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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this this episode number one

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Speaker 1: two Tan the show. We are joined by outdoor writer

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Speaker 1: p J. Riley, and we're discussing his white tailed lessons

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Speaker 1: learned while hunting deer in the Northeast. Hello everyone, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by sit Ka Gear and Tan the Show. We're joined

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Speaker 1: by p J. Riley, a super serious white tail hunter

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Speaker 1: and an outdoor writer hailing from the great Stay of Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: And PJ has written for North American White Tailed Magazine,

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Speaker 1: Game in Fish mag dot Com, Lancaster Archery Supply, and

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Speaker 1: many other publications. And we're gonna be chatting with pg

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Speaker 1: today all about hunting white tails in the Northeast, a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of different things related to that region of

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Speaker 1: the country, and we're also going to touch on some

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Speaker 1: things related to archery, and then just a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of other lessons learned that pigs had when it comes

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Speaker 1: to chasing deer across the country. So I think that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be really interesting. I'm excited to talk to PJ.

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Speaker 1: But before we get that conversation going, we need to

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Speaker 1: pause here briefly for our weekly parenting advice segment from

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Speaker 1: my co host Dan Johnson. Right, I guess, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's funny that you bring this up because I just

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Speaker 1: had of course, I was really excited to talk about

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Speaker 1: like deer hunting, right, or shed hunting or something like that.

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Speaker 1: But funny you bring that up because I just had

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Speaker 1: a conversation with my daughter and her question to me.

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Speaker 1: She comes, I have this little office, it's next to

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Speaker 1: she came in. She she came out of the bathroom

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Speaker 1: and her pants were down, and I said, Eva, what

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Speaker 1: are you doing? She's like, oh, dad, um, why do

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Speaker 1: I have to wipe my butt after I poop? And

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Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I don't know how to answer

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Speaker 1: that really, So I just did what I always do,

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Speaker 1: no matter what. I always say, oh, because of germs,

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Speaker 1: that's it's almost like I need advice sometimes, do you

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Speaker 1: do you need advice on why you need to wipe

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Speaker 1: your button? Well, because you know, it's like I told Am,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, because you don't want to be known as

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Speaker 1: the girl at preschool with stinky butt. You know, we

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Speaker 1: all know that one person and who had stinky butt

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Speaker 1: growing up, and we Yeah, you don't want to be

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Speaker 1: from Mike school. Yep, I don't want to be that guy.

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Speaker 1: It's the same guy that. It's the same guy or

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Speaker 1: gal that had to wear the poop your pants pants. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the extra the extra pants that were sitting in your

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Speaker 1: at that point whoo poop their pants because they were

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Speaker 1: usually like some nineteen seventies swede just I'll crow. I

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Speaker 1: don't know anyway. Sound it sounds like it sounds like

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Speaker 1: you really know what these pants look like and felt

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Speaker 1: like and all that kind of stuff. Dan, Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: Sure it wasn't a Dan. No, I never pooped my pants. Man. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we got that out of the way. Dear dear,

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Speaker 1: like you said, dear, So what's up? You find a

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Speaker 1: and I was kind of excited to walk that. I

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Speaker 1: So that's about all that's been going on for me

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Speaker 1: Ross Hossman's probably Hassman Hossman, Ross Hossman. I like to

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Speaker 1: call him Ross has Hassman, but it's house is the

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Speaker 1: cosman correct pronunciation. Alright, R S R H alright, right,

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Speaker 1: all right, all right. Anyway, he's probably found all the

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Speaker 1: We drove around. Dude, I bet you I saw close

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Speaker 1: me and my buddy Dustin, and we're gonna walk some

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Speaker 1: hopefully as mantlers. So you say, did you say Corey

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Speaker 1: for us to record a podcast all together while we're there.

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Speaker 1: So maybe Friday night, when we get done, you and

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Speaker 1: give Corey some crap in person, which will be fun.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. So looking forward to it. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just uh. I think this weekend I might go take

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Speaker 1: and he's like, Dan, you gotta get out here sometimes.

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Speaker 1: So one of these days, Yeah, it's maybe next maybe

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Speaker 1: you gotta stop popping out all these babies, Dan, you

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Speaker 1: and hunt. Well. I don't think that announcement has been

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Speaker 1: made on this podcast. What announcements that the announcement that

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Speaker 1: I'm having a third kidd October. I wasn't trying to

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Speaker 1: force that. I don't know if that was that was

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Speaker 1: And because I was talking with my buddy Justin's oar

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Speaker 1: from bow hunting dot com and he's got three kids

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Speaker 1: now and his kid was born October, so he kind

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Speaker 1: of had a different type of rut. At least my

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Speaker 1: kid will be quote unquote established at that point. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that point, you know, sometime in September. But then you're

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Speaker 1: You know, when it comes to the rut, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: during the rudin. Well, I think that after the baby comes,

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Speaker 1: whole host of things that I do that for and

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00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: so that's that's what I do. I'm like you, I'm

426
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: kind of immersed in it each and every day. UM.

427
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: And it's just something that I always wanted to do. UM.

428
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: UM kind of a self taught hunter. I didn't come

429
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: from a hunting family, so once I get out of college,

430
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,239
Speaker 1: I sort of found my way and being you know,

431
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: as we'll get into it. Being where I live, if

432
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: you want to hunt deer, you kind of have to

433
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: be a bow hunter. That's just because of the density

434
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: of the population here. That's your best bet for if

435
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: you want to get permission to hunt private property, you've

436
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: got to be a bow hunter. So UM, that's kind

437
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: of how I got to where I am. What was that?

438
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: What was that process like? Learned teaching yourself to hunt,

439
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: you know, years overall that was I mean, it was fun.

440
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: Let me tell you my first in you know, training

441
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: to learn how to hunt. I started out doing three

442
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 1: D shoots. I remember vividly going to my first three

443
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: D shoot with twelve arrows and I came home with none.

444
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: So that is kind of how things went. And and

445
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, from the same thing within the woods. I mean,

446
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: I'd go out in the woods kind of with my

447
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: bow and I'm kind of like, now what do I do?

448
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: You know, and just kind of walking around, didn't know

449
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: about tree stands. Um. So it was a it was

450
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: a long process, but I enjoyed it, you know. Eventually

451
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: then I started making friends and they started showing me things,

452
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: and um so that's kind of how it progressed from there.

453
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: Do you remember now, I'm addicted. I think that I

454
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: was going to ask, do you remember your first dear?

455
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: I'm sure you do, Oh absolutely, Can you tell us

456
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,719
Speaker 1: about that? Yes, it was a button buck and I

457
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: shot it with my boat. My very first dear was

458
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: a bow kill. And I remember distinctly. Way by this

459
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: is I think the back then, the lighted sight pins

460
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: that they had were Actually it was a fiber optic,

461
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: so it kind of shine back at you, not not

462
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: like today where the pins were illuminated, so it was

463
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: getting sailing light. I turned on this pin and it

464
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: was like a spotlight right in my eye, so I

465
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: couldn't see very well. And I remember, you know, I

466
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done it, but I remember my pin just

467
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: getting close, and I just cut loose and had had

468
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: no idea where I was aiming, and fortunately it hit

469
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 1: the right spot. That sounds a lot like my first

470
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: kill two. Oh yeah, you know you don't, because that

471
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: first one you don't really know what to expect um

472
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: if you've never done it before, it's it's all foreign.

473
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: It's amazing what you learned. Then you know about dear

474
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: body language and you know, okay, shoot no shoot situations,

475
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: but early on it can be rough. Yeah, that's the truth.

476
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: You know. Something that we we talked a lot about,

477
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about on past episodes, myself and

478
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: and Damn my co host who's usually with us, is

479
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: is that that moment there at the very end where

480
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: you are dealing with that moment of truth. And we

481
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: kind of go through this debate between the two of

482
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: us sometimes where the people that are really good at

483
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: handling the moment of truth and handling buck fever. Is

484
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: that like a are you born with that? Are you

485
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: just a stone cold ice in the veins type you

486
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: can handle that? Or is it one of those things

487
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: that just comes with experience? What from your perspective is it?

488
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: And what have you? For me? And being primarily a

489
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: bow hunter, what I always noticed, what I noticed after

490
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: a while is before I mean, that first one was crazy,

491
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: but I had been shooting competition archery for two years

492
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: before I got to that point, so I could shoot

493
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: a bow. And after that, what I remembered was because

494
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: it was so familiar with shooting in a boat, when

495
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 1: it came to that moment, I would kind of like

496
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: blank out, just go on autopilot, I would. It would

497
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: just muscle memory would take over. I would do what

498
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: I needed to do and boom, you know, next thing

499
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: I know, I'd be like, oh, that was a good shot. Um,

500
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: but I I you know, but then as soon as

501
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: it was past, boy, you know, the knees start shaking

502
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: and the heart starts something. But when it came time

503
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: to shoot, and still, you know, when it comes time

504
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: to shoot. It just things just happen on their own. Yeah,

505
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: and more often than than not, fortunately they turn out

506
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: the best. Don't always happen that way, but you know,

507
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: usually more often than not that happens. Yeah, I can relate.

508
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: I too, you know, fall into the autopilot. But for me,

509
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: I've actually been able to transition. From early on in

510
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: my hunting bow hunting career, I would go into autopilot,

511
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: but it would be autopilot in a bad way in

512
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: that you know, it would just it would just happen,

513
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: and I wasn't able to be settled in or taking

514
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: my time, so I'd rush a lot shots. Um, But

515
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: I've been I've been able to progress now where you know,

516
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: like you said, mistakes still happened, but for the most part,

517
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm in that kind of business mode, autopilot mode. But

518
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: now the process is smooth and I don't need to

519
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: think about it, and you know, knock on wood, it's

520
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: been going pretty well. But it is interesting how that

521
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: kind of comes from experience and practice and all that. Well.

522
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: One of the things that I've found here lately is

523
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: for the last several years, you know, I, like many hunters,

524
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: I went through the progression to where shooting a lot

525
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: of deer was what was important. UM. And so I

526
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: would get lots of dough tags that hunt multiple state,

527
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: shoot every you know, everything I could UM. But then

528
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: the last several years I kind of I've switched back

529
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: to where now I'm hunting mature bucks. And one thing

530
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: I found is I actually got out of that that

531
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: killer mode, if you will, to where because I'm not

532
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: shooting a lot of deer regularly. I've had some problems

533
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. I've had some hits that

534
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: were bad that I thought, man, I should I should

535
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: have held that dear um. And then after it happened

536
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: a cold time, I was like, you know what, it's

537
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: because I'm not shooting as made dear as I. So

538
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with the situation. So there's I actually

539
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: I did an article last year about that. I was like,

540
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, three ds are great for practice, but it's

541
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: not the same thing. Shooting alive dear is a unique

542
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: experience and the only way to get good at it

543
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: is to do it a lot. Yeah. So, so was

544
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: there any other adjustments you made or was it just

545
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: going back to shooting more does and that kind of

546
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: thing just to keep that going. That was it, Yeah,

547
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: that was it. It just um, I just had a

548
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: couple where I was like, man, I that should have

549
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: been a gimme. I mean that should have been you know,

550
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: inside inside thirty yards, nothing in between me and the deer.

551
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: That should have been a gimme. And somehow I screwed

552
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: it up. So I thought I was rushing. You know,

553
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm not taking my time. I gotta fix that. So yeah, yeah,

554
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to shooting more. Dear, speaking of

555
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: the other type of shooting you do, you mentioned you

556
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: were doing a lot of three D shooting and some

557
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: tournament stuff. How has that helped you as a as

558
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: a bow hunter and is that something that that you know,

559
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: more more people should consider getting involved in. Yes, totally.

560
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: And actually I've been working on a series of articles

561
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: about this to where the very most basic thing I

562
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: would say is the more you shoot your bow, the better.

563
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever you shoot it at, shooting your bow

564
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: is better than not shooting your bow. It's just there's

565
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: so many things that happened with muscles that just are better.

566
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: If you are shooting a lot um then kind of

567
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: fine tuning that if you only shoot three D s

568
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: or paper animals or something where you're not aiming at

569
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: a dot. What I've noticed is you your form won't

570
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: be as solid, but you won't know it only through shooting.

571
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: You know, if you mix in dots as well shooting

572
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: bulls eyes, you'll you'll know if you're not holding steady

573
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: right away, you'll know. But if you're aiming at the

574
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: vitals of the deer, you figure that's about the size

575
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: of a pipe plate. There's a lot of margin for

576
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: error in there inside that pipe plate. Versus if you're shooting.

577
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: You know, a typical vegas type target you're tendering is

578
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: about the size of a silver dollar. You're gonna know

579
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: if your hand is kind of wandering. So mixing those

580
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: two together, you know, with the target archery, you learn

581
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: precision aiming, you learn um to fix your form flaws,

582
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: because if you have form flaws, they're gonna stand out

583
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: um So, and then going over of course, you don't

584
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: want to be dependent on a niming dot. When you're

585
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: hunting deer. You may not have one. You may just

586
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: have to aim at a patch of brown. So shooting

587
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: at three D then with the two together, you can

588
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: really uh find to make yourself, you know, the best

589
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: bow hunter you can be. Yeah, you know, continue on

590
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: this topic now that we're talking about this, is there

591
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: are there any other in addition to what you just

592
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: mentioned there, you know, switching up between three D and

593
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, specific targets and stuff. Are there any other

594
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: things you suggest to people at this time of year,

595
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: this offseason winter early springtime period that people should be

596
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: considering to you know, um implement within their kind of

597
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: practice regimen, anything different or exercises or anything that helps you. Yeah. Obviously,

598
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: you know, any cardiovascular any muscular training you can do,

599
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: all of that helps, um, but none of it helps

600
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: like shooting your bow. I'm always amazed. We'll have you know,

601
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: I'll be working in our shop and there will be

602
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: a big, huge guy come in and you know he's

603
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: obviously he can probably bench press three hundred pounds. You know,

604
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: he's a super strong guy. I'll hand him my seventy

605
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: pound bow and he can't pull it back. It's not

606
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: that he's not strong enough, it's that he doesn't have

607
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: the coordination. Which that's what you get through, just like

608
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: I said, just shooting that bow over and over and

609
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: over again you develop that coordination. So um, you know,

610
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: the training cardiovascular, Um, that's always good because that helps,

611
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, anytime your bow hunting, hiking back in and

612
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: of course muscle training that's going to make it easier

613
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: for you to hold your bow, etcetera. But wintertime, boy,

614
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: that's a great time to shoot indoor leagues. Just shoot

615
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: a lot, yeah, just lots of arrows and build that

616
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: muscle memory, right exactly exactly. It's nice with this these

617
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: warmer days, eveenably get outside and do some shooting when

618
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: usually just be you know, in the barn or something.

619
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: It's nice to be catching some some sun rays and

620
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: uh that's not common in February, yeah, for sure. And

621
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: one of the things that we like to do, you know,

622
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: with with training for our trade shooting distance. You know,

623
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: I may not, um shoot a deer at seventy or

624
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: eighty yards, but I'll shoot targets at that distance all

625
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 1: day long, just because it makes you better at thirty

626
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: and forty yards. Yeah, any twitch of your hand at

627
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: eighty yards in that hour is going to be several

628
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: inches off targets, so it just really fine tunes your form.

629
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, we like getting outside, so we could shoot distance.

630
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: We're going down a wormhole here, but oh yeah, you've

631
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: got this is this is my fault feature because I'm

632
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: interested in this stuff. I want to talk about deer,

633
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: but I want to I want to understand a few

634
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: things too with this. Since you've got shots expertise, you know, Okay,

635
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: Let's let's say you're you're shooting at seventy or eighty

636
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 1: yards because you're trying to really fine tune things. How

637
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: do you start self diagnosing what the issue is? So

638
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: let's say whether it's at seventy or it's at thirty

639
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: or whatever, you start seeing that you're you're off. How

640
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: do you begin the process of self diagnosis? Self diagnosis

641
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: is probably be pretty difficult. What what I would say

642
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: that you should diagnose is that you have a problem.

643
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: You may not know what that problem is, but if

644
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: you just can't be consistent, know that and tell yourself, hey,

645
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: I got a problem here, and then go to your

646
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: shop and have somebody watch you shoot nine times I'll

647
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: say times out of a hundred. Even what we see

648
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: at Lankester archery is issues with people how they hold

649
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: the bow. That hands down the most common issue we

650
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: see that bow grip looks like something you should grab

651
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: like a pistol. But if you hold it like that,

652
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: you're going to have problems, especially at distance, because you're

653
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: going to tork the bow and at seventy yards you're

654
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: going to see that. So just if you're shooting seventy

655
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: yards and you just can't hold a tight group seventy yards,

656
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: it's not you know, eventually you should be able to

657
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: have all your arrows, you know, in in a circle

658
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: the size of a coffee cup. That's you know, even

659
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: though it's seventy yards, that's not unheard of today's bows.

660
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: They're perfectly capable of doing that. If you find that

661
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: your group just isn't getting any smaller, tell yourself, hey,

662
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: I got a problem, and then go find an expert

663
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: who can help you figure out what that problem is.

664
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: It could be something with equipment. You know, you never

665
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: um if you're shooting an arrow that's too weak of

666
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: a spine at twenty yards, you're not gonna notice. That's

667
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: not going to be a problem you start backing up.

668
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: Now that's going to be an issue. So it could

669
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: be many things. But somebody at your local pro shop

670
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: they can help you figure that out. Yeah, that's good advice,

671
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: and it takes some and I gotta say I am

672
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: guilty of just always pushing off the trip to the

673
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: pro shop because I don't want to make the drive

674
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: or I don't want to deal with waiting or hour

675
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But it's such a you know,

676
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: it's it's a good idea to get in there and

677
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: talk to people that have experienced this kind of stuff

678
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: because to your point, it's really tough to figure out

679
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: that kind of thing on your own. You know it is,

680
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: and there's unfortunately, and that's one of the reason Rob Calfld,

681
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: he's our owner, that's one of the reasons that he

682
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: hired me and he hired a we now have a

683
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: full time cameraman too, was just to get information out

684
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: there because unfortunately, there is a lot of bad information.

685
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 1: Just within the last six months. I won't say who,

686
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: but I saw a well known figure do a video

687
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: where she was saying that the way you grip your

688
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: bow doesn't matter, that you hold it anyway you want,

689
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: and you know that's the way to do it. I thought, Man,

690
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: if she would talk to a coach, I guarantee you

691
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: there's there's a reason Levim Morgan, Jesse Broadwater and all

692
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: the top archers. If you look at their hand position,

693
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: it's all the same. That's not by accident. There's there's

694
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: a right way to hold it and there's a wrong way.

695
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: And unfortunately there's lot of misinformation out there. But if

696
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 1: you get to your pro shop, I guarantee you there,

697
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: you know somebody there's going to know the right information. Yeah. Yeah,

698
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: that's that's a good reminder for all of us. I

699
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: actually need to go to the pro shop to get

700
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: my peeps that moved on a new both, so I

701
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: need to make that trip too. Yes that will help, Yes, yes,

702
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: it definitely will. Um. So, so let's let's shift. Let's

703
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: shift gears here, p J. Let's talk to you. Um

704
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: And you have this unique perspective of of hunting and

705
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: living in Pennsylvania and some experience in the Northeast. And

706
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: that's something we haven't actually got to talk about as

707
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: much as we probably should have here on the podcast.

708
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would say the a unique

709
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: perspective or some kind of curse that I was born here.

710
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes it feels like that. I think we're I can

711
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: feel your pain there little because I like to I

712
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: like to milk the curse of hunting and living in Michigan. So, UM, yes,

713
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: there's similarities there, but you definitely feel my pain. So

714
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: so let's talk about that pain though, PJ. What where

715
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: all have you hunted in the Northeast and can you

716
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: just kind of give us a high level overview for

717
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: those that don't hunt in that poor country? What what's

718
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: unique about it? What's you know? What's that like? Um,

719
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: I've hunted obviously, Pennsylvania my whole life. I've hunted, uh,

720
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: New York, New Jersey, Ohio, Maryland, West Virginia. UM, pretty

721
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: much everything right around Pennsylvania. UM, and here in the Northeast.

722
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: And basically the two main issues are the hunter density,

723
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: well in Pennsylvania in particular hunter density, then just density

724
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: of people who live here. And then the third thing

725
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: I would say is the relative size of properties here

726
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. I personally don't know anyone who has access

727
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: to one thousand acres of private property, you know, contiguous land.

728
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: They I mean, such places exist here, but they're pretty

729
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: rare where where I live. UM, if there's a farm,

730
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: it's usually under a hundred acres, So you know, I

731
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: may have access to my seventy acres you know of

732
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: my farm. Well, then there's another guy right next door

733
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: who has access to the next forty acres, and then

734
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: the next guy down the street he's hunting that thirty

735
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: acres um, you know, and all down and actually right

736
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: around my house. It's even less than that. It's you know,

737
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: I got six acres here, the neighbors got eleven. Other

738
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: guy's got five. So that's a that's a totally different

739
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: perspective than someone who has the run of four hundred,

740
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,479
Speaker 1: five hundred, six hundred acres um. There's only so many,

741
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: only so many trees you can put a stand in

742
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: on six acres. Yeah, that's something I can definitely relate

743
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: to here in Michigan too. Yeah. So it's just a

744
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: different it's a different experience. I think you have to

745
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: have different expectations. But certainly, I mean, I go to

746
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: Illinois every year. I've been hunting there for I don't know,

747
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: fifteen years every year, and it's it's different, Um, just

748
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: because you're so confined here. It's it's just a different thing.

749
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: And and one of the um misconceptions can be I

750
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: live in a very suburban area and a lot of

751
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: people think, oh, that's great hunting down there, you know,

752
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: because access is so hard to get. It's hard to

753
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 1: get if you're from the outside. That doesn't mean nobody's

754
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: hunting there, because I can tell you pretty much around me,

755
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: if a place can be hunted, someone is hunting it.

756
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: That's the pencil. I'm sure that's the same in Michigan.

757
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: One of the good things about hunting in Pennsylvania is

758
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: it's an accepted way of life. I think more so

759
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: we don't see a whole lot of the anti hunting um.

760
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: You just don't run into that that much. Yeah, I

761
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: want to go back to what you mentioned a second ago,

762
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: being expectations. And if you are if you're someone who

763
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: hunts in Pennsylvania or Michigan or New York or you know,

764
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: Virginia or some of these other states that aren't necessarily

765
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: like the the Midwest, top tier white tail states that

766
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: we see on TV or see in the magazines and everything.

767
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: Why why do you think setting why our expectation is

768
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: important to that type of hunter? And can you can

769
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: you help us but understand you know, what we should

770
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: be thinking about when trying to set proper expectations in

771
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: a situation like that. Sure, if if you if you

772
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: go to if I go to Kansas, d and fifty

773
00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: inteers a very real possibility here in Pennsylvania. I've been

774
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: hunting here since I'm in my seventh year. I don't

775
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: know that I've ever I think I've maybe ever seen

776
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: one deer of that size. Ever, I've never shot one

777
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: like that. A friend of mine killed it. Um, So

778
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: it's it's not it's not that it's not realistic for

779
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: me to expect that. Well, it is really unrealistic for

780
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: me to expect that. But if that's my goal and

781
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: I don't achieve it, I can't really be upset because

782
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: the odds of that here are pretty slim. But if

783
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: I know that, well, then hey, that's okay. Um. But

784
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: if you go out every year and you're like, oh man,

785
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: I want to kill a one forty, you can't really

786
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: be upset when you don't, because it's just it's you know,

787
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: just I'm for the longest time before Pennsylvania changed its

788
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: deer management program and two thousand one, the biologists said, hey,

789
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania hunters kill on average of the year and a

790
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: half old deer every year. That does that doesn't leave

791
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: a lot left to get to two and a half

792
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: then let alone three and a half, four and a half,

793
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: five and a half. We've since moved that scale a

794
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: little bit to now where we don't kill as many

795
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: a year and a half. I think we're above fifty

796
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: percent that they're at least two and a half were older,

797
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: But the biologists will be the first to tell you

798
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: they're pretty much now we're just killing two and a

799
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: half year old deer. So that's still you know, you're

800
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: that's a heck two and a half year old deer

801
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: that gets to one fifty, that's a that's a heck

802
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,479
Speaker 1: of a deer that's going to be pretty rare. Yeah.

803
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: So do you do you set your expectations in Pennsylvania?

804
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: I guess how do you personally set your expectations? Is

805
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: it based on your trying to kill a certain size

806
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: antler buck? Or is it age or the just shoot

807
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: whatever one makes you excited? Or how do you how

808
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: do you think? You know what? You know what my

809
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: thought is. My thought is I don't want to shoot

810
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: one that I can clearly see is one and a

811
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: half or two and a half, you know, the small

812
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: deer with the skinny neck. Um. Those deer kind of

813
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: stand out. I don't want to shoot one of those.

814
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: That's me personally. And then for antlers, it's you know,

815
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: if it's definitely not in that age class, I'll shoot it.

816
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: There's there's a deer that's been living behind my house

817
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: that is actually a giant six pointer. This thing has

818
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: an enormous frame and I can tell I've have several

819
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: pictures of that deer. He's at least three and a half. Now,

820
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: this deer wouldn't score for anything. I would love to

821
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: kill that deer. He is just unique. Um. I just

822
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: think he's an awesome deer. So that's kind of my

823
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: expectations and I and those are I think those are

824
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: realistic expectations. Don't kill a deer every year, but you know,

825
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: I do pass up ones that are legal, dear um,

826
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: And I'm okay with that. But that's that's fine with me.

827
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I don't have to shoot. But

828
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'm probably like a lot of hunters. My

829
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: basement is full of the exact same eight pointer fourteen

830
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: fifteen inch eight pointer hundred and twelve hundred fifteen inches.

831
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: I probably got ten fifteen of those, Do I need

832
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: to shoot another one? No? Personally I don't. But that's me,

833
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: you know somebody else I get it. They may have

834
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: limited time, you know, they get out a couple of days.

835
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: They want to shoot the first legal buck. Good do it.

836
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: That's your business. Knock yourself out. I don't have any

837
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: problem with that. Um. But like I said, for me,

838
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of how I set my goals

839
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 1: going into a season. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

840
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: So so, okay, you mentioned two of the unique factors

841
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: there in a place like Pennsylvania are small properties and

842
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: very high density of other hunters and people. So how

843
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: do you tackle those two issues? How do you deal

844
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: with the heavy hunting pressure and how do you uniquely

845
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: deal with small properties? How does that change your hunting strategy? Well,

846
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: first off, I should say we do have we are

847
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: fortunate here to have a lot of public land in Pennsylvania.

848
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: There is a lot just our State Game Commission, which

849
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: is comparable to d n R in other states. Just

850
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: our State Game Commission owned. I think it's one and

851
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: a half million acres. On top of that, we've got

852
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: State Forest, We've got the Allegheny National Forest, which it

853
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: alone is five hundred and some thousand acres UM, so

854
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: we've got probably I think the last number I saw

855
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,479
Speaker 1: was it was pushing three million acres of public hunting land,

856
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: which in a state beside of Pennsylvania, that's pretty signal

857
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: skin because I think we're fourth in overall population in

858
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: the country, so we're not a big state, but we

859
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: got a lot of people. UM, So there is a

860
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: lot of public land out there. Unfortunately, it hasn't always

861
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: been um managed in the best way, and so there

862
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: are you know, you'll have one tract of state game

863
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 1: lands that might be acres, and boy, you can spend

864
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: all day and have trouble finding one. Dear Um. That's

865
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: but that is an avenue if you want to go

866
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: back in. We've had many studies here the show the

867
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: guy who's willing to really hoof it in and get

868
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: more than a mile from the road, you can find

869
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: you can get away from the crowds. Will you find dear, Well,

870
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: that's the next hurdle, But you can get away from

871
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: the people on public lands. UM. Where I live, I

872
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: live down in southeast basically between Philadelphia and Harrisburg. UM.

873
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: If people are familiar with that, that's where I live,

874
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of public land, and the

875
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: public land we do have really gets pounded, so I

876
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: stay away from that. UM. My strategy is more trying

877
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: to get onto smaller private properties or we have, UM,

878
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: we have some public land that allows limited access to

879
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: certain groups. You know, you have to pass tests and

880
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: things like that, and with them being smaller properties, I

881
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: just try to line up several of them so you know,

882
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: maybe I have six acres I can hunt here, ten

883
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: acres over there, you know, fifteen here. UM. That's kind

884
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: of my strategy versus having one good place, I have

885
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: several smaller places to hunt. That That's kind of been

886
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: my strategy. It's we're very fortunate here. We have groups

887
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: like Natural Lands Trust that UM they come in and

888
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: fortunately they're eager to buy up places in Pennsylvania because

889
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: they want to preserve it before it gets developed. And

890
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 1: they understand the value of hunting, so they allow hunting

891
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: and they run these hunting programs. You have to pass

892
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: a test to get in. So I'm in two places

893
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: like that, UM, where it's it's public land public hunting land,

894
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: so the number of hunters is pretty limited and and

895
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: it's decent it's it's not great, but it's pretty decent.

896
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: So that's kind of how that that's kind of a

897
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: strategy I take. I don't like to I don't have

898
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: my brother in law has a camp in the mountains,

899
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: but I don't go up there much for deer hunting,

900
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: just as soon hunt around home before work, after work

901
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: on weekends, that kind of thing. So one of the

902
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: things that I think about, and I'm hearing about your situation,

903
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, hunting a series of these small properties, um,

904
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: at least for me and my hunting, you know, in

905
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: my hunting experiences, one of the things I'm always concerned

906
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: about the most is being really careful about when I

907
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: hunt a spot to keep that pressure low and you know,

908
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: trying to make sure and trying to make sure I'm

909
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: not going either too much or things like that. And

910
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 1: that's and that's a consideration, you know, even when I'm hunting,

911
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, eighty or ninety acre pieces, let alone a

912
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: six acre piece. So how do you how does that

913
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: factor How is hunting pressure? You're hunting pressure factor into

914
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: how and when you hunt these little pieces. I kind

915
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: of call that taking the temperature, Taking the temperature of

916
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: the property, you because they are these small properties. You know,

917
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: a deer we know has average home range of about

918
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: a mile, Well, how am I going to catch him

919
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: when he's on that six acres? I can hunt? You

920
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: And from what I've seen over the years is deer

921
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: kind of have a cyclical pattern and you kind of

922
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: have to stay on top of what's happening on your

923
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: properties to know when they're going to be there to

924
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: hit it right. You know, you can do that with

925
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: trail cameras. Um, maybe hunting it, you know, one morning

926
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,959
Speaker 1: one day a week, hunting a you know, or hunt

927
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: a morning on Monday and hunting evening on Friday. I

928
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: found by doing that I can usually then figure out, okay,

929
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: I need to be here at this time between that

930
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: and my cameras. Um. But yeah, you're right, because I

931
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: have seen you know, obviously I learned through trial and error.

932
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: I'd go in and hunt the same stand day after

933
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: day after day, and then the deer sightings would just dwindled, dwindled, dwindle,

934
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: and then I wasn't seeing anything. Um, it was pretty

935
00:54:53,440 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: clear what was happening because I couldn't move, the deer moved. Um.

936
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: It's pretty simple science there doesn't take a genius to

937
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: figure that out. But um, yeah, that's that's kind of

938
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: how I go about it. And to be honest, there

939
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: will be periods like, um, the second week, second and

940
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: third week of October. I don't think I've ever killed

941
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: a deer in Pennsylvania. Um So because of that, I

942
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: don't invest too much time then. I mean, I understand

943
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: anything's possible. The deer of a lifetime could walk by then,

944
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: but my history has shown those aren't the best times.

945
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put a lot of effort then first week,

946
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: and then once you start getting around Thanks Halloween and

947
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 1: then on into November, then I'm going to start putting

948
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: more effort in Yeah, yeah, I've I've found a similar

949
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: thing to be true too for me, when you know,

950
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: for that same basic reason trying to keep pressure low,

951
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: I'll hunt early the season, the first few days in

952
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: the season, that first week, and then layoff it and

953
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: then wait till that pre rut type of activity starts,

954
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: and then the odds of that movement rises up. And

955
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: so it's worth the risk of going in there and

956
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: putting pressure on those deer because the opportunity is so

957
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: much greater and and Interestingly, I moved to a new

958
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: place two years ago, so this year was my second

959
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,439
Speaker 1: season um living where I am, and I can hunt

960
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: right around my house. And one of the unique things

961
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: I noticed is, for whatever reason, the best rut activity

962
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: around there is November six to two years in a row.

963
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: The exact same thing happened. I was out in Illinois

964
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: hunting and my wife's at home and she's telling me, PJ.

965
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 1: There's these big bucks running around the wood here like crazy,

966
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: you know, all day, and I'm gone, and you know,

967
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: I was hunting, you know, figuring. Oh, first week in November,

968
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I'm sitting in my treestand seeing nothing but

969
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 1: doze and little bucks, Like, what the heck is going on? Well,

970
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: you know I've read up about this that um deer

971
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: on a local basis will have their sweet spot for

972
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: activity like that. You know, they tell you the rut. Oh,

973
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: it's from you know, Halloween into the third week of November.

974
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: That's and and there's a bell curve. It is what

975
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: I've seen a picture of. Well, your individual location, the

976
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: peak of that bell curve can move. It can be

977
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: you know, sixteen to where I am and ten miles

978
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: away it can be the fourth to the eighth, you know. Um,

979
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: I know there was another property I hunted for a

980
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: long time and I knew that if I was in

981
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: my tree stand November seven, eight nine, something was going

982
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: to happen. Those were the days on that property. UM. So,

983
00:57:54,800 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: just experience cameras, you know, observations, things like that. It's

984
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: what you learn over time. Yeah, it's interesting how there

985
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: are th local variances that that to your point, I

986
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: think every place is a little bit different and that

987
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: experience you start to pick up on that. Um So,

988
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: speaking back to um kind of the different observations you're

989
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: able to make on these propers you mentioned using trail cameras,

990
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: UM and hunting and observing. Can you elaborate a little

991
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: bit on on how you scout these properties, both the

992
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: details of what you're doing with trail cameras and any

993
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: on the ground scouting you do off season, in season,

994
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: anything like that. One of the one of the good

995
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: things I guess about hunting the small properties, Like I

996
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: said it, there's only so many places you can be

997
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: UM and it's usually okay. If finally got six acres

998
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: to work with, finding the main deer path is really

999
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: all I can do. It may not be the best

1000
00:58:55,400 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: place in the area, but it's all I have access to. Um,

1001
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, I will find these trails, hunt him a

1002
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: few times, you know, and you can see what the

1003
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: deer doing. Just paying attention to when they move and

1004
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: where they move. You can fine tune your adjustments like that.

1005
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: Then for trail cameras, what I like is to just

1006
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: pick up on daytime deer movement. UM, I don't have

1007
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: to see them, you know from my stand if if

1008
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm getting consistent daylight pictures of bucks, Okay, now I know,

1009
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: all right, I need to be out there. You know,

1010
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: will the will a deer that I want to come by?

1011
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: Who knows, but I can tell. Now, Okay, this is

1012
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: a time, And like I said, both times are the

1013
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: last two years. I have several mature books on my

1014
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: cameras in that time period. November one of them. This year.

1015
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: It was my first day. I had been in Illinois

1016
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: for eight days. My first day back, of course, I

1017
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: had to go to work. It was a Monday. But

1018
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: at three thirty this giant eight pointer walked about thirty

1019
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: yards from my house, past my cameras, chasing it. Dough

1020
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: and I was at work, so I thought, oh, you

1021
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: gotta be kidding me. That's brutal. And I had never

1022
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 1: seen that dear before. He hung around for three days,

1023
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: I never saw him again. Isn't that crazy? So you know,

1024
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: it's just a deer that I'm sure a hot dough

1025
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: brought in and then he was gone. You know an

1026
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: interesting thing that that a number of people have shared

1027
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: with with us here in the last year or two

1028
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: is that some people, and you've probably maybe seen some

1029
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: people talk about this, UM and some of the magazines

1030
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: you've written for two where they're talking about some of

1031
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: these kind of annual patterns. Were a buck like that

1032
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: that maybe goes on a three or four day little

1033
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: trip might tend to do the same thing every year

1034
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: at the same time. UM. I wonder if that's something

1035
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: that might be happening there too in your situation. I

1036
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: could totally see that. You know, Um, there's um during

1037
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: the summer. Uh, there was a uh ten pointer that

1038
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: I knew was only two and a half years old.

1039
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: He was just a young deer, but boy he had

1040
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: a beautiful ten point rack. I was probably I'm going

1041
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: to say he was probably about and I was like, oh, man,

1042
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: I hope that deer lives. You know, I knew, Hey,

1043
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm not going to shoot that deer, but man, he's

1044
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: an awesome deer. I had pictures of this year every day,

1045
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: um in July and August, and then one day he

1046
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: just he disappeared and I never got another picture of

1047
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: him again until December. I was sure he was dead,

1048
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, somebody killed him. He hung around for one

1049
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: day gone. I never saw him again until two weeks ago.

1050
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: You know, to what what is that deer doing? Who knows?

1051
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: But I mean, to be so stuck to a pattern,

1052
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: day after day after day after day. My wife would

1053
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: see him, you know, in the field at night when

1054
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: she would come home, and sure enough, once it got dark,

1055
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: he would come through our woods. He'd be on the camera.

1056
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: How how can he be so stuck to that pattern

1057
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: and then completely disappear for what three four months? I

1058
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: don't know, but you know, so clearly they have things

1059
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,479
Speaker 1: that they do, and so I can totally see where

1060
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: a buck would come in. Hey, it's November fifteen, Time

1061
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:34,439
Speaker 1: to go through this piece of woods. It's it's miss

1062
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: mysterious and fascinating all at once, that's for sure, for sure.

1063
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: Back to back to this time period. We're talking about

1064
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: the rut and there's November time period. Um, how is

1065
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: hunting in the Northeast different during the rut compared to

1066
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: some of these other places you've been. I mean, I

1067
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: think a lot of times when we talk about hunting

1068
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: the rut in popular media, when you're reading about the Midwest,

1069
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: everyone's crashing antlers together and they're hunting little little pinch

1070
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: points between crop fields and stuff. Is is that stuff

1071
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: working for you in Pennsylvania or is it very different

1072
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: at that time? I have me personally, I have never

1073
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: had luck rattling alers in Pennsylvania. Any time I have

1074
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: tried it and had deer within sight, it scares the

1075
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: heck out. That's that's been my experience. I don't know

1076
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: what's happening that does that. If there's well, I have

1077
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: an idea. I've sat in my tree stand enough and

1078
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: heard the neighbor's calling. You know where my goal with

1079
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: calling is. I want whatever I'm doing to be absolutely,

1080
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: like barely audible. I don't want to make I can't

1081
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: get any of my calling quiet enough for my taste.

1082
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: But then to sit there and hear a guy that

1083
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: I know is two fifty yards away, and I can

1084
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: hear as grunts as clear as day. You know, deer

1085
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: are hearing that as well, and so I personally I

1086
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:09,959
Speaker 1: believe that has an effect. I don't think I think

1087
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: you're calling has to be completely different. You know. Then

1088
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: when I go to Illinois, heck yeal, I'll bang antlers together.

1089
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: My grunts will be loud, I'll use the canned dough

1090
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: calls all that. Pennsylvania, I might do one quiet grunt,

1091
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, just something that's as quiet as can be. Um.

1092
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: That's what I have found work. And I actually have

1093
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: called in several deer over the years, but it's always

1094
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: been Subtlety is my is my main thing, which you know,

1095
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: now we have all these calls coming out the growler,

1096
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: the hyper growl, calls that are very loud and aggressive.

1097
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: It's actually hard for me to find one that's quiet enough.

1098
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: So and I've been in the woods and her deer

1099
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: come through and it's very subtle. I've never heard aloud

1100
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: grunt in p A. If I hear it, usually I'm like,

1101
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: what was that a tree creaking one? I mean that

1102
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: sure sounded like a grunt. And then you look over

1103
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: and you see the deer and boy, it's just real

1104
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: quiet man. Man. Yeah, it's just not that aggressive stuff

1105
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: you'll hear out West or Midwest. So, so what's the situation,

1106
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: what's the situation in Pennsylvania, um? Or the type of

1107
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: situation where you have been able to use one of

1108
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: those soft grunts to get a deer? And is that

1109
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: a situation where there's deer close and news needed him

1110
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: to come into range just a little more, or what's

1111
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: that specific circumstances where it might work in that area.

1112
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: There's two things I like to do. One of the

1113
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: things I like to do, because I am anchored to

1114
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: small properties, is I like to do a lot of

1115
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: blind calling. I'm I'm within calling distance of other people's properties,

1116
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: even doing it quietly. Um. You know, if I'm on

1117
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: a three piece, the neighbor's property is fifty yards away.

1118
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: So I do like to do a lot of blind

1119
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: calling where I am just a little bit louder um.

1120
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: But in those situations I'm very short. I might do

1121
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: three grunts, you know, moderate volume, definitely not loud. Three grunts,

1122
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: and then I may do a doe call and then

1123
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: that'll be it for at least forty minutes. That's usually

1124
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: my time frame. I go by and you'll be surprised,

1125
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, after twenty minutes, one will come in. Um

1126
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,439
Speaker 1: the other. The other scenario is, yes, where I see one,

1127
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: and then if I can see him, if I can

1128
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: see a book, I don't care how far it is,

1129
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: you know, he could be well. Obviously, if he's like

1130
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: thirty yards the way, I'm not calling at him. But

1131
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: if he's outside, you know, sixty to two yards, I'm

1132
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: going to start out being absolutely as quiet as possible

1133
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: until I know he heard me. That's the only whale variant,

1134
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: and then as soon as he hears me, I'm not

1135
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: calling again, because I've seen even where you know, I'm

1136
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: sure lots of hunters have been there to where you

1137
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: get the deer's attention and they don't really show interest.

1138
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: The next time you call, that thing takes off for

1139
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: the next county, and it's even though they're not really

1140
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: paying attention to you. You know, there, that's not the

1141
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: deer you're going to bring in. That deer is not

1142
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: in the right mood. Um. If you get the one

1143
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: that's in the right mood that first call, he's gonna

1144
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: somehow start angling even if he's going to circle to

1145
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 1: get down wind, he's angling towards you, and you'll you know,

1146
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: you'll know it. But interestingly, twice this has happened to

1147
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: me to where I've had a hot dog come through

1148
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: with the buck, and the buck's grunting like crazy, crazy, crazy,

1149
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: and of course my instant reaction is to pick up

1150
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: the grunt call. And I've just learned through doing this

1151
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and two times it worked to perfection.

1152
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: I switched and started calling the dough. I just picked

1153
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: up my can call. And because they're in that that

1154
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: heavy chase I found, it doesn't matter that I'm doing

1155
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 1: it over and over and over and over again. Eventually

1156
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: that dough both times has worked her way right to

1157
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: the base of my tree, and I killed both of

1158
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: those bucks. And you know, I think I saw one

1159
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: time um where the dough came in. There was one

1160
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: hot dough with a herd, and that buck was doing

1161
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 1: everything he could get that dough away from the herd,

1162
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: and all that dough wanted to do was get with

1163
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: the herd. So I just started doing do call and

1164
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: do call and do call, and eventually she came over

1165
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: and I killed the buck. So you know, there's obviously

1166
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of situational baseball there, but in general,

1167
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: whatever I do, I'm trying to do it as quiet

1168
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: as possible. Yeah. In that in that specific instance with

1169
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: the dough situation, Um, were you just using a dough

1170
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: and estrus can call that kind of thing, or you

1171
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: were reasoningly that was what you were doing? Okay, I

1172
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: had the I had the basic um, dough and heat

1173
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: primos can't call just turning it over and over. And

1174
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: I mean the two deer were making such a racket anyway,

1175
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: crashing through branches, they were running through the stream, the

1176
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 1: bucks grunting. I mean, it was loud even without me,

1177
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: and I just you know, I don't know certainly at

1178
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: some points they're not hearing me. Um, But eventually the

1179
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: dough was like, you know, hey, there's some relief over there.

1180
01:09:53,280 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Um. Speaking one final question the calling topic, Um,

1181
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: are you just using those types of calls in Pennsylvania

1182
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: during the rut or will you ever use that type

1183
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: of soft grunting type of thing in the early season

1184
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: or later in the year and everything? Yeah, I have, Um,

1185
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: there's one call I have, Man, I've had it for

1186
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: about fifteen years. I love it. It's this little it's

1187
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: a real tiny short mouth call, um that I can

1188
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 1: move a rubber band on and so I can take

1189
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: a buck grunt and make it a little bit higher pitched,

1190
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: so it's not quite as aggressive. And I've had luck

1191
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: with that in you know, early October, just you know,

1192
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: just be sitting there and just give a nice man.

1193
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 1: And I've had Bucks come into that. You know. I

1194
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: don't know if it's just a social thing or if

1195
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: it is some sort of pre rut behavior, um, but

1196
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: I have had Bucks answered that in the early season. Interest.

1197
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: I'll use that anytime. But again, like I said, it's

1198
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: not going to be that low pitched, more aggressive grunt.

1199
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: It's going to be a little higher pitched. Yeah, yeah,

1200
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: that makes sense. So we're we're we've been talking about

1201
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: all these different types of adaptations from your calling standpoint

1202
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: or how often you hunt a property, and it's all

1203
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: kind of because of hunting pressure. How that changes dear

1204
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: behavior and everything. Um. Has that has that unique issue

1205
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 1: that you deal with there in Pennsylvania or the Northeast.

1206
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: Has that changed at all? How you think about stand placement,

1207
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,719
Speaker 1: you know, where you put your your tree stander, how high,

1208
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,719
Speaker 1: or what kind of stuff you do or think about

1209
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: when you set it up, it has um. Incidentally, when

1210
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,759
Speaker 1: you just mentioned how high, I am a height freak.

1211
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 1: Nobody likes to hunt from my stand because they're going

1212
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: to be at least I basically a lot of the

1213
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: woods I hunt our toolip poplar. It's just a great, big,

1214
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: huge forest of telephone poles. It's hard, dear no to

1215
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: look up and you stick out. And I've just found

1216
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: if I can get in the in the ft range

1217
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 1: that seems to be out of their normal line of

1218
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:13,560
Speaker 1: sight or at least where they're not expecting danger. Um.

1219
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that's just from running into lots of

1220
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: people in tree stands, um, and in walking through the

1221
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 1: woods and finding other people's tree stands. I've noticed other

1222
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 1: people don't do that, So I figure if I'm doing

1223
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:33,759
Speaker 1: something everybody else isn't, that's got to be better for me. Yeah. Now,

1224
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 1: obviously because of that, I'm also a safety nut. You know,

1225
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: if I got to hang on stand, it's got a

1226
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,879
Speaker 1: lifeline running down. If I'm using my climber, I'm attached

1227
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: from the ground up. So I don't want to be

1228
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 1: a statistic so is there is there anything else that

1229
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: you're doing, just in general, whether it be in the

1230
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: northeast or elsewhere, just to you know when it comes

1231
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: to those stands and how you're situating them or anything.

1232
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: Another thing is when in doubt, I just get into

1233
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: thick stuff. Um. I know that the kind of the

1234
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: common thinking is stay out of the thick stuff, because

1235
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: that's the betting area where I am dear. Don't like

1236
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 1: the open woods, those tool of poplar forests. If they're

1237
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,639
Speaker 1: in them, they're moving through them with a purpose. Um.

1238
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: And I've just found if I can get into the

1239
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: thick stuff, that's where I'm going to find deer that

1240
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: are calm, more calm and settled down and doing more

1241
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 1: of their natural thing. Um. And again I'm sure that's

1242
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: because of pressure. Um. But and even like as the

1243
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:45,799
Speaker 1: season goes on, Okay, Um, late September a big standard

1244
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: tool of papers, you got lots of green on the ground.

1245
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 1: That's not so bad come November. There's there's some stands

1246
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 1: where I don't even hunt there because I know I'm

1247
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 1: never going to see a deer in there. Um. It's

1248
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: just too open um. So I think that's one of

1249
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: the other things too, because of pressure getting the thick

1250
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 1: stuff that that never seems to be a bad idea. Yeah,

1251
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: you may dump them or you may bump them from

1252
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: a betting area, but you know what else are you

1253
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 1: gonna do? I'll take that chance, you know. Um. Fortunately,

1254
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: one of the good things is there is a lot

1255
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: of thick stuff, so maybe I can come into one

1256
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,640
Speaker 1: side of a thicket when I know the deer at

1257
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 1: the other. There's actually a one place that I hunt

1258
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: where it took me four years. I knew the deer

1259
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 1: were in the thicket, and it took me four years

1260
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: to figure out how to get in without chasing them

1261
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: all out. And then once I did, it was awesome.

1262
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: You know. I had a couple of years where I

1263
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: killed deer and then unfortunately, this this being Pennsylvania, I'll

1264
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 1: never forget this. I shot a ten pointer in there.

1265
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: I was dragging it out, and um, I took my

1266
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 1: cart all the way out to my truck, put it

1267
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: on the back, and I went home. What I didn't

1268
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: see was there was a guy coming down the hill

1269
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 1: the other way. He saw me with that deer on

1270
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 1: his on my truck with the cart. He followed my

1271
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: tracks back to my tree stand. And next year when

1272
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: I went into hangingstand, no one had ever had a

1273
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 1: tree stand. And there when I went in there there

1274
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: was a tree stand ten yards away from the one

1275
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 1: I usually put mine in, and he had taken two

1276
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: of my bright eyes off the tree and marked his tree.

1277
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: Now he he had from the reason I know all

1278
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 1: this happened is I then saw him and I said hey.

1279
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: I said, uh um, you know no, I said, sorry,

1280
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 1: you know I'm in here. I nobody ever had a

1281
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 1: tree stand in here besides me. And he told me,

1282
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: he said, oh yeah, last year I saw you got

1283
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 1: that buck. It was a nice one, he said. So

1284
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 1: I followed your tracks because this would be a good

1285
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: place for me to hunt. I mean he straight out

1286
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 1: told me. So that's awesome. But he had permission to

1287
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 1: be there. Just nothing I could do about it. So

1288
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 1: I actually I moved. I figured this isn't worth it,

1289
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'll go find my I'll find another place.

1290
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: What was yeah, what was it that you were able

1291
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: to do to get in there? You know, you mentioned

1292
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 1: that you'd figured out a different way to get in

1293
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 1: so you could hunt it. What specifically wasn't that you changed?

1294
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: So the the obvious route, there was a trail going.

1295
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: The part of the problems was is there were two

1296
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 1: property lines that I couldn't cross, so it kind of

1297
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: forced me in through this one area. And I kept

1298
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: going through there and I kept bumping deer and I thought, man,

1299
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: this is killing me. So what happened was is I

1300
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 1: went and found one of the landowners posted the land

1301
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: solid and it took some convincing, but I told him.

1302
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: I was like, look, I'm not hunting your property. I

1303
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 1: just want to walk around through here. And he had

1304
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,680
Speaker 1: his his land bordered this stream, and so what I

1305
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:09,879
Speaker 1: did was I just wanted to get in the stream

1306
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: and take that and so that I could come actually

1307
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 1: from the back side of this tree I was hunting,

1308
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: rather than the front. It was a little more open

1309
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 1: because the stream was there, etcetera. That's not where the

1310
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: deer were. They were on the other side. So that

1311
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 1: was how I finally figured out how to get in there.

1312
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 1: But with all the postage signs the guy had, you know,

1313
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 1: for the first three years, I was intimidated. I thought

1314
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:37,600
Speaker 1: he's just gonna yell at me. I don't want to

1315
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 1: deal with it. Finally I saw him one day and

1316
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 1: I said, hey, just by any chance. He no, no hunting,

1317
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: no hunting. And I said, well, I don't want to hunt.

1318
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: Would you have a problem with me just cutting this

1319
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: slight corner here to get in the stream, And he said, well,

1320
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,719
Speaker 1: I guess that's not a problem. That's awesome. Well perfect.

1321
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,799
Speaker 1: It's amazing how x us in in tweaking your access

1322
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: in some ways can totally change how plays hunts. It's

1323
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 1: so important. Oh it did. And and see the problem

1324
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: was is the new guy who then moved in, he

1325
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: came in the obvious route, so I knew he was

1326
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:17,759
Speaker 1: just killing that spot, so I moved. That's brutal. Yeah. Yeah,

1327
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: So speaking of um hunting the thick stuff like that,

1328
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: um and how that's kind of necessary where you're hunting

1329
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: to get on these deer and see them moving in daylight.

1330
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: That's one of those things though, when you when you

1331
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: hear someone who is is hunting in Illinois o Iiowa,

1332
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: maybe a lot of guys might say, oh, stay out

1333
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: of your thick stuff, keep that a sanctuary, just hunt

1334
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: outside of it. What what other things like that that

1335
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 1: we here recommended for hunting in the low pressure big

1336
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: buck states in the Midwest? What other things they recommend,

1337
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 1: do you find not to work in Pennsylvania that Northeastern

1338
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 1: guys need to ignore that advice and do something different.

1339
01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 1: One of the actually one of the best is getting

1340
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 1: in close to houses. Um. The deer know that that's

1341
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: a safe place to be, especially during gun season. They're

1342
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: going right for the houses. UM. So fortunately here in

1343
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 1: p A we have a UM there's a hundred and

1344
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 1: fifty yards safety zone around any house unless you get

1345
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: that homeowners permission, then you can violate that hundred fifty yards.

1346
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: But with a bow, it's only fifty yards. So that

1347
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: opens up a lot more places in closed houses. Which

1348
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 1: if I'm going to Illinois, I'm getting as far away

1349
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 1: from any house I see, um, you know as I can.

1350
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 1: But here in the Northeast, those if you get a

1351
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 1: little wood lot tight to a house, that's where you're

1352
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 1: gonna find your deer. So so you just kind of

1353
01:19:55,040 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: have to kind of that's that's always tricky. UM. I

1354
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 1: like to think, um conscientious on the homeowner's behalf. I'm

1355
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: not if I'm in that situation, UM taken pretty much

1356
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 1: only a short thing shot. I'm not launching arrows. It's you.

1357
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 1: I just don't want anything to go wrong, so very

1358
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 1: conscious about that. Yeah, have you ever had that uncomfortable

1359
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:28,560
Speaker 1: situation where a deer you shot has ran through someone's

1360
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 1: yard or something like that knock on wood. I have not, Fortunately,

1361
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 1: I have never had one. You hear the horror stories.

1362
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: I shot this deer and it ran right up into

1363
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: the backyard and fell over under the kids swing set,

1364
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: something like that, knock on wood. I have not ever

1365
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 1: had to deal with that situation. Yeah, that would be tough.

1366
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: It's Yeah. One of my good buddies this past hunting season,

1367
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 1: um had a deer run into his yard and die

1368
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,719
Speaker 1: leaning up against his garage. Um with an arrow still

1369
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: in it. Oh man. Yeah, so that was Luckily he

1370
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 1: was a hunter and so he was understanding that kind

1371
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 1: of thing. But I imagine there's some people who some

1372
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 1: people who weren't so comfortable with seeing a dead deer

1373
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 1: might have been pretty shocked by that. Yeah. I mean

1374
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 1: you can just imagine, you know, what if the what

1375
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 1: if you know, ten year old kid happens to be

1376
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: looking out the window right then It's just that's tough.

1377
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean, to be honest, I've had shot situations that

1378
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 1: I didn't take because I was afraid that was going

1379
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: to happen. Um, you know, if the deer is on

1380
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 1: that side of me, I might not shoot it. Yeah,

1381
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 1: so it may be a combination of luck and just

1382
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,919
Speaker 1: I haven't put myself in that position, right right. I.

1383
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 1: I actually my very first year, speaking of first year,

1384
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 1: as we were towards the beginning of our conversation, the

1385
01:21:58,080 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: very first year I ever shot was with a bow,

1386
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 1: and it was on the little piece of property that

1387
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 1: my parents house is on, which was a three and

1388
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 1: a quarter acre piece and kind of in a neighborhood

1389
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 1: sort of deal. And I shot that deer and when

1390
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 1: it ran off, and I was all excited and so

1391
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: pumped up, and I went upstairs or went up the hill,

1392
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,679
Speaker 1: um to to get my dad afterwards. And unfortunately, instead

1393
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 1: of being excited about, you know, me having shot this deer,

1394
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 1: all my mom and dad were worried about was, oh, jeez,

1395
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 1: did did the deer run in to the neighbor's yard?

1396
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do? Unfortunately, unfortunately it didn't, but

1397
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,839
Speaker 1: it caused a little bit of stress there at the outside. Yeah,

1398
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: that can make an impression and yeah, and I it

1399
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: can be I mean, there can be bad situations. I

1400
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: was with a friend who shot a deer with his

1401
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: shotgun and it ran. It was a nice bucket, it

1402
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 1: ran into this property. We did everything. We went and

1403
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 1: found the landowner and he flat out told us if

1404
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 1: that deer's in there, did he's staying in there? Did

1405
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: you know? I mean nothing, nothing we could do. That's

1406
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. The landowner um has all the power. They

1407
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: can just tell you, well, sorry, you're not going in there. Yeah,

1408
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 1: it's the same in Michigan, in Ohio and those of

1409
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: I've had situations like that where I've been afraid that

1410
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,560
Speaker 1: would happen, and that's just the worst feeling ever is

1411
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: to to to to imagine being right there and you

1412
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 1: can't and you can't go retrieve it exactly. I think

1413
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: I believe, you know, you can call the game warden,

1414
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: and the game warden has a little more leeway, But

1415
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: I I've I'm not sure totally the first off for

1416
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: us to get a game warden um that would take

1417
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: forever anyway, if they would come out at all, because

1418
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 1: there aren't many of them. But I still don't think

1419
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 1: even they can go in because that's not a I

1420
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:55,440
Speaker 1: know they can go on property when they have probable

1421
01:23:55,479 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: cause for a crime. But that's not a crime. So, uh,

1422
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: a tough one. It's a tough one. Yeah, yeah, it is.

1423
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: Now PJ, I want to I want to reverse kind

1424
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 1: of what we've been talking about here for a second. Um,

1425
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about, you know, guys hunting in

1426
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania or the Northeast and what they need to do

1427
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: differently than what we hear about in the media. But

1428
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 1: what about for someone who hunts in the Northeast, lives

1429
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 1: in the Northeast, that's all they've ever known, Um, and

1430
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 1: now they're gonna go out for their first trip to

1431
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:26,719
Speaker 1: the Midwest. Um, I know you've done that a lot.

1432
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: What what kind of things we do recommend for that person?

1433
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 1: That's heaven for that person. First of all. Yeah, my

1434
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 1: first thing is is hey, just sit back and enjoy it.

1435
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 1: Don't shoot the first one that runs up, because it's yeah,

1436
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 1: it's it's totally different. I mean, I still get a

1437
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 1: kick out of it that I'll go out there, you know,

1438
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:51,719
Speaker 1: I'll sit all season in p A and maybe see

1439
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 1: three books and then I'll go to Illinois and see

1440
01:24:54,040 --> 01:25:00,520
Speaker 1: ten in my first sitting. Um, So it's yeah, it's

1441
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: it's a different The guy I hunt with and Illinois

1442
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 1: has gotten to be a friend of mine. He's from

1443
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 1: Connecticut originally and he moved to Illinois. So I like

1444
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 1: his philosophy. He has a lot of Northeast hunters, and

1445
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: so you hear about oh, you know, you shoot anything

1446
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: under one forty, it's fine, blah blah blah. He doesn't

1447
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 1: go by that. His thing is, I have a lot

1448
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: of guys from Massachusetts who have never seen a hundred

1449
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 1: and thirty deer. Why am I going to tell that

1450
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: guy not to shoot that, dear. So his thing is, hey,

1451
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 1: if you want to shoot this thing, go ahead shoot it,

1452
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 1: and um, which is a good mindset. But I said

1453
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: I My thought always is, hey, unless it's you know,

1454
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: the real holy crap dear, you know, don't shoot that

1455
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 1: first one, just so you can enjoy the experience, because

1456
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, with the right weather, there's going to be

1457
01:25:56,120 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 1: more common. Um. So I like to see people get

1458
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 1: to see that, you know, sit there and see in

1459
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 1: Illinois rut where one dough comes into heat and all

1460
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 1: of a sudden there's five six, seven bucks running through,

1461
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, chasing checking the scent all that stuff. Um, yeah,

1462
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 1: So that's kind of That's kind of what I like

1463
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 1: to tell people, just to you know, and and also

1464
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 1: to say, hey, even in Illinois, you know, hundred and

1465
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 1: sixty inches aren't behind every tree. So don't you know again,

1466
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 1: be realistic. If you see you know, if the outfitter

1467
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: doesn't have any rules on it. But if you see

1468
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 1: the biggest buck you've ever seen, why not shoot it.

1469
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: It's bigger than anything else you've ever shot. Two point expectations.

1470
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 1: Expectations are important no matter where you're hunt they are

1471
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: because I see so many people who go out there,

1472
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Speaker 1: you know, in hunting with my friend, who just have

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01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:02,839
Speaker 1: this expect of a hundred and fifty hundred and sixty

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01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 1: inch here. Oh that's what. That's all I'm gonna shoot.

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm gonna shoot. You know, It's not that

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Speaker 1: that can't happen. I've I've certainly been out there with

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Speaker 1: hundred I have not shot, but I've been there when

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01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 1: other people shot him. And but to be ruined by

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01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:26,640
Speaker 1: that expectation, I think that kind of stinks. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: anytime you can go sit in the woods and see

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Speaker 1: lots of deer and see some books, I think that's

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Speaker 1: a good day. Yeah, very true, very true. Well, p J,

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Speaker 1: I unfortunately have to wrap this up because of a

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01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 1: hard stop on my end tonight, unfortunately. But this has

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01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 1: been fun. It's been neat to get to hear the

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01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: Northeast perspective and um, I think there's a lot of

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01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 1: people who can relate to that then enjoy this too.

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01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 1: So if people want to yeah, yeah, if people want

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01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: to learn more about you know, what you're doing or

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01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: where you're writing, where can they go online or find

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01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 1: some stuff we Our website is Lancaster Archery dot com. Uh,

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01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:06,719
Speaker 1: and when you're on there, you'll see a little tab

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01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 1: on the right side that says articles and videos we do. UM,

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01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: we have no boundaries. Anything to do with archery you

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01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 1: may find on there. That's you know, we found the

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01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 1: simplest stuff to the most complicated. UM. We try to

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01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 1: provide it all. So UM, that's where you'll find the bulk. UM.

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01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:30,599
Speaker 1: We have a YouTube channel as well, Lancaster Archery. UM.

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Speaker 1: They can find videos there. So that's that's probably the

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Speaker 1: best place to find all that information. Awesome. Well, I'll

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Speaker 1: make sure to link to all that so if anyone

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01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 1: listening wants to see some those things. We will have

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Speaker 1: links on the blog as well. And PJ, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us today. Thanks for having me Mark,

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01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: I sure appreciate it. It's a lot of fun. Good

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01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 1: luck this upcoming season. Hey, thanks you too, And that's

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Speaker 1: going to do it for episode number one two. Before

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Speaker 1: we shut it completely down though really quickly, I want

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01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: to thank our current partners who have made this podcast possible.

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Speaker 1: So big things to sit gear YETI Coolers, Ozonics, Matthews Archery,

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Speaker 1: Maven Optics, White Tail Institute, North America, Carbon Express and

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Speaker 1: Hunt Terror Maps. And finally, big big thanks to you guys.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much. Thanks for listening. I hope

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Speaker 1: you've got some big sheds in your future, and I

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Speaker 1: hope you'll stay wired to Hunt