1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: Welcome. You are now listening to the Professional Professional. Hey guys, 2 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: welcome to this week's episode of the PhD podcast. Is 3 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: your girl eben A and I'm super excited about this 4 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: week's episode. Before we begin, please keep in mind to 5 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: follow me on Instagram at the Professional home Girl, at 6 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: the PSD podcast, and last when my least at eban 7 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: a Beauty. Please remember that all of my guests are anonymous. 8 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: So let's begin this week's episode. So I am sitting 9 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: here where living legend. You want me to be a 10 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: miss Okay, I'll be anonymous. That's gonna be hard. I 11 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: was gonna explain I feel she got me in the 12 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: heart of parlorm uh Stock and Rick Walls Green stop 13 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: on what So I met her? Why han't I didn't 14 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: meet you at the panel? By her her speaking in 15 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: the panel, and her story was just so inspirational. I 16 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: was talking her for like almost two three months now, 17 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: so she we was missing each other. I wasn't talking 18 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: to her, but I was like, I gotta get her 19 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: on the podcast. So with that being said, I want 20 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: to make sure that introduced to y'all somebody that's very inspirational. 21 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: I think her story is gonna really expire all of 22 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: the listeners out there. So let's get started. Um, So 23 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: let's start from the very beginning. So I did my 24 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: homework on ye. They're a lot of research on you. 25 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: And I know you came to the Bronx with your 26 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: parents when you was two years old. So tell us 27 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: a little bit about your upbringing. So you know, I 28 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: grew up in the South Bronch. My mother was from Cincinnati, Ohio. 29 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: My father was from Cincinnati, Ohio, and they decided my 30 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: mother was a young pregnant mother. She had me a fifteen, 31 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: and so my father was seventeen, and they decided they 32 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: wanted to come to the big city. And my father 33 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: came first and my mother followed behind him. And then 34 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: I grew up on the Whole Avenue in the beginning, 35 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: and then we moved to my Haven Projects in the 36 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: South Bronx and that's where I had most of my 37 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: I had most of my youth experiences in the South Bronx. 38 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: About Haven Taff High School PS One forty nine, Yeah, 39 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: PS fifty nine right, not really forty nine not released 40 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: right over to fifty Bridge, Manhattan Bridge, So you know 41 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: it's local. So I know you was introduced to Harlem 42 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: and you fell in love with it. Yes, it was 43 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: harm because you're still living Harlan, Yes, I still living 44 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: on I don't know, I guess because it was My 45 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: girlfriend named was Sanna, and she was dating a gentleman 46 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: whom the cod company UH called Reckord King Audio. Um 47 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: not what that was in the recording record company. It 48 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: was a record store and it was right on one 49 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: between seven and eighth Avenue, and I would come there 50 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: every day to see her, and then I wind up 51 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: she offered me a job and I wind up working there. 52 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: And so I started there at the one street and 53 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: then they moved me down and and my voss was 54 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: a gentleman named Russell Patterson and Stewart Bascom from Black 55 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: Ivory from the ground don't tell her the mainline. So, 56 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: I mean I met a lot of music industry people 57 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: in both Record King Audios. One was between seventh and Nathan, 58 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: the other one was between eight and St. Nicholas. So 59 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: I had the opportunity meeting a lot of you know, 60 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: old school singers back then. You know, hip hop was 61 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: different back then too. You know you had k R Yeah, 62 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: Tyllie quality. So we had some you know really great. Great. 63 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: You know, we had a great hip hop movement. I'm 64 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: not saying it's not that great now, but the music 65 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: is different, the messages are different, and so you know 66 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: I love hip hop, then you don't live it now. 67 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: It's all right, I don't understand half the things to 68 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: be saying. The beat is good, but I think, you know, 69 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: we have so much more that we can talk about 70 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: in our songs versus having younger You know, the other day, 71 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: I was watching I was watching the video show I'm 72 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: not gonna say the name, and I was like, Wow, 73 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: every artist, whether it was hard hard and be a 74 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: hip hop, they all had girls crawling up the bed 75 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: or on the poles. I said, oh my god, you know, 76 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: we've been reduced as women. We've been reduced to just 77 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: crawling on the bed and it's very sexualized. Yeah, and 78 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: and running down the poles. I just thought that, you know, 79 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: the music has really really changed. Um. So, I know, 80 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: before he became a successful promoter, he was also a 81 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: very successful my Yes, ma'am, My show was I was with. 82 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: I was with a modeling agency called pat Evans. Pet 83 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: Evans was also one of the models that was represented 84 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: on Ohio Players album. So she was the ball headed 85 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: model and that's you know, everybody really respected her because 86 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 1: she termed that that that stereotypical look and had a 87 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: ball head, and you know, people was not ready for that, 88 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: but she created a movement. So how did you get 89 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: into it? Because I thought he was read that she 90 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: was modeling for Ebony, he was modelling for McDonald stop modeling, 91 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: bud wise and I and I did the first optimum 92 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: optimum relaxer I did and the woman name was Olive Vin. 93 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: Since she has passed on now, but she gave me 94 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: my first big, big, big campaign with Soft Shame, and 95 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: that was a relaxing core Optimum and they had all 96 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: these different haircare probably. So I've been blessed to be 97 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: able to, you know, be a chameleon, having so and 98 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: so everything every bar. Tend to waitress at the sell 99 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: A restaurant on ninety fish three, but I worked at Sylvia's. 100 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: I worked at Melbourne's on Tuesday nights. Yeah, so I 101 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: had the opportunity. Who work, you know in catering as 102 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: well as in music, you know, so and it all 103 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: shaped me wanting to be a promoter, you know, later 104 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: on down the line. So seg waiting into that. How 105 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: did you transition into being a promoter because you was 106 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: like probably the only successful female promoter during that time. Yeah, 107 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: but you know, because of my my strong connections to 108 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 1: the music industry like A two made, you know, Dougie Fresh, 109 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: Big Owl, all the string cats up in Hall m 110 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: and you know me having those kind of connections. Puffy 111 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: and I would see new talent, you know, so hungry 112 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: to meet Andre Hobrous and Russell Simmons and not having 113 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: the opportunity, being that they were my friends, I would 114 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: put the shows on it and invite them to come. 115 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: And then they became bigger than that friends that I 116 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: met then became A and RS at Record Company, universital M, 117 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: c ADVI Tades and the Secir Thompson's and the Rob 118 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: Loves and the O J. Wed Laws. They when they 119 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: when their new artists would come, they were like, Okay, 120 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: let's see how the audience at large receives our new artists. 121 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: So that's what A and R was really about back then. 122 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: You know, will they will put with this particular group 123 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: of people that was their team, and the team would 124 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: help do with their hand makeup and developed them who 125 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: they were. You don't have that no more. They want 126 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: instant stars. That everything is an instant instagram. You know, 127 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: nobody's nobody's patient, nobody wants to wait on anything. And 128 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: you know that's the really really, you know, it's kind 129 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: of signs. You know, my grandmothers used to say, you know, 130 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: these are the last days. I don't know if they're 131 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,239 Speaker 1: the last as we have a lot of work to do. 132 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: There are a lot of work to do. There's a 133 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: lot of hopelessness, and you know, prayerfully we can pray 134 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: and bring hope back in our community. Um, just the 135 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: same way. It's another question because I know from just 136 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: reading about you your really big entrepreneurship and only your 137 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: own and like building the community. So how important is 138 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: it for young women to network? Because I feel like 139 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people network is your net worth? Yeah, 140 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: I always say that it's very important that you not 141 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: only meet the people that's in your small circle, but 142 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: you you take your your your fishing rod and you 143 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: throw it into the sea and meet so many other people. 144 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: Like there's so many different fishing to see. There's so 145 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: many people to meet in life. You know, people that 146 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: we might not might not be UM important to you now, 147 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: but they don't down the line. And then you build 148 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: with other young people and you know, somebody might be 149 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: go if I te here, and somebody might have you know, 150 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: management or publicity if you know, going to school for that, 151 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: and you'll come together and you create a business. So 152 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: it's very important to your like we said, your network 153 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: is net worth. But I also feel like he was 154 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: also popular back in the data. I mean, you're still 155 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: popular now, but like in the nineties, because I felt 156 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: like being that you were so popular, everybody you would 157 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 1: like to go to for almost everything. Yeah, show was 158 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: to go to for everything. But I don't want I 159 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: don't want people to get you know. I mean, popular 160 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: is not a major factor or a components. Absolutely, if 161 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: you're hard working and you're dedicating, is going to happen. 162 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: Persistency is very important and being consistent is very important. 163 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: And that's what made Mad Wednesday is so unique. Mad 164 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: Wednesday was a dream of mine. I had already been 165 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: doing fashion shows, and I had already been asking people 166 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: like Alison Williams and Arn't Hus Jones and I would 167 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: do the fashion show that I would have like talent afterwards, 168 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: and then I had to friend of mine that was 169 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: at sugar Ball, not sugar Bard Sweet Waters in sixty 170 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: in Amsterdam. She was like, you should do your own show. 171 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: You should do your own show. And I was like, nah, 172 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: Now she nagged me down, And so I decided in 173 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: March of to create Mad Wednesdays. And I did it 174 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: on a weekly basis a man was. It was a 175 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: showcase that involved not only the local community artists but 176 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: also new artists. So I've had Brandy, I've been on 177 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: jay Z's album jay Ze. Every time they mentioned name, 178 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: they always mentioned reason that you know in Monica and 179 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: Brandy and Anthony Hamilton's And I've also had comedians Mike Epps, 180 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: Bill Bella. Me because I had a relationship with a 181 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: good friend of mine named Bob Sumner, who was also 182 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: the spearhead of Deaf Comedy Jam. He would have comedy 183 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: shows at the Peppermint Lounge back in New Jersey Is 184 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: back in the day. And it was you know, that's 185 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: like you said, how important is for you to go 186 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: out and meet other people? And you know, having all 187 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: these different connections helped me, you know, and me bringing 188 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: moving Mad Wednesday to the forefront. Why do you think 189 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: that your partners were so successful. I know you had 190 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: like a non tolerant rule where people smoking don't let 191 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: me catch your smoking weed, because if I caught you 192 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: smoking weed, I would kick you out like Keith Murray 193 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: and some of the other people that I had to do. 194 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: And to me, it was a community movement, but I 195 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: didn't understand that at the time. It was to me 196 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: it was about the music industry and connecting young people. 197 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: So in my young mind, I didn't know it was 198 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: a community movement that would last so many years. And so, 199 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: you know, I thought it was about Mad Wednesday. But 200 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, God was setting me 201 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: up for the stage and the platform that I have. 202 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: Now what we wanna talk about? I feel like it's 203 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: what's your life? Because you are older woman's I look 204 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: at you, guys, O G gives you as my elder 205 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: my mentors. I feel like you're just your life was 206 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: just so like dynamic and it's so colorful. So when 207 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: I heard your story, I was just like wow, like 208 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: and then I read about you like I think all 209 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: the guess that I was just reading about you, and 210 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: I was just so amazed because it's like, you know, 211 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: a lot of times when you faced with adversity, just 212 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: like how do you keep your faith? Which I'm gonna 213 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: talk to you about lab So, um, it looks like 214 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: one of your favorite memories back then because I feel 215 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: like he was the only woman. I think it was 216 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: somebody else she mentioned she was Jewish, that was kind 217 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: of trying to do the same thing he was doing. Yes, yes, 218 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: Jessica Rosen Blue Jessica, Yeah, but I feel like you 219 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: were the only I'm the one that kid about my people, 220 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: they kid about money because you was doing like parties 221 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: for basketball players. You just shout out to my friend 222 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: Mike Dean was Mike the barber who put my son's hair, 223 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: and he was cutting the hair of all the basketball players. 224 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: So I had I did Charles openly birthday party. I 225 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: did Rod Strickland's birthday party. And you know, I still 226 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: have connections. They're my friends. Yeah there. Um. So one 227 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: of the things that I'm really excited about what I 228 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: read about you because I remember listening to this CD 229 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: when I was a kid, and I remember hearing your 230 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: voice and I'm like, who is this woman? Because exactly 231 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: it's so funny. I feel like life is having like 232 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: a full circum moment to be sitting here and talking 233 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: to you because you was on Um, I guess one 234 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: of the hip hop's like greatest albums, like the classic 235 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: classic jay Z's Reasonable Doubt. I want to get the 236 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: song away. But um, how did that come about? Because 237 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: they loved that I put people out of the club, 238 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: So they just thought there was fascinated by that. Right, 239 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: if you got a calm, the sense, you can be 240 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: able to realize what a song is. Twenty two twos 241 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: was my favorite song. So that's why they put yeah yeah. 242 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: Because every time jay Z would come to Sweet Waters 243 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: and Social Country flock like jee you gotta do my 244 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: favorite song tunes and so that I mean, that's my 245 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: song I requested every time he came by, and so 246 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: that they decided to put me going. People think it 247 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: was in the club, but it was in the studio 248 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: D and D studio. People like I was there and 249 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: he was like nobody was there because it was at studio. 250 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: When people say that to me, I'll let them, you know, 251 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: I let them have their day. I was there. I 252 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: knew when you kicked that guy out, you told him. 253 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: But it was in the studio. So that's the fun 254 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: thing of it. You know, I let people have their 255 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: moments if they because it was moments like that. So 256 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: people didn't literally sound like it was in the club, 257 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: but it was moments like that all the time. So 258 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: they yes, it was moments like that all the time, 259 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: so they understand why they felt that they were there 260 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: because I because you know, first of all, I was 261 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: shut this place down. Like I told a guy he said, 262 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: shot that farm, and I said, who told me this? 263 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: And him him, and I'm like, I'm not gonna finish 264 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: my show until you get him out now. And then 265 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: they got to see forty five minutes speech and then 266 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: people It was so funny because people would tell on 267 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: people who they knew was getting ready to smoke weed. 268 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: And I was also having a good time. Yeah yeah, 269 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: those are good, Oh my god. And I did not 270 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: have that rope stuff going on when the artists. When 271 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: the artists came in, they mingled with everybody, or anybody 272 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: came in there, they mingled with the artists. You miss 273 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: that absolutely. Now you got they got special sections and 274 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: the artist goal and they sit there. But to me, 275 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: it's the people that make you who you are. What 276 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: do you think made that change? Money? See, because when 277 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: we were hip hop first started, nobody believed and it 278 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: was a poor man's music industry. And now you know, 279 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: hip hop is all over the world and everybody's hip. 280 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: Everybody was on the hip hop right now. You got 281 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: the Japanese guy that was that Japanese group. I was like, 282 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: why do they look like robots to me? But the girls, 283 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: girls are going crazy over them, going crazy over them. 284 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: Um in that was the year that changed your life. 285 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: Tell us about how you found out you was HIV 286 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: positive through a life insurance policy. I wanted the policy 287 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: that would take care of my children if anything happened 288 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: to me. And so a friend of mine actually from Sylvius, 289 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: who was an insurance man, so he was trying to 290 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: do this re coin. He asked him to do insurance 291 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: policy for me, and they came to my house. You 292 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: know back then and I think even now, you cannot 293 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: have any pre existing conditions. So one was aids and 294 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: other one was canceled. And so the man was like, um, 295 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: do you have ADE. I was like, age, that's a gay, 296 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: white man's disease. Of course, I'm no, damn age, what 297 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: are you talking about? He's like, so you had to 298 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: take a test. And about ten days later, right before 299 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: my birthday. I will never forget I received the results 300 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: in the mail, Savory to inform you that you have 301 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: the HIV antibody. Please go and seek help. I don't 302 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: think I ever remember reading this. I'm asking me, respectfully, 303 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: do you don't gave it to absolutely? It was the 304 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: guy I was dating. He was from Jamaica, Western Negrille. Please, 305 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: I am not saying anybody in Jamaica, everybody in Jamaica, 306 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: guy Age. I'm just saying he was from the island. 307 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: And you know he wasn't truthful. He wasn't up front 308 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: and honest. Because at the time when you found out, 309 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: you was also engaged. I was gone, yea. So I 310 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: feel like back then at that time, like you said, 311 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: because it was everybody thought there was a white man's 312 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: disease until it took us all by surprise exactly. So 313 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: how was your reaction when you first found out, because 314 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: I know you was like devastated. I know that you 315 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: reading in the post office because I had to pick 316 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: the letter up from the post office. We was certified mail, 317 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: so I had to go pick it up signed for 318 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought it was the landlord 319 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: sending me an eviction. Noticed never in my wildest dreams 320 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: that I think I thought that it was the results 321 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: back telling me that I was a HIV positive And so, 322 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: you know, I would read the letter and I wrote 323 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: on it, this is not true. I still have the letter. 324 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: This is not true. God has something, because that's the 325 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: thing that changed my life. So whenever I talked to 326 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: people about it. And I want to also remember that 327 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: although those were dog times, God still had my back. 328 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: So you know, that's important for us to remember that 329 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: God is a god of a first chance, a second chance, 330 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: a third chance, and he keeps going and going and 331 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: going and going. And you know that is the thing 332 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: that kept me, kept me going and ket gave me strength. 333 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: And I had two children at the time, and it's 334 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: so funny. I really didn't think about my children. I 335 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, the music industry, but what 336 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: people think of me? Until the gentleman said to me, 337 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: because I wouldn't take any medications, Yeah, I know, you said, 338 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: it's like almost three years. He's like almost nineties on pounds, 339 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: three t cells. Wow. And so the gentleman I was 340 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: going to this organization called Friends Indeed and It was 341 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: this support group that I would go to down on 342 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: Broadway like once or twice a week, and I had 343 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: to go there. There's mainly white field folks, gay white 344 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: man but that's who taught me. And that's what because 345 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: black people I didn't know no black people had because 346 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 1: of the stigma. If I was saying, oh I got HIV, 347 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: nobody why didn't take you so long to like finally 348 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: like make that change, like yeah, taking take the medicine 349 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: and stuff. Because almost three years I got MAC. I 350 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: contracted opportunistic infection called micro avian Bacterium complex, and not 351 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: only did I have it in my blood stream, I 352 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: had it in my bone metal. So I was very, 353 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: very very very sick. And at that time they tried 354 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: to start me with medic patients, but they it could 355 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: because what happens is when they whatever the infection is, 356 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: they need to treat the infection first and then put 357 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: you on medications because the medicine. But I have marks 358 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: all over my face. I was so weak because Matt 359 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: made you fat because you had a fever every day. 360 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: So every day I had a fever, punching it for morning, noon, 361 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: and nights, sweating out at nighttime sweating out like four 362 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: and five pairs of the jamas that I had to 363 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: have ivy permanent pickline that yeah, it's good, that's good. Um, 364 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: So what was some steps you talk intil become a 365 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: proactive in your healing process? Find out about my own disease. 366 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: That's the first thing you can't You can't become powerful 367 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: if you don't know what you're going through. So I 368 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: started reading up. I started looking for people that were 369 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: like matriarchs in this HIV world, and that was Debora 370 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: Fraser Hous was my good friend that used to come 371 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: to all my parties. Debora Levine. I read about her 372 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: and um mother Ella that worked at Harlem United and 373 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: Ms Ms Moon who was rand Home I'm United. But 374 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: she was also in the church that I went to, 375 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: Canaan Baptist church at the time, and she kind of 376 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: orchestrated me and then my doctor Dr Mac I had 377 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: her at Ryan in the beginning, but once how became effected, 378 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: she couldn't take care of me no more because she 379 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: was not an infectious disease doctor. But now then a 380 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: couple of years later she became infectious disease doctor and 381 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: she took care of me, my children, my son and 382 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: my daughter. I know you actually was very um like 383 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: he was very big and influential in the music industry. 384 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: So how did you How did you feel when people 385 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: were moving different with you? Oh, very badly, anybody, you know. 386 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, First of all, God 387 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: is your main friend, and secondly, you find out who 388 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: your friends are. Just go to you something right. That 389 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: is true when you have your worst. Everybody loves you 390 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: when you on the top, But when you get out 391 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: and get down on the bottom, that's when you find 392 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: out who your real true friends are. Any friends that 393 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: you forgave that you're still friends right now, mainly on 394 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: the music industry. Because I was like a girl. I 395 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: was laying in the hospital bed thinking Queen and my 396 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: teeth was gonna calm. I thought jay Z was gonna calm. 397 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: I thought, why you look? I thought, But you know, 398 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: King read alert some of my diet. You tad some 399 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: of my very long time Janice when wee Robinson, did 400 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: you Fisher Camp? Um, Johnny Camp? You know, rest in 401 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: peace to Johnny Camp And Uh, it was a lot 402 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: of hope, it was. It was quite a few. My 403 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: good friend, um Benny pew Um Puffy hearing there, but 404 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: those are the main friends. Epps. You know, he took 405 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: him Bob Sum, so there was some real pulla, but 406 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,719 Speaker 1: you know, those were the people that had been longtime 407 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: relationships for two shell Um Shadeless, Scott from Kissing Fam 408 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: Her and Lenny Green have been very supportive of me. 409 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: I remember when I first was in this book called 410 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: Souls with my Sisters. I read about that book and 411 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: that was my first time that I told my story 412 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: about living with HIV, and I will I will never 413 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: forget it because it's a a compilation of seventy two 414 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: women in new book, and we all tell our journeys, 415 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: and I'll never forget what we our. First one Patilia 416 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: from Sylvie's was there because they did your food. It 417 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: was a big book signing. It was in New Jersey, 418 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: and I got as I got over and closer to 419 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: the venue, I was like, oh, man, maybe I shouldn't 420 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: do this, maybe I shouldn't talk about it. But it 421 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: was too late then, so it was not a dry 422 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: eye in the whole place. But I feel like when 423 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: you talked when I heard you at the panel and 424 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: I was standing in the audience, and I feel like 425 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: as soon as you started talking to your story and 426 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: then more women of a certain age start coming out, 427 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: and I was just like wow, because I'm not used 428 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: to seeing a lot of older women coming out and 429 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: sharing their stories and the stuff that they've been through. 430 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: So that sounds like nine. I get this moment on 431 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: this podcast because I think that you made women feel 432 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: comfortable with sharing their stories. And Yeah, no matter what 433 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: it is, it doesn't necessarily we have to be HIV. 434 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: It just has to be a dog place that you're 435 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: in and know that there's hope and you can and 436 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: you can overcome any obstacle. You just have to believe 437 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: you can overcome the obstacle. Right, So you had HIV 438 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: for almost for eighteen years now, no age years, HIV 439 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: for three years, three years. I was diagnosed in so 440 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: December made twenty years living with AIDS and HIV nine 441 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: and then I was diagnosed with age and nineteen ninety nine. 442 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: So how haven't you been able to keep your faith 443 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: through it all? First of all, the people that you 444 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: surround yourself with, you know, I try to surround myself 445 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: with people that are, yeah, you know, in the same 446 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: faith of you know, we walked the same path. You know, 447 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: you don't have to be no holy roller, throw down 448 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: on the floor and speaking in tongues, but you have 449 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: to have a heart and compassion and love for people 450 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: and for yourself. So you know that's very important. And 451 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: then the leadership. You know, I started with my HIV 452 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: and cane in Baptist churchill with succeed under the leadership 453 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: of y T. Walker. Look him my partner, he was. 454 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: He's a beast past the hy T Walker. He's no 455 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: longer with us, but that's who changed my life about 456 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: understanding and knowing that I can live with the virus 457 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: and my cane and family. And then when they started 458 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: getting funny and stuff that I went over the first 459 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: community back, but by that time why T Walker was gone. Um. 460 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: One thing I want to talk to you about is 461 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: like nottal health because I felt like a lot of 462 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: people in our community don't talk about like nontal health 463 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: and like the things that traumatized us. As he was 464 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: going up and like I go to therapy, like I 465 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: love my therapist, Like she's like I have to find 466 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: me one I do have to find. I'm gonna give 467 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: you my therapist. Woman of color, older lady like, she's 468 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: so bombed. And we were just talking about that there's 469 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: not enough people of color in this industry. And so 470 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: we were told the other day that when we want 471 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: a psycho, when we want a therapist, we can ask 472 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: for a black one and they have to find Oh yeah, 473 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: because I had a white therapist. I don't think she 474 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: was just they were connection exactly. But when my therapist 475 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: now like she's just so dope, like, so I'm gonna 476 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: give you her information. So I'm gonna trying to look 477 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: out for you. But mental health, you know, all of us, 478 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: but you can just asker my question. All of us 479 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: are I guess I bad away from being crazy because 480 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: we've been traumatized from slavery. We're still suffering that, so 481 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: on top of everything else and being mistreated because of 482 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: our skin color, sexism with black women, everybody want to 483 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: sleep with us, and you're like, look that held up 484 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: is like a sexual object, not only by black men 485 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: but also by white men, you know, and how to 486 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: rape us as women. And not only did we be 487 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: our own children, we had to be other people's children too. 488 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: And you know, all these years of pounding and pounding 489 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: and pounding on us. Some of us break and go crazy. 490 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: And you know it's you have to read positive affirmations. 491 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: And I ain't saying it's easy, but you know, you 492 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: have to know inside that you were created for greatness. 493 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: And if you don't understand that you were created with greatness, 494 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: everything else falls apart. And you know, my grandmother and 495 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: my grandfather going down to Lynchburg, Virginia every summer when 496 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: we got out of school, we left and we went 497 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: to Lynchburg, Virginia. All of those kind of things are 498 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: important in the scheme of things in our foundation. And 499 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: it's yes, and your foundation is so important. You don't 500 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: have a strong foundation, and foundation won't won't last. So 501 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: how do you take her your mental health? I told 502 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 1: you I need to find it through. Yeah, I think 503 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: you still bother you now. Absolutely. Me and my duty 504 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: just had it out real bad and she said some 505 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 1: very negative things, and thank going, one of my girlfriends 506 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: was around. She was like, that's not about her, you, 507 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: That's about her and all the issues that she's going through. So, yeah, 508 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: you know, this is off the topic, but I'm just 509 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: curious to ask you because, like I said, you my 510 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: o G so I shared in my previous episodes that 511 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: I don't have a good relation show with my mother, 512 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: and my mother was very like toxic, very she's to 513 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: physically abuse me all this other stuff. How do you 514 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: feel about the mother and during a dynamics within our community, 515 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: because I feel like everybody got something going on with 516 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: a mom and it's just like a it's an ongoing thing. 517 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: Like you've probably had something with your mom. And even 518 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: like when I was reading a story with like your 519 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: mom and she was younger and she was, you know, 520 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: looking for love and all this other stuff, then like 521 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: certain things I passed down because it's like a generational curse. Absolutely, 522 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? I just think that 523 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: we live in a very toxic world, and I believe 524 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: evil is everywhere, and I believe we have an over 525 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: abundance of evil. And when people are not faithful, you know, 526 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: nobody believes in God anymore. They believe that. You know, 527 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: you can worship at home, but the most important thing 528 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: about worshiping is connecting with other people that have the 529 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: same mindset that you like minds. It's so important that 530 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: when you want to cry, that you have a support 531 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: system of community of sisters and mothers who look after 532 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: each other. And that's you know, And I tell people 533 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: all the time, the church played an important role in 534 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: the slavery movement. That's where they met and had meetings 535 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: in the church. That's like this the slave that time. Yes, 536 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: all the meetings would only church, because why the folks 537 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't come and mess with them at the church. They'd 538 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: be like, oh, they can't read it, write the amnigroos 539 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: can't read it. But they don't even know that they 540 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: was reading it, writing and planning having And I just 541 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: feel we lost all of that along the way because 542 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: some of us are so consumed with things and consumed 543 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: with with social media, and people can't even put their 544 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: phones down for a day. I don't think they can 545 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: put their phones down for five minutes or five seconds 546 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: because their phone is your every every everything, and the 547 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: phone is not the connection. Because when you're going through 548 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: tough times, it ain't nothing that phone can do for you. 549 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: There's nothing that social media can do for you. There's 550 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: nothing nobody can do for you. You have to take 551 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: your concerns and and give it to God. So you 552 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: think we're gonna bring it back to that place soon 553 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: as a community one, you know, if we can do 554 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: one mother and go that time. Yeah, that's a lot 555 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: of damage. That's a lot of damage in our community 556 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: years and years and years. And I tell people Willie 557 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: Lynch and them did a good job on us. They 558 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: did a great job to the point that they don't 559 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: even have to do it no more because we're going 560 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: to each other. We hate each other, and you know 561 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: that's you know, it's very sad thing. But I love 562 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: my people, and as long as I'm living and I 563 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: have breath, I'm gonna always try to, you know, help 564 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: the community be and become a better community. Help my 565 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: younger brothers and sisters to understand how important they are. 566 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: You know, we need to be whispering that in their ears, 567 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: every single gay, how important you were made for greatness. 568 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: God loves you when nobody else loves you, is you 569 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: and God against the world. You know, those are the 570 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: messages that we have to give our young people and 571 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: give our family members and our friends that are struggled 572 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: or whatever they're struggling with, domestic violence, not only HIV, 573 00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: the high blood fresh cancer, you know, overall health over Wow, 574 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: what do you want your legacy to be? That's an 575 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: interesting thing. Somebody told me to even understand how you 576 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,959 Speaker 1: are to the community. I was like, I don't think 577 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: you understand. I'm not gonna lie when I first heard 578 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: when I first met your on the panel, like, I 579 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: knew about you, but I didn't know about you. And 580 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: I feel like when I did my research and stuff, 581 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, this is like when you know, 582 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: the legacy is that you leave information and you're able 583 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: to empower. You know, I have two grandchildren, so that 584 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: I'm able to empower and leave them something. So I 585 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: need to work on my book and do some of it. Yeah, 586 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: And you know I just earlier this year I spoken now, Yeah, 587 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: spoken in Syracuse, And when I got off the stage, 588 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: the low African girls came up to me and said, 589 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: what did your story coming up? What did your movie book? 590 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: I got to im, I call one of my girlfriends 591 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: the other day that knows some publicism. And then this 592 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: young man was telling me to go God baby book, 593 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: baby book dot com or something like that, and he said, 594 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: you can write your own book, but you know you 595 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: want to. I want my book is gonna be great, 596 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: all my books, because I got about five books and 597 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: and they're gonna be great. Books. Well, listen, I'll be 598 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: right there with you, like we want to buy a book. 599 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. Let me tell you something. I 600 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: soul so many uh covers, so many souls of my 601 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: sister's book. I saw more than the than than the 602 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: bargs of Nobles and all the rest of them. Yeah, man, 603 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: we gotta get you a book going, definitely get that 604 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: started for next year. And I already named one of 605 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: them memoirs of a positive woman. There you go, there 606 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: you go. You heard the person. And then I have 607 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: um all right, shot a sizzle wheel of reality TV 608 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: show that we've been trying. Yeah, and that was and 609 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: so we've been shopping it around. I was telling my agent, Look, 610 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 1: she's like, oh nobody. First was about my age. I said, 611 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: you can't be serious. Then her friend is leaving, and 612 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:24,760 Speaker 1: then it was about and then it was about nobody 613 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: want to see about h and then Poles come out. Yeah, 614 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: I said, what are you talking about? And Poles deals 615 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: with the old HIV and as when Folks was dying 616 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: and there was burying people in time boxes and walking 617 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: in the room with spacesuits. So what did you get 618 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: people ready to hear a story like a story like 619 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: yours because I feel like when it comes to like 620 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: black women, I feel like people want to hear it, 621 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: but they want to hear in moderations. And I feel 622 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 1: like you're so real and wrong and funny, absolutely funny. 623 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: So that's what I think will be the unique thing 624 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: about it. You know, you're not like problematic life. Y'ow 625 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 1: me with that bull like And it's funny because yesterday 626 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: when we had that, I told you we did the 627 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: Mammogrand van for Breast cancer month and so thank you. 628 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: November is my birthday part? Yes, yes, yes, November thirteen. 629 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: I will be there at the shrine. I don't know 630 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: who this guest is. November Shrine. You'll come out and 631 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: support for my birthday party sixtieth. I made her in 632 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: the sixth day. No, I gotta come out. I remember 633 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: my word from me. What day is that? On Wednesday? 634 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: And it's on my birthday. I'm gonna come and then 635 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: so I'm gon keep in contact with you absolutely absolutely 636 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: anytime anytime you want. And you know it's just about 637 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,919 Speaker 1: sixty and I did not think that I would live. 638 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: I contracted EACHIV when I was thirty five. Wow, So 639 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: I've been with the virus for twenty five and you 640 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: look so good. Not to say that a virus has 641 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: a looked, but like you look like you and like 642 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: you're like you're look in your like thirties early friends, 643 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: you take really good. Let me make you laugh because 644 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: one of my girlfriends, I was like, I mean you 645 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: to come to my party. I'll be sixties. So do 646 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: the saying that I said, do I look sixty? She said, yeah, 647 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: you look sixty. So I was like, She's like, no, no, no, 648 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 1: you look fifty eight. You know, you have to love 649 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: kids because then you're like, they're fun. Now you really 650 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: don't look sixty at all. That's God, that's God. How 651 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 1: do you feel overweight? Oh my god? Once I eat 652 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: these wings, wings she bought me wings and incasion corn. 653 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: I love corn. Last not at least. What's some advice 654 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,879 Speaker 1: you would give to our listeners if they found out 655 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: they was HIV positive. Know that it's not the end 656 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: of your life. I know that you're bigger in your 657 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 1: h than HIV. That's so we are a small piece 658 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: of your life. It's not a big piece of you. 659 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 1: And it's not who you are, it's who God chose 660 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: you to be. And believe no matter what dog space 661 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: you in, God has a purpose for your life. And 662 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: you have to find that purpose and you have to 663 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 1: live that purpose. And that's what makes you great, not 664 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: how many times you fall down, but how many times 665 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: you get back up again. And last last question, I 666 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: just came to my mind that you have any regrets 667 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: or anything you would change. Yeah, me having HIV I 668 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: would love to change. I mean obviously, but you know, 669 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: you know, God has taken a disease that was supposed 670 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: to kill me, that people said my life would never 671 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: be anything. And I've traveled the world speaking about HIV 672 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: and I ain't finish it. I want to do one 673 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: woman's show on Broadway with me sitting in the chair 674 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: with a spotlight on me, and I just, you know, 675 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: tell my story. Yeah girl, come on commercials and all that. Listen. 676 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: People with HIV and ages we eat cookies or real cookies. 677 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: We drink milk, hot wings all day. Every day, I'll 678 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: be on a hot wing. I'll be testing everybody hot 679 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: wings to see where had the better hot wing. You know, 680 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: I don't even eat chicken. I'm gonna stop after today 681 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: because you brought him from me. I ain't gonna throw 682 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: them now. I'm really excited. I have any questions, any concerns. 683 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: All of my guests are anonymous, but if you want 684 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: to reach out to my guests, I have no problem 685 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: sharing her information. You might not get in contact with 686 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: her because she's a very busy woman, but so and 687 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: if you're an artist out there, or if you're artists, 688 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,879 Speaker 1: he doesn't have a showcase, mad windays I will be going, 689 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,439 Speaker 1: so any questions, comments, concerns please email me at hello 690 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: at the Professional home Girds dot com. Once again, thank 691 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: you so much for listening to the PhD podcast and 692 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: that is it. God bless you later.