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Speaker 1: The volume.

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Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker is the Louisiana Hot Sauce Player of the

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Speaker 2: Week one hundred and thirty five rushing yards Seattle twenty

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Speaker 2: nine to thirteen. Walker the first running back to be

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Speaker 2: named MVP since Terrell Davis in nineteen ninety eight. How

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Speaker 1: All right, this is an emotional one for me, John,

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Speaker 1: This is an emotional one.

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting there with my guys all night. We were

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Speaker 2: just cracking jokes about am I gonna lose it? Am

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Speaker 2: I going to start crying? Team Sam Donald Donald didn't

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Speaker 2: make any mistakes. Walker ate up the clock and got

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Speaker 2: the yards. Myers with a field goals in the scoring.

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Speaker 2: I thought New England could move the ball a little

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Speaker 2: bit through the air. I didn't know if they'd run

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Speaker 2: the ball. Are you surprised it was? I mean one

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Speaker 2: of the real blowouts in Super Bowl twenty five year

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Speaker 2: recent history.

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Speaker 3: I think when you have a bad offensive line, and

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Speaker 3: you know, you play all these teams now in the

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Speaker 3: playoffs have good front fours. We've seen New England play

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Speaker 3: Houston that they were barely winning that game. If it

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Speaker 3: wasn't for CJ. Stroud last week it was hard to

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Speaker 3: tell because of the blizzard or two weeks ago. Seattle

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Speaker 3: just manhandled the front And if you have a bad

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Speaker 3: offensive line in a game against a team with a

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Speaker 3: good pass rush, it feels like you're not really trying.

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Speaker 3: It's like watching a baseball team that strikes out fifteen

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Speaker 3: times in the game. It's like they're trying, they're just

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Speaker 3: not making any contact. You got no chance. I mean,

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Speaker 3: they had no because here's the thing with Seattle. You're

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Speaker 3: not gonna run for one hundred plus yards on him,

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Speaker 3: so you have to throw. If they have a left tackle,

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Speaker 3: who I think when the dust Sedtle is probably gonna

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Speaker 3: end up playing guard.

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Speaker 2: That's what we thought.

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Speaker 3: So it's like you put him out there and they're

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Speaker 3: just getting pressure. And then McDonald, who, let's face it

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Speaker 3: is kind of like an offensive wizard just happens to

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Speaker 3: be on the defensive side of the ball. I thought

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Speaker 3: three quarters through the game you could give him the

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Speaker 3: MVP as a coach and a play caller. Everyone the

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Speaker 3: MVP could have given it to Mike McDonald.

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Speaker 2: I thought Kyle Shanahan coaches twice said things in this game.

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Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan in the pregame show said if Sam Donald

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Speaker 2: and Seattle don't turn it over, they have a chance

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Speaker 2: to blow New England out, and that was you don't

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Speaker 2: hear coaches say that about other operations. I mean, Kyle

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Speaker 2: said very I mean, Kyle knows, he's seen the film.

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Speaker 2: Kyle's like, they have a chance to blow him out,

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Speaker 2: meaning Kyle and McVeigh and those guys. They thought the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl was the NFC Championship. And then Mike Vrabel

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Speaker 2: at half when they asked him, I know Mike well enough.

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Speaker 2: You've seen Mike enough. Mike Vrabel knew at halftime, John,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember the interview. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: they were asking him and he was just like, listen,

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Speaker 2: you know. It was almost kind of acknowledging. That's why

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Speaker 2: they were so damn aggressive in the first quarter. They

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Speaker 2: needed Sam. They were trying to speed Sam up. They

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Speaker 2: needed Sam to make a big mistake. I think Vrabel

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Speaker 2: knew they were going to struggle to move the football.

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Speaker 2: He went hyper aggressive on the early blitzing and coverages,

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Speaker 2: and like to the point you're like, man if Seattle

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Speaker 2: hits on one of these, what they were trying to

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Speaker 2: do is speed up Sam. That's when Sam can get reckless.

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Speaker 2: But the story arc for Sam Darnold's fascinating because Johnny

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Speaker 2: starts out at this wildly talented kid who's reckless. Then

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Speaker 2: he becomes this kid that finally gets opportunities. Can still

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Speaker 2: be reckless, but you get all the upside. And now

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Speaker 2: he proves against the Rams and against the Patriots he

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Speaker 2: can be the world's best game manager. Not make mistakes,

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Speaker 2: the last two weeks, especially in this one, just don't

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Speaker 2: talked about this two weeks ago. He doesn't make. He

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Speaker 2: takes sacks. There was one here with about two minutes

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Speaker 2: he wouldn't have done that five years ago. He would

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Speaker 2: it's like the story arc is complete when you get

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Speaker 2: the right coaching young people. Once you're thirty five as

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Speaker 2: a quarterback, you are what you are. But for a

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Speaker 2: And between Sam's upside and now his ability to not

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Speaker 2: I mean he did against the Rams, but like not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, doesn't it show you too that, you know,

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Speaker 3: the most probably powerful thing that Sam brought to the

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Speaker 3: dark times in his career, you know, and he kept

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Speaker 3: a positive attitude and he kind of just kept his

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Speaker 3: And then the damn really broke last year and this situation,

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Speaker 3: I mean, Minnesota's defense was good, it's not this. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's on a team. I don't know all their contract status,

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Speaker 3: but pretty sure a lot of these guys are coming

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Speaker 3: back like, yeah, he's not going anywhere that they're coach

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Speaker 3: is a star that they are going to have to

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Speaker 3: replace the offensive coordinator. But I would be stunned, wouldn't

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Speaker 3: you if they don't keep the same offense implemented this

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Speaker 3: Kubiak Shanahan, which his skill set fits perfectly, and now

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Speaker 3: if he's going to be a good decision maker. He

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Speaker 3: he's turning the ball over. I feel like he hasn't

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Speaker 3: you go back to that Rams Thursday night game. He's

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Speaker 3: kind of played flawlessly at the highest level of being

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Speaker 3: They didn't have the skill set. He missed you heat

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Speaker 3: on the deep ball, his skill set, his arm strength.

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Speaker 3: Fred Warner said it on the pregame, He's like, this

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Speaker 3: guy can rip it. Even Kyle Shanahan said on the pregame,

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Speaker 3: we got too much credit. We just put him in

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Speaker 3: ran with it. And props to him. What a cool

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Speaker 3: what an awesome, genuine story. We don't get enough of

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Speaker 2: Sam Darnold in the playoffs. Five touchdowns, no picks, seven

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Speaker 2: hundred total yards, one h two passer rating, and a

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Speaker 2: Lombardi Trophy. That is more Super Bowls than the four

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Speaker 2: teams that let him go over the last thirty two years.

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Speaker 2: You know, And like I get San Francisco. They had

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Speaker 3: He just got ten million from Minnesota and they couldn't

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Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? No, it's I mean a

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Speaker 2: lot of people have said, you know, Colin you I

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Speaker 2: thought the game would look That's that's what I thought

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Speaker 2: thought New England would move the ball enough John, that

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Speaker 2: their defense wouldn't get tired. I felt in the second half,

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Speaker 2: in that third quarter, you could feel New England's defense

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Speaker 2: didn't tackle as well. See it like Darnold had like

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Speaker 2: out loud, but Chris Collins was, to his credit, just

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Speaker 2: said May's not ready. He's just not there. He's not

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Speaker 2: And think about this. Matt Stafford against the Seahawks the

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Speaker 2: four yards, three touchdowns over twenty completions. And that's the

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Speaker 2: Seattle was in a more prevent defense than weren't his

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Speaker 2: not sure if this has ever happened before they got

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Speaker 2: to a Super Bowl. John, I still think they're in

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Speaker 2: a rebuild. I mean, I think they're offensive line. They

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Speaker 3: Offensively, Yeah, New England's gonna be fine. Think about you

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Speaker 3: it felt like Sam Darnold could have thrown a couple bicks.

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Speaker 3: He was completely rattled. And this is a defense and

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Speaker 3: a defensive coordinator that can really rattle you. Use the

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Speaker 3: Stafford example. I think Brady talked about this in his

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Speaker 3: forties like, the game's never been easier. I've never been smarter.

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Speaker 3: I've never There's nothing I haven't seen. Peyton Manning went

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Speaker 3: a Super Bowl. He couldn't throw Drake What is Drake May?

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Speaker 3: He's had one season of playing high level football. He

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Speaker 3: they were awful, right, they drafted fourth. This is the

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Speaker 3: first time he's played in games that mattered. It does

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Speaker 3: feel a little bit like some historic quarterbacks that it's

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Speaker 3: They made it to the freaking Super Bowl, and he

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Speaker 3: was completely overwhelmed because Josh has proven Like, do I

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Speaker 3: think Josh had a bad game plan. I mean, Josh's

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Speaker 3: coached enough Super Bowls. I mean they've lost Super Bowls

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Speaker 3: So I think this was a quarterback being a little

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Speaker 3: over an offensive line. If you can't block people, whether

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Speaker 3: it's a regular season game, whether it's a Super Bowl,

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Speaker 3: whether it's a playoff game, you're in major trouble. They

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Speaker 3: couldn't block Houston. It just happened. CJ. Stroud played like

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Speaker 3: me or you you know if he's Shanahan said this.

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Speaker 3: He said, there were two Super Bowl defenses, and the

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Speaker 3: long as the special teams in offense just didn't screw

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Speaker 3: it up Seattle in Houston. Well, the offense for Houston

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Speaker 3: screwed it up Seattle. They're special teams. Has Meyers missed

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Speaker 3: And it's defensively, you're playing at young quarter that that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how many people are taping this.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I was going to say, show a

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Speaker 2: Is that we have?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about that. I thought that My wife

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Speaker 2: Like people may have thought it's boring, but I'm like

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Speaker 2: New England was not going to drop twenty If I

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Speaker 2: know who won the game. Like there was only one

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Speaker 2: Sam Darnald just had to avoid turnovers. Drake May had

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Speaker 2: to make six or eight great throws in this game

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Speaker 2: to win. Donald just didn't need a pick six and

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Speaker 2: that was the difference going into the game. Now again

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Speaker 2: I thought, I thought it was really going to be

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Speaker 2: But I mean I held it in the first half.

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Speaker 2: JSN had one catch for four yards. I will say this,

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Speaker 2: England kept that thing from being a blowout in the

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Speaker 2: first half, Like he was sensational. But when you watch Seattle,

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Speaker 2: like I was thinking about during this game, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: New England will be fine. I mean, Donald's got two

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Speaker 2: more years on this deal. Very young. I mean Leonard

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Speaker 2: I was even I was thinking about John, what are

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Speaker 2: like they both kind of get banged up. Seattle's in

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Speaker 2: that weird space, John, I don't think they have a need.

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Speaker 2: I think I think they need another receiver, you know,

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Speaker 2: They did with JSN. But it's very rare when you

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Speaker 2: Micah Parsons. Seattle just went and found DeMarcus Lawrence. Like,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what Seattle's hole is. Tell me another

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Speaker 2: We don't love their special teams or their corners. I'm

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Speaker 2: What do they need?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? To me, I think you just keep doubling down

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Speaker 3: can never have enough defensive lineman. I mean, think about

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Speaker 3: their secondary colin. It's all even Warrior and Witherspoon are

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Speaker 3: young players are kind of the heartbeat of the operation.

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Speaker 3: Pretty sure Ernest Jones is under contract. How about John

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Speaker 3: he's gonna take Witherspoon fifth overall. I mean, what did

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Speaker 3: Where was Lockett drafted middle of the draft Back when

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Speaker 3: they got Marshawn Lynch. They got him for a fourth

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Speaker 3: round pick. They have found value on offense historically with

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Speaker 3: skilled players. So, I mean they have nailed premium positions

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Speaker 3: Witherspoon was a fifth overall pick. So if I'm a

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I was thinking? You know, he

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Speaker 3: he kind of cut his teeth with the Green Bay Packers.

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Speaker 3: When you can maintain winning with different coaches and different quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: The Ravens have proven they can win with different coaches

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Speaker 3: over the years now, different coaches, different personnel people. Seattle

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Speaker 2: And it also proves Seattle, you can argue, has three

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Speaker 3: I mean, if we ran, if we were at a

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Speaker 3: You know, one Tree, and I think that's what you know,

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Speaker 3: we've listen. I grew up around the Niners, Bill Walsh, Shanahan, Holmgren.

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Speaker 3: any moment, it's why you know, you can't really tank

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Speaker 3: in football. You want a half ass the football game,

429
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Speaker 3: you will get injured. And there was Listen, most guys

430
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Speaker 3: in Sam Donald's category once they failed that much. Let's

431
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Speaker 3: face it, fail forever, or just become a backup and

432
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 3: kind of become irrelevant. I mean, how many guys of

433
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Speaker 3: his generation that just became backups. Mariota is a good example.

434
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Speaker 3: Star college player, Heisman Trophy. I mean, it's part of

435
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Speaker 3: the rise of the dominance of Oregon. He's been a

436
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Speaker 3: locked back up now for what feels like a decade.

437
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Speaker 3: You know, it's just what you there's nothing wrong with that,

438
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,959
Speaker 3: you know, you look up. Mariota will have made one

439
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars the rest of his life. He'll have

440
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Speaker 3: played in the NFL. Tell people for fourteen years. I mean,

441
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 3: Sam Donald's a super Bowl champion and this wasn't you know,

442
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Speaker 3: we have the dilfers and the bread Johnson's. That was

443
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 3: not the case with this. And even coming into the Sea,

444
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 3: when you have a year where you throw thirty five

445
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 3: touchdowns on a team that won fourteen games, like that's honestly,

446
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Speaker 3: that that momentum of last year I think kind of

447
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 3: validated the realness behind the player, Like this wasn't just

448
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 3: a guy dinking it. This wasn't Jimmy Garoppolo, no, right,

449
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Speaker 3: even though he had moments where that's all they needed

450
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Speaker 3: just manage the game, don't turn them all over, and

451
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Speaker 3: he didn't. But yeah, I mean it was a what

452
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Speaker 3: a what a cool story. I mean, you couldn't make

453
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Speaker 3: it up. People wouldn't have believed it three or four

454
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Speaker 3: years ago, coming in that Sam Darnold's the star quarterback

455
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Speaker 3: on a team that just won the Super Bowl, and

456
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Speaker 3: I would imagine when we look at the odds, they're

457
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Speaker 3: going to be near the top coming into twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: I would think the Rams would be number one and

459
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: the Seahawks would be number one or number two. It

460
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Speaker 2: will go. I mean, Stafford and McVeigh have such power,

461
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: and you know they're revered kind of inn NFL circles.

462
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: Stafford's going to get more money, so the Rams are

463
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Speaker 2: going to have to hit on some draft picks and

464
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Speaker 2: they have two ones and it's not a quarterback draft,

465
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Speaker 2: so I mean Rams are gonna address corner problem.

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Speaker 3: The thing you see though, and the one thing that

467
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Speaker 3: Sam has and that most quarterbacks have. Now it is difficult.

468
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Speaker 3: And I know Stafford has had an excellent NFC championship.

469
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Speaker 3: When you can't move it all in the way the

470
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Speaker 3: game is played now, it becomes a challenge. I mean,

471
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Speaker 3: how he plays to night. Did Sam just maneuver just

472
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Speaker 3: to keep a play alive even in completions? Matt who

473
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Speaker 3: he wants I would call a great athlete, but he

474
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Speaker 3: was a good remember Detroit, He could really move around.

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Speaker 3: He is now what Eli Manning or something.

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Speaker 2: You know what I noticed from the standpoint, what I

477
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Speaker 2: moved about saff noticed about Stafford tonight. Excuse me what

478
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Speaker 2: I noticed about Darnold tonight. His in pocket movement is

479
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Speaker 2: better than Drake May's in pocket movement. May may beat

480
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Speaker 2: Sam in a foot race now in terms of movement,

481
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Speaker 2: but May drops back and he kind of stays where

482
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Speaker 2: he's at because he doesn't have a feel for the

483
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Speaker 2: pro pocket yet. Sam multiple times tonight moved within the pocket.

484
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Speaker 2: That just comes from years of practice and game snaps. Donald, now,

485
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Speaker 2: I mean think about this, Darnald had multiple times in

486
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Speaker 2: that first half. You're like, he's even Collins were said

487
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: they should probably diagram runs for these quarterbacks. They can't

488
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Speaker 2: move the ball. Donald now doesn't really run well. I

489
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Speaker 2: mean I've watched every Seahawk game. He'll he'll take off

490
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 2: about twice a game, May about six times a game,

491
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Speaker 2: and a lot of that's because May can't read the

492
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Speaker 2: defense like Donald. He's just too young. And Seattle's got

493
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Speaker 2: JSN who's usually open. But I mean a lot of

494
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Speaker 2: Donald's growth is he just hangs. He not only throws

495
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Speaker 2: fewer picks, but he hangs in the pocket and moves

496
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Speaker 2: better to buy time. That was always Brady's strength is

497
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Speaker 2: side to side movement. Donald does that very well now.

498
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Speaker 3: Part of the seeing ghosts, I think a lot of

499
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: people thought it's just that he didn't know where to look,

500
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Speaker 3: that he would see things that weren't actually there. It's

501
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Speaker 3: also when you're getting hit a lot, you start freaking

502
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: out and seeing things that aren't there, so you run

503
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 3: into sacks. And tonight you saw that with Drake may

504
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 3: He was not very comfortable in the first half. Yeah,

505
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 3: and that led to very very inaccurate throws that Collins

506
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Speaker 3: weren't a couple of times like that's kind of a

507
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 3: layup throw in the NFL, he's got to make. Yeah,

508
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Speaker 3: And I think once you start hitting at quarterback on

509
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 3: top of clearly Mike's moving people around on the back end,

510
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 3: he had no clue what was going on, which is

511
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Speaker 3: very understandable. This guy didn't train with Nick Saban in

512
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 3: college guy played at North Carolina. I mean, a lot

513
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Speaker 3: of these quarterbacks. Part of the reason that drives me

514
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: nuts about CJ. Strouds, Like you come from Ohio State,

515
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: Like you've played in some bright lights games, Like I

516
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 3: understand the NFL is a different level, but you just

517
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 3: need to calm down a little bit, Drake, just North Carolina,

518
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Speaker 3: Boston College is not preparing you for these NFL playoffs.

519
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Speaker 2: There was a point where he had Drake May had

520
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: eight drives, eight punts and seven completions. And I bet

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Speaker 2: you my guess is Mike Vrable if he has a

522
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Speaker 2: moment with him John, if Mike Bravell has fifteen seconds

523
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Speaker 2: with Drake May that nobody hears, He's going to put

524
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 2: his arm around him and said, kid, you probably played

525
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: the best defense in this league and certainly the best

526
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Speaker 2: team in the last eight to ten years in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I would argue, you could say, oh, Philadelphia,

528
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts is not right now. Is consistent in this

529
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Speaker 2: pocket as Sam Darnold, He's not. He struggles to see

530
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Speaker 2: over the field. Sam throws over the middle of the

531
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Speaker 2: field a lot, And I think I can see Rabel

532
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: just saying, kid, yeah, nobody was winning today. We could.

533
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Speaker 2: I mean, I just think that you know the first

534
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 2: thing you saw and I think you saw the same

535
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: thing first drive. You're like, oh, Will Campbell is a guard.

536
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 2: He can't block, He's going to get eaten alive. Whereas

537
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: you saw that versus Houston. But Houston's offense they can't

538
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: run the ball. They're not as consistent. So it's like

539
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Speaker 2: very first drive. I'm like, Okay, this is what I

540
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: talked about last week on Fox, Like this was my concern,

541
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Speaker 2: Like they they're not going to be able to run

542
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Speaker 2: the ball that I knew all the numbers told you

543
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: they would run the ball. I'm like, okay, three strap drop,

544
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: get it out. And I'm like, oh, they they may

545
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 2: not be able to do that much.

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Speaker 3: One thing, too, is when you look at Will Campbell,

547
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: his body doesn't exactly look like he's Lane Johnson or

548
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: Trent Williams. And while he can work on that in

549
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: the strength room over the course of the next couple

550
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 3: of years. As a young player, Howard Mud, the late

551
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: great Howard Mud, the offensive line coach, taught me something

552
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: that I never forgot. He says, functional strength, like you

553
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 3: can add one hundred pounds to your squat or your

554
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 3: bench your functional strength. Typically as a college player definitely

555
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 3: as like an early maybe a rookie doesn't. You don't

556
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: look ten years and a guy that was weak is

557
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 3: now strong like Trent Williams. Your strength is kind of

558
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 3: your strength, and you're watching him, you go, he's not powerful,

559
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: and in three years he's not going to just be

560
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: stoning guys on the edge and clearly the length and

561
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 3: you can't have the weakness at left tackle in this NFL.

562
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 3: How many teams now colin have multiple big time pass

563
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: rushers even if your best pass rushers are defensive tackles.

564
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: Remember when Aaron Donald was kind of like, you know,

565
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 3: they didn't have a great defensive line, but they had him.

566
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: If you had a weak right tackle or left tackle,

567
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 3: they would put him on the edge. So they will

568
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: find your weakness and just expose it. These pass rushers

569
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 3: moved to right to left, They don't stay on a side.

570
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 3: They will just attack him over and over. And they

571
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: were and then he starts bringing corner and safety blitzes

572
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 3: the other side and Drake May got all frazzled. Now

573
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Speaker 3: I'm not anti Drake May at all. I think there

574
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 3: are some parallels. If did you watch the Lway doc

575
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: on Netflix. Haven't seen it if you haven't watched it,

576
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: but he in there is that game where they got

577
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: blown out by the forty nine ers, like fifty five

578
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: to ten in the Super Bowl, and John's like, looking back,

579
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: we had no chance. They were way better. But He's like,

580
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: I made it worse as I started freaking out and

581
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: forcing things. And that's what it looked like a little

582
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 3: bit with Drake. They're overwhelmed and he kind of starts

583
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: getting frazzled and forcing things, and it kind of got

584
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: worse because beside I had the two passes to mccollins.

585
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 3: It was horrendous offensive football, right, it was really bad.

586
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: He threw obviously a pick on a couple drives later.

587
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: He could have easily thrown another pick on that jump

588
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: ball into like triple coverage where even Collinsworth was like, god,

589
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: it looked like they were fair catching the ball. I mean,

590
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 3: it was just he's had an excellent season. I think

591
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: we got the right guy won the MVP, like Stafford

592
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: belonged as the MVP, especially when.

593
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker won the MVP. Here by the way, oh,

594
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: in the he deserved it.

595
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Speaker 3: You could have given to it. I thought you could

596
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: have given to the kicker, but you could have given

597
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: to Mike McDonald as well. Listen, Drake May, we might

598
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 3: look back on a couple of years, and he goes, listen,

599
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 3: it's the best thing that ever happened to me. A

600
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: lot of great quarterbacks ass paidon. Manning got his asking

601
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: for years in the playoffs.

602
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 2: Think about this, the legion of Boom, you know, humiliated

603
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning and the Super Bowl. But I think they

604
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: only had one sack in that game. If I recall,

605
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: this team had seven sacks and so it was. I mean,

606
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: Drake May, I mean, there's a difference between the pocket

607
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: being muddy, in the pocket being quicksand like there were

608
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: times he was throwing the ball and it was like

609
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: the difference between me and somebody sitting next to me

610
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: in this chair. Yeah, I just don't think I mean,

611
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: I don't think there's I mean, obviously if you had

612
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: a more veteran quarterback. But I said it this week,

613
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: I said, just look at Matt Stafford, I mean his family,

614
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: the kids, Like he's an adult. You can't be president

615
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: t your thirty five like Matt Stafford has more fourth

616
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: quarter comebacks in his career for wins then Drake May

617
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: has starts, And there is something to be said, Like

618
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: you saw in this game, Drake May got nervous. Matt

619
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: Stafford doesn't get nervous. Like again, when I said the MVP,

620
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Speaker 2: and I don't know if it was mena chimes or

621
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: somebody was arguing it. And there's a lot of stats.

622
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Speaker 2: It's like, it's not about just stats. I mean, first

623
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Speaker 2: of all, Drake May didn't have as many big plays,

624
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: big big throws they call it, had more mistakes. But

625
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: beyond that, when Drake May goes to the line of scrimmage,

626
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: he's not all how many times in this game did

627
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: you see him audible out of plays? I don't recall one,

628
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: not a single one, whereas Stafford does it. I mean,

629
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: and when you're audibling out of a play, you're audibling

630
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: out of a Sean McVay call, and he does it

631
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 2: four or five times in games. So I mean, what

632
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: Drake May struggled with tonight, I don't think anybody I

633
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: don't care. I mean Andrew Luck, I think had nine

634
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: different games with three picks. Andrew Luck like couldn't memorize

635
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: a phone book in two afternoons. Drake May wasn't born,

636
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: wasn't ready for this moment. That's why I kept saying

637
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Speaker 2: Drake May was one in seven going into this game

638
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: when he has to throw thirty five or more. If

639
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: New England couldn't run like they had to play great defense,

640
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: and they did for a half. They were really good

641
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: for a half. But he's just he's not ready for

642
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: this moment.

643
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: I thought, watching as their offense could just sputter series

644
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: the guy who's got to be sick to his Stomachus

645
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: Josh Allen and the Bills, and the reason they cried

646
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 3: after that that Bronco game is I'm not saying they

647
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: beat Seattle, but you'd be hard pressed if you're sitting

648
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: with Josh Allen watching this game, going that's the team

649
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: that represented. It's one thing when it was Mahomes, right,

650
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: I mean, Kyle Shanahan watching Seattle win it, He's like shit,

651
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: I mean, we would have loved to run into this

652
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: Patriot team in one of these Super Bowls. We're running

653
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: to Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen and I had to

654
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: be thinking there was a reason he was in tears

655
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: because he knew he had to go through bow Knicks.

656
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: And you know, second year Drake May whose team, just

657
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: the Patriots team is going to be dramatically better in

658
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 3: a couple of years. It's it's next year. It's pretty

659
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 3: crazy like last year when the Commanders made the NFC

660
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 3: Championship and this Patriot team made the Super Bowl. Typically,

661
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 3: teams that I would say new into their rebuild from

662
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 3: a talent standpoint and a roster construction do not make

663
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: runs like that. And the god they got exposed tonight.

664
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: I mean, well, and it's not you can't tell me.

665
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,479
Speaker 3: It's a coaching Rabels established as a great coach. Josh

666
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 3: McDaniels coached a million of these games. And there's nothing

667
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: they could do. Nothing, They had no when you can't

668
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 3: block Bill waltsh could have been calling the plays, it would.

669
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 2: Not have mattered.

670
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 3: Well.

671
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: The difference between Washington and New England is craft. We

672
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: don't know if Josh Peters is he the owner of Washington.

673
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: He took over her dam Josh Harris, I'm sorry, he's

674
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 2: more of a basketball guy. We don't know if he's

675
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 2: going to be a great football owner. Robert Kraft is

676
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: Frabel's a better coach than I think than Dan Quinn. Yes,

677
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: and Drake May doesn't have a history of getting hurt.

678
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels is a spindlely guy. We both love him.

679
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 2: We both said about Jaden Daniels, he is thin, kind

680
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 2: of a Teddy Bridgewater build where you like him, smart,

681
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: a lot of things to like, but you're like, man,

682
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: can that guy take? Is that a fifteen year starter

683
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 2: in the league, So there's gonna be no drop off.

684
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: They're going to be better. They draft well, they got

685
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 2: the right ownership, Josh mcdani niels. I mean, Cliff Kingsbury's

686
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: already gone in Washington. Josh McDaniel's gonna be there for

687
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: ten years. I thought I thought there were some real

688
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: tilling signs early in this game. Vrabel was telling you

689
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: by the early game plan, I mean he was telling

690
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 2: you how super aggressive they were, like they needed to

691
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: take a lead, like he knew we can't play from behind.

692
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: I mean they were jumping routes in the first two

693
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: series like they were taking bit and their their take was,

694
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: I mean, we have to create some guys we can't

695
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: play once it was nineteen to even, nineteen to seven,

696
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 2: nineteen nothing nineteen seven. You're like, I'm sitting there thinking, well,

697
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: New England can't. They're gonna need a blocked punt. That's

698
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: That's literally what I kept thinking during the game was

699
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: New England's gonna have to block a punt. You're not

700
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 2: going to return a touchdown on a kickoff. You have

701
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: to block a punt. They got, They got kind of

702
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: close to one. But I don't think New England's going anywhere.

703
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 2: I think they'll be better next year. That's why for

704
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, you know, Burrow, Lamar and Mahomes and Justin

705
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: Herbert will have his tackles. This was the year to

706
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: win in the AFC.

707
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 3: This was it big time, I mean, and the AFC, though,

708
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 3: even for the Patriots, is never gonna be Not that

709
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: it was easy for them by any means, but it'll

710
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 3: be much more difficult from a quarterback standpoint. If you

711
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: just look at the average the last five years, you're

712
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 3: going through a lot more talented than the C. J.

713
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: Strouds and the way it broke with them with Stidham, right,

714
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 3: I mean, they got some pretty good and listen, Herbert's

715
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: gonna have to answer some questions in the playoff games.

716
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: We all know, like he can't really prove much in

717
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 3: the regular season anymore. He's gonna be judged with Mike

718
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 3: and Harball in January. I'm not jumping ship, I'm not

719
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 3: selling my stock, but I mean, he's played three games,

720
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: they've been pretty bad.

721
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: What do we do with Sam Darnold now? Because I

722
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: think you and I think the same thing. The roster's young,

723
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: the GM's great, the coach is amazing. They don't have

724
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: to move off anybody. JSN young, the Cooper couple be

725
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: on the team. They'll probably draft another. Plus they got

726
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: that kid that got hurt earlier from Colorado State. The

727
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: receiver's actually kind of an interesting player. Horton.

728
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: Is that his name?

729
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. So my take is going in the next season,

730
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 2: tell me the quarterbacks that are definitively you would take

731
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: tomorrow over Sam Darnold. If you've got a three year contract.

732
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 3: Well, I mean to me, you don't need He doesn't

733
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: really need to worry worry about the AFC, the Mahomes,

734
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 3: the Allens. When you look at the NFC, it's like,

735
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: I mean, Caleb makes some great plays in the fourth quarter,

736
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 3: but god, he's throwing fifty percent of police percent.

737
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: This is look in the NFC right now. You take

738
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: him over golf because of his arm and the ability

739
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 2: to move. Stafford's old pretty can be injury prone and small.

740
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: Jordan Love we like, but he's not. I mean that

741
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: I think I feel about Jordan Love. There's a lot

742
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: to like. Big moves, whip. Maybe it's a little fluor thing,

743
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: but he hasn't want enough big games. Caleb's great, still

744
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: a work in progress. I would argue, I would I

745
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: shock you next.

746
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 3: Year Baker came back to earth Dak's older.

747
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: If I said to you the two best quarterbacks in

748
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: the NFC next year are Caleb Williams and Sam Donald,

749
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: is that crazy?

750
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean the Caleb thing, I mean we got

751
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 3: the he makes some great plays, and he makes some

752
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: great winning plays, but I mean we got to get

753
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: even assistent. Yeah, he's a little uneven. Now, this is

754
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 3: a huge offseason for him. I always bet on the coaching.

755
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 3: So it's like, s why Perty's not going anywhere. He's

756
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: got Kyle. It's why Caleb's not going anywhere. He's got

757
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson, right, So why Sam's not going anywhere? He's

758
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 3: got Mike in the infrastructure with John so I it

759
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: Obviously Stafford's just established. He hasn't gone anywhere for a

760
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: long time, even love Like, I mean, he's gotta be

761
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: a little more consistent, but he's been solid, right. I mean,

762
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 3: they go to the playoffs every year. It's just the

763
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: high end in the NFC is not the high end

764
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 3: in the AFC. I mean, johnsh Allens probably most talented

765
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 3: player of all time. Mahomes might be the best player

766
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 3: of all time. We'll see what it said and done.

767
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson is I don't know, the most unique player

768
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: I've ever seen. Like the Steve Young I grew up on,

769
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 3: wasn't running like the guy in the late eighties, right, Lamar,

770
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: the way he played now, can't he maintain it? But

771
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 3: Burrow when he's on looks like stronger Montana. So, I mean, yeah,

772
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 3: those guys are I mean, these are all time great talents.

773
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: But when you look at the NFC, there's a lot

774
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 3: of like Dacks and Goffs and like, to me, that's

775
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: what makes the NFC unique is you can watch Dak

776
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: over the aggregate and he's fantastic. Then the playoffs he

777
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 3: has been atrocious, right, And Jared Goff sometimes in these

778
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 3: bigger games. If you can pressurehim, he can't move. Purdy

779
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: has had some big moments, but it's like if can

780
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: he totally carry you? With his teams a little down,

781
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: Like he's got some limitations. Caleb, You're just not gonna

782
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: be able to consistently win thrown in the fifties. It's

783
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: just gonna be difficult. His completion percentage on the laffs

784
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: is gonna have to go up. But he's got a knack.

785
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 3: He's got kind of something special that it's hard to

786
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: even describe. So I think the NFC, I'd expect the

787
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: same teams to be back in the NFC. Like who's

788
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 3: gonna be in the NFC playoffs next year? Seattle, the Rams,

789
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 3: the Niners, the Packers. I mean it's like I don't

790
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 3: expect for the probably the Eagles. I mean, I don't

791
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,200
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792
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,680
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793
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,320
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00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,399
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00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,480
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00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,759
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00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,799
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00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,840
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833
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,600
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834
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,759
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835
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,240
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836
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,440
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837
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: Mendoza could be a double year win total team if

838
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: Clint Kubiak is you know, average, the slightly better than

839
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 2: average as a head coach, and they can get their

840
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,359
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841
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 2: but it is there's not I mean, the AFC will

842
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,719
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843
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,760
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844
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,799
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845
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:45,080
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846
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: That's why I say about Sam Darnold. It's like you

847
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: could see you could see like Stafford getting banged up.

848
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,719
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849
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: could see, you know, the Rams draft to tackle, he's

850
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 2: not ready to quite play. One of their tackles gets hurt.

851
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: Stafford gets banged up, maybe missed a few games. You

852
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: could see San Francisco again, they're old, expensive, they have

853
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: to hit on some draft picks. Seattle is one of

854
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: the surefire teams to me in the league unless the

855
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 2: Clint Kubiak replacement whiffs totally. But they're gonna get somebody

856
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: out of that tree somebody that brings the same offense.

857
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: So there's very few guarantees in the league. I kind

858
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: of feel like, strangely two guys that we think. I mean,

859
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: New England's gonna be good. That's a guarantee. I think

860
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: that's one of the safe guarantees. But I mean I

861
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: think the Bill.

862
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: I think the Bills are gonna be pretty good too.

863
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: I mean, they'll be.

864
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: Fine, but we don't know if Joe Brady, You're probably right,

865
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: but Seattle does feel a little bit like a yeah,

866
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: they're gonna be back here a lot.

867
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 3: We'll think about this when when Sam went to Seattle,

868
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 3: if you would have said to most people the fall football,

869
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 3: let's say he could have stayed in Minnesota, you'd like

870
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: stay there better. Now, looking back, the GM was just

871
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: forced out. Clearly they got some dysfunction internally. Z wouldn't

872
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: resign his contract till they got rid of the GM. Now,

873
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 3: the coach who has never won a playoff game pretty

874
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: clearly has all the power, which you know, a lot

875
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 3: of these personnel guys that can be scary. Andy Reid

876
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 3: went to Kansas City. He's like, I don't want to

877
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: be the GM anymore. I don't want that job. So

878
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,479
Speaker 3: now you've got Kevin O'Connell colin free agencies in a month.

879
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: They don't have a who do he thinks picking the

880
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: players for free agency or any of their moves. The

881
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: coach you go to Seattle, where I think we all

882
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 3: thought highly of Mike McDonald after this year, we go geez.

883
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: I mean, he's one of the best coaches in the league.

884
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: He's one of the brightest young coaches I ever remember,

885
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 3: because you know, he kind of I don't want to

886
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: say came out of nowhere because he's been in the

887
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: Ravens Street. But defensive guys, it takes a little while

888
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 3: for their hype to grow. In about a twenty four

889
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: month span, he went from like, this guy's a big

890
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 3: time defensive coordinator, this guy's one of the best head

891
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: coaches in the league, and they have a GM. I

892
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 3: googled it. There have been two gms before this that

893
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 3: have won a Super Bowl with or multiple Super bowls.

894
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 3: Would different head coaches and different quarterbacks. That's Howie Roseman

895
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: and Ozzie Newsom. Ozzie Newsom's already in the Hall of

896
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: Fame as a player, he might as well be as

897
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: a GM too. He's he's a Hall of Famer, Howie

898
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 3: Roseman when the dust Santle is gonna be Hall of

899
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: Famer two. John Schnyder's a Hall of Famer. Minnesota just

900
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 3: had to run their GM out because he hit on

901
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: two out of twenty eight draft picks. John Schnyder hits

902
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 3: on three draft picks every year with his eyes closed.

903
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: So it's like they actually went to a place which

904
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 3: is fantastic infrastructure that you would just bet on in

905
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 3: the future, where Minnesota you go, that's that's now. A coach,

906
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: a young coach would just Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVeigh.

907
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 3: They have powerful GMS and like Lesson, John have a

908
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 3: lot they can calm there. Who's telling Kevin and Brian

909
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 3: Flores what to do right now? The answer is nobody.

910
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 3: So in a weird way where it looked like, God,

911
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 3: you'd want to stay in Minnesota, the best thing that

912
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 3: ever happened to Sam was him getting out of there

913
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: and going to this place that is now like you said,

914
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: has this runway and a place that just he just

915
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 3: kind of gets to have a home and create like

916
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 3: he's going to be their quarterback. I mean, what would

917
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: you minimum five more years not going anywhere you talk

918
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: about contract extension.

919
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he broke into the league he was

920
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: twenty so he's twenty eight now. And you can just

921
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: tell from his body, like he stays in shape. He's

922
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: also Sam's also gotten much smarter, Like he sits down,

923
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 2: he doesn't take sacks. Sam's I mean, And I think

924
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: I remember reading this once about autistic kids. That was

925
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: an article and they were saying, you know, autistic kids

926
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: sometimes have advantages because they know they're very good strategic people,

927
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: because they know they have to be to succeed. You

928
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: have to be more strategic when you're on the spectrum.

929
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: And I don't remember where I read this, it was

930
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 2: years and years ago. And I also think people who

931
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 2: fail initially in their professional career, it really it serves

932
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: two things. One, you're so incredibly grateful. You're such a

933
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: great teammate going forward, if you've been crapped on, if

934
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 2: you've been in a bad environment, you're so appreciative of

935
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: a good environment. So that's an advantage when anytime in

936
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 2: life professionally, your first two jobs are awful. I mean,

937
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 2: you you in radio, you're like one of the easiest

938
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: guys ever. You got treated like crap in radio. I

939
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: remember when I listened to your first tape and I'm like, well,

940
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 2: why did they let him go? I don't I don't

941
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 2: understand it. But but the reality is you're probably now

942
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: more grateful because you had a bad situation. And I

943
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: think that's that's what ingratiates Sam is Like Sam was

944
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: always like a humble guy, but when it goes sideways,

945
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: you just have like there's there. It's the duality of life.

946
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: You know, if something if you don't get this in

947
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: your life, if you don't get that, if you have

948
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 2: to deal with something, they're there. People usually like are

949
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: more appreciative, they're more humble, they work harder. I mean,

950
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: there's there's no question. If you took the average trust

951
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 2: fund kid and the average kid that work up in

952
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 2: a working class family and had to work in a farm,

953
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: you know, you you the advantage to the ladder is

954
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: that his work ethic just may be so exemplary because

955
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: he's always had to work. Like he never had the

956
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: fancy cool stuff, right, like the shoes and the cars. Like,

957
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: so life is just about give and take and action

958
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: and reaction. And I think you know how Tom Brady

959
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 2: still cries when he talks about being drafted in the

960
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 2: sixth round. It won't matter what will happen to Sam Darnold.

961
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 2: My guess is John he will always take reasonably team

962
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 2: friendly deals. He will always take them because he got

963
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: He knows how bad it is when you don't have

964
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: enough talent. And my thing is, I think Sam's gonna

965
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 2: look at this and go like, man, I got lucky.

966
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: I could have gone to Carolina, like I think Sam

967
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: looks at it and you could say, boy, I bet

968
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: he wishes the Jets never happened. But in a way,

969
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: he's gonna be one of those guys that's gonna be

970
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: like you know what, it's like Matt Stafford's taking some

971
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: team friendly deals. Why because he was in Detroit right

972
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: like he you know, Aaron Rodgers, to his credit, took

973
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: a team friendly deal, which is he deserves credit for

974
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 2: that because in Green Bay it never bought himed out

975
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 2: like it was always pretty good. So I think Darnold's career,

976
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: I think going forward, he's always gonna be a guy

977
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: that's gonna sign quick, team friendly, great teammate. He may

978
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: have always been that because he's a great guy with

979
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: a great family. But there are advantages sometimes to getting

980
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 2: punched in the ribs early in your professional career, early

981
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: in your life.

982
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's harder to be introspective when life's

983
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 3: pretty good, right, I mean, it's easy to look in

984
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: the mirror when you're like, you know, things aren't going great.

985
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 3: Look a look at the Chiefs this offseason for the

986
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 3: first time, some of those guys are gonna have to go. God,

987
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: that sucked. It could be one of those you look

988
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 3: back in five years where Mahomes goes is the best

989
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 3: thing that ever happened. Though, we had to do some reevaluation.

990
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 3: What do you reevaluate when you're making the Super Bowl

991
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 3: every year win or lose? Right? So I think the

992
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 3: other thing is a team friendly deal. In a couple

993
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 3: of years, Colin could be like four years, one hundred

994
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 3: and fifty million dollars. So it's like the boom of

995
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 3: the NFL. You know, when I hear about these coaching situations,

996
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 3: well this guy, you know, the everything that happened with

997
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: the ten coaches only one black guy. Well, if I'm

998
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 3: Brian Flores, I would rather make six million and work

999
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 3: for Kevin O'Connell. I'm making more than Todd Munkin and

1000
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 3: the Arizona I wouldn't take. Those jobs are terrible. I

1001
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: wouldn't touch those jobs with a twenty football that if

1002
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 3: I'm Flores, unless the Steelers or the Ravens are highing me,

1003
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 3: I'm not going to these other places. I'm already I've

1004
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 3: already had my career derailed, and I'm being compensated to

1005
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 3: be the number two here. But I wouldn't the Cardinals job.

1006
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: That's as bad as there are fifteen college jobs that

1007
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 3: dwarf that. I mean, that's that's a terrible football. The

1008
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 3: Browns like that is all those guys are gonna get

1009
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 3: fired in a couple of years. I've bet my life

1010
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 3: on that. So I think when you look at the NFL,

1011
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 3: some of these situations, you know, it's just it's pretty

1012
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 3: rare to win all the time. What's the less as

1013
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 3: John Schneider ever lost the gym, They're bad. Seasons have

1014
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 3: been like nine and seven. They just they don't lose.

1015
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 3: So most of these teams never win. I would have

1016
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 3: told Robert sala I said, you better be pretty sure

1017
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 3: going to Tennessee. I mean that that is a place

1018
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 3: where you got a lot going for you, your career

1019
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 3: is only gonna go like this from a from the

1020
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 3: way people talk about you. You go to Tennessee, it

1021
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 3: could really derail you. Rahee Morris, who clearly had changed

1022
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 3: his career around, takes the Falcons job like I don't

1023
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 3: know if the Falcons is a good job. I would argue,

1024
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 3: like that thing's not really gonna work just because it's

1025
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 3: just not a good place. The Giants do have the infrastructure,

1026
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 3: They've just been hiring the wrong people. So I think

1027
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 3: when you look at Sam Darnold and you look like

1028
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 3: a lot of these guys the story schefter put out

1029
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 3: today they want to get rid of Tua and Kyler. Well,

1030
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 3: both those two teams paid them top of the market.

1031
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 3: They weren't top of the market players. It's like John Morant,

1032
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 3: you're not gonna be able to give those guys away.

1033
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 3: You were not gonna be able to give either. Maybe

1034
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 3: Kyler if they eat a bunch of money, because he's

1035
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 3: got some physical you know, he's got a big arm,

1036
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 3: he can run around a little bit. Tua, I don't

1037
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 3: think there's a team in the league that would touch him.

1038
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: For the veteran minimum if he was cut. You know,

1039
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 3: so the Miami you pay overpaid these wrong quarterbacks. We

1040
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 3: have a great lesson over the last like five six years.

1041
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 3: You go all in on the right guys, okay, but

1042
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 3: you go all in on the wrong guys, it's gonna

1043
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 3: derail your franchise. I don't care who your coach is.

1044
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: Former NFL scout John Middlecoff. His podcast is three and out.

1045
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 2: The Seattle Seahawks are Super Bowl champions twenty nine to thirteen.

1046
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker is the MVP. Jason Myers super Bowl record,

1047
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold, no turnovers, solid performance. I mean, his story

1048
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: arc is complete. He can gain manage, he can get

1049
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: in a shootout.

1050
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: Do you think Allan family just got an extra billion

1051
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: dollars selling it into a Super Bowl championship? That does

1052
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 3: that add a billion on it?

1053
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 2: Probably? Honestly, what's your guests on.

1054
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 3: The number right now?

1055
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: Eight?

1056
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 3: I might even go like eight and a half. I

1057
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 3: don't see how it goes for a number that doesn't

1058
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 3: blow people out of the water.

1059
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 2: Well, if you buy it for eight and you're worth

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Speaker 2: twenty five billion, you pay four and a half. You

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Speaker 2: you own fifty five sixty percent, But you get other investors.

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Speaker 2: That's what you do. So that's what Mark Cuban did

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Speaker 2: with the MAVs. You buy the majority share, but then

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Speaker 2: you get Elon Musk with Twitter. He's using all sorts

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Speaker 2: of money, right Like, So if somebody's worth twenty five billion,

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Speaker 2: they pay four billion cash and they own, you know,

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Speaker 2: fifty one to fifty two percent, and then they get

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Speaker 2: six other rich guys, but they have the final say,

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Speaker 2: and eight billion becomes pretty affordable in the oligark world

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Speaker 2: pretty quickly. John, I'm happy. I must sleep well tonight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine all your Seattle friends, big moment

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Speaker 3: for the Pacific Northwest. That's that was.

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Speaker 1: That was cool.

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Speaker 2: Then I call my sister right now, all right, Bud

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Speaker 2: see it

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Speaker 1: The