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Speaker 2: All right, Uh, we got to get into some backup
Speaker 2: quarterback talk because we haven't talked about it. Of course,
Speaker 2: it happens all the time. I don't know why we
Speaker 2: even I don't even know why we even record on
Speaker 2: Tuesdays because it happens either right after the show on
Speaker 2: Tuesday or going into like Wednesday or Thursday.
Speaker 4: We just gotta shift an hour base, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then we'll be fine. But Joe Milton is now
Speaker 2: a Dallas Cowboy. That's the biggest news and note of
Speaker 2: the week because Cowboys trade a fifth round pick, they
Speaker 2: get a seventh and Joe Milton in return, and instead
Speaker 2: of using a draft pick on a possible backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: Is what they were going to do, if they were
Speaker 1: going to do it. We think it shocked about it.
Speaker 4: Go and get guy, get a guy, go and get
Speaker 4: a guy, and got a guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I much approve of this over what they
Speaker 6: did to acquire Trey Lance and sending away that fourth
Speaker 6: round pick and you got the player.
Speaker 2: But we don't have to talk about that.
Speaker 1: It kind kind of do you kind of do because
Speaker 1: you got to make over.
Speaker 3: You got a difference a fourth round and a fifth
Speaker 3: round trade.
Speaker 6: But also you know what I mean, you also got
Speaker 6: the seventh back with of course, of course, of course,
Speaker 6: so it was it was much less of an expensive pick.
Speaker 6: It wasn't expensive at all really so and then when
Speaker 6: you look at Joe Milton, I'm not going there with you.
Speaker 1: Cow would you?
Speaker 2: It's one of the comments, okay when you it's got it.
Speaker 2: We got a great opportunity for comment of the early
Speaker 2: early but I can't sit. I don't think I can
Speaker 2: say it on the air. I don't know if I
Speaker 2: can say it. We gotta figure it out, say Kyle,
Speaker 2: nice job, Chris, great jobs. I'm gonna say it, no
Speaker 2: are you? Oh, Cowward? Keep going.
Speaker 6: So we got a cowboys got themselves, a twenty five
Speaker 6: year old with a cannon of an arm.
Speaker 1: Cannon of an arm.
Speaker 6: Spent time with New England obviously in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 6: former sixth round pick by way of Tennessee, which is
Speaker 6: by way of Michigan. So he has some definitely big
Speaker 6: stage experience from those two programs. And he's coming in
Speaker 6: and he's you know, gonna battle with Will Gear for
Speaker 6: the right to back up you know, Dak Prescott. So
Speaker 6: we'll see how it goes. I'm excited to get to
Speaker 6: OTA's get the mini camp, get a training camp, and
Speaker 6: really see what that looks like, because you know, over
Speaker 6: the past couple of seasons or more in the Cooper
Speaker 6: Rush era, the best shot at de throwning Cooper Rush
Speaker 6: came a couple of seasons ago by way of Will Gear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then that didn't.
Speaker 6: Happen because Grier got injured and that's kind of what
Speaker 6: derailed that, and then it ushered back in Cooper Rush,
Speaker 6: and then they went and got Trey Lance, which was
Speaker 6: never really a competition in their eyes, not the way
Speaker 6: that they perceive.
Speaker 2: You're talking about the twenty three preseason, right.
Speaker 6: I want to say, yeah, before, well, well, when Will
Speaker 6: Grill got went down injured because he was winning that
Speaker 6: in training camp.
Speaker 2: He was winning it in training camp. Then he got
Speaker 2: he like had a growing it was it a growing
Speaker 2: one of the it was a slight injury. He came back,
Speaker 2: He played in the preseason in all three games, right.
Speaker 2: I know he played in that last one because that
Speaker 2: was kind of his last hurrah apparently.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, not that one. I think it
Speaker 1: was twenty two, was it before?
Speaker 6: I think it was twenty two because it was if
Speaker 6: memory serves me correctly, he's winning the training camp battle.
Speaker 6: He gets injured and he's unable to finish out the
Speaker 6: preseason and that's what derailed it from So then when
Speaker 6: he tried to come back, I think he was then
Speaker 6: made available again at that point on the practice squad.
Speaker 1: But he's made available again a few.
Speaker 6: Games into the season, but by then Cooper Rush had
Speaker 6: re solidified.
Speaker 1: I think that's that was the season that there must.
Speaker 6: Have been twenty of the calf that calf, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: because then Cooper went to Minnesota and solidified the backup
Speaker 6: role and that was pretty.
Speaker 2: Much twenty three. It was. They gave him a great shot, yeah,
Speaker 2: the third and then traded for Trey Lance particular exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, this I believe this was twenty two when
Speaker 6: we all had a collective saying, hey, you know what,
Speaker 6: Greer is in the lead here, and then the injury happened,
Speaker 6: and then so forth and so on. But all that
Speaker 6: to say, I'm looking forward to what will definitively be
Speaker 6: a QB.
Speaker 1: Competition behind Dak Prescott.
Speaker 6: I know you trade it, but this is not you know,
Speaker 6: excessive draft capital, which you know guarantees anything for Joe Milton.
Speaker 6: I really think it's gonna be Greer versus Milton and
Speaker 6: I had a couple of conversations kind of off the cuff,
Speaker 6: off the record with Will Greer. He's looking forward to
Speaker 6: the competition, like he's really looking to sharpen his teeth here.
Speaker 6: So it's going to be fun and I'm ready for it.
Speaker 3: That's an excellent take, Patrick, But I don't think there's
Speaker 3: enough overreaction in their statement there.
Speaker 2: Okay, so can you over react I'm telling you right
Speaker 2: by week five?
Speaker 4: No, not at all, Not at all.
Speaker 3: I think it's a healthy competition going into training camp. Obviously,
Speaker 3: you need the bodies there. I think having these two
Speaker 3: quarterbacks behind Dak, behind Dak, let me be very clear,
Speaker 3: be behind Dak to compete is a good thing and
Speaker 3: only a good thing for the Dallas Cowboys. I would
Speaker 3: like to see a full preseason for both quarterback or
Speaker 3: a full preseason game for both quarterbacks. I would love
Speaker 3: to see how they do in a full game situation.
Speaker 3: But let's see how it plays out. I'm excited to
Speaker 3: get to training camp now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think it's Chris, you really I know exactly what
Speaker 5: you're talking about. So we're going to quickly transition away
Speaker 5: from that good job, Chris. You know, when you look
Speaker 5: at this, I think for both sides here and talking
Speaker 5: about the Patriots and the Cowboys, it makes a lot
Speaker 5: of sense. From Dallas's perspective, I don't know if you're
Speaker 5: going to find a quarterback in the fifth round that
Speaker 5: gives you a better chance or a better prospect than
Speaker 5: Joe Milton does. I mean, how many quarterbacks are you
Speaker 5: going to find that are six five two and forty
Speaker 5: seven pounds and can throw the ball eight hundred yards.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're just not going to find that very often.
Speaker 5: So that's somebody that's worth taking a shot on. From
Speaker 5: New England's perspective, they use a sixth round pick on
Speaker 5: him last year after taking Drake May third overall, and
Speaker 5: they get to move up in this year's draft from
Speaker 5: it and only give up a seventh in return. So
Speaker 5: I think it's win win for both sides. Joe Milton's
Speaker 5: last year at Tennessee looked pretty good when he was
Speaker 5: playing at his best twenty touchdowns to only five picks.
Speaker 5: Volunteers as a whole weren't really all that great that year,
Speaker 5: but he showed you something. And then that last game
Speaker 5: of the season, like you guys were talking about when
Speaker 5: he started against Buffalo's second team defense at twenty two
Speaker 5: for twenty nine for two hundred and forty one yards,
Speaker 5: a touchdown, and then ran ten times for sixteen yards
Speaker 5: and another score. So this is a guy who I
Speaker 5: think if you get some more snaps whenever they come across,
Speaker 5: whether it be you know you're gonna blowout and you
Speaker 5: get to put him in there, or you're getting blown
Speaker 5: out and you get to put him in there, kind
Speaker 5: of like what you've seen with Cooper Rush over.
Speaker 4: The lot like the second years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you shouldn't, but it happens, It happens. I think
Speaker 5: he's positioned himself very well to be the backup quarterback
Speaker 5: here and if if it was today, I think he is.
Speaker 5: He would be my pick.
Speaker 2: Over a Willgreer.
Speaker 5: And that's not a shot at Will Greer saying he
Speaker 5: can't compete for the spot. I just think Joe Milton
Speaker 5: gives you more options.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all about the ceiling and the skill set
Speaker 2: and how it matches up. We had heard from Brian
Speaker 2: Schottenheimer years past that it does matter what the skill
Speaker 2: set looks like, and he wants it to match up
Speaker 2: correctly with Dak Prescott. I think Joe Milton is a
Speaker 2: guy that's not a carbon copy of the two. But
Speaker 2: if you're looking at Will Greer or Dak Prescott, you
Speaker 2: could say the skill set not talent level, but the
Speaker 2: skill set it mirrors Dak a little bit more so
Speaker 2: than what Will Griers would. So it is kind of
Speaker 2: an interesting tidbit. Plus, I went back and looked at
Speaker 2: his draft grade last year. I had him as the
Speaker 2: Cowboys fit in the Draft magazine last year, which is
Speaker 2: another reason why you should buy the draft magazine. But
Speaker 2: I had him as the Cowboys fit last year. And
Speaker 2: if I were to take his grade and move it
Speaker 2: without even putting his NFL body of work into it
Speaker 2: from last year to this year, he would be QB
Speaker 2: eight on my list.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: So and the guys that I have in front of
Speaker 2: him would be cam Ward of course, Jackson, Dard s Sheder Sanders,
Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe, quin Yours, Riley, Leonard, Will Howard. That's it's
Speaker 2: those are the guys. So if you're not going to
Speaker 2: draft one of those guys where you don't want to
Speaker 2: spend a first, second or third round pick, which we've
Speaker 2: talked about that as a scenario on this show before
Speaker 2: you didn't feel comfortable doing that. You feel pretty good
Speaker 2: about Joe Milton. I think it's pretty consensus across Cowboys Nation,
Speaker 2: which it's never really consistent, completely consensus, But this is
Speaker 2: about as good of a move as you could make,
Speaker 2: moving down forty six spots in the draft and picking
Speaker 2: up a legitimate need that you were going to draft
Speaker 2: in the first place anyways, without actually spending a quality
Speaker 2: pick on it. And you still get to pick in
Speaker 2: the fifth. Yep, you still get a couple swings at
Speaker 2: it in the sixth, and you get an opportunity in
Speaker 2: the seventh ten, and so yeah, you're just fine. Actually,
Speaker 2: you get two picks in the fifth, two in the sixth,
Speaker 2: and you got three in the second. It's all even doubt,
Speaker 2: and you get rid of a need that or you
Speaker 2: get a need that you were going to have to
Speaker 2: address anyways.
Speaker 3: I think one of the only knocks that you can
Speaker 3: really have for him right now is that he hasn't
Speaker 3: had a lot of attempts in his career.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously only had twenty nine.
Speaker 2: And you say the same thing for Trey Lance though.
Speaker 3: Exactly that was going to be the exact comparison that
Speaker 3: I made. It's another project in a way, but I
Speaker 3: think there's more upside here, given that he did play
Speaker 3: a great game last year in Buffalo.
Speaker 5: There's more upset and I think there's going to be
Speaker 5: more opportunity to because Cooper Rush has been the staple
Speaker 5: at that backup quarterback spot for the last however many
Speaker 5: years he's been in Dallas, So now it's kind of like, Okay, well,
Speaker 5: Cooper Rush is not there anymore. There's no real veteran
Speaker 5: presence in that room. I don't know if we would
Speaker 5: categorize will Career as veteran.
Speaker 2: I don't think I would, But there's no in terms
Speaker 2: of playing time. No, But he's been around the.
Speaker 1: League in the league, yes, yeah, he's moved around the
Speaker 1: league loose, but.
Speaker 5: I'm speaking more about playing game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get right.
Speaker 5: So if that's what we're banking on here, and you know,
Speaker 5: you bank on your backup quarterback to come in and
Speaker 5: facilitate for you when you need it, you're not necessarily
Speaker 5: planning to have what we had last year, where Okay,
Speaker 5: you know, Joe Milton's gonna have to start the last
Speaker 5: ten games of the season, right, So if it's a
Speaker 5: if it's a one game two drive scenario that Joe
Speaker 5: Milton's needed for, I think that's an excellent spot for him.
Speaker 5: And I think that those kinds of reps, slowly but
Speaker 5: surely are going to get him to where he needs
Speaker 5: to go.
Speaker 3: And another thing that he's not like that Deck isn't
Speaker 3: able to give you is that he's a dual threat.
Speaker 3: He can run when he needs to, and he can
Speaker 3: escape when he needs to.
Speaker 4: I think what we've.
Speaker 3: Talked about Dak in the last couple of years is
Speaker 3: that he's not as mobile as he used to be,
Speaker 3: and nor do you really want him to be as
Speaker 3: mobile as he used to be, just based on the
Speaker 3: injuries that he's gotten. But I think with a guy
Speaker 3: like this that is athletic and has that dual threat,
Speaker 3: you can get something out of him that you weren't
Speaker 3: able to get out of Tree Lance whenever he was
Speaker 3: in the game and he saw that.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I don't go to cut you off, but you
Speaker 5: saw that athleticism on display, and just how he's able
Speaker 5: to maneuver the pocket when it kind of breaks down
Speaker 5: in that game against Buffalo last year where you know
Speaker 5: he's rolling out and the strength of his arm is
Speaker 5: such a weapon. It's really unlike a lot of what
Speaker 5: you've seen ever because there's that one play where he
Speaker 5: rolls towards the sideline. I don't know who he threw
Speaker 5: it to. The touchdown didn't count. It's a crime that
Speaker 5: it didn't count. It should have stood thanks to the
Speaker 5: rule of cool. He just rifles it and it just
Speaker 5: looks effortless. He's on the move, the sideline's coming right
Speaker 5: on him, and he just rifles it into a perfect
Speaker 5: spot that's hard to find. That's really hard to find nowadays.
Speaker 5: And I think that you know, if you're able to
Speaker 5: capitalize off of that when the opportunities come, because again,
Speaker 5: this is Dak Prescott's job, and it's going to be
Speaker 5: that way until he furthered, until he decided to hang
Speaker 5: it up or leaves. But that's I think that that
Speaker 5: kind of skill set, in that kind of trade of
Speaker 5: something that you've got a really high floor that you're
Speaker 5: building off of.
Speaker 6: With Joe Milton, what I'll add to those excellent points
Speaker 6: is the fact that one of the biggest concerns of
Speaker 6: Trey Lance coming into the league, even as a third
Speaker 6: overall pick, was that he didn't have a lot of
Speaker 6: experience coming into the league with North Dakota State as
Speaker 6: far as games played in game start, Yeah, really I
Speaker 6: think it right eighteen give or take. But when you're
Speaker 6: talking about Milton between Michigan and Tennessee, he had forty
Speaker 6: three games that he that he took the field for. So,
Speaker 6: although he's a one year guy, which makes him kind
Speaker 6: of like a pseudo rookie for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Young three years under contract sheep as a lot of
Speaker 1: contract quarterback sheep as far as expense goes, and he
Speaker 1: entered the league with a ton more actual collegiate experience
Speaker 1: than Trey Lance did. So I say that to say,
Speaker 1: you know, are there some some things he needs to
Speaker 1: improve upon. Absolutely.
Speaker 6: We keep talking about how much of a canon his
Speaker 6: arm is, and that's absolutely true.
Speaker 1: He can't teach that, right.
Speaker 6: He has an Anthony Richardson kind of cannon, but in
Speaker 6: the same breath, and he needs to work on his
Speaker 6: ability to put touch on the ball. So that was
Speaker 6: something that concerned me time and time and gain with
Speaker 6: Trey Lance. So Trey Lance doesn't have the cannon that
Speaker 6: Milton had, But Trey Lance also struggled with the touch
Speaker 6: so if Milton can kind of refine that and put
Speaker 6: some touch on that ball, then we're really talking about
Speaker 6: a good QB competition behind behind Risco.
Speaker 2: This turns into like one of those those I can
Speaker 2: fix some sort of conversation coaches. Coaches feel like they
Speaker 2: can fix a guy and that all these other guys
Speaker 2: have just gotten it wrong all the way through, and
Speaker 2: then you kind of figure you put the match it together.
Speaker 2: But the opportunity is there one.
Speaker 4: Hundred percent, but there hasn't been a big enough sample
Speaker 4: size for him.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I don't know if it's about fixing
Speaker 3: him more is refining his the skill set that he
Speaker 3: does have.
Speaker 2: It's funny because Tommy brought up the Buffalo game, and
Speaker 2: everybody's talking about this Buffalo game because that's what we have.
Speaker 4: That's what's all we got.
Speaker 2: That's what we've got that in pre season tape, even
Speaker 2: that I think was limited to a certain extent.
Speaker 4: And less than four hundred steps of Tennessee and then.
Speaker 2: His Tennessee tape, which is Tennessee tape. I even wrote it.
Speaker 2: I'm reading my article from him last year. But a
Speaker 2: lot to be intrigued about when studying Joe Milton had
Speaker 2: success at Tennessee Want some big games during his time
Speaker 2: with the Volunteers. Additionally, he boast a fantastic athletic profile
Speaker 2: that resembles a tank more than a quarterback because he
Speaker 2: can run the ball and he's got an absolute cannon
Speaker 2: at straped to him, you know, like he's got that too.
Speaker 2: How teaching guidance will be needed fundamentally at the professional level.
Speaker 2: That's what I've got here. So I think there's ways
Speaker 2: that you've got to You've got to have the right
Speaker 2: teaching and the right leadership to put him in those spots.
Speaker 2: But this isn't gonna We're not saying the Cowboys are
Speaker 2: winning the Super Bowl. Where go ahead and book your
Speaker 2: your your your tickets to Santa Clara in February of
Speaker 2: next year. Like, that's not what we're saying. What we
Speaker 2: are saying is that this is a solid move to
Speaker 2: pick up a backup quarterback and it helps your depth
Speaker 2: of your football team, and it could help the future
Speaker 2: of your football team too if it works out.
Speaker 4: Now, just just a little tiny overreaction, all right, guys,
Speaker 4: tiny what is winning?
Speaker 3: What is his QB comparison at his best?
Speaker 2: Like current I had Kyle Trask. I like it as
Speaker 2: as the guy last year I had Kyle Trask. I
Speaker 2: don't think Kyle Trask has the same arm talent as
Speaker 2: Joe Milton, though, and I think at least from a
Speaker 2: because Kyle Trask is still in the league right, yes,
Speaker 2: he still bounce around somewhere. Is he still in Tampa Bay?
Speaker 1: I don't know I that he's still in Tampa.
Speaker 4: You signed with Tampa Bay?
Speaker 2: He may have. But I think as a solid backup
Speaker 2: quarterback with some upside to be a starter at some
Speaker 2: point in time doesn't mean it's this year or next year.
Speaker 2: I think I would probably. I don't know if I
Speaker 2: hate that comparison, but I don't know if I'm fully
Speaker 2: on board with Kyle Trask the way that may have
Speaker 2: been as a college guy.
Speaker 4: Pat, do you have comparison?
Speaker 7: Hmm?
Speaker 1: I honestly, and this isn't going to sound lovely, given the.
Speaker 2: Nothing you're going to say is going to sound lovely.
Speaker 2: You're either going to get over what do you mean? Culture?
Speaker 6: I disagree. My wife disagrees. She says, I have a lovely.
Speaker 2: Talking about your voice I'm talking about, which means every
Speaker 2: comparing quarterbacks I'm sure half of the people. I mean,
Speaker 2: I have already vomited once, I said Kyle Trask.
Speaker 6: Yeah really I said it. I said it in my
Speaker 6: in the Take a few minutes ago. I think it's
Speaker 6: Anthony Richardson. The comp is Anthony Richson. I think you
Speaker 6: talked about a two quarterbacks who are dual threat, who
Speaker 6: can you know, throw it a mile, who can take
Speaker 6: off and run. They're big, they're strong, they're physical, they're
Speaker 6: hard to you know, get on the ground if you
Speaker 6: if you know it's you versus it's the linebacker versus
Speaker 6: they're more smaller safety versus them or something like that.
Speaker 6: But much like Richardson, the touch is not necessarily the
Speaker 6: accuracy needs to be worked on, so huge upside, but
Speaker 6: you know, the upside has to be I mean, it's
Speaker 6: not going to be achieved unless these coaches shot in
Speaker 6: high and Clayton Adams and they can get their hands
Speaker 6: on him and actually figure out what which switches to
Speaker 6: hit within him to achieve this.
Speaker 1: So for me, it's Anthony.
Speaker 2: Richards Anthony's probably a better runner, specifically, like he's probably
Speaker 2: a better straight up runner, speed, ad agility, that kind
Speaker 2: of thing. And then Milton's probably a better arm talent,
Speaker 2: so it kind of counteracts to each other a little bit,
Speaker 2: you know, like in terms of arm strength and throw
Speaker 2: power and that kind of great.
Speaker 5: I got one from this quarterback class. Oh, I think
Speaker 5: Joe Milton is a taller, less quick Jalen Milroe because
Speaker 5: Jalen Milroe can absolutely launch the football interesting, but he
Speaker 5: doesn't sometimes just doesn't have that touch. He's not as
Speaker 5: great in that short intermediate game. They've both got cannons
Speaker 5: of an arm in terms of what they can do
Speaker 5: with the deep ball. I think Milton's got the edge
Speaker 5: a little bit there, but then again he's kind of
Speaker 5: in his own class with that. And then I mean,
Speaker 5: Milroe's legs are what completely changes his game. But Milton
Speaker 5: can run too. I'm not saying that he's, you know,
Speaker 5: gonna break away from everybody on a yard touchdown. Every
Speaker 5: other play can hit you with that home run ability,
Speaker 5: but he's still more than mobile. And so I think that,
Speaker 5: you know, you look at these two guys and they
Speaker 5: they kind of remind me a lot of each other.
Speaker 5: Milton's obviously a little bit bigger, but they're both just
Speaker 5: so stocky in what they're able to. I mean, look
Speaker 5: at how Milro's built. His legs are tree trunk. He's
Speaker 5: built like a linebacker you can see in that film there.
Speaker 5: And like I said, what where Milroe changes the game
Speaker 5: is with his legs. But I mean, you just look
Speaker 5: at this clip right here. He's got that can of
Speaker 5: an arm. Obviously, I think Milton's got a little bit
Speaker 5: more rifle to his right, but we got to put
Speaker 5: the right clip up there. They're making me look bad here.
Speaker 5: But no, but but Milroe, I think since since his
Speaker 5: days of Tompkin High School is right here, that's exactly
Speaker 5: what his specialty is, right and I think Milton gives
Speaker 5: you that too. I think where Milroe is more accurate
Speaker 5: with that deep ball, whereas Milton can really just toss
Speaker 5: it up there and make it look effortless when he
Speaker 5: does that. But a lot of the same kind of
Speaker 5: traits in their games. And then this is where Milroe
Speaker 5: changes the game right here, because if he gets space,
Speaker 5: it's game over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree. I like your your your sentiment there.
Speaker 2: I think Milroe will be a probably a third round,
Speaker 2: fourth round guy, so even I mean if he goes
Speaker 2: before that, either way, the Cowboys aren't going to take him.
Speaker 5: I think he's going earlier.
Speaker 2: That's fair.
Speaker 5: He got a draft invite and accepted it. That's not
Speaker 5: the end all be all in terms of when he
Speaker 5: gets picked. But if he's a first round or a
Speaker 5: second round pick, don't be surprised. I think somebody's going
Speaker 5: to bank on his traits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty wild.
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Speaker 2: let's we talked a lot about Joe Milton. Yes we did,
Speaker 2: because that's the biggest news of the week for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: But I kind of want to go off of some
Speaker 2: of these these is on Dallas coowboys dot Com as
Speaker 2: well Decisions Decisions. There was a gentleman that had a
Speaker 2: mock draft Monday on Dallascowboys dot com. His name his
Speaker 2: name is Tommy Yarish. Stay, I know, so I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go through. I'm going to go through some of these
Speaker 2: listed mock drafts right that he's listed here, and I
Speaker 2: want you to give me a thumbs upper, a thumbs down,
Speaker 2: no grade system. Either it's good or it's bad. You
Speaker 2: like it or you don't like it. And we're going
Speaker 2: to go through kind of what each of these drafts
Speaker 2: analysis draft analysts think about their their possible draft pick.
Speaker 2: Let's start with one of the guys who's been doing
Speaker 2: it the longest, mel kiper Jr. Out of ESPN. Mel
Speaker 2: kiper Junior had the Cowboys taken a running back in
Speaker 2: the first round at twelve overall. But his name was
Speaker 2: not Ashton Gent. His name is Omarion Hampton, running back
Speaker 2: from North Carolina. Thumbs upper, thumbs down, pat.
Speaker 6: Thumbs up on the player, thumbs down on the value
Speaker 6: of that particular pick. No way, I'm taking Hampton at twelve. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I love him for it later, but not at twelve.
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think at twelve? At twelve?
Speaker 4: At twelve, I'm gonna give you that is right time, je.
Speaker 5: It was it was at twelve.
Speaker 2: There you go right back down there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thumbs down.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it kind of the same thing as
Speaker 2: Patrick as thumbs up for the player. I love Mary Hampton.
Speaker 2: If he ends up being at forty four, I'm all
Speaker 2: for Boom. I don't think it's going to be a
Speaker 2: twelve overall pick. Twelve is tough, twelve is fairy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely no way at twelve. And that's nothing against
Speaker 5: Maria and Hampton think he's a great player. I've got
Speaker 5: guys above him. I think I'm a wady too lower
Speaker 5: on him than some other folks.
Speaker 1: Are.
Speaker 2: You have running backs above him?
Speaker 5: I have Caleb Johnson from Iowa above a lot of
Speaker 5: people do.
Speaker 2: I still have him as RB four, still a second
Speaker 2: round pick, but I have Henderson and Hampton above.
Speaker 5: Him, and I don't think Travion Henderson is that far
Speaker 5: behind Hampton in my I think I think Henderson is
Speaker 5: just a straight up home run hitter. And again, this
Speaker 5: running back class is so good that Hampton being RB
Speaker 5: four in that stack is not necessarily like, oh, this
Speaker 5: guy's a mid second round pick and he's not going
Speaker 5: to translate to much. I think he has an incredibly
Speaker 5: high ceiling in this league if he goes to the
Speaker 5: right scheme, and I think Dallas would work out great
Speaker 5: for him because he can play on three downs and
Speaker 5: he can give you everything you're looking for in the back.
Speaker 5: But at twelve, I think there's bigger needs and value
Speaker 5: better players on the board for Dallas at that spot.
Speaker 3: I do got to say, as the de facto webmaster
Speaker 3: of Dallas, cow Hampton has some of the best photos
Speaker 3: of any player in the draft.
Speaker 5: North Carolina's uniform niforms so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, best, So that moves his stock up for you.
Speaker 1: So makes some good at twelve would.
Speaker 4: Be it would make grid headline. I'll tell you right now,
Speaker 4: that center piece.
Speaker 2: First overall pick.
Speaker 5: And it's Tennessee tight.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever been out to like
Speaker 2: Chapel Hill and like been out there. Trees and the
Speaker 2: triangle is what they call it with like Raleigh and
Speaker 2: Durham and and and I know you've been in that direction,
Speaker 2: the triangle. Yeah, but they like all of that. Like
Speaker 2: Chapel Hill is perfectly covered in that like baby blue
Speaker 2: it is. Oh, it's so clean, it's such a good look.
Speaker 2: Great basketball arena is all blue. It's just perfect.
Speaker 1: Then you go to Durham and you see that ugly blue.
Speaker 2: So you were happy on Saturday that Houston took care
Speaker 2: of business.
Speaker 6: Oh, absolutely, And they almost did it for me again
Speaker 6: last night.
Speaker 1: Just get this, get the shot.
Speaker 2: Off man shout out to the Florida Gators. But that
Speaker 2: was a heartbreaker, Houston. I'll shout out Florida. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to get some college basketball, all right. Bucky Brooks from
Speaker 2: NFL dot com, friend of the Draft Show and a
Speaker 2: relatively well known contributor to Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Bucky said,
Speaker 2: Armandmembu offensive linemen from Missouri offensive tackle more specifically, they're
Speaker 2: at twelve for the Cowboys. What do you think, Tommy
Speaker 2: on that one?
Speaker 5: It's an interesting one because I think you when you
Speaker 5: look at this offensive line, Brian Schottenheimer wants to put
Speaker 5: the best five out there. Do you feel like they
Speaker 5: have a five right now? That's fairly strong. You compete
Speaker 5: in a division where the line of scrimmage is so important. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's up for the Cowboys to answer. I think they
Speaker 5: need the skill position players more than they need the
Speaker 5: trenches early in this draft, so I would go thumbs down.
Speaker 5: But Membu is a heck of a player. He's a
Speaker 5: heck of an athlete, and I think if you look
Speaker 5: at him at guards specifically, it's an intriguing option for
Speaker 5: the Cowboys. It would be the boring pick. But I
Speaker 5: don't I think I would rather if you had put
Speaker 5: Membu or Hampton in front of me, I would put
Speaker 5: I would take Membo.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna go thumbs down on this one.
Speaker 3: I feel the collective sigh from the Dallas Cow's Nation.
Speaker 3: To pick another first round offensive lineman in that spot,
Speaker 3: in a spot so high when you have a need
Speaker 3: for skill position, I think would be really tough. I
Speaker 3: guess my sort of first gut reaction to a pick
Speaker 3: like that would be like, that's great, you know, it
Speaker 3: would be nice to have. I mean, it sounds weird.
Speaker 3: I don't want another ring of honor guy that doesn't
Speaker 3: get a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to win a super Bowl. I get it. Oh,
Speaker 2: like you want ring of honor guys that are gonna
Speaker 2: have rings exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're picking the best guy that's going
Speaker 3: to be at his position, that's great. But give me
Speaker 3: a guy that's gonna win me some games. Dude, I
Speaker 3: think I need a skill position.
Speaker 6: If we were in an episode of Stranger Things and
Speaker 6: we were in the upside down and your thumbs up,
Speaker 6: but we're in the real world, so it's thumbs down.
Speaker 6: Because I'm taking I'm taking a skill position at twelve.
Speaker 6: I'm taking skill position because in order for you to
Speaker 6: convince me that this would be okay, I first need
Speaker 6: to know who went off the board first. Like, let's
Speaker 6: assume Gent is off the board. Is Ted also off
Speaker 6: the board? Teed McMillan, is he also.
Speaker 1: Off the board?
Speaker 6: If both are off the board, why are you still
Speaker 6: at twelve? Is my thought process. Bail out, move back
Speaker 6: a few picks, try to get that fourth, try to
Speaker 6: get some additional capital, and you know, still pick in
Speaker 6: the middle of the first round. But yeah, I don't
Speaker 6: look at it as and this is not a shot
Speaker 6: to Memble. I think that he can be something for real,
Speaker 6: but offensive tackle. You just spent a first round room
Speaker 6: guy and whatever you think about guy, and just know
Speaker 6: that the Cowboys are not gonna bail on him in
Speaker 6: year two after giving up a first round pick to
Speaker 6: get him. And then on the opposite side, I guess
Speaker 6: I'm of the few, the select few, that liked what
Speaker 6: they saw on the back end of the last season
Speaker 6: with Terrence Steele coming along. Yeah, So being that I
Speaker 6: like what I'm seeing with Terrence Steele, kind of getting
Speaker 6: back to form, and I know the Cowboys aren't moving
Speaker 6: off of Tyler Goutton in year or two of a
Speaker 6: first round pick from last year.
Speaker 1: Why are you sitting at twelve? I ten and Gentier going?
Speaker 6: And if neither of them are going, why is this
Speaker 6: year pick based on Bucky Brooks's Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's a good question because I think if you're
Speaker 2: taking an offensive lineman in the first round, you're bumping somebody.
Speaker 2: You're either bumping Terrence Steele, you're moving, Cooper Beebe, You're
Speaker 2: moving Tyler Goeyton, You're moving. You're not gonna move Tyler Smith.
Speaker 2: He's probably the one guy that a first round pick
Speaker 2: would not even move. And if I'm looking at Arman
Speaker 2: Membo as a possibility in the first round, I think
Speaker 2: you would have to move Tyler Smith if right, that
Speaker 2: would be the first thing you would probably think about.
Speaker 2: I'm not moving an all pro from the guards box.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that. But I think Mimbu would probably
Speaker 2: fit best as a left guard or a left tackle.
Speaker 2: You already have a left tackle and Tyler Geiden that
Speaker 2: would be the one I would move if Mimbu's there.
Speaker 2: I still don't feel super confident about that though, because
Speaker 2: then I would have to swing him to right tackle,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, terrence Steel's a question,
Speaker 2: and then the domino start falling. I'm gonna give a
Speaker 2: thumbs up for the player. I actually am of the
Speaker 2: mindset that he's not even gonna be there at twelve.
Speaker 2: I think somebody early in front of him takes him,
Speaker 2: and so the player is there and the value is there.
Speaker 2: If you're talking legitimate BPA, he would be a conversation
Speaker 2: because that's BPA, and then figure out the rest. If
Speaker 2: you're doing that, I'm not I'm not gonna be upset
Speaker 2: about it because you're taking a damn good football player.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna say thumbs down just because of the fit.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of a weird scenario. And I'm kind
Speaker 2: of with you guys in the fact that it would
Speaker 2: take a lot for me to move around. I think
Speaker 2: if there was a spot where you could say, oh,
Speaker 2: don't worry, he's we don't have a left tackle, he's
Speaker 2: your left tackle, or oh don't worry, we don't have
Speaker 2: a right guard, he'll fit great at right guard, I
Speaker 2: think i'd feel more more opportune about it. I just
Speaker 2: think there's too many other moves that are gonna have
Speaker 2: to happen and happen to work for you in order
Speaker 2: to make the pick actually work out.
Speaker 3: Question though, is the second round too early for you
Speaker 3: guys for an offensive line period?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, I could take it, but I'm taking
Speaker 2: a right guard in that spot right or a center
Speaker 2: or somebody that I really like there, and then move
Speaker 2: bb out the guard and then you're feeling pretty good there.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to take an offensive lineman
Speaker 2: in the second But let's say like a Kelvin Banks
Speaker 2: from Texas falls or a Will Campbell from LSU somehow falls,
Speaker 2: then you can maybe have that comedy, you.
Speaker 5: Have the conversation, But I still think you need skill players.
Speaker 2: I agree, all right. Speaking of skilled players, how about
Speaker 2: Lance zer Lion, also from NFL dot Com. He usually
Speaker 2: has a pretty good beat on what the Cowboys are
Speaker 2: doing when they get closer to the draft. There's a
Speaker 2: little secret if you see his mock draft like week
Speaker 2: of the draft, keep an eye on and kind of bookmarket.
Speaker 2: Matthew Golden, wide receiver from Texas is who he had there. Tommy,
Speaker 2: I know you were down there at Texas Pro Day
Speaker 2: you feel like that's the right fit for the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: Fit twelve fit is the question because you can line
Speaker 5: Matthew Golden up outsigned. But if you look at him
Speaker 5: against a Tet McMillan, right, McMillan's got the size, he's
Speaker 5: got the catch radius, he's got the fifty to fifty
Speaker 5: ball ability. Whereas Golden, you're going to be saying, Okay,
Speaker 5: we're banking on you to win your routes, to outrun
Speaker 5: guys and get the fifty to fifty balls at a
Speaker 5: much less rate than you would if you're throwing Tet McMillan.
Speaker 5: But I think he's a savvy route runner. He gets open,
Speaker 5: he can blow past the guy, he can create separation.
Speaker 5: You saw what he was able to do at the
Speaker 5: combine running wise, he run one of the best forties
Speaker 5: I think, if not the best forty for a wide receiver.
Speaker 5: Really got the combine, and so back end of the
Speaker 5: season he was incredibly productive for Texas and the College
Speaker 5: Football Playoff, and so there's a lot like with Matthew Golden.
Speaker 5: I think though, if you've got Golden and McMillan both
Speaker 5: on the board, because of what McMillan gives you from
Speaker 5: a catch radius and fifty to fifty ball standpoint, because
Speaker 5: the Cowboys just need that big ex receiver. I feel
Speaker 5: like to compliment Seedee Lamb, that's the question. But Matthew
Speaker 5: Golden is a heck of a player and I think
Speaker 5: that if you paired him with Seedy Lamb a lot
Speaker 5: of good things would come from it. The question would
Speaker 5: be he can line up in the slot too. He
Speaker 5: line up in the slot to a lot of Texas.
Speaker 5: So where do you work Seeding Lamb into that? Because
Speaker 5: you've got to make sure that he is still the
Speaker 5: most prominent part of your offense. And so how does
Speaker 5: Matthew Golden compliment that? Is he better on the outside
Speaker 5: than in the slot? Do you feel like that's the
Speaker 5: question that the Cowboys would have to answer if they
Speaker 5: picked Matthew Golden. But he's a heck of a player
Speaker 5: and I think it would be a thumbs up pick
Speaker 5: for me.
Speaker 3: Is it more likely or less likely that Ted has
Speaker 3: gone before Golden?
Speaker 5: I would say it's more likely.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think that the media landscape, the media pundits in
Speaker 5: the draft are overthinking Ted McMillan a lot, and that's
Speaker 5: why he's sliding in these mock drafts.
Speaker 2: Teams aren't.
Speaker 5: I don't think teams are. I think he's that good
Speaker 5: of a player. And you can talk about the top
Speaker 5: end speed, whatever, You're not going to find an athlete
Speaker 5: like that at the receiver position anywhere else in this class.
Speaker 5: I mean, just what he's able to do in the air,
Speaker 5: it's really incredible. And he's just so acrobatic, can make
Speaker 5: any catch. You throw him any ball fifty to fifty
Speaker 5: and he's just a matchup nightmare.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So why is he falling?
Speaker 2: Do we know?
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. I'm saying that just over he's
Speaker 5: falling in the in the draft world like of mock.
Speaker 4: Draft pundits are right dialogue.
Speaker 5: I don't know if he's if he's sliding that much
Speaker 5: from an NFL team standpoint, if he slides past I
Speaker 5: don't think so.
Speaker 2: If he slides past twelve, we ran through the simulation
Speaker 2: on the Draft Show and did our own little mock
Speaker 2: draft there. But if he slides past twelve in the Cowboys,
Speaker 2: thirteenth through nineteen is going to be interesting because those
Speaker 2: teams don't necessarily need wide receiver help right away. They
Speaker 2: don't need first round wide receiver help, and they've got
Speaker 2: a lot of other needs that they could possibly hit there.
Speaker 2: So if the Cowboys wanted to trade back, and we
Speaker 2: actually did in that scenario traded back to eighteen with
Speaker 2: the Seattle Seahawks, if you can find a dance partner
Speaker 2: to kind of trade in that area, you may still
Speaker 2: get Tech and feel pretty good about it. But he's
Speaker 2: got to get there to twelve first, like you got
Speaker 2: to see what's available there at twelve. And I think
Speaker 2: the Cowboys are so wide receiver hungry, I don't think
Speaker 2: they would play around with it. I think they would
Speaker 2: get a guy like Matthew Golden or Tech McMillan if
Speaker 2: he's there.
Speaker 5: And the other question too, you mentioned sliding. If he
Speaker 5: does slide, I think it's a question of, Okay, what
Speaker 5: are the teams in front of Dallas need? What are
Speaker 5: their positions of need? Right Like when you look at
Speaker 5: this sport, if we're looking for places where Tech McMillan
Speaker 5: could fall early on, I think if you look at
Speaker 5: New England and Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter are off
Speaker 5: the table, Okay, do you want to give Drake May
Speaker 5: his best receiving weapon yet or do you try to
Speaker 5: find your left tackle of the future there and a
Speaker 5: guy like Will Campbell. So that's the question with the Patriots,
Speaker 5: and you slide further down. Does do the Panthers want
Speaker 5: to give Bryce Young a solid wide receiver one option
Speaker 5: or do they want to go on the defensive side
Speaker 5: of the ball and bolster their pass rush. You could
Speaker 5: argue that New Orleans could be looking for a guy
Speaker 5: to complement Chris o'lave in that room. So there are
Speaker 5: questions as to whether or not a team in front
Speaker 5: of Dallas is going to look for that. I mean,
Speaker 5: even you can make the argument for San Francisco, given
Speaker 5: how how much it looks like they're going to pay
Speaker 5: Brock Purdy and they're kind of just selling everybody right now,
Speaker 5: is that a team that looks at him. So it's
Speaker 5: just an interesting argument of Okay, do you really need
Speaker 5: wide receiver early on? And do you bank on a
Speaker 5: guy like McMillan's talent or is he going to slide?
Speaker 5: Because frankly, teams just aren't really in need of a
Speaker 5: wide receiver even though this class is so loaded at
Speaker 5: the position.
Speaker 2: So you would you give it thumbs up or thumbs down?
Speaker 5: McMillan, no Golden thumbs up.
Speaker 2: Thumbs up for Golden quickly before we go to our
Speaker 2: second break.
Speaker 1: Thumbs up for the player, thumbs down taking them at twelve.
Speaker 4: Okay, thumbs down, trade down a little bit.
Speaker 1: You know, Golden is a trade back and get guy
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go thumbs up. I think he's that
Speaker 2: good of a player.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 2: He'll be sorry.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna cut you up. I don't think if you
Speaker 5: trade back he's there.
Speaker 1: Depends on how far you're dancing.
Speaker 2: For dancing, you would have to dance fairly far.
Speaker 5: And this is definitely a guy that I could see
Speaker 5: somebody trading up to get. If somebody sees him that
Speaker 5: that highly is.
Speaker 2: Tit going, he could be.
Speaker 5: He very well could.
Speaker 1: If tit is going, then it changes because then you're
Speaker 1: getting instead of.
Speaker 6: White, and I'm at least willing to have the converse.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to say it changes, but let's talk
Speaker 6: about it.
Speaker 1: I think point if.
Speaker 5: Ted and genty are gone at twelve, you trade back.
Speaker 2: I think, right, That's what I'm saying, right, I think
Speaker 2: we're all in agreement.
Speaker 5: And McMillan and Golden at twelve, you pick McMillan.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I have a freaking almost shout out.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Andrew. He actually pointed out I completely
Speaker 2: had a flub. I don't know why I said Membo
Speaker 2: was a left tackle.
Speaker 1: He's right.
Speaker 2: He's a right side play which in the magazine like
Speaker 2: it's it's in front of like I have it right here.
Speaker 2: He played right guard and right tackle. I don't know
Speaker 2: why hasn't had their That's on me. Yeah, sorry, I
Speaker 2: didn't get my black rifle coffee to kick in in time,
Speaker 2: so that's on me.
Speaker 1: What happened. Yes, we don't get oats in the morning anymore.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna change my answer on Membou
Speaker 2: because now that I'm of right sound in mind, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say thumbs up, because he's gonna be a hell
Speaker 2: of a player, and he might be your right guard
Speaker 2: of the future. And then you don't have to move
Speaker 2: anybody around. You can have Cooper b b at center,
Speaker 2: you can have Terrence Steel at right tackle. You're gonna
Speaker 2: throw the ball to God, You're gonna You're gonna be
Speaker 2: just fine. They're gonna be figured. We're gonna figure it
Speaker 2: out in the second, figure it out in the second round,
Speaker 2: memboo falls give me a thumbs up. Well, change my answer.
Speaker 2: Thank you Andrew for pointing that out, because I don't
Speaker 2: know why I'm an idiot. All right, let's take our
Speaker 2: second break. When we come back, I've got two more
Speaker 2: names that were on these mock drafts that I want
Speaker 2: to get two thumbs up or thumbs down more of this.
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Speaker 1: Is it? Yep?
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Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: What's murdered out is the flavor. And it is as
Speaker 3: dark as night, very dark, no wonder you're having a
Speaker 3: great Yeah, what's darker than night?
Speaker 2: The dark knight? All right? Matt Miller ESPN says Tyler
Speaker 2: Warren tight end from Penn State, will be the Cowboys
Speaker 2: pick at twelve. This is probably the most wild card
Speaker 2: name that I've seen out of the the The article
Speaker 2: Patrick seems to agree, were taken as he set off
Speaker 2: Penn steak tight end, best tight end in the draft.
Speaker 2: A lot of people are are really high on him
Speaker 2: in the media circles. Not sure what teams think. I
Speaker 2: think the teams like him. Could be an impact tight end,
Speaker 2: could be brock Bowers, could be him. What say you?
Speaker 2: Tight end? Arguably stand though, but no not. I'm a
Speaker 2: Fergie stand I don't. I don't mind.
Speaker 1: You're a fan of potential, and I think you have.
Speaker 2: I think he'll have a bounce back here.
Speaker 6: He'll be fine, especially as long as Dak remains on
Speaker 6: the field, because I think that that's the key for
Speaker 6: Ferguson as well as for remaining I.
Speaker 2: Think Joe Milton throwing ninety five miles per hour down.
Speaker 6: But arguably the position that lead that needs the least
Speaker 6: amount of assistance in the draft. Right now, you're going
Speaker 6: to spend the twelfth overall pick on it. I could
Speaker 6: not hate that more and that's my So. Is that
Speaker 6: a double thumbs that's double thumbs down?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there, No, thank you. I love Tyler
Speaker 2: Warren as a prospect not here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 5: I think that he's he gives you a lot of
Speaker 5: versatility in the way you can use him just because
Speaker 5: he's a receiver in a tight end's body. I think
Speaker 5: is the way that I would put it, and that
Speaker 5: was kind of on display in his last year at
Speaker 5: Penn State. I think Penn statement a great highre with
Speaker 5: Andy Coldle Nicky as their offensive coordinator because he likes
Speaker 5: to put a bunch of fun wrinkles in his offense
Speaker 5: and have guys do a lot of different things. You
Speaker 5: remember his time at Kansas, That's when Jaylen Daniels was
Speaker 5: playing in his best I'm nerding out on college football
Speaker 5: too much. I'm sorry, but Tyler Warren they kind of
Speaker 5: just use as a Swiss Army knife. He lined up
Speaker 5: at quarterback, they played him at running back, they played
Speaker 5: him at wide receiver, they played him at ten end.
Speaker 5: They might as well play them at offensive tackle. This
Speaker 5: isn't a guy who's going to be the best inline blocker,
Speaker 5: but what he gives you from a receiving standpoint, I
Speaker 5: understand why people will say, oh, this could be brock Bowers.
Speaker 5: Brock Bowers is a unicorn. There's there's there's there's no
Speaker 5: one else like that. I look from the from the
Speaker 5: tight end.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to stir up kind I understand. I
Speaker 2: don't think he's going to be brock Bowers. Actually, I
Speaker 2: think he's a great value version of such. I think
Speaker 2: he's a good player, and he has a similar skill set,
Speaker 2: but he's not the same. And if you're going to
Speaker 2: take a first round tight end at twelve overall when
Speaker 2: you really don't need one, if we were sitting here
Speaker 2: and looking at our tight end position and saying, man,
Speaker 2: we don't have anybody here, which I think some Cowboys
Speaker 2: fans out there would probably say that, I don't. I
Speaker 2: think we saw some improvement from Schoonmaker. I think we
Speaker 2: saw a bad year from Jake Ferguson. Say it as
Speaker 2: it is, but you can't just replace him off of
Speaker 2: one year. You can't just replace a guy off of
Speaker 2: one year after he just went to the Pro Bowl
Speaker 2: two years ago.
Speaker 5: So I had been in quarterback. Are the two spots
Speaker 5: of twelve that i'd before, if they may hate it,
Speaker 5: So that's that's what thumbs down for me.
Speaker 4: Hey, Matt Miller more like mac Miller because I have
Speaker 4: hurt feelings.
Speaker 2: Over this page.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, our.
Speaker 3: Thumbs down terrible idea away with you get guards, guards
Speaker 3: removing from my presence.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: The only other name that was on this list compiled
Speaker 2: by Tommy Yarish on Dallas Cowboys dot com, it was
Speaker 2: a number of tech McMillan possibilities. I think we're all
Speaker 2: in pretty much agreeance that that's a that's a thumb
Speaker 2: two thumbs up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's two thumb.
Speaker 2: Feel pretty good about the fit.
Speaker 6: I like the polarity on that you go from one
Speaker 6: that's obviously two thumbs down to a Tech McMillan, which
Speaker 6: is obviously a two thumbs up.
Speaker 2: It's almost like I had put it together there, almost
Speaker 2: like it's almost like I might not be structured at
Speaker 2: first rodeo. Yeah, it's like I'm hosting the show.
Speaker 1: You've been here much longer than memes.
Speaker 2: Watching the show. That's true. But yeah, no, I think
Speaker 2: we're all in agreeance that TET would be a favorite pick.
Speaker 2: Is there anybody book?
Speaker 3: Just write it down, it's over, I'm gonna update the website.
Speaker 4: Yeah, puff overall.
Speaker 2: Pick what number you're giving?
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what's open? Uh?
Speaker 1: The ten?
Speaker 2: I'm giving them ten, ten, ten?
Speaker 1: Two? Sorry one giving them two?
Speaker 2: Did one?
Speaker 1: Ye?
Speaker 2: Take two from Jalen?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I didn't even see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, he is willing to give it to a
Speaker 6: rookie though he I don't know if he's a business
Speaker 6: portion of the signing bone, you can't give him.
Speaker 2: Four can't can't take four away?
Speaker 4: Is a business decision?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would?
Speaker 6: I think he like so he did that absolutely so
Speaker 6: that you would have to come to him with a bag.
Speaker 1: Come on, Yeah, that's veteran move.
Speaker 2: That's positioning.
Speaker 4: Nice signing bonus. What size of those?
Speaker 1: What size of those? You get your size? Not your size,
Speaker 1: my size?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But yeah, anybody else ted McMillan, got it. Anybody
Speaker 2: else that you feel comfortable there at twelve.
Speaker 4: I've told you before I like Walter Nolan man. I
Speaker 4: really do that high on him. I really am that
Speaker 4: high on him.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you standing on the table.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen a ton of difficent tackle footage aside
Speaker 3: from Walter Nolan. But for obviously, what's his name, number one, Michigan.
Speaker 3: He's not going to be there, Mason Graham, Mason Graham,
Speaker 3: he won't be there, probably not, So give me Walter Nolan.
Speaker 3: I like him, and I like the interview that you
Speaker 3: guys did with him. He sounds like Micah in a way.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, put him next to each other, so
Speaker 3: it goes.
Speaker 2: You're standing on like one of those like school desks
Speaker 2: that are like kind of wobbly, but you're standing on
Speaker 2: the table. It's like Dead Poets Society. Yeah, I got
Speaker 2: you up there, like, oh, captain, my captain, and you're
Speaker 2: looking right at Walter Nolan, trying to trying to will
Speaker 2: this thing.
Speaker 4: And let's go, buddy. But you like the old mist defense.
Speaker 4: I like what he did.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, they were nasty. Let's go. That
Speaker 2: defensive film is nuts.
Speaker 5: It's crazy.
Speaker 6: Honestly, I am on a different table. My table is
Speaker 6: if Ted McMillan and Ashton Gentil going find a dance
Speaker 6: partner to bail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where easier said than done.
Speaker 1: And say it was easy and say it was easy.
Speaker 2: I just said, you're probably gonna take it under pay.
Speaker 2: You're going to give somebody a discount on twelve. That's
Speaker 2: the just you got to come to fruition.
Speaker 1: Depends on what the discount is.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be probably a heavy discount because there's no
Speaker 2: quarterbacks to come.
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Speaker 6: week's episode if you want to know some scenarios put out.
Speaker 1: There was a very fun game.
Speaker 6: There was one particular thing I'm not going to tell
Speaker 6: you because I want you to go priss play that
Speaker 6: was such an underpay that it was it was mildly gross.
Speaker 1: Ye, so underpays.
Speaker 6: I mean there are levels to underpay and discount. So
Speaker 6: if it's a mild discount, you know, fine, as long
Speaker 6: as it's not a full you know, discount, double check,
Speaker 6: then you know you can get it done.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think if I'm with you in that Teed
Speaker 5: Gentier gone try and move back, and Walter Nolan as
Speaker 5: a prime candidate. I think if you move back as
Speaker 5: a guy who could be on the back table, I'm
Speaker 5: a big I'm a big Walter Nolan guy too. Look
Speaker 5: anything on the board for okay, anything, I feel like
Speaker 5: it's on the board in the first round except for
Speaker 5: tight ending quarterbacks. Right. I think that you look at
Speaker 5: this team and they've got just so many needs across
Speaker 5: the board that you could make an argument for just
Speaker 5: about anybody. But in terms of what it would what
Speaker 5: you would get for trading back, if you can stack
Speaker 5: some top one hundred picks, I think you're in a
Speaker 5: good spot. So even if it's at a discounted point
Speaker 5: and you swap first and maybe get a second and
Speaker 5: a third with it, maybe that's too high, or like
Speaker 5: a third or fourth he gets your fourth round pick back,
Speaker 5: I think you consider it if that's the best offer
Speaker 5: you've got, just because you need to stack as much
Speaker 5: top end talent as you can for this froster, right
Speaker 5: like you need to. This is a draft and developed team.
Speaker 5: They've set it over and over again. If you're gonna
Speaker 5: do that, you need to draft the best players that
Speaker 5: are up there and then you let Will McLay do
Speaker 5: what he's done in the past and make his money
Speaker 5: late in the rounds in Day three. So as far
Speaker 5: as other guys at twelve, you could talk me into
Speaker 5: jod A barn from Texas, the cornerback who can kind
Speaker 5: of play anywhere in the secondary. I think you could
Speaker 5: talk me into Luther Burden, the wide receiver from Missouri.
Speaker 5: You could talk me into Will Johnson, the corner from Michigan.
Speaker 5: So there's a lot of a lot of different pieces.
Speaker 5: And I think the wild card in the round one
Speaker 5: of this draft because just because I've been seeing buzz
Speaker 5: around him lately in terms of where they can play him,
Speaker 5: not Dallas specifically, just across the NFL is Johad Campbell
Speaker 5: from Alabama. Where does he fall? Is he a guy
Speaker 5: that a team is super sky high on and they're
Speaker 5: gonna take him the premium pick. I bet you he
Speaker 5: goes in the top twenty one hundred percent see it
Speaker 5: because I think he gives you that added element of
Speaker 5: the pass rushing ability. I think Johodd Campbell is what
Speaker 5: Jalen Walker, what people thought Jalen Walker would be at
Speaker 5: a linebacker spot because Johad Campbell can rush the pastor,
Speaker 5: but Walker is a better pass rusher. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 5: where it differs. And I'm not saying anything bad about
Speaker 5: Jalen Walkers. I like Jalen Walker a lot. I'm just
Speaker 5: saying people see him and say, Okay, well he's a linebacker.
Speaker 5: But I think Campbell covers more ground as a coverage
Speaker 5: linebacker and he can still blitz off the edge on
Speaker 5: third down, whereas Walker I think specializes at rushing the
Speaker 5: pastor and just needs to be more refined.
Speaker 1: I do agree.
Speaker 4: Do we assume Michael Williams will be gone at twelve?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: No, no, I think there's and he's another one.
Speaker 6: I do not foresee him being going on twelve. I
Speaker 6: think that'll be a conversation. But going back to last
Speaker 6: week's episode, go and watch that. It was based on
Speaker 6: the scenario that Kyle position. That is why I said
Speaker 6: Mikel Williams at number twelve. But in the actual real
Speaker 6: world where I'm not boxed in by Kyle scenario. Sorry,
Speaker 6: I'm not taking Mikel Williams. I love him to dip,
Speaker 6: but I'm not taking him at number twelve.
Speaker 1: I'm a too rich and even he's one of my
Speaker 1: dog's best way too.
Speaker 2: Rich. I'm I'm of the thought process that if you
Speaker 2: can get the right type of compensation, trading back is
Speaker 2: a great option. I'm all for it, but I just
Speaker 2: I'm also telling everybody that just be prepared to not
Speaker 2: have a trade partner and to not have the correct
Speaker 2: compensation and overfa some problems either Yeah, all right, we
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