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Speaker 1: All right, here we go, Pack twelve Fans. This one's

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Speaker 1: the truth lives here. Pack twelve Apostles. Apostles Another day,

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Speaker 1: another dollar in the Pack twelve, our week seven preview,

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Speaker 1: our Week six in review, of course, our Pack twelve

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Speaker 1: and this is the Pack twelve Apostles, the Pack twelve Apostles,

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Speaker 1: as the podcast Bipack twelve Fans four Pack twelve Fans,

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Speaker 1: where you get the truth, no sugarcoating allowed. We keep

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Speaker 1: it one hundred about the conference and everybody in it. So, Ralph,

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Speaker 1: what was your assessment of week six in the PAC twelve.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to sum up like an overall assessment right

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Speaker 1: in the beginning that we still don't know, We still

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Speaker 1: don't know who the best teams are from week to week.

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Speaker 1: The inconsistency is the only consistency in the Fact twelve.

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Speaker 1: Bro It's wow, right like that, just when you think

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Speaker 1: that you know something, Stanford messes around and beats ore again.

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Speaker 1: Granted there were some circumstances around it, officer coordinator, missing referees,

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Speaker 1: all this other stuff, but you still shouldn't lose that

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Speaker 1: And now their season is dashed. They won't win. I mean,

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Speaker 1: but it's the pack t well they might. Oregon State

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what to Ralph. I. I I can't

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Speaker 1: team's ability to maximize that talent. And so here we are.

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Speaker 1: That's when when people started to get excited about Oregon State.

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Speaker 1: here we are two weeks later, two bad quarterback performances

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Speaker 1: with all the distractions that they're facing, we're finally able

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Speaker 1: then you gotta look at Washington State and say, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's been so much negativity surrounding this team.

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Speaker 1: Are they for real? Well, I mean they've been ahead

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Speaker 1: in every single second half of every game that they've

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Speaker 1: played this year. Nick Rolovich didn't get this job by accident.

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Speaker 1: He is very, very very good at what he does.

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Speaker 1: He brought an unnecessary level of drama. Not probably not

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Speaker 1: And at the same time, he's a very good football

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the rest of Georgia's schedule,

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Speaker 1: a bunch of turnovers in in uh the last couple

429
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: of years and now I don't see that out of him,

430
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: and he's the healthiest he's ever been. There's not an

431
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: excuse for I don't understand why none of these guys

432
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: are ever in position to really make a play. They're

433
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: getting destroyed. Has to be, like it's got to be coaching, right,

434
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: And that's what I've actually heard from other coaches about

435
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: Dante Williams, that he's a hell of a recruiter, but

436
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: when it comes to the actual xs and ohs or

437
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: coaching up of players, that that's where it kind of,

438
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: you know, lose loses, and so like, can you keep

439
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: him on in a recruiting capacity that doesn't you know,

440
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: like that he's comfortable with, that doesn't include coaching up

441
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: of players like that that's your main responsibility. Yeah, I

442
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: mean it's possible he's getting humbled right now. I just

443
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: the Oregon State thing of them not winning in sixty

444
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: one years in l a and then you get Utah

445
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: winning for the first time at the coliseum in a

446
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: hundred and five years, first time since helmets wor a

447
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: thing this is and the and the way they did it,

448
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: and then having and then and then coming out and

449
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: saying keat and Slovis gave you the best chance to win,

450
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: so that's why you stuck with him. But there was

451
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: no chance to win. You had zero chance to win

452
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: at the I mean, it's it's to ten what it

453
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: couldn't stop anybody? So who I don't know, man and it,

454
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: but everybody's gotta go. I mean, Graham Harrold can't be

455
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: affiliated with USC anymore, Tod Orlando can't be affiliated with

456
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: the USC anymore. For continuity's sake. Maybe Dante Williams, but

457
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: he's he's getting, he's he's eating that humble pie and

458
00:27:53,359 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: he's recruiting. Yeah, yea, So he's probably, I'm guessing, is

459
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: operating with the expectation that he's still gonna be a round.

460
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: He's trying to which which I like. Okay, now back

461
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: to the game. Though, you had Drake London sixteen catches

462
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: for a hundred and sixty two yards, had a touchdown,

463
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: and then he dropped like two passes and a couple

464
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: of sailed overs and we're talking about twenty plus targets

465
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: for a guy like we're approaching you know, Lane Kiff

466
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: and feed the meter um thing. But Gary Bryan Jr.

467
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: Have five catches Epps. Washington have four Keyonte Graham had

468
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: three out of the backfield. I like ToJ Washington they

469
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: got they gotta find a way to get him the

470
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: ball in a little bit of space, how because they're

471
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: thrown into Drake London every place. So, so what did

472
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: you make of Like, I mean, we've talked extensively about

473
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: this offense, but what do you think about it? About

474
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: this oh, about the game, the offense within the game. UM,

475
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: I think it probably would have worked if the defense

476
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: didn't didn't get the doors blown off them in four

477
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: consecutive drives. I think it probably you know, I think

478
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: I think the offense was doing what the offense was

479
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: was was built to do. Um, But it's not really

480
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: what the weirdest thing about this offense is, it's kind

481
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: of an offense that, like at the NFL level, you'd

482
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: have to run if you're playing from behind and you

483
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: were desperate. But when USC gets down, they can't catch up,

484
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: and and you might you might look at it and

485
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, well look what they did against Washington State.

486
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: But was that really down? Was fourteen to seven? Was

487
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: fourteen to seven at halftime? That's not like insurmountable I'm

488
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 1: talking about the fact that once they go down like

489
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: three scores. This is the type of offense that you

490
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: would think would claw you back in it, but wouldn't

491
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: even allow you to get down three scores. And Kyle

492
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: Winningham has struggled with the air raid in his tenure.

493
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: I guess everybody everybody has they Jimmy Lake and Katowski

494
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: or Pete Kiosk the now the the defensive coordinator at

495
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: UM Texas, who was that you you up? They gave

496
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: you the blueprint. They gave you the blueprint. Now um

497
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: onto the game that actually happened. On Friday, Arizona State

498
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: hosted Stanford beat Stanford up to ten. And first thing

499
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: is I figured out, I don't really think Tennant Tanner

500
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: McKee is all that great. No, no, there are there.

501
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: There are times he makes some throws across the middle

502
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: and he looks like a very competent quarterback. But some

503
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: of them are just like I'm just gonna not really

504
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: move in the pocket, toss it up to these big

505
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: guys and they will go get it. And but Stanford

506
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: did um in this game. Arizona State looked at the

507
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: Reagan game and we're like, oh, we're not gonna let

508
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: them just throw freaking slants for first downs. And so

509
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: when they when they couldn't do that, they had to

510
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: go to something else, and voil. I guess what. It

511
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: didn't work because Stanford can't run the football. And if

512
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: you stop slants and goes, that's all they're gonna run

513
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: slants and goals trying to get first downs. If you

514
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: stop that, you stop them. Good job, Arizona State. Um.

515
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: I have to give Antonio Pierce a lot of credit

516
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: for what he's doing with this defense, especially in second

517
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: They are number one in the conference and scoring defense

518
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: sixteen point two points a game. So listen, I got

519
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: nothing bad to say about them on defense aside from

520
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: in that B y U game. And all right, well

521
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: let's get into you being annoyed with both quarterbacks in

522
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: this game. Okay, So, and I figured out I'm not

523
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: a Jade Daniels fan. He is probably the most annoying

524
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: player in all of football period, college football, pro football,

525
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: high school football, anything. And you're gonna love the reason why.

526
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna love the reason why because Jaden Daniels, the

527
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: way he wears his damn helmet, Dude, is just insane.

528
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: Every single play. This fool has to adjust his helmet

529
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: every place because he doesn't keep it tightened up. You

530
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: after every play, and then after every time he slides

531
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: or gets up, he I gotta jungle my helmet. Put

532
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: tighten your damn helmet up, man, Jesus Christ. Everybody, Hey

533
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: not everybody has a head the size of yours in mind,

534
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Oh god, it's so frustrating to watch.

535
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: It's just like every play, just dude, and another player

536
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: who does Who does that is Kyler Kyler Murray, Kyler Murray,

537
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: same thing. But at least he doesn't have to adjust

538
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: to every single play. At least you don't have to

539
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: wear it like super tight strapped up because I understand

540
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't a super tight guy, but there, but there

541
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: comes a level of, you know, just reasonable, like there

542
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: has to be a happy medium to where because he's

543
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: putting himself at risk for having to come out every

544
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: single time, every single time somebody touches him because he's

545
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: gotta hold his helmet on. I can't, I can't. It

546
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: makes it, It makes it so painful to watch this dude,

547
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: this good football player play football. It's just annoying on

548
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: like He makes me want to turn the game off. Really, yes,

549
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: what would you do if your own back when you're

550
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: playing tight end? If Joey Harrington is messing with the

551
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: heunmet between every play, did you get on him? Coaches

552
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: would have, Oh, that's funny, that's really funny. I don't know.

553
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: I would look as a coach, I would say, listen,

554
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: you're doing You're gonna get a six thirty. If your

555
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: helmet comes off and you have to miss a play,

556
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: six thirty that means ten one tens up and up

557
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: and down. However, so keep your helmet however you want it.

558
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: If you miss a play, there's punishment. All right, Well,

559
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: let's talk about his play on the field. Can we

560
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: get past the helmet thing for a minute. All right? Um, okay,

561
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: First of all, let me give you some wild stats,

562
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: because there were some Heisman whispers, right. I might have

563
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: even been one of the ones whispering. He is on

564
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: pace in a twelve game season for about hundred yards

565
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: eight touchdowns. It's six picks and seven hundred and fifty

566
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: yards rushing. Oh my god, it's six picks and and

567
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: potentially going like eleven and one. This is a This

568
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: is the weirdest quarterback season I've ever seems like they're

569
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: winning in spite of him and not because of him.

570
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: But then when you actually watch the game, he's actually

571
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: doing a much better job with his feet than he

572
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: is with his arm. There are four of the six

573
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: games this year that he has not thrown a touchdown pass.

574
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: How is that even possible? I don't know. He's completing

575
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: seven of his passes, but a lot of them are

576
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: there throwing a ton of screens, you know, a lot

577
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: of short stuff as well. He do you do? You do?

578
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: You know who? He reminds me a little bit of? Um,

579
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's one. There's one name that you

580
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: can say that would really annoying. Sam the former U

581
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: c l A quarterback. Um, he went to the Packers.

582
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: Former U c l A quarterback that went to the Packers.

583
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god. He was there under Mora oh Man.

584
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: Brett Hunley. Yes, where where where? Brett Huntley was consistent

585
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: the high completion percentage, but the majority of the passes

586
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: were thrown behind the line of scrimmage. He was he

587
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: ran for yard like this is who he plays like

588
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: is Brett Hunley? Except for Brett Hundley was throwing way

589
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: more touchdowns. Well, you'll never guess what state Brett Hunley's from.

590
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: Of course he's from Arizona. Yeah, he actually went to

591
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: the same high school as me. He I do remember

592
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: a lot of the screens, and I do remember that

593
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: he that there were a lot of deep strikes. And

594
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: his senior are he completed about his passes twenty two touchdowns,

595
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: five interceptions. Yeah, except for Yeah, That's why I said,

596
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: except for his touchdowns are way up and he was. Yeah,

597
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: I guess I would say maybe maybe any rushed for

598
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: six hundred He rushed for seven hundred yards as a junior,

599
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: sixty four as a senior. But he's been sorry junior, Yeah,

600
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: as a sophomore in the junior he bailed after his

601
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: red shirt junior year. Do you think that Jane Daniels

602
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: is gonna be able to leave after his junior year?

603
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: Do you think he's done enough? No? Well, actually, I

604
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: mean he's done done enough to get a camp invite,

605
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: but and maybe a late round pick. There's no way

606
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: he's drafted in the first four or five rounds if

607
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: he leaves right now, no way, no chance. And my honey,

608
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: was a fifth round pick. If he stay if he had.

609
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: If you, okay, be be honest about this. If you

610
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: have the choice to draft after this year, Jayden Daniels

611
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: or Tanner McKee, who would your draft first? Oh? Um, well,

612
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: I'd say after actually watching Tanner McKee against a s

613
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: U that he showed me some guts. He made a

614
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: couple of really good throws. His arm angles kind of wonky. Um.

615
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: I look at Jaden Daniels and I'm like, Okay, there's

616
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: some escapability. And so the quarterback that I thought that

617
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,479
Speaker 1: you were going to bring his name up which would

618
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: upset a s U fans was Tyler Huntley. Um, but

619
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: Tyler Huntley is one of those guys that like went

620
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: to the NFL and he showed them based upon what

621
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: Tyler Huntley is doing in the NFL, not not in college,

622
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: that Tyler Huntley is better than Jade Daniels. Interesting. I

623
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: just think I think both are really good at limiting mistakes.

624
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: Both show really good fundamentals from time to time. But

625
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: neither one is a guy that's like, all right, this

626
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: is a pent on me, let's go. Because a lot

627
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: of time has just hit open receivers even if you

628
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: scheme them open down field, I don't see Jade Daniels

629
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: throw and and as somebody who follows Arizona State and

630
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: somebody who used to cover Arizona State exclusively. As far

631
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: as on the college end, you know, I was watching Burko,

632
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: Mike BERGEVICI just wing it, Taylor Kelly go back shoulder

633
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: with Jalen Strong like every single down. Um. You know,

634
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: you you used to quarterbacks doing things a little bit

635
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: different quarterbacking, and and he's more managing at this point,

636
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: which is not putting a full skill set on display,

637
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: I suppose. But then at the same time, you're like, well,

638
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: I like his feet, I like his form, I like

639
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: his quickness on somebody, somebody's gonna say the arrogance of coaching, right,

640
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: somebody is going to look at him and say, like,

641
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: I'm the one that can figure this out. But maybe

642
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: after next year he better stay in school. Yeah, but

643
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: will he stayed? There's on a state. That's the thing

644
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: that we gotta figure out. But what what did you

645
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: think of the of the you know ten as you

646
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: didn't go super above and beyond. They were still missing

647
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: a couple of players. They still you know, they lost

648
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: Chase Lucas early in the game for the second time.

649
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: Chase Lucas gotten hit trying to make a tackle twice

650
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: this year and had to miss the whole game. And

651
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: they still found a way with Jack Jones, Evan Fields

652
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: the secondary Jack Jones this year. Jack Jones is ball.

653
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: I love when he flexes on people. I love when

654
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: he delivers hits, he when he gets going. He's so

655
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: much fun. But then you have this defensive line and

656
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: I I'm i'mnna be honest, man, if there's a candidate

657
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: for the next head coach of Arizona State University, I

658
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: think it should be Robert Rodriguez, their defensive line coach.

659
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: He has a defensive line missing its two best players,

660
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 1: arguably bawling out. And I think that that the efforts

661
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: offensive line is terrible. I mean, if you look at

662
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: the second half of that Oregon game, they only had

663
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: thirty nine yards of total offense and UM prior to

664
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: that last drive, and then they got like fifty yards

665
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: and penalties UM. And I guess we're gonna find out

666
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: this week. That's when we'll that's when we'll know if

667
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: this just Arizona State d line is legit. UM. Stanford,

668
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: they I told you how long have I been saying

669
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: that intellectual brutality is broken. It's been a it's it's

670
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: been a while, but they gotta. It's weird because they

671
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: have to go through the process of proving it against

672
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: each team that they're not who they used to be.

673
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: Because David Shaw, David Shaw and his career, it's four

674
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: and one against against Arizona State, like thinking that they cannot.

675
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: They cannot run the football. They cannot, It's not possible.

676
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: They The last time that Stanford has been able to

677
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: run the football was Bryce Loves junior year. That's the

678
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: last time his senior year. They couldn't run it. Last year,

679
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: they couldn't run it. This year they can't run it again.

680
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: And it seems almost unfathomable that you have Arizona, that

681
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: you have Stanford, with the way that they were running

682
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: the football, that they would be last in the conference

683
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: in rush yards per game, not only nine yards per

684
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: game as Stanford is pretty wild to think about three

685
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: point eight yards a carry total is Stanford is pretty

686
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: wild to think about, especially because Nathaniel Pete, the feature back,

687
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: is actually getting six point two yards per carry. He's

688
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: having a really good season. However, they and I know

689
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: that I know that David Shaw probably doesn't think that

690
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: they need this. They need to move into the modern

691
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: era with a mobile quarterback, they really do. They need

692
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: somebody who's not going to be a net negative when

693
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: it comes to when it comes to the rushing game.

694
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: They just can't have. They can't be six games into

695
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: the season and have their quarterbacks be a combined UM

696
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: have a combined thirty three yards rushing. Alright, um, next

697
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: game up we had had uh oh U c l

698
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: A at Arizona and Jordan McLeod, who got hurt in

699
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: the game blew his knee up, actually had the most

700
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: yards passing in this game. Dorrian Thompson Robinson was eight

701
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: for nineteen, eight for nineteen. If if Arizona could stop

702
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: a nosebleed running the football, they would have won this

703
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: football game. Because UM U c l A and Chip

704
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: caliber like, oh we can't throw it, well, cool, we'll

705
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: just run it. Every play they ran for seven times,

706
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty nine yards and three touchdowns. I mean,

707
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: this was an absolute ass whooping on on the ground

708
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: and it leaves me with more questions about U c

709
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: l A than it does answers because like Dorrian Thompson

710
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: Robinson shouldn't play this bad at this point, he's what

711
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: did he That's my question though, that's my question is

712
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: did he play bad? Because at one point he was

713
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: one for six for three yards. It kind of just

714
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: felt like that that the at that point they were like,

715
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: all right, we're not throwing. Is it his job to like,

716
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know if he passes like it.

717
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't care about the actual stats. It's that missing people.

718
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: It's the like, it's the missing people that's the that's

719
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: the issue. Like you can't be wanting to be an

720
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback and you throw the ball nineteen times in

721
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: a game and you get come away with eighty two yards.

722
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: I mean considering he had like three yards passing at halftime.

723
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: It was it was a little more incurred and then

724
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: and that they were playing with the lead, and he

725
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: like they started to figure it out. I don't know,

726
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: this was a really weird game, George. It was really

727
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: really weird in that like nothing seemed to be going

728
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: right for U c. L A. Everything seemed to be

729
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: going right for Arizona. They gave it their absolute best shot.

730
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: They were fun to watch you could see the coachings

731
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: on the up and up and they got blown out.

732
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: That even possible. It was fourteen the thirteen at halftime,

733
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: but it but it felt like they were down by

734
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: three touchdowns. Yeah, this is a weird game. I'm so

735
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: sad for Jordan McLoud. He looked he he got to

736
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 1: the point where you're asking about, like the fifth different

737
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: pack twelve coach this year, how did you not know

738
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: what you had? How did you not know? How was

739
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: it your backup? Like how your backups backup in this case?

740
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: Like how did David Shaw not know that Tanner McKee

741
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: was the guy? How at Washington State did they not

742
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: know that Jaden Dolora was the guy? And how did

743
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: Arizona not know that Jordan mcleoud was was their best option,

744
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: especially when you're gonna need somebody mobile to make up

745
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: for for giant gaps and talent. And that's not to

746
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: say those other two quarterbacks can't get anything done, but

747
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: there are giant gaps in talent at every position on

748
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: the field. They had a former high school court of

749
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: Jamari Joyners back by the way, and he threw a

750
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: touchdown pass, which surprise um that was kind of wild um.

751
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: But everything about this Arizona team looked encouraging. They had

752
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: like thousand fans in the stands and for what like

753
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: they the fact that that he got people able to

754
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: perform admirable, admirably, But they just don't have the talent

755
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: on the defensive end. And maybe they'll develop it with

756
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: some of you heard what what so? And this involves

757
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: Arizona because Arizona has the quarterback from service committed and

758
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: you you've seen him up close. Yes, Oh, that kid

759
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: is if he were four inches taller, because he's like

760
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: five nine. If he were four inches taller, he'd be

761
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: a four almost five star. Kids, the dude is fan fantastic.

762
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: So check this out. USC may lose Devin Brown. We should. Oh,

763
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: I'd love to get into that story at some point

764
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: in the in a some point in this podcast, maybe

765
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: at the end, maybe the end, we'll sell a little

766
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,479
Speaker 1: bonus Devin Brown content. So Devin Brown may bolt on

767
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: USC because you know, you don't know who the next

768
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: head coach is gonna be. All of this and getting

769
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: like he's getting a lot of love from U c

770
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: l A schools right now, Well, well he's he's not

771
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: going to U c l A because uh, what what's

772
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: his name is committing there? Um the kid the kid dropped, yeah,

773
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 1: justin Martin, Okay, so or likely to commit there, so

774
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: you actually have Oh so then USC maybe trying to

775
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: pivot to flip Noah from Arizona to USC because they're

776
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: gonna have a problem because if Keaton Slovis comes, well,

777
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: when um, when the kid from Utah is back healthy,

778
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: Jackson Dark, Yeah, when he's back healthy, if they put

779
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: him in the starting line up, Keith Slovis is gone, right,

780
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna transfer. And then if Jackson Dark plays, well,

781
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: what is um Miller Moss gonna do? You probably leave.

782
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 1: So now you're stuck in a position. You got one

783
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: scholarship quarterback. Yeah, so then instead of having three, well

784
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: sorry yeah, and then you and then if Devin Brown leaves,

785
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: now you gotta pivot to a five nine dude who

786
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: is absolutely fantastic. Maybe maybe that's incentive for Devin Brown

787
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: to stick around, but he went from having a pretty

788
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: average He's one of those guys that look really good

789
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: in camps. Devin Brown's Arizona guy, by the way, just

790
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: moved to Utah and he was he would he would

791
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: have mediocre games, really good camps. Ended up moving to

792
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: corner Kin, Utah, I think to be closer to his brother, Um,

793
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: who is out there. I know his his dad, you know,

794
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 1: owned some color car dealerships out in Arizona. He moves

795
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: out to Utah. He's lead even the country in passing

796
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: right now, and so his options are opening up. And

797
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, Old Miss is looking at him like, if

798
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: we can't get our maining, you know, maybe maybe Devin

799
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: Brown is is the guy that's going to be our future.

800
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: And I don't know. Did you see what happened when

801
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: Devin Brown went out to Ole Miss is one of

802
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: the dumbest stories I've seen in the history of recruiting. Alright,

803
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: so storytime, Devin Brown goes out to Ole Miss, has

804
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: a great time, great time, enjoys the entire experience. Is

805
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: probably a legitimate option for him at this point to

806
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 1: play under Lane Kiffin in that offense. However, the seven

807
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: recruiting reporter for All Miss posted on the message boards

808
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: that he spoke to Devin Brown, that Devin Brown had

809
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: a great time and that this offense was Taylor made

810
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: for him. He spelled Taylor made like the golf Company

811
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: not like Taylor. Like. So, Devin Brown gets a screenshot

812
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: of message board and says, I met this reporter. I

813
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: gave him my phone number, but we haven't talked yet.

814
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: We never spoke, so he is quoting me here and

815
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: I gotta, oh, I gotta find this for you. Um so,

816
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: Devin Brown says, we never we never even spoke. We

817
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: none of this has like ever even happened. And and

818
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: the reporter's name is Yancey Porter. He's recruiting reporter. And

819
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: Yancey Porter ends up sending a d a text message

820
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: to Devon and says Devin, I took the quote down immediately.

821
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: Can you please take your tweet down? It's making me

822
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: look bad? And and then Devin Brown found another post

823
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: on another message board saying that this Yancey Porter guy saying, oh, no,

824
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: I have a stringer the interviews the recruiting reporters. I'm

825
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: sorry if I made it sound like, um, I spoke

826
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: directly to him. It's one of my stringers because there's

827
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: so much going on when all the recruits come in. Well,

828
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: Devin Brown never spoke to a stringer either. He made

829
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 1: up the whole thing that there was even a stringer

830
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 1: so this guy quoted Devin Brown. Devin Brown hadn't talked

831
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: to him, got caught, said that a stringer talked to him.

832
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: It's not true. Got caught. And then did did he

833
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: take the tweet down? He posted an apology. Uh, that's

834
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: very much a non apology. And then Devin Brown yesterday

835
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: tweeted today did remind me that I could use a

836
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: new driver? What do you think Taylor made golf? Can

837
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: we make this happen? I like Devin Brown. He makes

838
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: me laugh, but he absolutely roasted this recruiting reporter into oblivion,

839
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: which makes everybody in my end relying to start lying, bro,

840
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: stop lying. And I have no problem with people being

841
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: called out when they don't be. Don't be a liar,

842
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: don't be a cheetah. All right? Um? The next game

843
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: up that is Oregon State at Washington State. Oregon State

844
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: loses to Washington State. And this was a game where

845
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: the Pack twelve officials did exactly what they did in

846
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: the Oregon Stanford game, make a phantom call on a

847
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: fourth down to like extend the game. And I don't

848
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: understand that that mentality of oh it's fourth down, we

849
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: gotta throw a flag. It's frustrating, and it actually does

850
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: more damage to the conference than it doesn't. I had

851
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: some company this weekend and they said, normally people started

852
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: talking about the reps and they try to like find

853
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: some overarching theme as far as refereeing, understanding that they're

854
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: all different people, they're all different crews, and you have

855
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: to look at the totality of the situation to be

856
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: able to make any judgment. Sometimes one bad ref can

857
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: take down the whole crew um and then the best

858
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: part of a referee crew is not even mentioning their names.

859
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: But this, this friend that I had over said do

860
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: you get more money if you make better calls? And

861
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think that's a thing, but

862
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: I do know that officials are graded, um, even down

863
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: to the high school level, officials are graded, and then

864
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: the better overall cruise get better assignments, Bowl games, things

865
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: like that. And he's like, so you do get more

866
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: money if you throw flags for things that you could

867
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: let go because technically, upon review, you would have made

868
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 1: the right call. And I was like, I don't know.

869
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: I just got me thinking about it in a completely

870
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: different way of like is because the pack twelve has

871
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: had what more penalty yardage than any other conference, which

872
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: is the whole thing of like, all right, well, if

873
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: you let a play go that should have been a flag,

874
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: maybe in some way you'r d incentivice. I don't know.

875
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: The moral of the story is it is left people

876
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: scrambling for some type of way to quantify or qualify

877
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: why packed twelve rests seemed to be extra active UM,

878
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: And I've talked about on this show for the longest time.

879
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: I thought it was the stylistic differences, and there's just

880
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: no excuse anymore because other conferences have incorporated the spread,

881
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: or have heavy running games, or or whatever else. I

882
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. The thing. The thing that

883
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: stuck out UM about this game for me wasn't necessarily

884
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 1: the officiating. It was just another reminder that Jaden Dolora

885
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: is special. UM. Different team with him on the field,

886
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: and he went he went off almost four hundred yards

887
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: passing UM. He had a good but Calvin Jackson and

888
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: Travell Harris are a good duo. They Oh my gosh,

889
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: Oregon State, who's the Who's the receiver that just smoked

890
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: Oregon States whole secondary. Everybody had an angle on him

891
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: and he's still out run literally everyone. Oh Joey, Joey Hobert.

892
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. That was embarrassing and also awesome at

893
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: the same time, depending on who you're a fan of. Yeah, no,

894
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: but but I just the whole thing. Chance Nolan's a

895
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 1: good quarterback, but you know, him rolling out and trying

896
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: to throw on the move like he's too up, Um

897
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: ends up getting picked off on the sideline. Um. This

898
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: is a running team. They shouldn't be relying on on

899
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: on on much more than that. Chance. No one should

900
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: be making the big throws when they availed themselves. But

901
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: for the most part, you should. It should be run

902
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: on first, run, on second, run, on third if your

903
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 1: Oregon state, if you can. What happened to Chance Nolan

904
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: bro he played USC and everybody took that result is like, oh,

905
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: he's great USC scheming and secondary is making everybody look

906
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: like a guy. Everybody's getting at off of. We're talking

907
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: about Jane Daniels being on pace for eight touchdowns, not

908
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 1: after the USC game. They probably get four or five

909
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: back'll double this season. Soally one game, dude, Tyder Orlando,

910
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: So and I know we keep coming back to USC,

911
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: but I don't even know how they keep anybody from

912
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: that from that staff. But um, but John Jonathan Smith

913
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: has this team playing well. They're they're four and two.

914
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: They still um. Next week they play Utah, they play

915
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: Cal Colorado. I think they'll beat Colorado. They may beat Cal.

916
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: That will get them Bowl eligible. They'll have a shot

917
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: against Stanford. They won't beat Arizona State or or Oregon.

918
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 1: So that Arizona State games in Corvallence in November, though, Oh, guys,

919
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 1: you're gonna get all foggy. It'll probably be Oh, it'll

920
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: probably be like a it's not a weekend It's not

921
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: a weekday game, is it. I don't think, but no,

922
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: it's a weekend game. But you know it's gonna be

923
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: That game is gonna be like an eight o'clock kick

924
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: off on FS one, and nothing good can happen to

925
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: Arizona State in that situation. Maybe Jade Daniels won'ta be

926
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: a justing his helmet as much when the face mask

927
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: is too cold to touch. So what do you what

928
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: what do you make of this Oregon State team? Like?

929
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: How good are they? Because there bad team talent wise

930
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: playing their asses off. Jonathan Smith deserves every bit of

931
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: praise he gets from everyone. I know that you praise

932
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: somebody enough, someone's gonna get annoyed with it. I don't

933
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: in his case. I don't think anybody should. If they

934
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: can get to Bowl eligible under him, something they haven't

935
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: done yet, then that's improvement. That's a massive improvement. Considering

936
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: that they don't have a quarterback and they're rushing for

937
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty yards a game. This is this

938
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: is not a drill, dude. They are not playing around.

939
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: I like I I like this team. It all. Its

940
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: just continues to make me wonder what happens when they

941
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: get what happens when they start getting talent. If they

942
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: start getting talent, will the transfer portal era make them

943
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: a destination school, because it started to be that when

944
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: you saw people leaving Nebraska for Oregon State, it was like, Oh,

945
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: if they could be the team that just says, hey,

946
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: we're the we're the transfer portal destination. If you want

947
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: to play, if you want to maximize your talents, you

948
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: want to do it for Jonathan Smith. But will Jonathan

949
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: Smith's be the head coach at USC next year? He's

950
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: the one guy that they could lose the rest of

951
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: their games, and I would still say the performance wasn't

952
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: dependent upon whether or not USC should look at him.

953
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: There's guys out there that are losing games that that

954
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: had to win out to even have the USC fan

955
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: base get behind them. I think Jonathan Smith would be

956
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: the best option regardless of how Oregon State performed, because

957
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: we've got four or five years of evidence of knowing

958
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: the type of recruit that goes to Oregon State. Knowing

959
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: the Oregon State would would be fifth best in the

960
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: Mountain West and maybe second best in the Big Sky,

961
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: and they still have offensive stars every year. There are

962
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: teams that don't have offensive stars, Like who knew that

963
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: chance that Dyshaun Fenwick and b J Baylor were gonna

964
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: be able to do this? After last year they had

965
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: two different backs doing it and they're just rolling them in.

966
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: Who hey, yo, you get a carry, you get a carry,

967
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: you get a touchdown, you get a hundred yards. So um,

968
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: Now we have our pack twelve power rankings for this week.

969
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: After week six, going into week seven, we'll give seven

970
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: through twelve through seven and then six through one. What

971
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: are your twelve through seven? Ralph? Nothing changes at the bottom. Arizona,

972
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: Colorado cal Washington that is my my bottom four and

973
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: then it gets a little trick key after that. But

974
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: I have USC at eight, Stanford at seven. Yeah, it's

975
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 1: that's not terrible because twelve through nine, that's that's fairly obvious, right,

976
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: And there's no way you can argue between number twelve

977
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: and eleven because Arizona has been noticeably worse and they

978
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: haven't won. Cal has been competent, but like can't win,

979
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: and Washington good god there two and three, and then

980
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: you got USC sitting at three and three and Stanford

981
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: their their schizophrenic. So, um mine is I have Arizona twelve,

982
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: Colorado eleven, Calton, Washington nine, Washington State eight, USC seven

983
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: because USC beat Washington State, so how can I put

984
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: them above them? But I don't even know what USC

985
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: team is gonna show up because they beat Washington State.

986
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: But they beat Washington State without Jayden Dolora in the

987
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: second half basically until they were too far down. So

988
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: I don't even how are we supposed to to to

989
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: do this? But six through one, six through one, I've

990
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: got Oregon State, Washington, Yeah, Oregon State, Washington State ahead

991
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: of them. Utah at four at four U C l

992
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: A at three, A s U at two, and an

993
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: Oregon still at one. Okay, I got Stanford at six.

994
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't feel good about Stanford at six, but they

995
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: beat usc um Utah at five, Oregon State at four,

996
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: u c l A at three, Arizona State at two,

997
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: Oregon at one. I think that one through three is

998
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: pretty easy. But this week we're gonna you know, we're

999
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,439
Speaker 1: gonna be able to separate a lot of that this

1000
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: week though, So I guess now on to the games

1001
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: of this week with our week seven preview. So the

1002
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: first game up, we have cow at Oregon. This is

1003
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: a Friday night game, which which gives me like heart palpitations.

1004
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: I am absolutely terrified of Friday night games. But Oregon's

1005
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: already lost one, so so I'm so I feel pretty

1006
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: good about it. Um Oregon's favored by thirteen and a

1007
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: half points over under fifty four. No c J. Verdell,

1008
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: No Justin Flow, No Bennett Williams, maybe Joe moore head

1009
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: or maybe not. Um. Yeah, bro, where do you what?

1010
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: Who are you picking in this game? Against the spread

1011
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: and over under? And then what do you see in

1012
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: this game? Oregon keeps flirting with with with the line.

1013
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: I don't see I see it being close, but not

1014
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: one of those games that's, you know, maybe Cal gets

1015
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: back into it towards the end. I do have Oregon winning.

1016
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: I like Cal to cover UM just because again, you've

1017
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: been picking. You've been picking Oregon on the spread all year,

1018
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: and how's that working out for you? So I'm trying

1019
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: to learn the lesson from you, and I'm gonna say

1020
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: Cal maybe loses by ten, ten to twelve points, but

1021
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: I do like the over. Um. I think that, Uh now,

1022
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: I I lied, I lied. I I think I think

1023
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna go under Cal scoring six points against Washington State.

1024
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a fluke. I think it just

1025
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: ultimately is a low scoring, ugly game, maybe fourteen something like,

1026
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: oh god, I didn't get the win. Oh god, Bro.

1027
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: If it's to fourteen, I'm going to come on on

1028
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: my post game UM spaces on Twitter and go crazy, Bro.

1029
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: That's unacceptable. Four to fourteen. Bro. If Oregon doesn't win

1030
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: this game by fourteen points and cover this brand, I'm

1031
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: gonna scream like there's no reason for this. There would

1032
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: be absolutely no reason for that. They're coming off of

1033
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: a bye um, they should be figuring out how to

1034
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: get Ty Thompson a couple of series in this game.

1035
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: They scored six points against Wazoo Washington. They scored twenty

1036
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: four points against Washington, and some of that was kind

1037
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: of sketchy. They let Sacramento State score thirty points on them.

1038
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: This is they only scored seventeen against Nevada. Bro Oregon,

1039
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: I give me Oregon mightas thirteen and a half and

1040
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,439
Speaker 1: the over hits because they better put up forty semi

1041
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: points in this game. Where do you think Tim the

1042
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: reader's heads at right now? Or oh Oregon defensive coordinator

1043
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: who used to be the associate head coach at cow Yes,

1044
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: who got demoted for no reason and replaced by my

1045
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: former teammate Peter Sermon by my former teammate Justin Wilcox.

1046
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, he's gonna be trying to shut them

1047
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: absolutely down. I didn't even think about that aspect of it. Yep,

1048
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: give me Oregon covering you missed out on this one,

1049
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: Ralp on both sides. Um okay. The next game up

1050
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: in order is Arizona at Colorado. Ralph Colorado minus seven

1051
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: points over forty six and a half. So if we

1052
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: go back remember a couple on the last show. I

1053
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: believe I asked a question that I had seen on Twitter.

1054
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: Which street went in first, Alabama's wind streak or Arizona's

1055
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: losing streak and Alabama. I was right. Alabama's win streak

1056
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: ended first. I didn't expect it to be against Texas

1057
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: and m but Arizona's got a shot in this game

1058
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:21,479
Speaker 1: until George. They had a shot until Jordan McLeod got hurt.

1059
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: And now they got to put Gunner Cruise in. I'm

1060
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: assuming which is not gonna work out well. Colorado actually

1061
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: passes for over. I'm gonna give them to a hundred

1062
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: and seventy yards passing, which would be a season high

1063
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: by like fifty by like fifty some yards. So yeah, so,

1064
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: and Colorado and Arizona can't stop a nosebleed running so

1065
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: Jared Bruce Brussar, it's gonna have a good game. And

1066
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: whoever else is running the ball for them, give me

1067
01:06:53,400 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: Colorado minus seven and I got the under. I believe. Okay,

1068
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: I do not agree with the season high passing total.

1069
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: I think the Colorado knows how important it is just

1070
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: to get out of this game with a win. And

1071
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: I think that they go full on, all running game

1072
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: all the time. How many past attempts is that too many? Yes?

1073
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: I think that that's too many. Eighteen set at eighteen

1074
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: and a half, you're going over. Okay. Against USC they

1075
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: passed the ball. He Brandan Lewis passed the ball seventeen

1076
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: times against oh Against Arizona State, he passed it seventeen times.

1077
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: That's definitely too many. Against Minnesota he passed it sixteen times.

1078
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: Against Texas A and M he threw it twenty five times,

1079
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: And against University of Northern Colorado he passed it fifteen times. Okay, Yeah,

1080
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna be under I hope that the place is

1081
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: packed out. I really do you have one opportunity if

1082
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: you're a Colorado fan to just kind of have a party. Um,

1083
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: do it. Get out to the game and have fun.

1084
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: I know it's two winless teams. I know something. No

1085
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: Colorado has one. They beat Northern Colorado. That doesn't count.

1086
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 1: I don't count FCS teams, And to the same token,

1087
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't count it as a loss either. Let's just

1088
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 1: get all those games out. Those are all exhibition games. George, No,

1089
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure in a US counting their win against Arizona.

1090
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: That's true. Oh man, I just please please please make

1091
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: it a party out and Boulder have a good time,

1092
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: enjoy it. You're both out of contention and in the

1093
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: Pact twelve South. All you can do from here is

1094
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: play spoiler. Um, just get out and enjoy some football,

1095
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna have very many games to enjoy

1096
01:08:56,400 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 1: after this. Win this game, well that this is their

1097
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: only opportunity to win a game, right probably unless they

1098
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: they still got usc is it at the Colosseum? Now

1099
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: I'm dead ass serious, Yes, at the Colisseum. Also, they're

1100
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:22,719
Speaker 1: actually have an even better shot. Yeah, I would, I

1101
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: honestly like if you you have a better chance of

1102
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 1: coming out of the Colisseum with a W if you

1103
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: are a visiting football team, then if you are a

1104
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: Lion in the original Lions versus Christians. Oh my god.

1105
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 1: All right, Well that game is on Factor Wealth Network.

1106
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: The next game up, we have Stanford at Washington State,

1107
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: and that line, uh, Stanford is actually favorite by a

1108
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 1: point and a half. I can't make sense out of

1109
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: that because Washington State, when you look at them on

1110
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: the season, they're rushing defense. Uh. Actually, I guess it's

1111
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: not that great there. You gotta pause. You gotta pause,

1112
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: because we didn't give our picks. Neither one of us

1113
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: did for which one for Colorado Arizona? Neither one of us.

1114
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 1: I no, no, I did. I said, I got College

1115
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 1: Colorado minus seven. I saw, I'm taking Colorado and the Okay,

1116
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: so I'm with you, okay the whole way. Al right,

1117
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: back to Washington State. Yes, so Washington State has giving

1118
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 1: up a hundred and sixty yards rushing per game, which

1119
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: Stanford's not gonna go over. They only rushed the ball

1120
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: for ninety seven yards a game. So, uh, Stanford's favorite

1121
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:55,839
Speaker 1: by point and a half. I don't know why. Um yeah,

1122
01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 1: I'm taking give me Washington State and give me the

1123
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: over over a fifty two and a half. Okay, what

1124
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 1: is your your You're you're pretty sure about this one, yes, okay,

1125
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: because the Stanford from week to week they're kind of

1126
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: jacklin eyed. Oh you are right, this is their off week.

1127
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Ralph won every other game. Never mind

1128
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: said after that Kansas State game, you're like, oh my god,

1129
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 1: they're never gonna win again. But you before that, you

1130
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: had picked them to go well over the four wins,

1131
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: and then heading into Oregon, You're like, no way. And

1132
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: then heading into Arizona State, You're like, all right, they're

1133
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: gonna get a s u Okay there they've they've been

1134
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: playing you like a fiddle. Ralph, you just pointed it out.

1135
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: Never mind. On Washington State, Stanford comes out and wins

1136
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: this football game. Give me Stanford and give me the over. Okay,

1137
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: I will. I'll rock with you on this one. We're

1138
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 1: both then in You know, Washington State has been up

1139
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: in the second half of every game they played in However,

1140
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I believe in the Yo Yo, I

1141
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: really do. I think that this is the this is

1142
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 1: yo Yo week for Stanford. They get it back nice,

1143
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: which means they'll finish six and six. Hey, that's over

1144
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: the four games though, So technically David Child would have

1145
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,600
Speaker 1: been would have been right that everybody was. Everybody was

1146
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,759
Speaker 1: saying they'd finished like last in the North for no reason.

1147
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: They still may finish last, all right. U c l

1148
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 1: A at Washington Boy, oh boy, this is probably the

1149
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: biggest game of the week for both teams that you

1150
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 1: have I don't know what, yes, yes, yes, Because U

1151
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: c l A, who's now unranked, they have they will

1152
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 1: either fall to four and three or go to five

1153
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: and two, And those are two different situations. And Washington

1154
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: can either get to five hundred or fall to two

1155
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: and four if they fall to two and four with

1156
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: the amount of talent quote unquote talent based upon recruiting

1157
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: rankings that they have on this roster, and then when

1158
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: you look at last year's recruiting class this year, what

1159
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 1: they have going so far, this is a make or

1160
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: break game for Washington and Jimmy Lakes early tenure. Make

1161
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: or break. I would say that this is the only

1162
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: opportunity for either team to be relevant moving forward. I

1163
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,839
Speaker 1: think you can stop taking U. C. L A seriously

1164
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season if they lose this game.

1165
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: I think you can stop taking Washington seriously for the

1166
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: rest of the season if they lose this game. I

1167
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: think you're right on when you said that this is

1168
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: this is incredibly important, um, because it's a it's like

1169
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 1: an elimination game and a reality show like whoever loses

1170
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 1: that they can win out the rest of the way.

1171
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: I'm still not gonna care, like I really, I really

1172
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 1: am not. I think both of these teams, Um, even

1173
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: though I believe I had I believe I had U

1174
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: c l A go in eight and four and third

1175
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: in the PAC twelveth South. I still the way this

1176
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: is shaping up to happen. Even if I end up

1177
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: being right, I'm not going to be. They can't be

1178
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: satisfied either, because they looked very, very good and the

1179
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: defense has completely fallen apart on Washington's and they've already

1180
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 1: lost more games than I thought that they they'd lose

1181
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 1: all year, and then there's just no more room for

1182
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: error if they want to be competitive, if they want

1183
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: to um, if they're not making the bow. If they

1184
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: lose this game, they're not even gonna get a Bowl game.

1185
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: If they lose this game, I mean, that's that's real

1186
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: taco right there. Um. They So you have, I mean

1187
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: really think about it. Because where we talked about people

1188
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: were picking Stanford to finish last in the PACT twelveth South.

1189
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 1: That's probably gonna be cow And then Washington hasn't outside

1190
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: shot the finish fourth. So then that puts Oregon State, Oregon,

1191
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: and Washington State as the only teams that can win

1192
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 1: the conference, I mean win the North, and in the

1193
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: South it's U c l A. Well, actually, Utah and

1194
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: you talk, Utah and Arizona State are the only ones

1195
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: that control their destiny and U c l A needs

1196
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 1: Arizona State to lose twice, which, yeah, that ain't good mate.

1197
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: Um so what do you make of this game, Ralph Washing? Sorry,

1198
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 1: Washington is favored by what point and a half? Yeah? Yeah,

1199
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 1: And Washington's favored by point and a half and the

1200
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: over under is a half. That's a high. It's a

1201
01:15:56,360 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 1: high one. Um, I would say that I don't know

1202
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: what to make of it. So I'm going to revert

1203
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: back to my preseason. I hate when I have to

1204
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 1: do this because I can't. I just I in the

1205
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 1: preseason when I was tallying this all up. This was

1206
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: a home win and so uh yeah, but you also

1207
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: had them at like five and oh right now too, Yeah,

1208
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: I mean I had I'm definitely doing better than they're

1209
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: doing right now. So for the sake of just being

1210
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,640
Speaker 1: on the other side of you, I'll go Washington and

1211
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: the under. M hmmmm. Wow. At the end of this season,

1212
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 1: this is going to be a destruction. We look at

1213
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,640
Speaker 1: that I beat you, well, I can't catch up. I

1214
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: don't think I can catch up unless we're unless we're different.

1215
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: I got to go opposite of you. You are right,

1216
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 1: So Dylan Morris, Washington's quarterback is going to have to

1217
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:01,719
Speaker 1: do something right, like because you c l A's past

1218
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 1: defense is the worst in the conference. There is the

1219
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: worst in the actually nope, nope, nope. Now as well

1220
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 1: as far as defense pass efficiency, UM USC's worst and

1221
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: Cal I'm sorry, and U c l A is second

1222
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: worst at one thirty nine versus USC's one thirty and

1223
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 1: um Washington has the best at ninety six point at

1224
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: ninety seven point six. But does U c l A

1225
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: even care because they're gonna run the football anyway, So

1226
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: uh yeah, and Washington is as far as they're rushing defense,

1227
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: they are. They're giving up a hundred and seventy three

1228
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 1: yards a game, which is tenth than the conference, which

1229
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 1: actually plays really right into U c l A's hands.

1230
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: I I got U c l A. And I got

1231
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 1: the over man. That over is just so high for

1232
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 1: two teams that are gonna not be throwing. But I mean,

1233
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: if you can't stop the running, can't have the run. Well,

1234
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: U c l A can stop the run. They have

1235
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 1: the best rushing defense in the Pack twelve. Yeah, no,

1236
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 1: you you made a good point, and so you really

1237
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: think I think you can deal it. So it's all

1238
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:32,679
Speaker 1: on Dylan Morris. All right, well, good luck. I've made

1239
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: the odds forever being your favorite. So who you picking

1240
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: it in this game? I'm going the opposite of you.

1241
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Washington and the under all right, good,

1242
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: good luck, father, good luck. Um. All right. The last

1243
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: game up this week we have Arizona State at Utah.

1244
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 1: This is a seven pm kickoff on ESPN Pack twelve

1245
01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:02,679
Speaker 1: after Dark at its finest and m Yeah, Arizona State

1246
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 1: looks good. They're playing at Rights Echo Stadium. Late game.

1247
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be too the weather is not gonna

1248
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: be too bad. It's supposed to be in the fifties. Yeah,

1249
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 1: So what do you? What say you in this game

1250
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: where Arizona is favored by a point? Arizona State? Oh sorry, yeah, sorry,

1251
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 1: Sun Devils fans get a little bit touchy on the

1252
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 1: thing that everybody seems to do repeatedly. I like Arizona

1253
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: State in this game because again, defense and run game

1254
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,839
Speaker 1: travel well, and the strength of the Arizona State defense

1255
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: is the is the defensive backfield. So even if cam

1256
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,600
Speaker 1: Rising is really on one, He's going to face a

1257
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: little bit of a challenge. I wonder if Chase Lucas

1258
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 1: is going to be available he um. He took a

1259
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: pretty hard hit to the back trying to make a

1260
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: tackle early in their last game and sat out the

1261
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: rest of the time to Marcus Davis his backup. They

1262
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: did have one touchdown Pasco over his outstretched hand, but

1263
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: otherwise he had a pretty good game. Jordan Clark is

1264
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 1: starting to come into his own. He had struggled a

1265
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 1: little bit before. Um as Ryan Ryan clark Son, He's

1266
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: he's a good player. UM. But I don't know. I

1267
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 1: don't know what do you put any stock. I don't

1268
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: like to get into the whole like emotional game um thing.

1269
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 1: But I've seen a bunch of people talking about the

1270
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: fact that Utah is gonna be playing with the weight

1271
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 1: of having gone to this funeral another funeral. Um do

1272
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: you think that affects their play on the aggregate, on

1273
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: the whole what having the whole team have to go?

1274
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: I think to Texas for a funeral? Mm hmmm, mm hmm.

1275
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 1: I think that this is the kind of thing that

1276
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: galvanizes a team though too. I do um that because

1277
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: we had that happened, but that was doing bold practice

1278
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 1: when um, hello, Tinada's dad died, m and um. He

1279
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: had just been at practice and then he went back

1280
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 1: to Utah to go back to work and he his

1281
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 1: truck careemed off of a he was a truck driver.

1282
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 1: It careemed off of the side of a mountain. So

1283
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: that's how his father died. And that was you know,

1284
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: that was traumatic because I was talking to him hours

1285
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 1: prior to him dying, Like it wasn't even twenty four

1286
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:40,640
Speaker 1: full hours. So yeah, so I don't know, man, this

1287
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: this is a game. The what the state of the

1288
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: Washington's program is on is in trouble because you have um, yeah,

1289
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 1: yeah of Washington. Oh god, yes, I lost I lost her.

1290
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 1: I will I will talk about that in a second.

1291
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: But you tak I was looking at something while we

1292
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 1: were talking about it and it made lose track. So Utah, Man, Look,

1293
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: this is a game that I need Arizona State to win.

1294
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess sort of because I did say

1295
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 1: that Oregon is going to the playoff anyway if they

1296
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 1: went out, but you know, I would like to I

1297
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:33,719
Speaker 1: would like for them to be against you know, another

1298
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 1: top team to at least like show it in and

1299
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: at least have a few pack twelve teams ranked, because

1300
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: if U c l A wins, they'll be five and two.

1301
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 1: They may get back into the rankings. Arizona State will

1302
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: be you know, in that fifteen fourteen fifteen range if

1303
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 1: they win. But this is in rights Echo stadium, man,

1304
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:59,839
Speaker 1: this is turning into a rivalry between Arizona State and Utah.

1305
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,600
Speaker 1: Give me Utah plus a point and a half and

1306
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:11,759
Speaker 1: I will take the over in this game as well. Okay,

1307
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:18,560
Speaker 1: I I have Arizona State. I think that there. I

1308
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 1: just think they're the better team. You know, it doesn't

1309
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: always matter. These two teams are three and three in

1310
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 1: their last six, so it could really go either way.

1311
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 1: But I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna

1312
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 1: be a scrap. And I do think that this is uh,

1313
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 1: this is gonna be under the fifty and a half. Okay,

1314
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: and and who and you're picking Arizona State, I am yeah,

1315
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 1: I have to, I got it. I got it's a

1316
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 1: if it's a minus one line, I gotta rock with

1317
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:45,719
Speaker 1: him to get to that eleven and one preseason prediction.

1318
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 1: But I do think they're the better team, and I

1319
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 1: think I think they do win. Yeah, okay, um, all right.

1320
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: And the last thing is is that we were talking

1321
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: prior to the show about whether this Arizona State game

1322
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:09,879
Speaker 1: is a is a rivalry? Right? That whole thing Arizona

1323
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 1: State Utah is that a rivalry? Uh? I'm sure you've

1324
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,560
Speaker 1: noticed that the fans online have a tendency to be

1325
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: at each other's throats. Um a little bit. It's obviously

1326
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: also been um aided by some people who who are

1327
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: just mischievously trying to encourage it. Uh yeah, So what

1328
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 1: what do you think? How long do you think it

1329
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: takes for for a rivalry to develop? A year? A year? Oh,

1330
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: actually no, one year, two years, Because I do hold

1331
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 1: up in normal circumstances, I think it takes a long

1332
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 1: period of time. But in some circumstances like where you

1333
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 1: had Utah coming to the conference all of this, like

1334
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: when you when bad things befall the other person, like

1335
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 1: for instance, Stanford and USC and Stanford and Oregon seemed

1336
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 1: to be bigger than Stanford Cow right right now, even

1337
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 1: though Stanford Cow has a longer history, Stanford has a

1338
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 1: history of recent history that's made Oregon fans hate Stanford

1339
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: and has made USC fans hate Stanford, so has has sold.

1340
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 1: The question is, have enough egregious things happened to make

1341
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:40,759
Speaker 1: both fan bases hate each other over a short period. Yeah, okay,

1342
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 1: so I would tend to think that a rivalry happens

1343
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:48,560
Speaker 1: over time. Um in consistency, This isn't a matchup that

1344
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 1: happened a lot before Utah actually joining the pack twelve.

1345
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 1: There's a regional element to what they share, a very

1346
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: long border. They've been going after some of the same recruits.

1347
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 1: Jordan Wilmore was down to Arizona State and top picked Utah.

1348
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 1: Jade Daniels was down to Utah and Arizona State picked.

1349
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 1: There's on the state. Solomon Enis was down to Arizona

1350
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 1: State in Utah picked Utah, and then Arizona State's coaching

1351
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 1: staff was like, we wanted Jordan Porter anyway. UM. So

1352
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: that there was a kind of a an interesting element

1353
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 1: to that one. You had the Evan Fields hit on

1354
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 1: Zack Moss. I believe that led to some dentist going

1355
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 1: after Evan Fields and and that became a whole like

1356
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: national story in Utah fans having to apologize. You had

1357
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,879
Speaker 1: Eno Benjamin pretty much the entire time use a Arizona

1358
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: State John back and forth with Utah fans um, and

1359
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 1: then you have the three and three in their last six.

1360
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: Two of those games, I think both teams were ranked.

1361
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 1: I think all but one of those games, at least

1362
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 1: one team was ranked. And the fans are going after

1363
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 1: each other on social media, and it seems to be

1364
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 1: a lot of the younger fan base and in their

1365
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: mind if it's a rivalry. I suppose it is. But

1366
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 1: as far as the coaching staffs, there's not really anything

1367
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:01,520
Speaker 1: that's happened between winning Ham and Herm. Herm did apologize

1368
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 1: for the number of personal fouls that happened in the

1369
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen game, but yeah, I mean so there are

1370
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 1: things that I can point to to say like, oh

1371
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,799
Speaker 1: this is this is heating up because it's happening in recruiting,

1372
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: but not everybody's into recruiting the on field results. Um,

1373
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 1: I think matter games at Salt Lake are really like

1374
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:24,759
Speaker 1: the boisterous and everything, But aren't they like that for everybody?

1375
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 1: So I'm I I believe that it's possible that a

1376
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 1: rivalry is starting, but the seeds of a rivalry, the

1377
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 1: potential of a rivalry is not a rivalry, but it

1378
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,600
Speaker 1: has to kind of continue down this trajectory so that

1379
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 1: there's not a single year that passes where it's just like, oh,

1380
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 1: this is our Utah game, but we're actually looking ahead

1381
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 1: past that game to USC or something like that. And

1382
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 1: because it's kind of been the focal point of the season,

1383
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 1: but not the main focal point, but one of the

1384
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 1: focal points of the season for both teams for the

1385
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: last couple of years, I could see why people would

1386
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 1: believe that. But I do believe you need a little

1387
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 1: bit more tradition and little bit more time to be

1388
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 1: able to say like, yes, this is definitely there's not

1389
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 1: even a trophy involved, George, Like, it's not even like

1390
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: official or anything. Yeah, but I don't think that you

1391
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 1: need to have a trophy involved. I think that that

1392
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 1: requires a long time, Like you don't need the Golden

1393
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 1: Chilele or whatever that USC and Notre Dame play for.

1394
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 1: But I do think that when you start to impact

1395
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 1: that team's future or past, then you have a rivalry. Yeah, okay,

1396
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 1: I can I can see one starting. I think you're

1397
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: probably gonna need something associated with it. And if you say, oh, well,

1398
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 1: you don't have an item that goes back and forth.

1399
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: All of those items had to start. You know, it's

1400
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 1: not gonna be like the Yukon South Florida one whatever

1401
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,680
Speaker 1: that was just like, hey, there's actually no animosity, but

1402
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 1: we just need a rival rey, so we've gotta manufacture it.

1403
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 1: Um that this one actually has some heat to it.

1404
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 1: So what's the spark gonna be? What's the you know,

1405
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 1: what's the thing going to be? Is it going to

1406
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:03,640
Speaker 1: cool off again? When when it's not? You know it

1407
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 1: did do? Does anybody who doesn't have Twitter? I think

1408
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 1: it's a rivalry? To me? That's the that's the primary

1409
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 1: mark of it is is somebody who's not plugged into

1410
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 1: the social media aspect of it, do they believe that

1411
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 1: it's a rivalry. Because if you ask an Arizona State

1412
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 1: fan that's in their sixties or Utah fan that's in

1413
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 1: their sixties, hey, you've got as you come in a

1414
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 1: rivalry game and they're like, oh what, then you know

1415
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 1: you could you kind of lost it. It has to

1416
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 1: be something's kind of universally agreed upon. I am not

1417
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 1: one of the people that believes that you can't have

1418
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 1: more than one and I know you as an Oregon

1419
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 1: fan like there's already more than one built in, but

1420
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 1: some people believe that your primary rivalry is it and

1421
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 1: there's the microcosm rivalry. So like I look at Keaton

1422
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:47,559
Speaker 1: Slobs versus Jaden Daniels as uh sort of micro rivalry

1423
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 1: because Jade Daniels didn't get that USC offer, Keen slobis

1424
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: didn't get that a SU offer and they have to

1425
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 1: go ahead to head every year. So that But but

1426
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 1: as far as like an overall team versus an overall team,

1427
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 1: would it ultimately you think be up to the fan

1428
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 1: base are the players? So if every player was like, yeah,

1429
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 1: this is a rivalry game we're looking forward to, then

1430
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 1: what the fan base have to get on board with that? Yes, absolutely,

1431
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 1: I think that that's a reasonable solution. Um, So you guys,

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Speaker 1: that is packed twelve apostles for this week. I'm George Rice, sir.

1433
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:20,639
Speaker 1: He's Ralph Fans and you guys can get a hold

1434
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: of us as usual nine three seven, five four seven

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Speaker 1: dot com. Peace out, catch you guys later.