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Speaker 2: Sa Quon Barkley's coming off his best year of his career,

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Speaker 2: which ending of him becoming a Super Bowl champion with

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Speaker 2: twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Sa Quan was.

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Speaker 2: Asked if he retire at the top of his game

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Speaker 2: or going to the wheels came off. I'll probably be

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Speaker 2: one of those guys that would be out of nowhere.

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Speaker 2: I'll probably just wake up one day where this's the next.

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Speaker 1: Year or two or four, and just be like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's over. I don't think I'll ever lose that passion.

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Speaker 2: The competitive nature is always going to be there. I like,

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Speaker 2: probably my favorite player of all time's Barry Sanders, So

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Speaker 2: probably similar to that. Maybe one day like nowhere, I'll

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Speaker 2: probably just be bawling and just be like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: a quiz d dah. We just talked about that, because

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Speaker 2: your situation was just like out of nowhere, like yeah, yup.

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Speaker 3: It was not as sudden.

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Speaker 4: Really, the ones in the inner circle, they knew the

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Speaker 4: situation and I was trying to push through. I was

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Speaker 4: looking for options to continue, but it's just it's over

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Speaker 4: for sure, Like I knew it, not as sudden as

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Speaker 4: like Barry Sanders, Calvin Johnson, Saquan is incredible Hall of

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Speaker 4: Fame talent. For sure, it'll be a he can't walk

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Speaker 4: away all of a sudden. We need to see some

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Speaker 4: more of that man. That's a special talent.

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Speaker 2: What the difference is between them situation in Calvin and Barry,

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Speaker 2: they got tired of losing? Ye, for sure, that situation

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Speaker 2: where he's I mean, you just went to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Now you start to lose.

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Speaker 2: But Barry, Barry got to the NFC Championship Game in

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Speaker 2: ninety one and never got that close again. So Barry

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Speaker 2: got tired of losing. Barry wasn't injured. I mean you

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Speaker 2: talk about the guy had average fifteen hundred yards for

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Speaker 2: ten seasons. No, for sure, to go Calvin, the same thing. Calvin,

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Speaker 2: like bro Man, we ain't getting no closer, And I'm

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Speaker 2: going out here and I'm doing all this to my body?

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Speaker 2: What am I really doing this for when I don't

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Speaker 2: really have a realistic chance of getting to in winning

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Speaker 2: a Super Bowl? So I think that's the different Saquan

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Speaker 2: is in a different situation now if he was at

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Speaker 2: the Giants, Yeah, he probably.

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Speaker 1: Just goes like one day I'm out of here. But

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Speaker 2: Situation where he is with that offensive line without offense,

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Speaker 1: Nah, I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't think

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Speaker 5: And money different too, Yeah, I mean the money different,

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Speaker 5: obviously different, and obviously he just got paid.

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Speaker 6: It gave him a nice, nice.

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Speaker 1: Nice, nice twenty mil a year, O Joe.

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Speaker 6: Nice nice pay raise.

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Speaker 5: Sure take going for a running back for that position, obviously,

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Speaker 5: with a position not as being as valued as it

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Speaker 5: is now, but being somewhere now where they appreciate you

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Speaker 5: for what you're doing and they showed you love. I

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Speaker 5: don't see safety on retiring until he has that that

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Speaker 6: You know, I can't do it like I used to.

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Speaker 3: That's the fact I don't have that the same way.

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Speaker 5: I think that'll be the only time he actually called

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Speaker 5: it quits when he realized his you know what, I

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Speaker 5: can't get I can't bend that corner like I used to.

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Speaker 6: I can't hit I can't hit that A. But that

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Speaker 1: Probably twenty six, twenty seven eight.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing though, O Joe, Yeah, Lane Johnson

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Speaker 2: still there, Mile Lotta is still there, Jurgenson still there,

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Speaker 2: these off some of these guys the offensive line get

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Speaker 1: That's the best offensive line in football. They're not going.

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Speaker 2: It's not like they're about to drop off a cliff

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Speaker 2: in the next year or two. And they got them

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Speaker 2: Jorkinson is a rook that was on a rookie contract. Nah,

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Speaker 6: And you know, it's funny when you think about it.

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Speaker 5: As good as Saquon is and as good as that

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Speaker 5: step let's say maybe maybe in three years, if that,

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Speaker 2: So he won't be able to go eighty yards with

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Speaker 2: that my old slow ass could probably get five yards.

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Speaker 2: I ain't gonna hit my head on the gold post

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Speaker 2: like him, but I might get five yards.

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Speaker 7: Tea, I gave about three or four yards. Huh, all four?

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Speaker 7: I gave about three four Them micks hurt. I can

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Speaker 7: imagine now I ain't. I hadn't gotten hit on the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I shadowed like ice. You know how you drop

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Speaker 6: Got to remember they're not hitting like we was back then.

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Speaker 2: They Oh no, no, how to fall. I don't forgot

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Speaker 2: how to take a hit. You see you, Hey, you

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Speaker 2: start losing, you know how the t when you go,

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Speaker 2: like when you leave the season and you come back

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Speaker 2: and you got to go to training camp.

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Speaker 1: You got to re learn those stuff. At don't tingle

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Speaker 2: Like once you get going like training camp and now

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Speaker 2: now twenty years man, I be getting ad I run

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Speaker 1: It's a zone.

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Speaker 3: I'm through the Hey, they gonna get fined. They gonna

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Speaker 1: What made you decide to become a head coach?

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Speaker 8: I was gonna say, damn you was You wouldn't have

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Speaker 2: Not no, not not not at the top of the list.

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Speaker 9: No, I mean, I mean honestly for me, uh, you know,

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Speaker 8: I retired in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 9: I played in Baltimore, and after that year was over,

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Speaker 9: I woke up at two o'clock if I wanted to

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Speaker 9: Me and Lashan mccoby had our podcast trying to figure

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Speaker 9: I went out My older brother was a high school

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Speaker 9: So okay, Delaware State thing just kind of honestly fell

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Speaker 5: a difference, I know, being able to coach at the

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Speaker 5: high school level with your brother. Has it been a

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Speaker 5: difference in transition? Has it been difficult, you know, coaching

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Speaker 5: at the collegiate level now or to adjust to it somewhat?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: No, I mean, great question. I feel like for sure

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Speaker 9: it's definitely been an adjustment. It's a lot of things.

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Speaker 9: It's different it's a lot of things that I was blind.

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Speaker 9: Honestly the heart, the hardest challenge has been, you know,

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Speaker 8: It took the short cut out.

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Speaker 9: But I'm the hear it go me ten twenty years ago,

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Hey, The funny thing about it when I think about it,

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Speaker 6: You just retired in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 5: You're able to put cleetson, lace them up and get

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Speaker 6: Coach like you are.

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Speaker 5: Do you ever get antie and want to put your

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Speaker 8: For sure percent.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, one hundred percent. So like honestly, man, I'm thirty

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Speaker 8: Bro? Who gave y'all scholarships?

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Speaker 9: So like, for me, it's just like I'm trying to

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Speaker 9: I can still rent a curl, I can still take

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Speaker 8: We still do this, big Dog. Yeah, I like it.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 1: D Jack.

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Speaker 2: Look, you love Philly. I don't me personally, and I'm

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Speaker 2: Philly loved you because Philly loved guys that that love

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Speaker 8: Man, I mean, man, I go back man in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 9: Man, that for me, that that was one of the

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Speaker 9: I mean everything Philly meant to me. Obviously, my family

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Speaker 9: And like now, looking back, Haro Carmichael is the all

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Speaker 8: But I look back.

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Speaker 9: But I think that phil that Philly break up man

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Speaker 9: Just out when I was drafted. You have me, now

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Speaker 9: you had Westbrook, you have Brian Dawkins. You know, like

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Speaker 8: You know, they took that on and win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I was there when Riddy Cooper said that.

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Speaker 2: I had Mike to get up in front of them

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Speaker 2: I started accepting the apology.

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Speaker 9: know that situation. But like when when Chip Kelly first

439
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,120
Speaker 9: came in, For those who don't know, he literally came

440
00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,919
Speaker 9: in and you got pro bowlers. When I tell you

441
00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,719
Speaker 9: I was a pro bowler, Evin was a pro bowler.

442
00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,560
Speaker 9: McCoy was a pro bowler. Jeremy mac thein was, you know,

443
00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,080
Speaker 9: a thousand yard receiver. I mean we had got you,

444
00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,200
Speaker 9: Brett Selik. I mean we had guys and I ain't

445
00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,399
Speaker 9: even talking on the defensive side. We had guys that

446
00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,399
Speaker 9: were ballers. When Chip Keny came in there, he literally

447
00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,320
Speaker 9: had a meeting and he said, there's no starters. So

448
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,560
Speaker 9: you tell me, So you telling me you coming into

449
00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,240
Speaker 9: a team that got them type of names that I

450
00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,199
Speaker 9: just said, and you said, you're no one's that started

451
00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,480
Speaker 9: Like we literally was not starting, Like everybody just was

452
00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,040
Speaker 9: going and we didn't have no first stream, no sicket,

453
00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,120
Speaker 9: Like it was crazy.

454
00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,960
Speaker 6: So Jack, what is he trying to prove?

455
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,840
Speaker 5: He's he's coming into a team with a bunch of

456
00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,480
Speaker 5: pro bowlers that have been playing for a long time

457
00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:09,399
Speaker 5: and telling y'all, y'all have to.

458
00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,120
Speaker 6: Earn your position.

459
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,680
Speaker 8: You feel me, bro, Buddy was but buddy was? He

460
00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,400
Speaker 8: He lost his But like they won, Buddy lost.

461
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,000
Speaker 1: Their power trip.

462
00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,800
Speaker 9: It was a power trip and like he came from

463
00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,720
Speaker 9: Oregon where he has the success. But I'm gonna be real,

464
00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,040
Speaker 9: like everything he was doing, we was like guinea pigs.

465
00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,879
Speaker 9: We was like lab rats. Like he was like, oh uh,

466
00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,240
Speaker 9: put a heart monter on it. At night time. I

467
00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,400
Speaker 9: wouldn't know how many hours you slept. When you come

468
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:33,960
Speaker 9: to work, I want you to pee in a cup

469
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,560
Speaker 9: and I want to see how hydrated you are. I'm

470
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,280
Speaker 9: gonna put trackers on you. I need to know how many.

471
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,160
Speaker 9: Like it was just crazy and like I ain't gonna lie.

472
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,320
Speaker 9: I was want me and McCoy we was there. I mean,

473
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:44,960
Speaker 9: Vic was he he had to play the role because

474
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,879
Speaker 9: you know he was coming off the situation. But me

475
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,840
Speaker 9: and Shady McCoy, we was like, hey, bro, we ain't

476
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,800
Speaker 9: doing that. It's some ship were just not gonna do.

477
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,840
Speaker 9: And so so So to go back to that situation

478
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,119
Speaker 9: with with Riddy Cooper, I mean I can remember that

479
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 9: meeting like it was yes that he literally he said

480
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 9: the comments. And one thing about Riddy Cooper, Like Riddey Cooper,

481
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,679
Speaker 9: he wasn't racist, you know what I'm saying. I just

482
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,640
Speaker 9: think he got into a situation intoxicated. Somebody said something

483
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,560
Speaker 9: to him and he just slurred that out. But like

484
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 9: Riddy Cooper was actually a good dude man, you know

485
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 9: what I'm saying. Like I had a great relationship with him,

486
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 9: and when.

487
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,919
Speaker 8: It happened, I just knew. I'm like, bruh, not like that.

488
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 9: But it did happen, it did come out, and however

489
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 9: it came out, he may felt the way he felt

490
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,439
Speaker 9: so for us, before we accepted any apologies, we like,

491
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 9: we got to really see that this shit is sincere.

492
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 8: So I think you know, he tried to force that

493
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 8: on this. He tried. They tried to patch it up.

494
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,679
Speaker 8: They tried to do a team meeting and cover it up.

495
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 9: But it was like, when we got in trouble, you

496
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 9: ain't patsionate noth enough for us, So why you why

497
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:43,440
Speaker 9: you gonna go patch it up for him?

498
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 8: So it just the team didn't. It didn't set a

499
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 8: right for the team.

500
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Speaker 4: Mhm.

501
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 5: Hey, when you when you think about coaching, coaching college,

502
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 5: coaching football in general as a coach, is this something

503
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 5: that you view it's something you want to do long term?

504
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 5: Do you do your envision and envision doing in twenty

505
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 5: plus years?

506
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 6: And me traditioning from college to the NFL.

507
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 8: Said twenty plug He said twenty plus. I mean, so hey.

508
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 1: Hey, DJA, let me get through the first year and

509
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:13,359
Speaker 1: I get back at you.

510
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 8: You feel me.

511
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 9: Man, I ain't gonna lie, but I didn't got a

512
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 9: few grades, Bro, I've been already stressed out where they

513
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 9: got me at the university.

514
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 8: Man, you know it's HBCU.

515
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 7: Man.

516
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 8: We got a lot of resources.

517
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,199
Speaker 1: We got a lot of out yet underfunded.

518
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 9: Conference right here. So long term, man, I'm not gonna

519
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 9: lie to you. I definitely love to see the men

520
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,120
Speaker 9: right now. Man, to be able to have the success

521
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 9: I had on the field and now to be able

522
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 9: to be a head coach where I control everything from

523
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 9: top to bottom. You know what I'm saying, Like I

524
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 9: ain't even no power trip type of dude, but just

525
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 9: to have this control and to be able to say

526
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 9: like that's the resemblance of me.

527
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 8: I mean, it's a great feeling.

528
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 3: Man.

529
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 9: Every day I wake up, I'm rejuvenated. I'm excited to

530
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 9: go in there because I'm gonna be real with you, uncontrolled.

531
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 9: Like I didn't think it was gonna be this. I

532
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 9: didn't think I was gonna have this much fun doing

533
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 9: it because I thought about the hours. Yeah, when I

534
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 9: get when I get in there, I get in there

535
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 9: about seven eight in the morning, and by the time

536
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 9: I look up, it's like five six o'clock and then

537
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 9: the day's already gone.

538
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 8: You looked up like where did the time go? So

539
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 8: it's really like when you're enjoying.

540
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 9: Something in you and you passionate about it, it don't

541
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 9: seem like work, Bro, And like, honestly like the meetings.

542
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 9: I'm a head coach, so like I got an offensive coordinator,

543
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 9: they run the meetings, I got a defensive coordinator.

544
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 8: They run the meeting.

545
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 9: So I just get to dip with dabble and I

546
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 9: don't got to sit in the fool of meeting. I

547
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 9: don't got to do through installs. I don't gotta do

548
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 9: like I just got to be a leader of men.

549
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 9: And at the end of the day, I'm gonna make

550
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 9: sure my coaches. That's why I surrounded myself and that's

551
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 9: why I respect Prime so much because I feel like

552
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 9: in this day, I'm not taking away from nothing that

553
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 9: coach Prime does as a head coach, but he's.

554
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 8: More to me.

555
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,199
Speaker 9: He's more of a leader of men and he you know,

556
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 9: his intelligence is smart, but he put people around him

557
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 9: for him to have success. And I just followed the

558
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 9: blueprint that Big Bro put down saying.

559
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 2: That when he's a bet, he'll have rookie organize this locker.

560
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 2: Take a list at take a look at this video.

561
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Speaker 10: Guys, I'm gonna bet what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna

562
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 10: have a rookie organize my locker every day. You mean,

563
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 10: if Flacko told me to do this every day, I

564
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 10: would do it. I go to him every day. I said, hey, bro,

565
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 10: you good. You need anything right then? Because it's respect

566
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 10: you feel me? I feel that.

567
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 2: So when you came in as a rookie, what did

568
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 2: the bets have you do to run?

569
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 4: Bets were pretty pretty good to me, man, Jerry Evans,

570
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 4: Ben Grubbs, Zach Street, those guys were pretty good to me. Yeah, okay,

571
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 4: get them breakfast every Saturday, food for the plane, snacks,

572
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 4: toilet tries. I had to bring that type stuff to

573
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 4: the facility. Deodorant, body wash, all that good stuff. So

574
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 4: trying to find a ride to Walmart because Uber didn't

575
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 4: exist in twenty thirteen, So trying to find a ride

576
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 4: to Walmart, get the stuff for the guys, and haul

577
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 4: it in to the facility. But they were they were

578
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 4: pretty They were pretty smooth on me.

579
00:23:58,720 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what it was.

580
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: I mean, they want breakfast, sandwiches, they wanted doughnuts, they

581
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: wanted chicken. Come, they wanted Popeye to come to the plane.

582
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, come on, guys, y'all, y'all know man, And

583
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 2: back then, you know we drove, We know, we drove,

584
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 2: drove to the airport. But we had an own hangar.

585
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 2: So you drive up, go get on the walk up

586
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 2: and get on the plane.

587
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: Man, you know better. I was driving so fast, driving reckless.

588
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: Many a rookie contract, man, I can't I can't afford

589
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: no twelve hundred and fifty dollar fine.

590
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: Man, Damn yeah.

591
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 5: I remember the day our wide receive a group. I mean,

592
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 5: obviously the best when I came in is a rookie

593
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 5: in Cincinnati. Man, it was it was love, you know,

594
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 5: there was there was a certain amount of respect that

595
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 5: that I showed them, a certain amount of respect that

596
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 5: they showed as well.

597
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 6: But you remember Darnay Scott, Yeah I do, Yeah, he

598
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 6: Darnay Scott.

599
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 5: Danny Farmer was at the time, Ron Dugans f Dub

600
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 5: Dub was there, and.

601
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 6: It was it was all up. It was nothing to

602
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 6: that magnitude like some of the stories that I hear.

603
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 4: No, we think the receiver room have the hardest time

604
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 4: with that. The receiver room is always that that.

605
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: Be trying to buck the receiver trying.

606
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 3: To it's it's always a hard time with that.

607
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 4: We had a situation in Miami last year, not a

608
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 4: big situation, but uh, Tyree, Tyreek Hill have bought one

609
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 4: of the rookies Christmas gift and the rookie didn't like

610
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 4: it really like like, I mean, it's cool, but you know,

611
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 4: you spect should give me something better, you know, something bigger.

612
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 4: You make it thirty MS a year, you know what

613
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And Tyreek was really hurt by that, Like

614
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 4: he was really upset that we got Hey what did

615
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 4: he get in I'm trying to remember. It was like

616
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 4: it was like a like a Gucci cologne set or

617
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 4: something like that, some type of designer cologne set.

618
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: And this is this young boy twenty one years old

619
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 3: in Miami.

620
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 4: Man, he probably don't even have no kow wearing no colonia.

621
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 3: Don't want that.

622
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 4: He wanted Tyrek Debaum, something with a little bit more,

623
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 4: a little more splash to it.

624
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was sing it.

625
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: You know you got to sing at at training camp

626
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: and not no damn fight song either. Nobody ain't nobody

627
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: go to your school, but you so you got to

628
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: say something. Whoever the ladies see us now like probably

629
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: now to be Kendrin, Lamar Drake or whomever the hot

630
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 2: rapper is right now. Back then, you know, R and

631
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 2: B was still big when I was coming up and

632
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: guys singing Teddy, the guys was singing up. Luther was

633
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: singing Barry Why Hey, hey.

634
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: They the thing y'all have? Did y'all have a rookie show?

635
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: T Oh? For sure?

636
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 3: For sure? Mike get Danny he was. He was big

637
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: on that.

638
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 4: And Cheanpagne was two back in New Orleans. We would

639
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 4: do the song. Most of the guys would would do

640
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 4: R and B Old school R and B. Yeah, I

641
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 4: feel like the and you guys probably have a different song,

642
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 4: but I feel like that undefeated song when the rookie

643
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 4: starts singing it, and that rookie show the whole crowd

644
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 4: on joy, then it's fantation. When I see you, it's oh.

645
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. He started that.

646
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 4: You get to the first thirty he get through the

647
00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 4: first thirty seconds.

648
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: He won because everybody gonna, yeah.

649
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 5: Hey, you know what that song, That song right there

650
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 5: is like when the swag surface song come on.

651
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 6: It don't matter where you at or what you're doing.

652
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 3: Sure, everybody joining in.

653
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 4: Yeah that's why.

654
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta grab somebody, everybody.

655
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it a.

656
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: Uh New Orleans here we come to get you to.

657
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 7: That was bad as Yeah, that super.

658
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: Dum used to rock Man.

659
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: I missed.

660
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: I missed them. I missed that place. I missed those fans.

661
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

662
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 5: Matter of fact, I think you went to Arkansas Pine Bluff, Yes, sir,

663
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 5: as matter of fact, when I was at Link you

664
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 5: know about Links University, right, yeah, now, we when I

665
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 5: was at Lengths, we played Arkansas Pine Bluff. They came up,

666
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 5: they came on down with a coil, so steal water

667
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 5: whichever one it is.

668
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 6: But it's back in nineteen ninety.

669
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 4: Nineteen, we played Lengths in my freshman year and length

670
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 4: and beat us bro Real.

671
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 3: It was bad.

672
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: It was bad.

673
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: Y'all took the bus because we took the bus everywhere.

674
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 2: It didn't matter if it was three hours or if

675
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: it was twelve hours.

676
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: You on that bus.

677
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: I was on the bus. He's on that bus.

678
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: Pair it up and well see and the way we

679
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 2: did it is like the starting offense and the starting

680
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: defense on one bus and then the backups on another bus.

681
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: We did, we did off.

682
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: Hell now starts on one bus at the backups on

683
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: another bus.

684
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: What you be if you ride the bench, you ride

685
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 3: this bus.

686
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, exactly heard about segregation.

687
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's crazy. How they supposed to get better? Man,

688
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 4: they can't sit and talk to none of y'all.

689
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: Because we're back there playing cards. You know, shades were

690
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: playing cards. We know we all wanted to back to

691
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: the back of the bus. You know what I'm saying.

692
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: We matter of fact, we wanted to go to the

693
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: back of the bus. But hey, all of us, it

694
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: wasn't nothing special because all of us was black. We

695
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: had what our kicker was white, So it wasn't It

696
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: wasn't no thinking. I'm sure it's the same thing with

697
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: you guys. Did y'all have a white kicker or punter?

698
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 4: Both white kicker and punter. Oh, we had a linebacker.

699
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 4: We had a yeh, we had a linebacker too. He

700
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 4: was a bad man.

701
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: But that's what you know. But you you missed that.

702
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: I missed, you know, taking over, you know, going to Tuskegee,

703
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: going to uh we're Burlington, North Carolina. Just you know,

704
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: you you taking the bus. I mean it didn't know,

705
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 2: you know, playing It doesn't matter if it was like

706
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: I said, if it was an hour to Georgia Southern

707
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: and Statesboro or you going to Tuskegee or you going

708
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: to North Carolina, it didn't matter. Spartanburg, South Carolina, didn't matter.

709
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: You're on that bus. Yeah, we would take.

710
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 4: We take that ten hour bus ride to Houston for

711
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 4: Prairie View, Texas Southern. We take the ten hour bus

712
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 4: ride to Alabama and dam Alabama State.

713
00:29:58,960 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 7: Uh.

714
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 4: My first flight in my life was we got paid

715
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 4: to come play U tip so we flew down in Utup.

716
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: They paid us to beat on us. Yeah, whatever, that

717
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: was my first time. I'm trying to think what if

718
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: oh first time on the flight. I think I went

719
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: to Black College, All American. I think I went to Pittsburgh.

720
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: I think maybe I flew to see my brother play.

721
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but other than now, but now you wouldn't

722
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: taking it. You wouldn't. But you missed that because guess

723
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: what we could stop by a convenience store. They was like,

724
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: man the guy was like because I was, I was,

725
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: I was the captainist. Ted saw the man like man

726
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: shop man I'm hungry. Man, have Coach David to stop

727
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: by the stop by the convenience store. I'm like, I'm like,

728
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: coach Man, I'm honging, coach. Can we stopped by a

729
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: convenience store? Coach David looking at me, say all right, home,

730
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna stop, but you're responsible for. You don't really

731
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: know what they're gonna do. They gonna clean the store out, y'all.

732
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 6: Y'all had that nil money back then?

733
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: No, we had no nil money.

734
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: That's why he told me I was responsible for him

735
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: to make sure they put iss their pockets. That's why

736
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: he told me I'm responsible for And I'm standing to

737
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: the door. Hey mm hmmm, take it out.

738
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: O Joe?

739
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 4: How did go Look he ain't stop everybody oo I did? Yeah,

740
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 4: he ain't see everything.

741
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: But I tell you what.

742
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: Let me tell you what I wouldn't do because I

743
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: was one of a few guys that had had a vehicle,

744
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: and they and people like Man to this day, they're

745
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: like man.

746
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: Shaw wouldn't give nobody ride. Bro.

747
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: I know who had stuff would follow them out the store.

748
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: I know who a bag of potato chip, soda, honey buns,

749
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: It would.

750
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: Follow you walk out the store behind you.

751
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: So no, you're not getting in my car because everybody

752
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: knew who my who I was, and what I drove. Man,

753
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: I just know they got in the car with Shannon.

754
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: It was Shannon Sharp. They ain't gonna say nothing else.

755
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: It was Shannon Sharp.

756
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 4: Oh no, even if you had a little honey Bunny

757
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 4: on slides, the little swist roll or something.

758
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: He's three dollars but he gonna come out of there

759
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 1: with five dollars worth the stuff.

760
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 4: So no, no, he got something for you.

761
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 8: No, oh no.

762
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: And the mall.

763
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 2: Never going to the mall with him, absolutely not. Tey,

764
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: What do you think about the locker room decision with

765
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: two of going through his third and fourth major concussion?

766
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: How do I mean? Look, you you can do all

767
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: you can try to protect the guy, but at some

768
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: point in time he got to protect himself. He has

769
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: to know when the journey's over. You can't. At no

770
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: situation should he be allowed. I don't know what he

771
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: was thinking, that you're gonna go ahead, that you're gonna

772
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: go head first on somebody knowing your history.

773
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, he definitely, he's he has to be aware,

774
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 4: there's no question about it. And he is aware, but

775
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 4: even more and now it has to be proven on

776
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 4: on a weekly basis that he understands his importance and

777
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 4: impact to the to the team, to the franchise, to

778
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 4: the city. Without to under center, it's a different it's

779
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 4: a different team, it's a different look. But with him

780
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 4: under under center, I strongly believe Miami Dolphins can win

781
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 4: any game that he's the starting quarterback. So no, you're

782
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 4: you're having to when he gets thirty degrees, Oh, here

783
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: we go, let's get let's get into it.

784
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: Let's get into it.

785
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: But go ahead, but with ta go ahead with Tua. Yeah.

786
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: No, he has to know that.

787
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 4: He has to know how much of a value PC

788
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 4: is and whatever it needs to do.

789
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: But just just.

790
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 4: Knowing that God, knowing how much he loed a game

791
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 4: and the way.

792
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: That he prepares.

793
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 4: Man, it's that competitiveness against Buffalo this year, we're stagnant offensively,

794
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 4: we get a drive going and he's trying to extend

795
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 4: on the third down to try to get another first

796
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 4: down and just he can't.

797
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: Be the one to do it, you know what I mean.

798
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 4: But it's just him being a competitor, trying to trying

799
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 4: to wield a team.

800
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think I talked uncle and I

801
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 5: talked about this last last year sometime when he when

802
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 5: he went out. I just think he has to learn

803
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 5: to fall a little better and understanding. But Whin went

804
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 5: to specially, I remember that first down we went head first,

805
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 5: he still got he got up.

806
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like one of the moments where you'd

807
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 6: be like, ah.

808
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure, hold your breath moment.

809
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: They just know when the journeys over.

810
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, no knowing when the journey's over, and then when

811
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 5: he gets hit, knowing how to fall correctly, you know,

812
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 5: especially when you go when you go back and you

813
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 5: don't try to do your best. I know it's hard,

814
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 5: but I was. It's something that I trained myself to do.

815
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 5: Is when you get tackled, you going backwards, try not

816
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 5: to let your head hit the back of the back

817
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 5: of the back of the ground as hard as it does.

818
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 5: What I used to do is if I get hit

819
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 5: hard and I know it's backwards, I'm going backwards, I

820
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 5: would tighten thep my core and try to keep my

821
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 5: head up right the best I can, the best I can,

822
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 5: just so I don't get that boom, that that that

823
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 5: that initial shock which causes cause the.

824
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 4: That's the one though, the one that you falling back

825
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 4: hit the head, that's the one that's Yeah, that's the.

826
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 5: One when I do my best like I'm holding the ball,

827
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 5: but I do my best as if I'm as if

828
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 5: I'm bear hugging dude.

829
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 6: You know, in a sense obviously literally bear hugging.

830
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, trying to keep my body and my

831
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 5: upper body and torso as close to him as possible

832
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 5: even on impact, just so most of the force isn't

833
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 5: the back of the head bouncing off.

834
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 4: How you feel about them guys on the sideline that

835
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 4: they jump out of bound or or are you trying

836
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 4: to fall forward for the few more yards?

837
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 3: What?

838
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: What do you think about that? It all depends in

839
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: his situation. He can't do it, not even on four

840
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: because he's too valuable. He gets down and he gets dean,

841
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: what have you done? Okay, you got the first down.

842
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 2: Now your backup has to come in and finish out

843
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: the ball game and your trime. Example Peyton Manning. Once

844
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning hurt that neck, they never let him do

845
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: quarterbacks to Nick again. Yeah, if you notice, they don't

846
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: let Patrick Mahons since he hurt his knee. They don't

847
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: let Patrick Mahons do go straight into the line of scrimmage.

848
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: You see, you have to protect the guy.

849
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: No, that's the fact, that's the fact.

850
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: He's gonna have. They're not gonna let him do. Obviously,

851
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: you wouldn't do no touch push with tour. But second

852
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: of all, Bro, you got slide. It's okay, it's okay

853
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: the slide. I'm not looking at no quarterback. Oh he

854
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: tough for what. You're not used to taking those links

855
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: like that, and they're looking to punish you because you

856
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: don't have the protection of the pocket, because once you

857
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: leave that pocket, you're a runner.

858
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna hit you like Dare Henry

859
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: Free Gag Free Gang