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Speaker 1: NBA Trade deadline week. You gotta love it. No dunks

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Speaker 1: here with the Athletic Network, back in the classic factory,

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Speaker 1: like we never left because we didn't know. I'm skeets.

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Speaker 1: We got tasks, we got lee and well, when a

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Speaker 1: trade happens, it's not Trey Kirby, it's the Southern lawyer.

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Speaker 2: We got all sales and trade.

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Speaker 1: The hood up.

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Speaker 2: I told you I wish I had a Southern hat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I.

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Speaker 3: Got is this hood right now?

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Speaker 2: And honestly, the hood on this is very short.

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Speaker 3: I was telling Laura last night, I had the sweatshirt on. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so cares. I was telling her, I think the I

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Speaker 1: There's a lot, and we got a JD pushing the

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Speaker 1: podcast though, to really sink our teeth into this Blazers

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Speaker 1: Pelicans deal. You know, the news broke while we were

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Speaker 1: But the trade the Blazer's Pelicans trade Portland have agreed

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Speaker 1: in theory, according to reports to Trade CJ McCollum, Larry

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Speaker 1: Pelicans in exchange for Josh Hart, Thomas Saturanski, Nikhil Alexander Walker,

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Speaker 5: The New Orleans Pelicans won this trade. They get a

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Speaker 5: Whoops, there's four extremely talented guys at the top Cordon

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Speaker 5: to John Hollinger. So listen, anything can happen with a

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Speaker 5: New Orleans was smart in protecting it. If it's five

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Speaker 5: So I don't I think for CJ. McCollum, I would

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Speaker 5: I don't think they gave up a ton because David

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Speaker 5: But to me, this this screams of a similar Magic situation.

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Speaker 1: Really well for the Pelicans.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but he's got a very weird contract right now

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Speaker 6: And again, if he can get more of that, then

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Speaker 1: Well, he's probably gonna get a chance here. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: He gets to be the new CJ. McCollum.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you said the whole contract was weird. You

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well, so according to sport track right here, yes, he's

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Speaker 6: but it becomes fully guaranteed on June twenty five of

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Speaker 4: But yeah, but I haven't seen that before that. I

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Speaker 5: But that's our man, David Griffin getting creative there in

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Speaker 4: Really?

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Speaker 5: It's a backcourt of probably c J and DeVante Graham

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Speaker 1: I don't think did Griff have to do this though,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, coping.

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Speaker 3: A little bit.

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Speaker 3: They haven't made it yet in Zion's career, and that

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Speaker 3: Pelicans are an interesting team to watch. People wrote them off,

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Speaker 1: I was one hundred percent guilty of raiding off the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought he's good at the Lakers too, like

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Speaker 6: He said, double digits in fifteen games of rebounds. So

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Speaker 6: But yeah, so it's it's good to just have a

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Speaker 3: You're not gonna believe this. The Blazers say they're keeping Nirking.

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Speaker 1: and like, okay, amazing if they could, but like a

433
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Speaker 1: level sort of down from those guys, especially sibonas I

434
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Speaker 1: think Nirk and what would it take will you'd probably

435
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Speaker 1: be giving up like one of your young prospects, like

436
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Speaker 1: in a Moody or something like that, or maybe even

437
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Speaker 1: a Wiseman. I'm just saying, yeah, I'm saying the Blazers

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Speaker 1: should do that if that offers.

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Speaker 5: I wonder the Warriors have a pecking order of their

440
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Speaker 5: young guys. Kuminga untouchable is Moody touchable in this instance?

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Speaker 5: I mean I think if he's like Wiseman, is more

442
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Speaker 5: untouchable to me, maybe untouchable yor touchable.

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Speaker 3: I would say that Wiseman is semi touchable. Yes, Moody

444
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Speaker 3: fully touchable, got untouchable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course it depends what player would be coming

447
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Speaker 1: back and sort of deal.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, picked though Moody last season, So that's if you

449
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Speaker 6: can get first round pick.

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Speaker 4: Who's that guy?

451
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Speaker 1: I think you do that the Blazer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 5: Do you fear the Blazers?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Blazers. I mean again, look what they've just

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Speaker 1: gotten return for Powell and McCollum, two of their better

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Speaker 1: players this season, especially if you take a little non

457
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Speaker 1: of the equation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Warriors.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's sort of like the Pelicans in a

460
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Speaker 5: way where the Pelicans had Josh Hart contributing. They've got

461
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Speaker 5: like fifteen guys on their roster contributing legitimately. Well, you know,

462
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Speaker 5: obviously Wiseman hasn't contributed, Moody hasn't, but they've got They're

463
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Speaker 5: just they have their rotation. Yeah, but they would love

464
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Speaker 5: a backup pick for sure, just as insurance. And yeah,

465
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Speaker 5: it would be paying a lot because of the luxury tax.

466
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Speaker 5: We want to get into the right numbers because NRK

467
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Speaker 5: makes some more than all those guys. But yeah, they've

468
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 5: they found something with Kuminga, so maybe they're willing, yeah,

469
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Speaker 5: to sacrifice one of these other younger guys. But uh yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'd say ner gotta goal.

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Speaker 3: Gotay.

472
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Speaker 1: So we were firesale fire, So we were grading this,

473
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Speaker 1: you know, anywhere from a B to even an as.

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Speaker 2: I'm a B plus okay, Okay, So I go to

475
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Speaker 2: that CJ.

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Speaker 3: McCollum still not an All Star. He's going to go

477
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Speaker 3: down in history as a great non All Star. It

478
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Speaker 3: definitely feels like but who knows, Well, No, I think

479
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Speaker 3: it's over. I actually think his chances that it are

480
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Speaker 3: over because now he's going to a team that's got

481
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Speaker 3: an All Star in brandon ingram Zion is going to

482
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Speaker 3: be higher on the the Marquee than c J. McCollums

483
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Speaker 3: as well. But he's a nice third guy, real nice

484
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Speaker 3: third game.

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Speaker 4: You never know.

486
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Speaker 3: He might have a big place for a column. He

487
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Speaker 3: should be a third guy and not a second guy.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say he might have the old Conley

489
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Speaker 1: All Star appearance still still in him, where he's on

490
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Speaker 1: a really good team and he's like the third Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent above with Conley.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you asked a good question right before we went live,

494
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Speaker 1: and I think you got it.

495
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Speaker 3: Don't say I think you gonna change everybody's mind on them? Okay,

496
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Speaker 3: And everybody likes this guy.

497
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Speaker 1: C J McCollum or Tobias Harris.

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Speaker 3: You ruined it, Broy ruined all those opinions that people have.

499
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Speaker 2: Who's better?

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Speaker 6: Well, listen, Nah, I mean they're very similar in the

501
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Speaker 6: in the the Goodies and go out there and get

502
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Speaker 6: you the twenty plus. I'm guessing J is younger in

503
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Speaker 6: this scenario?

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Speaker 3: Is he really? Is he in this scenario or in.

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Speaker 5: A full on thirty one?

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Speaker 4: Toby Wow?

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Speaker 6: Okay, I would have liked uh c J on the sixes.

508
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Speaker 6: I think if I could change them out I would

509
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Speaker 6: put c J on in trade Tobias out, so I

510
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Speaker 6: guess c J I would take.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: And any final grades I guess from the from the

514
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Speaker 1: Blazer side of things. If you're throwing a grade on it, Uh,

515
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Speaker 1: what letter grade you've given it?

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Speaker 5: I think I started this emergency podcast with a C

517
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Speaker 5: minus in my opinion, you've bumped it.

518
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Speaker 2: Up a little.

519
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Speaker 5: Tray kind of suayed me with the the what return

520
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Speaker 5: are you getting back for c J mccollm. We're just

521
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Speaker 5: talking about c J McCollum and looking at what Aaron

522
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Speaker 5: Gordon got back for the Magic. I went from my

523
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Speaker 5: Vooch expectations to Aaron Gordon expectations and this is more

524
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Speaker 5: in line with that, so a little higher.

525
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Speaker 2: I'm still disappointed. Here's a trill disappointment.

526
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Speaker 1: He should have traded McCollum a year or two prior

527
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Speaker 1: when his value is way higher.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

529
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Speaker 1: Yes.

530
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Speaker 3: The problem is that the Blazers went to that conference

531
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Speaker 3: finals and they thought we're a championship contender around Damian

532
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 3: Lillard and c J McCollum, and Neil old Shape pushed

533
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Speaker 3: his chips in on c J McCollum and gave him

534
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Speaker 3: a huge deal, and then was scrambling from then on

535
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Speaker 3: audit that was trading away Gary Trent Junior, who is

536
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Speaker 3: now cheaper, younger and better than Norm Powell, bringing in

537
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Speaker 3: Robert Covington for two first round draft picks, and bringing

538
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 3: Nurkice back all these different times. So now you're seeing

539
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Speaker 3: Joe Cronan literally go back in time and just Okay,

540
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 3: that was a bad move. Sober going to get back

541
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Speaker 3: what we can for it. Yeah, and they're not able

542
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 3: to get back what they put into it at this point.

543
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, they're kind of going back to twenty and

544
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Speaker 3: eighteen and trying to figure it out from there. But

545
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Speaker 3: it's twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying Cronin's got the Chiale of time?

547
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Speaker 4: I think he does.

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Speaker 1: He's smashed Chile of time and we saw how that

549
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Speaker 1: worked out. Oh, it worked out great. Plazers are going

550
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Speaker 1: to win the Turtle. Yes, you would know that you want?

551
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Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I'm just thinking more about the tap space.

552
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Speaker 6: Sounds great, but you know you could also find another

553
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Speaker 6: event Turner or a Carlos Boozer.

554
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Speaker 1: Of course, it's what you do with it. And you

555
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: said you're right, I mean, did you have a listen

556
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Speaker 1: for like it's zach Lavine.

557
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Speaker 6: It's like it's not yeah, I mean crazy of the

558
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 6: guys who aren't restricted, it's not very not very healthy

559
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 6: out there. There's a lot of guys who are restricted,

560
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Speaker 6: but like Myles Bridges, for example, I would say that

561
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Speaker 6: the hornets are in the box seat to re sign him.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's tough to cough. So sorry, Oh my god.

563
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Speaker 1: I was trying to hold that all but I thought,

564
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Speaker 1: you're getting all choked up about the hold.

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Speaker 7: Chances and it's an emergency pomcast oh man live streamings.

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Speaker 4: Great, I live for this.

567
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Speaker 1: Hey, this is all I had about right, Sorry, final thoughts,

568
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: final thought.

569
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well yeah, the whole neil Oshia thing very interesting.

570
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Speaker 5: They've they went through an investigation there in Portland. They

571
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Speaker 5: found a reason to let him go. But neil o'sha

572
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 5: was hanging on to his regime to all the players

573
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 5: he brought in. I think that's clear. And if he

574
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Speaker 5: was let go for whatever reason the year prior, things

575
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 5: may be different in Portland and it is unfortunately CJ

576
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Speaker 5: McCom probably what made the All Star team last year.

577
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Speaker 5: If he stayed helped and he was he was oh.

578
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Speaker 4: Yeah, been a problem.

579
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Speaker 6: He's been injured like he was this season last season, so.

580
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 5: It was averaging twenty six ppg before he got here.

581
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 5: His first thirteen games of the season, he was feeling

582
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 5: good and then things went awry unfortunately. But yeah, thinks

583
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 5: things have gone south pretty quick. Sometimes you hang on

584
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 5: a little too too much shit those windows, and that's

585
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 5: why if you hang on to Dame, I think you're

586
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 5: still hanging out. Just let it go.

587
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Speaker 1: Well, let's hear from everybody out there. Shout out to

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Speaker 1: the stream teamers for joining us live here for the

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Speaker 1: second time today. Appreciate that. Let us know in the

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Speaker 1: comments below, who won the trade, What do you think

591
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Speaker 1: of the Blazer's next moves, What do you think they

592
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: should do with Lillard? What all this means Pelican's chances

593
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Speaker 1: of making some noise here with this roster, especially if

594
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Speaker 1: Zion comes back. Hey, sound off in the comments. We

595
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Speaker 1: will maybe be back if another trade happens here in

596
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Speaker 1: the next couple hours. If not, join us tomorrow live

597
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Speaker 1: at ten am Eastern here in the Classic Factory live

598
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Speaker 1: on YouTube. Flip that into a podcast as soon as

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Speaker 1: possible to break down tonight's games and any of the

600
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Speaker 1: big stories and maybe some other trades of course that

601
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Speaker 1: do happen. It's gonna be a fun week, though hopefully.

602
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: I liked it. I like how these trades are coming.

603
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 4: Here to yeah in the morning, spray sprinkling out.

604
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: Like each day here a little bit. They're not like

605
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: blockbusters yet. I hope we have one big old blockbuster that.

606
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 5: Would be fun, right, Absolutely, give me a buster.

607
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 4: I want an unexpected buster though as well. Yeah, not

608
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 4: the Simmons hot one.

609
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: Oh you want something?

610
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 4: I want the crazy one out of left field?

611
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: All right, talking into existence? What's crazy? Player? Do you

612
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: want to see you get traded here?

613
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: Lebron?

614
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 5: Oh?

615
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ron to the cabs.

616
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: Okay, guys something. Yeah, we'll either be back here if

617
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: there's another emergency podcast or another trade calling for it.

618
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: If not, we'll see you tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 4: Take care,