1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Spoilers are a path to the dark side. Spiders lead 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: to anger. Anger lead to eat, he leads to suffering. 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: I sent many spoilers in this podcast from our galaxy 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: far far. 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 2: Away in the series Star Wars Visions on Disney Plus, 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: so beware of that. 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 3: Also what if. Hello. 8 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: Welcome to episode four of x ray Vision, the cricket 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 2: podcast where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, 10 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 2: and pop culture and more. Today we are covering the 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: first three unbelievable episodes of the new anthology series Star 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: Wars Visions on Disney Plus, Disgraceful Plus news recaps, and 13 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: of course, the endgame. But first, let's welcome back to 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: the show one of our co hosts, Cody Ziggler Zig. 15 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: How are you, sir? 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 4: I am thriving. It was a great topic to talk about. 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 5: I'm currently on hiatus from my writing shows, so I 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 5: have been speeding through all the Star Wars movies in 19 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 5: chronological orders, so this is a perfect episode for me. 20 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 5: I'm glad to come back for marrying my love of 21 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 5: anime and my love of the Lightsabers and Star Wars. 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: I can't wait to talk about all of that. 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: Zake, of course, as a podcaster, writer of both comics 24 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: and TV, including Rick and Wardy, The up Becoming She Hulk. 25 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: Let's get into it. 26 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: In today's previously on, Let's start with the shocking adaptation 27 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: of a Marvel property, Hit Monkey, dropping November seventeenth on Hulu. 28 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 3: Ten years ago. 29 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: When I read the Hit Monkey, if you told me 30 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: that it one day would be a property that would 31 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: be adapted, I'd be like, what if you told me 32 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: two days ago that it would have been a property 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: that somebody plucked out of the Marvel canon too adapt 34 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: I'd be like, what. Hit Monkey follows the adventures of 35 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: a jap these snow monkey and Macaque voiced by Fred 36 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: Tatoski or assisted by the ghosts of an American assassin 37 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: named Price voiced by Jason sidikis, also starring George Takai 38 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 2: as shiny Olivia Munn as a Kiko. 39 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 3: Sci Fi War describes the series. It's this. 40 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: Hit Monkey was originally one of four Marvel shows greenlit 41 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: at Hulu, alongside Modoc Howard, The Duck Tiger and dazzlart Men. 42 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: What a Slate Folks dropped the strain from that particular 43 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: pitch meeting where all that stuff got green lit because 44 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: I want it. 45 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 5: Hater, it couldn't be done. Hater said they couldn't make 46 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 5: a show about a hitman monkey. But now it's here. 47 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 5: I love to hear it. What a perfect time to 48 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 5: be a comic book nerd. I can't believe, like you said, 49 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 5: like when I read Deadpool versus Hit Monkey or whatever, 50 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 5: like fifteen years ago, I never would have pinged that 51 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 5: one as the one that they get the show, And 52 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 5: now I'm completely stoked for it. And the animation looks 53 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 5: dope as fuck too, Like the trailer looked like like, 54 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 5: oh wow, this is like an action like an action 55 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 5: animated show. I can't wait for it. 56 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 2: Now, everything but mo Doc obviously, and hit Monkey got axed. 57 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: But here we are Hit Monkey. The trailer is out. 58 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: I am. 59 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 2: I still can't believe we live in a world the 60 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: flex is unprecedent Number one. Cool that they're using Hulu 61 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: as like the place where you can see people get decapitated. 62 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: And stuff, like in a Marvel property. 63 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: It's gonna be like they're more adult, kind of more reverent, 64 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 2: non cannon world where you're going to see this stuff. 65 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: But still, I can't believe that this happened I have 66 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: not checked in on Hit Monkey or dead Pool versus 67 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: Hit Monkey in twelve fifteen years. 68 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 4: Whatever it is, Well, who has really? I mean who? 69 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 6: Yes? 70 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean as you're saying, like I do like 71 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 5: the idea that Hulu is like the Marvel Nights or 72 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 5: the Marvel Max line right, like, no, we have Like 73 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 5: you know, Disney Plus is pretty obviously they don't. Really 74 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 5: they really sort of stick like the PG thirteen but 75 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 5: really PG for most of their stuf. So it is 76 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 5: nice getting it out that we can see these like 77 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 5: more eccentric characters go on more eccentric and centric adventures 78 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 5: and stuff, and also show a little bit of blood, 79 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 5: show him do get his arm mipped off, show a monkey, 80 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 5: air the clip out like, I'm all for it. 81 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: So for those of you who are like, what the 82 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 2: fuck is hit Monkey? What is it about? Just off 83 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: remembering going through the foggy archives of my brain from 84 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 2: a decade plus ago. Hit Monkey is a Japanese snowmacac 85 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: who comes into contact with a dying assassin who like 86 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: was ambushed or something, and he wanders into like the mountains, 87 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 2: comes across this tribe of monkeys, who then take care 88 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 2: of this assassin but then hit Monkey disagrees with this, 89 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: but like learns assassining from this assassin, and then much 90 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 2: like John Wick or like the Frank Castle backstory, hit 91 00:04:55,360 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: Monkey gains these skills of assassining. But then the assassins 92 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: that tried to kill the Hitman come to the mountains, 93 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: they kill his whole tribe of monkeys, and so now 94 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: hit Monkey, bent on revenge, goes and eventually kills them 95 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 2: and has these adventurers. 96 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 3: He dresses in a nice suit. 97 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what It's important. 98 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 6: Part. 99 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 4: He has like a little monkey textedo that he walks 100 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 4: around the world in. 101 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 3: Like where does this open? 102 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 4: Now? 103 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: I does that comport with your memories of Hit Monkey 104 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: the series? 105 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 4: Yeah? 106 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 5: I mean my introduction to hit Monkey was through Deadpool. 107 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 5: I think there was a run or there was like 108 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 5: maybe a one off series called Deadpool Versus Hit Monkey 109 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 5: where Deadpool just getsh to act to whip by this 110 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 5: little monkey. 111 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 4: From four issues. 112 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 5: I was like, okay, like sign me up, because, like 113 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm a huge Deadpool stand like he's one 114 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 5: of my favorite characters. Like when he's getting fucking his 115 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 5: ass waxed by a little monkey taxito, I was like, 116 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 5: all right, this is a character I need to follow 117 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 5: like that that tracks for me from what I remember 118 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 5: reading a decade and a half ago. 119 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 3: So wild. 120 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: So I'm excited for this, I will say. Let me 121 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: just I feel the need to say this. Okay, it's 122 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: been a tough time for Asian people just getting murdered 123 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 2: by hit men who are angry. 124 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 3: That isn't happened a lot. So hopefully this is done. 125 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 3: It'll in a tasteful way. 126 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: And I get it, like he'd hit Monkey is also 127 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 2: is Asian. That said we can do more than just 128 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 2: be bodies that get dropped. That said, I'm excited for 129 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: hit Monkey. 130 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 4: Yeah I was. 131 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 5: I watched Kate recently on Netflix and like like, man, 132 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 5: this this white lady just hurting everyone's feeling into Japan. 133 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 5: This seems kind of crazy, like this is this is wild, 134 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 5: Like she's taking it out. Yeah, kuza like this. I mean, 135 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 5: I mean, okay, maybe that's me. She's a trained assassin, 136 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 5: but yeah, I was like, oh this is a wow. 137 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 5: They just she's got bought, he's got numbers over here. 138 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: She was running up the score. Mary Elizabeth, a fan. Yeah, 139 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 2: but I had to turn the movie off. Let's talk 140 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: about what if. Episode six What if kill Monger rescued 141 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: Tony Stark uh in which Eric Stevens, otherwise known as 142 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: Killmonger in the in like the depths of his run 143 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: of Mongering kills, rescues Tony Stark from the Ten Rings 144 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: attack in Afghanistan, goes on to become his buddy, basically 145 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: blows up Obadiah Stains spot as Obadiah's in the midst 146 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 2: of trying to betray Tony Stark, gets Tony's trust, gets 147 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: a bunch of vibranium, and long story short, ends up 148 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 2: taking over Wakanda. This was it feels like this is 149 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: going to lead directly into the episodes that are that 150 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: are coming or some other second part episode, because more 151 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 2: than any of the other episodes, this one felt like 152 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: there is a sequel somewhere. 153 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, this one, This one in Marble Zombies felt 154 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 5: the most like, oh, this is setting up for either 155 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 5: there's a two part or later in this season, or like, 156 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 5: I don't if they get another season, maybe they're going 157 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 5: to do. 158 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 4: The things we'll just have like sequels stitched in that. 159 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 5: But like so, I came into this having just seen 160 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 5: Black Panther aut the Hollywood Bowl where they have like 161 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 5: the live orchestra and stuff, like I was already like 162 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 5: I was completely prepped for it. 163 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: I think this would have been if there's a second part. 164 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 4: M hmm. 165 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 3: There's parts of this that were my favorite episode. 166 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: First of all, Killmonger, I think is I would argue 167 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: at this point maybe the best villain in the Marvel 168 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: Yeah cinematic universe canon, because what is the saying, like, uh, 169 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: if the villain has a point, that's probably a good villain. Yeah, 170 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: Like I don't know who has a better point than 171 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: Eric Stevens. 172 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, like not even my Hotep friends, like all my 173 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 5: black friends. When when when Black Panther dropped, Like yo, 174 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 5: Killmuk was talking that talk right now. I mean he 175 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 5: went about it and maybe not the best matter, but 176 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 5: like he speaking of truth to power right now. Like 177 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 5: I'm kind of rooting for him and like even for this, 178 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 5: Like you know, Thanos is such a big character, Like 179 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 5: it's hard to like wrap your head around the idea 180 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 5: of like someone will sixteen, which half the fucking universe. 181 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 5: Like yeah, like when you get to trillions, like you 182 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 5: can't even comprehend that number when it's like yo, yeah 183 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 5: you don't pay me what you owe like I can 184 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 5: make to that, like I can won it percent relate 185 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 5: to the kil Munger. 186 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 4: I think that's why that villain sticks around so so much. 187 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 3: I completely agree. 188 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: You know, it's like to your point of I might 189 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: disagree with the methodology. You know, kill Monger is like, hey, 190 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 2: y'all owe us, and the world is like, okay, well 191 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: let's figure out let's figure out a payment plan. It's 192 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: gonna be a multi step process. It'll probably take like 193 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: half a century to maybe a century to like actually 194 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: work it all out. We'll spend the first thirty years 195 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 2: to fifty years just like discussing whether or not we 196 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 2: actually owe anything. 197 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 3: And kill Mongers like, just now, forget all that. 198 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 5: I'm not trying to skip that Twitter discourse. Let's get 199 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 5: right to it, b Let's get right to it. 200 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: That part is what makes him so absolutely compelling. I 201 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: will say, I love this entire episode. I have one note. 202 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 2: My one small note is Michael B. Jordan needed to 203 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 2: go harder in the Pain on the Waconda. Like I 204 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: don't know if you like, if they missed it, like 205 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: if they like clearly like Michael B's a busy guy. 206 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 3: They probably only had him for a very limit did time. 207 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: But when he recorded that line, it was like someone 208 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: was sleeping in the next room doing it on like 209 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: the Apple Voice memo or something, because he was just 210 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: like whatever it was. 211 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 5: It's like he was about to step into like his 212 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 5: uber black to go to the airport. He's like, you know, 213 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 5: when I gotta knock this ad R request un forever? Alright, 214 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 5: great check. 215 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: You know, like when you put it, when you put 216 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: it in the back of your neck and pretend that 217 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: you're screaming like a fake falsetto or something. 218 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 5: It's like, man, he was walking out of the video 219 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 5: booth and yelling it into the mic as he was 220 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 5: like leaving, leaving the session over. 221 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, I needed that a little stronger. I'm excited. 222 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: Of course, this is gonna. 223 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: Come out the day that the next episode of What 224 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: If is coming out, which has been teased to include 225 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 2: thor that we can let's what are you expecting for 226 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: the end of the season of What If? 227 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 5: You know, it's it's such a it's such a mixed bag, 228 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 5: and that being a good thing as far as, like 229 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 5: you know, these are mostly standalone episodes so far. I 230 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 5: really do hope that they sort of start wrapping, tying 231 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 5: things into other stuff that's happened, because it's like, you know, 232 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 5: and the Doctor Strange episode, like that's the first time 233 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 5: that we acknowledge that they, like people can interact with 234 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 5: the Watcher at least people that are like that have 235 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 5: cosmic scenes, cosmic you know, intuition or whatever. So like 236 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 5: I'm hoping that at the home point that you know, 237 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 5: the Watcher gets brought in and like has something that 238 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 5: as affects the universe, like he needs to break his code. 239 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 5: Like that's always the thing with the Watcher, Like you 240 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 5: wait for him, You're wanting, You're waiting for him to 241 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 5: break his code, and like I'm curious to see if 242 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 5: that happens or what that thing is. Like I'm wondering 243 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 5: if they're gonna tie in King to it all, Like 244 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 5: what's the King of it? Since that's the person that 245 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 5: sort of kickstarted all this whole, all this whole multiverse conversation. 246 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 5: So like I'm hoping that it becomes a little bit 247 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 5: more canonical and also that we see some like we 248 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 5: have a more active. 249 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 4: Watcher like he was in the Doctor Strange episode. 250 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. 251 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: I think that I said this on last week's episode 252 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 2: with Rosie, but he I think that we're going to 253 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: see the Watcher break his code obviously. 254 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 3: I think that that is going to. 255 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: Take the form of him being like the cosmic Nick Fury, 256 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: assembling the Guardians of the of the Multiverse. Obviously they 257 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: don't know about each other. So the Watcher is gonna 258 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: be like, Okay, the multiverse. You know, I'm out of 259 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: a job. 260 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 3: If the multiverse goes, there's nothing to watch. 261 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: Therefore, I'm gonna have to put all of y'all in 262 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: contact with with each other. Like I know this Hero, 263 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: I know this corrupted Strange. I also know this kill 264 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: Monger who is bad but maybe you could use him. 265 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 2: I also know this T'halla who is star Lord like. 266 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: And then he's gonna start plucking people from these various 267 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: multi I know this Captain Carter, and he's gonna start 268 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: putting them in contexts with each other, and that will 269 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 2: be the finale in which they take on you know, 270 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: Infinite Ultron. 271 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is my theory. 272 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 4: That's a solid theory. I'm with that. When I want 273 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 4: to read it, I want to watch it. 274 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: Let's get into Star Wars. 275 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: You've been guided by the four since you were. 276 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 6: Born at last, the moment arise. 277 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 3: We're back today. 278 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 2: We're stepping out of the airlock and into the Star 279 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: Wars universe has never seen before. In the new anime 280 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: inspired Yes you can say inspired, I mean it's just anime, 281 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: straight up an anthology series Star Wars Visions. We're gonna 282 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: be covering the first three episodes, The Duel, Tattooine Rhapsody, 283 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 2: and the Twins. These are man all very very different, 284 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: and all very very cool. Let's start with the Duel 285 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: by Kamakazi Duga. In a remote village, a mysterious Ronan 286 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 2: duels a Sith bandit leader while droves of armed bandits 287 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: attempt to pellision plunder a town. Ultimately, it becomes clear 288 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 2: that our wandering Ronan is also maybe a failed Sith 289 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: or just a Jedi who didn't go through with his training. 290 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: Whatever the case may be, the duel is exciting and 291 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: ends with the death. 292 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 3: Of the bandit leader. 293 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: The Ronan is voiced by Brian t Sith bandit leader 294 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: by Lucy Lou and the village chief by Jaden Waldman. 295 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 3: Directed by Taknubu Mizuno. Just totally cool. 296 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: There's gonna be a standalone novel based on this. It's 297 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: great that they started with this one because it is 298 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: the one that makes the most obvious nod to the 299 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 2: original Japanese cinema influences on Star Wars the films of 300 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: Kurosawa's kind of like black and white, rainy texture. 301 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 3: What did you think of this episode? 302 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 5: I'm gonna saying this a lot for every episode, by 303 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 5: this exact shit that I wanted, Like like you're saying, 304 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 5: like you know, it's like it's very much like you know, 305 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 5: it's it's seven Samurai, It's the hidd and Forth. It's 306 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 5: like you know, it's it's a classic. It's a classic 307 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 5: Samurai chan bar or Western. We're like, oh, a drifter 308 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 5: comes into town and they have to see them from 309 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 5: the bandits, And like I also love a running thing 310 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 5: that's throughout these episodes. 311 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 4: Is that the idea of like the gray Jedi or like. 312 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 5: The Gray Sith, And like, yeah, I also love that 313 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 5: they finally completely married, Like yeah, the Gatanas are just 314 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 5: like sabers, like they keep them in hilts for whatever reason, 315 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 5: and like whenever my boy draws out his sword to 316 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 5: like get into that first dance, like I'm with it, 317 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 5: Like I also love that they have the callbacks like 318 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 5: other like I love like the little Suboba guys driving 319 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 5: like the little little droid racer, Like I love that 320 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 5: the uh they do with the mini gun's like that, 321 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 5: you know, the assassination robot, Like I loved all that shit. 322 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 5: I less all love that, you know, just the the 323 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 5: the art direction as far as like the bandits like 324 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 5: all like they had like the Stormtroopers maths that all 325 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 5: like sort of held together with like you know, duct 326 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 5: tape and spit Like it's a perfect introduction like to 327 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 5: what this status caol that this series is trying to 328 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 5: stay as far as like we're gonna go in a 329 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 5: gay so that's far for away and we call it 330 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 5: the space. We can have like fetal Japan planet, we 331 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 5: can have, you know, Miyazaki world, we can have like 332 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 5: Robot a. 333 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 4: Extro boy planet. 334 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 5: Like it's the perfect worked episode to like get you 335 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 5: primed for this world and what you're gonna be watching. 336 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is exactly what I wanted and it was 337 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: the perfect way to open it. The vibe when the 338 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: Sith Bandit leader arrives, so the village guards the chief 339 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: of the village as a child flips the script on 340 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 2: the bandits who have rounded up the villagers out come 341 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: the hired mercenaries that guard the town, and it's like, 342 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: as you said, like one of them is like a 343 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 2: bounty hunter droid with a huge minigun. Another is like 344 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: a bosque like trandosan with like two huge swords. Another 345 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: one is like the Imperial spy drone from Empire. 346 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 3: S breaks back with like Samurai swords and they just 347 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 3: like wipe out these bandits. 348 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: And then the Sith leader come out of her ship, 349 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: surveys the destruction and just says very quietly disgraceful. 350 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: And then. 351 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 3: And then the music kicks. 352 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 7: It like look whenever the boss comes out and they say, 353 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 7: they say one word like mediocre, like someone's asked is 354 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 7: about to get fucking whipped, And like she pulls out 355 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 7: that she has like her like special lightsaber umbrella that 356 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 7: like has like eight different spindles. 357 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 5: I'm like, yo, yes, sign me the f up boy. 358 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 5: This is this is exactly the ship that I want. 359 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 3: Yes, it was just so so cool, you know. 360 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 5: I just like I said, I just rewatched all the 361 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 5: Star Wars movies, like seeing that sort of take on, 362 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 5: like the Anakin Obi Wan fight on, like the lava, 363 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 5: like Mustafari on, like the log going down the river, 364 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 5: and like. 365 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 6: It was. 366 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 4: It was. 367 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 5: It was such such a fun like re like reimagining 368 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 5: of what we we all the notes that we're used 369 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 5: to seeing in these movies. 370 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: I agree, And I found myself thinking about the like 371 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: globalisation of like pop culture influences and how you know, 372 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 2: it must have been weird and disorienting, but also exciting 373 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 2: to be like a Japanese person watching Star Wars and 374 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 2: picking out all these influences and seeing how they were 375 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 2: mashed together when you you know, when you saw the 376 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 2: first Star Wars trilogy, similarly to watch these two and 377 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 2: you know, speaking about the duel right now by Kama 378 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 2: Koza Yuga, and see the way all the Star Wars 379 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: influences are just thrown together in a way that is 380 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 2: very it's very purposeful, but it's also like not bound 381 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 2: by the quote unquote rules that would happen like if 382 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: it like if if this was an adaptation done by 383 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 2: a Western studio or an American studio, they'd be like, well, 384 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 2: you can't do this because yeah, where is this planet 385 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 2: even and this character was not around, and like how 386 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: would they have gotten a forget that. Let's just throw 387 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 2: all this shit together and it's cool. Yeah, I love that. 388 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: There's like an into the energy of that is so 389 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 2: fun because I honestly like the childhood energy of Star 390 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: Wars to me is just being like, oh my god, 391 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: what is that is that? Who is that person that 392 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: was in the background for two seconds? Yeah, it's like 393 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: what is that like? And this captures that because it's 394 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: like it's just like all these little details that you 395 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: want to know more about everything. 396 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, well it's like you know, Boba fav was like, Oh, 397 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 5: that's the dude the cool helmet that says nothing in 398 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 5: the Second Empire strikes Back and like and even Musk 399 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 5: like he just you see his toes and you see 400 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 5: his face, like that's all that he does in those movies. 401 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 5: But you're like, oh, this dude looks cool, Like I 402 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 5: want to I want to do this, and like I 403 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 5: think that Another cool thing, as you're mentioning, is like 404 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 5: the idea of like, since this is going to like 405 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 5: Japanese studios, which are like obviously influence these movies, it's 406 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 5: like they're being distilled down and reinterpreted by the people 407 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 5: in culture that originally influenced. It's like they're able to 408 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 5: have those those like those tropes and cliches like and 409 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 5: not even cliches in a bad way, but it being 410 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 5: like they can they can like really hammer those home. 411 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 5: Like when Lucy Lou pulls out her lightsaber and the 412 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 5: dude catches it with his hands with this force. I 413 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 5: was like, that's my shit, Like that, that's such a 414 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 5: classic clean trope in like any like you know, Samurai 415 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 5: anime or it's just Semai movies in general, and like 416 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 5: seeing that applied through the Force and like just seeing 417 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 5: that like little tweak reinterpretation and how they apply it 418 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 5: to Star Wars was like such a ret of fresh. 419 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: Air about the standalone novel It's gonna be written by 420 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 2: Emma Mikocandon. It arrives October twelve, spans the story of 421 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 2: the sith Ronin. According to Star Wars dot Com, James Wah, 422 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 2: the VP of Franchise Content and Strategy, says quote, out 423 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: of all the shorts, the dual felt most rife for 424 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: an ongoing story in a novel. The team at comic 425 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: because Douga, We're very generous and obliging our interest in 426 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: continuing the storytelling had a ton of ideas to lend 427 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 2: in the creative process. The author Emma says, quote, I 428 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: love that Visions as a whole is a grand recursive experiment, 429 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 2: a fairy tale of a fairy tale, a myth built 430 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 2: upon modern mythology. It makes the most sense in terms 431 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: of it's the most disconnected from other stuff. The other 432 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: episodes take place like in particular worlds that you will recognize, 433 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 2: So this is it's the perfect. 434 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 3: One to kind of like stretch their legs on. 435 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, it screams like side story, and that's what I think. 436 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 5: That's that's a big offering that this particular episode, or 437 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 5: even though like this micro universe can can really expand. 438 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,959 Speaker 2: On next Tattooine Rhapsody by Studio Coloredo toin Engine, a 439 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 2: former Jedi Padawan becomes the singer of an aspiring rock 440 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 2: band very subtly carries his microphone slash lightsaber like got 441 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: his belt just like as it there. The band's name 442 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: is Star Waiver, and they ultimately come into conflict with 443 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: Job of the Hut and Boba Fett because a member 444 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: of their band is Jaba's son. 445 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 3: And Jaba wants him back. 446 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: The cast is Jay played by Joseph Gordon Levitt, Geezer 447 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 2: played by Bibby Mornihan Boba Fett, Timora Morrison K three p. 448 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: Forty four as Shelby Young, and lan Mark Thompson. This 449 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: was super fun. This is the one where you're like, 450 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: if you start to think about where and when this 451 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: possibly could have taken place in Clone Wars, You're introduced 452 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: to Java Son Jaba Son as a child. At that point, 453 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 2: it's not clear that it's it's not the same person. 454 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 2: This is like completely different. This takes place on tattooine 455 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 2: like in the pod racing arena. Yeah, super fun, like 456 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: music based. 457 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 5: It's the most like anime of it all as far 458 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 5: as like we're gonna have a bunch of fun. It's 459 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 5: gonna be a slice of life music anime and like 460 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 5: we're gonna just we're just gonna map Star Wars over it. 461 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 5: Like I love that Geezer is like his dirt bag 462 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 5: son that has like he has like hair transplants and 463 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 5: like a noseby he plays space bass. 464 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 2: Yes in his garage garage man, Like, I mean this 465 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: is perfect because like one of the music in Star Wars. 466 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 3: Bands in Star Wars. 467 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: Is such a under explored part of the in world 468 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 2: reality like obviously that that you know, there is the 469 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: band on Java's barge, there is the band in the canteena. 470 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: There is like music all around, but this is the 471 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 2: first time we ever really explored it in a way 472 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: that like centers it. And just like you know, in 473 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: the world of Star Wars, other than the animation stuff 474 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 2: like just from the movies, you don't get you don't 475 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 2: very often other than the music, get a sense of 476 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 2: like culture, popular culture, what people talk about, like what 477 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,719 Speaker 2: people go and do as like entertainment other than pod racing, 478 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 2: and like these little snippets of like a musical adventure. 479 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 3: That's why I love this. 480 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 2: The idea that there's like this band that's like on 481 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: the on the rise out here in the galaxy is 482 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 2: so fun. 483 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's when you say that because we 484 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 5: get those snippets of like people like going to bars, 485 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 5: going to canteenas, they like doing death sticks. But like 486 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 5: that's really all that we have as far as like 487 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 5: what people do when they're not like in war. 488 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, it is like it's a such of fun. 489 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 5: Like this is the one that I also want to 490 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 5: seek a sequel too, Like I just want to see 491 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 5: that world blown out because like it's such a fun 492 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 5: niche thing that could only happen in this universe. Like 493 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 5: you're saying, like, yeah, what are the what are the 494 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 5: dudes that play the space flutes do in the Containa man? 495 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 4: Like what are the influences? 496 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 5: Like what are there like Miles Davids that got them 497 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 5: into like playing space jazz? Like I want to see, 498 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 5: like I want to see like the Space strokes, Like 499 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 5: what are these guys turned into? 500 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 6: You know? 501 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. 502 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 2: I love that Jay's pitch to Jabas Like, hey, how 503 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: about you become our our first sponsor? 504 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 3: What about that? 505 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 4: Yeah? 506 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 5: What a perfect Like you know, us wars are so heavy, 507 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 5: like you know, good and bad must come together and 508 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 5: face each other blues. And this was like, you know, 509 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 5: we need money for a new Space fan. We would 510 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 5: love if you didn't kill our bass player and we 511 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 5: can make you a lot of money in the end. 512 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 3: I mean, look at this, like we filled the pod 513 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 3: racing stadium. 514 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: People are going fucking ape shit Java, Like do you 515 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 2: want a part of this? Also, don't pretend that I 516 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: didn't see your tail tapping to the beat. 517 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, my guy, Yeah, yeah, I felt it. Yeah, yeah, 518 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 5: we the slap's job and we see you slapping with it. 519 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 5: B better we get Kendrick on the track Game over 520 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 5: Space Kendrick, I. 521 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 2: Would say, my one My one note is like maybe 522 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 2: we should have brought in a pitch singer for Joe. 523 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 2: My guy was like a full step and a half 524 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 2: flat for the entire versus chorus. 525 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 3: I got to feel that versus chorus, and I. 526 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 2: Didn't feel it quite as much as I needed to, 527 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 2: but still it was super fun. 528 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 4: He committed to it. 529 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 5: He committed, admitted, committed, and he also committed like this 530 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,239 Speaker 5: little my favorite like anime notes, like the like all 531 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 5: that ye shuff like. 532 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 3: He went hard, like he went hard in the way 533 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 3: Michael b needed. 534 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 4: To go hard. 535 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 3: Say what kind of forever? 536 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, because he like screamed the screen really really really fun. 537 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 6: One. 538 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: If people are feeling these first two animes, what would 539 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 2: you say, are like the comps to like go out and. 540 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 3: Oh boy and watch? 541 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the first one definitely, I mean this 542 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 5: is live actually, but Yo Jimbo, like that's obviously seven Samurai, 543 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 5: but like anime wise, I'd say basilisk, it's a fun 544 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 5: like Samurai anime it's like a ninju scroll like. Those 545 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 5: are two ones I think are very fun. Cops that 546 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 5: are think oh and sort of the Stranger Like, those 547 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 5: are three that I think really compliment to compliment this 548 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 5: as far as like Tattooed Rhapsody is funny because I 549 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 5: don't watch that much like musical anime, but like there's 550 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 5: like a nice like slice of life. Like I think 551 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 5: if you like just google any like modern comedy anime, 552 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 5: like that'll be a fun one to jump into. Any 553 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 5: like anything that's like that looks bright and happy and weird. 554 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 5: It has like weird like character proportions, like you're going 555 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 5: to be into it, And I think that will be 556 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 5: a perfect compliment for Tattooed Rhapsody. 557 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 2: Next up is The Twins, a really really fun episode 558 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 2: that really explores like the duality of the force through 559 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 2: twins twins Bread and Groom to harness the power of 560 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 2: the dark side. Guess what one of them decides that 561 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 2: they don't necessarily want to do that anymore, then you 562 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 2: get a fight. The cast is care was by Neil 563 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 2: Patrick Harris, I'm Alison Brie and B twenty n Jonathan Lippbow, 564 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 2: directed by Hiroyuki Imaishi. Justin Leitch, CEO of Cubic Pictures, 565 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 2: said at the Anime Light Expo of the Twins quote 566 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: subverts the idea of Luke and Lea and imagines a 567 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 2: brand new set of twins born into the dark Side 568 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: and how far the brother will go to save his sister. 569 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 2: Finally we saw a humanoid general, grievous, multi armed, Yes, 570 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: Sith with lightsabers. 571 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 3: That's all I want. 572 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, I love my dark side wife. Who I can 573 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 5: save her? I can fix her. 574 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 3: Uh, she's problematic, but she just give me time with her. 575 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, she's my problematic fave. We'll get a couple of therapy, 576 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 4: will fix here. 577 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 5: Us speaking like coming off that the Joseph Gordon Levitt 578 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 5: going for it, Alison Bree, you fucking went for it 579 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 5: in this as well, went for it hard like she was. 580 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 4: She went hard the. 581 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,719 Speaker 5: Motherfucking paint I think, I mean, this is the this 582 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 5: is of the ones that we were today, Like this 583 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,479 Speaker 5: is the one that is the most like bombastic anime 584 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 5: like that could only that could think things that could 585 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 5: only transpire in animation. That lends itself to this, Like 586 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 5: I just took jump straight to it, like my dude 587 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 5: making a hyper lightsaber out of a special crystal and 588 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 5: then jumping in front of an X wing and going 589 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,959 Speaker 5: through hyper speed to like cut a star story in half. 590 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 4: Is the most hype shit I've ever seen. 591 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 5: And also ship that could only get away with by 592 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 5: Studio Trigger, the production company that made this, when like 593 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 5: that's their bag, Like they do bombastic, hype ass hyperkinetic 594 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 5: animation and they completely get away with it. Now, if 595 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 5: I'm asking myself, why does the droid have a space 596 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 5: suit on? 597 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 4: At the end, I didn't even care. I was like, yeah, 598 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 4: I chalcol I chalk it them to the force. 599 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 3: I mean, why does like Cara have an X wing 600 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 3: like on an imperial ship? 601 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: None of it, It doesn't it doesn't matter, don't worry 602 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 2: about it. It's interesting because when I was I spent 603 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 2: all weekends just like reading histories of anime and there's 604 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 2: some really good economic papers about you know, just like 605 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: the movement of pop culture in the twenty first century, 606 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 2: and how anime is an example of a market that 607 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,959 Speaker 2: was the spread here in the United States is an 608 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 2: example of a market that was purely fan driven. Like 609 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: everybody who tried to make this happen on a popular 610 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 2: on it from an actual professional corporate level failed. 611 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 3: In numerous ways. 612 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 2: Either the Japanese studios couldn't find a partner that would 613 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,719 Speaker 2: honor their material, that wouldn't just like cut it up 614 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 2: and dub like wild shit over it, or they couldn't 615 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 2: find a distributor who understand what they were about. Similarly, meanwhile, 616 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,959 Speaker 2: the fans were just like, send these tapes over, we 617 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 2: will translate them on our own, and we will disperse 618 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 2: them on our own, and we will do that because 619 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: nobody is feeding this market. Literally, nobody else is doing this, 620 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 2: and it is super fascinating. And one of the things 621 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: that was driving this was that, to your point, there 622 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 2: was a level of bomb bast that was just not 623 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 2: seen in American slash western animation, which is. 624 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 3: Primarily for kids. 625 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 2: Like in Japan, the tradition is the manga tradition is 626 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 2: this is popular storytelling for everyone. 627 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 3: Like you see adults reading this. 628 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 2: Similarly with anime, there is no like age cutoff for 629 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: this shit like adult themes, incredible violence, like if you 630 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 2: want to know, you know, what's a short cut to 631 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 2: like universal storytelling, stylized violence, incredibly stylized violence in which 632 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: like like ships containing a million people get blown up 633 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: or cutted half. 634 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 3: You know that that is the shit you will see 635 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 3: in anime. 636 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 2: And that was the thing that really hooked people in 637 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: the late seventies and eighties because they were like, oh 638 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: my god, what the hell is this? 639 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like this. Yeah, and that was 640 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 3: what The Twins felt. 641 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 5: Like to me, yeah percent, because I was thinking of that, like, 642 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 5: you know, we would had like gi Jo's and Transformers, 643 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 5: which were like, yes, nothing really happen. It's like, you know, 644 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 5: there's no stakes to like what you're watching, Like there's 645 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 5: like a roadblock. I'm assuming that a character named rod 646 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 5: Block that sounds like a wrecker like whatever, Yeah, Roadblock's 647 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 5: not get gets leg blown off in episode one and 648 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 5: then have it not be their episode two. Like they're 649 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 5: just no stakes. But for this is like one is 650 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 5: like you also like everything is dialed up to fucking 651 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 5: twenty five, so like the emotions are super heightened, like 652 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 5: the like it's just like also it compacts everything down, 653 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 5: like you get the Lea in Luke story and like 654 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 5: was it like fifteen minutes? Like you get all that 655 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 5: compacted really to one sequence in like a fifteen minute. 656 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 5: Things like alreadily like you're you're fucking speeding through this 657 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 5: a one hundred miles per hours, like you're on edge, 658 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 5: and like you want to see how it plays out 659 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 5: because also the animation is so kinetic. 660 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 4: En diowed up to twenty five. 661 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, to your points. 662 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 2: As a fan of Gi Joe as a kid, it 663 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 2: used to annoy me so much that every time Gi 664 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 2: Joe and Cobra would get in like some scuffle since 665 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 2: you know, a big set piece battle. Yeah, at the 666 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: end of every episode, may be blowing up each other's jets, 667 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 2: big explosion as the jet gets shot down. You know, 668 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 2: the pilot wait a jet and you see the parachute 669 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 2: and they like gently drift to the ground. To let 670 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 2: all those kids watching at home, don't worry nobody. 671 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 3: This is a huge. 672 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 2: Battle between two multinational security forces. Uh and like a 673 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: wild high tech terrorist outfit. But actually nobody died in 674 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 2: any of these battles. Don't worry about it. 675 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 676 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 2: So you know I had anime COVID into my life 677 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: at that time, I would have been like. 678 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, you would have been scarred there. 679 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 5: I remember the first time I but the first AIME 680 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 5: I ever watched was the show called Robotech and like 681 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 5: there was a there was a show that was serialized 682 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 5: and like one of the main characters bites it like 683 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 5: episode eight, I'm like, wait a minute, is he going 684 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 5: to be here like next episode like no, he bleeds 685 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 5: to death in his hospital bits like he's gone. I 686 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 5: was like, oh wow, I'm not used to this. I'm 687 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 5: used to like Optimus Prime coming back the next Saturday 688 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 5: or whatever. 689 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: I mean, Like, you know, for for me, one of 690 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 2: the most scarring moments in Childhood Animation is Optimus Prime dying. 691 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 2: I was like, what how can you do this? How 692 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: dare you? 693 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 4: Yeah? 694 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 6: You know. 695 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, in in anime, people are dying, getting there, getting 696 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: cut in half like all the time. 697 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 3: And it mattered. 698 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't. 699 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 5: Also, they don't get graceful deaths, like they get fucking 700 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 5: murked by someone that they loved, you know, they get 701 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 5: killed in the phone booth and you're like, oh wow, 702 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 5: no dignity in this death. 703 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 2: Uh So when you watch Robotech, were you watching the 704 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 2: original Japanese Robotech or you know, watching the dubbed version. 705 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 5: Or I watched I was watching the Harmony gold dubs, 706 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 5: So like I'm a tunami stand like that's what that 707 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 5: fucking changed the game for me. I was like twelve 708 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,479 Speaker 5: or thirteen, and like that was the first like anime 709 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 5: I ever saw. I was like, oh wow, this is 710 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 5: one Like it had robots. 711 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:39,479 Speaker 4: I love robots. 712 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 5: But also it was the first show that I be 713 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 5: cognitiant of being like, oh, this is serialized, Like what 714 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 5: happens in episode one is going to affect episode twenty seven, 715 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 5: which is going to affect episode thirty two or whatever, 716 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 5: and like having those stakes happen. Also having like characters 717 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 5: that you attached to and then having them die was like, 718 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 5: oh wow, this is like this is this is real, 719 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 5: Like I've never seen that type of stuff and like 720 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 5: that's what fucking unlocked the gate to like the nerdom 721 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 5: that I currently find myself yelling about anime Star Wars 722 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 5: right now, one big snowball baby. 723 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 3: So, of these three, which is your favorite? And why? 724 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 8: Man? 725 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 3: It's the dual Tattooing Rhapsody and the Twins. 726 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 5: I you know, I think aesthetically I think aesthetically distilled 727 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 5: down the duel is what for me is like what 728 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 5: I think Star Wars is when it comes to like 729 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 5: the influences, the action, the the subtle stuff as far 730 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 5: as like you know, good bad and even having the 731 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 5: idea of like the gray like this. Also the Twins 732 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 5: covers the idea of like someone turning to the light, 733 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 5: like I love all that. Also it's in and out, 734 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 5: like you get a taste of like these worlds can 735 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 5: be whatever they want to, Like you said, we can 736 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 5: have feudal planet, we can have you know, we can 737 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 5: have rock garage, rock planet. 738 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 4: Like the Dual hits all that stuff. 739 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 5: And also you see all the love letters like your 740 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 5: Jimbo seven Samurai, Yeah, all those things is still down that. 741 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 5: I think the Duel just like really captures like it's 742 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 5: what It's the perfect pilot for what you need right 743 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 5: off the gate for this series. 744 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my favorite one as well, I think. 745 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 2: Then followed by the Twins. 746 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 3: You know, the Duel. 747 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 2: There is something perfect and circular about like closing that 748 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 2: loop and like uh acknowledging original influence of Kurosawa's pictures 749 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 2: on Star Wars, you know, famously Hidden Fortress. You know, 750 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 2: Lucas openly took a bunch of plot points from that 751 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 2: movie and used it to build up the early drafts 752 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 2: of Star Wars. Like at one point, the character that 753 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 2: became Darth Vader, was named General Akira. You know, there's 754 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff in there, and so acknowledging that 755 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 2: was super cool. And then just the textures and feel 756 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 2: of it, like taking animation, putting that like dirty film, 757 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 2: black and white, gray film, grain, but then having the 758 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 2: lightsabers have these pops of color, the laser beams be 759 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 2: these pops with blasters, be these pops of color. 760 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 4: The explosion on his wrist. 761 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 3: Like yeah, to call his to call his R two. 762 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 2: The way that it took like the archetypical essential story 763 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 2: beats of a Star Wars story, right, the battle between 764 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 2: good and evil. These lived in high tech, futuristic worlds 765 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 2: where you can imagine people just like working and going 766 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 2: about their day, incredible duel droids like all that shit 767 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 2: together in basically like under thirteen minutes. 768 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 3: I think it was just it was the perfect introduction. 769 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 2: And I think, you know, for me who is not 770 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 2: as versed an anime, there is so much Star Wars 771 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 2: there and it's so upfront with its influences that it 772 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 2: just you feel like it's like a great syllabus to 773 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 2: be like, I want to dive in further. 774 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 3: How do I get there. 775 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a great like cultural bridge. We're like, all right, 776 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 5: this is we're going to bring fans over to anime. 777 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 5: We're gona bing anime fans over to Star Wars and 778 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 5: like we can all have them populate and find some 779 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 5: more gems in both of those those mediums of storytelling. 780 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 2: People wanted to get into some of these The studios 781 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 2: that created these Kamakazi Duga Studio, Trigger, Twin Engine, do 782 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 2: you have like a some movies that they should check 783 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 2: out or some. 784 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, Studio Trigger Studio Trigger is one of the best 785 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 5: in the game. Like what what you saw for the 786 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 5: Twins is a great encapsulation of like their style when 787 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,359 Speaker 5: it comes to like character design and like action and 788 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 5: like also humor. I highly recommend Kill a Kill that 789 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,720 Speaker 5: was probably like one of the most well known first series. 790 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 5: I think it's on Netflix. All the seedents are on 791 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 5: there or Hulu, one of the two. And also feeling 792 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 5: for like a feature that they did pro Mayor I 793 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 5: think p R O M A R E. That's on 794 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 5: I believe Amazon. It's a It's a fantastic, fantastic feature 795 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 5: with like some amazing animation, uh and some crazy character designs. 796 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 5: That's also like that their style. If you notice, like 797 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 5: they don't do a lot of like borders for their stuff, 798 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 5: Like they'll have like outlines for characters, but a lot 799 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 5: of their like background is just like the paint. 800 00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 4: That's it. 801 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 5: You don't get any like bard R and stuff like. 802 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 5: That's a really cool film to see that through it 803 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 5: like a whole future. I highly recommend both of those. 804 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 3: This has been so fun. 805 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 2: I can't wait to have you back so we can 806 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 2: talk about the rest of the season. Up next, I 807 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 2: crack open the Omnibus. Welcome to another chapter in the 808 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 2: Omnibus where Laura, analysis and understanding come together. Today we 809 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 2: explore the life and work of director at Kira Kurosawa, 810 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 2: his influence on Star Wars and the globalization of anime, 811 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 2: which set the stage for Star Wars Visions, a series 812 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 2: that we are watching and talking about today. It makes 813 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 2: sense in all of this to start with The Hidden 814 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 2: Fortress director Akira kurosawa is nineteen fifty eight classic about 815 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 2: a mismatched pair of commoners who bumble their way into 816 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 2: a mission to rescue Wolf Princess from. 817 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 3: The upheaval of a civil war. 818 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,320 Speaker 2: Is the most famous example of the influence of Japanese 819 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 2: culture on Star Wars. Whenever the film comes up in conversation, 820 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 2: someone will mention, hey, George Lucas was inspired by that 821 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 2: to make Star Wars. Indeed, George Lucas's early scripts for 822 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 2: a New Hope hewed so closely to Fortresses that, according 823 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 2: to John Baxter and George Lucas a biography, the director 824 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 2: briefly considered purchasing the film's remake rights. 825 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 4: Quote. 826 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 3: Hidden Fortress was an influence on Star Wars right from 827 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 3: the very beginning, Lucas says in JW. Rinsler's The Making 828 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 3: of Star Wars. 829 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 2: Fortress is known as a Jedi jecki, a genre of 830 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 2: action adventure usually set during Japan's Edo period, which is 831 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 2: thought to be the phonic source of the word Jedi. 832 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 2: In the first draft of Star Wars, the villain who 833 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 2: became Darth Vader is named Akira Obi Wan Kenobi would 834 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 2: have hit different if the actor playing him was the 835 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 2: Hidden Fortresses star and frequent Kurosawa collaborator to Shira Mafuni 836 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 2: and Lucas explore the possibility of casting Maffuni before settling 837 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 2: on Alec Guinness, and of course, the Jedi themselves are 838 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 2: essentially space Samurai Akira Kurosawa casts a death star size 839 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 2: shadow over American popular culture and international cinema nineteen fifties. 840 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 2: Raschaman won the Golden Lion at the Venice Film Festival 841 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 2: and launched Kurosaw at a global acclaim. The movie occupies 842 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 2: an interesting cultural space. On the one hand, it's only 843 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 2: been officially remade once nineteen sixty four is The Outrage 844 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,240 Speaker 2: starring Paul Newman. On the other hand, since its release, 845 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 2: every story which has come out, every movie in which 846 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 2: a single event is examined from multiple points of view 847 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 2: owes something to Raschiman. Rachaman has since become a synonym 848 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 2: for the subjective nature of reality and the punchline for 849 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,280 Speaker 2: a very very funny joke on The Simpsons. Basically, Marge 850 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 2: is like, you liked Rashaman, and then Homer is like, no, 851 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,720 Speaker 2: I didn't, and then they remember this one situation very differently. 852 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 2: Cursawa's nineteen sixty one film Yo Jimbo and its sequel 853 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 2: Sinjuro introduced the trope of the mysterious protagonist, later popularised 854 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 2: by Clint Eastwood's character in Sergeio Leoni's A Fistful of 855 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,280 Speaker 2: Dollars trilogy. The Man with No Name would later influence 856 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 2: Logan's look and vibe in Frank Miller's four issue Wolverine 857 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 2: limited series. Another major influence on Star Wars Cursawa's nineteen 858 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 2: fifty four masterpiece The Seven Samurai is credited with creating 859 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 2: the team of specialists on a mission trope, which spawned 860 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 2: any number of movies and stories. 861 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 3: That you can imagine. 862 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 2: The Fast and the Furious, Marvels, The Avengers, The Ocean's Eleven, 863 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 2: The Remake, and almost every heist movie of the last 864 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 2: sixty years. 865 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 3: The Town. 866 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,799 Speaker 2: Akira Kurosawa was born in Tokyo in ninety ten to 867 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 2: a family descended from Samurai. The youngest of eight children, 868 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 2: Akira wanted to be a painter. His father, however, a 869 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 2: former military officer and physical education teacher, encouraged him towards 870 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 2: the cinema, which was just then emerging in Japan. In 871 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,240 Speaker 2: nineteen thirty five, Kurosawa answered an advertisement from PCL Studios 872 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 2: and was hired on as an assistant director the next year. 873 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 2: During this time, Japan was reaching the culmination of a 874 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 2: decades long program of rapid modernization in the late eighteen sixties, 875 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 2: Japan was a fractious collection of feuding states with a 876 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 2: weak military a pre modern agrarian economy hamstrung by extortionate 877 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 2: trade treaties forced on the country by Europe and the 878 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 2: United States. Fast forward in nineteen twelve, and Japan has 879 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 2: a strong central bureaucracy governing the country, which enjoyed a 880 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,320 Speaker 2: burgeoning industrial based a highly educated population zipped around the 881 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 2: country in a modern railway system. Once preyed upon by 882 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 2: colonial powers, Japan, behind its modern army and navy, had 883 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 2: itself become a colonizer after prying the Korean Peninsula away 884 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 2: from China in eighteen ninety five. The lasting effects of 885 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 2: that continued to this day. When Russia, one of the 886 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,400 Speaker 2: so called great powers of the era, began encroaching on 887 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 2: Japan's Korean holdings. Japan in nineteen oh four launched a 888 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,359 Speaker 2: surprise attack on the Tsar's fleet, sparking the Russo Japanese War. 889 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 2: Japan's defeat of Russia, it's fair to say, shocked the 890 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 2: world and elevated Japan to a first world power. And 891 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 2: it is really hard to fathom from a American perspective 892 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,439 Speaker 2: what the effect of this rapid tectonic change had on 893 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 2: Japan and its culture. In the Asian influence on Hollywood 894 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 2: action films, Barnard William Donovan writes of this period, quote, 895 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 2: Japanese society, founded on centuries of reverence for tradition and 896 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,760 Speaker 2: a very powerful sense of cultural identity, would now begin 897 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 2: to struggle with the question of how modernization, industrial development, 898 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,279 Speaker 2: foreign contact, and the need to attain the status of 899 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 2: a global power could at the same time remain compatible 900 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,840 Speaker 2: with their insular, traditional japaneseeness. Krisawa's career as a director 901 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 2: took place during and immediately after World War Two. Under 902 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 2: Japan's wartime censorship regime, films were, as Leonard Epp describes 903 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,720 Speaker 2: in The Oxonian Review quote anti western and preferred representations 904 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 2: of devoted and unindividuated workers who were subordinate at least 905 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 2: to a social goal, if not also to received and 906 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 2: semi feudalistic notion of an authentic Japan, which was under 907 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 2: attack from Western influences end quote. During the American occupation, 908 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 2: the Americans put in their own censorship regime, and in 909 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 2: addition to managing what American and European movies could be 910 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,800 Speaker 2: shown in Japan. During this time, Alfred Hitchcock's Lifeboat, for instance, 911 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 2: was denied because it depicted a Nazi captain briefly in 912 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 2: control of the fate of the lifeboat's passengers. Nineteen forty five, 913 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 2: As of Metal for Benny was not allowed to be 914 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 2: shown due to the film celebration of the protagonist's killing 915 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,720 Speaker 2: of numerous Japanese soldiers during wartime, probably a good idea, 916 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 2: the bureaucracy demanded that domestically produced films break with Japan's 917 00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 2: feudal past and should criticize Japan's wartime actions a cure. 918 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 2: Kurosawa's nineteen forty five film They Who Tread On the 919 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 2: Tiger's Trail was denied release because it was set in 920 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 2: twelfth century feudal Japan and promoted Japanese feudal values. It 921 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,720 Speaker 2: was released later in nineteen fifty two after the Treaty 922 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,920 Speaker 2: of San Francisco, which reinstated peaceful relations between Japan and 923 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 2: the United States and ended the American occupation. But by then, 924 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,879 Speaker 2: of course, Rashaman had won Kurrosawa international recognition and set 925 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 2: his career on a path towards the most rarefied levels 926 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 2: of influence, respect and a claim that an artist can reach. 927 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 2: It is ironic, then, that Kurasawa's reputation in his home 928 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 2: country at the time and now is decidedly mixed. In 929 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 2: the early nineteen seventies, new wave Japanese directors reacted against 930 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,919 Speaker 2: Kurrosawa's reputation and his perceived cinematic authority rights Leonard Epp 931 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,320 Speaker 2: in The Oxonian Review. They rebelled against what they saw 932 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,439 Speaker 2: as an American style which was overly individualistic and too 933 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 2: directly influenced by Westerns in the style of John Ford 934 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 2: end quote. Kurrasawa was always open about his admiration for 935 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,400 Speaker 2: American films and Western literature, and most notably the work 936 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 2: of director John Ford. This, along with ironically his acclaim 937 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 2: in the US, was used against Kirosawa by his critics 938 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 2: and contemporaries, who derided his work as old fashioned, elitist, arrogant, 939 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,280 Speaker 2: and shaped by the biases of a Western audience, pandering 940 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:32,399 Speaker 2: two American audiences. Essentially, by the nineteen sixties, Kirosawa found 941 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 2: himself at a step in Japan, but with the standing 942 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 2: of an auteur in Hollywood. In nineteen sixty six, Twenty 943 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 2: Century Fox hired him to direct The World War II 944 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 2: epic to Tora about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. 945 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 2: After working on the script for two years, Korrosawa was 946 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 2: either fired or resigned two weeks into shooting. The rumor 947 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 2: has it that he was too authoritarian with his American actors. 948 00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 2: If that's the case, there was surely some kind of 949 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 2: like culture misunderstanding there as well. That said, I think 950 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 2: it's fair to say, if you read anything about Krosawa 951 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,200 Speaker 2: that he was quite imperious with the people he worked with. 952 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 2: Let's put it that way. I think it's fair to 953 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 2: call him arrogant. In nineteen seventy Do des Kaden, Krissawa's 954 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,239 Speaker 2: first color film, was savaged by Japanese critics, and it 955 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,279 Speaker 2: later flopped at the box office. Krosawa fell into a 956 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 2: deep depression and in nineteen seventy one attempted suicide. In 957 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 2: the last decades of his career, the filmmaker would find 958 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:36,040 Speaker 2: it impossible to finance his projects in Japan. George Lucas, Coppola, 959 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,879 Speaker 2: and Spielberg used their clout with American studios to raise 960 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,359 Speaker 2: funds for Kagamusha in nineteen eighty Ran nineteen eighty five, 961 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 2: and Dreams in nineteen ninety, writes Barno William Donovan, Kirosawa's 962 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 2: dip in fortunes was ironically in part of failure to 963 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,239 Speaker 2: react to the rise of television in Japan. Japanese film 964 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 2: studios never recovered from the shock of television. While younger 965 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 2: directors adapted to the new age by making cheaper films 966 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 2: are working for television, Kurrosawa refused. Ian Buruma wrote in 967 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,240 Speaker 2: a nineteen eighty nine article about Kurrosawa, Japanese television's ascent 968 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 2: was fueled ironically in part by the domestic audience's hunger 969 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:18,759 Speaker 2: for a new form of entertainment anime. The transnational pathways 970 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,840 Speaker 2: of globalization that led us to Star Wars visions just 971 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 2: wander off and really really unexpected directions when you dig 972 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:31,240 Speaker 2: into it. In the nineteen seventies, new consumer products invented 973 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,239 Speaker 2: and mass produced in Japan, notably the Walkman, but in 974 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:41,120 Speaker 2: particular for our purposes, the Betamax, and most influentially, the VCR, 975 00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 2: the video cassette recorder, made culture portable in a way 976 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 2: that was simply impossible previously. Americans in Japan, many of 977 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 2: whom were members of the military based in the country, 978 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 2: began recording Japanese broadcasts of shows like Ashraboy and Starblazers 979 00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,480 Speaker 2: off Japanese television and sent the tapes back to the States. 980 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,840 Speaker 2: In May nineteen seventy seven, several Los Angeles area anime 981 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:10,480 Speaker 2: enthusiasts founded the Cartoon Fantasy Organization CFO, the first anime 982 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,680 Speaker 2: fan club, and the organization quickly spread. The Cartoon Fantasy 983 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,240 Speaker 2: Organization will meet from ten thirty am to five thirty 984 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,320 Speaker 2: pm today behind the Bank of the Hills on Research. 985 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,680 Speaker 2: Features will include Grandizer, Danguard, Danguard, Ace, Space Ketters, Starvengers, 986 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,920 Speaker 2: Brave Raiding, and Astro Boy. The group meets on the 987 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,520 Speaker 2: second Saturday of each month. End Quote reads an event 988 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 2: posting in the September twelfth, nineteen eighty one issue of 989 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,239 Speaker 2: the Austin American Statesman. The October twelfth, nineteen eighty four 990 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,120 Speaker 2: edition of the Philadelphia in Choir ran a bemused coverage 991 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 2: of the Philadelphia chapter of the cfo's second anniversary meet up. 992 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,520 Speaker 2: Quote a little unusual as CFO is, but definitely original. 993 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,719 Speaker 2: While other Philadelphians are cruising Saturday night hotspots trying to 994 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,839 Speaker 2: look like Michael Jackson or Prince, the club's members are 995 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,720 Speaker 2: searching for artistic and creative merit in and science fiction 996 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,200 Speaker 2: shows that the rest of the world might find terribly strange. 997 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 2: That's nineteen eighty four, folks. A rather good profile of 998 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,640 Speaker 2: the CFO appears in the November nineteenth, nineteen eighty seven 999 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,200 Speaker 2: edition of the Chicago Tribune, which states that the CFO 1000 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,160 Speaker 2: at the time had thirty chapters with several thousand members 1001 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,160 Speaker 2: in Chicago, Denver, Dallas, Houston, San Francisco, and other cities. 1002 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,360 Speaker 2: In a two thousand and four paper, Progress Against the 1003 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,280 Speaker 2: Law about the spread of anime in the US, cultural 1004 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,680 Speaker 2: globalization and copyright theft, which I'd urge you to read 1005 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,440 Speaker 2: if you want a great history of anime up to 1006 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,240 Speaker 2: the mid two thousands, MIT Sean Leonard writes that anime 1007 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:43,879 Speaker 2: fan distribution networks quote represented prostalyization commons or spaces where 1008 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,040 Speaker 2: media and ideas could be freely exchanged INWD to advance 1009 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,080 Speaker 2: a directed cause, which I think is a good description 1010 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:54,120 Speaker 2: of the Internet. In twenty twenty one, an examination of 1011 00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:59,239 Speaker 2: Japanese and American popular culture across pollenization reveals these dizzying 1012 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 2: meta textures details that surrounds It's not often clear who 1013 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,319 Speaker 2: pollinated whom Up Next? Alisha Lutz joins us for the 1014 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:24,399 Speaker 2: Hive Mind Welcome to the Hive Mind, where we dive 1015 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,120 Speaker 2: deeper into a particular topic with the help of a 1016 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,840 Speaker 2: guest panelist. On today's episode, Actually Vision is happy to 1017 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,319 Speaker 2: welcome writer Alisha Lutz. You can find her most recent 1018 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,400 Speaker 2: article on Vulture, which features an interview with Ted Lasso's 1019 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,120 Speaker 2: Phil Dunster. 1020 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,560 Speaker 3: Alicia, Welcome, Thank you so much for having me. Jason, 1021 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:42,280 Speaker 3: it's a thrill. 1022 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,279 Speaker 2: Let's talk about with the release of Star Wars Visions, 1023 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,960 Speaker 2: it's worth unpacking the role that the movies now play 1024 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:58,360 Speaker 2: in the overall firmament of the Star Wars universe. I 1025 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,400 Speaker 2: guess we could boil that time down to does it 1026 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,040 Speaker 2: matter if the Star Wars movies suck or not? The 1027 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,920 Speaker 2: most recent trilogy, I think the general contensus it was disappointing. 1028 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,719 Speaker 2: But it feels like with Star Wars Visions, with the Mandalorian, 1029 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,359 Speaker 2: with all the various Disney Plus shows that are coming out, 1030 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,720 Speaker 2: with Star Wars Rebels, with the finale of Clone Wars, 1031 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,240 Speaker 2: it kind of doesn't matter because we have so much stuff. 1032 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,399 Speaker 2: Let's talk about it, Alicia, start with you. Does it 1033 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,920 Speaker 2: like where do you think what is the role of 1034 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:34,640 Speaker 2: the Star Wars movies now with all this other Star 1035 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:35,719 Speaker 2: Wars content. 1036 00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 3: That is out there. Well, you know, it's interesting because 1037 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:39,279 Speaker 3: I think that. 1038 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,799 Speaker 6: Lucasfilm and Star Wars thought really big, but they got 1039 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,120 Speaker 6: themselves stuck in a trap by sort of repeating old 1040 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,320 Speaker 6: patterns and thinking that they're getting. 1041 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:50,760 Speaker 3: It's a trap. 1042 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 2: Sorry, I I know, I thought about not doing it, 1043 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,239 Speaker 2: but then I felt everybody listening to this doing it, 1044 00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:59,040 Speaker 2: so that I had to do. 1045 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,520 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, continue, you know what, It's fair, It's absolutely fair. 1046 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,600 Speaker 6: But yeah, no, I think that it's just they set 1047 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:12,480 Speaker 6: themselves up for failure with the most recent trilogy, although 1048 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,400 Speaker 6: I am somebody who does like a lot of what 1049 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,400 Speaker 6: was being presented in The Last Jedi, even though that 1050 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,920 Speaker 6: there's very constructive and valid reasons why some of the 1051 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,120 Speaker 6: things in that film didn't work. But what I think 1052 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,040 Speaker 6: Ryan Johnson was trying to get at in that was 1053 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,560 Speaker 6: that the Force belongs to everyone. And I think that 1054 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,160 Speaker 6: we're getting to see that in Star Wars Visions, and 1055 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,399 Speaker 6: we're getting to see that in you know, Clone Wars 1056 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,320 Speaker 6: and Rebels, and you get to see these other parts 1057 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,440 Speaker 6: of the universe that have so many different stories to tell, 1058 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:49,640 Speaker 6: and it's just such a deliciously verdant breeding ground for 1059 00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,200 Speaker 6: all of the different types of stories that can be 1060 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,240 Speaker 6: told in this vast universe. 1061 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,520 Speaker 3: Like it's galaxies, it's not just one family just doing 1062 00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 3: the thing over and over again, you know. 1063 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was Karl Marx who said that 1064 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,359 Speaker 2: we must seize the means of producing the kyber crystals 1065 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,719 Speaker 2: and socialize the force for everyone. Yeah, I like, you know, 1066 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,480 Speaker 2: I feel the same way about the about the the 1067 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,640 Speaker 2: most recent trilogy, and that there's like a lot of 1068 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,400 Speaker 2: stuff to admire. Honestly, in all the three moves to 1069 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,759 Speaker 2: the Last Year is my favorite of those. There was 1070 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,640 Speaker 2: good stuff in all of them, but on the whole 1071 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,160 Speaker 2: it felt a little bit like movie making Bike Committee. 1072 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:35,239 Speaker 2: Whereas the Mandalorian Rebels and now Star Wars visions there 1073 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 2: is a reason behind them existing and there's something that. 1074 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,239 Speaker 3: They are saying, Oh totally, zig, what do you what is? 1075 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,320 Speaker 2: What are your thoughts about like where the movies stand 1076 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,040 Speaker 2: in the in the current content offerings. 1077 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,640 Speaker 5: I mean, both of all are spitting straight facts right now. 1078 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,440 Speaker 5: I think that one is having just just telling Jason, 1079 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,960 Speaker 5: I had just rewatched all the movies in chronological order, 1080 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,320 Speaker 5: because I'm very unimp at the moment. So my my 1081 00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,279 Speaker 5: big takeaway rewatching the first the Newest trilogies is that 1082 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,120 Speaker 5: like there's not a lot of fun in them. Like 1083 00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,960 Speaker 5: the first like Stars and Star Wars Awakens is like 1084 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,080 Speaker 5: the most fun. We're like, oh, we got wacky jokes 1085 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,200 Speaker 5: and stuff. But like even watch the original trilogy, like 1086 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,160 Speaker 5: it's it's it's like a watching it. I mean, it's 1087 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,560 Speaker 5: obviously made for kids, and like that's something that like 1088 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,560 Speaker 5: sort of perminates about all of them. But like the 1089 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,240 Speaker 5: Newest trilogy where like you know, you're you're you're wristling 1090 00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,400 Speaker 5: with like the light and dark stuff, which is interesting, 1091 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,960 Speaker 5: but like it's also like so heavy, and like the second, 1092 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,600 Speaker 5: like the whole third act of like the first one 1093 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,080 Speaker 5: is just like so not fun. Like so like there's 1094 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,279 Speaker 5: this whole like mystery box stuff, which like you know, 1095 00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,040 Speaker 5: I'm not a big fan of that in general, Like 1096 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,840 Speaker 5: there's no real mystery and the original it's like you 1097 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,759 Speaker 5: don't wonder who Luke's parents are, Like you don't care. 1098 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:43,799 Speaker 4: You're like, oh, this is a kid. 1099 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,920 Speaker 5: He went, he goes on an adventure, he meets some 1100 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,839 Speaker 5: weird people and like that's his thing, Like I don't 1101 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,880 Speaker 5: I don't care about how the person got there, and 1102 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,200 Speaker 5: like speaking to your point about like you have this 1103 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,279 Speaker 5: enormous galaxy, which I think the TV shows really tap into, 1104 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:56,799 Speaker 5: Like you get to see what happens with like the 1105 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,560 Speaker 5: squad of like the Bad Troopers, so you can see 1106 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,400 Speaker 5: what the Mandalorian does, or you can see like what 1107 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,719 Speaker 5: Ahsoka is doing up up to but like this, it 1108 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,839 Speaker 5: seems the movies seem so contained because it's just two bloodlines, 1109 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,359 Speaker 5: and like the whole thesis for the Last Jedi, which 1110 00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,399 Speaker 5: I really enjoyed, was that like who gives a shit, 1111 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,280 Speaker 5: throw out the good the bad, this like it's about 1112 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,759 Speaker 5: starting something over with and like I really enjoyed that, 1113 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:18,960 Speaker 5: and I felt it was a little bit of an 1114 00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,239 Speaker 5: undercut at the end when like the first the kid 1115 00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,040 Speaker 5: that we see that gets powers is like another white kid. 1116 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,040 Speaker 4: You're like I've seen. 1117 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,319 Speaker 5: That movies, Like yeah, it's like there's like a there's 1118 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,239 Speaker 5: like a there's like a black kid like right there, 1119 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:29,600 Speaker 5: give it to them, Like there's like a little brown 1120 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,919 Speaker 5: girl like give that to them. And like the course 1121 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,279 Speaker 5: correction in like the last the last of three was 1122 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,799 Speaker 5: just like, yeah, maybe maybe the films could be sort 1123 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,480 Speaker 5: of a thing where they make these big tents, they 1124 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,239 Speaker 5: set up like more stuff for the world, so like 1125 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:42,680 Speaker 5: it's a big well and they can go back to 1126 00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,680 Speaker 5: like all right, we need to establish that there's like 1127 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,200 Speaker 5: the final order or whatever, like all right, we'll set 1128 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,839 Speaker 5: this up in one movie and then like we can 1129 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,920 Speaker 5: just have that permeate through like the TV shows if 1130 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,600 Speaker 5: they want to go to that and like tap into 1131 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,759 Speaker 5: these certain things. Like I think maybe doing standalone is 1132 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,919 Speaker 5: the is the maybe the move like where one was great, 1133 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,880 Speaker 5: Solo was was fantastic. In my opinion, I think having small, 1134 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,919 Speaker 5: self contained stories might be the move going forward because 1135 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,440 Speaker 5: also like trilogies are just sort of a going going 1136 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,960 Speaker 5: out of the way, like you know, besides mar of 1137 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,160 Speaker 5: like I don't know ive trilogies is like. 1138 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,920 Speaker 4: The move for like features at this point. 1139 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 2: Story, Yeah, Rogue one is my favorite, and I think 1140 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:23,880 Speaker 2: part of that is because it is a different angle 1141 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 2: on the story that you know, it's filling in one, 1142 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,280 Speaker 2: it's answering a story which was like how do they 1143 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,720 Speaker 2: get these plans? You know, ever since uh, you know, 1144 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,920 Speaker 2: you heard about the spy mission to acquire the plans, 1145 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,520 Speaker 2: You're like, oh, how did this happen? So now you 1146 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,640 Speaker 2: get that, which was so cool. And also it just 1147 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,480 Speaker 2: wasn't based. It is no more Skywalkers, like it wasn't. 1148 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,120 Speaker 2: These were like all new people, and you really felt 1149 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:53,480 Speaker 2: it when they died. It's interesting because the fact that 1150 00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,480 Speaker 2: there that Clone Wars exist, that Rebels exist, kind of 1151 00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,840 Speaker 2: for me at least softened the blow of the disappointment of, 1152 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,760 Speaker 2: you know, the new trilogy. The fact that it wasn't 1153 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:10,400 Speaker 2: that great didn't leave me crushed in the same way 1154 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,880 Speaker 2: that the prequels when they when the first. 1155 00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,080 Speaker 3: You know, when oh the Prequels came out and it 1156 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,120 Speaker 3: was like what the fuck was that? 1157 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,000 Speaker 2: It really like hurt me because I was like, now 1158 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:28,840 Speaker 2: it's like, it's unclear that novelization stuff is even canon anymore, 1159 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,120 Speaker 2: and now this kind of sucked, like what are we 1160 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,280 Speaker 2: gonna do? And it wasn't until Clone Wars kind of 1161 00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,280 Speaker 2: got going years later that all of that stuff got 1162 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:42,560 Speaker 2: recontextualized and became kind of cool. But this makes it, 1163 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,640 Speaker 2: This makes it so that not everything hangs on the 1164 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,600 Speaker 2: movies just being good. I would I do wonder you 1165 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,840 Speaker 2: mentioned Marvel like I wonder if I wonder if they 1166 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,160 Speaker 2: they go for a kind of like Marvel architecture in 1167 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:56,960 Speaker 2: that they have these kind of like one shots. 1168 00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,120 Speaker 3: We're exploring the universe. 1169 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,440 Speaker 2: Let's go over here and check out what these rebels 1170 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,920 Speaker 2: are doing over here, Let's see what these this spy 1171 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,560 Speaker 2: faction is doing over here. Let's just go off and 1172 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,120 Speaker 2: check out a weird world. And then, much like the 1173 00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,720 Speaker 2: Marvel movies, there's some kind of thing that teems them 1174 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,320 Speaker 2: all up in a later movie, and then and that 1175 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,080 Speaker 2: breaks you out of like this kind of like trilogy architecture, 1176 00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,280 Speaker 2: which yes, Star Wars kind of like pioneered, but is 1177 00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,080 Speaker 2: feels like old movie thinking. 1178 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,440 Speaker 6: It's so stale now to do sort of like this. 1179 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,840 Speaker 6: It's very expected to do a trilogy or a quadrilogy 1180 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:36,600 Speaker 6: or you know, to do these big sort of sequelized stories. 1181 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,760 Speaker 6: But I think that because of the just the financial 1182 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,080 Speaker 6: pressure on a business standpoint of what it takes to 1183 00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,720 Speaker 6: make those movies happen, it makes so much. 1184 00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:49,160 Speaker 3: More sense to have your sort of. 1185 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,800 Speaker 6: Area of exploration and play be on television, be in 1186 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,640 Speaker 6: these little stories. And I mean we got to see, 1187 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,919 Speaker 6: especially in Visions, just the what happens when you let 1188 01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:06,400 Speaker 6: people do what they're good at and really like let 1189 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,200 Speaker 6: them just play and have fun and tackle some of 1190 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,600 Speaker 6: the themes that Star Wars does so well, but in 1191 01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,320 Speaker 6: a completely different from a completely different perspective. I think 1192 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:22,200 Speaker 6: it's just it's what it's what this universe needs. 1193 01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, and even the speaking of that, like the cultural 1194 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,320 Speaker 5: half life is so much longer when like you're releasing 1195 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,720 Speaker 5: an episode every week like YEP eight for two months 1196 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,760 Speaker 5: to two and a half months, everyone talked, Everyone talked 1197 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:33,640 Speaker 5: about was baby Yoda. 1198 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 4: That's all that they talked about. I was, I was. 1199 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,919 Speaker 5: I was up there with the bill horn yelling about 1200 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,320 Speaker 5: how much I would die for this little puppet. It 1201 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,440 Speaker 5: was like what the movie comes out, you know, you 1202 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,040 Speaker 5: have really two to four weeks of like all right, yo, 1203 01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,560 Speaker 5: did you see the new Star Wars whatever? 1204 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:48,600 Speaker 4: And then it's like just dead. 1205 01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,560 Speaker 5: But with having this like recurring thing coming out also, 1206 01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,440 Speaker 5: you're stacking that so like you'll have Mandela, and you'll 1207 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,400 Speaker 5: have the bad Batch, you'll have whatever coming out. Like 1208 01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,800 Speaker 5: it just stays in the cultural zeitgeist so much longer 1209 01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,520 Speaker 5: than just a film which comes out and then it's 1210 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:00,640 Speaker 5: gone in less than a month. 1211 01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,360 Speaker 4: Unless it's like you know, endgame or whatever. 1212 01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:03,880 Speaker 3: That's a great point. 1213 01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:05,880 Speaker 2: I was working at the Ringer at the time that 1214 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,439 Speaker 2: the first Mandalorian season came out, and people who don't 1215 01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,919 Speaker 2: care about Star Wars, don't give a shit about sci 1216 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,240 Speaker 2: fi or fantasy that worked. There would be like when 1217 01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,080 Speaker 2: the subject of baby Yoda came up, like there was 1218 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,680 Speaker 2: a it was like. 1219 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,080 Speaker 3: You could feel the energy change in the room. 1220 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:28,400 Speaker 2: Like my former editor Chris Ryan, like his wife was like, 1221 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,280 Speaker 2: if you get a chance to see baby Yoda, to 1222 01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,560 Speaker 2: meet Baby Yoda, to go and see the prop, like 1223 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,240 Speaker 2: you have to take me not a person who like 1224 01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,200 Speaker 2: cares about side. And that was like the vibe. There 1225 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,800 Speaker 2: were people who were just like, listen, if Baby Yoda 1226 01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,360 Speaker 2: is coming by the office, or if anybody gets to 1227 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,000 Speaker 2: go see Babyoda, please tell me because I want to 1228 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,120 Speaker 2: go see Baby Yoda. 1229 01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:48,520 Speaker 4: Like that. 1230 01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,840 Speaker 3: I have not experienced something like that in a while, 1231 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,720 Speaker 3: where it was just like this little. 1232 01:01:54,640 --> 01:02:00,000 Speaker 2: Prop doll baby and a matronic rogu baby fifty years 1233 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:04,840 Speaker 2: old child, just like it was something that so many 1234 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,040 Speaker 2: people needed And yeah, that was not that was not 1235 01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,440 Speaker 2: that's not a thing that could have really happened in 1236 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:11,040 Speaker 2: a movie. 1237 01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,280 Speaker 6: Koa totally and like I also think the pandemic and 1238 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,280 Speaker 6: it all probably played into that a little bit. 1239 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,320 Speaker 3: We were all looking for some joy, but. 1240 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,880 Speaker 6: Like, yeah, again it was it was taking something that 1241 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,440 Speaker 6: we are very familiar with, you know, Yoda, and just 1242 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,400 Speaker 6: flipping it on its head just a little. 1243 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,800 Speaker 3: Bit, no Bay, and all of a sudden we're all. 1244 01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:37,440 Speaker 6: Were hurtzalg and we're all like, let me see the baby, 1245 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,120 Speaker 6: let me see the baby. 1246 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,200 Speaker 9: When I saw him for the first time, I said, John, 1247 01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:53,240 Speaker 9: do you understand what you have done? For the first time, 1248 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,680 Speaker 9: you have captured the energy that was originally put into 1249 01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,800 Speaker 9: the world by the depictions of the Madonna and child, 1250 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,280 Speaker 9: the Messiah John. 1251 01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,240 Speaker 4: Sevral chaos raids. John. 1252 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so cool and I want to acknowledge 1253 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,360 Speaker 2: something to Zigwert and I were talking about this, like 1254 01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,000 Speaker 2: when we were getting the Zoom started up. Okay, the 1255 01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,280 Speaker 2: movies the latest trilogy. 1256 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:22,040 Speaker 3: Was a disappointment. 1257 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,000 Speaker 2: That said, we also grade this stuff on a different scale, 1258 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,920 Speaker 2: which I think is a huge strength for the TV offerings, 1259 01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:35,520 Speaker 2: Right like Kathleen Kennedy JJ Aram's Ettal got to make 1260 01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,920 Speaker 2: three movies and we judge them on those three movies. 1261 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:43,280 Speaker 2: On the TV side, it's like Clone Wars, which spanned 1262 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,640 Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty three episodes, and some of those. 1263 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:47,600 Speaker 3: Suck, but we don't care. 1264 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:49,760 Speaker 2: You're never going to talk about the fact that some 1265 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,640 Speaker 2: of those I didn't watch Resistance, I watched some of it, 1266 01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:53,440 Speaker 2: it wasn't for me. 1267 01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:54,960 Speaker 3: I love Rebels. 1268 01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,440 Speaker 2: But like the fact that on the TV side they 1269 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,880 Speaker 2: get all of these they get all these chances to 1270 01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:06,400 Speaker 2: tell a story. And you know what if three episodes here, 1271 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,439 Speaker 2: four episodes there are two episode arc here doesn't hit, 1272 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,320 Speaker 2: we don't. We don't fucking give a shit. But if 1273 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,760 Speaker 2: the movie suck, you're gonna hear about it. So there 1274 01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:20,520 Speaker 2: is an inherent there's a different way that we talk 1275 01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,280 Speaker 2: about these properties. And it's a little bit unfair for 1276 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,960 Speaker 2: for JJ and Kathleen because you know, they only got 1277 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,000 Speaker 2: those three chances where I was on the TV side, 1278 01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,600 Speaker 2: they got dozens and dozens and dozens of chances over 1279 01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,960 Speaker 2: multiple seasons to get it right or get yeah. 1280 01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,960 Speaker 6: I mean, I will say it would have been nice 1281 01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,040 Speaker 6: if JJ and everybody decided to have a plan when 1282 01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,640 Speaker 6: they made those three movies rather than just I go 1283 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,800 Speaker 6: in a little willy nilly with it, because on TV 1284 01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,120 Speaker 6: they play you plan a lot I feel like they 1285 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:50,760 Speaker 6: had one. 1286 01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:55,760 Speaker 2: But again, you can feel the filmmaking by committee in those. 1287 01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:57,040 Speaker 3: You can feel like you. 1288 01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:03,160 Speaker 2: Can feel that they're you know, somebody, some executive somewhere 1289 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,760 Speaker 2: was like, there's not enough kids with the force in here. 1290 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,680 Speaker 2: Can't one of these stable hands that have the Force 1291 01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,000 Speaker 2: or something? And they're like, oh shit, now we got 1292 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,320 Speaker 2: to rewrite. But and you had to address it. But 1293 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,960 Speaker 2: you felt and honestly the right you know, the last 1294 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,040 Speaker 2: Jedi feels the least of that, but you feel it 1295 01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,240 Speaker 2: in all of them where it's like there's stuff in 1296 01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:26,800 Speaker 2: Rise of Skywalker where you like where it hooks up 1297 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,160 Speaker 2: to nothing else. It's just like a snippet that happens. 1298 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:34,120 Speaker 5: It's like that, like, yeah, we got to give fan 1299 01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,800 Speaker 5: a love interest because we can't. You can't date a 1300 01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,720 Speaker 5: black person, can't date a white lady in the future 1301 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:39,440 Speaker 5: in space. 1302 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:46,000 Speaker 2: Like, so, what are the futures of the movies? Like, 1303 01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,360 Speaker 2: one thing that is for sure is that people at 1304 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,160 Speaker 2: Disney are smart. 1305 01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:51,880 Speaker 3: They may have made three. 1306 01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,800 Speaker 2: Like disappointing movies, but these are people who think about 1307 01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,120 Speaker 2: this ship all the time, Like, so, how do y'all think. 1308 01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,520 Speaker 3: They'll recalibrate in the future? 1309 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:04,200 Speaker 2: And how will they approach movies now to work in 1310 01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:08,160 Speaker 2: conjunction with this burgeoning slate of TV offerings plus the comics, 1311 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:09,000 Speaker 2: plus the books, etc. 1312 01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:10,080 Speaker 3: You know. 1313 01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:14,959 Speaker 6: I think that they're going to really use sort of 1314 01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,480 Speaker 6: this space that they're creating with television to get a 1315 01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:22,560 Speaker 6: feel for what people are really responding to and really 1316 01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:28,520 Speaker 6: start to understand that storytelling is changing and the way 1317 01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,240 Speaker 6: we tell stories people want more from them. And I 1318 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,400 Speaker 6: think that this is going to be a real opportunity 1319 01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,040 Speaker 6: for them to sort of sit back and like take 1320 01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,560 Speaker 6: a beat and take a breath and not necessarily have 1321 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:43,280 Speaker 6: to put out a movie every single year and all 1322 01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,520 Speaker 6: the have all of those expectations sort of rolled into it. 1323 01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:47,720 Speaker 3: They're going to be able to. 1324 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:53,680 Speaker 6: Really let the creation of new lore sort of simmer 1325 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,880 Speaker 6: in itself and see what people are really responding to 1326 01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,400 Speaker 6: and what really resonates with what's going on cult truly. 1327 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,120 Speaker 6: So I think it's really important because this trilogy that 1328 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,920 Speaker 6: we just saw it comes from a different culture, like, 1329 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,720 Speaker 6: it comes from a different desire for what movies are 1330 01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,360 Speaker 6: and what movies should be, and it was just too 1331 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,440 Speaker 6: much of a reflection of what we've seen in the past, 1332 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:20,160 Speaker 6: and we're moving so much farther ahead in how we 1333 01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,080 Speaker 6: tell stories and the types of stories that we want 1334 01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,640 Speaker 6: to tell. And I think that TV gives them a 1335 01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:32,000 Speaker 6: much greater space of experimentation that I think they'll be 1336 01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:35,080 Speaker 6: able to then sort of let things rise to the 1337 01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,360 Speaker 6: top and really explore that in a big budget way. 1338 01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, just especially that last part about the 1339 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,439 Speaker 5: idea of experimentation, Like that's where they can test things 1340 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,480 Speaker 5: out and see what sticks, you know, like like introducing 1341 01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,479 Speaker 5: the idea of like force healing in the Mandalorian before 1342 01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,360 Speaker 5: it went to the big screens, Like I mean Star Wars. 1343 01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,360 Speaker 4: I mean, all fans are bad. Fantom is bad in general, 1344 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:55,080 Speaker 4: but like you know, Star. 1345 01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:59,240 Speaker 5: Wars fans hate when you introduce a new power that 1346 01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,160 Speaker 5: comes out of nowhere. But when you think about it, 1347 01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,040 Speaker 5: like they like there was no tea up for like 1348 01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:12,640 Speaker 5: force lightning, like propatites, like does that ship and yeah help, yeah, yeah, 1349 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,760 Speaker 5: somehow he came back and he can do force lighting. 1350 01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,519 Speaker 4: But like you know, like that tea that. 1351 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,680 Speaker 5: Like Gorgo does that in the minimal rate and then 1352 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,080 Speaker 5: like Raid does, Like that's a running theme throughout you know, 1353 01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,479 Speaker 5: the Rise of Skywalkers. Like I think that teeing stuff 1354 01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,120 Speaker 5: up that like maybe just get like a little a 1355 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,040 Speaker 5: little nugget of like, oh, this is a force power, 1356 01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,160 Speaker 5: like this is like a thing of the universe that 1357 01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,479 Speaker 5: we didn't know. And then I think, you know, if 1358 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,240 Speaker 5: they want to test out, like if there's like a 1359 01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,400 Speaker 5: if they do, like you know, they have like a 1360 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,080 Speaker 5: Sith show or whatever they want to like, Oh, this 1361 01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,120 Speaker 5: character is interesting and I would like to see it 1362 01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,519 Speaker 5: makes sense for this to come to culminate in a feature. 1363 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,840 Speaker 5: This is a story that can only be told in 1364 01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,439 Speaker 5: a ninety minute like features story act, Like I think 1365 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,160 Speaker 5: our structure that would make sense. 1366 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,479 Speaker 4: Like, but I don't. I don't know. 1367 01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,960 Speaker 5: I can't see them being like we're gonna do another 1368 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,840 Speaker 5: trilogy about another good versus bad. Yeah, I think I 1369 01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,719 Speaker 5: think an interesting take would see the gray of the world, 1370 01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,240 Speaker 5: like the neutral Sith, the gray Jedi, like just seeing 1371 01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,840 Speaker 5: like how those people interact, like something that takes place 1372 01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,080 Speaker 5: after the fall of the Jedi Order, where it's just like, yeah, 1373 01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,720 Speaker 5: there are people out there sort of like kyler Rin 1374 01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,880 Speaker 5: who are like sort of okay at being sort using 1375 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,280 Speaker 5: the four, but they can still get their ass beat 1376 01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,240 Speaker 5: by people that don't know what they're that sort of 1377 01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,479 Speaker 5: know what they're doing. Like that's an interesting onle just 1378 01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,559 Speaker 5: like seeing the rogue one of it, seeing like you know, 1379 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,920 Speaker 5: the the feet on the ground every day, people that 1380 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,400 Speaker 5: are like living in this post glactic or Final chapter, 1381 01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:28,360 Speaker 5: whatever the fuck it was called. 1382 01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,000 Speaker 4: What they're like final order. 1383 01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's what I loved so much about Visions, 1384 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,519 Speaker 6: Like the ideas that they get into in those in 1385 01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,880 Speaker 6: the episodes are just it's so exciting to see, you know, 1386 01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,840 Speaker 6: like a Ronan style story with you know, like a 1387 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,719 Speaker 6: Sith and just I mean the way that the Force 1388 01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,839 Speaker 6: they use different aspects of the Force on different planets. 1389 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,599 Speaker 3: I love that shit, Like give. 1390 01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:59,000 Speaker 6: Me more of it, like spoon feed it to me, Like. 1391 01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,479 Speaker 3: That's what I what I mean. 1392 01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:06,000 Speaker 2: Like, you know, as a as a kind of like 1393 01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:10,800 Speaker 2: basic storytelling rule, there should always be new information. And 1394 01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:16,000 Speaker 2: that's the great thing about Star Wars Visions is yes, 1395 01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:19,759 Speaker 2: we're exploring kind of like the core themes of Star Wars, 1396 01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:26,400 Speaker 2: the duality of the Force, you know, droids, a human 1397 01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:31,840 Speaker 2: relationship with droids, cool laser swords, et cetera. But it's 1398 01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,720 Speaker 2: also just feels so fresh and new. This has been 1399 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:45,880 Speaker 2: so fun up next to the endgame. We're in the 1400 01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:47,960 Speaker 2: end game now, and this week we are playing the 1401 01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:53,200 Speaker 2: Medal of Yavin, in which we will award that great 1402 01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,800 Speaker 2: medal that Chewiy didn't get at the end of Star 1403 01:10:55,840 --> 01:11:00,240 Speaker 2: Wars racial basically racial reasons like why didn't he was 1404 01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:02,920 Speaker 2: so important to the to the mission to blow up 1405 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:04,719 Speaker 2: the death start and then he doesn't get a fucking medal. 1406 01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,559 Speaker 2: It's it's honestly insane, and I still get mad about it. 1407 01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,600 Speaker 2: But we are gonna award the Medal of Yavin to 1408 01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:15,679 Speaker 2: our favorite character from the first three episodes of Star 1409 01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,320 Speaker 2: Wars Visions. Let's start with you, Cody, who is your favorite? 1410 01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,320 Speaker 5: I got to give award to my boy, to my 1411 01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,720 Speaker 5: slug king Geezer, the Hub. He's holding it down for 1412 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:30,759 Speaker 5: all the fail sons out there in the universe. Garage 1413 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,200 Speaker 5: Space Garage Buck band playing that double bass or double 1414 01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,800 Speaker 5: space base. But if they called it, Yeah, I Love, 1415 01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:37,960 Speaker 5: I Love, I Love a good hut that's going through 1416 01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,240 Speaker 5: his punk phase. And since they lived for thousands of years, 1417 01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,880 Speaker 5: I've imagine Geezer's probably like two hundred years old, So 1418 01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,040 Speaker 5: like I Love, Yeah, we stay at a King. 1419 01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,639 Speaker 3: Alicia, I have to go. 1420 01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:50,880 Speaker 6: This is I have to say this is unusual for me. 1421 01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:52,240 Speaker 3: I'm not usually like a. 1422 01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:56,280 Speaker 6: Big SITH person, but the Bandit Leader Lucy Lewis character 1423 01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:01,320 Speaker 6: and the duel she just she deserves a metal just 1424 01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:08,000 Speaker 6: for the crazy swhirling lightsaber umbrella thing, like I'm sorry, 1425 01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,280 Speaker 6: that is like one of the most bad ass. 1426 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,400 Speaker 3: Things I have ever seen. 1427 01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:16,040 Speaker 6: And I mean I also really the little chief in 1428 01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:21,559 Speaker 6: the in the ronan he's he's actually probably deserves it 1429 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,840 Speaker 6: more than the actual terrible sys O's Like. 1430 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,320 Speaker 3: She was just so badass, Like I couldn't get enough. 1431 01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:29,320 Speaker 3: She was incredibly bad. 1432 01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,520 Speaker 6: Oh my god, for days. 1433 01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:37,439 Speaker 2: When she lets her like her hood just like fly 1434 01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:45,960 Speaker 2: her hair was like, yes, I also love the Bandit Leader, 1435 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,599 Speaker 2: but you know what, in order to keep it different, 1436 01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,960 Speaker 2: I'm going to pick the twins together carrying in. I'm 1437 01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,760 Speaker 2: going to pick them as one person who together kind 1438 01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,280 Speaker 2: of embody the duality of the force and the constant 1439 01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:00,719 Speaker 2: struggle between light and dark. 1440 01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:01,639 Speaker 4: Uh. 1441 01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:09,479 Speaker 2: And of course for their incredible uh use of hyper 1442 01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:19,560 Speaker 2: stylized violence, massive destruction, and immense power in the seemingly 1443 01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:24,880 Speaker 2: frail bodies of two individuals. The contains so much power 1444 01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,000 Speaker 2: and force and it was just it was incredible to watch. 1445 01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:31,479 Speaker 2: I'm gonna they're gonna have to share the medal. They'll 1446 01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,320 Speaker 2: figure out a way to do it. Yeah, slice it 1447 01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:35,920 Speaker 2: down the medal. 1448 01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:37,400 Speaker 4: Those are. 1449 01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:39,439 Speaker 6: Yes. 1450 01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,519 Speaker 2: I was so that that medals for them. Let me 1451 01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,080 Speaker 2: just leave it in a room and walk away. I 1452 01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:45,759 Speaker 2: don't want to hand it to them because I'll probably 1453 01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:47,760 Speaker 2: get cut up into a million pieces. 1454 01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:49,240 Speaker 3: That's it for the endgame. 1455 01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,960 Speaker 2: Let us know whether you agree or couldn't disagree more 1456 01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,600 Speaker 2: or have your own Medal of Yavin winner. Get it 1457 01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:58,120 Speaker 2: us at hashtag x r v endgame. That's x r 1458 01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:02,200 Speaker 2: v end Game, Cody, Alicia, thanks for joining us on 1459 01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:03,800 Speaker 2: another episode of Extra Vision. 1460 01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,639 Speaker 3: Plug plug Plug. Where can we find y'all next? 1461 01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:08,599 Speaker 5: If you want to find me, yay, physic across all 1462 01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,559 Speaker 5: them social media platforms, Baby, that's where I be. Check 1463 01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:17,600 Speaker 5: out Amazing Spider Man number seventy. Yeah, I got I 1464 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,280 Speaker 5: got that dropping out. So yeah, that's that's where. 1465 01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:24,200 Speaker 8: I be amazing, And I'm at Alicia lots on all 1466 01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:28,800 Speaker 8: the things Twitter, Instagram, not Facebook, and that's where I 1467 01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:30,599 Speaker 8: post all my stories and all. 1468 01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:34,160 Speaker 3: The silly thoughts. So yeah, you can check me out there. 1469 01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,000 Speaker 2: Join us each week on Wednesday, our new regular release 1470 01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,559 Speaker 2: day for your weekly dose to the deepest dives, hottest takes, 1471 01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:46,080 Speaker 2: et cetera. May the Force remain with you, May it 1472 01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,439 Speaker 2: be with you, carry it with you wherever you go. 1473 01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,720 Speaker 4: Folks. 1474 01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:56,760 Speaker 2: X ray Vision is a Crooked Beata production. This show 1475 01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,360 Speaker 2: is produced by Chris Lord and Saul Rubin. The show 1476 01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:03,080 Speaker 2: is executive produced by myself and Sandy Geard, Caroline Resident 1477 01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,960 Speaker 2: and Carlton Gillespie Or Consulting produces. Thank you to Brian 1478 01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,840 Speaker 2: Vasquez for our theme music and editing and sound design. Today, 1479 01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:14,240 Speaker 2: Sarah give Alaska and the folks at chapter four. Sarah, 1480 01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:17,600 Speaker 2: thank you for doing this from your vehicle today. I 1481 01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,479 Speaker 2: super appreciate it and it's been fun to watch over 1482 01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:27,360 Speaker 2: Bye bye Cody, who is the tastiest star Wars Alien 1483 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:28,880 Speaker 2: Like if you had to give you had to cook 1484 01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:29,240 Speaker 2: him up? 1485 01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:33,520 Speaker 5: Oh boy, Uh, this sounds great. I mean the salacious 1486 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,120 Speaker 5: Crumb comes to mind because his last name says crumbs, 1487 01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,479 Speaker 5: so I feel like he's probably some tasty liver fat 1488 01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:38,880 Speaker 5: going on. 1489 01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:42,920 Speaker 2: I've I've always maintained that Admiral Acbar like some salt, 1490 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:46,200 Speaker 2: oh boy, yeah, and some lemon. You sear that bad 1491 01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:50,120 Speaker 2: boy up? Yeah, he's good it tastes. Oh yeah, so 1492 01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:51,120 Speaker 2: fucking good. 1493 01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:56,720 Speaker 5: Pull out those pin bones, yeah you know, yeah. 1494 01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,320 Speaker 4: I bet him? And what was that the Squid Dude 1495 01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:01,360 Speaker 4: kid Kit bash? Oh yeah yeah we. 1496 01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,400 Speaker 3: Get this cut, the cut those tentacles off and like 1497 01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:04,960 Speaker 3: just like fry those up. 1498 01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,800 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, like oh fuck yeah there fry yeah,