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Speaker 1: Outrageously Dependable. My name is Clay Nucleman. I'm the host

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Speaker 1: of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your

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Speaker 1: American wilderness better. We'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation who

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Speaker 1: will also bring you into some of the wildest country

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Speaker 1: on the planet. Chasing battery. Welcome to the Bear Hunting

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Speaker 1: Magazine Podcast. We're at the Global headquarters today and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about our here list for going on

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Speaker 1: a spring do it yourself hunt in Montana. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: this podcast is gonna be a pretty technical in terms

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Speaker 1: we're just going through a list and basically we're going

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Speaker 1: through my personal packing list for going out west and

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Speaker 1: uh so that's what we're gonna be doing. I've got

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Speaker 1: with me in the office Colby moorehead I introduced Colby

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Speaker 1: a couple of podcasts ago, but Colby works for Bear

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Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine now full time. So Colby is uh, Colby

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Speaker 1: is doing all kinds of stuff for us. Um he's

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Speaker 1: Ryan Grab named him the Bear Hunting magazine bear tech.

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Speaker 1: I call him my tech nerd W. How would you

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Speaker 1: describe your how how would you describe your job here? Colby?

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Speaker 1: You've been here for two months almost two months? Two months? Uh?

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Speaker 1: See you need feeling need you need feeling need yep, yep.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that you could put it in a title.

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Speaker 1: Maybe bear tech is the best thing. Yeah, like bear tech,

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Speaker 1: I mean pretty much. The goal of Bear Hunting Magazine

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Speaker 1: is to promote conservation and bear hunting and best practices

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Speaker 1: inside of bear hunting. So that's pretty much what you

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Speaker 1: you support, all under laying foundational things inside of doing that. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So what's interesting though, is just today Colby Moorehead learned

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Speaker 1: that he's going to Montana with me. Oh man, my

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Speaker 1: legs aren't even Arkansas already yet, no doubt, no doubt. Man. Really,

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Speaker 1: I threw a ranch at Kobe this morning. But I

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Speaker 1: start into the skier list. I've been to Montana on

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Speaker 1: twenty and I went to Montana. The first Montana hunt

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Speaker 1: and we did a backpack hunt. We back we packed

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Speaker 1: more gear. Typically an equine animal that you're packing can

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Speaker 1: So I've been planning this hunt in my mind for

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Speaker 1: Kolbe enjoy gear stuff, and so you talk a lot

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Speaker 1: more knockdown power than a forty cow and a nine millimeter.

425
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: And it's a pretty hefty bullet, you know, bigger than

426
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: the three fifty seven or more, more more power. Um

427
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: So that's what I carry. What are you gonna carry?

428
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to carry a side arm too. Yeah,

429
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. You just learned about this trip like

430
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: an hour ago. Yeah, he had it out yet. Well,

431
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 1: I've got a I might just take a Revolver just

432
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: for simplicity. It's just a three seven. That's that's all

433
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: you need if I want to carry a pistol. I

434
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: we got a forty that that I keep sometimes. Yeah,

435
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: but I think revolver. I lost them. Uh. I lost

436
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: the magazine one time, Uh, whenever I was hog hunting

437
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: in a pistol and something a little nervous about losing

438
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: another A little nervous about losing another magazine from my

439
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: from either one would be good. Where we're gonna be

440
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: hunting is grizzly country, but it's not the big time

441
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: grizzly country like you hear of in in southwest Montana.

442
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: Um So. But the other thing that I'm gonna classifying

443
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: or weaponry is bear spray, and both of us will

444
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: will have bear spray and pistol. And that's pretty much

445
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: my philosophy is that bear spray and pistol um both

446
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: of them. And I took a lot of flak on

447
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: a YouTube video that I posted where I said I

448
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: did not chamber around in my glock as I carried it.

449
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: A lot of people were just like, that's crazy, that's

450
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: that's stupid. It's not even worth carrying because typically bear attacks,

451
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: if they happen, happens so quick you don't have a

452
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: lot of time. Um, I probably will chamber around. I've

453
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: just always I've just never been quite comfortable enough, especially

454
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 1: riding mules and stuff, having a round chambered. Um. But

455
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm probably just gonna go for it. And this is

456
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: what I've always done, and I may maybe somebody has

457
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: some feedback for me on this. I usually keep the

458
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: bear spray tucked away, not not far away, but a

459
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: way because my first defense is going to be that pistol. UM.

460
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: But if you're in a situation where let's let's say

461
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: we're out there and we're glassing, and all of a

462
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: sudden we see a gris out there at eighty yards

463
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: and it's just standing there on its hind legs looking

464
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: at us, I would meet. I would have seconds to

465
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: get in and get the bear spray. For me, the

466
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: bear spray is not like an immediate attack, like where

467
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: you come around a bush and there's a bear ten

468
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: feet away that's charging you. Like that's when I'm just

469
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: gonna trust the pistol that I can get it out

470
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: and shoot and hopefully the sound of the gun. I mean,

471
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna deter that animal from fully charging you. But

472
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: if it does hit you, at least you've got you've

473
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: got some rounds to put in him. Um. So, to me,

474
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: bear spray is more like the response that you use

475
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: if you have more than fifteen or twenty seconds, because

476
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: that's all it would take. I mean, I would carry

477
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: it with me all the time, it but it'll be

478
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: my pack. And so if I was down in super

479
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: duper grizz country, I'm sure that I would wear it.

480
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: But where we're at, the odd grizz might be in there,

481
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: but it would be cool to see one. Um, but

482
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: it's it's not it's not the norm. So that's my weaponry.

483
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: Threw in the wind mag ten minut meter gawk and

484
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: bear spray comments. Uh, I guess if you carry the

485
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: right pistol, it might not be you know, as big

486
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: of a deal to keep one in the chamber, you know,

487
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: like a glock doesn't have built in safety. Is like

488
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: a springfield, you know, like a springfield, you have that

489
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: that one that makes sure you're holding it. That beaver tail,

490
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: I think it's what it's called on the back, and

491
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: then you have the trigger and the trigger, like you

492
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: have a few more things, and I think was it glock?

493
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: Does it have the like a trigger that's just no safety. Yeah,

494
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: so I mean but ultimately, I mean you're not gonna

495
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: I mean, the the actual trigger would be covered by

496
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: your Yeah, I mean it's it's deep in a sheath.

497
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: It's deep in a sheath. It's well buckled. I mean

498
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty safe. Yeah, but still it's just a

499
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: mental thing of you know, I grew up bow hunting

500
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: so much that my dad put the fear of God

501
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: in that's about guns, which is good. Yeah. Um, but

502
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: I agree up the guns in the corner. Yeah. Well,

503
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: and we did too, but it was just a you know,

504
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean we just we didn't We didn't recreate with

505
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: guns that much. Other shooting skied and were hunting stuff,

506
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: but I mean we weren't shooters and just put it

507
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, you know, I grew up on a

508
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: more of a farm and so it was just like,

509
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, if something was coming up, getting after something, yeah,

510
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: you could take care of it. Always had a loaded

511
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: weapon close yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right, let's go into

512
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: the back country camping gear, all right, And I'm just

513
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: gonna go down this list and perhaps we'll put this

514
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: list up. I I don't know if I want to

515
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: be so bold as to put our list up, because

516
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 1: there's there there's certain things that probably we're gonna end

517
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,479
Speaker 1: up taking that aren't on this list. But these are

518
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: the main things. Tent. Yeah, tent I have. I have

519
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: gotten through everything that I've ever done with a fifteen

520
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: year old cell tech too man tent. Yeah. I believe

521
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: it's called Celtic sounds right. Um, you know, back fifteen

522
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: years ago, it was like a pretty high quality, lightweight

523
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: mountaineering tent. Yeah, nothing, nothing special, but a pretty good one.

524
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: And I've carried it to Montana, I've carried it in Arkansas,

525
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: and I've used it quite a bit. What kind of

526
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: tent do you have? It's some off brand one I

527
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: think that I got on Amazon. You're supposed to be

528
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: the gearhead. Yeah, well you told me. He told me

529
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 1: an hour ago. He's like, yeah, I got a two

530
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: man tent. I figured he'd like to be able to

531
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 1: tell the weight of it and you no, No, It's like,

532
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: you know, at some point we need to get does

533
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: it have any cartoon characters on it? Like Snoopy. I

534
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: don't know. I bought it for a click trip last

535
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: year and I never used it, so I haven't even

536
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: got it up and put it up. Okay, well it's

537
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: probably got like Snoopy or like Barbie dolls on it.

538
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: The little kids tents. Yeah, Pink is gonna be animated.

539
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be an army green kind of you know. Well,

540
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: but we need to get on those Nemo ones at

541
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: First Light. Yeah with them, Yes, just kind of ran

542
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: out of time. Yeah, first Light doesn't have him. I

543
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: contacted uh Bridget at First Light the other day and

544
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: they don't have them in the office yet. Yeah. But yeah,

545
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: so Nemo and First Light have have started doing some

546
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: branded branded content, branded content, branded merchandise for Backer. They've

547
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: got some sleeping bags and tents and a bunch of stuff.

548
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: We will certainly have some of those in the future. Yeah.

549
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: The other thing that we talked about that we should

550
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: have for this hunt, and we may figure out a

551
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: way to get one, is a Kafaru. Yeah, that'd be great. Um.

552
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: You know, I've done pretty good with my little tent,

553
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: but I would like to I would like to upgrade. Um,

554
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: and that would be one that would be good. The

555
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: Kafaro or the first light Nemo stuff. Yeah, yeah, they

556
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: all packed down pretty small. I think the main thing

557
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: that we need to that we need to do on

558
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: this trip before we go is pull this tent out

559
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: and reseal it. Yeah, you know, just to make sure

560
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: that if we get in a massive thunderstorm up there,

561
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: it stays dry. I will also take with me a

562
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: eight by ten to ten by ten tarp that I

563
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: will put over the top of that if it rains.

564
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: When we were back country hunting in Arkansas over Christmas break,

565
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: we were in a horrendous thunderstorm one night, but we

566
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: had a tarp stretched over the tent, so we had

567
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: the tent underneath the tarp that was tied with para

568
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: cord and uh, the tent kept water out. But still

569
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: we need to we need to make sure that that

570
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: thing don't leak. But so I will take a B

571
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: ten tarp with us, which is not on my list here.

572
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: But so there's obviously a lot more we can talk

573
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: about when it comes to wilderness shelters. That's the main thing.

574
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: So for two of us, we're probably just gonna take

575
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: one tent and we're gonna take his colby snoopy tent

576
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: um maybe for gear. Uh, we're gonna have it because

577
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty small. Okay, Um, so let's talk about betting. Yeah,

578
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: every I've traveled in spring and fall the last several years,

579
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: and I have found the sweet spot when you're hunting

580
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: and temperatures between sixty five and twenty degrees fahrenheit to

581
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: be a thirty degree bag. Okay, it's uh, the bag

582
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: isn't too huge, but it's it's also not too small.

583
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 1: And I've found that I, um, every time I hunt,

584
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: I usually sleep in the clothes that I'm wearing, and

585
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: if it's my first light gear, like I'm wearing like

586
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: my bass layers, and then probably a puffy puffy jacket

587
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: in a in a toboggan or beanie, and uh, stay

588
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: pretty warm. I find that a thirty degree bag doesn't

589
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: actually actually keep me warm at thirty degrees. I don't

590
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: know if have you ever experienced if you can't much, Yeah,

591
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: I think that they they design them to where you

592
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: can still survive at thirty Yeah, well in that case,

593
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: and yeah, I've heard that before. Actually now that you

594
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: say it, and that's been my experience, is that like,

595
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: if you were just thirty degrees, you know, just sleeping

596
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: without much many clothes on, you'd be uncomfortable. But the

597
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: temperatures when we're gonna be a Montana are gonna be

598
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: from sixty five to thirty degrees. Potentially up with a

599
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: little bit of elevation will be colder, So we're gonna

600
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: have thirty degree sleeping bags. I've got some Cabella's I

601
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: believe they're called Invader. It's a Cabella's branded sleeping bag

602
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: and it's uh, it's pretty good, pretty good bag. I

603
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: like that. Um. I like to take a blow up

604
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: therm arrest. I actually used. I've got one straight up

605
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: therm arrest. But also have a Cabella's branded you know

606
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: air mattress type deal that rolls up really small. Yeah,

607
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: and it's pretty thick. It takes quite a bit of

608
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: effort and energy to blow it up, but it's pretty

609
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: good on a back country hunt. I also almost always

610
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: take a full sized pillow. And now that is a luxury.

611
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: I think it's worth it. Yeah, Well, that's a luxury

612
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: that if you're riding a mule you can take. If

613
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 1: you were backpacking in you probably wouldn't do it. You'd

614
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: be you'd be taking a little camping pillow. I've also

615
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: just slept on my clothes before as a as a yeah,

616
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: as a pillow. I've used the my puffy first light

617
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: jacket like it folds up into its home pocket. I've

618
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: used that before, for sure. I've I've done the same thing,

619
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: all those fold up in the little football shapes. Um.

620
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna be back there for four or

621
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: five days and you've got the room on a mule,

622
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: I will probably bring one full sized pillow. Now, you

623
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: the cameraman won't be able to coby. Yeah, you're you're

624
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: on your You're on your own. You'll test test out

625
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: all these other ways to pillow. Yeah, just ki, Yeah,

626
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: you just I'm gonna use the cameras as my pillow,

627
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: just to make sure that they're protected. Hey, you know what,

628
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: James Lawrence, my old buddy, James Lawrence man when they

629
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: camped back in the nineteen seventies. I mean literally they

630
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: were just camping in these little army tents and he

631
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: used his saddle as his pillow. Interesting, he was, He's

632
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: the one that I kind of mirrored my back country

633
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: hunting off of. And uh, he was just looking for

634
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: something elevated to lay his head on, so his head

635
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: didn't lay back flat on the ground. So he slept

636
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: on that leather saddle as his pillow. Yeah, so you'll

637
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: be you'll be fine toughing it out. We've got two

638
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: sets used. Yeah, we got you. You will have two

639
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: saddles to sleep on. Um, so I take a real pillow, uh,

640
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: sleeping bag, mattress, pillow. That's it for sleeping. That's all.

641
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: That's all we'll have. Um. Okay, let's talk about food.

642
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: I use a jet boil that what's what's the other

643
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: brand that's so good? It? That's probably better? Oh man,

644
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: it just escaped you said it a minute ago. Jet

645
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: boil is the one that like will pop into your head.

646
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: I can find out once you find out what it is.

647
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah we should, we should know this, but they jet

648
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: boil like contraption that burns the ice. Approprial fuel is

649
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: what you've gotta have. And uh, I've heard people say

650
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: that jet boil is not supportive of modern conservation brilliant

651
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: hunters like us MSR. Yeah. MSR is probably a better

652
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: a better buy for for people. I currently do have

653
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: to admit that I have a jet boil, and uh

654
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: so we will we will be if this will be

655
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: a freeze dried food based backcountry hunt. Um, we'll take

656
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: a jet boil, will take multiple extra canisters of ice

657
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: propate fuel. Those things burn forever though you get a

658
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: big one. I mean they burn forever, but you don't

659
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: want to run out. Um, we'll use that. We'll use

660
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: that jet boil or that that earner to make coffee.

661
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: Usually just bring some instant coffee, either the crystals or

662
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: the packs, the little little like tea pouch type coffee deals.

663
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm new to the coffee world, okay. Yeah, Colby Kobe,

664
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah he's new. He dodn't really drink coffee that much.

665
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: You will in the back country. You will appreciate it.

666
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: Uh I. Now, this is a mule man's luxury right here.

667
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: I bring real half and half with me wherever I go.

668
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 1: If I'm in Alaska, if I'm in Montana, if I'm

669
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: in back country of Arkansas, I will have about twenty

670
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: five of those little little creamers. Okay, call me a sissy,

671
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: it's okay. I'm okay with it. I gotta have my

672
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: good half and half with my coffee, okay. Um, So

673
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: The main experience that I have with freeze dried food

674
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: has been with Mountain House. And there's a whole podcasts

675
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: that talk about the different options for food, but Mountain

676
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: House is probably the most popular, most readily available, most

677
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: commercialized of the freeze dried foods, and I've had great

678
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: experiences with them. They've got a lot of sodium in them.

679
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: They they any of the freeze dried food does for

680
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: the most part. Uh, That's the one thing I've heard

681
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: is that they do have a lot of sodium. So

682
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: if you're eating them for six seven days in a row,

683
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: you know you have a tendency to kind of feel bloated,

684
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: very a lot of calories. I think they taste great.

685
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: I do not get tired of them. I really don't.

686
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: I mean I could eat them. I could eat one

687
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: for lunch right now and just feel like I'd gone

688
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: out the dinner. I like them. Um, what I have

689
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: done on hunts where I've been with multiple people, as

690
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: I've calculated to per day, I mean, you really don't

691
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: want to eat more than two per day, even though

692
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: it seems like a small amount of food, it's a

693
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: lot of food, and uh, but what happens is if

694
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: for some reason you're really hungry and eat three in

695
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: a day. I don't know that I've ever eaten end

696
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: the day, but you could because you average it out.

697
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: Like so if two of us are going and we're

698
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: planning to be back in there for five days, I mean,

699
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: you take two per day per person, so you take right.

700
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: And they're pretty expensive. It costs like cheapest you can

701
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: get them as about seven eight dollars each, even when

702
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: you buy him in bulk, and that's what I do.

703
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: I buy him in bulk in these like twenty pack buckets,

704
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: and um, there's a wide variety of options, but it's

705
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: all good. Then I do bring an assortment of other

706
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: just non perishable goods, pretty much whatever I can fit

707
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: in there that I think might be good. I mean,

708
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,479
Speaker 1: I got might go to the grocery store and buy

709
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: some some raisins and some peanuts and some cliff bars, um,

710
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: you know, just just things that you can kind of

711
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: stash around that you can snack on throughout the day.

712
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: And then I also have on my list here I

713
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: usually bring some type of candy, I mean, just straight

714
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: up sugary candy for those moments, Kobe, when you're just

715
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: you just need a boost of something. It pairs well

716
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: with bear yep. Yeah, for like drawing in a bear. Oh,

717
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, I was talking about more. Actually we

718
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: get one okay, okay, got you got Okay, So we

719
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: would use this celebratory Okay, I thought you were talking

720
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: about baiting the bears. No, no, I don't know if

721
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: Montana would look Nope, can't do that. I can't do that.

722
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: Kobe Kobe out there baiting them with like sweet tarts

723
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: on the ground, like making little trails back to our

724
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: camp camp. Um. No, let's see coffee creamer, small amount

725
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: of candy, cliff bars, planning for two mountain houses per day.

726
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's pretty much it. That. One of

727
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: the limiting factors though, if you're doing a longer hunt

728
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: in the back country is food. Yeah. That's what we

729
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: found when we when we were carrying stuff in was

730
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: was food. Now when I went with Gym Sessions, Jim

731
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: is a veteran back country hunter that would bust the

732
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: trends of all these younger guys that are hunting. Jim

733
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: has been hunting. Jim's I don't know how old Jim is,

734
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: his fifties, like maybe even late fifties. And he's been

735
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 1: hunting Wyoming by himself on mules and horses his whole

736
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: life basically. And he brings a lot of fresh food

737
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: school he really does. His wife cooks a bunch of

738
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: stuff and uh, I mean we were eating I'm trying

739
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: to even remember how this was possible. It was pretty

740
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: cool when we were hunting and his wife made a

741
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: bunch of breakfast burritos that they just wrapped up and foil.

742
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: We ate for probably three days. My cousin did that

743
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: when we went to Colorado. Yeah, now we're all back

744
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: country hunting. We were so yeah, well ice chest, yeah yeah, well,

745
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: and that's what we did. We we carried all this

746
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: stuff in ice chest and then once we went back in,

747
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it was pretty it was pretty cool.

748
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: So the stuff stayed cool, but you'd be surprised how

749
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: long cooked food will stay good if it's staying pretty cool.

750
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: And so we did that. We carried he carried some

751
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: sausage and eggs and he likes to carry a full

752
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: cooking kit. Now, so we were cooking fresh food for

753
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: the most part. Yeah, and he was he was kind

754
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: of in charge of the logistics of our hunt at

755
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: that time. Um, so I wouldn't be opposed to bring

756
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: in a couple of days worth, you know, bringing a

757
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: We'll probably bring a skillet and some you know, some

758
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: bacon and some eggs or something just to kind of

759
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: for fun for a day or two then, but that's

760
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: probably what we'll do. So can you I guess? Uh,

761
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty we're just kind of hitting the

762
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: high points. This is a generic list here. That's my

763
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: main thing for food. Yeah. The other part of that

764
00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: would be water. Pretty much on a mule based time,

765
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: we could bring some water, and we may bring a

766
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: few bottles of water, but water will not be the

767
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: limiting factor because we'll be able to get to the creek.

768
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: And what I have used before is this, Uh I've

769
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: got it written down here. Yeah, it's the Catatin base

770
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: Camp Pro ten leader water filter. That's what it's called.

771
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: It's k A T A D Y in base Camp

772
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: Pro and so it's this hanging back. It holds ten leads.

773
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: So you go down the creek try to get some

774
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: fast running water that's uh, you know, in full of mud.

775
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: But even if it was, this thing would filter it.

776
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: Um and you you set it up and it drips,

777
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: so you unhinched this little cord and you put your

778
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: container down. There will bring some like now gene bottles

779
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: something like that, and you know it'll take it three

780
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: or four minutes to fill up your water container. Gravity filter, yep,

781
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: gravity filter. So we'll bring one of the those. But

782
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: we'll also bring a LifeStraw. Yeah, I've got one of those. Two. Yeah,

783
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: those are handy, just just to have in your pack,

784
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: stick in the mud hole and drink if you had to. Um.

785
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: Where we're gonna be hunting is gonna be up above

786
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: where there's much water. There might be some snow banks

787
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: around that we'd be able to gather a little bit

788
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: of water to boil down if we wanted to for

789
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: mountain houses and stuff. But we will have to carry

790
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: some water up. Now, we could easily go down two

791
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: thousand feet and get water and come back up on

792
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: a mule, which wouldn't be that big of a deal

793
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: if you're on foot, it would be Yeah, you know,

794
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Where we're gonna be camping is well,

795
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: it all depends on where the snow line's at. I

796
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: don't know if I ideally would be camping at six

797
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: thousand feet. Now we may we have not got into

798
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: the nitty gritty of it's six thousand feet even there

799
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: right now might be a under four feet of snow.

800
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: In that case we'll be camping lower than that. But

801
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 1: but anyway, that's what we'll that's what we'll take. Um,

802
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: here's a couple of just different things will be. You know,

803
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: you you take your personal toiletries and whatever. You you know,

804
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: you take a toothbrush and toothpaste, you know for sure. Um,

805
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: wet wipes. Yeah, I'm big wet white man. Yeah, yep,

806
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: wet wipes. They're good for all kinds of stuff, even

807
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: just cleaning your hands. You know, at the end of

808
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: the day, if you've if you've been messing with the mules,

809
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: or you know, you just or just kind of taking

810
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: a small just like wipe down bath with one of them,

811
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: you just feel refreshed. So I like taking wet wipes.

812
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: Um primethrin. When we were in Montana the first year,

813
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: it was ridiculous how many ticks there were and we

814
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: were totally unprepared. I'm prepared. I mean I didn't even

815
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: have any off. Um, we will spray down our clothes

816
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 1: with with this. Uh, how do you say it? Yeah,

817
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: permethrin and and that I'll that'll keep that'll keep the

818
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: ticks at bay pretty good. Yeah, that's something for sure.

819
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: We bring garment in reach for navigation. Both of us

820
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: have garment in reaches for If you don't know what

821
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: a garment end reach, I mean most guys in the

822
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: honey world probably would. But it's a it's a it's

823
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: a GPS and a satellite text messaging device. It costs

824
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: about foreigner bucks. You pay about eleven dollars a month

825
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: the lowest possible plan and basically you get ten free

826
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: text messages per month and you've got an s O

827
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: S button. So if we get back in there and

828
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: something happens, we could hit s O S and it

829
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: alerts the local authorities that somebody's in trouble and they

830
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: need to send help. Basically up. Yeah, so you don't

831
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: want to hit that button on accident. Now Here, they

832
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: actually message you. They try to message you to like

833
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: say what's going on? Yeah, you know, so potentially if

834
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: you hit it on accident, you could go my bad.

835
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: But no guarantees on that, um, but uh, it does

836
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: make you feel just a little bit better to know

837
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: that if something crazy happened that you could hit that

838
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: button and you know, you couldn't count somebody getting there fast.

839
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, it'd be difficult to hit that s OS

840
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: on accident on accident. They've got to get it pre protected.

841
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: They and actually when you hit it, it gives you

842
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: accuse you again. It says are you sure you want

843
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: to do this? I mean, it says something like that,

844
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: and so then you hit yes, and it's uh and

845
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: you're good. She okay, we gotta we got firm the

846
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: plothhound in here. She's getting a little restless, so that'll

847
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: be how we navigate. Will also have our on X

848
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: on our phones will download these sections so you'll be

849
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: able to kind of look at some because the garment

850
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: these en reached garments. If you're using the stuff that

851
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,959
Speaker 1: the maps that come with them, they're not great maps. Yeah,

852
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: I mean they're not. I don't want to dog them.

853
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: They're there, but they're not like highly detailed maps, and

854
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: it's certainly not satellite imagery or as user friendly. Yeah,

855
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: yeahs on it. Yeah, it's kind of like a just

856
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: a last resort type deal. Um, okay, here's a little

857
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: tech tip for you that country camping tip. Yeah, I

858
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: have a pair of croc like shoes. I do as well. Okay,

859
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: I carry those with me everywhere I go. Let your

860
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: feet dry out at night. It's so nice to be

861
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: even in the back, and they're super light. Yeah. Do

862
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,959
Speaker 1: you wear multiple pairs of socks? No? Yeah, I saw

863
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: where guys will have like a where two pairs of

864
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: socks will be like a liner layer of some Marino sock,

865
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: and then they'll put their like first light socks like

866
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 1: on top of that, and then it wicks the moisture

867
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: a way from your foot. It's supposed to help. Yeah,

868
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: that's what sissies do. Okay, uh oh no, No, that's

869
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: probably a good idea. You know, I just wear a variety.

870
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: I think I have every possible pair of first light socks.

871
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: They've got, you know, these crew socks that comped about

872
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: halfway on your calf, which are lightweight, athletic Marino wool

873
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: and spandex, And they've got these ones that come up

874
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: to me, they come up actually almost over my kneecap,

875
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: super tall. But then I've got some of the thicker

876
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: warmer weather socks. But I man marino wool socks to me,

877
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: or a non negotiable. Yeah, you can wear the same

878
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: pair of socks an entire seven day hunt. I might

879
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: do it. I've done it. You know, you gotta let

880
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: them dry out at and I mean, you know it's

881
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: nice to take them off. And I mean if you

882
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: get them like soaking wet and you gotta take them

883
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: off and let him dry. But they dry quick and

884
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: you can pick them up the next day and they

885
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: don't smell terrible, and you can wear them again. They

886
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: say you can put stuff that's damp in the sleeping

887
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: bag with you in your body heat dries it. Oh yeah,

888
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: I've never done that. Um, So here we go. Knife yep.

889
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 1: I like to carry a Barracuda. Um, have a lone,

890
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: have a line, but I love him the big ones.

891
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: And I carry four or five extra blades in case

892
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: we had to skin a bear too. But you can

893
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: skin a bear on one easily. Yeah, one have lin blade.

894
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: But I'll also take a standard knife and I my

895
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: father in law has a Steve Schultz custom knives. I'll

896
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: carry a pack rap. He's got a little skeleton knife

897
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: with no uh no handle on it. It's just the

898
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: handle has been wrapped in para cord. You got one,

899
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: don't you. Ye've got one of those two? Yeah, super

900
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: awesome knife has a what's what's the sheath made out

901
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: of on those things, so it's lightweight, clips on your belt,

902
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: has a little little clip on it. You can orientate

903
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: it different ways, which which helps to like I have

904
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: mine on like my backpack on the sleeve of it

905
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 1: where I can just like pull it out real quick

906
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: if I need it for whatever. Yeah, guys, y'all could uh,

907
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: y'all could do y'all could do us a favorite by

908
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: going and checking out Steve Schultz Custom Knives. Yeah, and

909
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: I think it's about a d twenty dollars for that

910
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: pack rap, but it's really high grade steel. It's a

911
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: totally custom handmade knife, and you can have all kinds

912
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: of different colors on the on the para cord that's

913
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: wrapped around the handle. But it's a great back country

914
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: knife light and just it's just fail proof. I mean,

915
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: there's just just a it's just a super strong, good knife.

916
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: I think the my favorite knife as far as like

917
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: like one that's produced a lot. We could just go

918
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: buy it, like I could Bella's or something would probably

919
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: be like the bench made like the steep country. Yeah,

920
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: it held such a great edge. Like you know, I've

921
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: used custom knives for so long, I'm totally out of

922
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: the knife world except for the half n which I

923
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: would love, absolutely love. Yeah. But um, all right, so

924
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: these are kind of our camping are camping this is

925
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: our camping list. We talked about tents, We talked about

926
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: therm arrest pillows, heating devices for jet boils and whatnot.

927
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: We talked about food, we talked about crocs, we talked

928
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: about uh permithin um, we talked about sleeping bags, toletries, knives.

929
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: So that's kind of our back country camping gear list.

930
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: What I don't want to talk about now is optics.

931
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: This is a pretty big deal for any back country hunter,

932
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: and it's something that I've been in Arkansas hunter kind

933
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 1: of had to get used to because I've in Arkansas.

934
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: You can't see more than about forty yards in any direction,

935
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: and so having really good optics has never been really

936
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: a limiting factor. But uh, what kind what kind of

937
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: optics tell us about your like us, because that's mainly

938
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: what we're gonna be using. Yeah, they're the like I

939
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: think they're called the gelvid thinking a tim by fifty.

940
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: But they have a built in range finder, just really

941
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: good glass. They're just they're the clearest pair of binoclers

942
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 1: I've I've looked through. I'm not gonna say they're the best,

943
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: but they're up there with like the Swarowskis and yeah,

944
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: those those other high end So in the range on

945
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: that one, it'll range out to a thousand yards, is

946
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: that right? I think it might even be a little

947
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: further than that. Really, See this is this is what

948
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: maybe further than you'll shoot. But you've never had a

949
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 1: hunter elape best of the web, kid, No, So that

950
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,959
Speaker 1: is an issue when you have a long range rifle

951
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: or even not even I mean anymore. A long range

952
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: shot is or shots that are people are taken are

953
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: longer than previous decades. Let's just say that. And uh like,

954
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 1: I've got a cheap uh I think it's a six

955
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 1: hour uh M, just like four hundred yard range finder.

956
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just kind of like an archery range

957
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: finder really, And you get out to Montana and all

958
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: of a sudden you realize that thing is pretty much

959
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: worthless because you can't range across these canyons that five, six,

960
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: eight hundred yards and not that you're gonna take an

961
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: eight hundred yards shop, but it sure helps to know

962
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: the distance, you know, and when you do have a

963
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: gun that's capable of shooting that far and you have

964
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,479
Speaker 1: practiced with it and really feel capable. Which man, I've

965
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: spent seven days hunting with Jim two years ago. I mean,

966
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: super good long range shooter. We talked and talked, and

967
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 1: I looked at how he how he how he did

968
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: his setups when he would shoot. They do a lot

969
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: of dry firing. Like if let's say you're shooting to

970
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: bear at six hundred yards, you're gonna have some time.

971
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 1: It's not like he's gonna be running and you're gonna

972
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: be shooting him in that far. If you're shooting a

973
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: long distance, you do have time. So he sets the

974
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: gun on up and he carries his little tripod with

975
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: him within sandbags. He actually carries it in the back country. Yeah,

976
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: and uh, you get set up and you unchambered around

977
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: and dry fire it. Put it right on, just like

978
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: you want to breathe and squeeze and see what happens

979
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: to the crosshairs when you dry fire. Are you shooting,

980
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: are you shooting prone or yep? Prone. Yeah, prone, I mean,

981
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: like that's all he wanted to shoot's prone, and so

982
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: he you would dry fire, and you would gain confidence

983
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: based upon what you saw when you dry fired, or

984
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: potentially you'd realize you need to wait, you know, because

985
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: if that if that cross air drops off of that

986
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: animal or moves that much comes out of the kill zone,

987
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: then you've got no business shooting. And then you know,

988
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: finally you chamber your live round. You're having somebody with

989
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: a spot and scope and you you shoot, and so

990
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: it's it's much more calculated than somebody might think who

991
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: had never been in that situation and just like, oh man,

992
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: you're just slinging lead at six hundred yards and an animal.

993
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: That's unethical. I mean, we could have a long, long

994
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: debate about whether it's ethnical to shoot at something at

995
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: seven hundred yards when you've practiced, have the equipment, and

996
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: have done everything, versus taking a thirty five yard shot

997
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: at a deer with your bow. I mean, it's all

998
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: the ethics of it depend upon the person that's behind

999
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: the trigger or behind the bow, you know. I mean,

1000
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: because there's lots of people I know, including me, at

1001
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: different times, that have no business shooting at an animal

1002
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: at thirty five yards with a bow. Yeah, but it's

1003
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: a lot easier to pick on a guy that's long

1004
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: range shooting because it seems so it seems so far,

1005
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, And maybe you don't have a gun that

1006
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: can shoot that far. Maybe you're not capable of shooting

1007
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: that far. But I can tell you, and I'm not

1008
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: claiming to be a great shot, but I have shot

1009
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: my gun out to eleven hundred yards and hit U

1010
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: eighteen by eighteen still played at eleven hundred yards. Ranted.

1011
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: It took me a while. We didn't have the right distance.

1012
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: I mean, there was some many variables, but I'm confident

1013
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: that I could go back and uh easily even shoot

1014
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: that far with this current gun that I've got. And uh,

1015
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: and then when I was in BC last year, we're shooting, uh,

1016
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: we're shooting two letter coke bottles at eight hundred yards,

1017
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: and um, you know, I was. I was consistently hitting

1018
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: a spot as big as a beach ball at a

1019
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: hundred yards every shot. And I can't tell you that

1020
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: I hit the two letter bottle the first shot. The

1021
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: gun was that doing that, But my and I was

1022
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: also had to rest on a stump. I mean it

1023
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: was like it was kind of like a real hunting situation.

1024
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: We're just like we when we did know the exact

1025
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: range and we set up and I got a good

1026
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: rest on the stump and would have hit a beach

1027
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: ball sized spot every single shot for like five or

1028
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: six shots at a hundred yards. And I mean it's

1029
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: pretty good shooting, um, because first of all, I'm probably

1030
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: not gonna take an eight hundred yards shot, but you know,

1031
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: a black bear's vitals are in the range of that size.

1032
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: Good size black bear would be you could describe it as, yeah,

1033
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: about the size of a beach ball, you know. So

1034
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: ethics all depends upon what you're capable of, you know.

1035
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: But uh, okay, so that I also want to say

1036
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: that I've carried the husk the mall ten by forty

1037
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: two s for several years. Super small and lightweight. That's

1038
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: what I like about them. Clear Glass. Did they sell

1039
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: that anymore? Is it on their website? I haven't been

1040
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: able to find it for Yeah, I don't know that

1041
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: those are still in production because they sell like on

1042
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: their long range s tour. Really okay, they may quit

1043
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: selling those, but that's that's what I have carried for

1044
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: several years, and I do like them because they're so

1045
01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: light and they are clear. Um, oh are they up there? Yeah?

1046
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: I guess they got another run of them. They're expected

1047
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: August of nine. Okay, so they sold them out and

1048
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: now they're getting more in in August. I see. Okay,

1049
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: all right. Then the last section here that we want

1050
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: to talk about is clothing. This is probably the hardest

1051
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: one because there's so many, so many variables, and guys

1052
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: that have not hunted much out on a hunt like

1053
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: this often take away too much stuff, which that's what

1054
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: I learned about myself. I took way too much gear. Um.

1055
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what I pack and what I'm

1056
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: familiar with, and that's first Light Gear. I've been wearing

1057
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: first Light Gear since and I've pretty much exclusively worn

1058
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: first Light Gear. So I cannot speak really objectively from

1059
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: experience with any of the other high end clothing companies

1060
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: Sitka Coo you. I've just not worn them, But I

1061
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: have warned first Light for all these years and know

1062
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: the product line fairly well. I don't know the the

1063
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: new twenty nineteen gear as well. I do have one

1064
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: of the one of their Uh. I think it's called

1065
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: the Brooks. Uh they're they call a sweater. But I

1066
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: do have one of their new jackets that nobody's got yet. Um.

1067
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: But so I'm just gonna go through First Light gear.

1068
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: But you this could be translated to other things. But

1069
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: I've had great success with First Light. I like them

1070
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: as a company, and that's that's all I wear. All right,

1071
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start off with tops. Okay, this is what

1072
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: I will bring when we hunt is I will have

1073
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: two pairs of Marino Wool underwear that uh, what's it?

1074
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: Once you get on the first Light side. So I'm

1075
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: not so the names I'm saying are accord. I believe

1076
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: they call them. They're like, what do they call it?

1077
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: I want to say red dirt underwear, but I don't

1078
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: think that's what it's called. Um, but I'll have two

1079
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: pairs of the Marino Will underwear. When I first heard

1080
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: about this, I thought, man, that's kind of over the

1081
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: top to have Marino Will underwear. But Marino wool truly

1082
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: is a magical fabric to have on skin. So if

1083
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: you're wearing cotton underwear or some type of spans that

1084
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: spandex synthetic underwear that will be the limiting factor, that's

1085
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: that of chafing and holding moisture and not drying out.

1086
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: And so it makes a ton of sense actually to

1087
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: have some Marino wool boxers. Okay um, I think they

1088
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: changed the name of them. They've got several different names.

1089
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: Go ahead, what are they? One was Dobson okay uh,

1090
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:53,439
Speaker 1: I think the other one was Lynn Brook. Okay, Well,

1091
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: two pairs of those I'll take, and then I'll take

1092
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: a one basse layer pant bass layer of marino wool,

1093
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: which what I have is the Alleghany. But I didn't

1094
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: see that they've got some a new one called the

1095
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: Fuse Long John, which, if you've not heard me talk

1096
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,479
Speaker 1: about marino wool before, I was not a believer there

1097
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: for a while, or just was inexperienced and and and

1098
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: was like a marino will probably not anything special. But

1099
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: when I hunt, use marino wool on skin for any

1100
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: type of any type of hunting, from super cold hunting

1101
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: like in Canada that I do all the way to

1102
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: hunting here in Arkansas when it's eighty degrees. A lot

1103
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: of people wouldn't understand marino wool when it's hot, but

1104
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: it's actually exactly what you want to be wearing when

1105
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: it's hot, because it works moresh your way from skin.

1106
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: It dries out very quickly. The example I always give

1107
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: is if you've got a cotton T shirt that you've

1108
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: been outside working in and it gets damp and sweaty,

1109
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: that and you watered up and throw it down the floor.

1110
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: The next day, that thing will still be damp and

1111
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: when you pick it up it just has that smell. Well,

1112
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 1: Marino will dries out much quicker than cotton, and when

1113
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: it dries out, it does not hold near as much

1114
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: older odor. Uh. You know, at different times I've said

1115
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: it's almost odor free, but if you wear it for

1116
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: like seven days straight, it will have odor um but

1117
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: not near as much as caught. I mean, like almost

1118
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: exponentially less than cotton. And uh, it doesn't affect the bacteria.

1119
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: So like if you go saying to some fast food

1120
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: restaurant with it, it'll smell like that, but as far

1121
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: as like the sweat and stuff from you like, it

1122
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: attacks that it's like anti microbule or something like that

1123
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: where it you know, I'm not sure the science behind

1124
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: the marino will. I do know that from in terms

1125
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: of temperature regulation. And I think we maybe we talked

1126
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: about this, not another one. Marino wooll. Marino sheep are

1127
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: grown in places where it gets very very hot and

1128
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: also very very cold. So these cheaper living in places

1129
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: that have these huge temperature swings, and so it might

1130
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: be cold one day and hot the next, and so

1131
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: their wool is capable of insulating when it's cold, but

1132
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: also uh regulated, you know, letting heat out when it's hot.

1133
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the why I understood it. And uh

1134
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: and so that's what you want to happen inside of

1135
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: inside of your hunting gear. But the main thing is

1136
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: is that when wool gets wet, it's still insulates. That's

1137
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: that's the tried and true. It's not just marino will

1138
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: that does that will. If you get wet, if you

1139
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: get wet when you're wearing cotton, you're in trouble. You

1140
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: are going to get cold, chilled to the bone. And obviously,

1141
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: depending upon how cold it's gonna get, whether it's life

1142
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: threatening or whether it's just uncomfortable for the day. Okay,

1143
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: Marino wool is much different than that. Um. But the

1144
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: key thing about marino wools it's soft. Most guys think

1145
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: of like the old wool ool stuff that people used

1146
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: to wear. It would be like scratchy and kind of stickery.

1147
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: You know. Marino wool a soft wool, and so it

1148
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: feels like cotton, so it's comfortable like cotton. First Light

1149
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: also has some synthetic blends. So they've got this Marino

1150
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: wool stuff that's blended with synthetic stuff, so it kind

1151
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: of has an athletic feel. But that's good stuff too.

1152
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: The arrow wool believe it's what it's called. But okay,

1153
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: so I'll Marino wool boxers of Fuse Long John. The

1154
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: shirts might go to First Light shirts right now, or

1155
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: the Furnace Henley and the Men's Furnace Quarters up. I

1156
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: love the Henley. Do you which one? Do you have?

1157
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: What pattern? You got? Fusion Fusion? Yeah, yeah, me too.

1158
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: I've got some cipher. But so there's lots of different

1159
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: options and shirts and you really can't go wrong. But

1160
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: those are the two that I'm wearing a lot right now. Okay,

1161
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: and Kobe, I will take two shirts. Let's just say

1162
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: we're going into the back country planning for five days.

1163
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: Even though we're planning to be gone, we're planning a

1164
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: hunt for seven But when we go in the back country,

1165
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: I will I will take two shirts, okay, alright, you

1166
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: with me? The other shirt, well, bass layer on skin

1167
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: Marino wool shirts, and I'll alternate days usually probably what

1168
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: that's my theory, alternate did I probably won't do that. Um,

1169
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: listen to this story. When I was with Gym Sessions

1170
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: in Montana, I wore the same day clothes for six

1171
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: days straight and never took him off. For real. Uh

1172
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: were my alleghany bass layer pants? And I can't remember

1173
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: what kind of marino wool bass layer shirt it was.

1174
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: Uh was there? Uh? Shoot, I forgot, I forgot what

1175
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,600
Speaker 1: I mean. It was just there there, midweight, just standard

1176
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: first Light shirt. It escaped me what it was called.

1177
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: But wore him every single day, never took him off.

1178
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: And I and I I was wearing at the time,

1179
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: the North Branch soft shell pant with the Marino will

1180
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: underneath them. That soft shell pant. They don't make them anymore.

1181
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: I've i've, I've talked with the first Light they they

1182
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't hear my plea continue on with the North Branch

1183
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: soft shell. I loved it, um, and then and then

1184
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: on top I would come in and out of a

1185
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: of a un Kapa gray puffy jacket with the hood

1186
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: with the hood and I slept in it for six days. Um.

1187
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: But going back to shirts, so those are the two

1188
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: Marino I'll have two Marino wool basse layer shirts. But

1189
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: then what I will take with me this year is

1190
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,839
Speaker 1: a Klamath hoodie. Ye. The Klamath has a more athletic

1191
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: fit than the than the former. My other favorite first

1192
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: light gear was the the the quarters zip sweater that

1193
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: they had that isn't Marino wool. But the Klamath hoodie

1194
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: isn't Marino wool. It's like a it's like a it's

1195
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: just like a hoodie, you know. Has um But I

1196
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: like the athletic fit and I like the hood. I

1197
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: end up pulling that hood over. Those are the three

1198
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: shirts that I'll bring. Yeah, so too, Marino wool and

1199
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: the Klamath, the Klamath hoodie jackets. Moving right on to jackets.

1200
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: I have traveled all over North America chasing Barris with

1201
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: an Ukampa gray puffy jacket. I love them. I mean

1202
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: to this day, when I pull it out, I like

1203
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: feel like warm, fuzzy feelings all down on the inside

1204
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 1: because it is such a awesome jacket. It's lightweight, it's

1205
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: not made for beating the brush. I've I've tore some

1206
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: holes in them. There's no you can't get around that.

1207
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like a car heart jacket, you

1208
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: know that's designed to just like beat the brush. But

1209
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: there are a lot more durable than you think. Um.

1210
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: And I find that when I layer like with a

1211
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: with a let's say I've got that quarters at Marino

1212
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: wool on Klamath hoodie unka pargrey vest man, you can

1213
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: stay warm or in compagrey jacket. The other jacket quote

1214
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 1: unquote that will bring will be Unca pagree vest. I

1215
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: love Unca paragrey vest with the Unca pagree puffy jacket. Okay,

1216
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: super lightweight, but then you get that layering of two

1217
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: pretty significant layers. And I find that you can stay

1218
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: pretty warm in temperatures down into the thirties with that

1219
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: with basically two puffy puffy vest puffy jacket I called

1220
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: the puffy I think most of them do too. Um.

1221
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: I will I do have their new catalyst system, and

1222
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: I will probably bring both the top end bottom of

1223
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 1: their catalyst system, which is just their soft shell. So

1224
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a soft shell, soft shell, like

1225
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: the puffy wouldn't be soft shell. The puffy is that lightweight,

1226
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, kind of scratchy material that like a bow

1227
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 1: hunter and a tree stand wouldn't want to wear. Yeah,

1228
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: but the soft shell is a soft to touch, non

1229
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: marino wool uh outer layer that's just a thin just

1230
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 1: a thin jacket. And the pants are the same. They're

1231
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: a little bit insulated there. They're like two layered, like

1232
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: there's a layer inside and layer outside. But that's their

1233
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: catalyst system. The jackets the same. I will also bring

1234
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 1: a sawtooth hybrid jacket that I will layer with based

1235
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: upon the weather. So so on this hunt with temperatures

1236
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: from sixty six to let's say thirty five degrees, that's

1237
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: what the forecast says right now, my maximum layer in

1238
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: capacity would be two marino wool shirts Klamath hoodie, uncapagrey vest,

1239
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: uncapa gray well under that would be a sawtooth hybrid

1240
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 1: vest and then a puffy full puffy. So that would

1241
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: be like that's the way I like to think about it.

1242
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: I'd like to think about could you put everything that

1243
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 1: you have on and stay warm in the most difficult

1244
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: circumstances possible. And if the answer is no, then you

1245
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: don't have enough because you're preparing for the worst. But

1246
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: you're also not wanting to bring way overkill, so you

1247
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,759
Speaker 1: kind of want to be like Teeter, right on that edge.

1248
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: And let's say it got down to twenty five degrees

1249
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: and was windy. I think I would stay at least

1250
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: warm enough with what I've got for in this in

1251
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: this situation. Does that make sense? Yep? I think that's

1252
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: a good rule of thumb. Think about putting every single

1253
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 1: thing you've got on and would that keep you warm?

1254
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 1: And if it would keep you way too warm, then

1255
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: probably you're bringing too much stuff, Like it would be

1256
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: way overkill. Like if I had you know, six mid

1257
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 1: mid legs, you know, mid level shirts, and you'll be like, Okay,

1258
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: I put six shirts on this, this, this, this, this, this, this,

1259
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 1: You're like, man, that's way overkill. You're probably bringing too

1260
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: much stuff. Okay, let's talk about pants. Pants. I'll bring

1261
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 1: two kinds of pants. Well, potentially, I've got to make

1262
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: a decision. I'll bring the Catalyst soft shell pant they're

1263
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 1: kind of a thicker pant, and I'll wear the alleghanty

1264
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: bottoms underneath them. I bet of this hunt, but I'm

1265
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,520
Speaker 1: gonna make a decision on whether i bring the Corget

1266
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: God pants or the Obsidian Marino pants. So the first

1267
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 1: like Corget goide pants are like an athletic fit, like

1268
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: stretchy um, kind of feel like almost like spandex like material,

1269
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: really comfortable, breathable, lightweight um. But they're more for hot

1270
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: weather stuff. The other one is the Marino will pant

1271
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: the Obsidian, and I really like those. They would be

1272
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: a little bit better for for weather stuff. They'd be

1273
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: a little bit better for colder weather because potentially you

1274
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: would if you got wet, that marino wool would keep

1275
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 1: you warm. Okay, all right. Rain gear Seek, I've got

1276
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: all the Seek gear the South It's it's it's an

1277
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: acronym for Southeast Alaska. But the First Light seat gear,

1278
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 1: I've yet to get wet in it, and I've used

1279
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: it in Saskatchewan and pounding rain and boats and have

1280
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: used it a lot um. I didn't have as good

1281
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: luck with the storm tight stuff from First Light, but

1282
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: they've massively improved it since five years ago when they

1283
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 1: come up with a storm side stuff. The Seek stuff

1284
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: is the real deal. I've got Seek pants on top,

1285
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: You've got a Seek jacket, the storm top bottoms. If

1286
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: you're not sitting in something, those storm top bottoms will

1287
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: keep you dry. If you're sitting in a boat seat

1288
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: for four hours, that's getting you're just sitting in water.

1289
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: I've seen them leak. Yeah, they leaked on me a

1290
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: little bit. But I I ripped them on something. To you. Yeah,

1291
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: well that that's they're kind of like lower. It's really lightweight.

1292
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's not really made for just like setting

1293
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: the pounding rain. Yeah. I did great for a while.

1294
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 1: I think I was. I was hunting the rain, and eventually,

1295
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 1: like after a couple of hours, it was the SEQ

1296
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that to you, Okay, Um, head gear, I

1297
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: think the best piece of gear that First Light makes.

1298
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: And this is gonna surprise you. This is this is

1299
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: Clay Nuke a most valuable player. Yeah. First Light gear

1300
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: goes to drum roll goes to the brimmed Marino Beanie.

1301
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,719
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, no no, no no, no. I was reading.

1302
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: I never had a list. I've got a list today.

1303
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 1: Not that it's the tag cuff beanie. Yeah, man, I

1304
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: like mine that thing when I was in Idaho hunting

1305
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,799
Speaker 1: and it was it was two. It was like negative

1306
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: two degrees and we were riding snowmobiles twenty five miles.

1307
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: Two of those two tag cuff beanies and then pulling

1308
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: up a uh, pulling up stuff, you know, a hoodie

1309
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 1: over your head with whatever you're wearing underneath. Super warm, man,

1310
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: that thing gets wet, you stay warm. It's I've carried

1311
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: them all over and I usually carry two with me.

1312
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: I get pretty cold pretty easy. And man, if you

1313
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: can keep your head warm, so good. Um. The other

1314
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: thing that I like to wear is that brim brim

1315
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 1: Marino beanie. I like it. I like the short brim.

1316
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: I like the way it feels like the lightweightness of it.

1317
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:32,520
Speaker 1: I like it when people think it looks funny. Um,

1318
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: you need you need one of them. You've got one

1319
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: you were do they think you look funny? I think

1320
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 1: you look funny at him comments, I'm speech all right,

1321
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 1: last thing on the list and then we're gonna close down, Kobe. Um. Gloves,

1322
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: I am not a glove man. I mean, if it's

1323
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 1: like freezing cold outside, you know, four out of five

1324
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 1: people have gloves on, and I won't have gloves on.

1325
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: I just like to be able to touch stuff, like

1326
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: usually i've got camera gear I'm bow hunting or um

1327
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 1: for even when I'm riding the mule, I like to

1328
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: be able to feel the reins. I don't know why.

1329
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 1: I think it's just a personal deal, but but I

1330
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: will carry the first light arrow wool liner glove, super thin,

1331
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: and and it just it takes the it just takes

1332
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: the edge off the cold. But still you get that touch.

1333
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: You know. They're not made, they're not durable, they're not

1334
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 1: made for working, and you'll pop a hold on them

1335
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: pretty quick. But just for cool mornings when you just

1336
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 1: want to take the take the sting and the edge

1337
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: off the cold on your hands. I really like them.

1338
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: The only costs like seven teen bucks, so it's a

1339
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: cheap little glove, and it's Marino wool so if it

1340
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: gets wet, it'll dry out quick. Um. I like them.

1341
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 1: Sometimes I have a hard time find them in a bag. Yep.

1342
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: They're so small, yep, in the midst of all the

1343
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 1: rest of the fusion. Yes, yes, uh, the other thing

1344
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: that I that I carry, and I don't know if

1345
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:00,640
Speaker 1: I carried on this trip or not, but I'll have

1346
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 1: them in the bag at least in the truck and

1347
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: we'll make a decision based upon the weather and stuff.

1348
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 1: Is the soft shell shooting glove, it's there. It's they're

1349
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 1: kind of like it almost feels like it's neopreme. It's not,

1350
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 1: but and it goes way up on your wrists and

1351
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: vel crow's pretty hype on your wrist, probably two inches

1352
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 1: above your hand yea. And I mean they're pretty solid

1353
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: gloves that you could use for I mean, you could

1354
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: shoot in them. Uh well they're a shooting glove, but

1355
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 1: you could. Uh they're they're tougher. You know, you could

1356
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 1: move around logs at camp and I mean, you know,

1357
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 1: they're kind of made for doing stuff like that at looks.

1358
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 1: That's been my experience. And those are the ones that

1359
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: have to cut up for your like archery relation. Yeah,

1360
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: that's what it is. That's what it is. Those Okay,

1361
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 1: well I will carry those also had their uh scree gloves. Yeah,

1362
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: I believe they got one called screw they're used to.

1363
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 1: It's just kind of a standard, just like smaller glove,

1364
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: but a notch up and turn is a protection from

1365
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: their errol liner their errow wol excuse me. They came

1366
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: out with quite a few gloves this year. They've got

1367
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: a bunch of new ones. I haven't really looked at

1368
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 1: them yet. Yeah, we've got a bunch of new ones. Well, hey,

1369
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 1: we've gone, We've gone long enough. Here, this is the

1370
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 1: this is our list. I guess it's been fairly exhaustive.

1371
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 1: But I would feel confident today using this list and going.

1372
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 1: Now there's gonna be something like, you know, I didn't

1373
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: put like a lighter on here, Like, yeah, you should

1374
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 1: take I carry a lighter with me every time I

1375
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 1: get out of the truck in the back country. Yeah,

1376
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: I like starting fires, or like a good pair of boots. Well,

1377
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about boots. Yeah, yeah, I mean these

1378
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: are I guess there's some things that are just like

1379
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: givings that we didn't talk about. Let's talk about boots.

1380
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 1: Though I've been using the Cambella's Denali for several years.

1381
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: My boots are so war out there on their last leg.

1382
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: They don't deserve to go back to Montana. But those

1383
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: of the kangaroo ones, like no, no, that's what I

1384
01:20:58,120 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: wore when I was in Montana last time, and I

1385
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 1: got y. They don't repel, they're not gortex on the inside.

1386
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: So they But what tell us what kind of boots

1387
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 1: you have? You have some good ones? Yeah, I got

1388
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 1: some kind of trucks. Um, I'm not sure. I know

1389
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 1: they're uninsulated, so like the only insulation would be like

1390
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: the sock. Um, they come up, you know, a little

1391
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: above my ankle. But yeah, they're really like you when

1392
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 1: you put them on. At first they feel really tight,

1393
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:27,480
Speaker 1: but then all of a sudden, they just they feel great. Uh.

1394
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 1: So this would be my first back country hunt wearing

1395
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 1: them though. Yeah, but uh yeah, they're they've been great

1396
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 1: so far. Well you see, yeah I didn't. I didn't

1397
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 1: put boots on. I mean, is there anything else that

1398
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 1: probably would be on the I mean lighter boots. I

1399
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 1: mean not other than just like the normal normal things.

1400
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna have their own little pleasantries. They might bring

1401
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: like half and half. Yeah, and we really I don't

1402
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: think we really got into like different types of packs

1403
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 1: or anything like frank picks. But in that one with mules,

1404
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:59,600
Speaker 1: you know that. And that's a good one that I

1405
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 1: didn't And again me not being a gear head, guys

1406
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 1: could flip out over packs. Hey, you're gonna go ahead

1407
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: and say this and if there's a there's somebody, there's

1408
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:11,719
Speaker 1: a fine company out there that would like to sponsor

1409
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: this trip. I have for three years used a thirty

1410
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 1: dollar Walmart pack field Line Baby, the field Line. Actually

1411
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm sponsored by field Line a year. Right. That pack

1412
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,719
Speaker 1: is awesome. I mean it won't it's not gonna last forever,

1413
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 1: and it's starting to tear into place or two. But

1414
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: now we need some good packs. And we're looking at

1415
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: some exo mountain gear stuff in the stuff, and and

1416
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 1: I have a I have a couple of like standard

1417
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: issue fifteen year old uh uh solid frame packs you

1418
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 1: know that are just nothing special. But I have yet

1419
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: the nerd out on backpacks. Yeah, I think the load

1420
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: shelf is a little little low, one of those older ones.

1421
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that yeah, yeah,

1422
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it's it's been good. I haven't used it

1423
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 1: a whole lot, you know, but uh yeah, just any

1424
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: of these newer packs or are going to be really good.

1425
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 1: But it sounds like you have to get the measurements right,

1426
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 1: like you know, so like not it's not one pack

1427
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: fits all you have to measure I think it's from

1428
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: like your Eliot Crest thinking factors that in like you're

1429
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: going from the top of your hip bones basically to

1430
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 1: like I think the warrior back would bend a little bit.

1431
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,959
Speaker 1: But there's there's good stuff out there on the online

1432
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 1: to figure out how to measure right for the pack,

1433
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: or if you go to any of these like shows

1434
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: and they bring the packs out, you can try one like.

1435
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,680
Speaker 1: That's why I went with with qu was because they

1436
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 1: came to show close to my house and I could

1437
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 1: try it on and see what fit me at the time. Yeah, yeah, good. Well,

1438
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: there's certainly a lot of stuff like that that is

1439
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 1: not on this but in terms of just like this

1440
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 1: is the basics. This is the basics, And we went

1441
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: through a few specifics of stuff that we're that we're using.

1442
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: But but we are going we are going to Montana

1443
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: here sometime quite soon. Hey, I do want to say

1444
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 1: too on this podcast. I'm not sure if we'll be

1445
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: making another one right away, but one of one of

1446
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 1: our films was selected to be in the back Country

1447
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 1: Hunters and Anglers Anglers Film Festival, The Rendezvous. The Rendezvous. Yeah,

1448
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 1: we made ah, we made a film about squirrel hunting

1449
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 1: on mules that made the cut, and you may have

1450
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: seen the film on YouTube. Um, but this is a

1451
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 1: this is a special back Country Hunters and Anglers version.

1452
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 1: That hunt took place on public land. And uh, they

1453
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:58,839
Speaker 1: told me that there were multiple upwards of a dozen

1454
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 1: squirrel hunting on mule videos submitted, but ours was the best.

1455
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,759
Speaker 1: And so that guy actually from b h A actually

1456
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: said that to me and I believed him. I was

1457
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 1: like reading this email in slow motion. I was just like,

1458
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 1: you're kidding me. A dozen people submitted videos on scrown

1459
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 1: with the mules. This is ridiculous. And then he put

1460
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: a little smiley face and I realized he was kidding.

1461
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 1: But so our film will be in that I'm looking

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Speaker 1: forward to that. The mules will be making a reappearance. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So if you watch that Smokey, I mean, smoke is

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Speaker 1: pretty old. So assuming that he he lives through the departure,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like, if Tray didn't call me

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Speaker 1: like tomorrow, go man, Smokey passed away cold people to

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Speaker 1: be driving Smokey in Montana. Yeah. If not, I'll be yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll have to figure out what you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be doing. I'll be on one mountain filming you

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Speaker 1: on the other Mountain. Yeah me and Isy yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well all right guys, that's that will That will conclude this.

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Speaker 1: And if you have some suggestion for us, you know,

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Speaker 1: somehow contact us, let us know and how you do

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Speaker 1: us a favor, give us a review on iTunes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it helps get those five star, four star,

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Speaker 1: hopefully not much less than three. We get some reviews,

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Speaker 1: and we really appreciate you listening, and hey, keep you

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Speaker 1: wild places wild. That's where embarrass leave