to a very few, don't you think, PAULA look We

734
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: would be really, really remiss and naive if we sat

735
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: here and had a phone conversation and said the Giants

736
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: were not going to study the waiver wire. Given the

737
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: fact that they are number two on the list, you

738
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: gotta think somebody's gonna pop free that they're going to

739
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: pick up. It's it's gonna happen. I mean, it's gonna be.

740
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: I would think so. But you made a very good point,

741
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: and John talked to John talked about this yesterday. You know,

742
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: we're really talking about guys who are forty seven through

743
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: fifty three. I mean, I don't know. Maybe there's a

744
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: Sean Locklair out there, lands and that was a good name.

745
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: That's a great name, uh for a swing tackle. But Bob,

746
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: who are not who are not overwhelmed with offensive lineman

747
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 1: are probably gonna grab the guy. So it's gonna be.

748
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: It's really gonna be pretty tough. But I think we're

749
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: down to a few numbers and that's what's gonna make

750
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: these uh next couple of games, you know, these last

751
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: two games and also maybe three practices next week, which

752
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: you guys will get to see awfully important. Somebody is

753
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: really gonna have to you know, get these coaches attention.

754
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: You know, the thing which Shepherd, Russell Shepherd. I think

755
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: he's got a good shot to make the team. You know,

756
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: he gives us a little size outside. Jeez, we're small,

757
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: and you know at six three that's pretty good. The

758
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: only guy bigger is Bundy. But I don't think Bundy

759
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: is going to make the team. I don't. Yeah, So

760
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: I think I think Shepherd's a good one and the

761
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: only you know, I've always liked Louis Um. You know,

762
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: I like him mostly for you know, special teams play.

763
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: I think he could be number five if we go

764
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: to six. You know, you start thinking who can play

765
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: in the slot. If something happens to Shepherd, who can

766
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: we uh? You know, remember they're I think he's cable.

767
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: I remember they have all of these wide receivers playing

768
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: all three positions because they want to Beckham too much.

769
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe a player too, but you're not really

770
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: gonna move Beckham into the spot. What happens if what happens,

771
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: If Sterling gets snicked up and Mrs two or three,

772
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: Russell Shepherd is capable, believe it or not, even though

773
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: he's on the tallest side. There are some coaches who

774
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: prefer to use a tall guy in the slot because

775
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: they know that the other guy's nicol is going to

776
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: be short. Correct, because that's usually the ideal matcher. By

777
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: the way, Hunter Sharp can also play the slot. You can.

778
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: By the way, let's not forget the Giants have absolutely

779
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 1: no inhibitions about putting Evan Ingram out there. Well, that's

780
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: true too, that's true too, But that would be another

781
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: another point in Shepherd's favor. Russell Shepherd's favor if he

782
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: can play in the slot, I didn't. He has shown that.

783
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: In fact, really, I just kept looking at his size

784
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: and I kept thinking to myself, no, no, he's an

785
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: outside guy. Real quickly here, I just want to jump

786
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: in before you continue. I don't know if you were

787
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: confusing the two. But Russell Shepherd, he does have size.

788
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: He's six one. I think you're referring to Alonzo Russell

789
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: is six's right, Yeah, keep in mind there's two. There's

790
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: a Russell Shepherd and also Russell Russell Shepherd is six

791
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: and Alonso Russell. So that may be enough. That may

792
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: be another reason why Shepherd is you know, a good

793
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: guy for in that in that slow But Russell Shepherd

794
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: does have length the land, which is very important. And

795
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: it does it does go to the point that you

796
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: made at the beginning of the call. He's one of

797
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: the giants taller receivers. Yes, yes, yes, and we do

798
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: need we do need some size. There's no question about that.

799
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: Um let me let me throw out something something controversial

800
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: here and just and it kind of kind of gets

801
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: your opinion. It just seems from you know, watching the

802
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: first two games and from what I'm reading, and you

803
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: guys have seen a lot more than I have them,

804
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: and I just saw the one practice, So I'm reading

805
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff Shahn's notes and so forth. Um

806
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: is wheel are wheel are in the top ten of

807
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: offensive lineman on this team? I mean, as he dropped

808
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: down top ten of offensive linemen on this team. I

809
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: don't think that's for the top ten. I don't think

810
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: that you're talking about. I don't think it's controversial. You're

811
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: talking about if you had to take the five guys

812
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: to back up the five staughters. Yeah, I would include

813
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: Wheeler in that five. In most situation, you get him

814
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: to seven, would you again? Would you get him to

815
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: a point where he gets a uniform on Sunday? But

816
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: I don't. But I don't think you're gonna keep ten

817
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. First of all, that far has he dropped

818
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: off this off this squad, uh Land. I would say this,

819
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: if the Giants see a very appetizing through tackle on

820
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: the cut list, I don't think they would hesitate to

821
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: grab him. How about that, well, I would That's what

822
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm here, That's what I've heard, read and seen in

823
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: the two games. I would I would agree with that.

824
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like he's he's kind of losing

825
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: his statue with with with this team. Um, I'm not

826
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: going to say Beckton's again. I was, you know, trying

827
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: to exaggerate a little bit, but you know I didn't.

828
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: I didn't see him playing much. I didn't see him

829
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: playing much better than Beckton. And Beckton place both sides.

830
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: I think, I guess Wheeler could play both side, but

831
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: he can. He can. But I think it's very fair

832
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: to say that Wheeler does not have a strangle hold

833
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: on a roster spot. And think and think about this,

834
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: Len and we'll let you continue. The sample size for

835
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: Chad Wheeler in terms of his competition is minute. It's

836
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: almost like non existent. So that's why to me, I

837
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: automatically say, of course he's in the next five. You

838
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: mentioned Nick Beckton. Okay, John Jerry is an option at

839
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: right tackle, but that's not his regular position, I think anymore,

840
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: because after trying it with the third team for a

841
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: couple of practices, they stopped doing it. They took him

842
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: off that and and they're not using them out there

843
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: at all anymore. So I don't think they liked within.

844
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: So then okay, let's remove Jerry then from the equation.

845
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: So my point is with what Lens talking about is

846
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: so you're telling me, Paul, then if you're looking at

847
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: the backup tackles on this team, Chad Wheeler, Nick Beckton,

848
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: and Victor Salaco who was a late arrival because he

849
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: was waived by Cleveland, that's it. That's the only players

850
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: that you are toying with about playing on the outside.

851
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: Everybody else is a guard assenter. So and you questioned

852
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: who else does he have to beat out? That that's

853
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: not a really big sample size we're talking about. He's

854
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: got to beat out somebody on the cut list from

855
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: another team. That's what he's got. I agree with him.

856
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: I think that's the way to look at it. That's

857
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: I think that's that's probably the answer. Let me let me,

858
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: let me let me say something about John Jerry. You know,

859
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: this guy has come in here and worked hard for

860
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: us when he's working on his fifth year and now

861
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: fourth fifth year with us, and I want to give

862
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: him credits for that. But it's time to move on, guys,

863
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: It's time to move on. Here's here's here's the thing.

864
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,479
Speaker 1: I will say. It's just it's just he's not he's

865
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: not capable of playing center. And I believe by the

866
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: token reps they gave him a tackle and then gave

867
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: up on it. I believe they agree that he's not

868
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: capable of playing tackle. Well, if that's the case, keeping

869
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: a guy who is exclusively a backup guard is really

870
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: not a very valuable way to go. No he's not, No,

871
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: he's I would agree with that call. And that's that's

872
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, is that I think there and

873
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,959
Speaker 1: there's even options off the you know, if you look

874
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: at the revised contract that Jerry signed, I mean it's

875
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: almost like the giants of telling him, look, you're in

876
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: come to camp, you're an insurance policy if somebody gets hurt.

877
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: I mean, they cut his condent got him down to

878
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: one year um cut the amount of money he was

879
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: going to get, and then the incentive. The the incentive

880
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: was if he makes the forty six, he gets a

881
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: certain amount of money. Each game that he's in. They're

882
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: almost telling him, you know, to quote Charlie up in Maine,

883
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: he's he's he's like the will be the insurance player. Well,

884
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: I think if you were to ask me right now, Len,

885
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: I think that bred Jones to me is a guy

886
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: that could play center and guard. So he's attractive, okay,

887
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: because when you're looking at offensive lineman six, seven, and eight,

888
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: to Paul's point, you want to make sure that they're interchangeable,

889
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: that they're not just playing one position. So he is appealing.

890
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: Then you know, if they decide they want to keep

891
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: one of these young tackles and then, as I mentioned, Jerry,

892
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: you play guard and then a real insurance policy, God

893
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: forbid at tackle or you know. The other guy we

894
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: haven't talked about is John Greco. And if you were

895
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: to ask me, I think Jerry and Greco are battling

896
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: out for one of those maybe three backup off I'm factoring.

897
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: I can't believe. I can't believe Greco actually sat on

898
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: his couch at home for twelve weeks last year. I mean,

899
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about a Pro Bowl player, but this

900
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: guy belongs in the NFL. How did somebody not sign

901
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: this guy? He's Okay, Here's the thing. If John Jerry

902
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: is either a backup or even not on this team,

903
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: and that actually tells you something about what the Giants

904
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: have done to the offensive line because he's been a

905
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: starter since he got here, and he's been a starter

906
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: of so it tells you that they have upgraded and

907
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: that itself should be proved to anybody out there who

908
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: doesn't think that the Giants offensive line is any better,

909
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: because this is the big thing. Is that is that

910
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: is that tackles a third tackle? I'm really I'm really

911
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: kind of concerned about the understand that that spot. That's

912
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: why I want in the center, right Jones Jones and

913
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: Hallo Hallapeo. Let me let me give you guys a

914
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: lesson in wage and salary administration. I'm just kidding. I'm

915
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: just kidding when they say that, but you can you

916
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: can't have Jones as a backup. You're gonna pay him

917
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: five times what you're paying Appeal no, no, no, no,

918
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: no no. The coaches don't care about that time out Land.

919
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: You should know better. Pat Schumer's in the business of

920
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: trying to turn this team around. He is not looking

921
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: at the backs of people's contracts to figure out who's owed,

922
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: what money, and what bonuses are involved. He doesn't give

923
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: two horses behinds about that. He's trying to win games.

924
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: But if you're the second guy, if you're the first

925
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: guy making making five times less money than the second

926
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: guys making, you're thinking, let me say this to you.

927
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: To me, it's not a good situation. Even if he

928
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: plays two positions, plays three position. Even if Olipio wins

929
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: the starting on our job opening day against Jacksonville, I

930
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: guarantee you Brett Jones will play snaps during this regular season.

931
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: I guarantee it. I don't know if it's going to

932
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: be at center or if it's going to be at guard.

933
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: Brett Jones will play for this team this year. You

934
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: got a lock. You very rarely have the same five

935
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: starting offensive lineman get through all sixteen games. The rare

936
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: occurrences when the Giants had what that consecutive game street

937
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: which Howard Deal and all those guys which is unheard

938
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: of in today's NFL. And all by the way you'd

939
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: have to do though, guys, is look a look at

940
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: the history here. If hall appeal isn't the starter against Jacksonville,

941
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be shocked. He's been the starter since May.

942
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean, what's going to change? And that I would

943
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: to count Fred Jones out. I would not count him

944
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: out Land, I would not count him out. And I

945
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: would also add this, we don't know exactly what the

946
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: Giants are going to unveil during the regular season. We

947
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: know that the preseason's vanilla, and even some of the

948
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: stuff we've seen the practice. We don't see everything at practice. Okay,

949
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: they got a lot of stuff hidden in the closet.

950
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: Would it surprise you? And I will tell you this,

951
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: it would really make me very very happy if all

952
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: of a sudden and go on and shoot you on

953
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 1: its situations, the Giants go with a sixth offensive lineman.

954
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: How does it? Right now? Nobody knows what they got planned.

955
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: But what if all both Hallapeo and Jones are both

956
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: in there because they go with a jumbo formation and

957
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: go six offensive linemen in those situations. Now, all of

958
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's clear why both of those guys who

959
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: are on the team. Yeah, there's versatility there. You can't

960
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: overlook that. If if Hallapeo handles this nose tackle on

961
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: the Jets tonight, he's locked He's locked down that starting spot. Brett. Look,

962
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: I love Jones, hustler, great guy, terrific story, very smart

963
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: against three four defenses. Last year, Paul, he struggled well.

964
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: He does have a size Disadvantage's team is a little

965
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: bit smaller, there's no question about it. And and despite

966
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 1: his effort, there are gonna be times that he will

967
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: be a bit overpowered. Yes, yes, I understand that. I'm

968
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: thinking that happened one matchup. I'm watching tonight, I'm watching

969
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: hall Apeo. That's fine because this will be the only

970
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: three or four team we played in the preseason. And

971
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: this this is a traditional, This is no hybrid three

972
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: four team. The traditional that's correct. They got that big

973
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: guy in the middle, three thirty pounds. Let's see if

974
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: Hallapeo can control that guy and we can run the ball.

975
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: That's fair. Yeah, that's very fair. And and remember one

976
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: thing coach always made it clear, the center has got

977
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: to be mentally on top of the game. So it's

978
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: not just the physical mistakes, it's the mental mistakes. The

979
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: center who makes the fewest mental mistakes is probably going

980
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: to win the job. Yeah. I'm going to choose my

981
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: words carefully, but you know how I feel about centers, Paul.

982
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: I believe that's the vital position. If you're rebuilding an

983
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: offensive line, you start with the center for just the

984
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: reasons that you outlined. For leadership use you need and

985
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: a rebuild, you need the anchor in the middle. But

986
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing with what the Giants did with going

987
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: was sold around the outside. You know that, you know

988
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: that that kind of thing. I understand the importance of

989
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: the left tackle. But this is gonna be to me.

990
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: This is gonna be interesting tonight. It will appreciate the phone. Hey, thanks, hey, thanks,

991
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: and Paul, thanks for the shoutouts. But the other thing

992
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: to keep a note real quickly on a side note,

993
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: in terms of his point about salary, rookies take jobs

994
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: away from established starters all the time in the National

995
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: Football League, and they don't all of a sudden go

996
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: to the rookie and like, now we've got to reevaluate

997
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: your contract and give you a boost. So that's nothing

998
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: to worry about as far and topologists worry about contracts,

999
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: head coaches do not well. But I also I agree

1000
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: with you, but I think maybe what Len was touching on,

1001
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: and this is just me putting two and two together,

1002
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: was he was maybe worried about what the locker room

1003
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: is going to be like if a guy wins a

1004
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: starting job and is making less than I agree with you,

1005
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it's relevant all. Plus, I mean, let's

1006
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 1: not forget John Halapio has been in the league since

1007
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen. Okay, he's been with a variety of teams,

1008
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: hasn't always made the regular season roster. We're talking about

1009
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: a player that has played in ten games since two

1010
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen, and it started six games. Brett Jones actually

1011
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: has more of a resume in regular season games then

1012
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: Halapio does at this point, So I mean that puts

1013
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: it in person. Halapio was in the same boat as

1014
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: Armstrong and that he's been in number of years with

1015
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: a number of teams and never been a regular starter.

1016
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: That's fair. The only thing I would say, a great

1017
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: way same boat Ray Ray though, was actually on the

1018
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: fifty three. There were times where a Hallapeo. Paul was

1019
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: with the team in the off season and didn't make

1020
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: the team. The Experimental Football League, Hallapeo, the f x

1021
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: FL fall Experimental Football League? Is that what it was called?

1022
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: You know they don't have the league. Well, it's the

1023
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: Boston Brawlers who you're referring to. The Boston Brawlers. What league?

1024
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: Where they XFL? The New York team played at the

1025
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: Mets minor league ballpark, the Brooklyn Bolts. He also played

1026
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: for them to Yeah, they played at m c U Park,

1027
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: which is where the Cyclos. I mean, you talk about

1028
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: a crazy path to make it into an NFL starting lineup. Wow,

1029
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: Well that's why a guy like him, he's just happy

1030
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: to be on question. And you also know he's gonna

1031
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: max out in terms of effort because he is so

1032
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: grateful and appreciative for the opportunity that he has. I'm

1033
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: just not so sure that I'm as quick to push

1034
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: Brett Jones to the side as some other people are. Well,

1035
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: it's like I look at Curtis Riley Paul. I personally

1036
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: think between Riley and Hallapeo, it's their positions to lose.

1037
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean they're locked in, but I do think

1038
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: they both have an edge in those departments, and time

1039
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: will tell. Let's head back to the lines. Jerome is

1040
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: in Charlotte, Jerome, welcome aboard. What do you got for us? Hi? Guys, Um,

1041
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: I listened to you every day all day. Thank you nice,

1042
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate you big um. Question is um at the

1043
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: next week the players get cut, how much of the money? Uh?

1044
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 1: Do any of the money go back to the salary

1045
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: cap so we can sign more players? Or that you know?

1046
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: Pretty much done deal? Well, keep in mind salaries for

1047
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: the regular season for players is paid during the course

1048
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: of the regular season. You don't get game checks until

1049
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: the start of the regular season. In terms of the

1050
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: salary cap, I mean most players that are cut probably

1051
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: did not have guaranteed contracts to begin with, Paul, unless

1052
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 1: they wind up getting rid of a veteran that had

1053
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: some guaranteed money, then that's something that they have to

1054
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: think about the ramifications. But most of the guys that

1055
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: are let go Jerome to answer your question, are not

1056
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: going to have a huge impact on the salary cap

1057
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: because they probably didn't have a guaranteed contract. So we

1058
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: will be getting some money back afterwards, no problem. You're

1059
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: probably not gonna get much because, like I said, they weren't.

1060
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: First of all, the salary cap is based on the

1061
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Speaker 1: fifty three man roster too, so when you cut down

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Speaker 1: from nine d you're just shedding players down to get

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Speaker 1: to fifty three. You're not all of a sudden giving

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Speaker 1: yourself more wiggle room in terms of the salary cap.

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Speaker 1: In fact, that the one thing that could actually hurt

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Speaker 1: you is if you do cut a veteran who has

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Speaker 1: an extended contract, the bonus money which gets paraded over

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Speaker 1: the length of his contract gets accelerated due to the

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Speaker 1: remaining years on the deal when you cut him, so

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Speaker 1: we could actually cast can hurt you more so than

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Speaker 1: help you. Help you wind up cutting a guy who

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Speaker 1: SATs a baggage. If anything, either reverse, it's gonna hurt

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Speaker 1: your cap. It's not gonna help your cap. Okay um um.

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Speaker 1: One more question. If the John's unable to sign Um

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Speaker 1: signed Beckham to a long term deal, where you think

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Speaker 1: they go ahead and sign Um Collins and and then

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Speaker 1: that way they can franchise just Beckham. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: the idea right now is to try to get the

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Speaker 1: Beckham deal done so that they have the franchise tag

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Speaker 1: in their pocket and could use it on landing Collins

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Speaker 1: if warranted. Um, but your scenario is the other way

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Speaker 1: you're suggesting they reverse that potentially signed Collins and franchise Beckham.

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Speaker 1: Is that is that your suggestion? Yes, I mean that's

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Speaker 1: not that's the deal with Beckham. I mean it's it's

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Speaker 1: absolutely possible. I wouldn't say it's not possible. Put it

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Speaker 1: this way, if your franchise Collins, the number is gonna

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Speaker 1: be a heck of a lot lower than if you

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Speaker 1: franchise Beckham, because receivers make a lot more money than safeties. Two.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, thank you appreciate the phone call.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for weighing in. Time will tell and

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Speaker 1: how those things play out. But I think if you

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Speaker 1: could get one contract done, obviously it gives you some

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Speaker 1: wiggle room, not just for the other player, but for

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Speaker 1: anything else that may come up next off season. Two.

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00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: NFL is always a fluid situation. So once you get

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00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 1: one guy hammered down and then gives you the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to look at the next steps on your roster. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure the Giants are thinking like that. But when

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Speaker 1: you have the franchise tag. The benefit is, Paul, you

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Speaker 1: at least know you can use it on one of

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Speaker 1: those two players in the event that a long term

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Speaker 1: deal has not been worked out. Very true. So that's

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Speaker 1: what they did with JPP a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: It's a placeholder. That's essentially what it is. It buys

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Speaker 1: you more time. Let's check out Twitter before we wrap

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Speaker 1: up the program. A number of people weighing in on

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Speaker 1: a few subjects that we brought up. Matt at Sirbrow

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00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 1: three Betcher use the hybrid safety linebacker in Arizona seems

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00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: like a perfect fit for Land than Collins or Andrew

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Speaker 1: Adams thoughts on a three safety set in order to

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Speaker 1: get Adams on the field more like the Grant. Here's

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Speaker 1: what I would say. If the Giants linebackers have trouble

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Speaker 1: during the early part of the regular season in coverage

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Speaker 1: and teams begin to exploit them with tight ends, which

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00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: we've seen over the last several years. And of course

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00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: they've retooled the linebackers this summer, and so they're going

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Speaker 1: to give these guys a chance to succeed. But if

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Speaker 1: they can't, I would not be surprised if the Giants

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Speaker 1: go to a three safety package at some point during

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Speaker 1: the season and take one of those other linebackers off.

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Speaker 1: That would not surprise me at all. But they're going

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Speaker 1: to give them every opportunity to prove that they can

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Speaker 1: do the job first, and we're not talking about preseason.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna have to get into the regular season and

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Speaker 1: show that that that's going to be an issue. If so,

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Speaker 1: that's a potential solution. And day On Buchanan, who played

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Speaker 1: for the Arizona Cardinals, was a player that moved from

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Speaker 1: safety to linebackers, so he has a history of doing that.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean he's gonna do that for Landon Collins.

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Speaker 1: But the hybrid player is very valuable in this defense.

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Speaker 1: That I think is fair to say, because he likes

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Speaker 1: to move guys around and try to maximize the opportunities

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Speaker 1: to get turnovers and get to the quarterback. So whoever

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Speaker 1: can showcase that, and I think Landon Collins has proven

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Speaker 1: he can be moved around and be effective. Here's another

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Speaker 1: relevant question speaking of defense. This comes from Lisa at

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Speaker 1: so Bad six. What you're under the radar defensive player

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Speaker 1: that you guys think is going to make this team. Well,

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00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: I've been very high on this player. I've said him

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Speaker 1: on multiple programs. I think A. J. Francis is an

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00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: under the radar defensive player who I think is going

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Speaker 1: to make this team. So that would be my nominee.

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Speaker 1: And I'm a big fan of every Moss. He intrigues

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Speaker 1: me beyond belief. So there we go. So we're sticking

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Speaker 1: to two defensive lineman in terms of guys in the

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Speaker 1: mix to perhaps make this roster, and two guys to

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Speaker 1: watch out for certainly tonight, just to set the stage,

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Speaker 1: it is the eighth installment of the MetLife Ball. We're

1149
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: only to have our pregame radio coverage on w CBS

1150
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: News Radio eighty. Pregame starts at six thirty five, and

1151
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: then kick off his seven thirty five Wileft post game

1152
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: coverage immediately following the contest. For those of you in

1153
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: the local market, game is gonna be on w CBS

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Speaker 1: Channel two. It is the Jets broadcast this year. That's

1155
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: what happens when the team hosts, they get the advantage

1156
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: from a television standpoint, so you can watch that in

1157
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: the local market, and then he's gonna be replayed on

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Speaker 1: NFL Network. You are an excellent in regard tonight with me,

1159
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: but check your local listings. Check my twist Twitter. I did,

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Speaker 1: I did list it on Twitter. I believe it's Sunday

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Speaker 1: morning at nine a m. New York time, So if

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00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: you're in California, you gotta get up early Sunday morning.

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Speaker 1: Giants replay with the Jets. But NFL Network, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: if you can't watch the game live, we're gonna have

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00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: the radio broadcast and you'll have the ability to tune

1166
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: into that, especially if you're out of the market. So

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Speaker 1: stay locked to that Big Blue Kickoff Live is gonna

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00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: be up and running again next week. We're still gonna

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00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: be a two to three pm Eastern because of the

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Speaker 1: media schedules. Once the regular season starts, will let you

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Speaker 1: know of the adjusted time and once you tell them.

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Speaker 1: John already announced that the We didn't announce it. Well,

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Speaker 1: I didn't get the memo. We had conversations off the air. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's official. Now next week we're still two to three

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Speaker 1: New York times. The following week, when these Giants go

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Speaker 1: into their regular season practice Labor Day, we will be

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Speaker 1: on from one to thirty. Okay, so it has been

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Speaker 1: conferred and that's the only way we could do it

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01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: because of the Giants practice schedule and their media avails.

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01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: So for those of you who can adjust your lunch hour,

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01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: we'd appreciate it. For those of you who can't, we apologize,

1182
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: but it's the only way we could give you the

1183
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: proper cover and the archive will always be up on

1184
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: Giants dot com, So for those of you listen to

1185
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: the podcast or are able to tune in on the

1186
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: website a little bit later on the day, that will

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01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: still be correct available, so stay locked to that and

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01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: reminder that Big Blue Kickoff Live is now presented by

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Speaker 1: Amazing Giants prizes throughout the season. All right, Paul and

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Speaker 1: I are going to try to get a breather in

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01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: in between. We are up for part two of our

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01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: long marathon day. Enjoy the rest of your Friday, Enjoy

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01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: the game. Will speak to you on month day right

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01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: here on a Big Blue kick Off Live. Have a

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Speaker 1: good one.