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Speaker 2: In today's episode, it is Pluribus one oh five Got Milk.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be digging into it with a recap.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be asking some big questions heading into the
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Speaker 1: But first, let's seven Plurals. Wow. Great episode. We open
Speaker 1: in the hospital where Carol is hanging out waiting to
Speaker 1: see how thoshit is. After Usha's interrogation induced heart attack.
Speaker 1: Carol is, you know, just kind of waiting, squeezing her
Speaker 1: stress stuck. We see a man drinking a carton of milk,
Speaker 1: one of the little school cartons. Then the phone rings.
Speaker 1: Carol picks it up at the front desk. It is Lakshmi,
Speaker 1: and Lakshmi's pissed. She's like, you made my son cry?
Speaker 1: What the fuck are you doing? And she's like, never
Speaker 1: did it again, goodbye, hangs up. She's very angry. At
Speaker 1: this point, you start to notice that all the Hive
Speaker 1: Mind people seem kind of mad at Carol, like they're
Speaker 1: very unhappy with her. They're giving her a there's definitely
Speaker 1: a vibe. Yes, Harol like grabs one of the Hive
Speaker 1: Mind people and like, don't let me call me again.
Speaker 1: The guy's like whatever, Like definitely is like okay, But
Speaker 1: then maybe there's an attitude one of them. When Carol asks, says,
Speaker 1: so she's gonna be fine, but like in a really
Speaker 1: annoyed right way. And then Carol lays down for a nap.
Speaker 2: This is not the Hive Mind to her, only there
Speaker 2: to please Carol anymore us.
Speaker 3: And then we see like them just streaming.
Speaker 2: Away from the hospital appears as if they are like
Speaker 2: fleeing Carol, maybe fleeing the potential of a nightmare.
Speaker 3: I was wondering, like, if she's angry and high dream
Speaker 3: would that do something? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm very interested in that they board like coaches basically
Speaker 2: to leave and time passes.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure in the script it.
Speaker 2: Said beat Carol wakes alone, and she does, and where
Speaker 2: is Zosha?
Speaker 3: That's the biggest question. I think.
Speaker 2: I'm really scared at this point by the scope of
Speaker 2: how quickly they can arrange and organize stuff, whether it's
Speaker 2: rebuilding a sprouts or emptying a hospital. Carol tries to
Speaker 2: make a call, but she is no longer priority number one,
Speaker 2: and they do not pick up. There's only a message saying,
Speaker 2: tell us what you need, Carol, We'll do our best
Speaker 2: to provide it. The hide mine needs a little space
Speaker 2: from her, and she climbs to a rooftop and sees
Speaker 2: the entire population fleeing and says, good riddance. What a
Speaker 2: way to wake up. Imagine pissing off the entire world?
Speaker 1: What a way. She goes home and she begins drafting
Speaker 1: a script. Uh she and it gets made up for her,
Speaker 1: you know, with her video camera setup that's still in
Speaker 1: the living room. She puts a new and stick card
Speaker 1: in the camera and then she, reading off her notes,
Speaker 1: goes straight to camera and addressing her twelve other fellow survivors,
Speaker 1: basically pitching like this greater mission to cure humanity. He
Speaker 1: lays out how she knows everything that she knows about
Speaker 1: about the Hive Mind people they can't lie that they
Speaker 1: want to please them, but that there is a cure,
Speaker 1: and that they basically confirmed to her by process of
Speaker 1: elimination that there is a cure, and that it was
Speaker 1: in pursuing this information that she and accidentally got everybody
Speaker 1: to burst out into tears all around the world, and
Speaker 1: she's like, sorry about that. He then calls the Hive Mind,
Speaker 1: leaving a message and says, hey, I want this videotape
Speaker 1: distributed with captions for those who don't speak English to
Speaker 1: all the others. And she leaves it in a little
Speaker 1: like padded envelope outside her house and a drone comes
Speaker 1: because they don't want to approach her. A drone comes
Speaker 1: in and carries it away. I will say that my
Speaker 1: initial reaction to this video is this is not going
Speaker 1: to get it.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Jason, likelihood of my manifestos winning bad,
Speaker 2: it's not. She's not winning anyone over, Like this is
Speaker 2: not a well made manifesto.
Speaker 1: This is just Pete's stand at Carol, and I think
Speaker 1: this is very This is part of the tension of
Speaker 1: this show. That's so interesting is you know, like, nominally
Speaker 1: I'm on Carol's side, but the fact that she is.
Speaker 1: She's going about it in almost the same way that
Speaker 1: the Hive's mind do their exactly I like and ask
Speaker 1: for consent. They just they just assimilated everyone. Harold here
Speaker 1: she makes a very kind of like bare gesture chords
Speaker 1: like now, I know some of you might not agree
Speaker 1: with me, but then she usually rolls over that and
Speaker 1: is like, we must together to do this.
Speaker 3: She's like, oh, now I care about curing the earth.
Speaker 3: It's like, do you like you didn't seem to be.
Speaker 2: That bothered about any of this before, Like she's not,
Speaker 2: she's not selling it, but she's doing her best good
Speaker 2: for Caro. And she tries to sleep but she can't,
Speaker 2: which understandable because the whole world hates you.
Speaker 3: It's like my regular night terror.
Speaker 2: She sees a coyote hop the fence and eat her garbage.
Speaker 3: Makes sense, It's Albuquerque.
Speaker 2: So she sees a wolf and it begins to eat
Speaker 2: her garbage, and she's like, go away, trashes the garden
Speaker 2: as if you've ever had a raccoon or a coyote
Speaker 2: or a wolf in your house, they are want to do.
Speaker 2: She calls the Hive mine and she's like, hey, put
Speaker 2: on these lights. The wolves are getting brave, like they
Speaker 2: put them on. But the next day, Carol's like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna clean my yard, goes outside getting her little racon
Speaker 2: and she calls the Hive mine and she's like, I
Speaker 2: need my trash to be picked up now. I gotta
Speaker 2: say I'm kind of liking the Hive Mind's response to
Speaker 2: this because Carol, I don't feel like you're relying too
Speaker 2: much on them for you're just calling them all the time.
Speaker 3: They do this for me, do that for me, but
Speaker 3: like you could do it yourself. And that's basically what
Speaker 3: they say, which I love.
Speaker 2: They're basically like, hey, here's a recording on how you
Speaker 2: bag your own trash, Like great job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the drones, so the drones can take each
Speaker 1: individual bag away.
Speaker 3: And this is very interesting.
Speaker 2: Now we're starting to get some clues, and I feel
Speaker 2: like this was very clear from the opening of this
Speaker 2: episode that the milk would be a foreshadowing thing. And
Speaker 2: she starts to notice in every trash cans just tons
Speaker 2: of milk. So I'm like, hopefully they can be beaten
Speaker 2: by lactose intolerance. That's kind of my dream outcome here.
Speaker 1: She goes to the dairy where the milk comes from,
Speaker 1: the kind of like the bottling plant Duke's dairy, and
Speaker 1: it does not seem to be operational at the moment,
Speaker 1: and whatever they're producing there, it does not appear to
Speaker 1: be milk. She finds like a storeroom where crows have
Speaker 1: torn into a bag of like powdery stuff. She drags
Speaker 1: the bag home and gets like some pH balanced stuff
Speaker 1: in different very basic like chemical reagents to kind of
Speaker 1: test what this stuff is. She never records a new
Speaker 1: video update for the survivors. She's like, Hey, the hive
Speaker 1: mind drink this weird liquid that's water mixed with this
Speaker 1: white powder that I found. They all eat it. It's
Speaker 1: like oily to the touch, like olive oil, but like
Speaker 1: maybe a little thinner. It's probably the stuff. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: that the hive mind. It's it's probably similar to what
Speaker 1: that we saw the Hive mind making the lab in
Speaker 1: episode one.
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be.
Speaker 2: It's very interesting to me because we're already getting to
Speaker 2: that kind of soilent green at esque like what's in
Speaker 2: the bag?
Speaker 3: Is that how they keep control of them?
Speaker 2: Like I love this, I love this wrinkle, But again, Carol,
Speaker 2: nobody cares.
Speaker 3: Not like common persuading, not good at persuading.
Speaker 2: You've got to be coming at this with a hey,
Speaker 2: here's another clue, Like I'm gonna keep recording these just
Speaker 2: for you know, society, so they know what happened or something.
Speaker 1: I mean. I also think that Perrol, her only interest
Speaker 1: in the other survivors is like, help me with.
Speaker 3: This, exactly.
Speaker 2: She doesn't actually care about them, or their family or their.
Speaker 1: Kids, anybody. You're not gonna get anybody to buy in
Speaker 1: like that. You know, you're just not so even though
Speaker 1: your message is one that I think everybody on some
Speaker 1: level would agree with, You're just not gonna convince everybody
Speaker 1: if you're if you only want them for their ability
Speaker 1: to help you, and don't do the shit otherwise exactly,
Speaker 1: which is true.
Speaker 2: Also, I think a strong theme for the show is
Speaker 2: probably where it's going, Like, hey, imagine if you were
Speaker 2: an active part of your society.
Speaker 1: So she's very frustrated, you know, with the fact that
Speaker 1: the Thrivers don't seem to care. I think maybe realizing
Speaker 1: this message is not like quite up to snuff. She
Speaker 1: deletes it and records another one and then sends that.
Speaker 2: One off and that's the drone comes And this is
Speaker 2: where this is where you're really getting some like this
Speaker 2: ending sequence is so Vince Gilligan at his best and
Speaker 2: craziest and bleakest, because Carol's drinking again, and honestly, in
Speaker 2: that way, I don't blame her.
Speaker 3: It's a tough time. She's loving through the end of
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 2: But the wolves are back, and this time they don't
Speaker 2: want her trash. They want her ex girlfriend and agent
Speaker 2: slash publisher Helen.
Speaker 3: They are digging her up to eat her.
Speaker 2: There is a chase into the house and eventually end
Speaker 2: with Carol basically having to drive a cop car through
Speaker 2: them to scare them away through her backyard. Wakes up
Speaker 2: in the car, decides that the only option is to
Speaker 2: go and build a grave site kind of concrete over
Speaker 2: poor very soap opera style over Helen's grave, and then
Speaker 2: she ends up also making her a headstone and decides
Speaker 2: she's going to get drunk. But I feel like again, Carol,
Speaker 2: learn a lesson here. She knocks over the powder stuff
Speaker 2: and notices a barcode. If you had just looked at
Speaker 2: it closer before, wouldn't have had to get here. But
Speaker 2: you know what, babe, do your best.
Speaker 1: So she takes the bag with the barcode to the
Speaker 1: local sprouts to scan it, but it doesn't come up incredible,
Speaker 1: but she eventually locates that the bag comes from a
Speaker 1: company called Agrijet, and she goes to Agrijet, which it's
Speaker 1: like this big storage facility with a huge freezers and
Speaker 1: huge refrigerated containers and inside there's like a lot of
Speaker 1: produce for the sprouts. And then something she uncovers, something
Speaker 1: like under a blanket and whatever it is, it absolutely
Speaker 1: shocks her, leaving us with like a cliffhanger that I
Speaker 1: almost I almost couldn't stand it.
Speaker 2: I know, I like kick, I'm kicking, I'm kicking the TV.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm like, tell me what's not get in there.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and come back and we'll
Speaker 1: discuss all of this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're back.
Speaker 1: Okay. I really liked this episode, and I really like
Speaker 1: the you know, I mean, I think that there is
Speaker 1: something about the way we process maybe like politics too,
Speaker 1: in this because there's a.
Speaker 3: Lot of people I think so too.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of figures, let's say, like out there
Speaker 1: whose politics maybe I agree with, you know, but just
Speaker 1: the way they carry themselves, I'm like, I can't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I hate you.
Speaker 3: You need to be perssonable.
Speaker 1: Bill Maher is a person who's who's politics. I ninety
Speaker 1: five percent probably agree with them. The five percent I'm like,
Speaker 1: you are a piece of shit, Like I need you.
Speaker 1: But the way he like hawks to people and goes
Speaker 1: about his whole thing is so bad that I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: fuck this, fuck this guy. Leena Dunham is another one
Speaker 1: of these where I'm like, you know, I agree with
Speaker 1: all this, but I just am not with you the
Speaker 1: way yourself.
Speaker 2: Of course, Carol is really having that same struggle right now.
Speaker 1: Yes, where it's like, Carol, could you act like you
Speaker 1: care about these other people? Could you like ask so
Speaker 1: what's going on with your how you guys up with you?
Speaker 3: Any idea?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And instead of just like jumping immediately to a pretty
Speaker 1: drastic ask, which is like, let's stave in the world.
Speaker 2: And we the only way we're doing this is communicating
Speaker 2: this through the Hive mind.
Speaker 3: Like the imagine if you there's gotta be up a way.
Speaker 5: Imagine if you were like the other eleven survivors and
Speaker 5: you were all coming up with a really sick, like
Speaker 5: radical underground plan that you'd been communicating to each other,
Speaker 5: and then someone just kept like dming the Hive Mind
Speaker 5: and being like, hey guys, hey, Hive Mind group chat, Hey,
Speaker 5: we should save the world.
Speaker 2: Save the world, Like I would also be annoyed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think this is another great episode. I think it
Speaker 2: builds on what we got in the last episode in
Speaker 2: a really exciting way. I also think that we are
Speaker 2: at the space now where the milk and the Juke's
Speaker 2: dairy of it all is the kind of hook that
Speaker 2: we need. I think that they do need to start
Speaker 2: delivering a few answers or we could end up in
Speaker 2: a Yellow Jackets type situation. So Jason likelihood of the
Speaker 2: Hive Mind powder oil milk being something that keeps the
Speaker 2: Hive Mind connected, or that they need to drink to
Speaker 2: keep control of them. What do you think or do
Speaker 2: you think it's just maybe it's more of a body
Speaker 2: anatomy type thing, the way that when you're a vampire
Speaker 2: you don't really need to eat food anymore. Maybe once
Speaker 2: the hive mind takes over, it's more of a kind
Speaker 2: of last of Us brain infection. So maybe this is
Speaker 2: a way to keep people sentient and not just like
Speaker 2: eating each other. I'm very interested to know where it goes,
Speaker 2: because Vince is an unexpected man.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that this is some sort of nutrient
Speaker 1: concoction that gives them all they need to keep being alive,
Speaker 1: but that also probably services their connection to the hive
Speaker 1: mind in some way and maybe re ups it. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's gout like some of the original DNA recipe. But
Speaker 1: the fact that it's all that they and soon we
Speaker 1: needs you to believe that it is necessary for them
Speaker 1: to live. And then the question is like, what is it?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think. I guess we're led to
Speaker 1: believe that whatever she finds in the freezer is so
Speaker 1: shot like dead bodies, dead animals, something, some sort of
Speaker 1: soilent green thing that is so can't be that right.
Speaker 2: It can't because it's too obvious, Like they can't just
Speaker 2: be eating the dead humans, like it's too obvious. I
Speaker 2: know he's going to do something surprising, but I just
Speaker 2: gotta know what it is.
Speaker 1: Also, I guess I was what I was dying.
Speaker 2: It could be this would be very bleak, but it
Speaker 2: could be like Helen is in the refrigerator and actually
Speaker 2: they're keeping the bodies of the dead for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: and they never buried her in her god like, like
Speaker 2: they dug her up out of her garden or something.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: But that feels a little bit.
Speaker 2: Too Carol ex Machina, like a little bit too on Carol, though,
Speaker 2: I will say I've been enjoyed how many surprising kind
Speaker 2: of connections we've had between like this and the Chair
Speaker 2: Company and even it Welcome to Derry and the whole
Speaker 2: Agrijet stuff was giving it was giving Chair Company.
Speaker 3: I was like, yes, it really was really similar.
Speaker 2: I think this notion of liminal spaces and the way
Speaker 2: that everybody is living so online that sometimes you go
Speaker 2: outside and you're like, oh, there's nobody here, Like where
Speaker 2: is everybody playing? On these kind of ideas of like
Speaker 2: places you expect people to be and they're not. Whether
Speaker 2: it's an office building, like we're investigating in the Chair
Speaker 2: Company or if it's this, I think there is something
Speaker 2: really scary about that, and I think that a lot
Speaker 2: of shows are really digging into that right now. And yeah,
Speaker 2: the end of this, I was like, this is so
Speaker 2: Chair Company coded, but I need to know what's in
Speaker 2: the fridge because, like you said, it's too obvious, and
Speaker 2: I don't think he would do a pull the punch.
Speaker 2: It's not really a twist, you know. It also is
Speaker 2: not just going to be like her favorite Booze or
Speaker 2: whatever version. There's something in there, but it has to
Speaker 2: be a situation of something so shocking that tells us
Speaker 2: a new part of the story and what is going
Speaker 2: on with it. So I'm very interested in a few
Speaker 2: different things.
Speaker 1: I think that there is something about the way that
Speaker 1: just to participate in the world, you have to understand
Speaker 1: like what company owns, what company owns what company? Like
Speaker 1: even just to talk about you know what we talk about,
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, well this ip is owned by Disney,
Speaker 1: but they got it from Fox and they got it.
Speaker 1: And I think there is something there is that similarity
Speaker 1: in Chair Company and this where it's like, Okay, you're
Speaker 1: where does the bag come from? And where do they
Speaker 1: make this? And who owns that? And where is this? Actually?
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you're it's like this Russian nesting
Speaker 1: doll of corporate structures that we all live inside, and
Speaker 1: that the feeling is that when you're inside one of
Speaker 1: these nesting structures, it's hard to understand, like what's two
Speaker 1: layers beyond it? But the feeling is that if you
Speaker 1: go enough layers beyond it, there's only one nesting doll,
Speaker 1: like we're all in, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: it all leads back to one or two companies. And
Speaker 1: I think that mystery is that feeling of confusion and
Speaker 1: bewildernentment about being trapped in this kind of big maze
Speaker 1: is something that really resonates.
Speaker 2: Ian put a great question in how, which is what
Speaker 2: are they doing when they're not with Carol? Like do
Speaker 2: we have no idea? Everything is so focused around them?
Speaker 2: They're working on something? Are they building something? Are they
Speaker 2: programming something? Are certain segments of them just sitting asleep,
Speaker 2: hundreds of them at a time, just like in sitting
Speaker 2: like zoned out, Like that's I want to see that
Speaker 2: Why to world Vince has done a really good job
Speaker 2: of Carol being are in. But now I need to
Speaker 2: know what happens next. And now the show's been you know,
Speaker 2: I believe picked up for the second season.
Speaker 3: I think we will. We're definitely going to get to
Speaker 3: know that. Okay.
Speaker 2: Also another question ari hive mind stuff. Are the animals
Speaker 2: in the hive mind?
Speaker 3: Like were the wolves? No, you don't think so.
Speaker 2: You think that could also be a big part of
Speaker 2: how they save the world if the animals are not.
Speaker 2: If that was just the wolves naturally digging up a
Speaker 2: dead body because they could smell it and they were
Speaker 2: hunting down trash rather than some kind of hive mind
Speaker 2: ghoulish behavior. To kind of explore Jason going into episode six,
Speaker 2: what is the thing that you need them to explore
Speaker 2: the most and give you answers on the most or
Speaker 2: the character you most want to follow up with?
Speaker 1: You know, I think that finding out what they are doing,
Speaker 1: like what they must be working towards someigger project. Clearly
Speaker 1: they are doing that, and that the mission to service
Speaker 1: the survivors with whatever they need is probably you know,
Speaker 1: a miniscule part of their daily operating, you know, load
Speaker 1: that whatever it is that they are doing spending the
Speaker 1: majority of their time doing is probably one the production
Speaker 1: of this nutrient juice that they need, and then two
Speaker 1: whatever the bigger project is, which is something we don't
Speaker 1: that's the thing that we don't know, Like, what is
Speaker 1: the bigger project? This wasn't just to unite the world
Speaker 1: in a hive mind type situation where we can all
Speaker 1: drink the milk juice. They must be the planet has
Speaker 1: been hijacked for a reason to do something. And I
Speaker 1: think part of it again talked about it is in
Speaker 1: the first episode they talked about how the power needed
Speaker 1: to send this signal six hundred light years across space.
Speaker 1: It must have required an antenna the size of Africa,
Speaker 1: and I think that they're doing that. They're building a
Speaker 1: part of it is building another huge antenna in order
Speaker 1: to send this message to whatever inhabited planet in the
Speaker 1: direction of some inhabited planet. The question I guess is
Speaker 1: were they aiming at us? Did they know we were here?
Speaker 1: Is it just to act get the Paraguay guy?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Guy? Is are there like pioneers that go out and
Speaker 1: locate planets?
Speaker 4: Mm?
Speaker 3: Hmmm? Are they sending out colonization ships?
Speaker 1: Right? And then drop a pin and say, okay, aim
Speaker 1: then and a hear that's the kind of thing that
Speaker 1: I'm I can't wait to find out along with you know,
Speaker 1: like what the fuck is under the blanket in the presearch.
Speaker 3: Right, like we need to know what's head that.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm really excited about as well is I'm loving
Speaker 2: that our discord has been loving this and our listeners
Speaker 2: have been loving this. And Vince has really kind of
Speaker 2: expanded out some teasers with a recent letterbox list that
Speaker 2: he said are the ten movies that he thinks most
Speaker 2: influenced pluribus and this is really gonna give you some good.
Speaker 2: This is some weird shit to talk about. Okay, So
Speaker 2: this is a classic Vince Gilligan thing. So this movie
Speaker 2: is called Afterlife. It's a movie about recently deceased people
Speaker 2: who basically have to pick like one perfect memory that
Speaker 2: they can just take and recreate for them in their afterlife.
Speaker 2: But the best thing is Vince Gilligan has never watched
Speaker 2: the movie. He says that in the description, but he says,
Speaker 2: this idea of the joined being able to see all
Speaker 2: of the different memories came from that movie. So you
Speaker 2: can watch it and be ahead of Vince Gilligan, who
Speaker 2: still apparently has not watched it. Another one Albert Brook's
Speaker 2: classic Defending Your Life. Defending your Life, classic classic, and
Speaker 2: that one, he says, is really like, that's a lot
Speaker 2: of influence on Carol's personality and this kind of crankiness
Speaker 2: and this kind of feeling of how depressing and cranky
Speaker 2: can you be in real life? And could you change that?
Speaker 2: The one that really in the one I think is
Speaker 2: really interesting. He chose Invasion of the Body Snatches. Obviously,
Speaker 2: he chose the nineteen fifty six version, which is our
Speaker 2: original kind of well Spring version. But the quote from
Speaker 2: this that I think is so interesting and tells us
Speaker 2: a lot. He says, what if there was an argument
Speaker 2: to be made in favor of losing your individuality and
Speaker 2: joining the hive? I would argue that argument has not
Speaker 2: fully been made yet in the show. So I'm really
Speaker 2: excited to see the fact that he thinks that there
Speaker 2: is this version where joining the hive would be better.
Speaker 2: We also have some classic isolation movies. Omega, man, I
Speaker 2: know we're both big. Richard Matheson Fancy wrote, I am
Speaker 2: Legend the book it was based on, and this Vincent
Speaker 2: Price movie is like so good, and I like that
Speaker 2: this is kind of where he got a lot of
Speaker 2: the isolation from. He says, you know, obviously Vincent Price
Speaker 2: is like fighting vampires, but Carol is in the emptiness
Speaker 2: of the sprout.
Speaker 3: She has to combine.
Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, it's it's it's I Am it's the Charlton
Speaker 2: Heston in the Omega Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Such a good.
Speaker 2: Movie, and obviously Carol does not have vampires killing her.
Speaker 2: Vince says, maybe that's a red herring yet, but I
Speaker 2: like that he kind of sees that liminal aspect. A
Speaker 2: New Zealand movie I actually haven't seen, called The Choiet
Speaker 2: Earth also on his list. Basically, just every other human vanishes,
Speaker 2: only three people left and they have to have this
Speaker 2: conversation about what happened. Obviously, the ones that really surprised
Speaker 2: me though, the Shining I think that is like so
Speaker 2: tonally different from this show.
Speaker 3: But I love that for Vince Gilligan, he.
Speaker 2: Says, basically, like, you know, it's the creepy neighbor kids
Speaker 2: that came from the creepy Twin Girls. You get the
Speaker 2: kind of acts that the Salamanca cousins have in Breaking
Speaker 2: Bad that was inspired by the Shining this has been
Speaker 2: something through his career. But really, for it's all about
Speaker 2: the isolated writer who is drunk, who is unhappy, who
Speaker 2: cannot find happiness. Obviously that is reflected in Carol then
Speaker 2: other ones. The thing obviously ultimate powerier kind of story,
Speaker 2: so makes a lot of sense. Also turns out Vince
Speaker 2: Gilligan Great Great Taste has a lot of big Kurt.
Speaker 3: Russell feelings and it meant a lot to him when Kurt.
Speaker 2: Russell loved it. But the thing that is biggest here
Speaker 2: is the monster's hiding among us. So there's kind of
Speaker 2: these jewel themes of the isolation and the notion of
Speaker 2: like not knowing the people who are around you. Truman
Speaker 2: Show makes a lot of sense. Though again I also
Speaker 2: think adds a very interesting wrinkle because he has never
Speaker 2: ever watched The Truman Show. Vince Gilligan watch it, but
Speaker 2: he said, you know, everyone brings it up on the
Speaker 2: show all the time. It's one of the biggest influences
Speaker 2: for the writing crew. So I'm interested in that they
Speaker 2: live one of my all time favorite John Carpenter movies,
Speaker 2: and that for him is like it's all about the action,
Speaker 2: the overlords, that secret feeling of convincing people to wake
Speaker 2: up and realize they are being subjugated, and that is
Speaker 2: such a huge part of what he took. He says,
Speaker 2: Pluribus actually owes a debt to that part of the
Speaker 2: They Live and the final one, which you guys may
Speaker 2: not have seen. I'm a big fan of this movie.
Speaker 2: If you are an X Men fan, you have likely
Speaker 2: been influenced by this movie without even knowing of it.
Speaker 2: Village are the Damned, which is are you know, Midwich
Speaker 2: Cuckoos fall sleep in England. When they wake up, they
Speaker 2: start having babies, and all the babies are blonde.
Speaker 3: It's very Umbrella Academy coded.
Speaker 2: And suddenly the kids exhibit these crazy psychic powers and
Speaker 2: start to be able to take over the adults. And
Speaker 2: he says that's actually one of the things he thought
Speaker 2: about the most while writing the pilot for Pluribus and
Speaker 2: trying to hit like all the kind of time honor
Speaker 2: tropes of this possession, you know, invasion of the body,
Speaker 2: snatches stuff, and he says that one is like throughout
Speaker 2: the show, just a recurring echo. So if you guys
Speaker 2: want to check those out, that list is on letterbox.
Speaker 2: And I just think that is such an eclectic list
Speaker 2: that it tells me, I still don't know where I'm going.
Speaker 2: I just still can't tell what's gonna happen in episode.
Speaker 1: I think it's the one thing, the one theme that
Speaker 1: I'm seeing. It was the kind of feeling that I'm
Speaker 1: seeing that is that I'm definitely getting from this show
Speaker 1: is the idea that, like, you know, this body Snatcher's
Speaker 1: idea where everybody gets assimilated into a borglike mentality. But
Speaker 1: you know, with Omega Man and then I Am Legend later,
Speaker 1: the thing about the vampires is they were, or at
Speaker 1: least in the original novelization, the legend was the hero
Speaker 1: of the story Charlton Heston in the case of Omega Man,
Speaker 1: and then Will Smith in the case of I Am Legend,
Speaker 1: it was the legend was the vampires talking about this crazy,
Speaker 1: terrible killer of their.
Speaker 2: Kind who was just constantly coming out and killing them
Speaker 2: and pulling.
Speaker 1: And haunting them. And so the the idea is that
Speaker 1: you know, these people have been assimilated, but they are
Speaker 1: having their producing their own society and culture that the
Speaker 1: hero of the story can't understand. And you do feel
Speaker 1: that with Carol, like she whatever it is that the
Speaker 1: hive Mind are doing They're doing something. And while I
Speaker 1: agree with Carol that there is a definite lack of
Speaker 1: consent in the way that this was achieved, they are
Speaker 1: also there's also a consciousness and an agency that exists
Speaker 1: there now that she's working against that she needs to
Speaker 1: try and acknowledge on some level, like the fact that
Speaker 1: everybody was pissed at her, Like, we need to unpack
Speaker 1: this a little bit, because what we've seen is like
Speaker 1: the hive Mind are generally cheerful, They're very eager to please.
Speaker 1: If you ask them for something dangerous, they're going to
Speaker 1: be they're going to feel weird about it. But we
Speaker 1: never seen them really have a negative emotion. In fact,
Speaker 1: we've seen them respond with paralysis to Carol's negative intense emotions.
Speaker 1: So to see them be like kind of man at Carol, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting.
Speaker 3: Like they're very interesting.
Speaker 1: They're upset.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm intrigued by this because I talk about it
Speaker 2: a lot, but I always bring up because it really
Speaker 2: did stick with me. Years ago, I went to go
Speaker 2: and see ABC's of Horror at fright Fest in London.
Speaker 3: It was ABC's of Horror.
Speaker 2: Too, and there was a short film that was the
Speaker 2: O segment. It's twenty five, twenty six different movies, each
Speaker 2: one with a different letter of the alphabet, and the
Speaker 2: O was called Alacrisy and it's about it's a segment
Speaker 2: about a world where the zombie apocalypse has happened. Zombies
Speaker 2: are now the sentient ruling class, and they are putting
Speaker 2: all the humans on trial who killed zombies.
Speaker 3: And I thought it was such.
Speaker 2: An interesting idea, and it's like a two and a
Speaker 2: half minute movie. So I buy a gimi hata, and
Speaker 2: I just I really love that element that he is
Speaker 2: bringing here to that like okay, as you pointed out,
Speaker 2: like yes, there was no consent, but now this is
Speaker 2: the majority culture that is now living there and has
Speaker 2: you know, a mind and allegedly a society. It's a
Speaker 2: very interesting, complicated, sticky thing. And I think that's going
Speaker 2: to make the next kind of half of the season
Speaker 2: and hopefully continued into season two really.
Speaker 3: Something to dig in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a way, that's going to make it not
Speaker 2: as simple as it seems.
Speaker 1: The other interesting implication is the wolves. I do not
Speaker 1: think that they were sent to torment Carrol. I think
Speaker 1: that they are reacting to a lack of food and
Speaker 1: meaning that there's a lack of normal human garbage to scavenge. Yes,
Speaker 1: and also whatever happened whatever happened to all the dead
Speaker 1: bodies that died during the changeover, they're not they can't
Speaker 1: get to them. So I think they're attracted to the
Speaker 1: smell of Helen Corps because it's the only eagally available
Speaker 1: food stuff, which I think you know, in and of itself,
Speaker 1: raises a lot of questions about like, what happens to
Speaker 1: all the resources around here?
Speaker 3: Really good? That's really good?
Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, so many questions and I am so glad
Speaker 2: that this show is hitting for you guys because it
Speaker 2: is like so fun for us to cover.
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