WEBVTT - Pluribus | Episode 5: "Got Milk" 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:04.480 Warning. Today's episode contained spoilers for the fifth episode of Plurals, 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:24.440 Got Milk on Apple TV Plus. Hello Manny In, Jason 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:28.880 Steps and I'm Rosie Night and welcome back to xt 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:32.159 revision of the podcast weedow Deep into your favorite shows, movies, 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:34.479 comics and pop culture. Coming you from My Heart Podcast. 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:38.320 We're we're bringing you three episodes a week, bust news. 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:42.479 In today's episode, it is Pluribus one oh five Got Milk. 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.199 We're gonna be digging into it with a recap. 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.680 We're gonna be asking some big questions heading into the 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:48.519 rest of the season. 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.800 And before we jump in, guys, a quick production note. 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.760 The holiday season is here, so we will be sharing 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.639 some short to stocking stuff for episodes with you. 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.080 They will include gift guides. They will include. 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:06.520 Extra thoughts on holiday things and TV and movies that 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.600 maybe we would not be able to cover with everything 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.960 coming out in the next few months. So we had 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.080 our first few episodes last week and keep an eye 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.040 out for more throughout December. 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:23.800 But first, let's seven Plurals. Wow. Great episode. We open 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:28.520 in the hospital where Carol is hanging out waiting to 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:35.280 see how thoshit is. After Usha's interrogation induced heart attack. 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.640 Carol is, you know, just kind of waiting, squeezing her 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:42.760 stress stuck. We see a man drinking a carton of milk, 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.360 one of the little school cartons. Then the phone rings. 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:50.480 Carol picks it up at the front desk. It is Lakshmi, 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:55.840 and Lakshmi's pissed. She's like, you made my son cry? 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:01.560 What the fuck are you doing? And she's like, never 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:05.000 did it again, goodbye, hangs up. She's very angry. At 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.239 this point, you start to notice that all the Hive 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.720 Mind people seem kind of mad at Carol, like they're 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:15.520 very unhappy with her. They're giving her a there's definitely 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:22.200 a vibe. Yes, Harol like grabs one of the Hive 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.320 Mind people and like, don't let me call me again. 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:28.160 The guy's like whatever, Like definitely is like okay, But 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:33.520 then maybe there's an attitude one of them. When Carol asks, says, 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:36.960 so she's gonna be fine, but like in a really 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:41.679 annoyed right way. And then Carol lays down for a nap. 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.799 This is not the Hive Mind to her, only there 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:46.880 to please Carol anymore us. 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:52.280 And then we see like them just streaming. 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:53.840 Away from the hospital appears as if they are like 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.600 fleeing Carol, maybe fleeing the potential of a nightmare. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.440 I was wondering, like, if she's angry and high dream 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:02.520 would that do something? I don't know. 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.480 I'm very interested in that they board like coaches basically 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.160 to leave and time passes. 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:11.600 And I'm sure in the script it. 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.680 Said beat Carol wakes alone, and she does, and where 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:16.280 is Zosha? 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:18.399 That's the biggest question. I think. 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:22.520 I'm really scared at this point by the scope of 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.799 how quickly they can arrange and organize stuff, whether it's 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:29.240 rebuilding a sprouts or emptying a hospital. Carol tries to 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.200 make a call, but she is no longer priority number one, 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:36.160 and they do not pick up. There's only a message saying, 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.000 tell us what you need, Carol, We'll do our best 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.480 to provide it. The hide mine needs a little space 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.880 from her, and she climbs to a rooftop and sees 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:49.040 the entire population fleeing and says, good riddance. What a 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:51.680 way to wake up. Imagine pissing off the entire world? 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:56.640 What a way. She goes home and she begins drafting 0:03:56.680 --> 0:04:01.680 a script. Uh she and it gets made up for her, 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.480 you know, with her video camera setup that's still in 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.160 the living room. She puts a new and stick card 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:10.600 in the camera and then she, reading off her notes, 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:17.159 goes straight to camera and addressing her twelve other fellow survivors, 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:21.960 basically pitching like this greater mission to cure humanity. He 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:25.440 lays out how she knows everything that she knows about 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.840 about the Hive Mind people they can't lie that they 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.640 want to please them, but that there is a cure, 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:36.120 and that they basically confirmed to her by process of 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:42.520 elimination that there is a cure, and that it was 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:46.320 in pursuing this information that she and accidentally got everybody 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:48.120 to burst out into tears all around the world, and 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.680 she's like, sorry about that. He then calls the Hive Mind, 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.960 leaving a message and says, hey, I want this videotape 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:59.200 distributed with captions for those who don't speak English to 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.200 all the others. And she leaves it in a little 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.280 like padded envelope outside her house and a drone comes 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:07.679 because they don't want to approach her. A drone comes 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:09.839 in and carries it away. I will say that my 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.160 initial reaction to this video is this is not going 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:12.520 to get it. 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:17.320 I was gonna say, Jason, likelihood of my manifestos winning bad, 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.760 it's not. She's not winning anyone over, Like this is 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:22.760 not a well made manifesto. 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:26.080 This is just Pete's stand at Carol, and I think 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:28.520 this is very This is part of the tension of 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.080 this show. That's so interesting is you know, like, nominally 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.320 I'm on Carol's side, but the fact that she is. 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.520 She's going about it in almost the same way that 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.280 the Hive's mind do their exactly I like and ask 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:48.320 for consent. They just they just assimilated everyone. Harold here 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:54.000 she makes a very kind of like bare gesture chords 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:55.599 like now, I know some of you might not agree 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:57.919 with me, but then she usually rolls over that and 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.920 is like, we must together to do this. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.719 She's like, oh, now I care about curing the earth. 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.000 It's like, do you like you didn't seem to be. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.560 That bothered about any of this before, Like she's not, 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.279 she's not selling it, but she's doing her best good 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.880 for Caro. And she tries to sleep but she can't, 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.039 which understandable because the whole world hates you. 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.159 It's like my regular night terror. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:24.320 She sees a coyote hop the fence and eat her garbage. 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:26.800 Makes sense, It's Albuquerque. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.640 So she sees a wolf and it begins to eat 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.719 her garbage, and she's like, go away, trashes the garden 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:34.680 as if you've ever had a raccoon or a coyote 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.640 or a wolf in your house, they are want to do. 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.120 She calls the Hive mine and she's like, hey, put 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:43.840 on these lights. The wolves are getting brave, like they 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.720 put them on. But the next day, Carol's like, I'm 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.919 gonna clean my yard, goes outside getting her little racon 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:52.400 and she calls the Hive mine and she's like, I 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.119 need my trash to be picked up now. I gotta 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.839 say I'm kind of liking the Hive Mind's response to 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:01.480 this because Carol, I don't feel like you're relying too 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:03.920 much on them for you're just calling them all the time. 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:05.600 They do this for me, do that for me, but 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.080 like you could do it yourself. And that's basically what 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:09.160 they say, which I love. 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.400 They're basically like, hey, here's a recording on how you 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.400 bag your own trash, Like great job. 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.600 Yeah, So the drones, so the drones can take each 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:20.400 individual bag away. 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:22.280 And this is very interesting. 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:24.800 Now we're starting to get some clues, and I feel 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.040 like this was very clear from the opening of this 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.240 episode that the milk would be a foreshadowing thing. And 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:34.000 she starts to notice in every trash cans just tons 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.520 of milk. So I'm like, hopefully they can be beaten 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:40.120 by lactose intolerance. That's kind of my dream outcome here. 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.840 She goes to the dairy where the milk comes from, 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:49.680 the kind of like the bottling plant Duke's dairy, and 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.160 it does not seem to be operational at the moment, 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.040 and whatever they're producing there, it does not appear to 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:58.320 be milk. She finds like a storeroom where crows have 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:02.080 torn into a bag of like powdery stuff. She drags 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.760 the bag home and gets like some pH balanced stuff 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:09.080 in different very basic like chemical reagents to kind of 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.720 test what this stuff is. She never records a new 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:16.160 video update for the survivors. She's like, Hey, the hive 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:20.480 mind drink this weird liquid that's water mixed with this 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:24.800 white powder that I found. They all eat it. It's 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:29.240 like oily to the touch, like olive oil, but like 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:33.320 maybe a little thinner. It's probably the stuff. I'm thinking 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:37.240 that the hive mind. It's it's probably similar to what 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.160 that we saw the Hive mind making the lab in 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:39.920 episode one. 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:41.320 I think it's going to be. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.520 It's very interesting to me because we're already getting to 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:49.160 that kind of soilent green at esque like what's in 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:49.760 the bag? 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.760 Is that how they keep control of them? 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.640 Like I love this, I love this wrinkle, But again, Carol, 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:58.679 nobody cares. 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:02.120 Not like common persuading, not good at persuading. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:03.800 You've got to be coming at this with a hey, 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:07.200 here's another clue, Like I'm gonna keep recording these just 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.400 for you know, society, so they know what happened or something. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:16.240 I mean. I also think that Perrol, her only interest 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.360 in the other survivors is like, help me with. 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:19.439 This, exactly. 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:23.360 She doesn't actually care about them, or their family or their. 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:28.160 Kids, anybody. You're not gonna get anybody to buy in 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:32.440 like that. You know, you're just not so even though 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.840 your message is one that I think everybody on some 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.280 level would agree with, You're just not gonna convince everybody 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:44.080 if you're if you only want them for their ability 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.920 to help you, and don't do the shit otherwise exactly, 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:48.640 which is true. 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.880 Also, I think a strong theme for the show is 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:55.280 probably where it's going, Like, hey, imagine if you were 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:56.839 an active part of your society. 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.920 So she's very frustrated, you know, with the fact that 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.400 the Thrivers don't seem to care. I think maybe realizing 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.400 this message is not like quite up to snuff. She 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.679 deletes it and records another one and then sends that. 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.840 One off and that's the drone comes And this is 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.880 where this is where you're really getting some like this 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:22.280 ending sequence is so Vince Gilligan at his best and 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:27.400 craziest and bleakest, because Carol's drinking again, and honestly, in 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:28.800 that way, I don't blame her. 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.120 It's a tough time. She's loving through the end of 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:31.520 the world. 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.600 But the wolves are back, and this time they don't 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:40.000 want her trash. They want her ex girlfriend and agent 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.200 slash publisher Helen. 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.000 They are digging her up to eat her. 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:50.439 There is a chase into the house and eventually end 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:54.880 with Carol basically having to drive a cop car through 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.480 them to scare them away through her backyard. Wakes up 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.000 in the car, decides that the only option is to 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:08.040 go and build a grave site kind of concrete over 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:14.319 poor very soap opera style over Helen's grave, and then 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:19.000 she ends up also making her a headstone and decides 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.680 she's going to get drunk. But I feel like again, Carol, 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.800 learn a lesson here. She knocks over the powder stuff 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.280 and notices a barcode. If you had just looked at 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.480 it closer before, wouldn't have had to get here. But 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.800 you know what, babe, do your best. 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.160 So she takes the bag with the barcode to the 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.239 local sprouts to scan it, but it doesn't come up incredible, 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:43.040 but she eventually locates that the bag comes from a 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:49.200 company called Agrijet, and she goes to Agrijet, which it's 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:54.200 like this big storage facility with a huge freezers and 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:59.480 huge refrigerated containers and inside there's like a lot of 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:03.680 produce for the sprouts. And then something she uncovers, something 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.880 like under a blanket and whatever it is, it absolutely 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:12.160 shocks her, leaving us with like a cliffhanger that I 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.080 almost I almost couldn't stand it. 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:19.600 I know, I like kick, I'm kicking, I'm kicking the TV. 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.200 I know, I'm like, tell me what's not get in there. 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.319 Let's take a quick break and come back and we'll 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:28.080 discuss all of this. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:40.560 Yeah, and we're back. 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.440 Okay. I really liked this episode, and I really like 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:46.920 the you know, I mean, I think that there is 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:52.000 something about the way we process maybe like politics too, 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:53.480 in this because there's a. 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.680 Lot of people I think so too. 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:01.160 There's a lot of figures, let's say, like out there 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:05.640 whose politics maybe I agree with, you know, but just 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.320 the way they carry themselves, I'm like, I can't, I don't. 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:09.679 I hate you. 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:11.760 You need to be perssonable. 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:17.800 Bill Maher is a person who's who's politics. I ninety 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:20.360 five percent probably agree with them. The five percent I'm like, 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.240 you are a piece of shit, Like I need you. 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:27.040 But the way he like hawks to people and goes 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:32.320 about his whole thing is so bad that I'm like, man, 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.079 fuck this, fuck this guy. Leena Dunham is another one 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:36.600 of these where I'm like, you know, I agree with 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:38.680 all this, but I just am not with you the 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:39.680 way yourself. 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.679 Of course, Carol is really having that same struggle right now. 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.679 Yes, where it's like, Carol, could you act like you 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.960 care about these other people? Could you like ask so 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:54.160 what's going on with your how you guys up with you? 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:55.520 Any idea? 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:55.960 Yeah? 0:13:56.040 --> 0:14:00.760 And instead of just like jumping immediately to a pretty 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:05.359 drastic ask, which is like, let's stave in the world. 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:09.280 And we the only way we're doing this is communicating 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.679 this through the Hive mind. 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.679 Like the imagine if you there's gotta be up a way. 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.480 Imagine if you were like the other eleven survivors and 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.480 you were all coming up with a really sick, like 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:23.040 radical underground plan that you'd been communicating to each other, 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.680 and then someone just kept like dming the Hive Mind 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.840 and being like, hey guys, hey, Hive Mind group chat, Hey, 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:31.000 we should save the world. 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.720 Save the world, Like I would also be annoyed. Yeah, 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:35.520 I think this is another great episode. I think it 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.840 builds on what we got in the last episode in 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:42.920 a really exciting way. I also think that we are 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:47.000 at the space now where the milk and the Juke's 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.840 dairy of it all is the kind of hook that 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.080 we need. I think that they do need to start 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.560 delivering a few answers or we could end up in 0:14:54.600 --> 0:15:00.200 a Yellow Jackets type situation. So Jason likelihood of the 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:05.880 Hive Mind powder oil milk being something that keeps the 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.520 Hive Mind connected, or that they need to drink to 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:11.760 keep control of them. What do you think or do 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:15.560 you think it's just maybe it's more of a body 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.200 anatomy type thing, the way that when you're a vampire 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.720 you don't really need to eat food anymore. Maybe once 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:22.800 the hive mind takes over, it's more of a kind 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:26.480 of last of Us brain infection. So maybe this is 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:28.880 a way to keep people sentient and not just like 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:32.000 eating each other. I'm very interested to know where it goes, 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:35.360 because Vince is an unexpected man. 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.640 Yeah. I think that this is some sort of nutrient 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:46.360 concoction that gives them all they need to keep being alive, 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:50.960 but that also probably services their connection to the hive 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.320 mind in some way and maybe re ups it. Maybe 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:57.920 it's gout like some of the original DNA recipe. But 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:02.640 the fact that it's all that they and soon we 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.280 needs you to believe that it is necessary for them 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.760 to live. And then the question is like, what is it? 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.720 I mean, I don't think. I guess we're led to 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:15.520 believe that whatever she finds in the freezer is so 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:20.080 shot like dead bodies, dead animals, something, some sort of 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:24.960 soilent green thing that is so can't be that right. 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.240 It can't because it's too obvious, Like they can't just 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.400 be eating the dead humans, like it's too obvious. I 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.840 know he's going to do something surprising, but I just 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:35.480 gotta know what it is. 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.080 Also, I guess I was what I was dying. 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.440 It could be this would be very bleak, but it 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:45.520 could be like Helen is in the refrigerator and actually 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.320 they're keeping the bodies of the dead for whatever reason, 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.320 and they never buried her in her god like, like 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.640 they dug her up out of her garden or something. 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:52.960 You know. 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:54.360 But that feels a little bit. 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:58.440 Too Carol ex Machina, like a little bit too on Carol, though, 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:02.800 I will say I've been enjoyed how many surprising kind 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.560 of connections we've had between like this and the Chair 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:09.159 Company and even it Welcome to Derry and the whole 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:13.040 Agrijet stuff was giving it was giving Chair Company. 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.520 I was like, yes, it really was really similar. 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.520 I think this notion of liminal spaces and the way 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.639 that everybody is living so online that sometimes you go 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.560 outside and you're like, oh, there's nobody here, Like where 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:30.479 is everybody playing? On these kind of ideas of like 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.320 places you expect people to be and they're not. Whether 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.600 it's an office building, like we're investigating in the Chair 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.960 Company or if it's this, I think there is something 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.280 really scary about that, and I think that a lot 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:46.320 of shows are really digging into that right now. And yeah, 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.240 the end of this, I was like, this is so 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:52.760 Chair Company coded, but I need to know what's in 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.800 the fridge because, like you said, it's too obvious, and 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:58.840 I don't think he would do a pull the punch. 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.320 It's not really a twist, you know. It also is 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.280 not just going to be like her favorite Booze or 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.399 whatever version. There's something in there, but it has to 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:13.160 be a situation of something so shocking that tells us 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.640 a new part of the story and what is going 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:18.600 on with it. So I'm very interested in a few 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:19.280 different things. 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:23.199 I think that there is something about the way that 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:28.080 just to participate in the world, you have to understand 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:31.919 like what company owns, what company owns what company? Like 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.240 even just to talk about you know what we talk about, 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.359 it's like, Okay, well this ip is owned by Disney, 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.080 but they got it from Fox and they got it. 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:42.240 And I think there is something there is that similarity 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.120 in Chair Company and this where it's like, Okay, you're 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:47.640 where does the bag come from? And where do they 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.920 make this? And who owns that? And where is this? Actually? 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:54.680 You know, it's like you're it's like this Russian nesting 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:58.600 doll of corporate structures that we all live inside, and 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:02.520 that the feeling is that when you're inside one of 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:06.560 these nesting structures, it's hard to understand, like what's two 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:09.240 layers beyond it? But the feeling is that if you 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:14.640 go enough layers beyond it, there's only one nesting doll, 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.359 like we're all in, you know what I mean, Like 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.840 it all leads back to one or two companies. And 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:26.080 I think that mystery is that feeling of confusion and 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:29.680 bewildernentment about being trapped in this kind of big maze 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:33.280 is something that really resonates. 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.080 Ian put a great question in how, which is what 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.720 are they doing when they're not with Carol? Like do 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.919 we have no idea? Everything is so focused around them? 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.200 They're working on something? Are they building something? Are they 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:50.919 programming something? Are certain segments of them just sitting asleep, 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:53.920 hundreds of them at a time, just like in sitting 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:57.040 like zoned out, Like that's I want to see that 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.120 Why to world Vince has done a really good job 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.359 of Carol being are in. But now I need to 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:06.240 know what happens next. And now the show's been you know, 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.199 I believe picked up for the second season. 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.199 I think we will. We're definitely going to get to 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:12.720 know that. Okay. 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:17.040 Also another question ari hive mind stuff. Are the animals 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:18.359 in the hive mind? 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.359 Like were the wolves? No, you don't think so. 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:25.359 You think that could also be a big part of 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.520 how they save the world if the animals are not. 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:31.280 If that was just the wolves naturally digging up a 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:32.960 dead body because they could smell it and they were 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:35.359 hunting down trash rather than some kind of hive mind 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:42.400 ghoulish behavior. To kind of explore Jason going into episode six, 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:47.000 what is the thing that you need them to explore 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.159 the most and give you answers on the most or 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:51.719 the character you most want to follow up with? 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:57.120 You know, I think that finding out what they are doing, 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:01.240 like what they must be working towards someigger project. Clearly 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:06.879 they are doing that, and that the mission to service 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:12.439 the survivors with whatever they need is probably you know, 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:20.879 a miniscule part of their daily operating, you know, load 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.760 that whatever it is that they are doing spending the 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:29.320 majority of their time doing is probably one the production 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:34.280 of this nutrient juice that they need, and then two 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:40.320 whatever the bigger project is, which is something we don't 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.000 that's the thing that we don't know, Like, what is 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:47.000 the bigger project? This wasn't just to unite the world 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:50.000 in a hive mind type situation where we can all 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:54.520 drink the milk juice. They must be the planet has 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:58.600 been hijacked for a reason to do something. And I 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:02.679 think part of it again talked about it is in 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:06.480 the first episode they talked about how the power needed 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:10.919 to send this signal six hundred light years across space. 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:13.560 It must have required an antenna the size of Africa, 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:17.080 and I think that they're doing that. They're building a 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:22.359 part of it is building another huge antenna in order 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:27.719 to send this message to whatever inhabited planet in the 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:32.080 direction of some inhabited planet. The question I guess is 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:37.640 were they aiming at us? Did they know we were here? 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.920 Is it just to act get the Paraguay guy? 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:42.800 Yes? 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:49.080 Guy? Is are there like pioneers that go out and 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:51.679 locate planets? 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:52.080 Mm? 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:55.680 Hmmm? Are they sending out colonization ships? 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:59.600 Right? And then drop a pin and say, okay, aim 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:03.159