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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: is Lance Meadow. I am John Schmelkin. The phone number

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Speaker 1: squeeze in your calls along the way with a busy show.

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Speaker 1: At twelve thirty Chicago Bears radio analyst Tom Fair will

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Speaker 1: join us. But off the top of the show, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about the newest member of the New York

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Speaker 1: Football Giants. That's Sam Bill. His defensive backs coach last

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Speaker 1: year was Corey Sanders, who's now the Pittsburgh Panthers safety's coach. Corey,

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Speaker 1: you got John schmalkin Lance Medal here in East Rutherford,

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Speaker 1: New Jersey at the Giants facility. How are you today?

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us. Hey, I'm doing good, John, Lance,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on a day doing great today. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's get right to It's Sam Bill and I guess

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Speaker 1: we'll start with broad strokes. What should Giant fans expect

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Speaker 1: when Sam gets on the field for the first day

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Speaker 1: of training camp in a little over a week once.

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Speaker 1: I think for for those guys to expect you, you're

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Speaker 1: going to get a physical competitor. Uh. Sam is a

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Speaker 1: very physical football player that just loves to compete no

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Speaker 1: matter you know, football workouts, whatever it is. You put

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Speaker 1: the kid in a competitive setting, he wants to win

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Speaker 1: and he's determined and gritty to win. I just look

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Speaker 1: at him as a true blue collar, hard working kid. Coach,

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Speaker 1: you came in right before his junior year. What were

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Speaker 1: your first impressions of Sam when you first saw him

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Speaker 1: versus when you left the program and he now has

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Speaker 1: left the program, How much strides and how much progress

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Speaker 1: he's made. I think I think Sam has matured so

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Speaker 1: much um over the time because that say, like Sam

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Speaker 1: is a true competitor. Um. So if something like if

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Speaker 1: you saw early on when things didn't go well, Sam,

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Speaker 1: Sam was so competitive and he never wanted to lose,

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Speaker 1: you know, he was just he was hard on himself,

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Speaker 1: um and he still is hard on himself. But but

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Speaker 1: as you were, as I was with him for that year,

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Speaker 1: really saw his maturity grow um from that standpoint of

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Speaker 1: not have one of how he came back and he

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Speaker 1: did um work through those issues and win those next

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Speaker 1: reps or when that next rap against the receiver against

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Speaker 1: So you really saw him work through uh adverse times

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Speaker 1: and continue to merge, mature, and grow through that um

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Speaker 1: in my twelve months of working with him. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: I think that's something he's gonna have to figure out

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Speaker 1: how to do when he shows up here with the Giants,

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Speaker 1: because now sam Is is kind of a tougher spot

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Speaker 1: than almost every other rookie in the league. They've at

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Speaker 1: least been in the practice facility, been on the field,

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Speaker 1: learning the defense, learning what it means to be a

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Speaker 1: having to pick up on everything the NFL has to

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Speaker 1: and ready to go, because even when you look at it,

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Speaker 1: it right now, his situation isn't normal from the step

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Speaker 1: from the standpoint of being in a supplemental draft. You know,

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Speaker 1: everybody else had three four months to prepare for all

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Speaker 1: to be ready for the draft. And you know Sam,

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Speaker 1: Giants their defensive coordinator James Betcher. He loves to move

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Speaker 1: Sam would always want to mess around and go to safety,

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Speaker 1: those are characteristics. I don't think the Giant's coaching staff

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Speaker 1: Western Michigan, UM Corey Sanders, now Pittsburgh safety's coach. Corey.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned his physicality the line of scrimmage, and lands

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Speaker 1: last couple of years, he played primarily press man and

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Speaker 1: Sam fit in. I know he did a lot of

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Speaker 1: Cover three not a lot of off. UM. Now, he

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Speaker 1: surprised that Giants didn't draft a cornerback on draft day,

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Speaker 1: Shaky Depp wise there they needed some help and the

431
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Speaker 1: hope is that Sambiel can can step in and help

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Speaker 1: out there. Well. And John as you just touched on

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Speaker 1: the value aspect, because you know a lot of people

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Speaker 1: always talk about draft picks are so impoured in you

435
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Speaker 1: don't want to sacrifice them. And a third round pick,

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Speaker 1: let's say in two thousand nineteen, if you wind up

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Speaker 1: getting first round value out of that, because he was

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Speaker 1: projected before he entered the supplemental draft, is a first

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Speaker 1: rounder potentially potentially, So you know, listen on the surface

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Speaker 1: right now, I would say value, I mean that could

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Speaker 1: potentially turn into a steel We gotta see what happens

442
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Speaker 1: obviously with him as a player. But you know, all

443
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Speaker 1: you could do now is just look at it the

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Speaker 1: value perspective, and I think that's how Dave Gentlman and

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Speaker 1: the Giants front office looked at it. Hey, if we

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Speaker 1: can use a third round pick in next year's draft

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Speaker 1: to get first round value on paper, right now, we

448
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Speaker 1: might as well roll the dice and take our And

449
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Speaker 1: that's the key. You're getting it now. In a year

450
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Speaker 1: the Giants needed help at the position. If the Giants

451
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Speaker 1: are sitting there and he was gonna be the fifth

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Speaker 1: or six cornerback and maybe inactive on game days, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe they don't make that move, maybe they don't

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Speaker 1: put in the third round bid for him, but that's fair.

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Speaker 1: But they correct and there's potential for him to play

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Speaker 1: this year, and on top of that, by just him

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Speaker 1: being around the team, John, your third round pick next year.

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Speaker 1: If you just drafted a player, that's gonna be now

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Speaker 1: baptism by fire, Whereas now you're gonna have somebody with

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Speaker 1: an entire year of experience. Though, the problem is that

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Speaker 1: in his first season he has much less time to

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Speaker 1: prepare because of the supplemental draft stuff because he's getting

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Speaker 1: here so late. So I think we're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: be patient with him or only because there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a lot thrown at him. Luckily, the way every team

466
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Speaker 1: works is, you know, you install everything once and then

467
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Speaker 1: you do it again, and now it's gonna be installed

468
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Speaker 1: again from scratching the summer, and now everyone else has

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Speaker 1: a leg up because they've seen it before. But maybe

470
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Speaker 1: that will help him along the way at least. But

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Speaker 1: we'll say, well, and the good news just listen, he's

472
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Speaker 1: been preparing all along for the supplemental draft and workout,

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Speaker 1: so now he's gonna make the quick transition from being

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Speaker 1: in pads to now going back to pads. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that's necessarily gonna be tough for him.

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Speaker 1: And you know, as you mentioned in terms of the

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Speaker 1: necessity for the Giants, the good news for the Giants

478
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Speaker 1: is they've got Jenkins, They've got Apple looking to bounce back,

479
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Speaker 1: and William Gay, who's a veteran guy who to me,

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Speaker 1: I'm penciling in in that slot position John Solely and Pencil,

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Speaker 1: though only a pencil. We've got to see what happens

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Speaker 1: in training camp. But on paper, I think they've got

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Speaker 1: three guys that they could put out their Week one

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Speaker 1: as their starting cornerbacks, and then Sam Beale and some

485
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Speaker 1: of these other guys could very well be icing on

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Speaker 1: the cake if they accelerate in terms of their production

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Speaker 1: and their development. Now, both Sanders and Lester and this

488
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Speaker 1: is the less thing we'll say about Sam before we

489
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Speaker 1: take our one call. Then we'll get the Tom Thair

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Speaker 1: covers the Bears at twelve thirty, is there, radio analyst.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they're gonna let him try to play

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Speaker 1: slide a bit, a little bit. His body type screams

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Speaker 1: outside corner to me, long arms, you scream outside. But

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Speaker 1: both Tim Lester and I think Corey Sanders is actually

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Speaker 1: a little bit more fierce about the opinion that his

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Speaker 1: side to side short area quick this would allow him

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Speaker 1: to play the slot if you want him to. So

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Speaker 1: we'll have to wait and see if the Giants want

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Speaker 1: to use him there. I would think, considering the limited

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Speaker 1: amount of time he has to get ready, they probably

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Speaker 1: don't want to try to make him learn two positions

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Speaker 1: at the same time, given how much ground he kind

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Speaker 1: of has to make up challenging it is to play

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Speaker 1: the slot. There's this run defense there, and he mentioned, look,

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Speaker 1: he has to wrap up better if you're not wrapping

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Speaker 1: up and tackling in the slot. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: run responsibilities there and blitz in the quarterback to how

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Speaker 1: much you see James Betcher during UH spring workouts. What's

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Speaker 1: the cornerback. So my guess is that maybe down the road, yes, slot,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't think they're gonna throw that at

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Speaker 1: him right away and put him right into that mix

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Speaker 1: of that competition. But maybe I'm wrong. No, I think

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Speaker 1: that's a fair point. But you know what, if he

514
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Speaker 1: turns out to be a guy that can be versatile

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Speaker 1: where you're moving inside and outside by year two or

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Speaker 1: year three, that's not necessarily the end of the world because,

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Speaker 1: as we mentioned, they have personnel right now on the roster.

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Speaker 1: To me, Gay and Apple can both play inside and

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Speaker 1: outside if needed. So I mean you have some options

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Speaker 1: there at Lee at the beginning stages of training camp,

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Speaker 1: the preseason, the regular season, to put guys on the

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Speaker 1: interior to a one N four or five one three

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Speaker 1: toms there in a few minutes. In the meanwhile, it's

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Speaker 1: David Crafford, New Jersey. He's up next, Dave. How are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great, guys, It's always great to talk to

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Speaker 1: you great analysis. I think you guys said everything on

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Speaker 1: the head with this. I think the interesting thing with

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Speaker 1: him is we've talked about it before, is just the

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Speaker 1: depth at the position, and um, you know, you're probably

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Speaker 1: right in that, you know, given the time, he's probably

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Speaker 1: gonna need, you know, a little bit more time just

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Speaker 1: to be able to you know, get on the field productively.

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Speaker 1: You kind of wonder given the you know, propensity for

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Speaker 1: the position, as you guys have both said in the past,

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Speaker 1: with injuries and things, you know, if that doesn't come

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Speaker 1: to to you know, be a benefit, say a week

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Speaker 1: four or five or six. You know, I'm not looking

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Speaker 1: for it, but but you know that's when he might

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Speaker 1: be able to step in, um and be actually ready,

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Speaker 1: and if there's someone a little banged up that that

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Speaker 1: could come into plaint David, Dave Dave real quick. Quite frankly.

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Speaker 1: One thing I think you get to be worried about

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Speaker 1: is that if if he was doing real combine level

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Speaker 1: training where guys are trained to perform in drills and

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Speaker 1: not perform on the football field. You talk a lot

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Speaker 1: of these guys coming out of college where they're like

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Speaker 1: it's different, and I hope he can transition from getting

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Speaker 1: ready for his pro day, which is only I think

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Speaker 1: a week and a half ago maybe to getting into

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Speaker 1: football mode to avoid the type of injuries you were

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Speaker 1: talking about for other players, but for him, I think

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Speaker 1: that's also very important. I wonder how quickly he's going

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Speaker 1: to be able to make that transition so he's ready

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Speaker 1: for camp and survives can't being healthy, which is important. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree. Hey, there's a great list. You guys always

556
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Speaker 1: strike me as you always like to talk about some lists. Um,

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Speaker 1: there's a new one that came out on NFL dot

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Speaker 1: com by Bucky Brooks. So I really liked um and

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Speaker 1: does a good job. Um just came out I think

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Speaker 1: this week. I don't know if you saw it, but

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Speaker 1: it was listing the top offensive and defensive play callers

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Speaker 1: in the NFL as a tandem, so your offensive and

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Speaker 1: defensive the two best per team. And he actually listed

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Speaker 1: the Giants's number five with Schermer and Betcher as the

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Speaker 1: fifth out of the whole league. Um, and you know

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Speaker 1: you would you would expect you know, Eagles and Rams

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Speaker 1: and you know a couple of Saints. Maybe I actually

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Speaker 1: get the other other five. But but it's a great

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Speaker 1: list to go through and it and he and he

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Speaker 1: listened there, and I just think it's something for you

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Speaker 1: guys to you know, which I think we have talked about.

572
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Speaker 1: But when you think about the season coming up, you

573
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Speaker 1: think about all the personnelity, you think about all the

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Speaker 1: changes and all that sort of stuff. I think one

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Speaker 1: of the biggest changes that Bucky's hitting on is you

576
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Speaker 1: know who's calling the offense and who's calling the defense,

577
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Speaker 1: and what their experiences. You know, it's and and there's

578
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Speaker 1: just something about that where you could be a great

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Speaker 1: offensive designer of plays. I mean, you go look at

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Speaker 1: Atlanta last year as an example, where they lose Shanahan

581
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Speaker 1: and it's still the same great offensive talent and they

582
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Speaker 1: had a you know, relatively speaking, they really felt back

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Speaker 1: on offense and really held themselves act um just because

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Speaker 1: of the play car And I think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: for the Giants to come into the season and to

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Speaker 1: be and to be looked at from an outside analyst

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Speaker 1: in that top five, I think is is one. I

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Speaker 1: think it's accurate and too, I think it bodes well

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Speaker 1: and should be a really big impact on the season. Hey, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Betcher as a play car

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Speaker 1: I think he's wonderful. Um, I think we have to

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Speaker 1: and Dave thanks left for the call. We appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: I think we have to see what Charmer. I mean, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was great as an offensive cordinair. He is limited

595
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Speaker 1: experience as head coach when he was at Cleveland, and

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Speaker 1: I think there is a difference. And I know you're

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Speaker 1: still calling plays and his calling plays right, but I

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Speaker 1: still thinking plays as a head coach is a little

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Speaker 1: bit different than calling plays as a coordinare I just

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Speaker 1: do so I want to see how he does. Uh,

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Speaker 1: It's just it's odd that you would see him. And look,

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Speaker 1: I'm not arguing. I think Shermer is a very good

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Speaker 1: offensive mind. We so we did with um Case Keenom

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Speaker 1: last year. I mean he did a great job with him.

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Speaker 1: Um and James Betcher has been phenomenal in Arizona the

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Speaker 1: last three years. But I think that speaks to how

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Speaker 1: much book He Brooks thinks of those guys as individuals

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Speaker 1: to have them in his top five of play callers

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Speaker 1: when I've even done it here with the Giants. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he's going, like you said, in production with

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals have been a consistent defense under betch Or.

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Speaker 1: And you look at what Shermer did with that Vikings

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Speaker 1: offense despite the fact that he had to use Sam

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Speaker 1: Bradford end case Keenom and loses Dalvid Cook. And you

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Speaker 1: know what, it's a perfect transition, John, because our next

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Speaker 1: guest covers a team who also is making a transition

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Speaker 1: with their play callers, because they have a new head

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Speaker 1: coach who is also an offensive coordinated with the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: And absolutely that's Tom Thayer. He is the radio analyst

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Speaker 1: for the Chicago Bears. Toim, you got John Schmelkin, Lance

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Speaker 1: Meadow here in East Rutherford, New Jersey at the Giants

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Speaker 1: practice facility. How are you today? I'm doing well. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me, guys. I appreciate it. And it's funny.

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Speaker 1: We had a call yesterday and the question they asked

625
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Speaker 1: us was, what do you think the easiest game on

626
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Speaker 1: the Giant schedule? As we had some fans hit us

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Speaker 1: up on Twitter. It's gotta be the Bears. It's gotta

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Speaker 1: be the Bears. It's gotta be the Bears. Tell me

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Speaker 1: why it's not the Bears. You know, it's it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a really fun experience to Watson seeing unfold here

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Speaker 1: for the next two or three years. But you know,

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Speaker 1: if they capitalize on all the weapons that they were

633
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Speaker 1: able to bring in here and there continue to develop

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Speaker 1: from their own roster, and Mitchell Trabinsky clicks at the

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Speaker 1: right time with Matt Maggie and then the hold over

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Speaker 1: a vic fang you on the defensive side of the football,

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Speaker 1: and they've been able to rebuild some positions their defensive

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Speaker 1: backfield most importantly and hopefully now a guy like Leonard Floyd,

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Speaker 1: a ro Quan Smith can step step up to the

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Speaker 1: plate and contribute to the continue to contribute to the defense.

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Speaker 1: So I do think when you look at the athleticism

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Speaker 1: of Trabinsky and his commitment to the facility, you look

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Speaker 1: at Tree Cohen and Jordan Howard and Taylor Gabriel and

644
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: Trey Burton Um, you know you you still have hopes

645
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: for Kevin White, and I think Adam Shaheen and Dion

646
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: Sims have a good chance to be helpful at the

647
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: tight end position and on the inside of the offense.

648
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: And so I think there's a lot of offensive firepower

649
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: firepower here if it if it all clicks well, as

650
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: you alluded to a lot of new personnel, Tom, that

651
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: the Bears offense is gonna be showcasing this season. And

652
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: to me, what's interesting is the receiving corps because last

653
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: year you didn't have a lot of household names. They

654
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: went out, They got Alan Robinson, he's coming off a

655
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: torn a c L. You know, they bring in Taylor

656
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: Gabriel who was a slot guy with the Falcons, and

657
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Kevin White, he's played three games or

658
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: five games, excuse me, in the last three years. You know,

659
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: let's start with Kevin White, Tom, what makes you think that,

660
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: A He's gonna stay durable, He's gonna stay on the field,

661
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: and he's gonna finally fill that void that they so

662
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: desperately need. You know, Kevin My hopes for him is

663
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: just the fact that he's dedicated so much of himself

664
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: to really being a football player, but had so many

665
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, injuries and limited this time. I just hope

666
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: for him just as an just as a player to

667
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: player that you know, kepting work out for Kevin White,

668
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: but you know you're gonna have to get reps in

669
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: the field, and when you see him at O t

670
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: S he shows all the signs of a high draft

671
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: choice at the wide receiver position. He's a big guy,

672
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: he runs his routes well, He's talented in the air

673
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: going after the ball. He can go across the middle

674
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 1: and make catches. But you still there's still, you know,

675
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: so many unknown things about him. I think the key

676
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: ingredient to the receiver position is gonna be Trey Burton

677
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: because what I've seen out of him throughout O T

678
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: A S he's the most impressive receiver wide receiver that

679
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: they have on this team. And because he's this you

680
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: tight end and he's kind of split away from the offense,

681
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: he's a he's a difficult matchup problem. So the more

682
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: he controls the defense and the defensive facts, I think

683
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: there's gonna be more opportunities for the other guys. And

684
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned Allan Robinson, but you know, don't have unreal

685
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: expectations from him from gay one because he is recovering

686
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: from a knee injury. Tom there Bears radio analysts. What's

687
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: Kevin White's health status now? Is he gonna hit the

688
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: ground running and training camp doing everything or are they

689
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: still holding them back a little bit? No way, man,

690
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: He's ready to go. You know, and he's gone on

691
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: social media and put these pictures of himself in Hawaii

692
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: and flexing in the background, kind of showing evidence. So

693
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, the results of hard work. But now and

694
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: now it's just gotta be about reps on the field

695
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: and if he is, if he is that guy in

696
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: the Bears click, that's another reason to worry about the

697
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: Bears down the road or in the season and throughout

698
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: their offensive development. I'll tell you what, Tom, I loved

699
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: the Bears draft class. And I know this is gonna

700
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: be not a not an not a position specific question,

701
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: but I thought James Daniels was the first round talent.

702
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: I thought Anthony Miller should have been in the same

703
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: conversation with d J. Moore and Calvin Ridley. I was

704
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: pounding the desk from here with the Giants. I think

705
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: he's wonderful. Roquan Smith, I think is gonna be a

706
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: Day one impact player. Combined that with what they did

707
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: last year at Shubitsky, the Bears are really trying to

708
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: You mentioned some of the handful of veterans they brought in,

709
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: but around the young group that I think it's a

710
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: nice little group of guys that could really form a

711
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: core of a pretty darn good team in a couple

712
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: of years. I agree, but you know, I still my

713
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: You know, it seems like before the season starts there's

714
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: always something I want to pay attention to to see

715
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: if it develops. And last year it was the defensive backs.

716
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: This year, if you pay attention of the Bears and

717
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: you think of the group of players within the nineties,

718
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: you think of Eddie Goldman, you think of Jonathan Bullard,

719
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: Leonard Floyd, There's another guy, Roy Robertson Harris. If that

720
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: was a group of the nineties, if they click, if

721
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: they played good football along the progress of our NFL career,

722
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: the Bears are gonna be good. If those group of

723
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: players within the nineties don't play well, it'll be hard

724
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: for the Bears to succeed well. Speaking of that position group,

725
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: when I think of Vic Fangio, Tom, I think of

726
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: the linebacker position when he was with the San Francisco

727
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: forty niners. That was really the meat at potatoes, the

728
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: identity of his San Francisco defense. And you know, I

729
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: mean all of those guys, all those playmakers, now that

730
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: you mentioned you know, Leonard Floyd, ro Kuan Smith was drafted.

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Speaker 1: In your opinion, do you feel he's at the point

732
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: Fangio that he actually now has the personnel at that

733
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: position where he can maybe get back to that Niner

734
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: style of defense. Well, you know, he's got two of

735
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: the four that you mentioned, but you know, now Danny

736
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: Trevathan Nick Kotkowski on the inside. They have to stay

737
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: healthy and and be able to contribute high, high level

738
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: inside linebacker football between the two of them in Roe,

739
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: Kwan's gotta be the guy that they drafted him to beat.

740
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: But the other guy on the outside of the um

741
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,959
Speaker 1: outside linebacker. You know, they brought in Aaron Lynch who

742
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: did play with VIC and San Francisco. He's got the

743
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: qualities and the looks of everything. You know, six sixty

744
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: pounds outside linebacker. If it clicks for him, he could

745
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: be a difference maker within this defense. And again, he's

746
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: another one of those ninet he's being number ninety nine

747
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: that has to contribute and come in and maybe ask

748
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: a career year out of him. We're joined by Tom

749
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: thay Or are you analysts to the Bears? Tom, I

750
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: haven't watched Mitch Drabinsky a lot. I watched him coming

751
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: out of college I did not watch a lot of

752
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: his games last year. I'll watch him as we get

753
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: closer to the Giants Bears game later on in the season.

754
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: What type of progress did you see from him from

755
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: the day he walked in the door to the last

756
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: day of minicamp of of his sophomore year. Where has

757
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: he made the most progress and where do you see

758
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: still want to see him take that next step? You know,

759
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: it's all about the knowledge of the offense and he's

760
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: have little learned two difficult terminology offenses within the first

761
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: two seasons he's had in the NFL, and you know,

762
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: and that's one thing he's really dedicated because if you

763
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: really don't know what you're saying, it's gonna be hard

764
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: to do what your talents are. And that's the thing

765
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: about Mitche's He's contributed to every level where he's between

766
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: Chase Daniel, who they signed to be his backup, and

767
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of help with Helfridge, the offensive coordinator.

768
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: All these people are determined to get Mitch up to speed,

769
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: and he's also a guy that's willing to invest everything

770
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: needed out of him. And um, I think the combination

771
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: between coach manage being a quarterback in the Arena League

772
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: and understanding the speed of the position and looking at

773
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: the talents of Mitch um I. I just think that

774
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: when you saw him the first day come here and

775
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: break a huddle, he was all new to him. Now

776
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: it seems like he's been around the huddle and been

777
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage like a veteran. So you know,

778
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: if it all clicks for him and they're gonna be

779
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: a good offense. Well, speaking of the offense time, you

780
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: just mentioned an offensive coordinator, Mark Helfridge, So he comes

781
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: from that Chip Kelly Oregon school of thought, and then

782
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: you have Matt Naggi from the Andy Reid chief school

783
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: of thought. What do you think this Bears offense is

784
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: going to look like now that it is his second

785
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: seas the system for Drubisky in two years, It's gonna

786
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: be unlike anything the Bears have ever seen throughout the

787
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: history of the offenses that we've been here. It's gonna

788
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: be um multiple multiple weapons at the line of scrimmage.

789
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: That's gonna get you at It's gonna get at you aggressively.

790
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: With NFL defense responsibilities, we don't when you try to

791
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: bring the Oregon offense in and you go too fast

792
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 1: and if you don't get first down, you're just gonna

793
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: wear out your defense. I think this is an offense

794
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: with a guy like Jordan Howard that has the ability

795
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: to pound you at the line of scrimmage, but they

796
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: also get a chance to break the huddle and throw

797
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 1: three or four weapons that you have on the line

798
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: of scrimmage that that's gonna be difficult to cover with

799
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: multiple people. So if Mitch can you know, occupy all

800
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: the people there and it's the the entire width of

801
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: the field, they will be a dangerous offense. In order

802
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: to be a dangerous offense is the Giants can at

803
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: test you from last year. You need an offensive line

804
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: to create space for Jordan Howard and make play action

805
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: believable and then protect the quarterback. Mitch Drabinski, what's the

806
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: status of the Bears offensive line here? And how much

807
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: confidence do you have in the unit heading into You know,

808
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of weird because you know, they got

809
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl injured in the wings and Kyle Long

810
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: and he could come in here, if he could play

811
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: sixteen games healthy, he could turn this offensive line and

812
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: have a more dominant interior of the offensive line because

813
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: he does have great strength and he's got the athleticism

814
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: and moved to his right and his left. Cody white

815
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: Hair has gotten a lot of experiences. First two years

816
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: he started every game. They went out there and they

817
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 1: drafted James Daniels, but they all brought They also brought

818
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: into Earl Warford is a really good football player and

819
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: shows throughout o t a that if they wanted to

820
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: tag him as one of the starting offensive guards at

821
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: the start of camp, I think he can accept that responsibility.

822
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: The offensive tackles are gonna be Charles Lenno Jr. A

823
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: left tackle on Bobby Massey at the right tackle, and

824
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: you know it's all gonna be. It's not all gonna be.

825
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: But Kyle Long has a lot to do with the

826
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: success of the offensive line because he is a powerful

827
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: guy on the inside. Well. In terms of the offensive line,

828
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: and John just alluded to this, the running game is

829
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: so key, especially for the Bears. And I know they're

830
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: getting a new offensive scheme Tom, but I mean, if

831
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: memory serves in correct, I think the Bears were dead

832
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: last in passing offense last year, so if anything, they

833
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: were leaning heavily on the run game last year to

834
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: give themselves some consistency. Jordan Howard, Trek Cohen. Do you

835
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: see any changes in terms of how they're going to

836
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: be utilized and how the carries are going to be

837
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: divvied up coming into this season under a new offense.

838
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: You know, I think to run an offense to be

839
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: aggressive at the lion of scrimmage, you have to have

840
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: a running back that there's some respect for. And that's

841
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: what Jordan Howard brings to the table. If you want that,

842
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: you know, four yards four yards plus a carry. Jordan's

843
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: can do that, and he can break big runs and

844
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: he can carry thirty times a game. But I think

845
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: the best is yet to come for him when he

846
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: gets introduced to an offensive like this. I think Jordan

847
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: Howard is going to be able to expose more of

848
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: his talent. But you also have a guy like Tree

849
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: Cone and Benny Cunningham and the mix who is a

850
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: creative guy also in the backfield, and I think it's

851
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see how they distribute reps in

852
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: the backfield, and I think Jordan Howard will still be

853
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: the emphasis back and um what, I think there's gonna

854
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: be a lot more decisions that are gonna be made

855
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: at the wide receiver and tight end position. But a

856
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: final question on the offensive me Tom Anthony Miller. I

857
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: know he was coming off that broken foot in Memphis.

858
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: How much did he even do in the spring. Was

859
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: he on the field at all Fremdatory mini camp? Are

860
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: you really gonna get your first taste of him? Uh?

861
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: When the players reported about a week, you know he

862
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: was out there. But all that nonpad stuff is you know,

863
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: it's not very it's not a very realistic introduction to football.

864
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: But I love what I see. How happy the mailer,

865
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: because I mean, here's a guy that the Bears fans

866
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: have been starved for to have a guy like when

867
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: you consider his commitment to the sport, being a walk

868
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: on and getting him to the level that he's been at,

869
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: the confidence that he walks around when I think that

870
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: he'll come in the first day of padded practice in

871
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: the NFL with that confidence and and hopefully he's gonna

872
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: be one of the big contributors that not any of

873
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: us know a lot about yet. We're previewing the Chicago

874
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: Bears Giants two thousand eighteen opponent with Tom Stayer Bears

875
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: radio analysts and Tom Speaking of players staying healthy, it's

876
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: interesting that the Bear secondary has a very familiar name

877
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: to Giants fans, and that is Prince and Mugamara, who

878
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: just came off his first season with Chicago played four

879
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: team games. When he played here with the Giants, staying

880
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: healthy was a major issue for him. I'm curious what

881
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: did you see out of Prince last year? I know

882
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: the team resigned him, and how much more upside do

883
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: you think he has even though he's an established vet.

884
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: You know, to me, a lot of the upside for

885
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: the defensive backs, either it's Prince and Mukamara or Kyle

886
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: Fuller who they went and resigned, it's gonna be out

887
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: how much pressure that the front can get on the

888
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: quarterback if they make prints or any of the defensive

889
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: backs sit there and cover for four plus second. Are

890
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: any three high plus seconds, It's gonna be difficult for him.

891
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: So Prince went out there and went out on the

892
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: limbit and he said he expects high interceptions this year.

893
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: So he's not only not put a target on him,

894
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: but when you go against Aaron Rodgers and you go

895
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: again Matthew Stafford and you're gonna go against you know,

896
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings a couple of times a year. Um,

897
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: it would be nice to go in there and be

898
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: humble and just let the work speak for itself. It's funny,

899
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: you know, Prince is never one to be very boastful here.

900
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: I'm surprised he of he of all people who and

901
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: he's really a nice he's a nice exchanges with Prince,

902
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: he's he's a super oh yeah, kinial guy. And I

903
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: I like, you know, him being a teammate here. Although

904
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: Prince is awesome and frankly, I think one of his

905
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: issues here is that he didn't really have that you know,

906
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: overwhelming outward confidence that I think you see from some

907
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: from from from some NFL players. He kind of has

908
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 1: a unique personality. So it's I think it's a good

909
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: thing to see him have that little more of an

910
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: outwork confidence because he's such a nice kid. He's from

911
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: a good family. Like you said, Um, I asked you this, Yeah,

912
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm sorry, Tom No. You know, there's a

913
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 1: little bit more of a contagious confidence going around right

914
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: now in the Sicilia. I know it's easy to do

915
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: when a new coach is coming in here and creating

916
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: the atmosphere, but there is a certain sense of belief

917
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: that these guys are what they're doing on the practice

918
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: field is being directed in the right effort to win

919
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: and winning soon. I will ask this question understanding that

920
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: you can't tell Jack, you know what about linebacker play

921
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: when there's no pads and there's no hitting, But did

922
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: you have any wow moments watching ro Kwan Smith just

923
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: run around basically a two linebacker that runs like a safety. Yeah,

924
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: you know what I was, you know, the reality of

925
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: ro Kwan kind of when Danny Trevathan got here and

926
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: I was watching him because Danny runs really well sidelined

927
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: to sideline, and then I kind of said, Wow, if

928
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: you had two of these guys running this well in

929
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: the interior there's defense, would be a whole different ballgame.

930
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, then you kind of put yourself Okay,

931
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: I practiced against Mike Singletary for nine years, you know

932
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: what's the difference between the two, and you kind of

933
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: start putting those types of thoughts in your head. Absolutely. Uh,

934
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: And I just as as an overarching question, Tom, when

935
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: you get a new head coach in the building, and

936
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: we've seen this with the Gihonts. This is now their

937
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: third different head coach in the in the last four seasons.

938
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: The whole mood changes, the way you go about your

939
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: business changes, everything is different. What kind of impact has

940
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: Matt Naggie had on that building on how they're operating

941
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: and just how the whole machine kind of comes together. Well,

942
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: you know a lot of the you know, the whole

943
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: bringing Matt Maggie and spearheaded by Ryan Pace, there's also

944
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: a young energy inside the building himself. And so then

945
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: you let Matt Maggie in front of the team and

946
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: you start listening to his message and how they're going

947
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: to accomp what's the ultimate task in every point of

948
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: it is believable, and he understands how explain it to

949
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: these level of players that you know, they're all meaningful points.

950
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: And then you take it out on the field and

951
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: you see his energy on the field, how he concentrates

952
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: in his energy to what position, the understanding on the

953
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball that he was willing to

954
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: bring Vic Fangio here. That really settled a portion of

955
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: that room and continue that part of it in a

956
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: in a positive direction. So everything he's done, um, you know,

957
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: it's it's been the right step and he said the

958
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: right thing, and everything is computed into a positive atmosphere,

959
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 1: and it's it's gonna be a positive momentum going into camp.

960
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: All right, Tom, great stuff. We appreciate the time. Enjoy

961
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: a one more week of freedom until everyone gets back

962
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: in here. Andy, We're all working seven days a week

963
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: for six months. It's fun, but it's a lot. Enjoy it.

964
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: We have you shape the time today and we'll see

965
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: you at the end of the year. Thanks a lot, Tom.

966
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: Thanks Tom there radio analysts for Chicago Bears does an

967
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: excellent job. Good information there from Tom. Absolutely, I mean,

968
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: this is an intriguing team. I think that's the best

969
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: way to describe them, John, and I think Tom even

970
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: touched on it. If you've got a lot of potentially

971
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: got a lot of youth, you have a new offensive scheme.

972
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: I know they're very excited about what Matt Naggy brings

973
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: to the table and and basically Tom emphasized that, and

974
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: I mean, if things click, you know, the Bears could

975
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: be maybe what Jacksonville and San Francisco became over the

976
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: last year or two. Meeting. They don't make the playoffs,

977
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: but they make enough of a push or a step

978
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: forward that you're thinking two years from now, maybe Chicago's

979
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 1: knocking on the door for a wild card spot. Yeah.

980
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: I mean I hesitate to say the Jaguars and Rams

981
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: only because they both took such a big jumps. They

982
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: went from being in the top five in the draft

983
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: to you know, winning their divisions. I don't think the

984
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: Bears are there yet, but I think wild card I

985
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: think could be within the conversation and within reach three

986
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: years from now. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not talking about this season, no,

987
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: not at all. The Rams in the Jaguars kind of

988
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: went from terrible to awesome in one year. I think

989
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: the Bears are gonna have a little bit of another

990
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: mini step in between Jacksonville and and I'll bring up

991
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: the numbers. I thought Jacksonville sort of had a little

992
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: baby step in between, because if I recall, I know

993
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: a lot of people were high on Jacksonville and then

994
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: they sort of disappointed, and then last year everything seemed

995
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: to click. So that's why I'm looking at that parallel

996
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: to Chicago, where you know, everybody's not necessarily high and

997
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: jumping on the Bears bandwagon, but there's potential there's upside there.

998
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: You know, maybe we see movement in the right direction

999
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: US draft. So it wasn't that much of it wasn't okay? Well,

1000
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm looking at it more in terms

1001
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: of just production, respectability, competitiveness and the Jacksonville Jaguars, you know,

1002
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they were the type of team you'd love

1003
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: to have them on your schedule, John, and then all

1004
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden the last two years, all of a sudden,

1005
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: somewhat of a challenge, and look, a lot of it's

1006
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: gonna be Mitch with Drabinski. How much of a jump

1007
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: can he take in a second years? Tom pointed out

1008
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: with it was a great point. He's changing offenses. You know,

1009
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: it's tough for a rookie to go to offenses in

1010
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: two years. How quickly couldn't make that adjustment. But at

1011
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, Matt Naggi is coming from

1012
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: Kansas City, where he worked for Andy Reid and who

1013
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: knows how to make it easy for quarterbacks and who

1014
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: knows how to run an offense that has had sustained

1015
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: success in the league like Andy Reid, And that's where

1016
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: Matt Naggi is coming from. So I'm happy. I didn't

1017
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: call him Charles Naggy, by the way, but some reason

1018
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: when I hear Naggy, I want to say Charles Naggy,

1019
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: Indians pitcher from the nineties. I didn't that. Was very

1020
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: proud of myself for not doing that. Thank you, um.

1021
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: But I think it's a good program to be coming

1022
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: from given the sustained success Andy Reid has had. Andy

1023
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: Reid has had in the league as a guy who

1024
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: runs an offense, well, I thought what you were going

1025
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: to touch on. Another good connection for Naggi is he

1026
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: was working with Patrick Mahomes and now he's working with

1027
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: another young quarterball. We'll see how well he worked with

1028
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. I know, but everyone's super excited. Day are

1029
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: I like to see it before, but I guess I'm

1030
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: just looking at it. You have experience with a young

1031
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: guy and grooming him. Speaking of real quickly side note

1032
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: before we get back to the lines about misinterpreting names

1033
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: and so farth hand and by the way, Bruce in

1034
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: California will get to you. The second had Bob McAdoo

1035
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: on my no no, no, bout my producer. When he

1036
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: picks up the phone, he says, oh, Ben, we really

1037
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: appreciate it on the progress. Oh, I was. I was

1038
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: cracking up. And the funny thing, especially when he first

1039
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: got here, people would call it that all the time,

1040
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: but there's a distinct difference between physically, physically in every

1041
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: way possible exactly talent wise, I'm talking about basketball skill. Yes,

1042
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: And Bob McAdoo also is a quite big large man.

1043
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: The last time I checked, Okay, he's it's just a

1044
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: little bit taller than Yes, just a tad Yes. I

1045
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: thought that was interesting considering your Charles Naggy anecdote anyway,

1046
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: that you had that last name and or any name,

1047
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: and then he was just want to connect it anonymous,

1048
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: especially if it's a unique name that you don't hear

1049
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: very often and it just goes Charles n and it's

1050
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: still one syllable things was anyway, all right, we got sentiments.

1051
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: We could take a couple of calls. Squeeze of folks

1052
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 1: in Brucing, California. Is up. He's with us on Big Look,

1053
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: Kick off Live, Bruce, what's going on? Hey, how you

1054
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: guys doing. We're gonna appreciate you and Lance John. It

1055
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: makes it, it makes it interesting in the off season,

1056
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: So appreciation, Thank you, for listen. I wanted to I

1057
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: wanted to tell you, ask you something and give you

1058
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: a thought on on your pro football focused guest of

1059
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. UM really enjoyed it. Uh.

1060
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: I think it's particularly for US Giants fans who sometimes

1061
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: don't get grounded in facts. It's really helpful to have

1062
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: kind of a statistical grounding to h to match some

1063
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: of our enthusiasms, so we can kind of put it

1064
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: into context, you know. Um. The only thing that that

1065
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: I found kind of a little interesting, and it's sort

1066
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: of maybe the question or doubt I have about the

1067
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: totality or the complete attention to statistics is, you know

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00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: a lot of times they're not putting any attention to intangibles,

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00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: to things that are in a related um. And so

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Speaker 1: the commitment he had to the negative interpretation of run

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00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: versus pass, I thought he overdid it a little bit,

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00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, like when he said that if if he

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Speaker 1: were a defensive coordinator, he would only defend pass and

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00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: not worry about run. And you know, I guess my

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00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: my thought about that is it it's sort of violates

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Speaker 1: some of the premises of a lot of uh, well,

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00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, offensive coordinators say, like our particularly our current

1078
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: coach says, you have to establish the run and he's

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Speaker 1: dedicated to that. And then defensive coordinators always say, you

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00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: have to stop the run before anything else. So it's

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00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: like the idea of making the pass. It kind of

1082
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: reminded me of a young guy who would want to

1083
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: put all of his money into super high tech and

1084
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: not any diversification. You know, you've got to have a

1085
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: mixture or you're gonna become predictable, which is the ultimate

1086
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: death knell, you know, in the NFL. And I just

1087
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: wanted to get your guys interpretation of of whether you

1088
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: thought his super negative um uh consideration of run and runners? Uh? What?

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Speaker 1: What your what your feelings were on that? Yeah? And

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00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: you know it's funny and I think he's projecting what

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00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: how an NFL defense would succeed if they just ran

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00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: out Nickel and dime every play and said, if you

1093
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: want to run, run, I don't care. And I think

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00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 1: until we see a team do it and see whether

1095
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: it works, we don't know if that statistical projection is

1096
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: going to be accurate or not. Um I in my opinion,

1097
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: and I think I think I asked him this question

1098
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: it was called weeks Goo. Now I think there is

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00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: a point of no return where and I think I

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00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: did ask him the question. There's a basis in the

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00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: NFL and a big part of what offense and defensive

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00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: coordinators doing. You're trying to create matchups. You're trying to

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00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: get your personnel package up against another personnel package that

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00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 1: gives you the advantage. All right, So if you're uh

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00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: the Giants, you want to get three wide receivers on

1106
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: the field when the other team has three linebackers on

1107
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: the field. But that's gonna get you a mismess that

1108
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: that can help you win. And in my opinion, the

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00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: running game and the threat of a good running game

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00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: specifically makes it easier for an offensive coordinator to put

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00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: defenses into bad matchups, whether it's you know, keeping them

1112
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: in base defense, motioning out Barkley or Ingraman and getting

1113
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: a one on one with a linebacker. If the other

1114
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: teams in nickel and i'me constantly, then you know what,

1115
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff is not gonna work because if

1116
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: they motion out, there's just gonna be another defensive back

1117
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: there and you don't have to mismatch you're looking for.

1118
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Speaker 1: So I tend to go more towards you, Bruce, and

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00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: I was, and I was trying to fight him a

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Speaker 1: little bit because he's run the numbers a lot. And

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00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: I've talk to the Pro Football Focus guys and we've

1122
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: had Steve Palozzolo and Sam Monster who's on the football

1123
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 1: side of things for them that watch all the tape,

1124
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: and they even said to me when we spoke to

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Speaker 1: him shortly after the draft. They go our analytics guys

1126
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: wille us, you should never run the ball, and they

1127
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: will tell us that, but we fight them on it

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Speaker 1: because we think there is um a fundamental advantage of

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Speaker 1: running a ball well that helps in ways the numbers

1130
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: can't calculate. That's the side of the equation that I

1131
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: fall on as well. I do believe, however, that when

1132
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: push comes to shove, having a good quarterback and a

1133
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: good passing game has a far bigger impact on your

1134
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: ability to win games than having a good running game.

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Speaker 1: I do think the passing game is much more important,

1136
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: But I do believe in order again to get those

1137
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: matchups you're looking for and to put your offense in

1138
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: a good position to succeed, I think having a running

1139
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: game that especially can strike fear into an opponent does

1140
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: have its uses that are that's that's very difficult to

1141
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: calculate from a numbers perspective. That's how I look at

1142
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: You certainly need the quarterback for an execution standpoint late

1143
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: game situations. But I think it's well documented Bruce that

1144
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: if you look at the teams that make the deepest

1145
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: postseason runs, it's the teams that have established run games. Yeah,

1146
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: but I think the analytics don't necessarily. But the argument

1147
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: against that is that they're they're tops of the league

1148
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: and running the football because they're winning games because of

1149
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: the passing game, and running the game, running the ball

1150
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: in the second half because they had to leave. The

1151
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: other intangible that I think it's very hard to pick

1152
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: up in statistics is you know what happens if you're

1153
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: controlling the clock significantly by having a running game. What

1154
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: does that do for your defense? You know? I mean

1155
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: you look at a lot of teams that that will

1156
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: pass and scroll up of the defense a lot of times,

1157
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: you know, it gets wiped out. I mean, and and

1158
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: if you can't run the ball and you can't control

1159
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: the clock, you put much more pressure on your defense.

1160
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: That we saw last year. That's true. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: I just think, uh, I just think it's sort of

1162
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: it's it's dangerous when you take conclusions from just analytic

1163
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: numbers that you're looking disaggregated and across the whole the

1164
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: whole football and you're not picking up some of the

1165
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: other things that really do matter a great deal. And

1166
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: you can kind of you can talk yourself into into

1167
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: into a crazy conclusion if all you do is looking

1168
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Speaker 1: at those numbers. The numbers have to be a tool

1169
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: in the toolbox that you use in conjunction with the

1170
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Speaker 1: other stuff. But I want to give you one other

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00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: side of the corn for a coin very quickly. And

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Speaker 1: I saw this with the Jaguars last year, and I

1173
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: started with Dallas last year and a couple of years ago.

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00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: I've seen those guys in the first half of a

1175
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: football game win the time of possession battle twenty two

1176
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 1: to eight, but because they fall on the red zone twice.

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Speaker 1: They absolutely dominated the first half of the game, but

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Speaker 1: they're only winning six nothing because they held the ball

1179
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: for two eight to ten minute possessions. God didn't get

1180
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: in the end zone. But there's still not even a

1181
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: touchdown ahead because a passing attack where you especially you

1182
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: make big or plays down the field, better chance of

1183
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: getting into the end zone than methodically getting four yards,

1184
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: five yards, six yards, you know whatever. Else, time time

1185
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: of possession is only effective in terms of you translating

1186
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 1: that to points. We say that because what you just explained,

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Speaker 1: John is there are teams that you could win the

1188
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: time of possession by seven or eight minutes. But if

1189
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't lead to points, at least the field goals.

1190
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: The other team can march down the field scored two

1191
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: quick touchdowns for example. You know what's a good example.

1192
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: What was it a few years ago is Dak Prescott's

1193
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: first game Giants Cowboys opened up in Dallas. Cowboys were

1194
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: dominating time of possession in the first half. They were

1195
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: pounding the ball with Elliott, they were wearing it down.

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00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: Eli hit Sterling Shepard right before the half, and the

1197
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Speaker 1: Giants went into the locker room with a lead, but

1198
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: they were behind even better. Tom Bruce, I'm I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: bring us back to the two thousand and seven playoffs.

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Speaker 1: If you remember the second round game when the Giants

1201
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: played the Cowboys. What a Marian barber of like a

1202
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: hundred and forty yards in the first half of that

1203
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: game and then checks for Steve Hards and all of

1204
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: a sudden, Marion Barber's hundred six years don't mean a

1205
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: hill of beans because it was only a three card game.

1206
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: And that's how things balance out, right. So you know,

1207
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: you can't just take the time of possession saying, oh, well,

1208
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: if we consistently win time and possession, we're gonna win

1209
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: football games. You clearly need the execution to pad and

1210
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: compliment the time of possession. But I will say this,

1211
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: I've seen seasons where Aaron Rodgers could do all of

1212
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: the dazzling plays and they've had no running game, and

1213
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: that's the reason why they didn't get to the Super Bowl.

1214
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: I think it's more with the defense in the running

1215
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but but but if you remember the year

1216
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: they won the Super Bowl, John, when they beat the Steelers,

1217
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: that running game was a huge part. James Starks against Philadelphia,

1218
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: they went into Philadelphia, he ran the ball like I've

1219
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: never seen a Green Bay Packers running back, even going

1220
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: back to him on green That's how good he was.

1221
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: And that's was such a big difference maker in terms

1222
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: of helping them win the Super Bowl. That okay, thank

1223
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Speaker 1: you very much appreciate it. Hey appreciate the call, good questions,

1224
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: good points, and I know you you're very busy. I

1225
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: want you to go back and listen to that show

1226
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: with Chary with a statistical stuff, because I think it

1227
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: does bring some interesting self examination on some of the

1228
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: traditional cliches that we throw out there with football that

1229
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: maybe aren't as accurate as we think they are, and

1230
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: I think it's a very interesting thing to look at.

1231
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: I would, I definitely will go back in listen to

1232
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Speaker 1: that should I just I think you'd be hard pressed, though, John,

1233
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: to speak to the majority of coaches in the NFL

1234
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: and agree with that statistical analysis that it's better to

1235
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: throw the ball much more it is to run the fall.

1236
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you talk to baseball managers in the

1237
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: eighties and you asked them, should you never bump the baseball?

1238
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: And they tell you we're crazy too, well, I get it.

1239
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: The game has evolved, but I'm saying, I'm just saying,

1240
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: from the eye test, which I also think is an

1241
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: important part of analyzing football, can't just be all numbers.

1242
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: I can't remember seeing a team win the Super Bowl

1243
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: where they absolutely had no running game or there was

1244
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: no semblance and running game, and it was just let's

1245
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: chuck the ball down the field. Because even that year

1246
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: with the goes one they had Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning

1247
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: was a shell of himself that year because of the

1248
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: neck and the back injuries. They ran the ball and

1249
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: they played defense. The defense, but but but the running

1250
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: game and the defense. The combination of those two is

1251
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: why the Broncos won the Super Bowl. That running game

1252
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: was key to Thank you for joining us. Tomorrow will

1253
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: be doing the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and we'll have um

1254
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: Sam Beale's head coach in Western Michigan, Tim Lester, joining

1255
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: us as well. Make sure you tune in. John Schmilk,

1256
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: glands Meadow will be back with you tomorrow. Thank you

1257
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Speaker 1: for being with us. Have a great day, have going