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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to SAVER. I'm Anny Rees and I'm

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Speaker 1: Lauren foc Obaum, and we've got another bonus episode for

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Speaker 1: you today. Yeah, up, another Saturday bonus surprise, although you

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Speaker 1: could be listening to it whenever as we've as we've said,

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Speaker 1: we can't control. Your fate is up to you. Your

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Speaker 1: fate is up to you. And today we are releasing

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Speaker 1: the interview we did with Alan Musket, a forager, a

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Speaker 1: philoso forager and stand up micro comedian. Those are his words,

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Speaker 1: not ours, that micromedian mic o median excuse me, um,

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Speaker 1: that we we get to talk to and sort of

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Speaker 1: go on this adventure with when we were in Ashville. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we um. We quoted him pretty extensively in our Once

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Speaker 1: in a Lifetime Meal episode and the entire journey that

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Speaker 1: we went on with Alan was so delightful that we

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Speaker 1: we really wanted to share it with y'all, and especially

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Speaker 1: if you guys are interested in foraging and in weird

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Speaker 1: types of mushrooms then, as I said, an absolute font

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Speaker 1: of information about these these sorts of things. So um,

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Speaker 1: so we yeah, I wanted to let's let you listen

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Speaker 1: to it. He is a leading authority in the field,

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Speaker 1: as he says. He says he really knows how to

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Speaker 1: pick him. He has a Woodsie Allen nature if it's

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Speaker 1: the fun and fun guy, and he's the Champignon, which

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Speaker 1: is a French mushroom pie. These are all from his website.

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Speaker 1: But but yeah, so he runs a food foraging tours

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Speaker 1: out in North Carolina. We were really glad that we

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Speaker 1: got to talk to him, and we hope that you

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Speaker 1: will be glad to listen. Hello. Hello, I'm an Annie

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Speaker 1: kill Yeah oo yeah thanks. Yeah. Our lips driver was

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Speaker 1: slightly concerned, but we told her that everything was going

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Speaker 1: to be fine. Um, well, I was preparing location, which

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Speaker 1: is two or three minutes into the woods. All right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's let's go on and yeah yeah, and maybe you

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Speaker 1: could tell me a little bit about what you want

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Speaker 1: to do. Oh, I mean you know. Um, so, so

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Speaker 1: we're we're we're out here in Asheville, um to get

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Speaker 1: material for for a bunch of different episodes about um,

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Speaker 1: we're not sure yet, you know, we're kind of figuring

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Speaker 1: that out as we talked to people about just you know,

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Speaker 1: how the how the food seen here works and what

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Speaker 1: makes astro Ashville and life cool and life's not cool.

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Speaker 1: And you know, uh uh m, look around hu watch holds,

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Speaker 1: watch where you step. There's a lot of poison eivy here.

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Speaker 1: I'm yes, good enough. Yeah, it's just try to get

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Speaker 1: the flavor of the city. And so we were really

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Speaker 1: excited to come talk to you. We keep uh here

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Speaker 1: in your name come up in conversation and uh just

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Speaker 1: how much how how person is about how how you work? Um,

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Speaker 1: we're passing like thirty edible plants, but I figure you

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Speaker 1: want to do the mushrooms first, and maybe on the

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Speaker 1: way back we could plants. Absolutely. How how long do

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Speaker 1: you have with me? Um until like to ten to fifteen,

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Speaker 1: one one twenty right now? Okay, Well in that case,

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Speaker 1: I actually prepared, get prepared this time. I brought I

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Speaker 1: And then there's I mean to me, mostly there's kind

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Speaker 1: of like spiritual dimensions of this or philosophy of foraging.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, like in the context or the

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Speaker 1: all you know, No, I mean it's whatever. The things

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Speaker 1: Y like like like we said, we don't even know

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Speaker 1: we're here to here to figure that out from you.

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Speaker 1: almost believe you. What what is this guy? Um? Oh,

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Speaker 1: he's a fun guy. Oh. I didn't even mean to

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Speaker 1: Um And the thing is that, um there, I brought

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Speaker 1: Well that's that's one of the one of the four

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Speaker 1: And if you don't know something about this plant, where's

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00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: the where's the best place to find it? Who knows

426
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: the most about this plant? The plant? Yes? So so

427
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: the plant doesn't talk, okay, or I mean I haven't

428
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: witnessed it talk personally. I'm not going to say for

429
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: sure either way. Um, so you compare it to other

430
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: plants that you've seen? All right? Well, you know that's

431
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: that That would be what I want maybe call like

432
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: a rational approach or cognitive Again, that's that's a scientific approach.

433
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: You're using existing body of knowledge. So it's not you

434
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: were onto something there, you're but you're you're still not. Yeah,

435
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: by by doing that, you're still not actually paying attention

436
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: to the plant itself, right, You're not getting your answer

437
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: from the source. So this is what they tell you,

438
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: Like they they kind of I don't know if they

439
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: put you through what I did. But but to them,

440
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: there's nothing unusual about the fact that they tell you

441
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: that either they talk to the plant, or they talked

442
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: to the spirit of the plant or a spirit animal

443
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: that told them, or they have a dream and it

444
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: comes to them, or their God tells them. All these

445
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: things are coming from someone else and is not human.

446
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: And so you can write me a bad review having

447
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: heard all of that. But because what she misheard is

448
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: that I'm not saying that that's the truth. I'm telling

449
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: you that it's the truth that anywhere you go in

450
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: the world you talk to indigenous people over and over again.

451
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: That's one of those answers, is what they tell you.

452
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: M None of them say, oh, we learned that through

453
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: trial and error. To them that that's like ridiculous. It

454
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: would be like me trial and error trying to figure

455
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: out like your name, instead of like asking you guests

456
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: or talk to anyone else. Yeah, So this is what

457
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: I mean when I say like we're like clueless, I

458
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: mean there are many scientists. There's books written about how

459
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: many discoveries come through intuition. You heard about these things,

460
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: I mean everyone from UM I think Einstein's on that list.

461
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: I mean there's more stories like the inventor of the

462
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: sewing machine had this really cool dream. It couldn't figure

463
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: out because when you sew with the needle, you have

464
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: the whole here and you push it through and it

465
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: doesn't work with a machine. And I'm not sure I

466
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: understand it or have the time to really explain it.

467
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: It just wouldn't work. And this was I think singer

468
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: or maybe he's the guy popularized but eventually figured out

469
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: how to do it. He had a dream that he

470
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: was captured by a cannibalistic tribe and there he was

471
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: being cooked in a pot and they all started shaking

472
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: their spears and he looked up in the spear had

473
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: a hole at the tip, not at the base. He

474
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: woke up from the dream and he realized, oh, I'm

475
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: going to put the whole at the tip instead of

476
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: on this end, and then he invented the sewing mission. Yeah.

477
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: I think the periodic table also came in a dream,

478
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: and UM, George Washington Carver, I heard of him a

479
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: lot of inventions besides peanut butter. They asked him how

480
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, he said, I talked. I love the plants,

481
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: and I talked to them and they tell me things. Yeah,

482
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: he said, the guy who developed the spineless cactus, you

483
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: know how he did that. Luther Burbank was probably the

484
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: most famous plant breeder known. He talked to the plant,

485
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: he said, like, it kind of chokes me up just

486
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: to say it. He told the plant, like, it's so

487
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: you're safe. I'm going to take care of you. You

488
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 1: don't have to. You don't have to protect yourself anymore.

489
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: The next that shoot came out and had no spines.

490
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: I think it's in the Secret Life of Plants, a

491
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: whole book full of the stuff. Yeah. So we we think,

492
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: we like to think we're smart, and we're one of

493
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: the most ignorant cultures therever. We we were talking on

494
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: the in the car on the way up about, yeah,

495
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: all the research that's been done into how much, ah,

496
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: how much you can affect a plant's growth by by

497
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: your temperament towards it. Yeah, they just I just read

498
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: um it was out. I don't know. I think it's

499
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: a new article. I did a New York Times piece

500
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: for the Science Column with the woman who later wrote

501
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: a piece on how the same um I said, not

502
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: said it is, but um the one that puts you

503
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: to sleep anesthesia. You could it's a gap in a

504
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: gas form. I forget which. But you put a plant

505
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: under the same gas. The plant. Plants are normally moving.

506
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: Picture like vine, which is always the vine stops moving,

507
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: and then you take it off, you dissipate the gas.

508
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: The plant starts moving again. Yeah. So that the notion

509
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: is that the consciousness that we have could be the

510
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: same in some ways as the plant. And it's not

511
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: that they don't talk. In Alice in Wonderland, the sequel

512
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: and look through the looking Glass, she's lost and she's

513
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: going through the garden. She said, she's alone. She said,

514
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: all flowers, how I wish you could talk? And what happens?

515
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: We can talk. We're gonna sask you real hard, Yeah,

516
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: exactly to do and then we could talk just about

517
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: like you and a great deal louder. And then she

518
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: goes to can all the plants talk? And in the

519
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,719
Speaker 1: roads said yes, we can, but we it's not polite

520
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: to speak until spoken to. And we were waiting to

521
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: to you know, for when you would say something to us.

522
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: Pretty cool. Um, all right, now that you've thoroughly probably

523
00:32:53,560 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: trashed my credibility, okay, then black staining polypore okay, inedible

524
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: what it's called because it's too tough. And see the

525
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 1: color it's already turning from our fidgeting. Yeah, so by

526
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: the time you get home tonight or go to sleep,

527
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: if you are sleeping on this trip, this will be

528
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: like black. Yeah. Now, um, you know these tips, I

529
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: mean they're tender enough to eat. You won't you don't

530
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: get the shreadiness, so you could trim off the tip

531
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: because it's the growing edge, right, So it's the it's

532
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: the young tender parts something. And you know, we have

533
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: four restaurants that you could take some of this and

534
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 1: anything else. I'll show you today too tonight and they

535
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: would prepare it for you for dinner for free. Not

536
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: just you because you're doing this, but any tour that

537
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: we do, that's part of the tour. We send people

538
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: away with stuff. They've made a reservation, they drop it off,

539
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: and that night they come in they get a free

540
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: appetizer made out of whatever we've hand Yeah. Um, so

541
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: that's that's a standard part of this tour. All right,

542
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: keep your eyes so you know, and you did you

543
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: tell me like, oh yeah, you could stay careful that

544
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: where you step there's more mushrooms there. Um. Sorry, um,

545
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: but we don't really have to stage stuff like in

546
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: with audio. That's it's yeah. I mean if you if

547
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: you wanted to, you could. We would be real impressed. Um. Yeah,

548
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: well I did when you when you arrived, I was

549
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: staging stuff. So I'll pretend I won't tell you and

550
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: we'll go your true surprise. Um. But um, I sent

551
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: you a photo of this, yes, and um, I'm greatly

552
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: relieved that we're not on video because the most beautiful

553
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: one one of my guides came yesterday when I wasn't

554
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: home and he took the Brillian Corteous. Well it was

555
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: exactly like this, except there was perfectly round like one

556
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: of the Now this, as you can see, came off.

557
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's more obvious on this one. See,

558
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: so this is growing on wood, and in fact that one,

559
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: it's obvious on some of them, but it's on wood

560
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: that will those ones in the ground they're on a route.

561
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: So actually this has what for some people I've had

562
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: people pick something that's poisonous and think it's this because

563
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: it's orange. Now, both of them will only grow on wood,

564
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: and the other one that's poisonous. You you often don't

565
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: see the wood because it's underground. But either way, it

566
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: wouldn't distinguish them. Okay. Um. The other thing, it's called

567
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 1: jack o lanterns. And actually when the New York Times

568
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: came down, that's what they wanted to see. They wanted

569
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: to see the poisonous one. Can you guess why it's

570
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: called jack o lanterns? It's orange, right, but if it's

571
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: just orange, you could just call it a pumpkin. It's

572
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: got faces carved and you put candles inside. And why

573
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: do you do that? Um, what does the candle? Do?

574
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: It glow? This mushroom does not need a candle. It's bioluminescent. Yeah,

575
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: so the article is on bioluminescent mushrooms. It's not expecting that.

576
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: That's amazing. And I usually I get by punch. I

577
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: usually have a photo on me and I whipped it up.

578
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: But when we can, um, you could look it up.

579
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: And now people will eat that one by accident and

580
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: it glows greenly, not in the top of the in

581
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: the gills. You know how mushrooms have gills, So it's

582
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: green and the gills, and it will make you green. Um.

583
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: And it won't kill you. It will only make you

584
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: wish you were dead. Mm hmm. Now I guess the

585
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: point of all that is, Um, I picked these so

586
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: if it wasn't if I trimmed them, you may not

587
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: know if they were on wood or not. But a

588
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: lot of the point or importance of identifying things has

589
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: to do with seeing them in context. What do they

590
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: grow on? What habitsat are they in? Like was this

591
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: a field? Some of these things will only be with

592
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: trees because they're they're symbiotic. They're micro rizals is the term.

593
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: So um, I was going to plant these, you know,

594
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: to look like they were on a log, which would

595
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: be more realistic, you know, um yeah, um. And you

596
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: any questions about the chicken in the woods. That's what

597
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: this is. Did I tell you this is called chicken?

598
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: Uh here experience? Oh I knew got one too? Sure?

599
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: Oh wow, it's heavy? Which silliest single the all day?

600
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: Fingers crossed? But no, it's not because I am always

601
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: surprised when I picked these things. Up how heavy they are. Honestly,

602
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: I may have gotten used to it, but you don't

603
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: realize it to you till you pick it up. Yeah,

604
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: and this is like, this is like a good three

605
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: pounds worth of mushrooms. And I suppose I'm just used

606
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: to mushrooms being so light and airy. And the first one, yeah,

607
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: so that's fifty dollars right there, three pounds. Yeah, And

608
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: and the and the mushroom was ten or fifteen times

609
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: this big. Wow, you're holding like a fraction of what

610
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: I have back at home, and I left a bunch. Yeah, um,

611
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: you said that there. Um they're symbiotic. Yeah, these in

612
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: particular are not considered symbiotic. In fact, they're potentially I

613
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: wouldn't call them parasitic. But what they do is they eat.

614
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: They will hollow a tree out without killing it. The

615
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: the inside of a tree's dead, right, It's only alive

616
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: on the outside. But the it's it will lose its

617
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: internal stability. And I've had a I just I would

618
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: eat up your time with all the stories I have.

619
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: But the short version it's too bad because the long

620
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: version is really good. But I'll give you the punchline

621
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: and it will see later if you have time. But

622
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: I left, Remember I told you I left some. I

623
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: left it to grow. When I found a huge one

624
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: in front of a guy's house, I left some to grow.

625
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: When I came back, the tree had fallen and crushed

626
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: the guy's house. There's photos on my website. It almost

627
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: killed him. He woke up four in the morning a branch,

628
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: this thick had came through the roof and and hit

629
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: the ground. Um like a few feet from his bed,

630
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: like the mills. So this can do that. This is

631
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: mushrooms recycle. This is nature's recycling system. So it can

632
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: dissolve wood, it can eat um plastic mushrooms. You know

633
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: if you read that stuff and I did not know that. Yeah,

634
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: there's a kid you can buy. You feed your mushroom

635
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: your recyclables, and you can eat the mushroom did eat

636
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: the plastic and break it down so well that the

637
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: hydrocarbons are are gone. Now I still wouldn't need the plastic.

638
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: And who knows what it doesn't break down. It's in

639
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: trace amounts. Heavy metals don't get broken down, but they

640
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: do get concentrated by mushrooms. Um. Yeah, so that's called

641
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: bioremediation or micro remediation. Um, and it's tastes like chicken,

642
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: which you will find out if you know you want,

643
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: if you want to take some of the restaurant or

644
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: home and you know, cook it up. Yeah, I think

645
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: I think we had some. We were at Rue Barb

646
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: last night and h and yeah there's as that was

647
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: on the menu with some kind of the bus A

648
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: friend of mine that moved here because I told him

649
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: he's a mushroom hunter and I told him that this

650
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: is good mushroom here and he sells to Rhubart. I

651
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: think at least twenty pounds a week. It is the

652
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: minimum they would take from him. Umcause one smells like

653
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: chocolate to me. Yeah, interesting to me, see what Yeah,

654
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: I get that. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. It might be

655
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: the wood that I'm getting. I'm not sure. No, No,

656
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: I think this Now, this one's not as old. It

657
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: may not. The dryer it smells. The dryer is the

658
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: more it smells. Now, when you often find it to

659
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: dry and you have like fifty pounds at that point,

660
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: you can you can powder it and use it as

661
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: flour like cooking and baking. What kind of I mean

662
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: does it have a similar texture to m Yeah, it's

663
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: powders and and you know, I don't know that I

664
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: use it straight. It certainly doesn't have the glutant for

665
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: the loft and elasticity. But I've had like pancakes cut

666
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: fifty fifty with it. Does it Does it still have

667
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: that kind of savory No, I think it's not that

668
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: savory at that point where you know you'd be like, oh, like,

669
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: I don't want this in a suite. Yeah, it's surprising

670
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: that way. Um So one of my top ten mushrooms

671
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: because when I used to sell, which I did for

672
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: the first ten or fifteen years, Uh, out of the

673
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: hundreds of pounds I picked every year, this was one

674
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: of the ten varieties that comprise. So not only is

675
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: this prize, but it is one of the most common things. Yeah,

676
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: not only large, but frequent. Yeah. Um so it's a

677
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: good one to get to know for that reason if

678
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: you want to learn what to eat, and familiarity, you know,

679
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: happens from seeing things over and over, and it's of

680
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: course easier to get to know the most common things.

681
00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: It's also more reward and quantitatively. Yeah. Um. The reason

682
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: I said familiarities that I tell people you moved to

683
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: a city, or if you're living the one you live

684
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: in now, like, you don't have to know everyone in it,

685
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: but if you have a handful of friends, it's far

686
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: more valuable than a bunch of names. And so these

687
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: would be the ones you'd probably want to be friend

688
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: and get familiar with. Um, yeah, we wouldn't even have

689
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: to walk to, Like let's let's just take an artificially

690
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: tour this way to keep your eyes open. See now

691
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't told about these, and see how they're happened

692
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: to be near that. Now I walked all the way

693
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: here and didn't see mushrooms, So like, why are why

694
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: are there three different kinds of mushrooms here and not

695
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: the same route you took with me since the car? Why?

696
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like we've been seeing fallen bits

697
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: of wood everywhere. I have no idea how do we

698
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: find out that's good? Um, I know I didn't have

699
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: that in mind. Um it wouldn't come out on the audio,

700
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: and um, I answers. I don't know either, because I've

701
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: never had to think hard enough to find mushrooms. They're like, yeah,

702
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: they're just too easy to find. And I suspect there's

703
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: either more moisture here often because it's say north facing,

704
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: but we're so flat that that's not going on here.

705
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: North is less sunny, so it doesn't dry out as much. Um. Actually, interestingly,

706
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 1: this is a little bit of a clearing right that's

707
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: sort of been cleared, so the mushrooms could actually use

708
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: sun because the trees that they're in partnership with need

709
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: the sun. And the reason mushrooms fruit in the fall

710
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: mostly is because that's when the trees are doing what

711
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: kind of bunkering down for the winter, So all the

712
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: sugars are being sent down, and those sugars go into

713
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: what's called the my celial network, which not only allows

714
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: the mushrooms to sprout, but it can go to other trees,

715
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: even of other species. So everything everything is sharing here

716
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: and this so I'm saying these could be here. These

717
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: mushrooms are symbiotic. All of these who were looking at

718
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: two kinds here, um that could be a third are symbiotics.

719
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: So unlike the last three that we've seen, these is

720
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: a whole new class. That's why you see them on

721
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: the ground because they're they're they're not just eating out

722
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: of roots, they're attached to them in that give and

723
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: take relationship with living trees. How, um, what do they

724
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: how do they give back to the to the trees?

725
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 1: What do you think they give? They make nutrients more bioavailable.

726
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: That's good, that's one. Yeah, And what's one main thing

727
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: that plants need along with some o there moisture that's

728
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: number one thing that mushrooms are far better at absorbing.

729
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: Because my ceiling the seventh thickness of a human hair.

730
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: So the match picture of this my hand is like roots.

731
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: And if I took your hair and I put all

732
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: of it coming out of each one of these and

733
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: each of those hairs, it's like as it's a capillary

734
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: action of like absorbing water, it was like a million

735
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: times more efficient. So plant life is partnered with fungi

736
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: and wouldn't survive without it, and it's primarily because of

737
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: the moisture capability. In fact, it's some signists would say

738
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: that life on land wouldn't be possible without that network

739
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: and that it's what made it possible. Um So yeah,

740
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: mainly water and also some of the some of the nutrients. Yeah,

741
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: do can that actually make it more difficult to try

742
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: to practice agriculture where you're you know, trying to have

743
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: like a blank slate or a clean and like like

744
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: like sterile environment. So sore are we actually working against ourselves?

745
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, agri culture, by my definition, is working against nature.

746
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: It's about sterilizing, it's about it's about believing you know

747
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: what is good and that everything else you know it

748
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: has to be pushed out of the way to make

749
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: room for it. And then we plant what we are

750
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: used to do. And so Europeans came they and we

751
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 1: still today eat plants from Europe that aren't not native

752
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: but naturalized here because there are a lot of things

753
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: naturalized here that came over with Europe and they they

754
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: thrive here. But the reason we have to fertilize our

755
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: plants and weed them, it's because they don't throw without

756
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: our help. So we should be eating what grows without

757
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: our help. And that I don't call agriculture, I call

758
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: that permaculture. So there are people selling my celium that

759
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: you actually add to your garden and they and the

760
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: plants do amazingly much better. Yeah, to restore that natural

761
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: community and network of sharing that is what rich soil

762
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: is made from. And when we tear it out, not

763
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: just pull everything out, but till it you destroy that.

764
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: So a lot of organic gardening and what's called regenerative

765
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: agricultures no till it's really analogous to like not taking

766
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: antibiotics in your body. Right, you wipe out everything, good, bad, everything. Um,

767
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: it's the same principle. We have more in this our

768
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: interview with Alan, but first we're gonna stop for a

769
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: quick break forward from our sponsor and we're back, thank

770
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: you sponsoring. Now back into the past in time in

771
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: the woods with Alan. I feel like a lot of

772
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: people are too impatient two ever try to come out

773
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: and do a thing like this. I mean you you

774
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: give tours, uh, and and you've you've certainly been doing

775
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: it for twenty plus years. Yeah. Um, but I guess

776
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 1: how how do you how do you learn how to

777
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: slow down enough to do this and and do the talking,

778
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: do the listening. Yeah, thank you, And I appreciate this

779
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: turns out to be more slower than I expected. You know,

780
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: visual one usually is like kind of superficial and yeah,

781
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: and it's all chopped up and um, that's a really

782
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: good question, and I think it could comes at the

783
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: heart of what because I was pretty oaked up. I'm

784
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: listening to a a book on tape called Lost Connections

785
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: by Johann Harri also wrote a previous book on um

786
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: opiate addiction crisis. This one is on depression and the epidemic,

787
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: and in both instances, what's missing fundamentally is reconnection and

788
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: that's what we have to slow down to do. And

789
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: you're asking me why how do you get people to

790
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: do it? And um, you know, our business is doing

791
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: is doing great. I mean we've doubled five times in

792
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: the last like seven years. I mean, um, but still

793
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: most people, uh don't go as slowly as we have.

794
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't have the time to explain everything like this,

795
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: which is why I appreciate this. And I think the

796
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: reason for that is we're in what I would call

797
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: chronic fight or flight hyper vigilance, Like we gotta beat

798
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: the clock, like to check ourselves. And I think on

799
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: average just six and a half minutes. It is like

800
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: the you know American average. Um, we're always on edge,

801
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: you know that? Oh yeah yeah. But to me, the

802
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: essential thing I tell people, even if you don't leave

803
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: with anything in your basket or nothing goes in your mouth,

804
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: you're still fed. Because I mean, studies have shown like

805
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: cortisol levels are lower after you go out of the woods.

806
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: There's there was a study or a prison had half

807
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: the inmates facing nature and half of it facing the courtyard.

808
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: It is in this book, and I've read it before.

809
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: It's also in um Last Child in the Woods about

810
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: nature deficit disorder, just his term he coined. And it

811
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: turns out I don't remember the statistics, but I think

812
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: the inmates resort were astronomically more likely to either have

813
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 1: diseases or to act out when they have no nature connection,

814
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: even just looking out the window, you know. Um. And

815
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: uh so we're like a plant without roots, you know,

816
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: and we are literally shriveling because we're not connected. I

817
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: say that you could. I think maybe I got it

818
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: from the book. Actually, you know, you can have four

819
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: walls and a roof over your head and still be homeless.

820
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: That's why my business is called No Tastes Like Home,

821
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: because that's what it's about. It's not about like getting

822
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of food and turning this into another supermarket,

823
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, in a shopping spree. I mean that brings,

824
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: that draws people and it's fun, you know. But what

825
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: that is a taste of is is literally the Garden

826
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: of Eden that we all lived in. It wasn't a myth,

827
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: and it isn't a myth. This is it, like it exists,

828
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: Like I can go out, you can draw me anywhere

829
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 1: you know in the world, and I would like, you know, survive,

830
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: like I have hundreds of things I know I can

831
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: eat for free. I mean, I'm not I mean, I'm

832
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: not with touting the Bible. But it's a really familiar

833
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: um metaphor that it's not a metaphor. It literally says,

834
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: what you know, Remember what happened when we get kicked out?

835
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: What happened? What was the what was the curse? What

836
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: happens when we get kicked out? What does God tell

837
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: Adam and Eve? That's a great question. So fifty years

838
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: ago everyone would know. If I tell you, you'll remember

839
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: he said. He said, by the sweat of your brow,

840
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: you will till the soil, you know, until you go

841
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: back to dust. Um Like literally, you will have to

842
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: go do agriculture. You'll have to work, You'll have to

843
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: you can't just eat fruit from the trees and stuff.

844
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: I saw Simpsons episode in the Garden was like a

845
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: pig walks up and he lays back, and he's like,

846
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: here you go like roast ribs and comer just like

847
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: takes the ribs out of starts eating them out of

848
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: the pig. But the fact is, like life is only

849
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: hard for us by choice. We've created scarcity. The world

850
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: is not as dangerous a place as we think. And

851
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: that's the second myth, is that I'm sorry. The third

852
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: is that there's not enough out there for all of us,

853
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: over too too many people, and there's not enough nature left.

854
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: I used to think that was the only one of

855
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: the four that might be true. I don't believe that

856
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: anymore either, because forging isn't about like what we're doing today,

857
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: like going and just like grabbing everything. You know what

858
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: the word forging means? Like what what? What is? Like

859
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: the etymology I do not if you speak French or

860
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: if you know the word for a have you ever

861
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: studied military? You recognize that word. I'm getting closer. For

862
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: a is where you is where you attack, say a

863
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: village or um sleeping arm. You just kind of hit

864
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: and run. The word means to pillage. So I'm not

865
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: really teaching forging. That's the lens that we have that like, okay,

866
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna go in there was just take that's not

867
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: what hunter gathers do. So hunter gathers, which means all

868
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: of us, I say, BC before costco like we sustainably

869
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: forage for you know, you know whatever, you want to

870
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: count it millions or two d years in the case

871
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: of Homo sapiens. Um. Granted, our our numbers were lower,

872
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: and we did we did, like white as far as

873
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 1: we can tell, wipe out a lot of mega fauna.

874
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: So it's not like hunter gathers were like perfect, you know,

875
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: but um, but now we systematically are like just completely

876
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: like right bulldozing everything. Um because we can, and not

877
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: just because we can, but because the idea is like

878
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: we have to grow food. Food doesn't grow itself, and

879
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: we foundationally the idea is this is not a friendly

880
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: place to be, Like we we're not provided for here.

881
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,479
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to take care of ourselves. This isn't

882
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: Mother Earth or Providence in Christian terms or grace. This

883
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: is like harsh, dangerous place. Yeah. All those um, all

884
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: those fairy tales about you know, don't step off the path,

885
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 1: don't go out into the wild deal. Yeah. Yeah, Babes

886
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: in the Woods is an old fairy tale or they

887
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: look two kids and then they starved in the woods. Um,

888
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: and then Disney made a version where they if they

889
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: didn't want to show starving children, so they run into

890
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: like this like village of like little elves that like

891
00:56:54,560 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: feeds them and that's happily ever after it, I'm sure

892
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: the moral was still there. Yeah, in a way, it's

893
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: it's actually more accurate. We consider that a fantasy, right,

894
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you that this is home and these there.

895
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: There may not be elves and pointy hats here, but

896
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: there is any bring your own pointy hats. We are

897
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: the elves. Yeah. Yeah, so that was an immensely long answer. Sorry, no, no, No,

898
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: that's that's great. Like I like I said, I mean,

899
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, I go go on for as long as

900
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: you want. If if we need to, we can fix

901
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: it in post by we I mean him, I mean,

902
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: how does that land for? Oh yeah that makes sense?

903
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: Or like or no, no, I don't know, no, it

904
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: it does. I mean it's um, you know, I'm I've

905
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: never been foraging before. This is a completely new topic

906
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: and kind of universe and thought process to me. But um,

907
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: I feel like as more chefs have gotten interested in

908
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: local foods. They've been introducing items and their dishes that

909
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: I never knew were edible before. I feel like about

910
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: once a month I see something on the menu that

911
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can eat a spruce tip? Huh, and

912
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: then I and then I feel really ignorant and silly

913
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: and young, and uh, out of touch with all all

914
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: all of this. Um. How um you said you said

915
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: that you guys have like what like like like five

916
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: times as many people now as you had just a

917
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: few years ago. Um, why why do you think? What

918
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: do you think that is? Yeah? Seven reasons, okay, and

919
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: just to back up, fill in a little piece. And

920
00:58:54,920 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: one of the reasons these are no particular order. But um,

921
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: one of the reasons is that the food is more ecological,

922
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: which is what I just explained. And part of that realization,

923
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: as you said, there's interest in local food and in

924
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: farm to table and this would now be foraged to

925
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: table you might call it. But that a lot of

926
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: us don't realize is that just because you grow something

927
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: in a place doesn't make it local. Of what we

928
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: consider local food I said earlier, like isn't designed to

929
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: grow here, which is to say it doesn't thrive on

930
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: its own, so I don't consider that local food. Okay.

931
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: But if spruce or take this this right here is

932
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: a white pine, okay, it's it thrives here. You could

933
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: use those tips like the spruce tips um similar tart,

934
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: sort of resinous flavor. Um. That's what I would call

935
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: something local. Okay. And so that's one of the seven

936
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: reasons better for the planet. The other one is better

937
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: for you because b C right, we all ate wild food.

938
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: So the simple answers to why it's good for you

939
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: is not like, well what people ask me, what vitamins

940
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: does this have? When nutritional value does that have? And

941
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: I tell him, look, on average, wild food is ten

942
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: to fifty times more nutritious. And there are figures on

943
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: that I can refer you to. But it stands to

944
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: reason that we if we eat what we ate for

945
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousand millions of years, that's going to be

946
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: better for us. This is the paleo diet argument. It's

947
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: the same reason why you want a low carb diet.

948
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: That's that's not really natural. You want grass fed beef. Uh,

949
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: we need omega threes, which we lack because we have

950
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: grain based diets. Why grain and gluten free is important.

951
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: All these things are new, and by new I mean

952
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: ten thousand years old. That's that's like yesterday. We're not

953
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: designed for that. So better for you, better for the planet. Um.

954
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: There is what you know, probably these restaurants are catering to,

955
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: which is what I call foodie reason. Like cools, I

956
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: need no spoon tips edable, I've never had this. This

957
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: is new, so it's novels. It's more interesting. I count

958
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: as a separate reason. The food is also in that category,

959
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: more flavorful because it's fresher and because it's wild, not

960
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: just more nutritious. That has more of what taste good

961
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: does because we instinctively can taste that, and the freshness too,

962
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: because a lot of nutrition is lost within hours, certainly

963
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: within days and weeks. Um. So that's all under that

964
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: what I call a foodie reason kind of overlaps with

965
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: the nutrition reason. And that's three ah. I want to

966
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: guess anymore. M hm. I remember when I said before,

967
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: like I, you could drop me somewhere and I could survive, right,

968
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: So what would would you call that reason? You're distracted

969
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: by by possible food here, Let's bring the microphone. Let's

970
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: see whether the mushroom says it's edible. It said no,

971
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: not eat more chicken? What kind of what kind of

972
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: mushroom is that? Well, we'll come back to the our topic. Okay, okay, sorry, Yeah,

973
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: I am distracted by possible food all the time. Hands

974
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: on break. This could be Russilla America. You know what

975
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: an e medic is. GE's something very good to eat

976
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: if you need to throw up. Oh do you want

977
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: to taste it? Doing all right? Yeah? So cherry red

978
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: on top, white on the bottom, no chase trace of

979
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: white hopefully on the stand. But I maybe see a

980
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: little bit of pink, which means this might not be

981
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: a medica. And one way to definitively find out is

982
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: to touch a piece to your tongue and to take

983
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: it off real fast, and to wait a few seconds.

984
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: And if your tongue starts to burn like you put

985
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: liquid drain on it, then you have Russula and America

986
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: ready to try it. I'm still doing just fine. You

987
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: don't like hot sauce, I believe you. So my tongue

988
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: is not burning yet, and I was very careful, so

989
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: this might not be it needless to say that one's

990
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: not edible, but It isn't really toxic either, even though

991
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: most people would throw up. It's kind of like giving

992
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 1: you know what is it called ghost pepper hot sauce

993
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: to like people couldn't stand it. But it's not like

994
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: it's poisonous. So this is just highly irritating. Yeah, and

995
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: you can pickle and you can cook these things that

996
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: things like it, like the one over here, who was one?

997
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: See how it's not cherry red this um this is

998
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: actually related, but not the same one. Wow, Okay, they're

999
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: probably ten to twenty red and white mushrooms in this

1000
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: genus I called sila, but the name that I usually

1001
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: use as brittle gill. And you can see how why

1002
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: that is. Yeah, that wouldn't happen with one of the um.

1003
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: See it's just MUSHes. This is old. That's why it's

1004
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: it's beat up alright, So so not edible? This this

1005
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: might be edible. I actually I'm no expert on Russia.

1006
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: There's only six people I understand the world who are

1007
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: experts on this genus. We'll give you a pass on

1008
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: this one. Now there's people who eat all of them.

1009
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: Maybe they avoid the one cherry red wind in Eastern Europe,

1010
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: they just eat them all and they you know, they

1011
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: like the spiciness, doesn't irritate them. And here I actually

1012
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: don't serve them except for a few that I know,

1013
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: I stay away from it. And because we're not used

1014
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: to it, and it's it's kind of a sense of

1015
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: that danger, that danger thing where like you wouldn't put

1016
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: an aborigine in the wheel of a car who's never

1017
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: driven before and said go. And so we're we're not

1018
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: used to eating these like we might react to them,

1019
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: and if we try to identify without being used to

1020
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: doing that, we wouldn't do well either, right, And the

1021
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: same thing with the ghost pepper hot saus You know

1022
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: if you if you give that to someone who doesn't

1023
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: like spice at all, then they're not going to have

1024
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: a nice day. But you know, Dylan's gonna drink a

1025
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: bottle and not break a sweat. Why don't we get

1026
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: him trying that? Good question you'd be coming out in

1027
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: the audio? Um so I still owe you for reasons. Um.

1028
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: Fourth was independence, That's what I call it, right, self reliance.

1029
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: So you have preppers, it's like everything's going to fall

1030
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: apart um, So all of these is you could see

1031
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: overlap somewhat, but there are people focused on that reason

1032
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: and I don't market to that crowd necessarily. UM. Five

1033
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: it's free, uh save money, right, and that's simple and

1034
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: um people appreciate that. And that was one of my

1035
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: first reasons before I understood the rest of them. H.

1036
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: Six it's reconnecting. So I talked a bit about that.

1037
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: I talked a lot about that, so I don't know.

1038
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: And then and then the seventh, which is really a

1039
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: combination of of the of the first six, is that's fun.

1040
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: You'll ask people like, you know, why is it fun?

1041
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: And a lot of them haven't thought about it, but

1042
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: it's usually when you when you if you can get

1043
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: them to think about it's one of the first six reasons. Yeah,

1044
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: it feels empowering, right. You admire somebody on these survival shows, right,

1045
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, well, what a cool challenge.

1046
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: And part of that is that we it's it's it's

1047
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: our nature to be able to do these things. You know.

1048
01:06:53,720 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: M hm, Why are why this area why here? Um? Well,

1049
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: you can you could forage anywhere, and I didn't choose

1050
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: this area as a forager. I was interested in foraging,

1051
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: but I was not planning to make a career of it.

1052
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: It turns out you're standing in the most bio diverse

1053
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: temperate region in the Western Hemisphere, and the second most

1054
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: in the world. So outside of the tropics, we have more,

1055
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: like I said, mushroom species. There's probably three or five

1056
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: three or five thousand or something. You're the most salamanders

1057
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: of anywhere in the world, including the tropics. Um. The

1058
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: plant diversity and within it of edibles is huge. So

1059
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: for some crazy reason, I ended up in one of

1060
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: the best places, certainly in the country, perhaps the best

1061
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: that I could be in to do this. UM. But

1062
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: you don't have to be here because remember ten things

1063
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: is enough for the volume, and a lot of those

1064
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: ten are all us the United States. Yeah, including this one,

1065
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: which grows in California. This is called the blusher. So

1066
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: all this redness you won't see over here as much

1067
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: on a younger one. These are the same mushroom younger

1068
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: and maybe this one that's protected by leaves, it's probably

1069
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: not quite as quite as beat up. But this started

1070
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: white and you might not know it's the blush until

1071
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: you damage it. Just like the black one turns black,

1072
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: this turns red, and often you will break it open

1073
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: and they'll be like tunnels where like insects have have

1074
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 1: there it is have been. You could see them, see

1075
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: the real worms. Yeah, unfortunately they're edible. Yeah, exactly. So

1076
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: this is a tasty mushroom and it's related to deadly one.

1077
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,719
Speaker 1: So a lot of people will not eat this group

1078
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: called Amanita. Yeah, if you have trouble remembering you that name.

1079
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: There was a song in the eighties about it. Because

1080
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't if I were you. I know what she

1081
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: can do. She's deadly. Remember hear this on Oh here

1082
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: she comes. She's a man eater. You could dubb in

1083
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 1: like absolutely yeah. And I'll never forget it. I will

1084
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: not forget this about it every time I hear that song. Um,

1085
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 1: that one I made up, believe it or not. Yeah,

1086
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: So this is going in the basket because we could

1087
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 1: eat these and out of the basket. Although yeah, I

1088
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 1: told you I would bring you these. Now remember how

1089
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: those turn read? These turn green. So here's the younger

1090
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: and this is older. And I was very careful with

1091
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: them because anywhere you damage it, it turns green. But

1092
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: what I want to show you there's my knife is um.

1093
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: The full experience of this, of this mushroom. So we'll

1094
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: see what this one is like. There he goes, that's

1095
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: what the fresh mushroom looks like. You could see some

1096
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 1: of that here, and in fact that that is a

1097
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,560
Speaker 1: sort of a juice that will come out and m

1098
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: try not to cut myself, but this one has dried out,

1099
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna have the easiest time showing you

1100
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: that you can. You can sort of do like temporary

1101
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: tattoo with it. This one's juice here. You'll probably get

1102
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: a little more out of it. And if you want,

1103
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: I'll cut into this one. But um, let's put this

1104
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: one down. What do you want to what do you

1105
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: want to make? Do you like tattoos? I could see that.

1106
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 1: We'll try to match that. Wow, look at that. The

1107
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: older one was juice here. That'sn't that odd? Well we didn't.

1108
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: You're off the hook. Good good a tattoo today. But

1109
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: um it's uh. I had a business card with this

1110
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: on it and with that with that cut and you

1111
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: could see the blue and people swore like I had

1112
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: doctored it up in photoshop because this one isn't even fresh.

1113
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: I've had it for um two days, I think, sitting

1114
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: until you showed up. Imagine when it's fresh, it's very intense.

1115
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: I think I actually had to tone it down because

1116
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: people thought it was Yeah yeah, um so wild a little.

1117
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't even realize I'm doing it anymore perfect. Um yeah,

1118
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 1: people say that one all the time. Isn't that funny?

1119
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think about the way people use

1120
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: wild like? People say wild mushrooms for Shataki's on a

1121
01:11:56,200 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 1: menu because people wild like it just has the appeal. Oh,

1122
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,719
Speaker 1: it's that freedom. I mean that is in our bones.

1123
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 1: I mean we we're we're domesticated. You know, we're caged

1124
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: like we live in a zoo. But so we we

1125
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: live in in boxes, you know. Um you do. I say,

1126
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: it's not just the food that's wild and free when

1127
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: you eat this. Yeah, um so uh this I just

1128
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: picked over there. It was all my way back. I thought,

1129
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: let me loop around and you know, I was going

1130
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: to stage these, but we won't have to check those out.

1131
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:40,600
Speaker 1: Very very firm, yeah, really fresh and solid. Um. The

1132
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: band news is, uh, well we'll find out, but probably

1133
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: very bitter. Yeah. Sometimes I'm I'm wrong because there's I

1134
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: think a look alike that's not bitter. But this won't

1135
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 1: burn your tongue where you are you're willing to taste this, well,

1136
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah. Mushrooms are made out of kiton, which

1137
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 1: is what lobster shells are made of. All arthropods exoskeletons,

1138
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: So it's like you're eating the shells from crabs and shrimp.

1139
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: When you eat a mushroom raw, it's flexible because it

1140
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: doesn't have the calcium carbonate in it to make it

1141
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 1: uh uh rigid um. But it's still one of the

1142
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 1: strongest natural substances on Earth. In fact, the strongest substance

1143
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: on Earth is the shell of the teeth of a squid.

1144
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: Oh right right, yeah, the beak the beak. Yeah, so

1145
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: same substance minus the calcium carbonate. And some mushrooms are

1146
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: toxic raw that are edible cooked like morals, which are

1147
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: common popular san trels. You can't eat these things wrong.

1148
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: So edible means edible cooked from mushrooms. This one's just bitter,

1149
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 1: is inedible. It's not dangerous. So whereas that one is

1150
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 1: inedible for being tough, this is inedible just for being bitter,

1151
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 1: unless you lightly like bitter. The interesting thing this being

1152
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: I guess I'm guessing. A science podcast technically is that

1153
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: I have a confession to make, which is like I've

1154
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 1: never followed through on getting someone to study this as

1155
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: to whether it contains a substance called berberine, which is

1156
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: the active ingredient in golden seal in a plant called

1157
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: yellow root, both because of the color and the extreme bitterness,

1158
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 1: and so I wonder is that what's in this? Is

1159
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: that just wishful thinking? How many? How many bright yellow

1160
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 1: things are bitter and aren't burbery? In fact, I think

1161
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: we has wasn't yesterday, and it blends in another plant

1162
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: that has on the way back, we'll see if it's

1163
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: growing here Oregon grape, which has a root. It's used

1164
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:03,799
Speaker 1: for medicine, like it's strong antimicrobial, so along with echina,

1165
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 1: shall often mix in golden seal. You'll see that on

1166
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: it tinct your bottle in the store. And now that

1167
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: plant is overharvested and it's threatened. So this you pick

1168
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: and it will keep growing back. So this could be

1169
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 1: a more sustainable source for that medicine. It might even

1170
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:26,879
Speaker 1: be a better form of it, more effective, very beautiful.

1171
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: It's called ornato peas because of this ornate stock. Peace

1172
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: means foot this this pattern of netting. It's distinctive, and

1173
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 1: I was noticing I don't think I've ever seen a

1174
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,759
Speaker 1: mushroom skills that tightly packed. It looks it looks almost

1175
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: like a sponge. It is because because they're not gills,

1176
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 1: they're they're pores and um, and they're really tubes packed together.

1177
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: That's so cool. I need to take a picture of that,

1178
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: thank you. I don't know if it will blow up.

1179
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: But so this is not a polly poor, which is

1180
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 1: also poors, but a bull eat and a bull lead

1181
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 1: is another family. Um, so we've we have several families

1182
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: represented here. The bull eats have a lot of edibles.

1183
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: They have the porcini or the little little pig is

1184
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: what that means, or the step or the King Bully.

1185
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:27,640
Speaker 1: These are all names around the world for what is

1186
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: tied with probably the number one mushroom, number one common

1187
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: mushroom in the country and maybe in the world, is

1188
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: the version of this called the King Bully. This is

1189
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 1: a different bull lead, obviously not the King as far

1190
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:44,640
Speaker 1: as tasting, but the King also has this pattern. Some

1191
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: people see that pattern and they think they have a

1192
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 1: King Bully. That's probably unfortunate for them. Yeah, In fact,

1193
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 1: there's a mushroom called the bitter boll eat, which is

1194
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: not yellow. And I've seen people pick baskets full because

1195
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: it has that pattern too. And like, okay, I got

1196
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: King Boley, they get home, they cook him up, get

1197
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 1: to throw the whole meal away. Yeah, so that's um,

1198
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: that's your bullies, and that's your notebook. We got our

1199
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:20,440
Speaker 1: our seven reasons. We got our four myths. I think dangerous, difficult,

1200
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: not enough out there, and and we we would destroy

1201
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: the woods. Yeah, and we covered them. That's great. I

1202
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:36,679
Speaker 1: have one more mushroom and uh it's the one I planted.

1203
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 1: So let's go on a hunt. Okay, you first bears. Sure, Yes,

1204
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: I am a known bear repellent. This interview is not

1205
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: over yet, folks, but we do need to take one

1206
01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 1: more quick break for a word from our sponsor. Stop

1207
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 1: here coming now, what did you notice there's a really

1208
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: cool spiderweb? Yeah? What's cool about it? Uh? It looks

1209
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 1: like a little trampoline or like a like a ah,

1210
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:38,680
Speaker 1: like a performer's net in a circus. No, oh, did

1211
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: you notice anything? I noticed? Um, like the bark on

1212
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: trees kind of blackened and looks I thought maybe is

1213
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: mushroom something and then I was like, nope, and there's

1214
01:18:54,520 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: red red mushroom a Dylan and saw one. Okay, well,

1215
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 1: this is great. There's a range of answers from the

1216
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: ostensible point of having me look, having me me, having

1217
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: you look, and recognizing other things like the bark on

1218
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 1: there and the spider web, which we're not planning to eat, right,

1219
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 1: so not by mushrooms alone to re survive. Was that.

1220
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: I thought it was quite nice that I finally shut up,

1221
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:33,599
Speaker 1: and that you picked up on the audio that birds singing,

1222
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, the winds yeah, um, and in more natural

1223
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 1: areas sometimes the sound of a stream, not the highway. Um.

1224
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: So I tell people, don't miss the forest for the fungus.

1225
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: What did you say? I heard the stuff and I

1226
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 1: liked the quiet, and you know, it felt calming, you know,

1227
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: slowing down. Um, and there's mushrooms. So where where's your

1228
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 1: red mushrooms? It's back away? Right? No? This right? Yeah? Right?

1229
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: That's great because I did not see that and all

1230
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: my time here and have we seen it before? I think?

1231
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: So that's why we did not stop right and look

1232
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: right because it's just right next to it. Wow, this

1233
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: is very cool, Like on a picture of this. Um,

1234
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: I moved the leaf, I moved the mushroom. This is

1235
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 1: a different mushroom. Okay, conceivably this could be edible, and

1236
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 1: this could be deadly. I've never seen this before this close.

1237
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 1: It's a really cool lesson because I don't think you

1238
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 1: would pick this one mushroom and that one by accident

1239
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: right at the same time. But if there were a

1240
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 1: hundred of these, you might do. And that is a

1241
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 1: real danger, not because these look alike, but because you

1242
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 1: stopped paying attention, because there's a hundred of them and

1243
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,680
Speaker 1: you're just shoveling them in the basket because you're not

1244
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 1: being careful. Just like when you drive. There's a difference

1245
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: between watching and putting on a pinefold. Right, So you

1246
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 1: know when I had you look you you know you

1247
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: saw stuff, but before you were talking to me, right,

1248
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: and you didn't see anything. You didn't even see. Um,

1249
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,839
Speaker 1: I think that I forget there's some big thing first mushroom.

1250
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 1: But but you were looking for this and you're paying attentions.

1251
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 1: It's great and you have to keep paying attention. So yes,

1252
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: this is the one from before, and this is related

1253
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: to the blusher. In fact, this is going to grow

1254
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 1: up and it's gonna look like a yellow version of

1255
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 1: the reddish one back there. Um, I'm sure it's not deadly.

1256
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: I think I think it's um yellow patches because this

1257
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: this will open up and this is a kind of

1258
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: a yellow sheen see covering the why that is actually

1259
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 1: what's called, um technically the volva. It's it's like an

1260
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:19,560
Speaker 1: egg case that it was born in a you a

1261
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 1: veil over the whole thing, and I didn't get into it,

1262
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 1: but the blusher had a bunch of bumps. Those are

1263
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 1: actually like eggshell from that egg that covered the whole thing.

1264
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go ahead and pick this to to

1265
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 1: illustrate see whether there's more evidence of that. There isn't

1266
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 1: at the base. But sometimes you dig it up and

1267
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 1: and it's literally coming out of a cup as if

1268
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: it was half of the egg and you got the

1269
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 1: chick like sitting in the egg and you could see

1270
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 1: that cup. But here all you have is this very

1271
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 1: faint kind almost a dusting mm hmm um. In fact,

1272
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm not even positive that this is you know, the

1273
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 1: amined I think it is, you know, I'm in need, yeah,

1274
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 1: but but not the deadly one. So um. But this one,

1275
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm certain is a roussila, which is that brittle

1276
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: gill and you see the easy way crumbles. I don't

1277
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 1: think this is the cherry red one that will make

1278
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 1: your tongue burned because it's got that variation you know.

1279
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: Oh you know, I'm not getting anything. So some people

1280
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 1: would just eat this without even knowing more specific, without

1281
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 1: knowing the species. They know the general the general which

1282
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 1: is the general you know term point cool. These are

1283
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: not the ones that I plan. It was just the

1284
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: fake out the whole time because there weren't any Look again,

1285
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 1: slow down. In fact, I've now found two more that

1286
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:03,719
Speaker 1: I didn't know. We're here, there's a great So that's

1287
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 1: that's what I didn't know was here and right, so

1288
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 1: come from from this angle and believe it or not,

1289
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: Like that's what I thought. This was clearly much darker. Um,

1290
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: and watch House is all poisonally um. Yeah. A little

1291
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 1: bit of exposure actually can write accustom you to it.

1292
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 1: Too much will actually make you more sensitive. So this

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01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 1: was like this and there wasn't going to be a

1294
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 1: cup there. But one thing you can see is this ring? Right?

1295
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 1: What what? What are? Those have always been curious. That's

1296
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:50,640
Speaker 1: the partial veil. So a mushroom is maybe as an

1297
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 1: as a nominee that's born like in a ball, and

1298
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 1: and the ball breaks out, and you have maybe the

1299
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 1: cup there, and you might have the eggshell on top.

1300
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 1: But then it opens up and here it hasn't opened yet.

1301
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 1: It's a button. But when a button opens it leaves

1302
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 1: a seal often and this is the seal. So I

1303
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: opened up and there might be a ring here, There

1304
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 1: might be bits hanging off of here, but that's because

1305
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: it was sealed there. Not every mushroom this. Mushrooms don't

1306
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 1: have seals, but amanitas generally do, not all of them.

1307
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: In fact, those blushers are back there might have rings also. Yeah,

1308
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: and on top there's a little bit of words. The

1309
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 1: blusher were full of them. But here's a little bit

1310
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 1: of eggshell from the egg that this came out of.

1311
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 1: This I think is called yellow patches. Like it's um

1312
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: debatable on that ability. Most people would be like unknown something.

1313
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's it's amazing how gray area there is

1314
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 1: when there isn't a tradition m to learn from. Um, yeah,

1315
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 1: still this you've not found the okay, great intentional Yeah,

1316
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 1: oh yeah, there's there's a little buddy, do a great

1317
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 1: job of not saying even um, it's like a spiritual practice,

1318
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 1: I should um. Okay, what anything that looks like? Uh?

1319
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 1: Oh goodness. I mean you've got a little bit of

1320
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: that veiled that there that you're talking around, remnant of

1321
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: the seal? What else? Is there? A bunch awards? Yeah,

1322
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: so very clearly this fits all a lot of features

1323
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 1: of amanita. It's also tall, it's not short and thick

1324
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 1: like this. Um and uh. And I don't know which

1325
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 1: it is, but it's it's an amanita. And there are

1326
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 1: ones I eat that I know, like the blusher and

1327
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 1: I don't know this one or whether this one's out

1328
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, but we have a we have a discovery.

1329
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, now what are these are? Is this a

1330
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:12,719
Speaker 1: classified as a fungus? Along? This was here? I didn't

1331
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 1: plant this. This isn't another mushroom. So there are three

1332
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 1: so far, and those I put in. But as I

1333
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: put those in, watch a step, because I found and

1334
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: see I flagged it. Oh hey, that's a good flag.

1335
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:36,639
Speaker 1: And this flag is comprised of semi artificial um skewer

1336
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 1: which I used to plant peace. Now, which one you

1337
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 1: want to hear about first. Oh, I guess I asked

1338
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 1: about the logs, So yeah, right, So I'm really glad

1339
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 1: you have interested in this because in the scheme of

1340
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 1: things of edibility, this is like the number one mushroom.

1341
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: This is like, oh, very common, inedible and to most

1342
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 1: people like disappointing because it's also it's known as by

1343
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 1: many people as false turkey tale. So the Turkey tal

1344
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 1: is in my top ten. It's one of the top

1345
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 1: medicinal mushrooms. Looks very much like this, and it's equally inedible.

1346
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:19,679
Speaker 1: So you can chew on this for sixty two hours

1347
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: it will not get more tender. That's beautiful though, but

1348
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 1: it's very pretty. And and the fact is it's a shame.

1349
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:32,560
Speaker 1: People get disappointed when they look for turkey tale and

1350
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 1: nine of time they find this instead. So I asked

1351
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:43,719
Speaker 1: Andrew Wild, who's an integrative medicine guru type doctor, about

1352
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 1: it's you know what, it's probably just as good. We

1353
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: just haven't studied it yet. So what's in Turkey tale

1354
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 1: is something called heavyweight polysaccharides. Every mushroom has that that

1355
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 1: happens to be a lot in Turkey Tale. It's maybe

1356
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 1: something like fifty, whereas most mushrooms are like ten. I

1357
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 1: don't know how much is in this, but even if

1358
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 1: it's if you find tons of this for free, then

1359
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 1: just use more of this, you know. Um, but it's

1360
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:19,719
Speaker 1: not studied. You know why it's not studied because it's free,

1361
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 1: Like why would they bother spending millions of dollars to

1362
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 1: show that it's that it works? So I call it

1363
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: parchment mushroom. That's a translation of the Latin name stere um.

1364
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: It's a nicer name because sometimes it doesn't happen much anymore.

1365
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 1: But people used to say I look like Bob Dylan,

1366
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:40,679
Speaker 1: and I don't want to be called false Bob Dylan.

1367
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah right, you should be called false Ellen Muska, you

1368
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 1: know anything, that's all right. I don't want to be

1369
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 1: hard on him rubbing in. Can we do this one now? Okay,

1370
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 1: Now it looks like it might be on this wood,

1371
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: So we're gonna move the wood and see the mushroom

1372
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 1: doesn't move. It shouldn't be on the wood because if

1373
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 1: it's what I think it is, it's close. It wasn't

1374
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 1: exactly what I was hoping, but um, it will never be.

1375
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 1: I should never say never, but it's a symbiotic mushroom.

1376
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 1: It's not going to eat a dead piece of wood

1377
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: like that one. It's got to come out of the ground.

1378
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 1: So I was right about the genus. This is um

1379
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 1: what in the vernacular, it's called a milk cap. And

1380
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 1: let's see if we can see why do you see

1381
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 1: the shiny look at the drops? So it it's called lactation,

1382
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: and this is a lactarius for that reason. And in

1383
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 1: the one that I was hoping this was, it comes

1384
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 1: out white. And I've had people ask me, is that

1385
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 1: is that really milk? Like I'm lactose intoller and can

1386
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 1: I Can I eat that mushroom? Yeah? Yeah, I gave

1387
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 1: him the good news that they couldn't. Yeah, kind of

1388
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 1: tasted this one before. I had a scientist from the

1389
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 1: Triangle pay me to do what I just did. I

1390
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 1: just ate his whole like budget um he wanted. He

1391
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 1: wanted a few drops of the latex, not from this mushroom,

1392
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 1: but from the really common one that's in my top ten.

1393
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 1: So I was hoping I could be I could show

1394
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 1: you the milk cap looks a lot like this, which

1395
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 1: is browner. This is a little reddish, and it's yellower underneath,

1396
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 1: and it might be served at rhubarb, you know tonight,

1397
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,560
Speaker 1: because it's one of those ten that there's a ton of.

1398
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 1: It's quite tasty. And this is very closely related. This

1399
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 1: is a different milk cap um. So um, it's very close.

1400
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 1: So's I'm glad you got to see it. Yeah. And

1401
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 1: then this, which is the one of the you know,

1402
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 1: most prized. He he's see more of them, I hope. Yeah, Okay,

1403
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 1: you don't need a picture of my fake set up.

1404
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 1: I'm fine, thankful because you could pose behind them and

1405
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 1: where you like you're crawling with a knife. Perfect. But

1406
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 1: but but is this how they how they just scrat up,

1407
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:28,560
Speaker 1: that's how they would look a look. I might fake this,

1408
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't like make it wrong. I mean I

1409
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: have some Now put these to your notes and suit

1410
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 1: the smell. Oh you might not just one these maybe

1411
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 1: the underside or these for sure smell a lot. You

1412
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 1: get any smell um if you don't put them together.

1413
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 1: I know, I think those yeah, the tops of getting

1414
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,640
Speaker 1: this like floral note and the bottoms I'm getting like

1415
01:32:56,720 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 1: a pumpkin kind of scent from It's like words. At

1416
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 1: least you all have a descriptive guesses, No, guess is

1417
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 1: not the right word. I mean, who's to tell you what? What?

1418
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 1: A smell is the classic description and you might not

1419
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 1: agree in it. Varies is apricots and it might even

1420
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 1: be cooked with apricots to bring that out. Yeah, yeah,

1421
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 1: a bunch at once. It is easy perfect. In fact,

1422
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:33,599
Speaker 1: I have a bag of them. If you're interested, don't

1423
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 1: let you take them? Thank you? Yes? Yeah, wow, Oh

1424
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 1: they're so pretty Chantrell's. This is the smooth chantrelle given.

1425
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: The underside is it doesn't have it in a hint

1426
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 1: really of gills here that kind of does. There are

1427
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 1: Chantrelles with vary ei. There's a black one, there's blue

1428
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 1: one out west. We have red ones here. Um. They're

1429
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 1: they're tasty and um great consistency almost like a like seafood,

1430
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 1: a little bit of like a chewiness, rubberiness almost like

1431
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:16,600
Speaker 1: put in a good way. Yeah yeah, like a like

1432
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 1: a clam not like a rubber tired. Um yeah. So

1433
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 1: and those are common too there in the top ten.

1434
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 1: So it's a really good lesson that. Like the they

1435
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 1: say the best things in life like are free, they're

1436
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:40,520
Speaker 1: also not rare. You know. Friendship is not rare mhm nowadays,

1437
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 1: maybe um, let's go back to you out of time. Yeah, yeah,

1438
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 1: well we can walk start walking back, we could talk,

1439
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 1: and we didn't really do plants. We didn't do my

1440
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 1: rap song. I kind of better. Okay, Well, and this

1441
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 1: brings us out of the woods into the podcast studio

1442
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 1: and to the end of this bonus interview with Alan.

1443
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 1: It was one of the most interesting interviews I imagine

1444
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 1: we'll ever do, and it really got me thinking about

1445
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 1: some things that I have never given much consideration. And

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01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Yeah. Absolutely, it was paradigm shifty for me.

1447
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 1: And I feel like every time we go on and

1448
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 1: we go out on one of these field trips, we

1449
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 1: meet someone who we are so completely charmed by and

1450
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: and Alan is that guy from this trip. So yeah, yeah,

1451
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm glad that people talk to us. We appreciate it,

1452
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 1: and we appreciate you for listening, and we would also

1453
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 1: appreciate hearing from you. If you would like to write

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01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 1: to us, you can Our email is Hello at savor

1455
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 1: pod dot com, or also on social media. You can

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1457
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 1: We do hope to hear from you. Thanks to Alan

1458
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 1: for speaking with us, Thanks as always to our super

1459
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:13,800
Speaker 1: producer Dylan Fagan. Thanks to you for listening, and we

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Speaker 1: hope that lots more good things are coming your way.