1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: What's going on? Guys? You are listening to episode sixty 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: sixty I'm so geeked over that. A Hurdle a podcast. 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: The docs to everyone from entrepreneurs to top CEOs and 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: athletes about how they've gotten through tough times hurdles of 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 2: sorts by leaning into wellness. 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: My name is Emily. 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 2: A Body, and for today's episode, I'm going to be 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: chatting with George Foreman the Third. If you don't know 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: of George Foreman the Third, you'd likely know of his father. 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: He's a two time heavyweight champion, the guy behind the 11 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: Foreman Grill. George himself also a professional boxer in his 12 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: past and the co founder of a chain of boxing 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: inspired gyms called Everybody Fights. Before I get into George's story, 14 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: quick shout out to my sponsor, Athletic Greens with twelve 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: servings of fruits and vegetables. Athletic Greens gives me the 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: boost I need to start every day off in the 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: right direction. They are offering Hurdle listeners a really special deal. 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: It's twenty free travel packs a seventy nine dollars value, 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: absolutely free with your first purchase. 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If you ask George 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 2: what it was like to grow up with the famous dad, 24 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: he's pretty humble about it. 25 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: And that's because really that's all he's ever known. 26 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: He graduated with a degree in business administration from Rice 27 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: University and went on to manage his dad's business, traveling 28 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: the world, meeting celebrities and managing contracts, and in all 29 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: that hustle and bustle, that's when he came to his 30 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: hurdle moment. He was standing at six foot five, weighing 31 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: in at more than two hundred and eighty pounds when 32 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: he realized he wasn't happy. And that's how George himself 33 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: got into boxing. After a year of training, Foreman stepped 34 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: into the ring for his first fight, weighing in at 35 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty one pounds. He'd then go on 36 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: to have an undefeated professional boxing career that ended in 37 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: twenty just a year before he opened the first Everybody 38 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: Fights in Boston, and the story about how he got there, 39 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 2: well it's pretty insane. Today there are seven locations nationwide 40 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: and he plans to expand to sixteen new ones by 41 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. Trust me, this is an episode you 42 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: guys do not want to miss. As always at Hurdle 43 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: Podcast on Instagram and Twitter, if you have a hurdle 44 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: moment of your own to share or just want to 45 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: say hi, feel free to reach out to me. It's 46 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 2: Emily at Hurdle dot us and I'm going to keep 47 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: this intro short and sweet this week. 48 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: With that, let's get to hurdling Today. I'm sitting down 49 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: with George Foreman, the third. 50 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: I love when I go into intro someone and they 51 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: have like a laundry list of things I can say 52 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: about them right. 53 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: Off the bat. 54 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: I mean, you're an entrepreneur, founder of Everybody Fights, a coach. 55 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 2: Some may recognize your name because you are also the 56 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: son of businessman and former two time heavyweight champion George Foreman. 57 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 3: Daddy, Daddy. 58 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: There's so much to dive into after that intro, But 59 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: I think what I would love first is why don't 60 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: you tell me what Everybody Fights is? 61 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 3: Everybody Fights is a fitness facility essentially at its core, 62 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 3: and we run. You know, one hundred and forty classes 63 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: a week, four different styles of classes, group fitness focus. 64 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 3: But we took it a step further and not only 65 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 3: can we like allow two hundred people to work out 66 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 3: at prime time, we also have not actually not of 67 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: my gym in New York, but all the other ones. 68 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: We have full time open gym, so you can just 69 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: hit the weights if you want to, luxury locker room, 70 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 3: sign the steam room, et cetera, kind of the whole 71 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: nine yards to get people no excuse not to show 72 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: up at the gym four or five times a week. 73 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: I just want you in there. You don't even have 74 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: to work that hard. So that's it. We're known for 75 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: a boxing component. It's one of our four boxing classroom 76 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 3: is one of our four classrooms, but it's only about 77 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 3: thirty percent of what we do from a modality standpoint. 78 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 3: But even when you're in the other classes, we're taking 79 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 3: the attitude that we're preparing you to be a better boxer, 80 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: even when you're running. It's a boxer focused road work, 81 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 3: et cetera. 82 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: So what are the other things you can do in 83 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: the gym besides box? 84 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can box, you can run, you can 85 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: lift or do straint training, cardio recovery classes. We even 86 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: have yoga classes. That was actually my first class in 87 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 3: the entire company was a yoga class. No, people wouldn't 88 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: believe that. Those are all the different ways you can 89 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 3: train at ABF. 90 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: And where are EBF locations right now? 91 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 3: Ebfflications are two in Boston, one New York here and Philadelphia, 92 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 3: and then we have one in Kentucky and Chicago. Oh, 93 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: in Atlanta just opened yesterday, and keep track of them. 94 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: There's so much going on. Congratulations, that's super exciting. 95 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you. 96 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: Not necessarily a boxing gym, but a gym that does 97 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 2: involve a lot of boxing. Yep, you have an extensive 98 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 2: background in boxing. Before we get into that, I just 99 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 2: really want to rewind it kind of start from the beginning. 100 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: Where'd you grow up? 101 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: Grew up in Houston, Texas, a little bit of South Carolina, 102 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: mostly Houston, and then went to boarding school when I 103 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 3: was like eleven years old to Boston. Why Boston, that's 104 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 3: where the best schools were. They said, the schools are there. Yeah, 105 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,679 Speaker 3: And then last two years were at a military school 106 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: in Indiana. So I had a couple of years there 107 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 3: and that's like my childhood right there in a. 108 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: Quick little snapshot. 109 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: Tell me what it's like growing up with a dad 110 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: that everybody knows. 111 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,679 Speaker 3: M It's really hard for me to answer that question 112 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 3: because I don't know what it's like to grow up 113 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 3: with a dad that nobody knows, because by the time 114 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 3: nobody knew who my dad was anymore. It's kind of 115 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 3: like now I'm a grown man. So when I was 116 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: a kid, I remember I was six, and sometime I 117 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: don't have anything to compare it to. You know, when 118 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 3: I was six, I was at a friend's house and 119 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 3: they said, your dad's on TV. And we went in 120 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 3: the living room and all the grown ups were around 121 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: watching him fight on TV. I think it could have 122 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 3: been in pay per view Cherry Cooney, and it was 123 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 3: a big deal and all the grown ups were impressed, 124 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, yeah, my dad's on TV. 125 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 3: And so since and he was a big star, you know, 126 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 3: and about two years later, three years later, he was 127 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: the biggest sports star and by the numbers at least, 128 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: And so I just don't know. So the things that 129 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 3: are awkward, I guess, are just when you meet people, 130 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 3: especially at times when he's like super famous, they assume 131 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: because they feel like they know him, they know you. 132 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 3: That's probably different. Everything else is pretty obvious, I think. 133 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty obvious. 134 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: I mean these days, I feel like any celebrity sports 135 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: star would have you. They have people like stationed outside 136 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 2: of where they're at trying to talk to them. 137 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: Was that something that you guys ran into a lot? 138 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: Uh? Like, we definitely had, you know, growing up, people 139 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 3: are always driving in front of our house over and 140 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 3: over throughout the day. People would it was funny. They'd 141 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 3: always ask my mom if she was the help. They 142 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 3: would actually get asked that. She would say, yeah, I'll 143 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: go get there. And so if that was awkward, I 144 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: think everybody around you they look at you as not you. 145 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 3: But your father is an opportunity and you as an 146 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 3: opportunity to get to an opportunity. So that's awkward. Yeah, 147 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 3: but whatever, man, life is hard, Like that's not hard stuff, 148 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: that's just stuff. I don't I there's nothing to complain about. 149 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 3: I think it's just it's definitely when people sometimes know 150 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 3: more about you and your past and your family's passing 151 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 3: you do, that's very different. But everything else I can't 152 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 3: even like every time I comment on it, it feels like 153 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: I'm complaining. I'm not negative about any of it, you know, totally. 154 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: I mean, it's funny when you reference being younger and 155 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: you have this memory of like them being like. 156 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: Your dad's on TV. 157 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: I feel as though, at some points when I reflect 158 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: on my younger years, like I've totally blocked out, Like 159 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: I don't remember anything from like before age like thirteen, 160 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: I'm like, what even happened? Then? 161 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: I don't even recall that. Okay, cool, So I'll give you. 162 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: I'll give you one more story. In ninety one is 163 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: a guy named Vanda Holyfield, my dad, if I don't know, 164 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: not everybody knows him. And so my dad fought him 165 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: and it was the biggest pay per view event ever, 166 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 3: and nobody had a box where you could tune in, 167 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: like most people didn't have those in ninety one. They 168 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 3: had closed circuit. They did a hunt one point four 169 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: million pay per view bys. Those are big by today's standards, 170 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: So that's how big the fight was. The next day, 171 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: I have to my dad lost a decision, so I 172 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 3: had to go home to school the next day and 173 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 3: I got teased so bad so that I remember that 174 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: was I didn't enjoy that, and then so after that 175 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 3: that was like, oh, Dad's got to win. I was like, 176 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: that was the first time I actually care whether he 177 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 3: won or lost, because I was like, I don't want 178 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 3: to go school on Monday if he loses. 179 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: But whatever, were you athletic growing up? 180 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 3: No? No, no, worst athlete? 181 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? Why do you say that? 182 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 3: I was a book a lead, A book a leade. 183 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: Oh I don't think I've ever heard anyone use that 184 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 1: to her. 185 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: I just first time I ever said it. When I 186 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 3: was six, I had one of my cousins who told me, 187 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 3: you know, you can read too much. That was me 188 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 3: growing up, and I didn't get into athletics until I 189 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: was older. 190 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's kind of talk about that. I know 191 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: you mentioned you went to boarding school in Boston. What 192 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: happened after that? 193 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 3: So Boston, everything went great. I asked to go to 194 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 3: boarding school because I was a weirdo, and after my 195 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: tenth grade year heard there was a school that had 196 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 3: an airport. I wanted to be a pilot. I was 197 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 3: a hot idea. So it was a military school. So 198 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 3: I was like, I'll suck it up and go to 199 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 3: military school to learn how to fly. To the summer camp, 200 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 3: called my dad and said, this is awesome. Can I 201 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 3: stay here? I heard it's really hard during the school 202 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 3: year at the military school, but it was the only 203 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: boarding school with an airport, and he said yep, And 204 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 3: so I stayed in military school for that purpose, got 205 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 3: into lacrosse at the time Indiana, and then graduated, and 206 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 3: part of halfway through that, I went to the Air 207 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: Force Academy to a recruiting program over the summer for 208 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 3: a few weeks, and then they broke the news to 209 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 3: me that George, we really want you. Awesome, and you know, 210 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 3: I'd gone through the whole process, but the distance between 211 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 3: your butt and the top of your head is so 212 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: great that you won't be able to fly fighter jets 213 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: like the planes I wanted to fly. I'd had to 214 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 3: fly like cargo jets and maybe be two bombers or 215 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 3: something like that, they told me if I even got 216 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: to become a pilot. So I said, you know what, 217 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 3: I'm going to college. And so I heard about the 218 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: school named Pepperdine and visited it, applied early, got in, didn't. 219 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: Look back, didn't look back. So what do you go 220 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: to school for? 221 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: And by the way, I regretted it I should have 222 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 3: served my country, But at the time, I was like, 223 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 3: I've had enough military school for the moment, right right? 224 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: What you study in college? 225 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 3: Business admin did that for three years, and my dad said, 226 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 3: there's one rule. You have to get straight a's. You 227 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 3: don't have to pay for anything. But my dad my 228 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 3: mom were divorced and my mom had bills. So I 229 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 3: was like, I'm not going to spend my dad's money 230 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 3: on my mom's bills. 231 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: So I got three jobs, but I still no one. 232 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: How does the thought process for that work? 233 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: You're like, Eh, one job's cool, but I could probably 234 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: take two, and then two jobs are cool, But like, 235 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: I don't need to hang out with any of my friends, So. 236 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 3: What are friends for? Man? Like I grew up my 237 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 3: dad was my friend and our time social time was 238 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 3: working always, so my brain didn't register. So it's like 239 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: I have free time. I got my a's for straight a's, 240 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: I can work, So I work security. I worked at 241 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 3: the student center overnight. I'd do my homework till six 242 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: in the morning, work and they're watching it, and then 243 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 3: I babysat. 244 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: Those jobs are all like you have your like very 245 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: serious security job, and then. 246 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 3: I babysat what better person that babysit your kids in. 247 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: A security security card? 248 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: So my dad found out and he was like, what 249 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 3: you did? Huh? My sister told him me. She was like, 250 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 3: Monk has three jobs because he was boasting about how, like, 251 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 3: I'm both the. 252 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: Name you just used, monk, what's the root of that? 253 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 3: Short for monkey? That's my dad's an't name. Okay, that's 254 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 3: what everybody calls him in the family. But yes, he 255 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 3: was boasting about how it wasn't working and I'm getting 256 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 3: straight aed and she was like, he has three jobs. 257 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 3: And we got in a big fight and he's like, 258 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 3: if you want to work, you can come work from me. 259 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 3: And then there's a transition period and I moved to 260 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 3: Houston and transferred to Rice. 261 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: Okay, so when he says you can come work for me, 262 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: what kind of job is that? And did you even 263 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 2: at the time were you interested in doing that? And 264 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: then you said you guys were best friends, But I. 265 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 3: Think as interested as like if you grew up on 266 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 3: a farm, like are you interested in like harvesting crops? 267 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 3: Probably not, but you know how to do it, you know, 268 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 3: and it's fun and it's the family work. You know, 269 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 3: so that's all I knew growing up. Like if I 270 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 3: wasn't in school, I was counting rounds behind my dad 271 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 3: and he'd be running. I'd be twelve while he's doing 272 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 3: his road work, driving, helping him chop wood, dick holes, 273 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 3: recording his sparring. I was always working. Then when he 274 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 3: got into consumer products, I was reading scripts with him, 275 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 3: you know, like I set up his first AOL email 276 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 3: when I was like, I don't know, I had to 277 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: be really young when I did that backup, and so 278 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 3: always with him, just whatever I could do, I would 279 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: do it right. I was like the local, the family 280 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 3: it kid. So yeah, at the time, I had done 281 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 3: a little bit of everything. Would you ask what kind 282 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 3: of work? Yeah, yeah, what kind of work. So anyway, 283 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: I was always doing a little bit of everything. But 284 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 3: he always had to have somebody physically with him. He 285 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 3: never went anywhere alone. Ever. He's still liked that. And 286 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: do you think that celebrity lifestyle. Yeah, so you know 287 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: he's been a celebrity since who was eighteen win the 288 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 3: Olympics and it was like a high profile win nineteen. 289 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: So just always having somebody with you, it's important anyway, 290 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 3: So the exclusive travel companion of a guy like him. 291 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 3: At the time, you look travel around the world, you're 292 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 3: in private jets, you get to go like live in 293 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 3: the four seasons, you can like leave your food at 294 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 3: the four seasons between trips, like it was the best 295 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: job you could have. And he was like, you're gonna 296 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 3: do that because he had an issue with the guy 297 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: who was working with him at the time, and so 298 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 3: I was like, all right, cool, And so that started 299 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 3: the summer between my before my junior year, and then 300 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: by the end of that year he actually said, here's 301 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: a deal you want to negotiate it. It was a 302 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 3: contract extension with the mining car care centers, and that 303 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 3: was my first opportunity to actually do business manager roles. 304 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 3: And when within a year after that I was exclusively 305 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 3: managing everything. 306 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: Wow, I was like, twenty one, did you feel overwhelmed? 307 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 3: Not with work? Like I was always a workaholic, Like 308 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 3: the thing that I just hate sleep the idea of it, 309 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: but it feels good, but just the fact that I 310 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 3: have to go to sleep. Yeah, And so so I 311 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 3: didn't mind the work and I love the travel. It 312 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 3: was really cool at that age. You know, now I 313 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 3: look at all that stuff differently. 314 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: It's I'm processing this because I'm surprised. I've never heard 315 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 2: someone say that before, the idea that they hate that 316 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: you have to sleep because there's just so much you 317 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: want to do. 318 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: But yes, such an interesting perspective. You have to stop 319 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: and sleep now, I mean you do have to stand point. 320 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 3: So that didn't bother me. But the mistakes being twenty 321 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 3: one and knowing like you know and I'm not some 322 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: people make billion dollar mistakes, but being twenty one and 323 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 3: know and you can make a mistake and it results 324 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 3: in we're not going to make two million dollars that 325 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 3: we were going to make because you made a mistake, 326 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 3: or you didn't handle the negotiation right, or you didn't 327 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: make sure information would exchange two million, three million, eight 328 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 3: million dollar mistakes being in depositions injunctions because you made 329 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 3: a communication mistake. That type of pressure was tough at 330 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 3: that young age, but it was an awesome experience. I 331 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 3: actually used to go sit in law school classes. A 332 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: friend of mine was a professor or the dean. He 333 00:14:58,560 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 3: just let me take the classes. But I ain't get 334 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 3: to degree. 335 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: So so terrified, so terrified. 336 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: I mean, you obviously named a lot of big scenarios 337 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: that you could have messed up. Were there any particular 338 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: mess ups or quote unquote failures that you had that 339 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: really taught you a major lesson? 340 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: Oh god, I can't, I can't. I can't share. There's 341 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 3: one I just can't because it's just not my business's share. 342 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 3: But I'm trying to think, you know, this wasn't a 343 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 3: mess up. It wasn't my mess up. But actually, but 344 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 3: I can tell you. I remember one time waking up 345 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 3: and just the gravity of something. I was like, twenty three, 346 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 3: I pick up my dad's business manager, I pick up 347 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 3: the Houston Chronicle and then it went on to all 348 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 3: the other outlets. George Forman sued for fifty million dollars. 349 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: It's a lot of money. 350 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 3: And I found that in the news and I was like, eh, like, 351 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: how am I going to explain this? And we won 352 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: and it was all good because they weren't really trying 353 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 3: to sue him. They're trying to see someone else, but 354 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: they wanted to like put him in the news as lever. Yeah, 355 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 3: and it turned out great for us. But just like 356 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 3: that was that was heavy. That was a big one 357 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 3: at twenty three is very heavy. 358 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: What does that teach you though, that. 359 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 3: Teaches you that businesses businesses coal man, yeah, coal. And 360 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: you know, my dad used to tell me. He's like, 361 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: if you have one hundred dollars, he's like, twenty five 362 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 3: percent of that's for you, twenty five percent of that's 363 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 3: for that IRS, thirty five no, forty percent of that's 364 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 3: for irs, depending on where you land. And then he'd 365 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 3: be like a percentage just for this and he's like 366 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 3: about fifteen percent. You just put that away for lawsuits. 367 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: So that was the lesson. He didn't even do anything wrong. 368 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, just your overall income, it's fine. 369 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 3: Just keep that to the side. That doesn't even belong 370 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 3: to you. 371 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so you're a business manager and you're traveling the world. 372 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 2: Do you have any moments of that time in your 373 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: life that are just so stand out in terms of 374 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: just sheer Maybe shock values the wrong term, but just 375 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: shock value, like experiences that were just absolutely unbelievable. 376 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, I'd say, I can think of 377 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 3: a long list of people. I never verbilize this, but 378 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 3: now that you're bringing it up, Like the stuff that 379 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 3: was really cool was when you meet like Tiger Woods 380 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 3: and he's like, George, can I have a picture. You know, 381 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 3: I'm just standing watching this happen. I'm like, this is weird. 382 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 3: And then because or you meet you know, a next president, 383 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 3: you know, or the president. I don't think I met 384 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 3: an actual president while he was president though. And then 385 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 3: you meet guys like Eddie Murphy and he's like, stop 386 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 3: the elevator, George, give me a hug. And this is 387 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 3: a time when Edie's still a big star, you know. 388 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 3: And the list goes on to these stars allow cooja 389 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 3: at their height. You know. There's another one that was 390 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 3: like really big, Justin Timberlake. George. This is when Justin 391 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 3: was He's still Justin. 392 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: He is my top two. 393 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: Like, and I feel like I should ask you this now, 394 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: but you have the opportunity to eat dinner with one 395 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 2: of three people Justin's on my list. 396 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, like cool dude, I was a fan. Yeah, And 397 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 3: he's like, George, can I have a picture, And then 398 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 3: and her mother's bringing it over and John Legend's like, hey, George, 399 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 3: my wife likes your kid. And you're like, is this 400 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 3: really happening? But no one would understand it because they 401 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 3: were like massive stars, even bigger than him. But to him, 402 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 3: it was like uncle George. You know it was weird. Yeah, 403 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 3: so that was that was fun. 404 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was fun. 405 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: Okay, you're traveling the word world with your dad and 406 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 2: it gets to a point maybe you realize that you 407 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: need to take a step back from all of this glamour, 408 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: if you'll. 409 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: Call it that. 410 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think a couple of things. One was I 411 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 3: just remember like feeling uncomfortable at all times. I'm like 412 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 3: my own skin, and I was just out of shape, 413 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 3: to be honest, not sleeping. Really successful in business for 414 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 3: a young guy, right Like, like I said, I don't 415 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 3: like toe like people have been a million times more successful, 416 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 3: especially if they happened to be happy. But my point is, 417 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 3: in terms of my goals, I was super successful. And 418 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 3: I remember like I had so many people kind of 419 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 3: hanging on if you will, that I flew back home 420 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 3: and I was like, I'm going to go check into 421 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 3: a hotel. I checked into a hotel and just stayed 422 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 3: there for three days. I was just like, I just 423 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 3: I don't want to be around anybody. I don't want 424 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 3: to even go home because my home's not my home, 425 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 3: and just like I'm just gonna be here for a 426 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 3: little bit. And then I think I touched base at home, 427 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 3: changed my clothes, and then went on to my next trip. 428 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 3: And I was like, how in the world does that happen? 429 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 3: You know? So that was a moment where I was 430 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 3: just like, something's got to change because everybody looked at 431 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 3: me like what you got for me? You know, which 432 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 3: is fine, Which is fine. I like to be that person. 433 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 3: But secondly, yeah, I was out of shape. It's three 434 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 3: hundred pounds, and I was like, how did that happen? 435 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 3: I'd get one hundred pounds from moving to Malibuda to Houston, 436 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 3: and so I said, I got to get in shape. 437 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, did you feel awful as well? Did you feel drained? 438 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 2: Where your energy levels low? 439 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 3: I just wasn't like I was just looking forward to 440 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 3: rest for the first time. I think I had ever 441 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 3: looking forward to rest, and that's not who I am, 442 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 3: you know. 443 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 2: Was there a particular moment where that really hit you? 444 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 3: You know what? Man? With the weight, I think with work, 445 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 3: I just could feel myself losing my relationship with my 446 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 3: dad a little bit. And oh, this is a moment 447 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: and then I'll tell you about the weight. We would 448 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 3: sit and look at each other in Saint Lui, jaw 449 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 3: On vacation. He never takes vacations, but he would just 450 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 3: like put it up, put up with it for the family. 451 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 3: He's not a vacation guy. So we go on vacation, 452 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 3: and the minute we were in the same room, it 453 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,959 Speaker 3: was like we're at work. We were both tense and 454 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 3: what about this? We got to tick on that, and 455 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 3: I felt bad for him because I'm like, he can't 456 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 3: take a break with me in the room and vice versa. 457 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 3: But then there's no way I'm going to take a 458 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 3: vacation when he's at home working. It's just impossible. But 459 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 3: I remember that tension and I was like, that's not great. 460 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 3: You know, we were supposed to be able to stop and relaxing. 461 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 3: But I looked at the scale and I think I 462 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 3: tried a bunch of DIA pills and like some of 463 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 3: them may be like really angry and aggressive. And I 464 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 3: was like, okay, I can't do that, but I'm two 465 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 3: hundred and eighty nine pounds and something hit me. I 466 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 3: called my brothers and I was like, yo, they had 467 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 3: teased me all my life that I was not a 468 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 3: real athlete. There's no proof I was a varsity athlete, 469 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 3: even though I was, and so I said, look, if 470 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 3: I have one amateur boxing match, would you guys shut up? 471 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 3: Because I had been so my dad at HBO championship 472 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 3: fights and I saw Lennox Lewis walk by one time 473 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 3: and I was like, he's not that big. I'm as 474 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 3: big as Linux. I can do this. That doesn't make sense. 475 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 3: And Lenox's coach, who was a guy nam Emmanuel Stewart, 476 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 3: was like, George, give me your sign. I'll make him 477 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 3: a champion. He was probably joking. Sure he was joking, 478 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 3: but I was like, I can fight, and I want 479 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: to have one amateur fight to prove it, to prove 480 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 3: it to myself. Got them on the phone. They said, 481 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 3: if you have one amateur fight, you got your respect. 482 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 3: I started training by myself. 483 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: Started training for a year. Can you tell your dad no? 484 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 3: Not initially? Wow, he had shut down the boxing component 485 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 3: of our gym. It was about sixty thousand squareff facility 486 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 3: and the boxing room is just a small piece. And 487 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 3: I found a trainer from out and uh, he had 488 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 3: shut it down because of unsupervised s barring. Trainer met 489 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 3: me and I just trained every day and actually I 490 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 3: found one trainer. He worked me two hard, so I 491 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 3: got rid of him and I found another trainer and 492 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 3: a year About a year into it, my dad heard 493 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 3: I had been creeping in and out of the gym 494 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 3: and he was like, you're really gonna do this? And 495 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I'm gonna have my first amateur fight. 496 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 3: He's like, who are you not? 497 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 2: Traveling with him constantly at this point, sot constantly, So 498 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 2: how does he not realize that you're doing this? 499 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: And also, I mean I would assume like you're losing weight. 500 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's. 501 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: Just like, wow, Son, you're looking good. 502 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 3: You know what we talked about? No, no, he noticed, 503 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 3: but he just did not want to encourage it. And 504 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 3: we always talk boxing all my life. 505 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: Why do you think he didn't want. 506 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 3: To encourage so us talking boxing wasn't weird? You know 507 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 3: at the time he didn't encourage me because I think 508 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 3: number one, I mean, my dad was always like he's like, man. 509 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 3: He used to call me and I met my brother 510 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 3: used call me like oh JFK JR. I don't know 511 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 3: what that meant, if that's even a thing. You know. Yeah, 512 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 3: they would be like, oh, you're going to be like this, 513 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 3: and they just wanted me to have like ten degrees 514 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 3: and like own businesses and like be the president, you know, 515 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 3: like had always a lot of big dreams for me, 516 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 3: you know, sent me to like every camp you can 517 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 3: think of, you know, put a lot of energy into 518 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 3: my education. His mantra was, you can be anything, you know, 519 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 3: and I'm killing myself to make sure you have every 520 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 3: opportunity and or you can just have a career and 521 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 3: never have a job and start businesses and all this. 522 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 3: And I tell him I want to go get punched 523 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 3: in the face for money, you know, or just punch 524 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 3: in the face for free. Yeah, So I think that 525 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 3: had something to do with it. And in hindsight, I 526 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 3: learned as a fighter why he didn't encourage it until 527 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 3: he knew that he couldn't stop it. 528 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: Right, Well, what was that? 529 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 2: This is like a spoiler alert? You can't say, Like, 530 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 2: in hindsight, I learned a fast forward. 531 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 3: So trained for a year. Tell him I'm in a box. 532 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 3: He says, no, you're not. I said, yes I am. 533 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 3: He said, I'm going to train you. No, I'm going 534 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 3: to make sure we pre match you with an amateur. 535 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 3: And I know that they have as many fights as 536 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 3: you have, so it's equal. I had zero nobody in 537 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 3: Houston will fight me because of his name, to which 538 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 3: he said, why don't you just have a pro fight 539 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 3: because you know the guy will show up for the check. 540 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 3: I said yes, he said I'll train you. I said okay. 541 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 3: That went on. He said it was going to be 542 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 3: for six weeks, went on for an entire year, and 543 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 3: I thought, there's two times I was like, this is death, 544 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 3: this is close to death. And then he said you're 545 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 3: going to have your first fight. And he made me 546 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 3: think this guy was going to be like this monster 547 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 3: boogey monster. And the guy was like a cream puff, 548 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 3: you know, knock him out and around and after it 549 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 3: he would he was too afraid to go out even 550 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 3: though the guy was like a cream buff my dad. 551 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 3: During the fight, he stayed in the locker room, and 552 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 3: about two days after the fight, I said something to 553 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 3: him about a informercial that we were shooting with the 554 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 3: Harrington's actually one of the original Shark team guys, and 555 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 3: he was like, don't worry about that, get ready for 556 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 3: your next fight. I was like, next fight. He's like yeah. 557 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 3: I was like all right, And within three months I 558 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 3: was completely out of business completely in the boxing, and 559 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: about a year into that, so I probably had eight fights, 560 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 3: maybe a year and a half. I remember my phone 561 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 3: would go bing, you know the apple sound when you 562 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 3: have a text, and my whole head would just go 563 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 3: and it would like my head would ring. I get 564 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 3: tingles throughout my entire body, and little things like that 565 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 3: were happening that I had never heard about it. I 566 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 3: thought boxers couldn't speak, you know, or the morolder skills 567 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 3: or someone have to carry them around. But I know, 568 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 3: you get like chills through your body. Weird. A lot 569 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 3: of weird stuff started happening, and I was far like 570 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 3: at least one hundred rounds per fight, you know, And 571 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 3: I got hit so much and sparring I get on. 572 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 3: I was typically on the better side of it, but 573 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 3: I got hit and I never thought like man head injury. 574 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 3: And I remember one time going so deep. I'd never 575 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 3: been understood what it meant to be depressed. I'm not 576 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 3: into that. That's I have to believe, like, oh, I'm 577 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 3: not depressed, and it's not real. It's not depressed and 578 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: your weak. That was like how I thought. And I 579 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 3: remember one time I had a bad sparing session and 580 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 3: the guy like cleaned my clock like it was an MMA. Guy. 581 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 3: He's just throwing punches from angles I had never seen seen. 582 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 3: And my dad was like, yeah, you sub to take 583 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 3: a couple of days off. And I remember for three 584 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 3: days I was so depressed. I like drove down to 585 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 3: a hotel in Galveston and just shut the door, shut 586 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 3: the windows, and I just like stayed there and didn't move. 587 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 3: It's really bizarre, and that I was depressed. There's the 588 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 3: only thing I can think of. Like I was just 589 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 3: in a deep, dark, like weird place, like I'm just 590 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 3: going to go drive into a hotel and shut myself 591 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: in the room for three days. And then when I 592 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 3: was done, I was like, Okay, I'm better. And the 593 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 3: only thing I can attribute it to because just not 594 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 3: who I'm not my style is the injury, you know, 595 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 3: and that's one of the symptoms. Shook it off and 596 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 3: moved on. So I think knowing that, knowing the I 597 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 3: had to teach myself how to speak again after a year, 598 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 3: and I'd have to mouth every syllable of every word 599 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 3: and learn how to use my tongue, and I'd speak 600 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 3: fine now, I think, But I never had to think 601 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 3: about it. Attention span. All these things changed. Maybe Sharper 602 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 3: I came up with tricks so people wouldn't realize that 603 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 3: my motor skills were different. Maybe I've never used names. 604 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 3: I'd use nicknames. I still do that now. But all 605 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: these things, you know, And you know, if I'm like, 606 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 3: if I knew something I could look at a person 607 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 3: and think about, I'd like, figure out, what's the one 608 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 3: thing about them that my brain would always remember, and 609 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 3: I would call them by that name instead of their 610 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 3: name because I can't remember names, right, and so little 611 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 3: things like that. And I know that my dad, knowing that, 612 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 3: would not have wanted me in that right. So those 613 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 3: are the things I found out that people don't talk about. 614 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's an interesting idea to 615 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 2: decide one day that you want to put yourself in 616 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: an environment where someone is literally coming to hurt you. 617 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, there are so many things you could say. 618 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: And I was joking with someone about this the other day, 619 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 2: but I was like, when I was growing up, I 620 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: was like, I want to be a journalist. You're like, 621 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: I hope someone punches my brains out. 622 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 3: I don't know why, man. I mean, when you put 623 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 3: it like that, it's very like, duh, don't. 624 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: Do that, Like What was that? 625 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: Do you even remember, I'm sure you do the first 626 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: time that you actually had a moment where someone was 627 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 2: coming at you and you were like, wow, I'm really 628 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 2: doing this. 629 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 3: So my third fight, I think it was guy named 630 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 3: Dale Mitchell, MMA, guy two hundred and eighty nine pounds. 631 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: How heavy were you when you started fighting? 632 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 3: Two thirty one? 633 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: Oh wow? 634 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 3: He punched me right in my throat. Oh like, for 635 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 3: whatever reason, he wasn't aiming for my throat, but it 636 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 3: hit me right below my chin. I've never been hit 637 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 3: there before. After I said, man, this is not what 638 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 3: I signed up for, Like hit me in my eye, 639 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 3: my nose, but not my throat. And he mopped to 640 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 3: float me and I came back out and I was 641 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,239 Speaker 3: able to get a hold of them, but hired them 642 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 3: as my sparing partner. But that was the moment where 643 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is real. And then the 644 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 3: second time was the only time I got knocked down 645 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 3: off my feet. I didn't fully hit the ground. I 646 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 3: caught myself with the glove, but I didn't even notice it. 647 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 3: I just looked up and I was like, what happened? 648 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 3: And then I had to go back out there and fight. 649 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 3: And then find out what happened later. 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I 683 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 3: think I'm maxed out in pressure. There's just nowhere to go. 684 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 3: It's like, did you feel pressure to make your business successful? Well, 685 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: if I didn't, I was going to fully be homeless, 686 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 3: So I don't know, you know, Yeah, no, I hear you, 687 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 3: are right, I don't really proceeds pressure in those times. 688 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I totally hear you. 689 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 2: So let's transition then a little bit into your boxing professionally, 690 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: your dodge and punches left and right, getting thrown in 691 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: the throat. 692 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: When do you start to realize. 693 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 2: Is it after you go to the hotel and you 694 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: kind of like turn down for a beat that you're like, 695 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 2: maybe I should start to think about what's next. 696 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 3: I would never change what I'm doing because of adversity, 697 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 3: but love, while this is going, this is another storyline. 698 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 3: So my dad, that memory said when he said, I 699 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 3: have to train you as a pro. Yeah, he said, 700 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 3: and I was happy about it. He said, A requisite 701 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 3: is this boxing program this building where you're training because 702 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 3: Memory was closed, I had the key. I want you 703 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 3: to open it back up. It been closed for almost 704 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 3: two years at that point. I want you to open 705 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 3: it back up. You're going to be the only boxing trainer. 706 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 3: And I was like, Dad, I'm just learning how to 707 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 3: do this. He said, that's fine. Whatever I teach you 708 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 3: that day, you teach others. And I got hooked. I 709 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 3: get this to the gym sometime like because the kids 710 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 3: couldn't get there until about two thirty, so I'd get 711 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 3: there at two and get there early, be ready for him, 712 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 3: and I'd be planning out my lesson playing because I'm 713 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 3: so nervous, you know, And I just teach him whatever 714 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 3: he taught me that day, and it just added added, 715 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 3: built on, and I would do two to like five. 716 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 3: He trained me from like five to six thirty hard, 717 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 3: and then I'd go from like six thirty to sometime 718 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 3: nine at night. And these are people from ages nine 719 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 3: to thirty, a lot of high school kids. I had 720 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 3: an amateur boxing team, and I remember feeling like from 721 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 3: my first time in my life, I would have to 722 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 3: talk myself out of work. Because I love work, but 723 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 3: I could be like, Okay, time for a break. Let's 724 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 3: enjoy the finer things. Let's spend some of this money, 725 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 3: you know. But in that gym when I'm training people, 726 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 3: I'm like, you just got to go home, man, put 727 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 3: it down for a second. Go home, go home, Send 728 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 3: him to go home. They need rest. I'd have to 729 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 3: talk myself out of work, which I've never been in 730 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 3: that situation until that point. Right even training boxing training myself, 731 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 3: I was like, yo, can we just stop this ten 732 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 3: minutes early? And so I remember telling a friend of mine, 733 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 3: if I could do that for a living, if I 734 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 3: could find a way to make that eleving, I would 735 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 3: just stop professional boxing period. Like I wouldn't even think 736 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 3: about it. I didn't think that was the case. So 737 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 3: about a year and a half later. 738 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: What are we like in time right now? 739 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 3: Two thousand and eight, then two thousand and nine, I 740 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,719 Speaker 3: decided to just take a break from the sport, from 741 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 3: more so from a business level, but like a break, like, hey, 742 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 3: two months off train and go fight again. I actually 743 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 3: did fight again after that. I'm watching an interview by 744 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 3: Dave Chapelle, and this is when I was like done 745 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 3: for fighting. This is late two thousand and eight, Texas, 746 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 3: watching interview by Dave Chappelle, and he says he's arguing 747 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 3: with his father, telling his dad why he wants to 748 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 3: be a comedian. His dad's like, the odds are you 749 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 3: being successful are like less than one percent. His dad's 750 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 3: a professor. I think all his family had educated people. 751 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 3: And he said, Dad, if I can make a teacher 752 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 3: salary being a comedian, wouldn't that be successful? And his 753 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 3: dad was like, yo, you got me. I watched that 754 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,479 Speaker 3: and I was like, light bulb. Teachers in Texas make 755 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 3: thirty five thousand dollars a year. If I can teach 756 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 3: boxing and make thirty five thousand dollars a year, that 757 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 3: would be a success. That was like how my brain works. 758 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 3: And I think they make a lot more than thirty 759 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 3: five thousand dollars a year. So had this kind of 760 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 3: like moment with my father where I was just like, Yo, 761 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 3: this is not the right type attention. We're successful, you know, 762 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 3: and I didn't want to, like once again, lose my 763 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 3: relationship with my dad over boxing. So I was like, 764 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 3: you know what, let me take a breathe and reset 765 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 3: and think should I be doing this. Visiting a friend 766 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 3: in Boston and he goes second down there he's like, Yo, 767 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 3: come check out this gym. We go work out. He 768 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 3: used to be a boxing trainer but never boxed. Best 769 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 3: friend from boarding school Boston and met him when we 770 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 3: were eleven chubby kids, and we come out and he's like, dude, 771 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 3: you should open a Boston gym in Boston. It would 772 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 3: crush it. And I was like yeah, what And he 773 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 3: was like, don't look at me like that because I 774 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 3: gave him this weird look because this is like the 775 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 3: ninth business idea he's come to me with since we've 776 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 3: been kids. And I was like Noah. I was like, 777 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 3: I really want to do it. And I just never 778 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 3: looked back because it was the culbination of all those 779 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 3: thoughts people were paying one hundred and forty dollars a 780 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 3: month to belong to its stinky boxing gym, and Equinox 781 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 3: was one fifty six. So I literally never went back. 782 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 3: I just stayed in Boston and opened the gym two 783 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 3: years later. 784 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: What did you with you? 785 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 3: I had? Okay, So I had a jeep. I went 786 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 3: to I think it was TJ Max, one of those, 787 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 3: and I went in the back and I had a 788 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 3: carry on suitcase. It was cheap apparently license there brand 789 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 3: to like crappy suitcases, and I was like thirty bucks. 790 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 3: I remember buying it, and I had So I had 791 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 3: that carry on suitcase full of whatever I could pack 792 00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 3: in it. 793 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 2: And you're a big guy, so it's not like you 794 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 2: can really fit a lot of stuff in here. 795 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 3: No, you can't, you know that. 796 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'm sure you can't traveling with 797 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: a carry on. 798 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 3: It's hard as a big guy. 799 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 2: And I had this backpack and so that same backpack, 800 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 2: that one you made a lot of money traveling around 801 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 2: the world, bought in a new backpack sentimental. 802 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 3: I still have that carry on and it doesn't it's 803 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 3: like the zippers. 804 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: Broke mental note. 805 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 2: Anyone listening to this podcast that wants to say, George 806 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 2: a new backpack for a new suitkit. 807 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 808 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 2: I used to have one of those north faced backbacks 809 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 2: in college. I looked north facebacka. 810 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: Someone please send I'm gonna George. I got you. We're 811 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: going to work on that. 812 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 3: After the pod, I slept on AJ's couch for three 813 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 3: or four, probably three months. He told me travel a 814 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 3: little bit. Be sure you're sure. I traveled for like 815 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 3: a week, came back and I said, I'm sure, and uh, 816 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 3: slepping this couch until I can find a roommate. And 817 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 3: bought an air mattress. And I had the air mattress 818 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 3: and the box of air mattress came in and I 819 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 3: rode that out until I had no more money. Just 820 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 3: kept trying to open the gym. 821 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 2: Wow, okay, so what's the first thing that happens when 822 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: you decide that you want to open the gym? 823 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 3: You? First thing I did was I put on my boots. 824 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 3: I always ran in military boots. He's like, I got 825 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:14,959 Speaker 3: them from like the Marine Corps. 826 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 2: So the way, I don't know, a second, when you 827 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 2: look down and pointed at your feet, I was like, 828 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 2: are you really a f. 829 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: One of the. 830 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 3: Thank God and the way and I just I don't know. 831 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 3: My dad made me and I got used to it. 832 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 3: So I ran around the city. I had a list 833 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 3: from Google of all the gyms, and I would just 834 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 3: walk in one by one and took a tour and 835 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 3: just learned, studied all the websites, and then then I 836 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 3: did a walk from Equinox to the sweaty boxing gym 837 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 3: that charged one thirty and one hundred a month of 838 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 3: you signed a contract. And I landed somewhere in the 839 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 3: middle because I was like, okay, one mile, they're two 840 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 3: miles apart, equidistant. There's this area called the Seaport. And 841 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 3: AJ had already said he thought the Seaport was a 842 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 3: good area, but I didn't know what that was. So 843 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 3: I come back. I'm like, yo, this area is called 844 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 3: the Seaport. The buildings look like an old like they 845 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 3: looked like boxing gyms, and he was like, duh, that's 846 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 3: why I said you should open it. And then I 847 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 3: would go night by night and I would wait till 848 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 3: about five or six, and I would see people from 849 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 3: these condos that had been built. It was a ghost town, 850 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,439 Speaker 3: but there were a few condos and they'd walk through 851 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 3: the Seaport into Fidi Financial District and then back. And 852 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 3: so I was like, there's a demand here, and if 853 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 3: people are paying one thirty for gym, I wouldn't even 854 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 3: go to My parents are from the hood, you know, yeah, 855 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 3: I kind of from the myself in many ways, like 856 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 3: I'm comfortable in the hood. I wasn't comfortable in that. 857 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: Hood right right, right. 858 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 3: And so I was like, all right. Then I got 859 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 3: a software called liveplan dot Com called up and I 860 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 3: started making a live plan to figure out where break 861 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 3: even was because I was I remember learning in business 862 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 3: school like if you can get to break even, it's 863 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 3: a business worth being in. You just figured out how 864 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 3: to be profitable. 865 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: So live Plan is just literally a planning software. 866 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 3: I looked at all the business plan softwares and live 867 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 3: Plan had just started at the time apparently, and I 868 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 3: was like, Yo, this is awesome. And I called up 869 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 3: La Boxing, which is now UFC. UFC bought them, and 870 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,439 Speaker 3: I was like, maybe that's just franchise. So I asked 871 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 3: them questions. I didn't tell my name, and they were like, yo, 872 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 3: we love Boston. Boston has the highest percentage of people 873 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 3: with a gym membership in the nation at twenty five 874 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 3: percent Massachusetts did, so I wrote that down and they 875 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 3: were like, yeah, it's great for this, that and the other, 876 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 3: and we're looking for a franchiseing and I was like awesome. 877 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,439 Speaker 3: So did more research, but that was Massachusetts at twenty 878 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 3: five percent. Boston skewed higher than that, and the average 879 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,720 Speaker 3: price paid for a gym membership was ninety one dollars. 880 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 3: That was third in the nation. Wow. So I ran 881 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 3: my numbers at the LA boxing average, which they told 882 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 3: me it was like seventy, and I ran him at 883 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 3: ninety one. And then I ran him out with the 884 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 3: sweaty Boston gym chargers one thirty and I ran him 885 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 3: at Equinox numbers one fifty six, and I found that 886 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,919 Speaker 3: right around ninety at five hundred members was break even 887 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 3: and I could pay thirty k a month. 888 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: Rent Okay, rock On, rock On, And. 889 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 3: Then I was like, for sure, I'm not going anywhere. 890 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: What's your dad think? 891 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 3: That took about a week. 892 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: That took about a took a week for me to 893 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: be like all right, he was not so. 894 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 3: Jazz because this was like you went through all this 895 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 3: beat up. I almost killed you three or four times. 896 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 3: You know, they were training and you're he's like, you're 897 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 3: actually getting good and he's like, man, you hold on 898 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 3: for a couple more years. You could have a championship 899 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 3: twenty million dollars and you know, and I just didn't 900 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 3: want it. I could. I couldn't function the idea of 901 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 3: doing something when I already knew I loved something so 902 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 3: much more. I was like, no, I love this, you know, 903 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 3: boxing would be easy. And I ended up having one 904 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 3: more fight to just like kind of put it to 905 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 3: bed by myself. But we butted heads, not but it heads, 906 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 3: but we just disagreed, you know. And I was like, well, 907 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 3: I love your support, and he's like, how am I 908 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,720 Speaker 3: going to support that when you have a real boxing career, 909 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 3: you know, like you can fight on pay per view, 910 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 3: you can do all this stuff. And I was like nah, 911 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 3: And so yeah, he wasn't through. 912 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 2: In retrospect, when you look back and you realize that 913 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,879 Speaker 2: you really did follow your heart, Like what did that 914 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 2: experience and leaning toward the boxing gym really teach you? 915 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 3: You know what? It taught me like this is right 916 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 3: and the wrong way to do things. I think the 917 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 3: way I handled things that my father was wrong because 918 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 3: I didn't I don't know, man. I just finally I 919 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 3: was just like, forget it. You don't understand da da 920 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 3: da da, you know, And I wish I had just 921 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 3: like literally picked up the phone and had a hard 922 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 3: conversation with him, like every day of the week until 923 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 3: he was okay with it, because guess what. In the end, 924 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 3: his point was like, you can make four hundred thousand 925 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 3: dollars a year of boxing. You're about to sign a 926 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 3: lease that requires you to pay four hundred thousand dollars 927 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,839 Speaker 3: a year whether you're successful or not. He's like, why 928 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 3: would you put yourself under that pressure? So he was 929 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 3: worried about my success, and I think drilling down into 930 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 3: like learning that and understanding it, I think would have 931 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 3: been better and more productive. 932 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: Did how long did you guys go? 933 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 3: Kind of it was like finally we were just like, 934 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 3: let's just not talk about it, you know, let's talk 935 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 3: about horses and family and hamburgers. Literally horses. 936 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you horse bedding family. 937 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 3: No, we we race horses that people bet on, but 938 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 3: we don't bet on them. 939 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: Got it. 940 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 3: I probably would, My dad doesn't. 941 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 2: Okay, So you got get over that hurdle of sorts 942 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 2: and you're working on opening a gym in Boston, and 943 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 2: when does it actually open? 944 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 3: So started. I moved to Boston two thousand and March 945 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 3: twenty twelve, and it opened January first, January second, twenty fourteen. 946 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: That's a pretty quick turnaround. 947 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 3: I thought it was gonna take six months. 948 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, how did that feel? 949 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 3: It hurt? It hurt. I think in the I learned 950 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,479 Speaker 3: a lot in the process. You remember all those people 951 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 3: that I told you were crowding my house? Yeah they were. 952 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 3: Nobody was anywhere to be found. I remember looking at 953 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 3: my cell phone because I'd gone from you know, being 954 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 3: the man to like not the man, and no one 955 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,280 Speaker 3: was calling, no one was hit me up. I had Facebook. 956 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 3: I was like, y'all can find me. 957 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,240 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you. So was social media 958 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 2: even really a thing for you at this point? 959 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 3: Uh? It was not like it is now. But I 960 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 3: had five thousand friends on Facebook. Yeah, you know. So 961 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 3: it was just weird to see how quiet things get 962 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 3: when people don't think you're doing anything. Yeah, not having 963 00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 3: money when you're used to have a lot of money, 964 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 3: it's awkward. Like I had this moment where I had 965 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 3: a ten thousand dollars BRIONI trench coat and I checked 966 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 3: it in and I I had a ticket to a 967 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 3: fundraiser and I couldn't. I didn't have enough money to 968 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 3: get it back out. I didn't realize you were charging 969 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,399 Speaker 3: and I was like, whoa, whoa, this is awkward, right 970 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 3: and some pa. But I was like, how do I 971 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 3: tell them aout have any money? I just never They 972 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 3: probably would have been okay. And some lady paid for me. 973 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 3: She saw me get stuck and just later found her. 974 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 3: But that and then I remember one time like I'm 975 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 3: just like because I can't ask my dad for help, 976 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 3: you know, He's like, hey, you have a career, you 977 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 3: have a home you can come back to, but not 978 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 3: doing that, you know. 979 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 980 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 3: So and I remember one time scrounging on my chain 981 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 3: to get on the bus to get to the to work. 982 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 3: They sent you the office where I ag let me 983 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 3: use some of his office space to work on my 984 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 3: business plan, and I miscounted. I thought I had more 985 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 3: change than I did to get on the bus and 986 00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 3: I was like, this is it. The bus driver let 987 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 3: me on anyway, And so it was those moments seeing 988 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 3: that guy like be nice to me, and it had 989 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,319 Speaker 3: nothing to do with my father or me. He you know, 990 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,879 Speaker 3: he was just like, yo, you's just some big, dark 991 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 3: dude and trying to get on the bus. And so 992 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 3: those moments changed me. 993 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. 994 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 2: All Right, so you open up the gym January twod 995 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,879 Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, and now, I mean you listed a whole 996 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 2: lot of other gyms, so obviously it's doing pretty well. 997 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. So right around about six months out, I literally 998 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 3: moved into the gym, and now five months out and 999 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,439 Speaker 3: I started pre selling, and I would four hundred dollars 1000 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 3: a pop, first and last, plus one hundred and fifty 1001 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,359 Speaker 3: dollars sign up fee, and we sold six hundred of those. Wow. 1002 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 3: And I did like five fifty of those myself, and 1003 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 3: I would just sell, sell, sell, sell, sell, sell sell, 1004 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 3: because I was like, we're gonna can't. I can't open 1005 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 3: up paying thirty k, you know. Yeah, And so we 1006 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 3: opened up cast well positive and then things have since 1007 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,040 Speaker 3: then business wise, they've been pretty. 1008 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty solid, pretty solid, I mean Atlanta yesterday. It's 1009 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 2: interesting because you really went from this time where your 1010 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 2: entire existence went revolved around being there for your dad, 1011 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 2: doing things for your dad, and then all of a sudden, 1012 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 2: like you wanted to do things for you, whether that 1013 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 2: was the weight loss or opening this gym. And I 1014 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 2: feel like you were so big on supporting him that 1015 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,919 Speaker 2: it must have been really difficult for you to feel 1016 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 2: like you didn't have his support in return. 1017 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 3: It was a really weird thing, really weird thing. And 1018 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,920 Speaker 3: it's so funny, man, because yeah, I look back in 1019 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 3: my entire life. My entire life was like like when 1020 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,840 Speaker 3: I was seven, I remember my dad would give me 1021 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 3: one hundred dollars for straight a's and I was like, man, 1022 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 3: I got to get that hundred dollars. And I remember 1023 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,839 Speaker 3: one time I came home and I got a bee 1024 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 3: and my mom was like she was counting on that 1025 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 3: one hundred dollars. She was like, you can't do this. 1026 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,919 Speaker 3: Bees are for you know what. I was like, Okay, 1027 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 3: I'll never do that again. And and so I was like, 1028 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 3: I got to get them trade a's to get the 1029 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 3: hundred dollars because my dad's going to be proud of me. 1030 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 3: And then so on and so forth, and like always 1031 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 3: just performing at a high level, speaking well or whatever 1032 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 3: it was because of my dad. But I looked up 1033 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 3: to my dad and these are all great things, good grades, 1034 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 3: speaking well, never getting in trouble and then went right 1035 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 3: into my professional career managing him and it was all 1036 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 3: about making sure like he was successful, but I was 1037 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,800 Speaker 3: successful on the way as well, and then fighting although 1038 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 3: it was all about me and it was it was 1039 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 3: about doing exactly what he told me to do. And 1040 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 3: so yeah, the menu and I'd stopped doing that. And 1041 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 3: it's so funny. I think it was a minute I 1042 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 3: started to gain his respect in a good way, but 1043 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 3: it was just it was weird for everybody, Like what 1044 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,439 Speaker 3: do we do in Monk's life? Is not all about dad? 1045 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,879 Speaker 3: You know? And the good news is I have had 1046 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,319 Speaker 3: three occasions when my dad grabbed me and sent me 1047 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 3: a text and said it verbally. He's like, man, you 1048 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 3: did this all on your own. You would have had 1049 00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 3: no other chance to do it. He's like, you can 1050 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,759 Speaker 3: finally say that you did something no one else helped you, 1051 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 3: because everybody's the thing. I did it. You did it 1052 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,320 Speaker 3: all on your own. I'm so proud of you. And 1053 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 3: he's told me that three times, so in hindsight, it 1054 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 3: was awesome. 1055 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 2: It's really special that you can recall all three times 1056 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 2: where he said that to you. 1057 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:14,919 Speaker 3: Yep. 1058 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 2: It's interesting to me though, because I feel like it 1059 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 2: almost makes me appreciate the relationships that I have, whether 1060 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 2: it's with my parents or with my friends, when they 1061 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 2: say things that like I'm so proud of you or 1062 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,480 Speaker 2: I support you, because I've lost track of that with 1063 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:31,960 Speaker 2: a lot of the people that I care about. 1064 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: So to think about this idea that. 1065 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 2: Your father has said this to you three specific times, 1066 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 2: it's mind blowing. 1067 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:40,320 Speaker 1: It's so mindful. 1068 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:41,799 Speaker 3: I didn't think about it to you said it. But 1069 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,320 Speaker 3: it's important to note those things, you know, sometimes you 1070 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 3: forget when you're upset with people. 1071 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: Totally all right. 1072 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,359 Speaker 2: So now we've built a successful business, We're feeling good. 1073 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 3: What I got off the couch? 1074 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: Got off the couch? Where's your primary home? 1075 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 3: Boston? 1076 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 1: Okay? 1077 00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 2: When you when you look back on building this business 1078 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,800 Speaker 2: so far, what would you say has been one of 1079 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,359 Speaker 2: the best pieces of advice that someone has offered you? 1080 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 3: I'd say too, I think I hate to give my 1081 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,880 Speaker 3: dad credit because but uh, I don't know why I 1082 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,400 Speaker 3: just get him in credit, you know what I mean, 1083 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,239 Speaker 3: because I know he's like yep, but I see two 1084 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,280 Speaker 3: pieces of advice actually too from two Georgia's One Guy's 1085 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 3: guy named George that ran a large internet company, and uh. Anyway, 1086 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 3: he told me get rid of non nonperformers, get rid 1087 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,480 Speaker 3: of no performers. But then he said he'll take his 1088 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 3: time with nonperformance. It got to get rid of him 1089 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,840 Speaker 3: quick because by the time you notice, other people in 1090 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,919 Speaker 3: the company notice and it affects their not only there, 1091 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,759 Speaker 3: so the person who's underperforming, but everybody else starts underperforming 1092 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,799 Speaker 3: and the other reasons. So get rid of them, but 1093 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 3: take your time, schedule an hour or two for a 1094 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 3: few weeks, and help that person find a place where 1095 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 3: they shine with another company if it's not within your company. 1096 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 3: So that's been great, and typically it is hard, but 1097 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,399 Speaker 3: when you take that extra effort to see somebody into 1098 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,960 Speaker 3: a place where they shine, you actually feel better than 1099 00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,680 Speaker 3: if you had let them stay in your organization and 1100 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 3: fast on their own. You know people underperforming, like that's 1101 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 3: the worst thing that can happen to a person in 1102 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 3: my opinion, and a professional organization and know they're underperforming. 1103 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,919 Speaker 3: Number two is tender loving care. I asked my dad once. 1104 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know how to open the 1105 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 3: next gym because I don't know why people are coming 1106 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 3: to this one. I was like, I have nicer treadmills 1107 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 3: and Equinox. You know. I always like, was like, I 1108 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,080 Speaker 3: got to make sure I can get an Equinox customer, 1109 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,840 Speaker 3: not that I knew about the business model. I was like, 1110 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,759 Speaker 3: I have shower, steam room, juice bar, physical therapy, I 1111 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,880 Speaker 3: have one hundred and forty classes a week. I have everything. 1112 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 3: So when I open the next one, do I just 1113 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 3: do everything? It could be a waste. They may only 1114 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,160 Speaker 3: be coming for one thing. And he said, what you 1115 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,400 Speaker 3: may find is that people are just coming for a 1116 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,920 Speaker 3: little tender, loving care. The way you make them feel. 1117 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,120 Speaker 3: He's like, they might just be coming for you. And 1118 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,640 Speaker 3: what he meant by that is the way you make 1119 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,800 Speaker 3: them feel. And he's like, you're trying to replicate energy 1120 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 3: and a swagger and a vibe. And I was like, 1121 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,960 Speaker 3: as long as you figure that out and people feel 1122 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 3: welcome when they walk in and motivate it on the 1123 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 3: way out, you shouldn't worry about opening the next gym 1124 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,799 Speaker 3: because it's about that, it's not about the treadmill. I'd say, 1125 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,400 Speaker 3: those two pieces of advice. 1126 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, I've got to ask you. I mean, 1127 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 2: you did just offer me a piece of advice that 1128 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:07,960 Speaker 2: your father gave you. 1129 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,920 Speaker 1: But I feel like you, unlike a lot of kids. 1130 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,239 Speaker 2: Growing up, and especially like during those teenage years, I 1131 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 2: feel like you like look for independence, you try to 1132 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 2: get away from your parents, but literally during the height 1133 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,319 Speaker 2: of your teenage years, and like, as you're becoming like 1134 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,719 Speaker 2: a young man, you are spending so much time with 1135 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,440 Speaker 2: your dad. Yeah, when you think about that time, is 1136 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 2: there anything specific that stood out to you, like a 1137 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 2: lesson that you learned as you were coming of age? 1138 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,600 Speaker 3: There's so many We spent so many hours talking like 1139 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,719 Speaker 3: he made me read like Warren Peace when I was 1140 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 3: like eighteen or something, you know, like yeah, and we 1141 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,879 Speaker 3: talk about it on our like so many hours, man, 1142 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 3: But observing how things play out year after year and 1143 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,279 Speaker 3: being able to sit and talk to it four years 1144 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 3: later with your dad and you guys were talking about 1145 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,919 Speaker 3: it four years before in business. But I would say, 1146 00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:00,440 Speaker 3: if I look back, it was pattern recognition. Big on 1147 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:05,759 Speaker 3: that pattern recognition, taking notes so you can have the 1148 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,560 Speaker 3: ability to recognize patterns and reflect on them and plan 1149 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 3: for the future. And patience, man, patience, patience, patience, patience. 1150 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you a funny story that I'll help 1151 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,720 Speaker 3: you remember his take on it and what he passed 1152 00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,319 Speaker 3: on to me his sparring partners. Glad I got to 1153 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,480 Speaker 3: box that I would have never taken this lesson full 1154 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,239 Speaker 3: full circle. He had a sparing partner that would fight. 1155 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,960 Speaker 3: He sparred with my dad. Well, my dad was active 1156 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,080 Speaker 3: and then he stayed healthy enough to be my sparting 1157 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,319 Speaker 3: partner when I was training and he said, your dad 1158 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,200 Speaker 3: is uh. He said, George, you got to watch out 1159 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,080 Speaker 3: for him because mostly when you spar and you box 1160 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,600 Speaker 3: right it, guy hits you with a good shot and 1161 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,920 Speaker 3: everybody hits a guy back right away. He said, George, 1162 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:51,480 Speaker 3: wait two weeks before he gets you. And you know 1163 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,960 Speaker 3: that that's something I learned from him, just the patience 1164 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 3: and you know, if there's going to be any reconciliation, 1165 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,240 Speaker 3: like don't do it when people though you know, yeah, 1166 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,080 Speaker 3: and by the time you decide to do a boxing 1167 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:04,759 Speaker 3: is different. You gotta get them back, but by the 1168 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,919 Speaker 3: time you decide to do it, you typically find out 1169 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,800 Speaker 3: that it wasn't that important anyway. And the full circle 1170 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,040 Speaker 3: on that is forgiveness. 1171 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you just had a baby, right. 1172 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, how does that forgiveness? 1173 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 2: I was going to say, well, like, what do you 1174 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 2: want to pass on to your forgiveness. 1175 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:28,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, forgiveness, forgiveness, forgiveness, forgiveness. I mean, my favorite saying 1176 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,799 Speaker 3: is uh, forgiveness is a subtle thread that bonds both 1177 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,239 Speaker 3: love and friendship. And I think without that, who are we? 1178 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,400 Speaker 3: Without the people around us? You're gonna have to forgive 1179 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,160 Speaker 3: somebody in your life, especially the people close, because they 1180 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,239 Speaker 3: get the ability to hurt you the best. So I think, well, 1181 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 3: my daughter, it's more about I need her to forgive me. 1182 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,759 Speaker 3: I already know I'm a helicopter dad times ten. So 1183 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,040 Speaker 3: forgiveness I love it. 1184 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,320 Speaker 1: Okay, winding down here the final question. 1185 00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,279 Speaker 2: I asked all my guests right now, if you had 1186 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,440 Speaker 2: the opportunity to offer yourself one piece of advice that 1187 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:07,000 Speaker 2: George who's almost three hundred pounds, he's doing everything he 1188 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,200 Speaker 2: can for his dad, but he is not happy and 1189 00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,919 Speaker 2: he knows that he needs to make a change. What 1190 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,839 Speaker 2: piece of advice do you give that guy? Looking back 1191 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,400 Speaker 2: on that time in your life right now. 1192 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,240 Speaker 3: Cut the cord. Cut the cord, any cord that's attached 1193 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,120 Speaker 3: to you, that's holding you back. You know, you thinkure 1194 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 3: about a big pipe, right and you attach a little 1195 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,319 Speaker 3: pipe on the side and suck a little water out 1196 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,399 Speaker 3: of it, then another and another. You have this big 1197 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,120 Speaker 3: eight inch pipe. But by the time you have all 1198 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,840 Speaker 3: these little hoses poking at the end of that pipe, 1199 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,880 Speaker 3: where your goals are and your dreams are, I'd say, 1200 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,880 Speaker 3: there's nothing left right And that's where your happiness is at, 1201 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,399 Speaker 3: the ability to have some pressure, some force. So cut 1202 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,880 Speaker 3: the chords. Anybody you have to cut the cord on, 1203 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,879 Speaker 3: Sit down with them, give him a hug, like love them, 1204 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,880 Speaker 3: put a picture of them on your wall. But if 1205 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,480 Speaker 3: you need to cut the cord on someone who's sucking 1206 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,640 Speaker 3: you dry, you got to do it quick, swift and 1207 00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,480 Speaker 3: now like swift and deadly to me means like saw 1208 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,400 Speaker 3: somebody's arm off, Just chop it, cut the cord. And 1209 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:08,200 Speaker 3: then secondly is look at conflicts as an ability to 1210 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,719 Speaker 3: make all your relationships stronger. It's the shirt. If you can, 1211 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,319 Speaker 3: you're not always gonna nail it. But conflict to me, 1212 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,880 Speaker 3: on the other side of conflict is growth when you 1213 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,200 Speaker 3: face it head on with the goal of ending on 1214 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,080 Speaker 3: the other side friends and family. So just like like 1215 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,839 Speaker 3: get good at resolving conflict, Like there's books on it, 1216 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,160 Speaker 3: and I think those are the two things, Like I 1217 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,160 Speaker 3: didn't know there was a book on conflict resolution. I 1218 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 3: wish I had read that. Cut the chords, resolve conflict 1219 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,479 Speaker 3: and follow your love, man, follow your path, your dream, 1220 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,240 Speaker 3: your north star. Like fast. 1221 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,200 Speaker 2: Now, where's any spoiler alert somewhere? 1222 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,440 Speaker 1: The next EBF is going to be I want one 1223 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,520 Speaker 1: on every corner, every corner, seriously, like I think a 1224 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,720 Speaker 1: boxing I'm sorry, I want to boxing you on every corner. 1225 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,600 Speaker 3: So to the extent I can be a part of 1226 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,600 Speaker 3: supplying even just motivation for p but to open more 1227 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,720 Speaker 3: boxing gyms. That's what to me. It's all about. 1228 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you so much for giving me 1229 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:05,959 Speaker 1: your time. 1230 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:06,440 Speaker 3: Thank you. 1231 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:07,200 Speaker 1: This is dope. 1232 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,040 Speaker 2: Please take a moment and leave a quick review by 1233 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,400 Speaker 2: clicking the link with the description to this episode. We 1234 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,239 Speaker 2: all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to hear 1235 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,600 Speaker 2: about yours. Reach Out to me at Emily at Hurdle 1236 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,840 Speaker 2: dot Us. Connect to the podcast on Instagram and Twitter 1237 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,160 Speaker 2: at Hurdle Podcast. 1238 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,360 Speaker 1: George, where do they find you? Where do they find EBF? 1239 00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:26,160 Speaker 1: Give me the rundown. 1240 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,960 Speaker 3: I'm everybody fights Everything and George forman the third pretty 1241 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,840 Speaker 3: transparent reach out please awesome. 1242 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,959 Speaker 2: I am at Emily a body another hurdle conquered. Catch 1243 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:38,719 Speaker 2: you guys next time.