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Speaker 2: had breaking news to start the show. According to ESPN,
Speaker 2: Reggie Bush is getting his Heisman trophy back. First question
Speaker 2: I had was is he dropping his defamation lawsuit against
Speaker 2: the NCUBA, and more importantly, does USC get.
Speaker 3: Its national title back?
Speaker 2: But we got calls in to the nc DOUBLEA, Pete Carroll,
Speaker 2: Reggie Bush, Fritzie is working feverishly to advance the store.
Speaker 2: If we locate somebody willing to come on and talk
Speaker 2: about it, I would love to have the NCUBA come on,
Speaker 2: or at least a statement from them. Did they do
Speaker 2: this in conjunction with the Heisman Trust? I would be
Speaker 2: surprised if the Heisman Trust acted upon itself and acted
Speaker 2: on its own and said, you know what, on further review,
Speaker 2: we're giving Reggie his Heisman back. So also, Reggie joined
Speaker 2: us in January of this year, January sixteenth, and I
Speaker 2: did ask him, would you drop your defamation lawsuit? If
Speaker 2: you get your collegiate records restored, you get your heisman.
Speaker 2: As a settlement we'll have We'll bring back a portion
Speaker 2: of that interview coming out.
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Speaker 2: talk to Drake may here momentarily, we will talk to
Speaker 2: Matt Miller ESPN Draft Animal. Is there a chance New
Speaker 2: England is the team that's going to change the first
Speaker 2: round of the draft, and that is that that pick,
Speaker 2: that third overall is up for grabs because do you
Speaker 2: want to bring in Drake Mang who may not be
Speaker 2: ready to play right away? Do you want to build
Speaker 2: your team and then worry about your quarterback next year
Speaker 2: or the year after that. Every year we talk a
Speaker 2: lot of times, we talk about the quarterbacks who aren't
Speaker 2: available last year at this time, what were we talking about.
Speaker 2: Man if Caleb Williams was in this year's draft, Okay,
Speaker 2: now he's in this year's draft. And then we'll have
Speaker 2: some quarterbacks who are going to be available, and then
Speaker 2: you're going to have teams go, do we tank for
Speaker 2: this guy? You know, is this guy worth trading up for?
Speaker 2: Minnesota needs a quarterback, Denver needs a quarterback? The Raiders,
Speaker 2: Seattle might be, the Rams might be. You have more
Speaker 2: teams who need quarterbacks or at least are interested in quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: then you do have actual quarterbacks. I spoke to a
Speaker 2: source last night who had high praise for spend Sir Rattler.
Speaker 2: Remember when he was a thing, when he came out
Speaker 2: of high school, he was a thing, and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden he wasn't and then kind of had
Speaker 2: a reclamation season with South Carolina.
Speaker 3: But yeah, some positive.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's because it's you know, supply
Speaker 2: and demand. Hey, well he's considering the quarterbacks are available. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's in the mix there. I don't know if he's
Speaker 2: a franchise quarterback. But there was high praise for Spencer Rattler,
Speaker 2: Bo Nix, Michael Pennix Junior, the third somebody's going up,
Speaker 2: somebody gets squarely. It happens every year where you go.
Speaker 3: Man, I did not see that coming, but that's gonna happen. Yes, Pauline,
Speaker 3: you can.
Speaker 7: Never be hotter as a quarterback than when you're not available.
Speaker 7: Remember years ago, I could find stories Christian Hackenberg at
Speaker 7: Penn State when he's a freshman. If the draft for today,
Speaker 7: Josh Rose in a freshman at UCLA, if the draft
Speaker 7: for today, Yeah, if he went a year earlier, yeah, oh,
Speaker 7: but he stayed around Sam Donald, Sam Donald and Donald
Speaker 7: Kapla Williams. A year ago, there was not even a
Speaker 7: discussion whether he was the number one.
Speaker 4: Pick of the draft.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: It was the biggest lock of the past five years.
Speaker 2: And you still get these stories that come out. And
Speaker 2: a story came out where might have been a GM
Speaker 2: who said, hey, he reminds me of Prince, and I
Speaker 2: go the musician, Yeah, you know, like do you want
Speaker 2: that kind of player, that personality? I go, well, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Prince is one of the most talented musicians
Speaker 2: of old time. Like was he different? Yes, but is
Speaker 2: that a reason why if we're having a draft, would
Speaker 2: I draft Prince?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I would. I draft him pretty high, But I don't
Speaker 2: know where, Like we're really trying to reach with some
Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks and go. You know that guy, I
Speaker 2: mean he might be wearing dresses or you got his
Speaker 2: fingernail polished. Can you play when you get on the field, yes.
Speaker 7: Pa, No one Evers said Prince was too short to
Speaker 7: be a star rocker. No, A lot of people. Some
Speaker 7: people question it, but not the people who knew music.
Speaker 2: Well, you know at the music combine. I mean he
Speaker 2: tested pretty high. Yeah, that dude who crazy talent him?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Drake may set to join us. He's partnered with Low's,
Speaker 2: teaming up with them in the NFL. A local community
Speaker 2: project in Detroit surprised a local contractor with an invitation
Speaker 2: to go to the draft.
Speaker 3: By the way, Lowe's built the green.
Speaker 2: Room there and you're going to get to go and
Speaker 2: announce an NFL pick. So they surprised a local contractor
Speaker 2: there and Drake may set to join us on the program.
Speaker 2: Before we get started, give me your official height and
Speaker 2: weight bisial.
Speaker 4: Height and weight six four and a half two twenty
Speaker 4: five right now, probably close two thirty when I get
Speaker 4: closer to season, but twenty five right now?
Speaker 3: Best athlete in the family.
Speaker 6: Is I'm a mom?
Speaker 3: Your mom?
Speaker 4: Yeah, sir, Yeah, she was a great athlete in high school.
Speaker 4: She doesn't show as much now, but she grabs some
Speaker 4: clubs and uh, you know, played nine holes, she'll play eighteen.
Speaker 4: But she she grabs some clubs, she'll she'll still beat
Speaker 4: us us us us brothers. So it's it's pretty sad, but.
Speaker 2: About it with you and your brothers. Best athlete amongst
Speaker 2: the three?
Speaker 4: Yeah, myself. I think it's a pretty easy answer athletes,
Speaker 4: But I'll take myself all right.
Speaker 2: Uh, what's the best thing that's happened through this whole
Speaker 2: process so far?
Speaker 4: The best thing that's happened, you know, I think the
Speaker 4: chances to reflect on my college years and how far,
Speaker 4: how many different people, you know, kind of poured into
Speaker 4: my life and being a chance to reflect and see
Speaker 4: how many special people in my life and maybe this
Speaker 4: moment special and to be here on Thursday with all
Speaker 4: my my family and all my brothers coming into one
Speaker 4: place and all my friends and family to enjoy one
Speaker 4: moment kind of reflect on that and kind of you
Speaker 4: always dream of this and kind of coming to it
Speaker 4: and realizing that it's about to happen. It's pretty pretty cool.
Speaker 3: What team did you grow up liking?
Speaker 4: Oh, Panthers fan. He was Panthers fan. You know, we
Speaker 4: got season tickets and you know, when Cam Newton came
Speaker 4: and it was you know, it was the best thing ever.
Speaker 4: So we are big Panthers fans.
Speaker 3: Have you met Cam?
Speaker 6: I have?
Speaker 3: I have?
Speaker 4: He played I played him in seven on seven He
Speaker 4: coached seven on seven team and we played him, you know,
Speaker 4: growing up, and he had He has a good squad.
Speaker 3: He's a big guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's huge. Yeah. I'm about six six four and
Speaker 4: a six five and he's been like two inches tar
Speaker 4: than me, probably like thirty pounds on me. So he's
Speaker 4: a big dude.
Speaker 2: As far as other teams that you visit, give me
Speaker 2: something interesting that you've been.
Speaker 4: Asked instant I've been asked.
Speaker 3: Hmm.
Speaker 4: It's a good question. Probably the most interesting they've been
Speaker 4: asked is kind of why me. I think that's that's
Speaker 4: always the most interesting. You know, you always start with
Speaker 4: that and say, watch we draft you, And I think
Speaker 4: it's one of those questions that hey kind of puts
Speaker 4: you on the spot, but to kind of ready for it.
Speaker 4: So I'm just ready to be kind of be the
Speaker 4: guy and ready to kind of translate my game in
Speaker 4: the NFL. I'll fit in the NFL game a little more.
Speaker 4: And I'm excited for that.
Speaker 2: Okay, But when they say why you do, they want
Speaker 2: to know if you want to start? Like is that
Speaker 2: part of this too, that hey, I want to commit
Speaker 2: and start or yeah, you know that we we'd prefer
Speaker 2: somebody to come in and want to learn exactly.
Speaker 4: That's why it's tricky. You kind of have to play
Speaker 4: it both ways because obviously, you know, the competitor and me,
Speaker 4: you want to go in there and start right away
Speaker 4: and you know, be a be a be the gay,
Speaker 4: the you know, the game one guy and the day
Speaker 4: one starter. But the same time, that's not reality and
Speaker 4: get you ready forever. So I'm just kind of ready
Speaker 4: to compete that, you know, like I'm going to be
Speaker 4: the starter and you know, up to their decision, but
Speaker 4: I'm going to try to prove that I'm ready to
Speaker 4: be the starter. Other than that, you're ready, you know,
Speaker 4: to learn and and uh, you know, wait until you
Speaker 4: know I'm iron that job.
Speaker 3: What's it like to read the negative reviews.
Speaker 4: Yeah, try not to. I think that's the you know,
Speaker 4: the biggest fault of athletes in our space, especially how
Speaker 4: base social media is nowaday. You know, so many, so
Speaker 4: many fans out there that that don't like you, and
Speaker 4: there's even more that that're a fan of you. So
Speaker 4: try to enjoy the positives. And you know, unless it's
Speaker 4: my coach or well, my family members or somebody in
Speaker 4: an inner circle, you know, saying something negative about me
Speaker 4: or someone I need to change, and that's you know,
Speaker 4: it's a different, you know, different subject than you know,
Speaker 4: Joe smo works at Applebee's or something.
Speaker 2: But do do your brothers look for the negative stuff
Speaker 2: just to give you grief? To say, like, if you
Speaker 2: were my brother, I'd be trying to find some things
Speaker 2: to needle you a little bit.
Speaker 3: Would your brother stoop to that level?
Speaker 4: No, we got real personally they would. But I think
Speaker 4: my brothers have been three of my biggest supporters, So
Speaker 4: I think, uh kind of much to get to this
Speaker 4: stage in the NFL. There's so many people out there
Speaker 4: that that aren't fans of you and saying, you know,
Speaker 4: negative stuff. So I think if your brothers, you know,
Speaker 4: I think it's a certain point.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 4: Maybe in high school sports you get on for something,
Speaker 4: but kind of on this stage, I think it's a
Speaker 4: little bit past.
Speaker 3: That favorite quarterback when you were growing up.
Speaker 4: Favorite quarterback Cam Newton was my first one, being a
Speaker 4: big Panthers fan or Anon Rodgers. I was a big
Speaker 4: Annon Rodgers fan.
Speaker 3: Have you met Rogers?
Speaker 4: I'm not, Nope, but I have not.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go around the room. Has Drake met Michael Jordan? Todd,
Speaker 2: I'll start with you.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say no, Seaton. I got to know on
Speaker 3: that one, Marvin. Yes, Paulie Drake played basketball.
Speaker 7: He's been in his presence before Michael Jordan's presence.
Speaker 2: And his brother played on a national title. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: in North Carolina. I'm gonna say, yes, you've met Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4: I have met him.
Speaker 3: J all right, pretty mj oh, it's MJ. Okay.
Speaker 4: If you call him your goat, he's got to be MJ.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 4: You don't call Michael Jordan, you call him the goat, MJ.
Speaker 3: So what'd you talk about.
Speaker 4: I'm met him at the halftime with one of the
Speaker 4: basketball games. I'm not getting recruited. Coach Brown, you know,
Speaker 4: brought me down there and very sweet.
Speaker 2: That's nice. That's a part of your NIL package. You
Speaker 2: get to meet Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4: I was in high school. In high school before I
Speaker 4: even uh committed, so I was committed Alabama at the time,
Speaker 4: so getting to meet him, you know, getting to meet
Speaker 4: him was pretty sweet.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's that conversation like when you call Saban and
Speaker 2: you say, coach, I'm not coming to Alabama.
Speaker 4: Yeah? Tough. Yeah. I tried it for a while. You know,
Speaker 4: being with coach Saban, he's one of my favorite and
Speaker 4: recruiting process, so having to tell him that I'm gonna
Speaker 4: stay home was tough. But I think coach Savan understood
Speaker 4: and shoot, you know, maybe they would have worked out
Speaker 4: a little differently by the same time. You know, coach
Speaker 4: Saban he's you know, I think he's the goat of
Speaker 4: college football.
Speaker 3: So he did. Okay he did. Okay, you're not all right?
Speaker 3: Uh Draft night suit? You already got it picked up?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm simple, no swag, so I'm gonna keep it simple.
Speaker 2: Okay, is there a light blue Carol? Is there a
Speaker 2: Carolina blue in the suit?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, you want to, you know, find out.
Speaker 2: Okay, because you might do like a New York Giants
Speaker 2: blue or.
Speaker 4: That's that's a little too world closer to Duke. I
Speaker 4: can't wear blue at all.
Speaker 3: Or you could have like Patriot blue in there, yes,
Speaker 3: that Navy.
Speaker 4: So if i'd wear any blue would be Carolina.
Speaker 3: Do you know where you're going?
Speaker 4: I wish I did, and I wish it was that easy. Nothing.
Speaker 4: I'll know when I hear that phone ring.
Speaker 2: But do you I mean, do you have an idea?
Speaker 2: You know, have to tell me, but do you have
Speaker 2: an idea?
Speaker 3: I don't think I have an idea. Okay, all right?
Speaker 3: And do you like the cold?
Speaker 4: I don't mind it at all. Okay, you gotta play football.
Speaker 4: Football is cold, wetter sport nowadays.
Speaker 2: I just want to make sure. Do you plan on
Speaker 2: hugging the commissioner or you're going to give like just
Speaker 2: a firm hamshick.
Speaker 6: Mmm.
Speaker 4: I ain't thought about that one hugging him. Oh, I'm
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: It strikes me as a hugger. You did. Yeah?
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe uh maybe like a like a dap and
Speaker 4: a one arm around okay, you know a hug, a
Speaker 4: two arm hug. It doesn't seem like.
Speaker 2: But don't treat him like your mom when you come home.
Speaker 2: You know that when when I see the draft, guys
Speaker 2: do that and they pick him up and we don't
Speaker 2: need that.
Speaker 4: That'd be that'd be funny. We got I think pretty
Speaker 4: cool though. Some of the big d linemen are off
Speaker 4: the line, and I think that fits so all right.
Speaker 2: You want to be the next Peyton Manning when it
Speaker 2: comes to selling products. So here's your turn. You're you're
Speaker 2: joining us on behalf of Low's. Let me hear Drake
Speaker 2: may pitch Lows.
Speaker 4: Yeah, first off Lows. You know it's a snow kind
Speaker 4: of company. It was an easy fit for me. I
Speaker 4: was excited when this opportunity came kind of right Off
Speaker 4: the Bat was joining joined their home team as the
Speaker 4: newest member, and ra Off the Bat them helping in
Speaker 4: the community and got a community service event tomorrow. I'll
Speaker 4: be helping out at I'll just give him back the community.
Speaker 4: It means so much to me and kind of an
Speaker 4: easy fit. You know. I grew up you know Loaws
Speaker 4: right across the street in the neighborhood shopping center. And shoot,
Speaker 4: when we had our our we need our driveway extended,
Speaker 4: we went to Lows to get a half court hoop
Speaker 4: and uh you know, get ready to go. And we
Speaker 4: had our our backyard. We had a long part forty
Speaker 4: our backyard that we painted with Low's pain and we
Speaker 4: did it all. So H think, you know, one of
Speaker 4: the coolest things. I was here two weeks ago and
Speaker 4: we came in the Lows and I did a you know,
Speaker 4: kind of a pre draft, little draft shoot and it
Speaker 4: was awesome. We got we even surprised one of the
Speaker 4: local pros at Low's, you know, with the chance to
Speaker 4: go up on stage and announce a pick and just
Speaker 4: stuff like that just means so much to me. And uh,
Speaker 4: Low's is a great company and a partner of the NFL,
Speaker 4: and little things like that go a long way. And
Speaker 4: my family is you know, full surprises. We love surprising.
Speaker 3: So that fit right in uh is the green room
Speaker 3: built by Lows.
Speaker 4: It is you had loads did it all, you know,
Speaker 4: the draft stays did it all. So I got to
Speaker 4: walk by it and preview all, you know, two weeks
Speaker 4: ago and I get a little preview, And now walking
Speaker 4: across the Thursday will be we'll be special, even more
Speaker 4: special now that you know I got to see it
Speaker 4: before and partner to the lows and know that they
Speaker 4: all did the work.
Speaker 2: So well, good luck, good luck with the giants and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, we appreciate you.
Speaker 4: Wait, you started thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: You didn't you didn't react when I said good luck
Speaker 2: with the giants there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, shoot, you know, if you could throw an any team
Speaker 4: in there now, I'm.
Speaker 3: Ready to play forever Carolina. You're not going to be playing.
Speaker 4: For Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I wish. So now it's got
Speaker 4: to handle.
Speaker 2: Hey, good luck, congratulations, have fun Thursday night.
Speaker 4: Thanks, Dan, appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Uh, Drake may Hey, he wishes.
Speaker 2: And a lot of times you'll get I'm hearing Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't know you're who you're hearing from. That's always
Speaker 2: dangerous because you can you can circle a comment or
Speaker 2: a quote or opinion by saying, you know, I'm hearing
Speaker 2: from who. I've had neighbors who want to talk sports
Speaker 2: and they'll go, hey, you know what I'm hearing. I'll go,
Speaker 2: who are you hearing it from? First of all, Hey,
Speaker 2: the mailman Jimmy Lipper down the block and you're talking
Speaker 2: to him. You know I'm hearing Yeah, see.
Speaker 3: Is it that Cardinals pick of four? That's the real
Speaker 3: wild Card.
Speaker 2: I think the Patriots at three now they may say, look,
Speaker 2: we're set on our quarterback. We got our quarterback, and
Speaker 2: we're not going to be up here in a position again.
Speaker 5: They are classic trader outers though nothing yes, well Belichick was,
Speaker 5: Belichick was, yeh yeah, you know the Cardinals pick and
Speaker 5: then you got the Chargers, and it feels like those
Speaker 5: teams are you know, in business to move down?
Speaker 3: Question is what's it cost to move up. We'll take
Speaker 3: a break.
Speaker 2: We'll talk NFL Draft with Matt Miller get his final
Speaker 2: mock draft here. Also, we'll keep an eye on the
Speaker 2: Reggie Bush story. We did hear from a former Heisman
Speaker 2: Trophy winner who was at the reception, the ceremony this morning,
Speaker 2: so it's already happened that Reggie got his Heisman back.
Speaker 2: And we heard from a Heisman Trophy winner who said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was there, send us a picture and I go,
Speaker 2: I'll be damn, they've already done this breaking news. Yes,
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, I think there were like ten
Speaker 2: to fifteen Heisman Trophy winners who showed up for this.
Speaker 2: So we'll see if we can get more information for you.
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Speaker 2: Still a wild story this morning. Reggie Bush has already
Speaker 2: gotten his heisman back. Had a ceremony this morning. Saw
Speaker 2: a picture with him in the former Nebraska quarterback Eric Crouch,
Speaker 2: arm in arm and they're like, yeah, Reggie's back in
Speaker 2: the I don't know how early this was that they
Speaker 2: was everybody up early in Los Angeles to be able
Speaker 2: to do this. Were they in Florida. Looks like it's
Speaker 2: warm weather, but it's early, and Reggie got his heisman back.
Speaker 2: I just want to know NCAA involved in this. To
Speaker 2: what degree does it stop a defamation lawsuit? I will
Speaker 2: bring you back the question and Reggie's answer when he
Speaker 2: joined us in January when I asked him about that,
Speaker 2: would you drop the defamation lawsuit if you get all
Speaker 2: your records in the heisman back? So we'll have that
Speaker 2: for you coming up. Matt Miller is a busy guy.
Speaker 2: He's a draft analyst for the Mothership. He'll be part
Speaker 2: of the broadcast there on ESPN and ABC kind enough
Speaker 2: to join us. How close are the top quarterback let's
Speaker 2: say the top four quarterbacks?
Speaker 8: Yeah? Pretty close. I think for me, Cal Williams is
Speaker 8: far and away the best, and I think he's in
Speaker 8: a tier by himself. Jayden Daniels says separated himself over
Speaker 8: the last year, certainly, but definitely over the past few months,
Speaker 8: I think as well. And then you have Drape May,
Speaker 8: who some people like a lot. JJ McCarthy again, who
Speaker 8: some people really really like. But I do think that
Speaker 8: they are much closer now than they were four months ago.
Speaker 8: You know, like the last time we saw these guys
Speaker 8: play football, they were not very closely raped. What happens
Speaker 8: over the course of the process is guys interview.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 8: JJ McCarthy's pro day was one of the best pro
Speaker 8: days that a quarterback has had in a couple processes,
Speaker 8: and in the interview process also teams fall in love
Speaker 8: with these guys and that over inflates their stock a
Speaker 8: little bit. I think that's what we're seeing. If for
Speaker 8: these quarterbacks go in the top six tomorrow night, and
Speaker 8: I think they will, then we're looking at another draft
Speaker 8: in which teams have fallen in love. Because we're in
Speaker 8: this model of you go up and get your guy
Speaker 8: or you wait for the next year. The second round
Speaker 8: quarterback kind of dead, like the developmental quarterback is dead.
Speaker 8: You either get a top ten pick or you sometimes
Speaker 8: you get lucky with the bron party.
Speaker 3: Where's the draft start?
Speaker 8: I think it starts at three. Caleb Williams is gonna
Speaker 8: go first. That is the worst kept secret in the
Speaker 8: world right now. I feel very strongly Jayden Daniels goes
Speaker 8: number two, but I think there is room. I don't
Speaker 8: know if they're top golfing in Detroit today that maybe
Speaker 8: we can figure out exactly who's gonna go number two.
Speaker 8: But I feel good about Jayden Daniels going to I
Speaker 8: think they've smoothed over their differences. Three is where it
Speaker 8: starts because New England could certainly stick and pick. They
Speaker 8: could take Drake may They could run it back with
Speaker 8: another Michigan quarterback. Jim Harbaugh says, Jim McCarthy's the greatest
Speaker 8: Michigan quarterback of all time. If you believe that, then
Speaker 8: you have to take him over Tom Brady. But I
Speaker 8: think three is where it starts because they could take
Speaker 8: one of those guys. They could do the kind of
Speaker 8: crazy thing and take Marvin Harrison Junior, who is for
Speaker 8: a lot of people the best player in this draft.
Speaker 8: Or they could trade back, and I think all those
Speaker 8: scenarios are certainly on the table. The hard thing with
Speaker 8: New England is we don't know who's really running the
Speaker 8: show there. Is it Jonathan Kraft is it? John Mayo?
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 8: Elliott Wolf? Is kind of a consortium of people who
Speaker 8: are calling the shots there, so it makes it difficult
Speaker 8: to try to even know who to call, and also
Speaker 8: to predict based on you know, maybe what they've done historically.
Speaker 2: I don't know if somebody's asked Jim Harball of this,
Speaker 2: but I would say, Jim, you love JJ McCarthy, you
Speaker 2: really love him, Well, why don't you trade Justin Herbert?
Speaker 2: And then you'll get JJ McCarthy on his rookie deal?
Speaker 2: And wouldn't that be better suited for building this team?
Speaker 2: How do you think he would answer that question?
Speaker 8: I don't think he would. I think we would get
Speaker 8: I'm sure you remember San Francisco forty nine ers era
Speaker 8: Jim Harball was a lot different than Michigan era Jim Harball.
Speaker 8: You would get the most sarcastic answer after he stared
Speaker 8: and blinked at you for several seconds, making you feel
Speaker 8: like you're the dumbest person on earth. He's really calmed
Speaker 8: down in his old age. So I don't think you
Speaker 8: would answer. But that is a fair question. Hey, if
Speaker 8: McCarthy's this good, why not trade Herbert? And I'm sure
Speaker 8: his answer would be, you know, some type of pr
Speaker 8: spin of he's the best in this draft, but Justin
Speaker 8: would be, you know, the number one guy if he
Speaker 8: were in it. But I know they're you know, early
Speaker 8: on those those conspiracy theories definitely existed.
Speaker 2: We're talking to Matt Miller, ESPN Draft expert. Give me
Speaker 2: the team that could really like turn this sideways, and
Speaker 2: maybe that's New England, but I don't. Is there another
Speaker 2: team where you go, wow, that could really shake up
Speaker 2: the first round?
Speaker 8: New England definitely is the one.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 8: The other right now is if the Minnesota Vikings don't
Speaker 8: trade up to get the quarterback. You know, six weeks
Speaker 8: ago they acquired the Houston Texas first round pick that's
Speaker 8: number twenty three overall, so they're sitting here right now
Speaker 8: picks eleven and twenty three. No team has ever acquired
Speaker 8: a first round pick six weeks before the draft. It
Speaker 8: just doesn't happen unless it's in the top three and
Speaker 8: you know you're getting a quarterback. So they really signaled
Speaker 8: at that point we're open for business. We have two
Speaker 8: first round picks. We want to go get a quarterback.
Speaker 8: If they don't do that, it would be I think,
Speaker 8: very surprising, very risky. If you you know, you're Minnesota
Speaker 8: and you have the same grade on JJ McCarthy and
Speaker 8: Bo Nicks, maybe you sit there at eleven, say hey,
Speaker 8: JJ doesn't make it to us. Cool. You know, we'll
Speaker 8: take a corner or a defensive tackle and then at
Speaker 8: twenty three we'll draft Bownicks. It's risky, but you could.
Speaker 8: You could certainly do that, and I think we've we
Speaker 8: saw this last year with Houston and Arizona being super aggressive,
Speaker 8: but also they played the board really well to get
Speaker 8: into the ideal positions to take their guys. And I'm
Speaker 8: very curious to see if we see copycats tomorrow night
Speaker 8: of teams that think, hey, we'll trade back a couple
Speaker 8: spots and then if we need to, we'll just move
Speaker 8: back up. It's risky, but it makes it a lot
Speaker 8: of fun if it works.
Speaker 2: And it feels like once again we have a plethora
Speaker 2: of wide receivers, like top end wide receivers, but there
Speaker 2: are a lot of draft experts scouts who don't want
Speaker 2: to take a wide receiver in the top five or
Speaker 2: even top ten. Where do you stand on that?
Speaker 8: I think if it's an elite prospects like Marvin Harrison Junior,
Speaker 8: then you do it. I would put the leak neighbors
Speaker 8: and roll with Doings up there as well. They would
Speaker 8: all three would have been the number one receiver last year,
Speaker 8: no matter how you had it ranked, they would have
Speaker 8: been drafted highly last year as well. I think guys
Speaker 8: like Zay Flowers and Jackson Smith and Jig but Jordan
Speaker 8: Addison would be probably drafted in the late teams to
Speaker 8: early twenties this year like they were last year. But
Speaker 8: you know their draft stock would say about the same.
Speaker 8: So I get the argument of, hey, this is a
Speaker 8: position you can find value late. First look at Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 8: You can find value in the second round. You have
Speaker 8: aj Brown and Deebo Samuel and Rashid Rice. Last year,
Speaker 8: I had a huge year for the Chiefs. This is
Speaker 8: a second round pick, so you could certainly find that
Speaker 8: value in round two. I think when it's a transcendent player,
Speaker 8: you know, like Jamar Chase was. When you can get
Speaker 8: a player like that, it's worthy of the top ten pick.
Speaker 8: But you certainly hear that, you know, of top ten
Speaker 8: should be a quarterback, a tackle or a pass rusher.
Speaker 8: You know that's that's really it. Now this year we're
Speaker 8: going to see a lot of that. We're going to
Speaker 8: see a lot of those guys early. But the expense
Speaker 8: of wide receivers. Justin Jefferson's going to get like thirty
Speaker 8: million dollars a year has made it to where if
Speaker 8: you can hit on one even in the top ten,
Speaker 8: it's still a really good value.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm wondering about this with Justin Jefferson. You let
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins go. You got Jefferson there, he's going to
Speaker 2: charge you. You know you're gonna it's gonna cost you
Speaker 2: thirty million dollars. You're going to bring in a rookie
Speaker 2: quarterback or maybe you have Sam Darnold there, are you
Speaker 2: really threatening this year? What could you get for Justin
Speaker 2: Jefferson that once again allows you to reset everything. If
Speaker 2: you're going to draft a quarterback, now I got to reset.
Speaker 2: You got Addison there, you got a running back there,
Speaker 2: got an offensive minded head coach. But what do you
Speaker 2: do say, Look, we have the best receiver in football.
Speaker 2: We're going to keep him and help out our rookie
Speaker 2: quarterback at thirty milliye.
Speaker 8: That's the I think that's what they're going to do,
Speaker 8: because your fan base would revolt if you traded a
Speaker 8: twenty five year old best receiver in football. But that's
Speaker 8: you know, in your hypothetical here, if you called the
Speaker 8: Arizona Cardinals and said Hey, instead of taking a chance
Speaker 8: on the best receiver in the draft, we would trade
Speaker 8: you the best receiver in football. It's going to cost
Speaker 8: you four overall. The Cardinals have twenty seven overall, so
Speaker 8: you're probably gonna want that, and I would want more
Speaker 8: than that, though, I would want more than the two.
Speaker 8: First for Justin Jefferson, even understanding that you're gonna have
Speaker 8: to turn around and pay him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't want to pay him thirty million.
Speaker 2: I would rather take one of these other receivers that
Speaker 2: it just I mean, we're looking at Dallas right now, Matt.
Speaker 2: I mean they got to pay Dak because Jerry handled
Speaker 2: this poorly. Cede Lamb should be locked up.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: He's going to cost you even more. Micah Parson's going
Speaker 2: to cost you thirty million c D. Lamb probably twenty
Speaker 2: five or so, and then Dak's going to cost you
Speaker 2: fifty five to sixty million dollars a year.
Speaker 3: You can't wait with that.
Speaker 8: You can't. Dallas is a poor blueprint for what anyone does.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's terrible. Three you could argue the three
Speaker 8: most important positions of football, and they have guys entering
Speaker 8: the contract here at the same time. It's it's not
Speaker 8: a good plan. I think Philadelphia is the model of
Speaker 8: you draft good players and you pay them early, you know,
Speaker 8: and there's a risk. We've seen that blow up, you know,
Speaker 8: with Daniel Jones and Carson Wentz and some of the
Speaker 8: some of the quarterbacks. I would argue they weren't good players,
Speaker 8: they were just they were just paid because of you know,
Speaker 8: sentimental value. But I think that's the idea is draft,
Speaker 8: you know, draft Devon to Smith that when you realize
Speaker 8: he's a hit, you pay him after that third year
Speaker 8: because the salary cap is only going to continue to,
Speaker 8: you know, go up at astronomical value, and guys are
Speaker 8: gonna just want a bigger piece of that pie. So
Speaker 8: I'm with you, don't do not look at Dallas if
Speaker 8: you're an aspiring general manager, don't look at what Dallas
Speaker 8: has done. Or you know the New Orleans Saints teams
Speaker 8: like that that every year they're trying to scramble to
Speaker 8: figure things out because they've mismanaged either their salary cap
Speaker 8: or the way that they do their contracts.
Speaker 3: What do you think Buffalo does.
Speaker 8: I think Buffalo would love to move heaven and Earth
Speaker 8: to get Roma Doonze and I actually I completely agree
Speaker 8: with this strategy. If you're Buffalo and you've gotten so
Speaker 8: close to to taking over the AFC, but you can't
Speaker 8: beat Mahomes and the Chiefs, you just can't do it
Speaker 8: when it matters. So you've gotten that close, why not
Speaker 8: go all in to try to do it? And I
Speaker 8: don't know that a you know, pick at twenty eight
Speaker 8: overall is going to be the difference for them. I
Speaker 8: think now's the time you know that you're going to
Speaker 8: be picking late in the first round every year because
Speaker 8: you have Josh Allen and you have a good coaching
Speaker 8: staff that it's always going to put a good defense
Speaker 8: out there. How valuable is next year's pick number twenty
Speaker 8: eight or twenty nine overall if you could take this
Speaker 8: year's first, next year's first and get Aroma Dune, say
Speaker 8: in the top ten, potentially, I think Buffalo is one
Speaker 8: of the few teams really where you can make that
Speaker 8: argument of you're close. You have the quarterback, you have
Speaker 8: the infrastructure. What you need is like you were saying, Dan,
Speaker 8: you need that rookie wide receiver. You need that guy
Speaker 8: making five million dollars a year who could be one
Speaker 8: of the top players at his position, So why not
Speaker 8: go for broke? What do you have to lose? If
Speaker 8: you're Buffalo, You've gotten you know, you've had leads. You
Speaker 8: were up with thirteen seconds left in arrowhead like you're there,
Speaker 8: So why not make that big play, the splash move,
Speaker 8: you know, the Julio Jones type trade to go get
Speaker 8: a roma dune.
Speaker 3: Say give me your wild prediction for tomorrow.
Speaker 8: That would be one the buffalo. Just I had a
Speaker 8: scout text me this, The Buffalo is going big game
Speaker 8: hunting when it comes to the wide receiver. So that
Speaker 8: was something that I toyed with in my final mock draft.
Speaker 8: I still think Michael Pennocks Junior is one of those things.
Speaker 8: And I know you know a lot more people than
Speaker 8: I do, but it's the one thing that I can't
Speaker 8: stop hearing is that Michael Pinnox is going to go
Speaker 8: in the top twenty. He's going to go a lot
Speaker 8: earlier than people think. So I don't know if I'm
Speaker 8: being told that, So that I'll hop on the Dan
Speaker 8: Patrick Show and say it and teams will oh panic
Speaker 8: and freak out that, oh my gosh, Michael Penock Junior
Speaker 8: is going earlier. But a lot of folks are saying
Speaker 8: that to the point that it's hard to tune it out.
Speaker 2: I heard the same thing, you know. One of my sources,
Speaker 2: whose a scout, said he just consumes football like we
Speaker 2: love it. The injury doesn't the injuries don't scare us.
Speaker 2: We loved what we saw, and I go, okay, because
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure this out, like who's really telling
Speaker 2: you the truth and right? But I don't know if
Speaker 2: anybody reacts to this. Matt if if all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: Sean Payton's going, wait, what did Dan say? Now We're
Speaker 2: going to have to go up and get in We
Speaker 2: got to spend I don't know if anybody, if you,
Speaker 2: are reacting to what we're saying. I got real concerns,
Speaker 2: you know, for those gms and coaches, But I.
Speaker 8: Know they you know, I'm not trying to brag about
Speaker 8: this like they read the mock drafts because I get
Speaker 8: the called, you know, like, hey, who do you have
Speaker 8: us taking? I was at Michigan's prota and a GM
Speaker 8: came up to me, and actually I felt bad. I
Speaker 8: didn't recognize him because I was kind of in the bulment.
Speaker 8: He's like, hey, who do you have us taking and
Speaker 8: I was like, oh, oh yeah, okay, I have you
Speaker 8: taken this player? And it was like okay. And so
Speaker 8: maybe he just wanted to start a conversation that way.
Speaker 8: But I do think that they I do know that
Speaker 8: they read the mock drafts and they listen to the
Speaker 8: intel because maybe, you know, maybe mel Kiper hasn't dug it.
Speaker 8: That will actually help you. You know, know that you
Speaker 8: have to jump someone.
Speaker 3: To get your player good to talk to. You know,
Speaker 3: you're busy, have fun tomorrow and night. Thank you man,
Speaker 3: I appreciate you.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 2: That's Matt Miller, ESPN NFL Draft Analyst, part of ESPN's coverage.
Speaker 2: Something's happening, something has to happen tomorrow night. I just
Speaker 2: feel that way. Wow, oh we just got this. Am
Speaker 2: I allowed to read this?
Speaker 3: Tod Sure?
Speaker 6: Why not?
Speaker 3: Okay, you know what, I'll take a break.
Speaker 2: This is from a former Heisman Trophy winner who was
Speaker 2: at the ceremony this morning for Reggie Bush, and I'll
Speaker 2: bring back part of the interview I did with Reggie
Speaker 2: when I ask him, would you drop the defamation lawsuit
Speaker 2: against the NCAA if they said, here's your Heisman and
Speaker 2: your records back.
Speaker 3: We'll have that for you coming up.
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Speaker 2: Just got this from Eric Crouch, former Heisman Trophy winner
Speaker 2: quarterback at Nebraska. The Heisman winners didn't know about this
Speaker 2: happening today. It was a surprise to us. The location
Speaker 2: was Ponta verdre verdre Beach, Florida. Or is it Pontra
Speaker 2: Vidra Vidra. Yeah, Ponta Vidra. I think that's the home
Speaker 2: of the PGA, the Heisman Summit. I believe Reggie is
Speaker 2: on his way back home now. It was exciting to
Speaker 2: see him to get his trophy back today. Eric Crouch
Speaker 2: and so Eric in a picture there with Reggie Bush.
Speaker 2: So I guess they invited Reggie. Reggie knew he was
Speaker 2: going to get the Heisman. Those showing up probably went, wait,
Speaker 2: what's Reggie doing here? Or maybe you bring him in
Speaker 2: a big surprise. He comes in. You know, he's got
Speaker 2: the Heisman with him. Guys are sitting down having breakfast,
Speaker 2: probably signing some autographs there, maybe playing some golf. Reggie
Speaker 2: comes in he's got his suit on, bring the heisman in,
Speaker 2: have all the heisman winners there. Because this wasn't one
Speaker 2: of those Hey I'm hearing that this might happen. It was,
Speaker 2: this happened, and now we're going to report on it.
Speaker 2: That's what happened with the ESPN. It happened.
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, it's like Reggie's getting
Speaker 3: his heisman back.
Speaker 9: Yes, what if Reggie was invited to the summit and
Speaker 9: he's like, no, I'm not going to be around or
Speaker 9: I'm not interest are not available, but they want to
Speaker 9: do this big surprise, and then they got to ruin
Speaker 9: the surprise on the phone. Is the only way to
Speaker 9: make sure he Oh.
Speaker 2: I don't think he was surprised when he got there.
Speaker 2: I think Reggie went there knowing he was getting his
Speaker 2: heisman back. I don't think he was like, hun, going
Speaker 2: to Florida. They want me to go to the Heisman Summit. Well,
Speaker 2: why they won't give you your heisman back?
Speaker 3: That's food and drinks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds like fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm going to guess they say to REGI, Hey,
Speaker 2: we're going to surprise the heisman winners, and uh, we're
Speaker 2: happy to give your heisman back. I'm guessing that's what happened.
Speaker 2: Eric in Pennsylvania. Good morning, Eric, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 6: Hi? Six one two five. I just wanted to kind
Speaker 6: of throw a scenario that old guy like me get
Speaker 6: off my line, kind of guy, what's right? The rules
Speaker 6: in place? They want their penny bang buscus. I got
Speaker 6: to get out of here before they with Reggie and
Speaker 6: all the players, nothing roles. In two thousand and four,
Speaker 6: here's a kind of a similar thing to see, see
Speaker 6: what you guys think. In two thousand and four, the
Speaker 6: speed limit of my road was fifty five. I was
Speaker 6: caught going seventy, so I was fined. He got points
Speaker 6: twenty twenty four. The speed limits seventy on my road.
Speaker 6: Do I get my points back? Do I get my
Speaker 6: money back? I mean, it's just to me again, old
Speaker 6: guy here just saying, why don't they just let it go?
Speaker 6: I'm glad he's getting it, a guess, But when the
Speaker 6: rules change and they weren't that way when you got it,
Speaker 6: I mean, how do you I'll all of a sudden
Speaker 6: say forget about it.
Speaker 3: So now I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Eric, he broke a rule and it cost USC dearly
Speaker 2: cost him the Heisman trophy. Does the USC get the
Speaker 2: national title back? I mean, those are the things that
Speaker 2: I want to know. You want to give Reggie a trophy?
Speaker 2: Go ahead, we all know what we saw. He was
Speaker 2: the best player in college football. But USC lost it title,
Speaker 2: They lost whatever fourteen wins Pete Carroll and then the
Speaker 2: sanctions that were imposed on USC. I mean it decimated
Speaker 2: the program, all right. So Reggie was on the show
Speaker 2: back in mid January, and I asked him if he
Speaker 2: would be willing to Now there's a defamation lawsuit going
Speaker 2: on with the NC DOUBLEA. Now that doesn't have anything
Speaker 2: to do with the heisman, but are the two combining
Speaker 2: their efforts here to stave off a defamation lawsuit by
Speaker 2: Reggie Bush? So I asked him, would he be willing
Speaker 2: to drop his defamation lawsuit with the mc DOUBA in
Speaker 2: return he gets his records and his heisman back.
Speaker 4: It's too late, it's too we passed.
Speaker 11: We way past that.
Speaker 2: We pass the But if they restore your records, then
Speaker 2: you get the heisman.
Speaker 11: They're gonna have to do that anyway, that's gonna happen anyway.
Speaker 11: All that's gonna happen anyway, because again, I don't know
Speaker 11: if you heard what I said.
Speaker 8: A lie is a lie, right, and so if it's
Speaker 8: a lie, then it's going to be exposed.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 11: We'll find out in his lawsuit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 11: We'll find out who's really telling the truth. And that's
Speaker 11: what's the most amazing part about it is.
Speaker 12: We've never young, We've never been able to do this
Speaker 12: for so long, I've never been I haven't been able
Speaker 12: to do this, which is you know, father's lawsuit against
Speaker 12: the NCAA until they made that statement, you know.
Speaker 11: And so that's again, that's that's what you guys are
Speaker 11: seeing now for the first time, you're seeing my story,
Speaker 11: my case being tried in an official way, you know,
Speaker 11: in the court of law, which is something that the
Speaker 11: end of the way, has.
Speaker 4: Never had to do.
Speaker 8: They never had to prove their case in the court
Speaker 8: of law.
Speaker 2: So that was January sixteenth of this past year. And
Speaker 2: he sounded pretty confident there, right, Marvin working together, Yeah, Pauline.
Speaker 7: I think the Heisman when they decided to do this,
Speaker 7: alerted the NCAA and then said they didn't want any
Speaker 7: part of it because the nca usually fights to the
Speaker 7: death against things like this.
Speaker 2: But if they can fend off a defamation lawsuit, would
Speaker 2: you be willing to swallow your pride and go okay?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 7: Knowing the NCAA, I think they would fight it for years.
Speaker 2: But just a new new regime, you know, Charlie Baker,
Speaker 2: that's fair. So maybe you just have somebody who has
Speaker 2: a different mindset, maybe a little more open minded to
Speaker 2: this and willing to go okay.
Speaker 7: But the can of worms they may have opened. I mean,
Speaker 7: if I'm Michigan Basketball.
Speaker 3: If I'm fab five, I'm like, hey, we'd liked our
Speaker 3: banners back.
Speaker 5: Lawyer up, Yes, this might be too harsh, But what
Speaker 5: pride does the NCAAA currently have left?
Speaker 3: Like, I'm not joking.
Speaker 5: They have conferences openly revolting saying we're just going to
Speaker 5: form our own thing in the next couple of years.
Speaker 5: That I mean they they are completely silent in all
Speaker 5: matters other than their name being at the top of
Speaker 5: the March Madness Tournament.
Speaker 2: NCAA strip usc of fourteen wins the games that Reggie
Speaker 2: played in, including the national title game against Oklahoma. Reggie
Speaker 2: filed the defamation lawsuit against the NC double A in
Speaker 2: August of this past year. Yeah, it feels like there's
Speaker 2: a little bit more to this, but all quiet on
Speaker 2: the western frontier.
Speaker 7: Yes, Lincoln Riley said he's going to get a national
Speaker 7: title for USC football. It's under his watch. He's the coach. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he can somehow get him a national title. They'll overlook
Speaker 7: that it's from oh four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets celebrate have a parade, right, yeah they do.
Speaker 2: Heck yeah, all right, more phone calls coming up. Final
Speaker 2: hour and once again we got phone calls out to
Speaker 2: a lot of people. I've heard from one source who
Speaker 2: does believe that this is kind of a combo platter
Speaker 2: with the heisman in the NC DOUBLEA to try to
Speaker 2: stave off the defamation lawsuit. But that's what I I
Speaker 2: would want to know with Reggie, because he sounded pretty
Speaker 2: confident that no, it's too late. He said, well, now
Speaker 2: that you have the heisman, is it too late? Can
Speaker 2: you just say, Okay, we got what we wanted. You
Speaker 2: admitted you made a mistake, and I get to have
Speaker 2: my heisman.
Speaker 3: Yes, Tom, And he.
Speaker 9: Said they got to give it back to me anyway.
Speaker 9: He's really he would double down with you. In that interview,
Speaker 9: saying this is going to go forward, regardless of giving
Speaker 9: me it back or not.
Speaker 2: All right, update our poll results have a new poll
Speaker 2: question for the final hour the day before the day
Speaker 2: of the draft. Todd's here, Satan, Marvin, Paulie, yours truly
Speaker 2: in the back room, guys, Final hour this Wednesday, just ahead,