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Speaker 1: beat At Elliott Wilson and Yo Elliott Man Tomming is everything,

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Speaker 1: ain't it?

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Speaker 2: Yo?

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Speaker 3: Be out?

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Speaker 4: And now we pulled this off.

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Speaker 3: Man, maybe you knew, but I didn't know about Grammy nominations.

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Speaker 4: I didn't even know.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: Man, like you always say, when you do a good job,

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Speaker 1: the breaks go your way.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, indeed, Man, Victoria money on your Raperate Up podcasts.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, what seven nominations? Seven seven? The

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Speaker 3: god number seven? Man, Nah, that's amazing. Congratulations to her

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Speaker 3: man or team like it was a manager that what's

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Speaker 3: the managers woman's name?

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Speaker 1: Because she's all in female in power.

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Speaker 3: There you go, the whole team, the whole team.

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Speaker 4: The ladies was killing it.

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Speaker 3: Man, seven nominations is a big deal, says it got

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Speaker 3: nine nominations, then the Ladies is killing it the Grammys.

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Speaker 1: Man, where it was a crazy coincidence that the episode

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Speaker 1: we just released was the same time as the nominations,

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Speaker 1: and she's like the second highest nominated person you know

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Speaker 1: this year. So great conversation, well deserved knobs and it

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Speaker 1: was funny off camera. You're gonna get Grammy nominated?

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Speaker 3: You did you did right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I remember that.

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Speaker 1: He was like, yo, you got that?

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Speaker 3: Was like no, what she said, don't Jakes be She

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, man, So shout out to Victoria's Man great

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Speaker 1: album as well, Jack.

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Speaker 4: Wars Man, Jaguar two Man.

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Speaker 3: If you ain't gonna give the Grammy decision, give it

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Speaker 3: to Victoria Man, give it the Victoria give. They need

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Speaker 3: to split them things up.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 3: Somebody said that Puffy stud about rmb's dad being one

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Speaker 3: for the big three categories Album of the Year, Record

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Speaker 3: of the Year, Soul of the year, ain't no touch

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Speaker 3: of hip hop, no hip hop, no rap.

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Speaker 1: Is that concerning?

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Speaker 4: Be that is that concerned? Should we be concerned?

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Speaker 1: I don't think we can be concerned. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: And not to be out done, we got another monette

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's true that it's true.

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Speaker 3: I for another guests on the Rapper Up Podcast, man

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Speaker 2: The ladies in the RB space.

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Speaker 4: Man, we get with the best man, yep.

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Speaker 1: Rap right, I'll get to the money to the.

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Speaker 3: Mode man, right, shout out that let's let's tost some

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Speaker 3: champagne and also in her denominations. Right, absolutely, absolutely make

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Speaker 3: sure you check out that episode if you didn't catch it, man.

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Speaker 4: But you know that's a secret.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 3: I think both things showed that, you know, I always

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Speaker 4: Everybody want to be media.

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Speaker 3: But very few people do their research and really connect

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Speaker 4: And I think that's why.

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Speaker 3: And you know, if at least the great conversations.

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Speaker 4: Man, that's why Wrap It Up.

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Speaker 1: Podcast is a platform for you.

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Speaker 3: Man, if you're out here trying to make some true art.

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Speaker 4: Man, I don't know what was where else would you go?

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Speaker 3: He so he emerged it, you know, pretty much changed

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Speaker 3: I thought he's very honest about you know, his goals

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Speaker 4: You know, strong, strong conversation.

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Speaker 1: It's always dope to have conbos with people that are

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Speaker 3: We got a real clarity on that little conflict he

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Speaker 3: You know, I thought that was very interesting, absolutely.

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Speaker 6: Man, So let's do it.

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Speaker 2: What with that?

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Speaker 1: Would he further? Ado?

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Speaker 3: Yes, Man, media with media powers connect Man, Media powers

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: You gotta love it, Man.

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Speaker 4: You gotta love it.

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Speaker 1: Check it out showing me to God on the Rap

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Speaker 1: rate All Podcast. Yeah, it's a rap radar podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is beat Aleiah Wilson here with a New York

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Speaker 1: Times bestselling author. Hey, amongst but many things, many things.

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Speaker 4: King of radio.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: I gotta I thought this guy forgot about us man.

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Speaker 4: But he's here.

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Speaker 2: Come on, cut it out, man.

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Speaker 5: I'm happy to be here rap rate all podcasts and

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Speaker 5: real hip hop journalism.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to a real conversation.

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Speaker 6: Well, welcome back, Charlamagne.

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Speaker 2: Elliot said, I don't do this stuff type of stuff

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Speaker 1: You forget about little brun.

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Speaker 5: Could y'all ever.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, charlamagea guy. You came off a long

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Speaker 5: Oh no, I didn't see that coming at all, you

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Speaker 3: You know, you've been doing this Breakfast Club thing for

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Speaker 3: Let's sirre it though, Let's flot that regime the greatest

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Speaker 3: greatest morning show of all time hip hop. You say so, no,

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Speaker 3: I mean, let's I mean, I know you get humbled

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Speaker 2: Say things like that. If you if you say it's

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Speaker 3: DJ have Angela Yee Breakfast Club is the greatest hip hopera,

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Speaker 2: I can see why you say that.

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Speaker 5: I can see why you say that is reasons right

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Speaker 2: Is that rapp right. I was there, We were there,

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Speaker 3: And the way you guys share content the whole we

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Speaker 3: I mean, I respect the Star run and everybody's runs.

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Speaker 5: Because I don't think further of all, I think you

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Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying, Like.

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Speaker 4: Y'all website two thousand and that's what I'm saying, Like, y'all.

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Speaker 5: Are a unit, like you know, like you can't just

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Speaker 2: But when you got to wake up.

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Speaker 5: So you got to find that that right, right person.

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Speaker 4: So that never gets easier.

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Speaker 3: There's still the grind of the feeling of getting up

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Speaker 2: Like, I think it gets harder.

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Because it's like, like especially

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Speaker 5: think about it. Thirteen years ago, it was just us,

445
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Speaker 5: you know, and in the blogs. But now you have

446
00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,760
Speaker 5: all of these different platforms that have popped up. You know,

447
00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,840
Speaker 5: podcasting has taken off, the YouTube shows is taken off,

448
00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,560
Speaker 5: so it's like so much different.

449
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Speaker 4: You know, anyone can make content.

450
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Speaker 5: Anybody can make content. So you know, to still be

451
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Speaker 5: in this position, like to still be ranked number one

452
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Speaker 5: at certain points and it's still you know, people still

453
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Speaker 5: care about us and have us in the conversation. That's

454
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Speaker 5: all you can really hope for in this era, you know.

455
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Speaker 2: That's it.

456
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Speaker 5: Like I don't feel like I don't feel like there's

457
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Speaker 5: any one entity that will ever lead again. I don't

458
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Speaker 5: think anyone entity, anyone show. I don't think any one

459
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Speaker 5: platform will ever lead again. Like you know how there

460
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Speaker 5: was a time where it was the TV era, it

461
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Speaker 5: was the radio era. You know, now it's the podcast.

462
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Speaker 5: I don't think there's one entity that's going to ever

463
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Speaker 5: lead again. I think all of us are just going

464
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Speaker 5: to be coexisting in this in this space together.

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Speaker 1: How much longer do you still want to do it?

466
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Speaker 1: I do got a number. I got a number.

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Speaker 6: Are we getting close to that number?

468
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Speaker 4: A number of years?

469
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Speaker 2: You're saying, I got a number of years? Yeah, yeah,

470
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Speaker 2: I got a number of years.

471
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Speaker 5: I got a number.

472
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Speaker 4: Is that reflective of a current contract or it's.

473
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Speaker 2: Just for me. It's about like I just feel like,

474
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Speaker 2: you know, as a talent.

475
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Speaker 5: You know, I don't know how much longer I want

476
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Speaker 5: to be on the talent side. I really do like

477
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Speaker 5: playing the executive role. Like you know, I got, I got,

478
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Speaker 5: I got all of this work up here right now.

479
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Speaker 5: None of this is me? Like this is this is

480
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Speaker 5: a book called Invisible Generals that's coming out.

481
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Speaker 2: You know, we're taping this on the money, but actually

482
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Speaker 2: comes out tomorrow by my.

483
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Speaker 5: Man Doug Melville. This is the third book that I'm

484
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Speaker 5: putting out on my book I print. You know, the

485
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Speaker 5: other two Tamika Mallory, State of Emergency, How to Win

486
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Speaker 5: in the Country. We built just came out a couple

487
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Speaker 5: of years ago in a fictional book by Anita Kopax

488
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Speaker 5: called Shallow Waters, you know. And then I got some

489
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Speaker 5: stuff from my company with audible that me and Kevin

490
00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,040
Speaker 5: Hart got SBAH Productions. This is out right now unleased

491
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Speaker 5: for love, starting My Homegirl a Lisha Renee and Summer

492
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Speaker 5: of eighty five.

493
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Speaker 2: This is narrated by Kevin. You know.

494
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Speaker 5: That tells the story of the move bombing in Philadelphia

495
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Speaker 5: in the summer eighty five and finding Tamika. You know,

496
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Speaker 5: that tells the story of Tamika Houston, a young lady

497
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Speaker 5: who went missing and.

498
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Speaker 2: Spartanburg, South Carolina in the early two thousands.

499
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Speaker 5: So for me, I like doing this, like I I

500
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Speaker 5: like putting people in positions to win, you know. So

501
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Speaker 5: it's just like when you talk about my idols, like

502
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Speaker 5: ar Senior Hall, right, that's one of my idols in

503
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Speaker 5: this entertainment business. P D.

504
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Speaker 2: Green, you know another one.

505
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Speaker 5: He's a radio personality from DC passed away a long

506
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Speaker 5: time ago, Jay Z, Sean Carter and Clarence Avon, you know,

507
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 5: and all of those people were of service. All of

508
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,400
Speaker 5: those people were helped to throw a lot of assists

509
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 5: and put people in positions that they weren't necessarily in,

510
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Speaker 5: you know, before they were associated with them. So that's

511
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Speaker 5: that's what I like doing. That's what I like doing now.

512
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Speaker 5: So yes, I do have a number on how much

513
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Speaker 5: long I want to be a talent.

514
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Speaker 3: And obviously you guys have battled controversy through the years,

515
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 3: envies and controversy.

516
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Speaker 4: Now how does that affect you?

517
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Speaker 3: And if it came down to it, if he was

518
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Speaker 3: no longer there, you would you feel responsibility to carry

519
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Speaker 3: forth with the show?

520
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Speaker 5: Yeah? I think you kind of have to write you

521
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Speaker 5: know what I mean, because I think the Breakfast Club

522
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 5: is bigger than any of us as individuals. I've always

523
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 5: felt like that in my mind, what I've always wanted

524
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,679
Speaker 5: for the Breakfast Club was new talent constantly comes in

525
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,920
Speaker 5: and as a part of this is under this umbrella

526
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Speaker 5: of the club. So whether Angelaiue is there or Armor there,

527
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 5: our envys there, the platform can still continue. Like I've

528
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Speaker 5: always I've never felt like the Breakfast Club was just

529
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Speaker 5: a show about three individuals. That's always where my mind was,

530
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Speaker 5: because you kind of see that, right, Like, if you

531
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Speaker 5: if you plan to have the longevity you hope to have,

532
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 5: eventually things got to change. And I think the reason

533
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 5: people look at what Breakfast Club is going through right

534
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 5: now and they're like, oh man, it's because they've never

535
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 5: seen it before, because you've never had anything in hip

536
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Speaker 5: hop and morning radio. Last this long, Tom Joyner went

537
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Speaker 5: through the same kind of changes Elvis Duran on Z

538
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Speaker 5: one hundred. You know, he's been through the same kind

539
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Speaker 5: of change, you know, mean times Elvis has had a

540
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Speaker 5: new cast members, you know what I mean. So it

541
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Speaker 5: happens if you if you're around all enough for it

542
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Speaker 5: to happen, you know. So I kind of I kind

543
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Speaker 5: of always foresaw that that type of stuff happening, you know,

544
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Speaker 5: And I always knew It's not like we all were

545
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Speaker 5: going to leave at one time, you know.

546
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Speaker 2: So I feel like, regardless of what envy situation is.

547
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Speaker 5: I felt like, you know, I always always felt like

548
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Speaker 5: that was the plan, that should be the plan.

549
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Speaker 2: You know.

550
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Speaker 5: The Breakfast Club is the banner. The Breakfast Club is

551
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Speaker 5: the umbrella. It's the vehicle, and you always get different

552
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 5: passengers in the view.

553
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Speaker 1: There was plans with doing a documentary right yeah, that

554
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Speaker 1: still happens.

555
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Speaker 2: Now, we got more to add to it.

556
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Speaker 5: What I keep saying, I'm like, yo, we got more

557
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 5: to add to it now. And to me, it's just like, oh,

558
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Speaker 5: now I see why that didn't come out when it

559
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 5: was supposed to come out. I felt like Elliott just said,

560
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Speaker 5: I'm like, Okay, now it was the perfect time because

561
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Speaker 5: we had some finality to it with ye situation. You know,

562
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Speaker 5: it's more to it, you know, So because you gotta

563
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Speaker 5: address all that.

564
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Speaker 3: How in general, how do you think, because you guys

565
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Speaker 3: have dealt with those controversies throughout the whole tenure, Like,

566
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Speaker 3: how have you managed that from your personal point of view?

567
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Speaker 3: Why do you think was the key for you guys

568
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Speaker 3: to always kind of go through that adversity?

569
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Speaker 4: But the show still remains strong.

570
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Speaker 5: Put your head down to do the work, life, go

571
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Speaker 5: on life, man. You know, things gonna happen, especially in

572
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Speaker 5: this era when you got people shooting at you from

573
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Speaker 5: all different angles. You know what I mean. They always

574
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Speaker 5: talk about, you know, oh, your success is going to

575
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Speaker 5: take a shot at you. Yeah, that's true, but also

576
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 5: people who envy that success are gonna take.

577
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Speaker 2: A lot of shots at you. So they gonna always.

578
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Speaker 5: You know, if they see if whoever's against you, whenever

579
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 5: they see some something or somebody going against you, they're

580
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Speaker 5: gonna side with that thing, you know what I mean.

581
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Speaker 4: It happens everything, But with us, it's like what he's

582
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Speaker 4: talking about, your criticized.

583
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Speaker 3: He's talking about other Cristians, people that want to be rappers,

584
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Speaker 3: that want to be in this position.

585
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Speaker 4: A lot of that hate comes from that's right.

586
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Speaker 5: So it's like, yo, what what are we going through

587
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Speaker 5: that nobody else is hasn't gone through.

588
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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what position you're in, no matter if.

589
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Speaker 5: You're a rapper, a politician, you know, the CEO of

590
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Speaker 5: a company, it doesn't matter. Like those that type of

591
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 5: adversity is gonna happen, you know, so you just got

592
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Speaker 5: you deal with it. You put your head down and

593
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Speaker 5: you do the work. That's always tell folks, put your

594
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Speaker 5: hea down, to do the work, you know, how to

595
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Speaker 5: tell you. They be sending me stuff in the chat

596
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Speaker 5: all the time, and I'll be like, I.

597
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Speaker 2: Ain't even hear it. I'll be like, oh damn, this

598
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Speaker 2: happened is just all noise.

599
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Speaker 4: You know what I thought about too?

600
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Speaker 3: I mean, people dising now because it's not cool anymore

601
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Speaker 3: on Twitter. It's called ax whatever it's called. But I

602
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Speaker 3: miss on Twitter.

603
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Speaker 2: You gave Twitter up, fell, I stopped twittering like seventeen.

604
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Speaker 4: I know you was, but you was amazing.

605
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Speaker 3: You got you got your job through Twitter, right much right,

606
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Speaker 3: A lot of ways.

607
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Speaker 5: The kind I mean the internet period. I just think

608
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Speaker 5: it was just it's just too much noise over there.

609
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Speaker 5: And what I started to realize is I started to

610
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 5: see people and it's worse now.

611
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Speaker 2: I started to see people.

612
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Speaker 5: Waking up and they didn't even know what to think

613
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Speaker 5: until they got on social media to see what everybody

614
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Speaker 5: else was saying about something. And I don't ever want that,

615
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Speaker 5: you know what I mean? I want to wake up,

616
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Speaker 5: see your topic and have my own perspective on it.

617
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Speaker 5: I think now, man, everybody's just engaging in group think,

618
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Speaker 5: like literally.

619
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Speaker 4: Like everybody they're joining the first thing.

620
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Speaker 2: I don't even think. I don't even think that they

621
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Speaker 2: even be reading half of these stories.

622
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Speaker 5: I don't even think they even They'll see the headline,

623
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Speaker 5: see what everybody else is saying about said headline.

624
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Speaker 2: And then they just pile on.

625
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Speaker 5: And I just I just I realized early on, like man,

626
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Speaker 5: Twitter is not good for my mental health and no way,

627
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Speaker 5: shape or form. And it's just not good for me

628
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Speaker 5: as a creative because literally it's just groupthink. Like whether

629
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Speaker 5: you realize you're being influenced by what people are saying

630
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Speaker 5: on social media or not, you are.

631
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Speaker 2: I did that.

632
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Speaker 5: I literally did that last week talking about something. I

633
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Speaker 5: was in the room and I said, Yo, did y'all

634
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Speaker 5: see x Y and Z? What happened to X Y

635
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 5: and Z? And it was like it was just Hilarius

636
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Speaker 5: and her friend. She was like, that ain't even what happened.

637
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 5: And I go, well, I ain't even read the story.

638
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Speaker 5: I just saw, but that's the truth. So think about

639
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 5: how much that happens ninety five percent of the time.

640
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Speaker 5: And I'm in media, I'm supposed to read the story.

641
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Speaker 5: I didn't even read the story, but I just blurted

642
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Speaker 5: it out to the room like it was a fact.

643
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Speaker 5: So it's just like, nah, I got off there years ago.

644
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Speaker 5: I'm only on Instagram.

645
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't do it. I'm only on Instagram.

646
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Speaker 1: How do you decide who comes on the breakfast club?

647
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Speaker 1: Do you now that there's two of y'all? Do you

648
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Speaker 1: and every decide?

649
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Speaker 2: It's always been me and be an Angel.

650
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's always two to one or has it been?

651
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Speaker 2: Nah?

652
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Speaker 5: I mean it's like because we all got different interests,

653
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Speaker 5: you know, so if you thought somebody was interested, and

654
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Speaker 5: we thought somebody was interested, or I thought somebody was interesting,

655
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Speaker 5: it wasn't a fight about it, you know, because that

656
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 5: would be whack. Like you know, how many people probably

657
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Speaker 5: wouldn't be on the Breakfast Club if they were voted.

658
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Speaker 2: You know, we had a vote, right, So it was

659
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Speaker 2: just like, oh, okay, if you think this person's interesting, sure,

660
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Speaker 2: you know.

661
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Speaker 6: I just want to like, who's he been your favorite

662
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Speaker 6: guest so far?

663
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Speaker 5: Man?

664
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 2: That's I have no idea. Man, you know how many

665
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: people we've interviewed a lot? Yeah, and then you look back.

666
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 5: On a thirteen year career, there's interviews that I forgot

667
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 5: that I see people will repost constantly.

668
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 2: You know.

669
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 5: The thing whenever people ask me that question, the first

670
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 5: thing that comes to mind is everybody who's no longer here,

671
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 5: Because when you've been around long enough, sadly, you see

672
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 5: people go. So whether it's the mac Miller's, the Dick Gregory's,

673
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 5: the Combat Jacks, the Prodigies, the Nipsey Hustles, the Charlie Murphy's.

674
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 5: You know, like, I'm sure between our Nipsey Hustle conversation

675
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 5: and y'all Nipsey Hustle conversation, that's probably two of the

676
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 5: biggest Nipsey conversations that people constantly go back to because

677
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 5: of the length of them, right, you know what I mean?

678
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 5: Ours was an hour, y'alls was an hour plus. So

679
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 5: it's just like when you really want to go, you know,

680
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 5: sit back and see who a person was, you probably

681
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 5: go reference those interviews because especially somebody like nip Nipple

682
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 5: was a person who you know, when he passed away,

683
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 5: he wasn't the beloved huge figure he was to the

684
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 5: masses you know that he is now, you know what

685
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 5: I mean, Like, I'm sure there were people who was

686
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 5: like the Staples Center. They have this man's funeral in

687
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 5: the Staple Center, So I'm sure there was a bunch

688
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 5: of people.

689
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: Who had to go look to see who Nipsey was.

690
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 5: And I bet you y'all saw y'all interviews shoot up

691
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 5: in numbers, because we definitely saw ours shoot up in numbers.

692
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: This's over like twelve million views.

693
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 5: Now, it wasn't that when he was here, you know,

694
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 5: So it's always those interviews with people who are no

695
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 5: longer here.

696
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: That to me hit hit way different.

697
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 4: When do you think it first hit?

698
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 6: Though?

699
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: Like with Rapper, you people expect a good interview. With

700
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 3: the Breakfast Club, it became a thing about these interviews

701
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 3: are going to be provocative, They're going to be quality,

702
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: Like I know, the ray J moment was kind of

703
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: the first break through moment for you guys. What do

704
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: you think was started getting the footing with the interviews

705
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 3: being a staple.

706
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 2: I think it was always like that, I really do

707
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: and ray J.

708
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 5: Everybody always references the ray J phone call with fabulous,

709
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 5: But ray J was our first conversation period, Like the

710
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 5: first person who ever came in the old Breakfast Club

711
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 5: studios and sat down and did a conversation with us

712
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 5: was ray J. And I think people gravitated towards our

713
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 5: conversations from the beginning because one thing that we all

714
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 5: sat down and agreed upon was we're not going to

715
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 5: try to do interviews during the show because if you

716
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 5: do interviews during the show, they only going to be

717
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 5: like five minutes, you know, six minutes.

718
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: So we said we're going.

719
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 4: To text afterwards wow, and then break it up and

720
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 4: then break it down.

721
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: And so we did that.

722
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 5: We taped afterwards, and you know, the conversations were like, okay,

723
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 5: twenty minutes, thirty minutes, and sometimes you find us in

724
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 5: there for an hour. But we were just putting it

725
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 5: all online, so you would get the radio version, which

726
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 5: was a couple of breaks on air, but then you

727
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 5: could go back and watch the rest of it.

728
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: On power one on five to one dot COM's page.

729
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 5: So I think, you know, from the beginning, people were realizing, like, oh,

730
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 5: I can go to them and you know, watch long

731
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 5: form interviews.

732
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: Way before there was like podcasts.

733
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 5: Doing that on the regular or even radio shows doing

734
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 5: that on the regular, Like we were the first, and

735
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 5: so I think from day one people knew.

736
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: Breakfast club conversations were different.

737
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 5: I feel that way anyway.

738
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: Or as a radio personality, you've been critical of the

739
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: same platform that you work on, Like why is that?

740
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: Why not?

741
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 5: Like that's like saying, you know, why are we critical

742
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 5: of America because we live here because things ain't always right?

743
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 6: Well, what's the issue you feel like with terrestrial radio?

744
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: I don't think there's an issue per se.

745
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 5: I just think that, you know, I know that radio

746
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 5: won't necessarily lead in anything ever again, because you know,

747
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 5: when it comes to personalities, most personalities around podcasts, you know.

748
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 5: And then just to back up a little bit, you

749
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 5: know the PPM meters, you know, the PPM meters when

750
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 5: they came out fifteen sixty years ago, whatever they were,

751
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 5: they were a flawed system at the time, you know,

752
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 5: and I think that they had all the radio stations

753
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 5: making moves that hurt radio in the long term, meaning

754
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 5: they started removing a bunch of the personality. So it

755
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 5: was just all about music, right, and so there was

756
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 5: real music driven and it had really short talk breaks.

757
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 5: When you remove personality from radio, that allowed the podcast

758
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 5: to rise because now people can go to these podcasts

759
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 5: and hear actual personalities, you know, people with real opinions

760
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 5: and people actually you know, expressing themselves that got taken

761
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 5: away from radio and it was just announcing. So I

762
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 5: feel like podcasts will lead in personality. And now you know,

763
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 5: like the YouTube platforms and everything that'll lead in personality.

764
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 5: When it comes to music, nobody saw the rise of

765
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 5: music streaming services either over the last fifteen years. Nobody

766
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 5: saw the apples and the titles and the Spotify's and

767
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 5: everybody coming. So now I got music on demand in

768
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 5: my pocket. I got to wait around the radio to

769
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 5: play this new hot shit, you know what I mean.

770
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 5: And then when it comes to news, it's the Internet.

771
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 5: So I'm not It's not like back in the day

772
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 5: when damn I heard pop died. Let me turn on

773
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 5: Angie Martinez, I turn on Big Boy and you know,

774
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 5: turn on Sway and see if this is this is true.

775
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: Now you got social media.

776
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 5: Social media, you know, leads when it comes to the news,

777
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 5: and when it comes to the live events, it's the festivals,

778
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So it's like, I don't

779
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 5: think radio can ever lead in anything again. But what

780
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,239
Speaker 5: radio can be is the greatest amplifier, because that's what

781
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 5: radio really is, the greatest amplifier. So those podcasts and

782
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 5: those you know, music streaming platforms, whatever they are, whatever

783
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 5: that song is that came out online and everybody's you know,

784
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 5: gravitating towards radio, is what can take that song, amplify

785
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 5: it and keep it going, keep the life span past

786
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 5: the week, or keep the lifespan past the day of

787
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 5: its release.

788
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: So that's that's my own that's really that's literally my only.

789
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,719
Speaker 5: Critiqular radio, like you know, like we're we're not going

790
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 5: to ever leading anything ever again, but we could continue

791
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 5: to be like the greatest amplifier.

792
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: What's your critique of yourself as a radio personality, Like

793
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 3: you said, all this experience, you've had a lot'spit made

794
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: Like in the beginning of Breakfast Club, you know, Young

795
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 3: Charlamagne's going for the throat every time with the guests,

796
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 3: and you know nothing's off bounds.

797
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: It felt like right and then obviously you want you

798
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 4: some changes.

799
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 3: And kind of I won't say mature per se, but like,

800
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: can you speak to your development on the show and

801
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: how you feel like how you've approached things that has

802
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: changed through the years.

803
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 5: That's exactly what it is. You said it, Young Charlamagne.

804
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 5: Everybody keeps saying, y'all want you to go back to that,

805
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 5: go back to that. I couldn't go back to that

806
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 5: if I tried. Like life changes you like, I didn't

807
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 5: have four daughters back then, I wasn't married back then,

808
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 5: I wasn't.

809
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: In survival mode. I was in survival mode.

810
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 5: When I first started Breakfast Club. I had just gotten

811
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 5: fired for the fourth time from radio. I was back

812
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 5: home living with my mom in Monks Corner, South Carolina

813
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 5: at thirty one, thirty two years old with a two

814
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 5: year old daughter. Like, when I got back to Breakfast Club,

815
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 5: I was in survival mode and I was how about this?

816
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: I was angry.

817
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 5: I'm like, shit, you know what I mean, y'all, motherfucker

818
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 5: don't got me fired? You know what I mean? In

819
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 5: my mind that was my mind state. My mind state

820
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 5: was fuck all you industry motherfuckers. You know, y'all don't

821
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 5: like me anyway. So not only am I not going

822
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 5: back home in the Monst corner of South Carolina, I'm about.

823
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: To give y'all holy hell, you know.

824
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 5: So it's like, yeah, you grow, you mature, and you realize, like, man,

825
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 5: let me go fix my shit. So I don't be

826
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 5: in here projecting all that hurt and that pain onto

827
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 5: everybody else, because that's all I see now, all this

828
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 5: noise that I'm seeing people make, I can look at

829
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 5: people and tell that motherfucker's hurting, that motherfucker is in pain,

830
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 5: that motherfucker got some trauma that they ain't dealt with,

831
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 5: that they projecting onto everybody else. Because man, if you

832
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 5: wake up every day and you don't got nothing good

833
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 5: to say about nobody ever, Like cause it's difertween critique

834
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 5: and just straight hate and noise. It's like, yo, every

835
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 5: day we wake up, man, all we see is such

836
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 5: and such going back and forth, such as such. It's

837
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 5: always conflict, and it's like, when did that become a

838
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 5: part of the culture. When did this great conflict become

839
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 5: a part of the culture where it's just like all we're.

840
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 2: Reporting on is who's beefing with who?

841
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 5: And it ain't even no real fighting going on. It

842
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 5: ain't even no real no shooting, understand, is everybody yelling

843
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 5: at each other through the phone like that shit whacked me?

844
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 5: And you know, it's like, Yo, been there, done that,

845
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 5: you know, if that's what I looked like, Hey man,

846
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 5: I'm glad.

847
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 2: I'm glad I grew in the ball.

848
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: When you were back home with your mom at thirty two, Like,

849
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: did you think that it was gonna happen for you?

850
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 5: No, I had already made up my mind that, you know, Okay,

851
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be home in Monk's Corner. I'm gonna I'm

852
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 5: gonna get a job here at the local radio station

853
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 5: if they'll have me. Mind you, I done got fired

854
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 5: from two of those stations. So it's like, you know

855
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 5: what I mean, but salute my man Michael T. Rest

856
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 5: in peace. Michael T hadnt launched. They launched the station

857
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 5: in Charleston called The Box, and I helped with to launch.

858
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: At that station.

859
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 5: Like I literally was down there with Michael T putting

860
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 5: together promos. I actually did the promo for them, you

861
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 5: know what I mean when they when they launched. So

862
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 5: I helped to launch that station and I was on

863
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 5: there for a little while. But Michael T was like, yeah, bro,

864
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 5: you he said. It was really it was like yo,

865
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 5: you you you you were you were a little bit

866
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 5: too big for for for local radio, you know what

867
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 5: I mean. I don't think it's not what I think

868
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 5: you should touch your your sights on because I'm just

869
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 5: I'm just that type person, Like I'm the type person

870
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 5: like I'm gonna deal with whatever comes my way. So

871
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 5: if that's the hand that God dealt me in that moment,

872
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 5: I'm gonna figure it out. But you know, that wasn't

873
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 5: the plan God had for me, clearly, because you know,

874
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 5: my next gig after that was was the breakfast Club.

875
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 3: So how did it align with the angry part of

876
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: being their breakfast club into those beginnings how did that

877
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: also reflect, you know, getting you've been public about, you know,

878
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 3: strengthening your marriage, going to therapy, Like, how did that

879
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: all that all line at the same did they align

880
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: at the same time?

881
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 5: It was all the same thing, because you know, when

882
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 5: you start to have more success than you've ever had

883
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 5: in your life, more money than you had in your life,

884
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 5: more access than you you've ever had in your life,

885
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 5: you know, and you know, now women you used to

886
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 5: look at in King magazine, you know you dealing with

887
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 5: like you know, you'll lose yourself. You know, your ego

888
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 5: will take control very very very very very fast. And

889
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 5: you know, like I saw myself becoming a version of

890
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 5: a person that I love but also hated, which is

891
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 5: my father. So when I saw my father, when I

892
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 5: saw how his marriage to my mom ended because of

893
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 5: his infidelity, I saw myself like going down that same path.

894
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 5: And that was like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, and so

895
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 5: it's just like that's when I started making conscious decisions

896
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 5: in my life to be like, yo, I'm not about

897
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 5: to lose my family the way that you know, I

898
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 5: saw my father lose his family. And also just observing, right,

899
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 5: there's nobody that you've watched, you know, continues down the

900
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 5: path that I was on.

901
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: Who's plane landed with the wheels out?

902
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 5: You know what I mean? Like, eventually you're gonna catch

903
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 5: up to you. Eventually, you know you're gonna start feeling

904
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 5: like nobody can tell you anything. Like my biggest strength

905
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 5: and weakness has always been self awareness, because I'm very

906
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 5: self aware of when I'm not moving away I said,

907
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 5: I should be moving, But then I can also be

908
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 5: too self aware, and that's where the anxiety can kick

909
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 5: in because I'm in my head a little bit too much,

910
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 5: you know. So for me, it's like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,

911
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 5: when I saw myself going down that path and I

912
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 5: saw like the hurt I was causing my household. Please,

913
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 5: it's an easy call for me, Like, you know, I

914
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 5: gotta figure this out. I gotta start going doing the

915
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 5: work on myself. And then on top of that, I'm

916
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 5: still dealing with anxiety and depression that I've been dealing

917
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 5: with my whole life that I never ever, ever, ever

918
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 5: ever dealt with. And man, if you think anxiety, you

919
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 5: know bothers you when you are are living the right way,

920
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 5: imagine how it bothers you when you living the wrong way,

921
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 5: you know, awa, just think about all of the things

922
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 5: that you know, all the things I know I'm doing,

923
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 5: and I don't have no bit is doing, you know

924
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 5: what I mean?

925
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: So you always constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop,

926
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: you know, like, oh, man, when is it?

927
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 5: You know, when is when is this person gonna call

928
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 5: my wife and tell my wife we've been creeping around whatever.

929
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 2: It's just like, yo, who got time for that?

930
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

931
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: So it's just like for me, it was an easy,

932
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 2: easy call.

933
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 4: And how did therapy help?

934
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 3: And it seems and you've developed the point that now

935
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 3: you are such a champion for mental health.

936
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 5: Therapy helped me, man, just because like it helped me

937
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 5: to get a handle on my anxiety number one, and

938
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 5: it helped me to get a handle on my I'm

939
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 5: about to depression, you know, number two. And then you know,

940
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 5: when you start going to therapy, you go for a

941
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 5: certain thing, but then you start peeling back layers, right

942
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 5: and you start realizing like, oh, shoot, it ain't just

943
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 5: anxiety and you know depression.

944
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 2: I got daddy issues, you know what I mean.

945
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 5: And I started to realize a lot of the animosity

946
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 5: I had towards my father wasn't even just because of

947
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 5: how he had treated my mother. It was because of

948
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 5: how he used to discipline me for things he never

949
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 5: taught me, you know what I mean. So, like like

950
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 5: an example I always uses, I was following him one time,

951
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 5: I just got my license and I'm following him. I'm

952
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 5: driving behind him, and he he told me do everything

953
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 5: I do. I just got my license. So he runs

954
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 5: the stop sign. He's coming off one. We're coming off

955
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 5: this place called Gillyard Road in Monk's Corner and going

956
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 5: on the Highway fifty two, so it's a highway. So

957
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 5: he runs the stop sign on the highway. So I

958
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 5: following him. I run the stop sign too. So he

959
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 5: pulls over. I pull over, gets out the car, He

960
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 5: walks over to the car. He slaps the shit out me,

961
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 5: bow tells me wake up, like you ain't see that

962
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 5: stop sign, and my mind, you ain't gon talk about it, like,

963
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 5: look at you see the stop sign.

964
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

965
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 5: So it's just like that's the type of discipline I

966
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 5: used to get. It was it was out of a

967
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 5: place of love, dough because I also realized, like he

968
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 5: was he was raising me out of fear, you know

969
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 5: what I mean, and not necessarily love. And I think

970
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 5: that's another thing that I realized when I started talking

971
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 5: about my issues that I was dealing with as far

972
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 5: as my mental health. He came clean to me into

973
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 5: twenty eighteen and told me that he was going to

974
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 5: therapy two and three times a week, and that he

975
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 5: was on ten to twelve different medications, and he tried

976
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 5: to kill himself, you know, years ago. And I remember

977
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 5: going to my mom and asking her, like, YO, did

978
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 5: you know Pops was going through all this?

979
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: And she said, I thought he was playing crazy to

980
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: get a check.

981
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 5: So just think about that, right, If he would have

982
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 5: been honest with me and had those conversations with me,

983
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 5: I would have known what I was going through, because

984
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 5: you know, the mental health is just as genetics is

985
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 5: physical health, So I would have known what I was

986
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 5: going through back then. So, man, the therapy changed my

987
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 5: It opened up a whole new world for me just

988
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 5: about how I not just view myself, but it helped

989
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 5: me to forgive my Pops because I realized he's just

990
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 5: a human who was dealing with his own issues and

991
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 5: he had a life way before he was my pops.

992
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 5: And I think that's something that you know, all of

993
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 5: our kids may not necessarily know about us, Like we

994
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 5: had a whole life before you came here. I'm not

995
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 5: just dad, like I'm Lenard, you know what I mean.

996
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying.

997
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 5: That's not just your mom, Like she got a whole

998
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 5: life too, And I think that sometimes, you know, your

999
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 5: kids don't see you like that. So therapy changed my

1000
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 5: whole perspective on so many different things.

1001
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: Man, you're almost like the new member of the Wu

1002
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: Tang too, because you and Ray Kwan got into business.

1003
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 5: Man Ray hit me up like like four or five

1004
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 5: years ago and we went to dinner and he was

1005
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 5: telling me about his business partners, Jed Canty and my

1006
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 5: man Josh, and they got a company called Hashtoria.

1007
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: You know, they're real deep into the cannabis business.

1008
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 5: Like they have some dispensaries out in Oregon, and he

1009
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 5: was actually came to me about a project they were

1010
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 5: doing called Citizens Grown, and basically Citizens Grown was gonna

1011
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 5: be like these little dispensaries that people could have in

1012
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 5: their houses are their apartments, and they could grow their

1013
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 5: own cannabis and then you know, the cannabis would be

1014
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 5: collected and they would get like two thousand dollars a

1015
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 5: month or three thousand dollars a month.

1016
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: I forgot what the number was. But that was supposed

1017
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 2: to be like.

1018
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 5: Not the answer to the War on drugs, but for

1019
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 5: all of those people who were victims of the War

1020
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 5: on drugs, Like that was gonna be something that was

1021
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 5: gonna be in these communities, you know, specifically. And I

1022
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 5: was like, yo, I love that idea. So that's how

1023
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 5: me and you know, Ray even got connected on that.

1024
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 5: But then what was so funny. I produced executive produced

1025
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 5: Bacari Seller's documentary while I breathe, I hope we want

1026
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 5: a Southeast Emmy for that, and Jed was also one

1027
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 5: of the executive producers on it.

1028
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that.

1029
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 5: I just happened to be at the film festival, the

1030
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 5: Montclair Film Festival. Jed comes up to me and he

1031
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, you know, Ray was telling me about you,

1032
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 5: and I'm like, oh, So then we was at Corbez's

1033
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 5: house that later on that night and we were just

1034
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 5: vibing and then like so we just got locked in

1035
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 5: and it's like, you know, it's a couple of businesses

1036
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 5: that we got. We got the Serial Killers, which is

1037
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 5: like a ice cream shop out in Vegas. And then

1038
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 5: you know, now we got Hashtoria in Newark, which is

1039
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 5: going to be a dispensary consumption lounge in Newark, New

1040
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 5: Jersey that opens up first quarter twenty twenty four.

1041
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 6: Congratulations.

1042
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 5: Yep. So it's me and ray Kuon Bakari, Jed and

1043
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 5: Josh like were the owners of a story of Newark.

1044
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: Right.

1045
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 6: How is it like maintaining relationships with some of your

1046
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 6: favorite artists.

1047
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 5: It's always surreal, man, I never get used to that.

1048
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 5: That's like, it's surreal, like, you know, because these are

1049
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 5: superheroes to us, man like ray Kwon, ghost Face, those

1050
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 5: are superheroes. You know, jay Z is a superhero. Like

1051
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 5: still you know people like, nah, these are superheroes. Like

1052
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 5: we grew up. You know, these guys were providing a

1053
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 5: soundtrack to our lives. Like you know, so it's never

1054
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 5: like I don't ever, I don't never get used to that.

1055
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 5: Like like sometimes you be in conversation or you know,

1056
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 5: you get a text message or you being spaces and

1057
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 5: you like, it's gotta tell folks sometimes you know you

1058
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 5: you you know you this ain't normal for me, right,

1059
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 5: like you know what I mean, Like I don't ever

1060
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 5: get like I'm never used to it ever, Like I

1061
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 5: remember being I don't even want to say what I

1062
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 5: was that, but I just I'll say I remember being

1063
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 5: somewhere with I remember Andre three thousand was on my

1064
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 5: left and ce Lo was on my right, and it

1065
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 5: was like real regular shit going on, like a like

1066
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 5: a fish fry like Andred just fish frying fish. And

1067
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 5: I'm like, why am I like why whoa? Like you

1068
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 5: know what I mean, It's mind blowing, Like yo, I'm

1069
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 5: just how many times we rolled around listening to the

1070
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 5: Goodie Mob Soul, you know how we felt about.

1071
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: Stuven playlistic cadillacty like this is.

1072
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 5: And I told him that, like I'm not the type

1073
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 5: of person that like back like I'm too cool for

1074
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 5: I told him that in that moment, like I'm not

1075
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 5: about to sit here and act like this is normal,

1076
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 5: like I'm meanting fried fish with and three thousand and

1077
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 5: sea long we just kicking and having a conversation like

1078
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 5: that's that's that's I never get.

1079
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 3: Used to that, man, But you continue to alienate yourself

1080
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: with the biggest start of the generation, this gy Drake Man.

1081
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 5: And you can't talk about alienating yourself.

1082
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: Drake. You could have had this conversation.

1083
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 5: You could have had this conversation with me a year ago,

1084
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 5: not right now, you because you are true alienation.

1085
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: I didn't have a.

1086
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 3: Relationship apologize, Arla Man. You teach me about it. So

1087
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: I'm working that out behind the scenes, back in a

1088
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: better place. But yeah, but you did say, I mean,

1089
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: I hope so, I mean, we'll see how things go.

1090
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,959
Speaker 3: But you did say it kind of equated to skip

1091
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 3: ballist to his lebron Yeah, what was that always the intent?

1092
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 3: Because it seemed like that was from the very beginning

1093
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 3: you were critical of him. How much of that was

1094
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 3: like your real critical opinion, how much it was entertainment?

1095
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 5: Well, everything I said about the music early on was true.

1096
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 5: I always felt like that about the music. I'm like, yo,

1097
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 5: why why try to be the next you know, Chris

1098
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 5: Brown and Miguel when you could be the next jay Z?

1099
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 5: Like I always felt like he was that good of

1100
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 5: a rapper, you know what I mean. So I used

1101
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 5: to always critique the singing, and then, you know, like

1102
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 5: anything else, you know, you start making jokes and you

1103
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 5: see that it's working, like you know, y'all, like when

1104
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 5: I go on Black TV and say this all y'all,

1105
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 5: like when I go on Breakfast Club and say this,

1106
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So a lot of that

1107
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 5: just became like he just became the butter, the butt

1108
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 5: of the joke. But I never I never hated him.

1109
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 5: I never hate I don't know him to hate him, Like,

1110
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 5: how could I know somebody? How could I hate somebody

1111
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 5: that I don't even truly know, you know. So a

1112
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 5: lot of it was it was tongue in cheek. I mean,

1113
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 5: he didn't find it funny. There's plenty of times, you know,

1114
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 5: people come back and be like, yeah, Drake and his

1115
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,959
Speaker 5: his team was just here looking for you.

1116
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: You know.

1117
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 5: I remember when Angel and uh Ivy was in Houston

1118
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 5: one time and I didn't come, you know what I mean,

1119
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 5: but him and him and his guys, damn show was

1120
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 5: like where the third Musketeer?

1121
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 2: At that was? That was actually what he's said, from

1122
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: what I was told, where's.

1123
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 5: The third Where's the third Musketeer?

1124
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 6: You know?

1125
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: So that actually happened.

1126
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 5: So and then I remember I met these uh security

1127
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 5: guards one time. Man, this is funny. It was at

1128
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 5: our Heart Music festival in Vegas, and these motherfuckers looked

1129
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 5: like killers, like they were like big, like super goon

1130
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 5: and they were with Gez at the time, and they

1131
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 5: was like, yo, man, man, you know how many times

1132
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 5: we was just told if we see you on site,

1133
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 5: don't even ask no questions, just handle it.

1134
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: And I'm like.

1135
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 5: Really, and they was like, yeah, you know, he's just

1136
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 5: security for Drake whatever, whatever.

1137
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: And I was like, shit, but I can't. Can I

1138
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: be mad at him for feeling the way he.

1139
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: Felt out But when he did the whole send bottles

1140
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: of charlamagne all that, you know, like, why didn't you

1141
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 3: use that as sort of a bridge to maybe resolve

1142
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 3: things and kind of getting a better space.

1143
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: I think we did. I think we did, you know

1144
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: what I mean.

1145
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 5: But that don't mean I'm still not That don't mean

1146
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna have be critical of your music. I'm

1147
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 5: still gonna have my critique. And then also too, I

1148
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 5: think that, you know, I just grew. I grew to

1149
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 5: the point where I was like, why am I knocking

1150
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 5: Drake for being everything we say we want artists to be?

1151
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 5: And what I mean by that is music driven, right,

1152
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 5: not all the mean, even though we latch onto his

1153
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 5: personal life with him, it's just really all about music.

1154
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 5: He you know, even though he executive reduces the top

1155
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 5: boys and the euphorias, you know, he's got other businesses.

1156
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 5: It's still heavy heavy stone music years. Yeah, and he's

1157
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 5: not thugging now if you realize you go back and

1158
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 5: you remember some of the early critique I was on

1159
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 5: him about was like, why you want him thug? Now?

1160
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 5: Remember he was in the Headlines video with the Black

1161
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 5: Hoodies on and they he had that crew with him

1162
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 5: that looked like a flash mob that was about to

1163
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 5: run up in a store and take everything. Even though

1164
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 5: you know, now in hindsight you look at some of

1165
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 5: those faces, you're like, oh, he has some goons with him,

1166
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, there's some goons in there too.

1167
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 5: But my point is I didn't when he was talking

1168
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 5: about singing about catching bodies and all that, I'm like, Yo,

1169
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 5: that ain't you?

1170
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 2: You know?

1171
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 5: So I can almost guarantee that probably was like an

1172
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 5: interesting time for him as well, because he's like, Okay,

1173
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 5: you critique me for singing, now I'm rapping, and you're

1174
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 5: critiquing me about the content of my music. So he

1175
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 5: probably just was on some He probably didn't necessarily know

1176
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 5: how to how to take that that that kind of critique,

1177
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. But for me, it's just

1178
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 5: like he's literally everything you want. Like this whole generation

1179
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 5: for the most part, to him, the Coles, the Kendricks,

1180
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 5: the Shawn's, de Walets, they ain't on no goons shit,

1181
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 5: they ain't on no thug shit. They ain't talking about

1182
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 5: killing people. They ain't celebrating the drug culture crazy. So

1183
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 5: why give him flag for that?

1184
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 4: Were you surprised when he tapped you this ship on?

1185
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 5: I g No, Like that's a that that still happens

1186
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 5: behind the scene, you know, Like it's not like we

1187
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 5: don't send messages to each other. If you don't like

1188
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 5: something that was said, he got no, no, no problem,

1189
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 5: you know, speaking about it.

1190
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: But even with the bottles, it's.

1191
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 5: Like I don't hate him. Like the reason that even

1192
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 5: came about is because I had got some reference tracks

1193
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 5: of Drake music, you know what I mean. I don't

1194
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 5: remember what songs it was now, I think it one

1195
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 5: of us the Meek mill Rico record. I think one

1196
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 5: might have been know Ourself. I don't remember what they were,

1197
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 5: but it was like these reference tracks, right, and this

1198
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 5: is when the whole Drake doesn't write his music, you know.

1199
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 5: Situation was happening, and I remember hitting up our good

1200
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 5: friend rest in Peace, Jazz Fly, because Jazz was just

1201
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 5: somebody who I always would just go to about things,

1202
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, because jazz was just so

1203
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 5: common sense with it, and she was such a great strategist.

1204
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 5: So I remember just hitting her and like, yo, man,

1205
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 5: I ain't talking about something.

1206
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: She's like, what's up?

1207
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 5: I said, you know, I just got all these Drake

1208
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 5: reference tracks and you know I know this. Whoever, the

1209
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 5: person who sent them to me, thinks I'm going to

1210
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 5: go in on Drake on the radio tomorrow. But I'm like,

1211
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 5: I don't want to do that, Like I don't. I

1212
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 5: don't feel good about that. And that was like coming off.

1213
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 5: I think like maybe the year before, maybe the year

1214
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 5: before that, I had played the audio Floyd Mayweather reading

1215
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Because we had we had

1216
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 5: the audio of Floyd Mayweather reading iHeart drops, and this

1217
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 5: is when fifty and all of them were.

1218
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: Clown to him about not being able to read.

1219
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 5: So I played that audio on air and immediately regretted it.

1220
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 5: Not because nobody pressed me, not because I got in

1221
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 5: any trouble or anything like that, just because I'm like

1222
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 5: that was whack, Like why I didn't even have no

1223
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 5: reason to do that. Even when you go back and

1224
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 5: listen to the audio, now you hear me saying, fuck that,

1225
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 5: we got to get these ratings. I'm just trying to

1226
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 5: sell I'm saying this on air, like we got to

1227
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 5: get these ratings. I'm just trying to sell a fight.

1228
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 5: He knows how to sell a fight. We selling a fight,

1229
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 5: and that was whacking.

1230
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: Floyd. I've been to Breakfast Club quite a few times.

1231
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 5: He did me a NV's MTV shows, Just like why,

1232
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 5: what was the reason to do that? You know the Floyd.

1233
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 5: So I was telling Jazz like I didn't want to

1234
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 5: feel like that again, you know, by you know, putting

1235
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 5: this Drake audio out, and she was.

1236
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 2: Like, and that's the thing about Jazz, she never told

1237
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: you what to do.

1238
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 5: You tell her how you feeling, and she'll be like,

1239
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 5: I understand why you feel like that, and you're probably

1240
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 5: absolutely right because you know how you're gonna feel about it.

1241
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 5: So now you feel like, Okay, I'm making my own choice.

1242
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 5: I'm making my own decision. So I was like, you

1243
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 5: know what, I'm gonna just send these to J Prince.

1244
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 5: That was That's what I said. I'm talking because J

1245
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 5: Prince my guy, So I'm just gonna send me to

1246
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 5: J Prince. And that's what I did. And then, you know,

1247
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 5: I didn't know Jazz and Drake were cool. I didn't

1248
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 5: know Drazz and Drake were actually homies. So she ends

1249
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 5: up calling Drake telling Drake what's going on, and Drake

1250
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 5: is like, well, who told you that? I need to

1251
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 5: know who told you that? So I can't even know

1252
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 5: if it's real. And she was like, Charlamagne told me that.

1253
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 5: And Drake was like, Charlamagne, that motherfucker hates me. Why

1254
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 5: would he Why would he come to you and tell

1255
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 5: you that? And she was like, I've been trying to

1256
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 5: tell you he does not hate you. So I've never

1257
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 5: hated him in any way, shape or form. So when

1258
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 5: he sent the card Let's be Friends, Yeah, that opened

1259
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 5: up the line of communication cause I never spoken to

1260
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 5: the guy ever. He never even threatened me personally before.

1261
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1262
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 5: So it's just like now, like we do, we have

1263
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 5: a lot of communication. I don't think I have no

1264
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 5: problem with Drake. I respect what Drake has built, and

1265
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 5: when I went to his show, I forgot what yeah

1266
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 5: that was, But it was the show with Future, and

1267
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 5: you realize, like, who the he ain't even making singing

1268
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 5: songs for motherfuckers like me.

1269
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: He's making singing songs for this big ass diverse audience

1270
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 2: that's here right now.

1271
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,479
Speaker 5: It was probably the most diverse crowd I've ever seen

1272
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 5: in a rap show in my life. So when you

1273
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 5: see that, you realize why he makes the kind of

1274
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 5: music he does, and he's not wrong for it. This

1275
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 5: ship has got him in the conversation of being one

1276
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 5: of the best ever. So who gives a fuck what

1277
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 5: we think?

1278
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 6: Do you still like rap?

1279
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:49,479
Speaker 5: I love rap?

1280
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: I love hip hop.

1281
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 6: I love rap music because I know we've talked about it.

1282
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: He talked about like how afrobeats is going to take

1283
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: over and that sound is going to dominate. I don't

1284
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: know if you're still if you've become to chance it

1285
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: with the current sound.

1286
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 5: I love hip hop, but I just think everything runs

1287
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 5: its course, Like there's not a genre of music that

1288
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 5: you know at some point was the number one genre

1289
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 5: that you know is no longer the number one genre,

1290
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 5: like it just happens, like hip hop is just having

1291
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 5: a very long run, and hip hop is going to

1292
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 5: always have a place. But I mean when you look

1293
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 5: at like black music on a on a global level,

1294
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 5: I just think, you know, afrobeats has a lot of

1295
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 5: things going forward to where I can see it being

1296
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 5: the dominant Black genre of music at some point.

1297
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 3: I would love to see somebody really add bars to that,

1298
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: Like if there's a way to incorporate lyricism to that,

1299
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: son I think.

1300
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 5: I think I think somebody I've seen I've heard bass

1301
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 5: try to do that a little bit, you know, Ruby

1302
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 5: and Vincent recently on the on the on the project

1303
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 5: that Emery dropped, you know, just even some of Ruben

1304
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 5: Song's period, Like you know, I've seen him tap into

1305
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 5: that lane a little bit, you.

1306
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

1307
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 5: I just I think it's a matter of time before

1308
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 5: before it comes. But especially when you start going to

1309
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 5: the continent, when you start visiting Ghana and you know,

1310
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 5: Johannesburg and like these different places on the continent, Man,

1311
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 5: you really start to see what afrobeats can be. And like,

1312
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 5: you know, the artists that they're already collaborating with, like

1313
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 5: burna boyd as sharing already got songs and stuff together.

1314
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 5: And when you talk to people like Ed, they tell

1315
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 5: you the same thing, like, I just feel like your

1316
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 5: afrobeats is going to be the biggest global music out soon,

1317
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 5: you know. And if it feels like we're it feels

1318
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 5: like we're going that way right now.

1319
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 4: But how much do you think Hip I was going

1320
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 4: over because we saw that. To me, haven't really replaced.

1321
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 3: We call the Big three, like the Drake Kendrick Cole

1322
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 3: was like the leaders in the space of the new generation.

1323
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 3: Little Baby kind of had a moment where he was

1324
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 3: almost senting to it and then he kind of fell short.

1325
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 4: Like do you think that plays a factor in it?

1326
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 5: I think that's because the industry has changed, meaning that

1327
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 5: we don't consume music the way that we used to.

1328
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 5: So there was a time where you could really change

1329
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 5: the temperature. It was called programming for a reason, right,

1330
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 5: So you had radio programming and you had television programming.

1331
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 5: So like when fifty get Rich of died trying when

1332
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 5: just fifty cent g unit was bubbling, everybody knew they

1333
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 5: was bubbling because you could see the tide changing on radio.

1334
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 5: Like let's just say it was jay Z. You know

1335
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 5: before fifty. You know, when you started to see fifty coming,

1336
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 5: you just knew it. Because the industry has changed, the

1337
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 5: radio changed, and what television was talking about changed. I think,

1338
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 5: you know, since Drake and Cole and Kendrick have come along,

1339
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 5: I don't think that these traditional platforms have caught up

1340
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 5: to what the Internet is necessarily doing. And being that

1341
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 5: the Internet moves on so fast from things, I don't

1342
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 5: think you could ever have that type of momentum from

1343
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 5: an artist ever. Again, I don't think we'll ever see

1344
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 5: Drake momentum, Kendrick momentum, Cole momentum. Think back in the day,

1345
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 5: GZ momentum, fifty cent momentum, what I'm talking about right now,

1346
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 5: US three we know exactly that feeling.

1347
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 3: I would say fifty was the biggest mainstream is still

1348
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 3: the biggest underground at the same time.

1349
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 4: That's what's crazy about it.

1350
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 5: This generation don't even know what that feeling is, Like,

1351
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 5: who is that person that's generating that kind of momentum

1352
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 5: for this generation? Like oh man, you see that coming,

1353
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 5: you see that coming, you know what I mean? And

1354
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 5: then when it comes pasted like boom is here, I

1355
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 5: don't know who's been the last person at that that

1356
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 5: just done that.

1357
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 2: I really don't know.

1358
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 5: It's been a while, it's been a long long time.

1359
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 5: It felt like that was Kardi for a second though. Yeah,

1360
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 5: and I don't but Cardi wasn't a movement, you know

1361
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. She was.

1362
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 2: She was an individual like the people that.

1363
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 4: Might be the last one.

1364
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 3: She might be the last one, right because I mean,

1365
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 3: if you think of how big that record was, the

1366
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 3: album and two Diamond singles off that album, Like, I

1367
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 3: can't really deny.

1368
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 5: The people I'm talking about usher than new movements. Yeah,

1369
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 5: fifty usher in a new movement, Snoop Dogg in the movement.

1370
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: I can DMX.

1371
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 5: I remember when I remember where I was when It

1372
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 5: Dark and Hell Is Hot came out, Like it just

1373
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 5: don't feel like there's but it don't feel like there's

1374
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 5: any events anymore, Like when when Jay sold five million records.

1375
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 5: We all we all remember where we were when Jay

1376
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 5: Z ascended to be the jay Z we know now

1377
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 5: as an artist, Like I don't, I don't know if

1378
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 5: that exists anymore.

1379
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 2: Man, things come and go so fucking fast.

1380
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: You shared a funny meme recently. You said, I stopped

1381
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: trying to wrap. We need electricians.

1382
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1383
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 6: Do you think we have too many rappers?

1384
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 2: Yes? No, I just can't.

1385
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 5: You know. We just just just now in Nashville, we

1386
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 5: do this thing. It's called the Thriller Possibility Summit. It's

1387
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 5: our second annual Thriller Possibility Summit. You know my podcast network,

1388
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 5: The Black Effect. iHeart Nissan. We put it together every year.

1389
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 5: We bring fifty HBCU scholars. We fly him in, set

1390
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 5: them up in hotels, and they're all in STEAM, which

1391
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 5: is science, Technology, engineering, Arts, and mathematics. Right, And like,

1392
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 5: I'm talking to one of the young ladies. She's majoring

1393
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:05,919
Speaker 5: in mechanical engineering. She told me she wanted to start

1394
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 5: a podcast, and I'm like, she was like she I

1395
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 5: think her words like I want to switch gears to

1396
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,439
Speaker 5: start a podcast, And I must have took it wrong

1397
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 5: because I was like, hell no, Like, well, we need

1398
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 5: more engineers, we don't need another personality trying to do

1399
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 5: a podcast.

1400
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: I said, if anything, I'm like, what year are you in?

1401
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: She was like, I'm a junior. I'm like, Yo, document

1402
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: your senior year.

1403
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 4: Do a podcast about that.

1404
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 5: That's what I said, Document your senior year via podcast

1405
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 5: document being this. You know, young black woman who's major

1406
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 5: mechanical engineering. Tell that story because that's something that's unique

1407
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 5: to you, and you know, treat it like a diary,

1408
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 5: right if you.

1409
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: If you must do your podcast.

1410
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 5: No, I don't care about what you got to say

1411
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 5: about Dwight Howard A saucy and act.

1412
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: I don't care about none of that, like for real,

1413
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: like I don't care about that. Like so, so, yeah,

1414
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 2: we need.

1415
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 5: More electricians, we need engineers, we need more lawyers, we

1416
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 5: need more architects. I think that, Like I didn't go

1417
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 5: to college, you know what I'm saying.

1418
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 2: So for me, when I was young, the people.

1419
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 5: Who I saw that were successful usually were in sports

1420
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 5: or entertainment. So that's why I gravitated towards entertainment. I

1421
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 5: wanted to rap at first. Luckily I had a mentor,

1422
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 5: doctor Robert Evans, who told me, I seffed that rapping,

1423
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. But I had just started

1424
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 5: on radio and he was from Rochdale, Queens in New York.

1425
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 5: He said to me, he goes, yo, radio ain't your thing,

1426
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 5: But I mean rap ain't your thing, but that radio,

1427
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 5: he said, if you focus on that, you could be

1428
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 5: one of the best that ever do it. And he

1429
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 5: started talking to me about mister Magic, Frankie Krapin and all.

1430
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 5: It grew up on it like I'm telling you you

1431
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 5: could be one of them.

1432
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 4: And so what do you think you had that early?

1433
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 6: What was it?

1434
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: I really don't know.

1435
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 5: I well, I don't know, but I will say that

1436
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 5: what I did benefit from is not having any formal training.

1437
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: I never did college radio. I didn't know how to

1438
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 2: do radio.

1439
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 5: I was just a kid who was lucky enough to

1440
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 5: get an intern ship and was being that. That was

1441
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 5: the most productive thing I was doing in my life

1442
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 5: at the time, hanging out at the radio station all

1443
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 5: the time, you know, and like my man is doing that.

1444
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 5: Willie Will he was a radio personality. He would bring

1445
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 5: me on his show at night. We were on the

1446
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 5: same age and he would bring me on the show

1447
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 5: at night. We would just talk and like my man

1448
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 5: Ron White, who was the music director of the time,

1449
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 5: he was just like yo, I like when you being

1450
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 5: there with Willie Will He said, you ever thought about

1451
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 5: doing radio?

1452
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 2: And I was like, nah, but I'm down to try it.

1453
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 2: And that's literally how my radio career started. He started.

1454
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 5: He had me voice track, which is recording eleven am

1455
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 5: to three pm on Sundays, and I was scaring all

1456
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 5: the church folks, so they moved me to Saturday nights

1457
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 5: in Charleston, South Carolina, and that's how I got into

1458
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 5: the radio gain Dope.

1459
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 1: But we back to the music, though, you did say

1460
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: that four four four is like the most important I

1461
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: don't want to misquote you.

1462
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.

1463
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 5: I think in the future, we're going to look at

1464
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 5: jay Z four four four and Kendrick Lamar Mister Morale

1465
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 5: and the Big Steppers and say, these are the two

1466
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 5: most important hip hop albums of all time. And it's

1467
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 5: because of the content, it's because of the subject matter.

1468
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 5: It's because these two brothers. And it's great to even

1469
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 5: watched him, right, because you got jay Z, who at

1470
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 5: the time was late forties, Kendrick mid thirties, and they're

1471
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 5: both talking about.

1472
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: The same things.

1473
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 5: I would almost venture to say four four four probably

1474
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 5: gave Kendrick the courage to make a Mister Morale and

1475
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 5: the Big Step, you know, because Jay was on there

1476
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 5: talking about therapy, and he was talking about therapy in

1477
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 5: his interviews with The New York Times, and he was

1478
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 5: talking about, you know, trying to get things right with

1479
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 5: his wife, and you know his infidelity at all.

1480
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 2: Like I remember, I remember turning thirty nine. That album

1481
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 2: came out June thirtieth.

1482
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 5: I forgot what year it was, twenty twenty seventeen, twenty seventeen,

1483
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 5: I turned thirty nine, and I remember leaving a party,

1484
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 5: this a little get together we had on the roof.

1485
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 5: I remember leaving that, getting in the car, putting on

1486
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 5: Jay Z and saying to myself, this, man, is this

1487
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 5: is the down.

1488
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: Track to my life right now.

1489
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 5: Everything that's going on in my life, building these black businesses,

1490
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 5: doing right about my wife, going to therapy, trying to

1491
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 5: be a better father, be a better husband. This is

1492
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 5: my life right now, you know. And I feel like

1493
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 5: Hendrick came along last year and took it a whole

1494
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 5: step farther, like like you know what I mean. And

1495
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 5: I think that we're not going to realize the importance

1496
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 5: of those two albums until much much later in life,

1497
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 5: because you know, everybody ain't dead yet, that's the reality situation.

1498
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 5: Everybody ain't on their healing journey, you know what I mean.

1499
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 5: Some people are just getting started on their healing journey.

1500
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 5: Some people have tried it didn't work for them, you

1501
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 5: know what I mean. Some people don't want to hear that.

1502
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 5: You know how back of the day, we like, I

1503
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 5: don't hear that god body shit, remember that, Remember that,

1504
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 5: remember the black girl long back in Africa. Shit, Hey,

1505
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 5: I don't hit that back to Africa shit. That's how

1506
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 5: people talk about it. Now.

1507
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 2: I don't hear that mental health shit. I don't hear

1508
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 2: that therapy ship. I don't hear about that dealing with

1509
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 2: trauma shit, that healing shit like we ain't dead right now.

1510
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: People are full of shit. They say that they want

1511
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: that stuff. When people like Kendrick Lamar delivers it to them,

1512
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: they give you mixed reviews.

1513
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 5: Look what they did Drake this year.

1514
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, they want Drake to grow up.

1515
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1516
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: Moments, if you listen to the music, he has moments

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Speaker 1: of maturity quote unquote.

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01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely you know.

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01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 5: But but Kendrick gave you a whole mature project project,

1520
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 5: and it's.

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01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: Like it kind of came and went to me, you know,

1522
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 2: think so. I mean, he went on the road and

1523
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: tore it, of course, but it felt like.

1524
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 4: He got critical acclaim but it didn't.

1525
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 3: It was polarizing to people, and people didn't really give

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01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 3: it its fullness.

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01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 4: In terms of like the internet crowd.

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01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: But I think maybe because Kendrick didn't do press around it,

1529
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: he didn't speak on, you know, contextualize the art.

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01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 6: So I feel like maybe some people just kind of

1531
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 6: removed himself from it.

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01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 5: That's the point. You gotta have that, But that goes

1533
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 5: back to something else. That's why these conversations are important,

1534
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like your artists got to

1535
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 5: sit down.

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01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, what's your take on that? Where

1537
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 3: artists feel like they don't have to it's a big deal.

1538
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 3: Now artists feel like they don't have to do the

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01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 3: interviews anymore.

1540
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 4: They don't have to sit down.

1541
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 5: I don't feel like they have to. But I think

1542
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 5: that they have to know how it benefits them, you know.

1543
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 5: And I do like the artists the artist interviews, like

1544
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 5: I like what I like to see what Yachti's doing.

1545
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 5: But I think that it's still a different conversation to

1546
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 5: be had with somebody who's not an artist, you know

1547
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 5: what I mean. It's a different conversation to be had

1548
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 5: with it, be that in the elliot it's a different

1549
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 5: conversation to be had with a Angie Martinez.

1550
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 2: It's a different conversation to be.

1551
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 5: Had, you know, with a sway you know, our breakfast

1552
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 5: club whoever it is like, it's a different conversation to

1553
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 5: be had, you know. But I don't think they have

1554
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 5: to do it, but I think they have to understand

1555
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 5: how it it does benefit them, you know. But I mean,

1556
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 5: if you want to do what you wanted to be

1557
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 5: focused on music, you know, for the most part, Like,

1558
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 5: I don't have no problem talking about somebody's personal if

1559
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 5: the personal is in the music, I think that's the

1560
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 5: best way to get into it, because yeah, the artist

1561
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 5: is like, okay, so not only did this person listen,

1562
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 5: you know, now they're quoting my lyrics, Now I get

1563
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 5: to expound on the art. The art reflects your life anyway,

1564
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 5: so you're going to get that same personal and so

1565
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 5: you know about the person's personal life if you.

1566
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 2: You know, do it through the art.

1567
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 3: But that reminds me though you've stepped out of the

1568
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 3: breakfast club for Matt and you like when Travis Scott

1569
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 3: first spoke about the tragedy, he sat with you, Like,

1570
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 3: what's your mindset going to those interviews?

1571
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 5: That's what they wanted you know, Travis hit Me was like,

1572
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 5: y'all want to sit with Charlamagne one on one?

1573
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 2: You know? Actually it was Kim hit Me.

1574
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 5: Actually it was Kim hit Me, but yeah, they was like,

1575
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, they wanted to sit with me one

1576
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 5: on one, and that's how most of them go.

1577
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 2: I don't even I honestly don't even know how that started.

1578
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how.

1579
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 5: It wasn't a thing like I was like, you know what,

1580
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 5: I'm gonna start doing one on one conversations. That was

1581
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 5: never a thing.

1582
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 2: It literally was like the artist.

1583
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 5: It might have been Kanye. Kanye might have been the

1584
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 5: one who started that. Kanye might have been like, Yo,

1585
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 5: I want to I want to talk to you. I

1586
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 5: want you to fly out to LA and this is

1587
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 5: what I want to do. I think it was Kanye one.

1588
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 5: I had to be Kanye, but dad Kanye started that.

1589
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 5: So it was just like once Kanye did it, then

1590
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 5: a lot of other people wanted to do it, you know,

1591
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 5: and Sharon hit Me he wanted to do it, and

1592
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 5: you know, push your tea later on Rhapsody, like you know,

1593
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 5: and it's it's I don't mind doing that. I like

1594
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 5: having the one on one, you know, conversations like my

1595
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 5: favorite one happened earlier this year. That's with Judy Bloom,

1596
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 5: you know and author because I grew up reading Julie Bloom.

1597
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 5: I love Judy Bloom as the storyteller just as much

1598
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 5: as I love Ghost Face as a story straight up,

1599
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? I was. I was running

1600
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 5: through Judy Blooming Beverly Clearly books, you know, as a kid.

1601
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 5: So that was a dream for me able to be

1602
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 5: able to sit down and sit with Judie Bloom. And

1603
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 5: that's the ones you you know, your mom is like, Wow,

1604
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 5: that's the ones your mom's impressed by. My mom's an

1605
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 5: English teacher in South Carolina, so it's like her thing

1606
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 5: is like that was one that impressed her, you know.

1607
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 6: So was that your made it moment? Have you had

1608
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 6: that yet?

1609
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 2: I made it?

1610
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 5: Nah?

1611
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 2: I haven't had it.

1612
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 5: I made it moment. You know why I haven't had it,

1613
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 5: not made it moment because my mom told me a

1614
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 5: long time ago. She just said, always be happy to

1615
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 5: be making a living. And that's just how I feel

1616
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 5: like they got it, thank God. Like literally, I'm just

1617
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 5: happy to be making a living. I'm like, I like,

1618
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 5: I'm just happy to be here. I'm happy to be

1619
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 5: in this position. That's why I don't get caught up

1620
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 5: in none of the like so called competition I got,

1621
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 5: Like you know, you know why he likes to knock

1622
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 5: everything off the chess board.

1623
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

1624
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 5: I'm not. You know, I'm not. I'm not that person.

1625
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like I don't, I'm not.

1626
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 5: I'm just happy to be here. I feel like all

1627
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 5: of us can coexist. I like seeing this person over

1628
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 5: there doing anything, that person over there doing any thing.

1629
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 5: So it's just like for me, it's just like I

1630
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 5: made it. I haven't had that because do you ever

1631
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 5: truly make it in this business? You know?

1632
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I don't know if you ever

1633
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 2: truly make it.

1634
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 5: I think you are happy with where you with what

1635
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 5: you have done, but I don't know if you ever

1636
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 5: truly made it, because I feel like there's always different

1637
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 5: levels and different steps, Like making.

1638
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 2: It in my twenties isn't the same as making it

1639
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 2: in my thirties.

1640
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 5: Like your your your your ideas change, you know, your

1641
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 5: aspiration has changed, your.

1642
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 2: Goals change, Like when did I make it?

1643
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 5: Did I make it? When we made the Radio Hall

1644
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 5: of Fame? Did I make it when we became nationally syndicated.

1645
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 5: These are all bols that I had in mind, and

1646
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 5: then when you accomplish them, you still don't feel like

1647
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 5: you necessarily made it.

1648
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 2: So I don't know if I've had I made it

1649
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 2: moment or so.

1650
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 3: If we're not doing competition with Signing Interval Presents, I

1651
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 3: see a Black Effect hat right there.

1652
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 4: Yep, Yeah, what's the collaboration. What's going on with the

1653
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 4: state of the Black Effect Podcast Network?

1654
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 5: Black Effect, Man, we got twenty eight podcasts on the network,

1655
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 5: close to a billion downloads, you know in three years.

1656
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 5: You know, we're doing great events like the Black Effect

1657
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 5: Podcast Festival, which you know happens every April and Atlanta.

1658
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:33,879
Speaker 2: We're doing it again next year in Atlanta.

1659
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 5: We just had our Thriller Possibilities something, our second annual one.

1660
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 5: So it's just like for me, man, anything you build,

1661
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 5: if it only benefits you, it's not big enough. And

1662
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 5: I feel like that's what you see nowadays. You see

1663
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 5: everybody they have their individual platforms, and you know, their

1664
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 5: their their individual platforms benefit them, you know, but what

1665
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 5: kind of platform are you building that benefits of other people?

1666
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 5: Like you know, we got a full staff at Black

1667
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 5: Effect a president, like you know, we got a board

1668
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 5: like John Hope, Brian is on our boards. You know,

1669
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 5: Dolly Bishop is our president. Like we have a full

1670
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 5: fledged company. And you know this is something that didn't

1671
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 5: exist three years ago. So you know, to be in

1672
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 5: partnership with iHeart be fifty one percent majority owner. You

1673
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 5: can look it up like it's saying something I'm making up,

1674
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 5: just throwing numbers out, like I'm a fifty one percent

1675
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 5: majority owner of the Black Effect podcast network, like you

1676
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,560
Speaker 5: were a certified black owned company. You know, to be

1677
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 5: doing something like that and to have, you know, all

1678
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 5: of these different creators that we're partnering with from eighty

1679
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 5: five South Show to All the Smoke to Carefully Reckless

1680
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 5: with Jess Hilarious, like, you know, it's it's a it's

1681
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 5: a it's a great feeling, man.

1682
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 6: It's great feeling having you here, Charlamagne.

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01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 4: Thank you, brothers.

1684
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 6: Great on podcast.

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1690
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