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Speaker 1: Outrageously Dependable. My name is Clay Nucleman. I'm the host
Speaker 1: of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your
Speaker 1: host into the world of hunting the icon of North
Speaker 1: American wilderness better. We'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation who
Speaker 1: will also bring you into some of the wildest country
Speaker 1: on the planet. Chasing battery. Welcome to the Bear Hunting
Speaker 1: Magazine Podcast. We're at the Global headquarters today and we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about our here list for going on
Speaker 1: a spring do it yourself hunt in Montana. Okay, so
Speaker 1: this podcast is gonna be a pretty technical in terms
Speaker 1: of the gear that we use. What we're gonna be
Speaker 1: we're just going through a list and basically we're going
Speaker 1: through my personal packing list for going out west and
Speaker 1: uh so that's what we're gonna be doing. I've got
Speaker 1: with me in the office Colby moorehead I introduced Colby
Speaker 1: a couple of podcasts ago, but Colby works for Bear
Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine now full time. So Colby is uh, Colby
Speaker 1: is doing all kinds of stuff for us. Um he's
Speaker 1: Ryan Grab named him the Bear Hunting magazine bear tech.
Speaker 1: I call him my tech nerd W. How would you
Speaker 1: describe your how how would you describe your job here? Colby?
Speaker 1: You've been here for two months almost two months? Two months? Uh?
Speaker 1: See you need feeling need you need feeling need yep, yep.
Speaker 1: I don't know that you could put it in a title.
Speaker 1: Maybe bear tech is the best thing. Yeah, like bear tech,
Speaker 1: I mean pretty much. The goal of Bear Hunting Magazine
Speaker 1: is to promote conservation and bear hunting and best practices
Speaker 1: inside of bear hunting. So that's pretty much what you
Speaker 1: you support, all under laying foundational things inside of doing that. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what's interesting though, is just today Colby Moorehead learned
Speaker 1: that he's going to Montana with me. Oh man, my
Speaker 1: legs aren't even Arkansas already yet, no doubt, no doubt. Man. Really,
Speaker 1: I threw a ranch at Kobe this morning. But I
Speaker 1: have to give a little bit of background before we
Speaker 1: start into the skier list. I've been to Montana on
Speaker 1: a do it yourself hunt two different times. I believe
Speaker 1: twenty and I went to Montana. The first Montana hunt
Speaker 1: that I did was I took my wife with me
Speaker 1: and we did a backpack hunt. We back we packed
Speaker 1: back in, and so we were only using gear that
Speaker 1: we could carry on our packs. My pack was about
Speaker 1: fifty five to sixty pounds, her pack was about forty pounds.
Speaker 1: And we hiked back in about five miles and stayed
Speaker 1: for five days. Okay, never came out. That was pretty
Speaker 1: That was our first big step into Western back country hunting.
Speaker 1: The second hunt that I did was in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: I believe, and I went with gym sessions of Best
Speaker 1: of the West rifles and husk and my optics, and
Speaker 1: we used his mules and horses to pack in, and
Speaker 1: so each of us had uh an animal that we rode,
Speaker 1: and each of us had an animal that carried all
Speaker 1: our gear, and so we got to carry a lot
Speaker 1: more gear. Typically an equine animal that you're packing can
Speaker 1: carry between I mean as much as two hundred pounds
Speaker 1: of gear. Usually more like a hundred and fifty pounds
Speaker 1: of gear and so all of a sudden, your limitations
Speaker 1: for what you could bring become a little bit more
Speaker 1: luxurious when you've got equoin animals. So I want I'm
Speaker 1: getting around to why you're going with me, Kobe the
Speaker 1: So I've been planning this hunt in my mind for
Speaker 1: a long time, and I needed I wanted somebody to film.
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to make a film for the
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. I also want somebody that's able to take photography,
Speaker 1: you know, take photos and do stuff for the magazine obviously, Um,
Speaker 1: but uh, the main thing is that I didn't know
Speaker 1: exactly when I was gonna go. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: kind of refused to just like pick an arbitrary date
Speaker 1: on the calendar and just go, I'm gonna go this week.
Speaker 1: And most normal people that have normal jobs that you
Speaker 1: want to go hunting with you have to have some
Speaker 1: pretty significant prep time and I just couldn't do that
Speaker 1: because it was weather dependent and there was a many
Speaker 1: other variables on the business side of it that I
Speaker 1: didn't know when I was gonna leave, right, And so
Speaker 1: Colby Morehead works for me now, So, uh, Colby was
Speaker 1: Mr Flexible inside of this deal, and uh, and Colby
Speaker 1: and I have hunted together before, but this will be
Speaker 1: the first big do it yourself Western deal. And um,
Speaker 1: so that's a primary reason Colby may end up with
Speaker 1: a bear tag. I mean, we're gonna get up there
Speaker 1: and assess the situation. When Missy and I went up
Speaker 1: there in both of us bought tags, you know, three
Speaker 1: or fifty dollar tags, and we in need of one
Speaker 1: of us ever had a shot out of bear. So
Speaker 1: Colby is going with me. I'm gonna have a tag. Um,
Speaker 1: if we get into some bears and feel like success
Speaker 1: is probable, you know, we may go back into town
Speaker 1: get him a tag. We realize he's gotta wait twenty
Speaker 1: four hours before he can hunt, but we'll see what
Speaker 1: to see. Um, the the way that I'm hunting is
Speaker 1: and I wanted to talk about this I've and I
Speaker 1: mentioned this on my podcast the other day, is that
Speaker 1: I've got two buddies up in Montana that have kind
Speaker 1: of helped me find some areas and have kind of
Speaker 1: given me a leg up a little bit on finding locations.
Speaker 1: Well not a little bit, I mean they pretty much said, hey,
Speaker 1: this is the region you go in, and uh, there
Speaker 1: their locals and they're having success on bear. They are
Speaker 1: killing bears pretty regularly themselves or people that are up
Speaker 1: there around them, um by walking roads and just glass
Speaker 1: and clear cuts and being mobile. Okay, so they're not
Speaker 1: doing this back country deal where they're going way back in.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're pretty much driving around in the evenings
Speaker 1: and glass and cuts and going you know, hopping around
Speaker 1: to a lot of different locations trying to find a bear.
Speaker 1: The last time that I went, I kind of fell
Speaker 1: in love with the style of hunting that we did,
Speaker 1: which was an equine based back country hunt, and that
Speaker 1: is what I want to do. That is that's the
Speaker 1: way that I want to kill a bear in Montana.
Speaker 1: So last year we went up there and we didn't
Speaker 1: kill a bear. We hunted for six days and and
Speaker 1: never had opportunity at a bear for the second time
Speaker 1: in a row. And so my buddies are like, Clui,
Speaker 1: you're doing this wrong. If you stayed in a hotel
Speaker 1: and drove around in your truck, you could probably kill
Speaker 1: a bear a lot easier. And uh, I'm not putting
Speaker 1: that I'm not above that in any way. But I've
Speaker 1: also I just the older I get, the more I
Speaker 1: want to do things in a certain way and to me,
Speaker 1: a back country do it yourself hunt using these these
Speaker 1: mules that I've got, these animals, to me would be
Speaker 1: really significant. And uh so I've kind of made vision
Speaker 1: that's the way I want to do it. And and uh,
Speaker 1: you know because to me, the West is so iconic
Speaker 1: of using equine animals for hunting. And uh actually, when
Speaker 1: I first got Izzy, the mule that I've currently got
Speaker 1: that I'll be writing. You know, I trained her from
Speaker 1: scratch in the whole idea. You know, when I got her,
Speaker 1: I envisioned taking her to Montana. And obviously I used
Speaker 1: her mostly here in Arkansas, but I envisioned taking her
Speaker 1: to Montana. And uh and that vision has not died.
Speaker 1: Some things evaporate, some dreams evaporate, and some do not.
Speaker 1: That dream has not evaporated. And uh so we're going
Speaker 1: to Montana and we're we're borrowing a mule from my buddy,
Speaker 1: Trey Autrey. Now you've have you ever met Trey? He
Speaker 1: was on the podcast, but you weren't here when he
Speaker 1: was here. He's a squirrel hunter, so smoky. So if
Speaker 1: you if you watched our our killer squirrel hunting video
Speaker 1: called hundred Dollar Squirrel, Trey Autrey is, uh, he rides
Speaker 1: a mule named Smokey Colby. You will be riding Smokey. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: trial by fire. I get on the mule the first
Speaker 1: time we're going up a mountain. Man, you're perfect, You're
Speaker 1: you're you don't have a family. Yeah, right, okay, you
Speaker 1: know so it's kind of like, you know, indispensable. I
Speaker 1: guess is that the right word. Is that the word
Speaker 1: I'm looking for? I don't know about that. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like it doesn't matter if he comes home or not. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Now. The reason we
Speaker 1: we put you on Smokey and I've been I've been
Speaker 1: negotiating with Trey all morning, not negotiating. He was like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can take him, but we gotta get him shot
Speaker 1: before next week. There's a few things, but Smokey is
Speaker 1: super safe. It's like fifteen years old, pretty short. Um.
Speaker 1: Colby is not the tallest guy in the room, and
Speaker 1: I'm not very tall either, So if that tells you anything,
Speaker 1: I don't have to duck a whole lot. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: Smokey is like probably hands thirteen and a half hands,
Speaker 1: and he's kind of a dead head. And so we
Speaker 1: don't need speed out there, we just need we need
Speaker 1: surefootedness and just forward movement. Yeah, sou and Smoking Easy
Speaker 1: have have traveled quite a bit together, so they'll do good.
Speaker 1: So um well, and and the the other reason that
Speaker 1: you had to be pulled into this so quickly was
Speaker 1: my buddy Brent was gonna go with me, okay, And
Speaker 1: just in the last forty eight hours there's been another
Speaker 1: bear hunt planned this spring that Brent is gonna go
Speaker 1: with me on. Okay. So it's like, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: this Montana trip had a hole in it. I needed somebody.
Speaker 1: So it's like, Kobe, let's go. Yeah, because this was
Speaker 1: the flexible trip to Yeah, yeah, this was a flexible trip.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be super fun. We got a lot
Speaker 1: of work to do between now and when we leave.
Speaker 1: But uh but this podcast is gonna actually help us
Speaker 1: as we think about planning. Um it seems natural. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I want to start off by saying that I am
Speaker 1: not a gear head. Kolbe kind of is. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: I ventured into it. Yeah, I mean you're you're pretty technically,
Speaker 1: I mean like you enjoy like searching out the gear
Speaker 1: and looking at different products and really yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of podcasts, yeah, a lot of YouTube and see,
Speaker 1: I'm the exact opposite of that, Like, uh, I'm a
Speaker 1: minimalist at heart. But at the same time, I think
Speaker 1: I've been pretty effective with the gear that I use
Speaker 1: on these back not just back country like these two
Speaker 1: do it yourself deals, but I mean I've I'm hunting
Speaker 1: a lot, traveling and hunted a lot in the last
Speaker 1: five years and back country hunted here in Arkansas. And
Speaker 1: you don't want to be limited by your gear. I
Speaker 1: think that's that's the thing, and that's what I live by,
Speaker 1: is I as I never want my gear to be
Speaker 1: a reason for not being successful. So even though I
Speaker 1: don't enjoy the technical side of gear stuff, I mean
Speaker 1: I I can navigate my way through it, and typically
Speaker 1: what I do is just by the absolute best stuff possible.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's just a good, good way to go.
Speaker 1: But I do believe it's a lot simpler than people
Speaker 1: make it sometimes. I think sometimes people enjoy it, like you,
Speaker 1: Kolbe enjoy gear stuff, and so you talk a lot
Speaker 1: about it, and to somebody who doesn't enjoy gear stuff,
Speaker 1: then it becomes like stressful. It's like, well, I had
Speaker 1: no idea that there were so many options for freeze
Speaker 1: dried meals. I'm happy with what I've got, you know.
Speaker 1: So so I think sometimes it can be confusing for
Speaker 1: somebody who doesn't like gear to listen to a podcast
Speaker 1: where they just dissect like two different types of gear
Speaker 1: for three hours. It's just like, hey, man, tell me
Speaker 1: which is the best one, and I'll get through it.
Speaker 1: And so there's kind of a rugged mentality of being
Speaker 1: a minimalist that I inc is good. But also there's
Speaker 1: something really good to be said for somebody that's really
Speaker 1: good at planning and strategizing and getting the best gear,
Speaker 1: and so, uh, you know, I don't think either one
Speaker 1: of those positions is superior to the other, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: but so what we're gonna what we're gonna talk about.
Speaker 1: We've got a list here of stuff. And I told
Speaker 1: Colby before we started this that I didn't want us
Speaker 1: to just like make a gear list for a spring
Speaker 1: Bear hunt, just like off the internet, just like read
Speaker 1: and saying this would be a good idea, Like I
Speaker 1: really went through and thought about the things that I bring,
Speaker 1: and um, and because I've never gotten out in the
Speaker 1: woods and wished I had something different. I really haven't,
Speaker 1: or or or got out there and realized that there
Speaker 1: was some massive hole in my gear list. Let me
Speaker 1: put it that way. Um So that being said, this
Speaker 1: gear list would be this could easily be put into
Speaker 1: a back backpack hunt. I mean, like, you don't have
Speaker 1: to have mules to do what we're gonna do. Honestly,
Speaker 1: when we pack up our mule, we will probably we're
Speaker 1: just packing with one equine animal. The other one will
Speaker 1: be ridden. Basically, what we're gonna do is we gonna
Speaker 1: have two animals and uh, both of them are gonna
Speaker 1: have riding saddles on, but one is gonna have a paniard,
Speaker 1: and the one that we pack on will probably have
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty pounds of gear. So let's just
Speaker 1: say seventy five pounds of gear between the two of us,
Speaker 1: and all you'd have to do to get that down
Speaker 1: to that fifty to sixty pound range would be just
Speaker 1: shed a few things that were kind of extracurricular, which
Speaker 1: will probably end up being food and drink. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we'll have the liberty to probably bring you know, some
Speaker 1: sodas or some gatorade or something if we wanted to,
Speaker 1: you know, and didn't want to like mix powder. I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll have a little bit more liberally. But I'm saying
Speaker 1: that to say that this all this stuff is still
Speaker 1: the same stuff that I would take if I was
Speaker 1: carry stuff on my back. Yeah, that makes sense. But
Speaker 1: we will have some liberty to take more stuff if
Speaker 1: we if we want to. Um, So one of us
Speaker 1: will be walking and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say that again one of us. Now we can switch off.
Speaker 1: But where we're the one place where planning to go,
Speaker 1: it's about five miles back in and uh, we can
Speaker 1: easily switch off, like somebody will be leading the mule,
Speaker 1: somebody to be walking, but you won't necessarily have a
Speaker 1: big heavy pack on while you're walking, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: and we're also carrying camera gear. We're carrying forty pounds
Speaker 1: of extra camera gear that most people wouldn't be taken.
Speaker 1: So does that make sense? Yep? Is that fairy? Okay? Well, um,
Speaker 1: let's start right here. At the top of my list
Speaker 1: is weaponry, and I want to talk about what the
Speaker 1: kind of gun then I'm gonna be taken in Montana.
Speaker 1: I've had some people interested in that. And what we're
Speaker 1: gonna carry just one gun, even if both of us
Speaker 1: are hunting, I mean, even if Kolbe buys a tag,
Speaker 1: We'll just have this one gun. And what I'm shooting
Speaker 1: right now is UH Best of the West Hunter Elite
Speaker 1: three wind MAAG. Okay, this is UH with with a
Speaker 1: with a husk the baw two by twenty by fifty scope.
Speaker 1: This to me is a super good bear gun for
Speaker 1: black bear or brown bear. Three in a wind maag.
Speaker 1: It's probably on the on the smaller side of the
Speaker 1: scale for what you would want to use for brown bear,
Speaker 1: but is fully capable and has the ballistics and has
Speaker 1: has everything it needs for brown bear hunting. So it's
Speaker 1: it's a gun that would spam the span a pretty
Speaker 1: wide swath of North American big game. Okay, But if
Speaker 1: you were going to if you're going to Kodiak and
Speaker 1: we're gonna be you know, hunting ten ft brown bears
Speaker 1: and gonna have shots on a hundred yards, I mean
Speaker 1: maybe you would take get different big bore, shorter range gun,
Speaker 1: but thrown wind mag would do it all right. Um, Now,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen my best of the West Hunter Elite.
Speaker 1: Not in person. Not in person. I need to go
Speaker 1: get it, show it to you. Um, I want to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about this gun I'm shooting. Uh. Well,
Speaker 1: the gun is nine point to five pounds. It's a
Speaker 1: has a fluted stainless steel barrel with a Sarah Coat finish,
Speaker 1: So the barrel is actually black, but it's stainless underneath that,
Speaker 1: so it has a Sarah Coote finish. UM has the
Speaker 1: Best of the West seven style action with a Timney trigger.
Speaker 1: So these guns are built in Cody, wy Woman. Every
Speaker 1: pretty much every component is built in Cody Woman. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if they if they build their their stocks there,
Speaker 1: but they have them built four Best of the West.
Speaker 1: They build the actions there, they build the barrels there,
Speaker 1: they build everything there. Um and uh they now like
Speaker 1: a Timney trigger that is a custom long range, high
Speaker 1: end trigger, like you could go if you were gonna
Speaker 1: trick out one of your guns, you can put a
Speaker 1: Timney trigger on it. And there's several really good triggers.
Speaker 1: Jewel and Timney are two of them. Um, you can
Speaker 1: get it. You can get a Jewel trigger on some
Speaker 1: of the Huska guns, but this one has the Timney trigger,
Speaker 1: which basically the Hunter Elite is. Let me talk about
Speaker 1: the best of the West system is that you purchased
Speaker 1: this gun from them and it is out of the
Speaker 1: box a absolute sniper rifle. They've they've sighted the gun in,
Speaker 1: they've broke the gun in, it's been shot, it's been uh,
Speaker 1: the scope has been I mean it's totally been sighted in.
Speaker 1: And a custom turret built on the husk Mos scope.
Speaker 1: So I mean you could literally get it in the
Speaker 1: mail and pick it up and it's this gun is
Speaker 1: guaranteed accurate out to seven hundred yards. So the beautiful
Speaker 1: thing about husk Moth scopes is I'm not a gun guy,
Speaker 1: I'm not a technical gun guy. I've learned my way
Speaker 1: around a little bit the last several years, but most
Speaker 1: scopes are well, first of all, do you know what
Speaker 1: a custom tour it is? Tell us what a custom
Speaker 1: tour it is. That's where they calibrate it so that
Speaker 1: you can dial in like your yardage and yeah everything, um, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's so it's what it is. Is. It's like
Speaker 1: typically inside of scopes, if you're you would you would
Speaker 1: zero in the scope at tuoundred yards that means the
Speaker 1: tundred yards that's hitting dead on. Well, if you're shooting
Speaker 1: a three hundred yards, you have to calculate the hold over. Yeah,
Speaker 1: four hundred yards, you calculate the hold over. I mean
Speaker 1: by the time you get to six hundred yards, you
Speaker 1: might have a four in holdover. And so that's where
Speaker 1: the error comes in. The human error involved in holdover.
Speaker 1: Hold over is a limon, aided by having accustomed turret
Speaker 1: because you dial the turret to the yardage of the
Speaker 1: target and you put the cross hairs directly on it,
Speaker 1: so there's no hold over. Last year, I borrowed a
Speaker 1: gun in Manitoba and it was a gun that did
Speaker 1: not have a husky moscope on it, and it was
Speaker 1: my father and I was gun his muzzloader, and he
Speaker 1: had a little chart taped onto the side of his
Speaker 1: gun that had holdover, you know at three hundred yards
Speaker 1: eight inch holder, four hundred yards sixteen inch holdover. And man,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you practiced, you could get fairly proficient,
Speaker 1: but you guessing how far, you know, at six hundred yards,
Speaker 1: and this muzzleloader was accurate out to that far ridiculously
Speaker 1: high precision muzzloader. But I mean think about holding over
Speaker 1: four ft at six hundred yards. You're guessing what four
Speaker 1: ft looks like at a target six hundred yards away.
Speaker 1: I mean massive probability of human so accustomed turret takes
Speaker 1: that away. The reason huskmall is different is that its
Speaker 1: turret is the only turret that has yardage rather than
Speaker 1: m o A, so a minute of angle. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: like any any uh, they have it patented because so
Speaker 1: on my custom turret it has yardage. I mean, you
Speaker 1: you range find a bear and he's at four hundred yards,
Speaker 1: you dial it to four hundred. Typically what you would
Speaker 1: do is you would range it to four hundred yards
Speaker 1: and then you would have to calculate the m o
Speaker 1: A and dial to it. And I've never had a
Speaker 1: scope like that, so somebody may correct me, but basically,
Speaker 1: scopes are m o A and you you understand, you
Speaker 1: understand how much a minute of angle is and you
Speaker 1: calculate it. Basically, Yeah, you're other rifle that you already had,
Speaker 1: didn't you put a huskmall on it? Yeah? Well, I've
Speaker 1: got a big board gun, a four fifty seven magnum,
Speaker 1: and I put the husk male one by six uh
Speaker 1: tactical cope on it. It's a it's a six power
Speaker 1: and um it uh, let's see, yeah, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a it's a six power the little bit tactical scope
Speaker 1: into it's It's what you do is you gather data.
Speaker 1: So if you so like my Hunter Elite came fully
Speaker 1: ready to roll, okay, But if you want to take
Speaker 1: one of the guns that you have and put a
Speaker 1: huskam My scope on it with a custom tourret, all
Speaker 1: you do is gather ballistics data. So basically, you go
Speaker 1: to the range with a chronograph, you shoot the top
Speaker 1: of you you have to have an already decided what
Speaker 1: top of bullet you want to shoot. You shoot it
Speaker 1: through the chronograph, and then you measure the drop at
Speaker 1: three different distances. Basically, so you like say and you
Speaker 1: tell them this, You say, the gun is zero to
Speaker 1: a hundred yards and it dropped eight inches at two hundred,
Speaker 1: and it dropped six, you know, eighteen inches at three hundred.
Speaker 1: And basically they do all the physics of bullet drop
Speaker 1: and from those three things and barometric pressure and temperature,
Speaker 1: and I mean they take a bunch of things that
Speaker 1: just fine tune this calibration. But those are the three
Speaker 1: main things is that how fast is that bullet flying
Speaker 1: and how much drop does it have at two different distances?
Speaker 1: And from that data they build a customed turret that's
Speaker 1: built for your gun. It's pretty cool. It's it's super cool.
Speaker 1: So that's the gun that I'm gonna be using. Um
Speaker 1: My that three hundred wind maag's I'm shooting a tuner
Speaker 1: twenty excuse me two twelve grain? Hornerty yelled the ex
Speaker 1: bullet okay, which, uh it's shooting out of that gun
Speaker 1: When we cronoed it, I think it was mainly in
Speaker 1: the ft per second range, but the Internet says it
Speaker 1: should be shooting about hundred feet per second. I think
Speaker 1: when you it's interesting. I wouldn't have known this except
Speaker 1: for several guns that now I've gathered data for Huska
Speaker 1: ball for my guns. Um, well, I take that back,
Speaker 1: I take that back. No, we didn't gather data for
Speaker 1: this one. We gathered data for a different gun. This
Speaker 1: gun should be shooting per second. Yeah, yeah, that's smoking
Speaker 1: for a tune or twelve bullet smoking? So good bear gun?
Speaker 1: Um and do you have any questions on that or
Speaker 1: or comments? No, it's a heavy bullet Hey, and there's
Speaker 1: no way around at the best of west guns are
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that hunter let starts at around
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. But man, that's a lot of money.
Speaker 1: But it's also an incredible weapon that you know, unless
Speaker 1: you have a lot of technical skill, a lot of time,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have a hard time building a gun
Speaker 1: that good, you know. Um, okay, weaponry to other things
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna categorize and weaponry, kolbe I carry a
Speaker 1: glock ten millimeter is a side arm? Um, A ten
Speaker 1: millimeter has quite a bit of knockdown power for a
Speaker 1: smaller handgun. I don't want to carry a monster handgun.
Speaker 1: Um So I carry a glock ten millimeter. Isn't that
Speaker 1: what a lot of police carry? Well, it's it's got
Speaker 1: more knockdown power than a forty cow and a nine millimeter.
Speaker 1: And it's a pretty hefty bullet, you know, bigger than
Speaker 1: the three fifty seven or more, more more power. Um
Speaker 1: So that's what I carry. What are you gonna carry?
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to carry a side arm too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. You just learned about this trip like
Speaker 1: an hour ago. Yeah, he had it out yet. Well,
Speaker 1: I've got a I might just take a Revolver just
Speaker 1: for simplicity. It's just a three seven. That's that's all
Speaker 1: you need if I want to carry a pistol. I
Speaker 1: we got a forty that that I keep sometimes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think revolver. I lost them. Uh. I lost
Speaker 1: the magazine one time, Uh, whenever I was hog hunting
Speaker 1: in a pistol and something a little nervous about losing
Speaker 1: another A little nervous about losing another magazine from my
Speaker 1: from either one would be good. Where we're gonna be
Speaker 1: hunting is grizzly country, but it's not the big time
Speaker 1: grizzly country like you hear of in in southwest Montana.
Speaker 1: Um So. But the other thing that I'm gonna classifying
Speaker 1: or weaponry is bear spray, and both of us will
Speaker 1: will have bear spray and pistol. And that's pretty much
Speaker 1: my philosophy is that bear spray and pistol um both
Speaker 1: of them. And I took a lot of flak on
Speaker 1: a YouTube video that I posted where I said I
Speaker 1: did not chamber around in my glock as I carried it.
Speaker 1: A lot of people were just like, that's crazy, that's
Speaker 1: that's stupid. It's not even worth carrying because typically bear attacks,
Speaker 1: if they happen, happens so quick you don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of time. Um, I probably will chamber around. I've
Speaker 1: just always I've just never been quite comfortable enough, especially
Speaker 1: riding mules and stuff, having a round chambered. Um. But
Speaker 1: I'm probably just gonna go for it. And this is
Speaker 1: what I've always done, and I may maybe somebody has
Speaker 1: some feedback for me on this. I usually keep the
Speaker 1: bear spray tucked away, not not far away, but a
Speaker 1: way because my first defense is going to be that pistol. UM.
Speaker 1: But if you're in a situation where let's let's say
Speaker 1: we're out there and we're glassing, and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden we see a gris out there at eighty yards
Speaker 1: and it's just standing there on its hind legs looking
Speaker 1: at us, I would meet. I would have seconds to
Speaker 1: get in and get the bear spray. For me, the
Speaker 1: bear spray is not like an immediate attack, like where
Speaker 1: you come around a bush and there's a bear ten
Speaker 1: feet away that's charging you. Like that's when I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna trust the pistol that I can get it out
Speaker 1: and shoot and hopefully the sound of the gun. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's gonna deter that animal from fully charging you. But
Speaker 1: if it does hit you, at least you've got you've
Speaker 1: got some rounds to put in him. Um. So, to me,
Speaker 1: bear spray is more like the response that you use
Speaker 1: if you have more than fifteen or twenty seconds, because
Speaker 1: that's all it would take. I mean, I would carry
Speaker 1: it with me all the time, it but it'll be
Speaker 1: my pack. And so if I was down in super
Speaker 1: duper grizz country, I'm sure that I would wear it.
Speaker 1: But where we're at, the odd grizz might be in there,
Speaker 1: but it would be cool to see one. Um, but
Speaker 1: it's it's not it's not the norm. So that's my weaponry.
Speaker 1: Threw in the wind mag ten minut meter gawk and
Speaker 1: bear spray comments. Uh, I guess if you carry the
Speaker 1: right pistol, it might not be you know, as big
Speaker 1: of a deal to keep one in the chamber, you know,
Speaker 1: like a glock doesn't have built in safety. Is like
Speaker 1: a springfield, you know, like a springfield, you have that
Speaker 1: that one that makes sure you're holding it. That beaver tail,
Speaker 1: I think it's what it's called on the back, and
Speaker 1: then you have the trigger and the trigger, like you
Speaker 1: have a few more things, and I think was it glock?
Speaker 1: Does it have the like a trigger that's just no safety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I mean but ultimately, I mean you're not gonna
Speaker 1: I mean, the the actual trigger would be covered by
Speaker 1: your Yeah, I mean it's it's deep in a sheath.
Speaker 1: It's deep in a sheath. It's well buckled. I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty safe. Yeah, but still it's just a
Speaker 1: mental thing of you know, I grew up bow hunting
Speaker 1: so much that my dad put the fear of God
Speaker 1: in that's about guns, which is good. Yeah. Um, but
Speaker 1: I agree up the guns in the corner. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and we did too, but it was just a you know,
Speaker 1: I mean we just we didn't We didn't recreate with
Speaker 1: guns that much. Other shooting skied and were hunting stuff,
Speaker 1: but I mean we weren't shooters and just put it
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, you know, I grew up on a
Speaker 1: more of a farm and so it was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, if something was coming up, getting after something, yeah,
Speaker 1: you could take care of it. Always had a loaded
Speaker 1: weapon close yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right, let's go into
Speaker 1: the back country camping gear, all right, And I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna go down this list and perhaps we'll put this
Speaker 1: list up. I I don't know if I want to
Speaker 1: be so bold as to put our list up, because
Speaker 1: there's there there's certain things that probably we're gonna end
Speaker 1: up taking that aren't on this list. But these are
Speaker 1: the main things. Tent. Yeah, tent I have. I have
Speaker 1: gotten through everything that I've ever done with a fifteen
Speaker 1: year old cell tech too man tent. Yeah. I believe
Speaker 1: it's called Celtic sounds right. Um, you know, back fifteen
Speaker 1: years ago, it was like a pretty high quality, lightweight
Speaker 1: mountaineering tent. Yeah, nothing, nothing special, but a pretty good one.
Speaker 1: And I've carried it to Montana, I've carried it in Arkansas,
Speaker 1: and I've used it quite a bit. What kind of
Speaker 1: tent do you have? It's some off brand one I
Speaker 1: think that I got on Amazon. You're supposed to be
Speaker 1: the gearhead. Yeah, well you told me. He told me
Speaker 1: an hour ago. He's like, yeah, I got a two
Speaker 1: man tent. I figured he'd like to be able to
Speaker 1: tell the weight of it and you no, No, It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, at some point we need to get does
Speaker 1: it have any cartoon characters on it? Like Snoopy. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I bought it for a click trip last
Speaker 1: year and I never used it, so I haven't even
Speaker 1: got it up and put it up. Okay, well it's
Speaker 1: probably got like Snoopy or like Barbie dolls on it.
Speaker 1: The little kids tents. Yeah, Pink is gonna be animated.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be an army green kind of you know. Well,
Speaker 1: but we need to get on those Nemo ones at
Speaker 1: First Light. Yeah with them, Yes, just kind of ran
Speaker 1: out of time. Yeah, first Light doesn't have him. I
Speaker 1: contacted uh Bridget at First Light the other day and
Speaker 1: they don't have them in the office yet. Yeah. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so Nemo and First Light have have started doing some
Speaker 1: branded branded content, branded content, branded merchandise for Backer. They've
Speaker 1: got some sleeping bags and tents and a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: We will certainly have some of those in the future. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing that we talked about that we should
Speaker 1: have for this hunt, and we may figure out a
Speaker 1: way to get one, is a Kafaru. Yeah, that'd be great. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I've done pretty good with my little tent,
Speaker 1: but I would like to I would like to upgrade. Um,
Speaker 1: and that would be one that would be good. The
Speaker 1: Kafaro or the first light Nemo stuff. Yeah, yeah, they
Speaker 1: all packed down pretty small. I think the main thing
Speaker 1: that we need to that we need to do on
Speaker 1: this trip before we go is pull this tent out
Speaker 1: and reseal it. Yeah, you know, just to make sure
Speaker 1: that if we get in a massive thunderstorm up there,
Speaker 1: it stays dry. I will also take with me a
Speaker 1: eight by ten to ten by ten tarp that I
Speaker 1: will put over the top of that if it rains.
Speaker 1: When we were back country hunting in Arkansas over Christmas break,
Speaker 1: we were in a horrendous thunderstorm one night, but we
Speaker 1: had a tarp stretched over the tent, so we had
Speaker 1: the tent underneath the tarp that was tied with para
Speaker 1: cord and uh, the tent kept water out. But still
Speaker 1: we need to we need to make sure that that
Speaker 1: thing don't leak. But so I will take a B
Speaker 1: ten tarp with us, which is not on my list here.
Speaker 1: But so there's obviously a lot more we can talk
Speaker 1: about when it comes to wilderness shelters. That's the main thing.
Speaker 1: So for two of us, we're probably just gonna take
Speaker 1: one tent and we're gonna take his colby snoopy tent
Speaker 1: um maybe for gear. Uh, we're gonna have it because
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty small. Okay, Um, so let's talk about betting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every I've traveled in spring and fall the last several years,
Speaker 1: and I have found the sweet spot when you're hunting
Speaker 1: and temperatures between sixty five and twenty degrees fahrenheit to
Speaker 1: be a thirty degree bag. Okay, it's uh, the bag
Speaker 1: isn't too huge, but it's it's also not too small.
Speaker 1: And I've found that I, um, every time I hunt,
Speaker 1: I usually sleep in the clothes that I'm wearing, and
Speaker 1: if it's my first light gear, like I'm wearing like
Speaker 1: my bass layers, and then probably a puffy puffy jacket
Speaker 1: in a in a toboggan or beanie, and uh, stay
Speaker 1: pretty warm. I find that a thirty degree bag doesn't
Speaker 1: actually actually keep me warm at thirty degrees. I don't
Speaker 1: know if have you ever experienced if you can't much, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that they they design them to where you
Speaker 1: can still survive at thirty Yeah, well in that case,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I've heard that before. Actually now that you
Speaker 1: say it, and that's been my experience, is that like,
Speaker 1: if you were just thirty degrees, you know, just sleeping
Speaker 1: without much many clothes on, you'd be uncomfortable. But the
Speaker 1: temperatures when we're gonna be a Montana are gonna be
Speaker 1: from sixty five to thirty degrees. Potentially up with a
Speaker 1: little bit of elevation will be colder, So we're gonna
Speaker 1: have thirty degree sleeping bags. I've got some Cabella's I
Speaker 1: believe they're called Invader. It's a Cabella's branded sleeping bag
Speaker 1: and it's uh, it's pretty good, pretty good bag. I
Speaker 1: like that. Um. I like to take a blow up
Speaker 1: therm arrest. I actually used. I've got one straight up
Speaker 1: therm arrest. But also have a Cabella's branded you know
Speaker 1: air mattress type deal that rolls up really small. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's pretty thick. It takes quite a bit of
Speaker 1: effort and energy to blow it up, but it's pretty
Speaker 1: good on a back country hunt. I also almost always
Speaker 1: take a full sized pillow. And now that is a luxury.
Speaker 1: I think it's worth it. Yeah, Well, that's a luxury
Speaker 1: that if you're riding a mule you can take. If
Speaker 1: you were backpacking in you probably wouldn't do it. You'd
Speaker 1: be you'd be taking a little camping pillow. I've also
Speaker 1: just slept on my clothes before as a as a yeah,
Speaker 1: as a pillow. I've used the my puffy first light
Speaker 1: jacket like it folds up into its home pocket. I've
Speaker 1: used that before, for sure. I've I've done the same thing,
Speaker 1: all those fold up in the little football shapes. Um.
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna be back there for four or
Speaker 1: five days and you've got the room on a mule,
Speaker 1: I will probably bring one full sized pillow. Now, you
Speaker 1: the cameraman won't be able to coby. Yeah, you're you're
Speaker 1: on your You're on your own. You'll test test out
Speaker 1: all these other ways to pillow. Yeah, just ki, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just I'm gonna use the cameras as my pillow,
Speaker 1: just to make sure that they're protected. Hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: James Lawrence, my old buddy, James Lawrence man when they
Speaker 1: camped back in the nineteen seventies. I mean literally they
Speaker 1: were just camping in these little army tents and he
Speaker 1: used his saddle as his pillow. Interesting, he was, He's
Speaker 1: the one that I kind of mirrored my back country
Speaker 1: hunting off of. And uh, he was just looking for
Speaker 1: something elevated to lay his head on, so his head
Speaker 1: didn't lay back flat on the ground. So he slept
Speaker 1: on that leather saddle as his pillow. Yeah, so you'll
Speaker 1: be you'll be fine toughing it out. We've got two
Speaker 1: sets used. Yeah, we got you. You will have two
Speaker 1: saddles to sleep on. Um, so I take a real pillow, uh,
Speaker 1: sleeping bag, mattress, pillow. That's it for sleeping. That's all.
Speaker 1: That's all we'll have. Um. Okay, let's talk about food.
Speaker 1: I use a jet boil that what's what's the other
Speaker 1: brand that's so good? It? That's probably better? Oh man,
Speaker 1: it just escaped you said it a minute ago. Jet
Speaker 1: boil is the one that like will pop into your head.
Speaker 1: I can find out once you find out what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah we should, we should know this, but they jet
Speaker 1: boil like contraption that burns the ice. Approprial fuel is
Speaker 1: what you've gotta have. And uh, I've heard people say
Speaker 1: that jet boil is not supportive of modern conservation brilliant
Speaker 1: hunters like us MSR. Yeah. MSR is probably a better
Speaker 1: a better buy for for people. I currently do have
Speaker 1: to admit that I have a jet boil, and uh
Speaker 1: so we will we will be if this will be
Speaker 1: a freeze dried food based backcountry hunt. Um, we'll take
Speaker 1: a jet boil, will take multiple extra canisters of ice
Speaker 1: propate fuel. Those things burn forever though you get a
Speaker 1: big one. I mean they burn forever, but you don't
Speaker 1: want to run out. Um, we'll use that. We'll use
Speaker 1: that jet boil or that that earner to make coffee.
Speaker 1: Usually just bring some instant coffee, either the crystals or
Speaker 1: the packs, the little little like tea pouch type coffee deals.
Speaker 1: I'm new to the coffee world, okay. Yeah, Colby Kobe,
Speaker 1: Yeah he's new. He dodn't really drink coffee that much.
Speaker 1: You will in the back country. You will appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Uh I. Now, this is a mule man's luxury right here.
Speaker 1: I bring real half and half with me wherever I go.
Speaker 1: If I'm in Alaska, if I'm in Montana, if I'm
Speaker 1: in back country of Arkansas, I will have about twenty
Speaker 1: five of those little little creamers. Okay, call me a sissy,
Speaker 1: it's okay. I'm okay with it. I gotta have my
Speaker 1: good half and half with my coffee, okay. Um, So
Speaker 1: The main experience that I have with freeze dried food
Speaker 1: has been with Mountain House. And there's a whole podcasts
Speaker 1: that talk about the different options for food, but Mountain
Speaker 1: House is probably the most popular, most readily available, most
Speaker 1: commercialized of the freeze dried foods, and I've had great
Speaker 1: experiences with them. They've got a lot of sodium in them.
Speaker 1: They they any of the freeze dried food does for
Speaker 1: the most part. Uh, That's the one thing I've heard
Speaker 1: is that they do have a lot of sodium. So
Speaker 1: if you're eating them for six seven days in a row,
Speaker 1: you know you have a tendency to kind of feel bloated,
Speaker 1: very a lot of calories. I think they taste great.
Speaker 1: I do not get tired of them. I really don't.
Speaker 1: I mean I could eat them. I could eat one
Speaker 1: for lunch right now and just feel like I'd gone
Speaker 1: out the dinner. I like them. Um, what I have
Speaker 1: done on hunts where I've been with multiple people, as
Speaker 1: I've calculated to per day, I mean, you really don't
Speaker 1: want to eat more than two per day, even though
Speaker 1: it seems like a small amount of food, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of food, and uh, but what happens is if
Speaker 1: for some reason you're really hungry and eat three in
Speaker 1: a day. I don't know that I've ever eaten end
Speaker 1: the day, but you could because you average it out.
Speaker 1: Like so if two of us are going and we're
Speaker 1: planning to be back in there for five days, I mean,
Speaker 1: you take two per day per person, so you take right.
Speaker 1: And they're pretty expensive. It costs like cheapest you can
Speaker 1: get them as about seven eight dollars each, even when
Speaker 1: you buy him in bulk, and that's what I do.
Speaker 1: I buy him in bulk in these like twenty pack buckets,
Speaker 1: and um, there's a wide variety of options, but it's
Speaker 1: all good. Then I do bring an assortment of other
Speaker 1: just non perishable goods, pretty much whatever I can fit
Speaker 1: in there that I think might be good. I mean,
Speaker 1: I got might go to the grocery store and buy
Speaker 1: some some raisins and some peanuts and some cliff bars, um,
Speaker 1: you know, just just things that you can kind of
Speaker 1: stash around that you can snack on throughout the day.
Speaker 1: And then I also have on my list here I
Speaker 1: usually bring some type of candy, I mean, just straight
Speaker 1: up sugary candy for those moments, Kobe, when you're just
Speaker 1: you just need a boost of something. It pairs well
Speaker 1: with bear yep. Yeah, for like drawing in a bear. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I was talking about more. Actually we
Speaker 1: get one okay, okay, got you got Okay, So we
Speaker 1: would use this celebratory Okay, I thought you were talking
Speaker 1: about baiting the bears. No, no, I don't know if
Speaker 1: Montana would look Nope, can't do that. I can't do that.
Speaker 1: Kobe Kobe out there baiting them with like sweet tarts
Speaker 1: on the ground, like making little trails back to our
Speaker 1: camp camp. Um. No, let's see coffee creamer, small amount
Speaker 1: of candy, cliff bars, planning for two mountain houses per day.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's pretty much it. That. One of
Speaker 1: the limiting factors though, if you're doing a longer hunt
Speaker 1: in the back country is food. Yeah. That's what we
Speaker 1: found when we when we were carrying stuff in was
Speaker 1: was food. Now when I went with Gym Sessions, Jim
Speaker 1: is a veteran back country hunter that would bust the
Speaker 1: trends of all these younger guys that are hunting. Jim
Speaker 1: has been hunting. Jim's I don't know how old Jim is,
Speaker 1: his fifties, like maybe even late fifties. And he's been
Speaker 1: hunting Wyoming by himself on mules and horses his whole
Speaker 1: life basically. And he brings a lot of fresh food
Speaker 1: school he really does. His wife cooks a bunch of
Speaker 1: stuff and uh, I mean we were eating I'm trying
Speaker 1: to even remember how this was possible. It was pretty
Speaker 1: cool when we were hunting and his wife made a
Speaker 1: bunch of breakfast burritos that they just wrapped up and foil.
Speaker 1: We ate for probably three days. My cousin did that
Speaker 1: when we went to Colorado. Yeah, now we're all back
Speaker 1: country hunting. We were so yeah, well ice chest, yeah yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and that's what we did. We we carried all this
Speaker 1: stuff in ice chest and then once we went back in,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it was pretty it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: So the stuff stayed cool, but you'd be surprised how
Speaker 1: long cooked food will stay good if it's staying pretty cool.
Speaker 1: And so we did that. We carried he carried some
Speaker 1: sausage and eggs and he likes to carry a full
Speaker 1: cooking kit. Now, so we were cooking fresh food for
Speaker 1: the most part. Yeah, and he was he was kind
Speaker 1: of in charge of the logistics of our hunt at
Speaker 1: that time. Um, so I wouldn't be opposed to bring
Speaker 1: in a couple of days worth, you know, bringing a
Speaker 1: We'll probably bring a skillet and some you know, some
Speaker 1: bacon and some eggs or something just to kind of
Speaker 1: for fun for a day or two then, but that's
Speaker 1: probably what we'll do. So can you I guess? Uh,
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty we're just kind of hitting the
Speaker 1: high points. This is a generic list here. That's my
Speaker 1: main thing for food. Yeah. The other part of that
Speaker 1: would be water. Pretty much on a mule based time,
Speaker 1: we could bring some water, and we may bring a
Speaker 1: few bottles of water, but water will not be the
Speaker 1: limiting factor because we'll be able to get to the creek.
Speaker 1: And what I have used before is this, Uh I've
Speaker 1: got it written down here. Yeah, it's the Catatin base
Speaker 1: Camp Pro ten leader water filter. That's what it's called.
Speaker 1: It's k A T A D Y in base Camp
Speaker 1: Pro and so it's this hanging back. It holds ten leads.
Speaker 1: So you go down the creek try to get some
Speaker 1: fast running water that's uh, you know, in full of mud.
Speaker 1: But even if it was, this thing would filter it.
Speaker 1: Um and you you set it up and it drips,
Speaker 1: so you unhinched this little cord and you put your
Speaker 1: container down. There will bring some like now gene bottles
Speaker 1: something like that, and you know it'll take it three
Speaker 1: or four minutes to fill up your water container. Gravity filter, yep,
Speaker 1: gravity filter. So we'll bring one of the those. But
Speaker 1: we'll also bring a LifeStraw. Yeah, I've got one of those. Two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are handy, just just to have in your pack,
Speaker 1: stick in the mud hole and drink if you had to. Um.
Speaker 1: Where we're gonna be hunting is gonna be up above
Speaker 1: where there's much water. There might be some snow banks
Speaker 1: around that we'd be able to gather a little bit
Speaker 1: of water to boil down if we wanted to for
Speaker 1: mountain houses and stuff. But we will have to carry
Speaker 1: some water up. Now, we could easily go down two
Speaker 1: thousand feet and get water and come back up on
Speaker 1: a mule, which wouldn't be that big of a deal
Speaker 1: if you're on foot, it would be Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Where we're gonna be camping is well,
Speaker 1: it all depends on where the snow line's at. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I ideally would be camping at six
Speaker 1: thousand feet. Now we may we have not got into
Speaker 1: the nitty gritty of it's six thousand feet even there
Speaker 1: right now might be a under four feet of snow.
Speaker 1: In that case we'll be camping lower than that. But
Speaker 1: but anyway, that's what we'll that's what we'll take. Um,
Speaker 1: here's a couple of just different things will be. You know,
Speaker 1: you you take your personal toiletries and whatever. You you know,
Speaker 1: you take a toothbrush and toothpaste, you know for sure. Um,
Speaker 1: wet wipes. Yeah, I'm big wet white man. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: wet wipes. They're good for all kinds of stuff, even
Speaker 1: just cleaning your hands. You know, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, if you've if you've been messing with the mules,
Speaker 1: or you know, you just or just kind of taking
Speaker 1: a small just like wipe down bath with one of them,
Speaker 1: you just feel refreshed. So I like taking wet wipes.
Speaker 1: Um primethrin. When we were in Montana the first year,
Speaker 1: it was ridiculous how many ticks there were and we
Speaker 1: were totally unprepared. I'm prepared. I mean I didn't even
Speaker 1: have any off. Um, we will spray down our clothes
Speaker 1: with with this. Uh, how do you say it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: permethrin and and that I'll that'll keep that'll keep the
Speaker 1: ticks at bay pretty good. Yeah, that's something for sure.
Speaker 1: We bring garment in reach for navigation. Both of us
Speaker 1: have garment in reaches for If you don't know what
Speaker 1: a garment end reach, I mean most guys in the
Speaker 1: honey world probably would. But it's a it's a it's
Speaker 1: a GPS and a satellite text messaging device. It costs
Speaker 1: about foreigner bucks. You pay about eleven dollars a month
Speaker 1: the lowest possible plan and basically you get ten free
Speaker 1: text messages per month and you've got an s O
Speaker 1: S button. So if we get back in there and
Speaker 1: something happens, we could hit s O S and it
Speaker 1: alerts the local authorities that somebody's in trouble and they
Speaker 1: need to send help. Basically up. Yeah, so you don't
Speaker 1: want to hit that button on accident. Now Here, they
Speaker 1: actually message you. They try to message you to like
Speaker 1: say what's going on? Yeah, you know, so potentially if
Speaker 1: you hit it on accident, you could go my bad.
Speaker 1: But no guarantees on that, um, but uh, it does
Speaker 1: make you feel just a little bit better to know
Speaker 1: that if something crazy happened that you could hit that
Speaker 1: button and you know, you couldn't count somebody getting there fast.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it'd be difficult to hit that s OS
Speaker 1: on accident on accident. They've got to get it pre protected.
Speaker 1: They and actually when you hit it, it gives you
Speaker 1: accuse you again. It says are you sure you want
Speaker 1: to do this? I mean, it says something like that,
Speaker 1: and so then you hit yes, and it's uh and
Speaker 1: you're good. She okay, we gotta we got firm the
Speaker 1: plothhound in here. She's getting a little restless, so that'll
Speaker 1: be how we navigate. Will also have our on X
Speaker 1: on our phones will download these sections so you'll be
Speaker 1: able to kind of look at some because the garment
Speaker 1: these en reached garments. If you're using the stuff that
Speaker 1: the maps that come with them, they're not great maps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they're not. I don't want to dog them.
Speaker 1: They're there, but they're not like highly detailed maps, and
Speaker 1: it's certainly not satellite imagery or as user friendly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeahs on it. Yeah, it's kind of like a just
Speaker 1: a last resort type deal. Um, okay, here's a little
Speaker 1: tech tip for you that country camping tip. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have a pair of croc like shoes. I do as well. Okay,
Speaker 1: I carry those with me everywhere I go. Let your
Speaker 1: feet dry out at night. It's so nice to be
Speaker 1: even in the back, and they're super light. Yeah. Do
Speaker 1: you wear multiple pairs of socks? No? Yeah, I saw
Speaker 1: where guys will have like a where two pairs of
Speaker 1: socks will be like a liner layer of some Marino sock,
Speaker 1: and then they'll put their like first light socks like
Speaker 1: on top of that, and then it wicks the moisture
Speaker 1: a way from your foot. It's supposed to help. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what sissies do. Okay, uh oh no, No, that's
Speaker 1: probably a good idea. You know, I just wear a variety.
Speaker 1: I think I have every possible pair of first light socks.
Speaker 1: They've got, you know, these crew socks that comped about
Speaker 1: halfway on your calf, which are lightweight, athletic Marino wool
Speaker 1: and spandex, And they've got these ones that come up
Speaker 1: to me, they come up actually almost over my kneecap,
Speaker 1: super tall. But then I've got some of the thicker
Speaker 1: warmer weather socks. But I man marino wool socks to me,
Speaker 1: or a non negotiable. Yeah, you can wear the same
Speaker 1: pair of socks an entire seven day hunt. I might
Speaker 1: do it. I've done it. You know, you gotta let
Speaker 1: them dry out at and I mean, you know it's
Speaker 1: nice to take them off. And I mean if you
Speaker 1: get them like soaking wet and you gotta take them
Speaker 1: off and let him dry. But they dry quick and
Speaker 1: you can pick them up the next day and they
Speaker 1: don't smell terrible, and you can wear them again. They
Speaker 1: say you can put stuff that's damp in the sleeping
Speaker 1: bag with you in your body heat dries it. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I've never done that. Um, So here we go. Knife yep.
Speaker 1: I like to carry a Barracuda. Um, have a lone,
Speaker 1: have a line, but I love him the big ones.
Speaker 1: And I carry four or five extra blades in case
Speaker 1: we had to skin a bear too. But you can
Speaker 1: skin a bear on one easily. Yeah, one have lin blade.
Speaker 1: But I'll also take a standard knife and I my
Speaker 1: father in law has a Steve Schultz custom knives. I'll
Speaker 1: carry a pack rap. He's got a little skeleton knife
Speaker 1: with no uh no handle on it. It's just the
Speaker 1: handle has been wrapped in para cord. You got one,
Speaker 1: don't you. Ye've got one of those two? Yeah, super
Speaker 1: awesome knife has a what's what's the sheath made out
Speaker 1: of on those things, so it's lightweight, clips on your belt,
Speaker 1: has a little little clip on it. You can orientate
Speaker 1: it different ways, which which helps to like I have
Speaker 1: mine on like my backpack on the sleeve of it
Speaker 1: where I can just like pull it out real quick
Speaker 1: if I need it for whatever. Yeah, guys, y'all could uh,
Speaker 1: y'all could do y'all could do us a favorite by
Speaker 1: going and checking out Steve Schultz Custom Knives. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think it's about a d twenty dollars for that
Speaker 1: pack rap, but it's really high grade steel. It's a
Speaker 1: totally custom handmade knife, and you can have all kinds
Speaker 1: of different colors on the on the para cord that's
Speaker 1: wrapped around the handle. But it's a great back country
Speaker 1: knife light and just it's just fail proof. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's just just a it's just a super strong, good knife.
Speaker 1: I think the my favorite knife as far as like
Speaker 1: like one that's produced a lot. We could just go
Speaker 1: buy it, like I could Bella's or something would probably
Speaker 1: be like the bench made like the steep country. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it held such a great edge. Like you know, I've
Speaker 1: used custom knives for so long, I'm totally out of
Speaker 1: the knife world except for the half n which I
Speaker 1: would love, absolutely love. Yeah. But um, all right, so
Speaker 1: these are kind of our camping are camping this is
Speaker 1: our camping list. We talked about tents, We talked about
Speaker 1: therm arrest pillows, heating devices for jet boils and whatnot.
Speaker 1: We talked about food, we talked about crocs, we talked
Speaker 1: about uh permithin um, we talked about sleeping bags, toletries, knives.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of our back country camping gear list.
Speaker 1: What I don't want to talk about now is optics.
Speaker 1: This is a pretty big deal for any back country hunter,
Speaker 1: and it's something that I've been in Arkansas hunter kind
Speaker 1: of had to get used to because I've in Arkansas.
Speaker 1: You can't see more than about forty yards in any direction,
Speaker 1: and so having really good optics has never been really
Speaker 1: a limiting factor. But uh, what kind what kind of
Speaker 1: optics tell us about your like us, because that's mainly
Speaker 1: what we're gonna be using. Yeah, they're the like I
Speaker 1: think they're called the gelvid thinking a tim by fifty.
Speaker 1: But they have a built in range finder, just really
Speaker 1: good glass. They're just they're the clearest pair of binoclers
Speaker 1: I've I've looked through. I'm not gonna say they're the best,
Speaker 1: but they're up there with like the Swarowskis and yeah,
Speaker 1: those those other high end So in the range on
Speaker 1: that one, it'll range out to a thousand yards, is
Speaker 1: that right? I think it might even be a little
Speaker 1: further than that. Really, See this is this is what
Speaker 1: maybe further than you'll shoot. But you've never had a
Speaker 1: hunter elape best of the web, kid, No, So that
Speaker 1: is an issue when you have a long range rifle
Speaker 1: or even not even I mean anymore. A long range
Speaker 1: shot is or shots that are people are taken are
Speaker 1: longer than previous decades. Let's just say that. And uh like,
Speaker 1: I've got a cheap uh I think it's a six
Speaker 1: hour uh M, just like four hundred yard range finder.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just kind of like an archery range
Speaker 1: finder really, And you get out to Montana and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you realize that thing is pretty much
Speaker 1: worthless because you can't range across these canyons that five, six,
Speaker 1: eight hundred yards and not that you're gonna take an
Speaker 1: eight hundred yards shop, but it sure helps to know
Speaker 1: the distance, you know, and when you do have a
Speaker 1: gun that's capable of shooting that far and you have
Speaker 1: practiced with it and really feel capable. Which man, I've
Speaker 1: spent seven days hunting with Jim two years ago. I mean,
Speaker 1: super good long range shooter. We talked and talked, and
Speaker 1: I looked at how he how he how he did
Speaker 1: his setups when he would shoot. They do a lot
Speaker 1: of dry firing. Like if let's say you're shooting to
Speaker 1: bear at six hundred yards, you're gonna have some time.
Speaker 1: It's not like he's gonna be running and you're gonna
Speaker 1: be shooting him in that far. If you're shooting a
Speaker 1: long distance, you do have time. So he sets the
Speaker 1: gun on up and he carries his little tripod with
Speaker 1: him within sandbags. He actually carries it in the back country. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, you get set up and you unchambered around
Speaker 1: and dry fire it. Put it right on, just like
Speaker 1: you want to breathe and squeeze and see what happens
Speaker 1: to the crosshairs when you dry fire. Are you shooting,
Speaker 1: are you shooting prone or yep? Prone. Yeah, prone, I mean,
Speaker 1: like that's all he wanted to shoot's prone, and so
Speaker 1: he you would dry fire, and you would gain confidence
Speaker 1: based upon what you saw when you dry fired, or
Speaker 1: potentially you'd realize you need to wait, you know, because
Speaker 1: if that if that cross air drops off of that
Speaker 1: animal or moves that much comes out of the kill zone,
Speaker 1: then you've got no business shooting. And then you know,
Speaker 1: finally you chamber your live round. You're having somebody with
Speaker 1: a spot and scope and you you shoot, and so
Speaker 1: it's it's much more calculated than somebody might think who
Speaker 1: had never been in that situation and just like, oh man,
Speaker 1: you're just slinging lead at six hundred yards and an animal.
Speaker 1: That's unethical. I mean, we could have a long, long
Speaker 1: debate about whether it's ethnical to shoot at something at
Speaker 1: seven hundred yards when you've practiced, have the equipment, and
Speaker 1: have done everything, versus taking a thirty five yard shot
Speaker 1: at a deer with your bow. I mean, it's all
Speaker 1: the ethics of it depend upon the person that's behind
Speaker 1: the trigger or behind the bow, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: because there's lots of people I know, including me, at
Speaker 1: different times, that have no business shooting at an animal
Speaker 1: at thirty five yards with a bow. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: a lot easier to pick on a guy that's long
Speaker 1: range shooting because it seems so it seems so far,
Speaker 1: you know, And maybe you don't have a gun that
Speaker 1: can shoot that far. Maybe you're not capable of shooting
Speaker 1: that far. But I can tell you, and I'm not
Speaker 1: claiming to be a great shot, but I have shot
Speaker 1: my gun out to eleven hundred yards and hit U
Speaker 1: eighteen by eighteen still played at eleven hundred yards. Ranted.
Speaker 1: It took me a while. We didn't have the right distance.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was some many variables, but I'm confident
Speaker 1: that I could go back and uh easily even shoot
Speaker 1: that far with this current gun that I've got. And uh,
Speaker 1: and then when I was in BC last year, we're shooting, uh,
Speaker 1: we're shooting two letter coke bottles at eight hundred yards,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, I was. I was consistently hitting
Speaker 1: a spot as big as a beach ball at a
Speaker 1: hundred yards every shot. And I can't tell you that
Speaker 1: I hit the two letter bottle the first shot. The
Speaker 1: gun was that doing that, But my and I was
Speaker 1: also had to rest on a stump. I mean it
Speaker 1: was like it was kind of like a real hunting situation.
Speaker 1: We're just like we when we did know the exact
Speaker 1: range and we set up and I got a good
Speaker 1: rest on the stump and would have hit a beach
Speaker 1: ball sized spot every single shot for like five or
Speaker 1: six shots at a hundred yards. And I mean it's
Speaker 1: pretty good shooting, um, because first of all, I'm probably
Speaker 1: not gonna take an eight hundred yards shot, but you know,
Speaker 1: a black bear's vitals are in the range of that size.
Speaker 1: Good size black bear would be you could describe it as, yeah,
Speaker 1: about the size of a beach ball, you know. So
Speaker 1: ethics all depends upon what you're capable of, you know.
Speaker 1: But uh, okay, so that I also want to say
Speaker 1: that I've carried the husk the mall ten by forty
Speaker 1: two s for several years. Super small and lightweight. That's
Speaker 1: what I like about them. Clear Glass. Did they sell
Speaker 1: that anymore? Is it on their website? I haven't been
Speaker 1: able to find it for Yeah, I don't know that
Speaker 1: those are still in production because they sell like on
Speaker 1: their long range s tour. Really okay, they may quit
Speaker 1: selling those, but that's that's what I have carried for
Speaker 1: several years, and I do like them because they're so
Speaker 1: light and they are clear. Um, oh are they up there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I guess they got another run of them. They're expected
Speaker 1: August of nine. Okay, so they sold them out and
Speaker 1: now they're getting more in in August. I see. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right. Then the last section here that we want
Speaker 1: to talk about is clothing. This is probably the hardest
Speaker 1: one because there's so many, so many variables, and guys
Speaker 1: that have not hunted much out on a hunt like
Speaker 1: this often take away too much stuff, which that's what
Speaker 1: I learned about myself. I took way too much gear. Um.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what I pack and what I'm
Speaker 1: familiar with, and that's first Light Gear. I've been wearing
Speaker 1: first Light Gear since and I've pretty much exclusively worn
Speaker 1: first Light Gear. So I cannot speak really objectively from
Speaker 1: experience with any of the other high end clothing companies
Speaker 1: Sitka Coo you. I've just not worn them, But I
Speaker 1: have warned first Light for all these years and know
Speaker 1: the product line fairly well. I don't know the the
Speaker 1: new twenty nineteen gear as well. I do have one
Speaker 1: of the one of their Uh. I think it's called
Speaker 1: the Brooks. Uh they're they call a sweater. But I
Speaker 1: do have one of their new jackets that nobody's got yet. Um.
Speaker 1: But so I'm just gonna go through First Light gear.
Speaker 1: But you this could be translated to other things. But
Speaker 1: I've had great success with First Light. I like them
Speaker 1: as a company, and that's that's all I wear. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start off with tops. Okay, this is what
Speaker 1: I will bring when we hunt is I will have
Speaker 1: two pairs of Marino Wool underwear that uh, what's it?
Speaker 1: Once you get on the first Light side. So I'm
Speaker 1: not so the names I'm saying are accord. I believe
Speaker 1: they call them. They're like, what do they call it?
Speaker 1: I want to say red dirt underwear, but I don't
Speaker 1: think that's what it's called. Um, but I'll have two
Speaker 1: pairs of the Marino Will underwear. When I first heard
Speaker 1: about this, I thought, man, that's kind of over the
Speaker 1: top to have Marino Will underwear. But Marino wool truly
Speaker 1: is a magical fabric to have on skin. So if
Speaker 1: you're wearing cotton underwear or some type of spans that
Speaker 1: spandex synthetic underwear that will be the limiting factor, that's
Speaker 1: that of chafing and holding moisture and not drying out.
Speaker 1: And so it makes a ton of sense actually to
Speaker 1: have some Marino wool boxers. Okay um, I think they
Speaker 1: changed the name of them. They've got several different names.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, what are they? One was Dobson okay uh,
Speaker 1: I think the other one was Lynn Brook. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: two pairs of those I'll take, and then I'll take
Speaker 1: a one basse layer pant bass layer of marino wool,
Speaker 1: which what I have is the Alleghany. But I didn't
Speaker 1: see that they've got some a new one called the
Speaker 1: Fuse Long John, which, if you've not heard me talk
Speaker 1: about marino wool before, I was not a believer there
Speaker 1: for a while, or just was inexperienced and and and
Speaker 1: was like a marino will probably not anything special. But
Speaker 1: when I hunt, use marino wool on skin for any
Speaker 1: type of any type of hunting, from super cold hunting
Speaker 1: like in Canada that I do all the way to
Speaker 1: hunting here in Arkansas when it's eighty degrees. A lot
Speaker 1: of people wouldn't understand marino wool when it's hot, but
Speaker 1: it's actually exactly what you want to be wearing when
Speaker 1: it's hot, because it works moresh your way from skin.
Speaker 1: It dries out very quickly. The example I always give
Speaker 1: is if you've got a cotton T shirt that you've
Speaker 1: been outside working in and it gets damp and sweaty,
Speaker 1: that and you watered up and throw it down the floor.
Speaker 1: The next day, that thing will still be damp and
Speaker 1: when you pick it up it just has that smell. Well,
Speaker 1: Marino will dries out much quicker than cotton, and when
Speaker 1: it dries out, it does not hold near as much
Speaker 1: older odor. Uh. You know, at different times I've said
Speaker 1: it's almost odor free, but if you wear it for
Speaker 1: like seven days straight, it will have odor um but
Speaker 1: not near as much as caught. I mean, like almost
Speaker 1: exponentially less than cotton. And uh, it doesn't affect the bacteria.
Speaker 1: So like if you go saying to some fast food
Speaker 1: restaurant with it, it'll smell like that, but as far
Speaker 1: as like the sweat and stuff from you like, it
Speaker 1: attacks that it's like anti microbule or something like that
Speaker 1: where it you know, I'm not sure the science behind
Speaker 1: the marino will. I do know that from in terms
Speaker 1: of temperature regulation. And I think we maybe we talked
Speaker 1: about this, not another one. Marino wooll. Marino sheep are
Speaker 1: grown in places where it gets very very hot and
Speaker 1: also very very cold. So these cheaper living in places
Speaker 1: that have these huge temperature swings, and so it might
Speaker 1: be cold one day and hot the next, and so
Speaker 1: their wool is capable of insulating when it's cold, but
Speaker 1: also uh regulated, you know, letting heat out when it's hot.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the why I understood it. And uh
Speaker 1: and so that's what you want to happen inside of
Speaker 1: inside of your hunting gear. But the main thing is
Speaker 1: is that when wool gets wet, it's still insulates. That's
Speaker 1: that's the tried and true. It's not just marino will
Speaker 1: that does that will. If you get wet, if you
Speaker 1: get wet when you're wearing cotton, you're in trouble. You
Speaker 1: are going to get cold, chilled to the bone. And obviously,
Speaker 1: depending upon how cold it's gonna get, whether it's life
Speaker 1: threatening or whether it's just uncomfortable for the day. Okay,
Speaker 1: Marino wool is much different than that. Um. But the
Speaker 1: key thing about marino wools it's soft. Most guys think
Speaker 1: of like the old wool ool stuff that people used
Speaker 1: to wear. It would be like scratchy and kind of stickery.
Speaker 1: You know. Marino wool a soft wool, and so it
Speaker 1: feels like cotton, so it's comfortable like cotton. First Light
Speaker 1: also has some synthetic blends. So they've got this Marino
Speaker 1: wool stuff that's blended with synthetic stuff, so it kind
Speaker 1: of has an athletic feel. But that's good stuff too.
Speaker 1: The arrow wool believe it's what it's called. But okay,
Speaker 1: so I'll Marino wool boxers of Fuse Long John. The
Speaker 1: shirts might go to First Light shirts right now, or
Speaker 1: the Furnace Henley and the Men's Furnace Quarters up. I
Speaker 1: love the Henley. Do you which one? Do you have?
Speaker 1: What pattern? You got? Fusion Fusion? Yeah, yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: I've got some cipher. But so there's lots of different
Speaker 1: options and shirts and you really can't go wrong. But
Speaker 1: those are the two that I'm wearing a lot right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: and Kobe, I will take two shirts. Let's just say
Speaker 1: we're going into the back country planning for five days.
Speaker 1: Even though we're planning to be gone, we're planning a
Speaker 1: hunt for seven But when we go in the back country,
Speaker 1: I will I will take two shirts, okay, alright, you
Speaker 1: with me? The other shirt, well, bass layer on skin
Speaker 1: Marino wool shirts, and I'll alternate days usually probably what
Speaker 1: that's my theory, alternate did I probably won't do that. Um,
Speaker 1: listen to this story. When I was with Gym Sessions
Speaker 1: in Montana, I wore the same day clothes for six
Speaker 1: days straight and never took him off. For real. Uh
Speaker 1: were my alleghany bass layer pants? And I can't remember
Speaker 1: what kind of marino wool bass layer shirt it was.
Speaker 1: Uh was there? Uh? Shoot, I forgot, I forgot what
Speaker 1: I mean. It was just there there, midweight, just standard
Speaker 1: first Light shirt. It escaped me what it was called.
Speaker 1: But wore him every single day, never took him off.
Speaker 1: And I and I I was wearing at the time,
Speaker 1: the North Branch soft shell pant with the Marino will
Speaker 1: underneath them. That soft shell pant. They don't make them anymore.
Speaker 1: I've i've, I've talked with the first Light they they
Speaker 1: wouldn't hear my plea continue on with the North Branch
Speaker 1: soft shell. I loved it, um, and then and then
Speaker 1: on top I would come in and out of a
Speaker 1: of a un Kapa gray puffy jacket with the hood
Speaker 1: with the hood and I slept in it for six days. Um.
Speaker 1: But going back to shirts, so those are the two
Speaker 1: Marino I'll have two Marino wool basse layer shirts. But
Speaker 1: then what I will take with me this year is
Speaker 1: a Klamath hoodie. Ye. The Klamath has a more athletic
Speaker 1: fit than the than the former. My other favorite first
Speaker 1: light gear was the the the quarters zip sweater that
Speaker 1: they had that isn't Marino wool. But the Klamath hoodie
Speaker 1: isn't Marino wool. It's like a it's like a it's
Speaker 1: just like a hoodie, you know. Has um But I
Speaker 1: like the athletic fit and I like the hood. I
Speaker 1: end up pulling that hood over. Those are the three
Speaker 1: shirts that I'll bring. Yeah, so too, Marino wool and
Speaker 1: the Klamath, the Klamath hoodie jackets. Moving right on to jackets.
Speaker 1: I have traveled all over North America chasing Barris with
Speaker 1: an Ukampa gray puffy jacket. I love them. I mean
Speaker 1: to this day, when I pull it out, I like
Speaker 1: feel like warm, fuzzy feelings all down on the inside
Speaker 1: because it is such a awesome jacket. It's lightweight, it's
Speaker 1: not made for beating the brush. I've I've tore some
Speaker 1: holes in them. There's no you can't get around that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like a car heart jacket, you
Speaker 1: know that's designed to just like beat the brush. But
Speaker 1: there are a lot more durable than you think. Um.
Speaker 1: And I find that when I layer like with a
Speaker 1: with a let's say I've got that quarters at Marino
Speaker 1: wool on Klamath hoodie unka pargrey vest man, you can
Speaker 1: stay warm or in compagrey jacket. The other jacket quote
Speaker 1: unquote that will bring will be Unca pagree vest. I
Speaker 1: love Unca paragrey vest with the Unca pagree puffy jacket. Okay,
Speaker 1: super lightweight, but then you get that layering of two
Speaker 1: pretty significant layers. And I find that you can stay
Speaker 1: pretty warm in temperatures down into the thirties with that
Speaker 1: with basically two puffy puffy vest puffy jacket I called
Speaker 1: the puffy I think most of them do too. Um.
Speaker 1: I will I do have their new catalyst system, and
Speaker 1: I will probably bring both the top end bottom of
Speaker 1: their catalyst system, which is just their soft shell. So
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a soft shell, soft shell, like
Speaker 1: the puffy wouldn't be soft shell. The puffy is that lightweight,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of scratchy material that like a bow
Speaker 1: hunter and a tree stand wouldn't want to wear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the soft shell is a soft to touch, non
Speaker 1: marino wool uh outer layer that's just a thin just
Speaker 1: a thin jacket. And the pants are the same. They're
Speaker 1: a little bit insulated there. They're like two layered, like
Speaker 1: there's a layer inside and layer outside. But that's their
Speaker 1: catalyst system. The jackets the same. I will also bring
Speaker 1: a sawtooth hybrid jacket that I will layer with based
Speaker 1: upon the weather. So so on this hunt with temperatures
Speaker 1: from sixty six to let's say thirty five degrees, that's
Speaker 1: what the forecast says right now, my maximum layer in
Speaker 1: capacity would be two marino wool shirts Klamath hoodie, uncapagrey vest,
Speaker 1: uncapa gray well under that would be a sawtooth hybrid
Speaker 1: vest and then a puffy full puffy. So that would
Speaker 1: be like that's the way I like to think about it.
Speaker 1: I'd like to think about could you put everything that
Speaker 1: you have on and stay warm in the most difficult
Speaker 1: circumstances possible. And if the answer is no, then you
Speaker 1: don't have enough because you're preparing for the worst. But
Speaker 1: you're also not wanting to bring way overkill, so you
Speaker 1: kind of want to be like Teeter, right on that edge.
Speaker 1: And let's say it got down to twenty five degrees
Speaker 1: and was windy. I think I would stay at least
Speaker 1: warm enough with what I've got for in this in
Speaker 1: this situation. Does that make sense? Yep? I think that's
Speaker 1: a good rule of thumb. Think about putting every single
Speaker 1: thing you've got on and would that keep you warm?
Speaker 1: And if it would keep you way too warm, then
Speaker 1: probably you're bringing too much stuff, Like it would be
Speaker 1: way overkill. Like if I had you know, six mid
Speaker 1: mid legs, you know, mid level shirts, and you'll be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I put six shirts on this, this, this, this, this, this, this,
Speaker 1: You're like, man, that's way overkill. You're probably bringing too
Speaker 1: much stuff. Okay, let's talk about pants. Pants. I'll bring
Speaker 1: two kinds of pants. Well, potentially, I've got to make
Speaker 1: a decision. I'll bring the Catalyst soft shell pant they're
Speaker 1: kind of a thicker pant, and I'll wear the alleghanty
Speaker 1: bottoms underneath them. I bet of this hunt, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make a decision on whether i bring the Corget
Speaker 1: God pants or the Obsidian Marino pants. So the first
Speaker 1: like Corget goide pants are like an athletic fit, like
Speaker 1: stretchy um, kind of feel like almost like spandex like material,
Speaker 1: really comfortable, breathable, lightweight um. But they're more for hot
Speaker 1: weather stuff. The other one is the Marino will pant
Speaker 1: the Obsidian, and I really like those. They would be
Speaker 1: a little bit better for for weather stuff. They'd be
Speaker 1: a little bit better for colder weather because potentially you
Speaker 1: would if you got wet, that marino wool would keep
Speaker 1: you warm. Okay, all right. Rain gear Seek, I've got
Speaker 1: all the Seek gear the South It's it's it's an
Speaker 1: acronym for Southeast Alaska. But the First Light seat gear,
Speaker 1: I've yet to get wet in it, and I've used
Speaker 1: it in Saskatchewan and pounding rain and boats and have
Speaker 1: used it a lot um. I didn't have as good
Speaker 1: luck with the storm tight stuff from First Light, but
Speaker 1: they've massively improved it since five years ago when they
Speaker 1: come up with a storm side stuff. The Seek stuff
Speaker 1: is the real deal. I've got Seek pants on top,
Speaker 1: You've got a Seek jacket, the storm top bottoms. If
Speaker 1: you're not sitting in something, those storm top bottoms will
Speaker 1: keep you dry. If you're sitting in a boat seat
Speaker 1: for four hours, that's getting you're just sitting in water.
Speaker 1: I've seen them leak. Yeah, they leaked on me a
Speaker 1: little bit. But I I ripped them on something. To you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that that's they're kind of like lower. It's really lightweight.
Speaker 1: I mean it's not really made for just like setting
Speaker 1: the pounding rain. Yeah. I did great for a while.
Speaker 1: I think I was. I was hunting the rain, and eventually,
Speaker 1: like after a couple of hours, it was the SEQ
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that to you, Okay, Um, head gear, I
Speaker 1: think the best piece of gear that First Light makes.
Speaker 1: And this is gonna surprise you. This is this is
Speaker 1: Clay Nuke a most valuable player. Yeah. First Light gear
Speaker 1: goes to drum roll goes to the brimmed Marino Beanie.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, no no, no no, no. I was reading.
Speaker 1: I never had a list. I've got a list today.
Speaker 1: Not that it's the tag cuff beanie. Yeah, man, I
Speaker 1: like mine that thing when I was in Idaho hunting
Speaker 1: and it was it was two. It was like negative
Speaker 1: two degrees and we were riding snowmobiles twenty five miles.
Speaker 1: Two of those two tag cuff beanies and then pulling
Speaker 1: up a uh, pulling up stuff, you know, a hoodie
Speaker 1: over your head with whatever you're wearing underneath. Super warm, man,
Speaker 1: that thing gets wet, you stay warm. It's I've carried
Speaker 1: them all over and I usually carry two with me.
Speaker 1: I get pretty cold pretty easy. And man, if you
Speaker 1: can keep your head warm, so good. Um. The other
Speaker 1: thing that I like to wear is that brim brim
Speaker 1: Marino beanie. I like it. I like the short brim.
Speaker 1: I like the way it feels like the lightweightness of it.
Speaker 1: I like it when people think it looks funny. Um,
Speaker 1: you need you need one of them. You've got one
Speaker 1: you were do they think you look funny? I think
Speaker 1: you look funny at him comments, I'm speech all right,
Speaker 1: last thing on the list and then we're gonna close down, Kobe. Um. Gloves,
Speaker 1: I am not a glove man. I mean, if it's
Speaker 1: like freezing cold outside, you know, four out of five
Speaker 1: people have gloves on, and I won't have gloves on.
Speaker 1: I just like to be able to touch stuff, like
Speaker 1: usually i've got camera gear I'm bow hunting or um
Speaker 1: for even when I'm riding the mule, I like to
Speaker 1: be able to feel the reins. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I think it's just a personal deal, but but I
Speaker 1: will carry the first light arrow wool liner glove, super thin,
Speaker 1: and and it just it takes the it just takes
Speaker 1: the edge off the cold. But still you get that touch.
Speaker 1: You know. They're not made, they're not durable, they're not
Speaker 1: made for working, and you'll pop a hold on them
Speaker 1: pretty quick. But just for cool mornings when you just
Speaker 1: want to take the take the sting and the edge
Speaker 1: off the cold on your hands. I really like them.
Speaker 1: The only costs like seven teen bucks, so it's a
Speaker 1: cheap little glove, and it's Marino wool so if it
Speaker 1: gets wet, it'll dry out quick. Um. I like them.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I have a hard time find them in a bag. Yep.
Speaker 1: They're so small, yep, in the midst of all the
Speaker 1: rest of the fusion. Yes, yes, uh, the other thing
Speaker 1: that I that I carry, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: I carried on this trip or not, but I'll have
Speaker 1: them in the bag at least in the truck and
Speaker 1: we'll make a decision based upon the weather and stuff.
Speaker 1: Is the soft shell shooting glove, it's there. It's they're
Speaker 1: kind of like it almost feels like it's neopreme. It's not,
Speaker 1: but and it goes way up on your wrists and
Speaker 1: vel crow's pretty hype on your wrist, probably two inches
Speaker 1: above your hand yea. And I mean they're pretty solid
Speaker 1: gloves that you could use for I mean, you could
Speaker 1: shoot in them. Uh well they're a shooting glove, but
Speaker 1: you could. Uh they're they're tougher. You know, you could
Speaker 1: move around logs at camp and I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: they're kind of made for doing stuff like that at looks.
Speaker 1: That's been my experience. And those are the ones that
Speaker 1: have to cut up for your like archery relation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. That's what it is. Those Okay,
Speaker 1: well I will carry those also had their uh scree gloves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe they got one called screw they're used to.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of a standard, just like smaller glove,
Speaker 1: but a notch up and turn is a protection from
Speaker 1: their errol liner their errow wol excuse me. They came
Speaker 1: out with quite a few gloves this year. They've got
Speaker 1: a bunch of new ones. I haven't really looked at
Speaker 1: them yet. Yeah, we've got a bunch of new ones. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: we've gone, We've gone long enough. Here, this is the
Speaker 1: this is our list. I guess it's been fairly exhaustive.
Speaker 1: But I would feel confident today using this list and going.
Speaker 1: Now there's gonna be something like, you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: put like a lighter on here, Like, yeah, you should
Speaker 1: take I carry a lighter with me every time I
Speaker 1: get out of the truck in the back country. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like starting fires, or like a good pair of boots. Well,
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about boots. Yeah, yeah, I mean these
Speaker 1: are I guess there's some things that are just like
Speaker 1: givings that we didn't talk about. Let's talk about boots.
Speaker 1: Though I've been using the Cambella's Denali for several years.
Speaker 1: My boots are so war out there on their last leg.
Speaker 1: They don't deserve to go back to Montana. But those
Speaker 1: of the kangaroo ones, like no, no, that's what I
Speaker 1: wore when I was in Montana last time, and I
Speaker 1: got y. They don't repel, they're not gortex on the inside.
Speaker 1: So they But what tell us what kind of boots
Speaker 1: you have? You have some good ones? Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: some kind of trucks. Um, I'm not sure. I know
Speaker 1: they're uninsulated, so like the only insulation would be like
Speaker 1: the sock. Um, they come up, you know, a little
Speaker 1: above my ankle. But yeah, they're really like you when
Speaker 1: you put them on. At first they feel really tight,
Speaker 1: but then all of a sudden, they just they feel great. Uh.
Speaker 1: So this would be my first back country hunt wearing
Speaker 1: them though. Yeah, but uh yeah, they're they've been great
Speaker 1: so far. Well you see, yeah I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: put boots on. I mean, is there anything else that
Speaker 1: probably would be on the I mean lighter boots. I
Speaker 1: mean not other than just like the normal normal things.
Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna have their own little pleasantries. They might bring
Speaker 1: like half and half. Yeah, and we really I don't
Speaker 1: think we really got into like different types of packs
Speaker 1: or anything like frank picks. But in that one with mules,
Speaker 1: you know that. And that's a good one that I
Speaker 1: didn't And again me not being a gear head, guys
Speaker 1: could flip out over packs. Hey, you're gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: and say this and if there's a there's somebody, there's
Speaker 1: a fine company out there that would like to sponsor
Speaker 1: this trip. I have for three years used a thirty
Speaker 1: dollar Walmart pack field Line Baby, the field Line. Actually
Speaker 1: I'm sponsored by field Line a year. Right. That pack
Speaker 1: is awesome. I mean it won't it's not gonna last forever,
Speaker 1: and it's starting to tear into place or two. But
Speaker 1: now we need some good packs. And we're looking at
Speaker 1: some exo mountain gear stuff in the stuff, and and
Speaker 1: I have a I have a couple of like standard
Speaker 1: issue fifteen year old uh uh solid frame packs you
Speaker 1: know that are just nothing special. But I have yet
Speaker 1: the nerd out on backpacks. Yeah, I think the load
Speaker 1: shelf is a little little low, one of those older ones.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it's it's been good. I haven't used it
Speaker 1: a whole lot, you know, but uh yeah, just any
Speaker 1: of these newer packs or are going to be really good.
Speaker 1: But it sounds like you have to get the measurements right,
Speaker 1: like you know, so like not it's not one pack
Speaker 1: fits all you have to measure I think it's from
Speaker 1: like your Eliot Crest thinking factors that in like you're
Speaker 1: going from the top of your hip bones basically to
Speaker 1: like I think the warrior back would bend a little bit.
Speaker 1: But there's there's good stuff out there on the online
Speaker 1: to figure out how to measure right for the pack,
Speaker 1: or if you go to any of these like shows
Speaker 1: and they bring the packs out, you can try one like.
Speaker 1: That's why I went with with qu was because they
Speaker 1: came to show close to my house and I could
Speaker 1: try it on and see what fit me at the time. Yeah, yeah, good. Well,
Speaker 1: there's certainly a lot of stuff like that that is
Speaker 1: not on this but in terms of just like this
Speaker 1: is the basics. This is the basics, And we went
Speaker 1: through a few specifics of stuff that we're that we're using.
Speaker 1: But but we are going we are going to Montana
Speaker 1: here sometime quite soon. Hey, I do want to say
Speaker 1: too on this podcast. I'm not sure if we'll be
Speaker 1: making another one right away, but one of one of
Speaker 1: our films was selected to be in the back Country
Speaker 1: Hunters and Anglers Anglers Film Festival, The Rendezvous. The Rendezvous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we made ah, we made a film about squirrel hunting
Speaker 1: on mules that made the cut, and you may have
Speaker 1: seen the film on YouTube. Um, but this is a
Speaker 1: this is a special back Country Hunters and Anglers version.
Speaker 1: That hunt took place on public land. And uh, they
Speaker 1: told me that there were multiple upwards of a dozen
Speaker 1: squirrel hunting on mule videos submitted, but ours was the best.
Speaker 1: And so that guy actually from b h A actually
Speaker 1: said that to me and I believed him. I was
Speaker 1: like reading this email in slow motion. I was just like,
Speaker 1: you're kidding me. A dozen people submitted videos on scrown
Speaker 1: with the mules. This is ridiculous. And then he put
Speaker 1: a little smiley face and I realized he was kidding.
Speaker 1: But so our film will be in that I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to that. The mules will be making a reappearance. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if you watch that Smokey, I mean, smoke is
Speaker 1: pretty old. So assuming that he he lives through the departure,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like, if Tray didn't call me
Speaker 1: like tomorrow, go man, Smokey passed away cold people to
Speaker 1: be driving Smokey in Montana. Yeah. If not, I'll be yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll have to figure out what you're
Speaker 1: gonna be doing. I'll be on one mountain filming you
Speaker 1: on the other Mountain. Yeah me and Isy yeah yeah.
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