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Speaker 1: I am JOSHUAE Warren, and each week on this show,
Speaker 1: I'll be bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news exercises,
Speaker 1: and weird experiments you can do at home, and a
Speaker 1: lot more on this edition of the show Weird Adventures
Speaker 1: with see Eric Scott. I have known producer see Eric
Speaker 1: Scott for twenty two years and we have worked on
Speaker 1: so many paranormal TV shows and movies that I can't
Speaker 1: even name them all. Well, recently he visited me here
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas and we sat down for a face
Speaker 1: to face conversation. You are going to hear that conversation soon.
Speaker 1: But first, right up front, I want to tell you
Speaker 1: about a weird experience I had while Eric was here
Speaker 1: in town. All right, listen to this, I, your humble host,
Speaker 1: was recently kicked out. That's right, kicked out of a
Speaker 1: celebrity event here in Las Vegas. Can you believe that?
Speaker 1: You know what a nice, courteous, respectful man I am,
Speaker 1: and yet I was kicked out. So before I tell
Speaker 1: you this story, let me ask you to guess who
Speaker 1: that celebrity might be.
Speaker 3: Hmm.
Speaker 1: I know that's a hard one, and you should realize
Speaker 1: it wasn't actually the celebrity that demanded I be removed.
Speaker 1: It was a couple of goombas, goons, henchmen. And this
Speaker 1: story actually has a twist ending, but it did. It
Speaker 1: ticked me off for a few days and you'll see why.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, are you ready? Here's what happened recently. Laren
Speaker 1: and I were hanging out on a Friday night with
Speaker 1: Eric in a nice casino on the outskirts of Vegas,
Speaker 1: and when we got there earlier in the night, we
Speaker 1: had seen these generic nondescript signs here and there saying
Speaker 1: filming in progress. But I saw no actual indications of
Speaker 1: any filming, and so we just sort of ignored the
Speaker 1: whole thing. We had a full night of gambling, and
Speaker 1: then we went to a restaurant to get some food
Speaker 1: to go. At that point, it was after one in
Speaker 1: the morning, and as we were actually walking out of
Speaker 1: the casino on our way to leave with our to
Speaker 1: go food in the bags, this random young man just
Speaker 1: ran up to us, excited as heck. This guy was
Speaker 1: probably in his twenties, he had a goateee, and he
Speaker 1: just showed us his phone and exclaimed to us, we
Speaker 1: are just completely complete strangers. He said, look, I just
Speaker 1: got a picture with Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan and Dana
Speaker 1: White are over in the high Limit section right now,
Speaker 1: and this guy was flipping out like he'd met Santa Claus. Now.
Speaker 1: The high Limit section was right there next to us,
Speaker 1: and I said, Joe Rogan is in there, and he said, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's taking pictures with everybody now. If you don't know,
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan has one of the most popular podcasts in
Speaker 1: the world, and he is a controversial figure. A lot
Speaker 1: of people don't agree with his views, but I've always
Speaker 1: enjoyed his interviews, and I think he's a person who
Speaker 1: stands up for free speech because he has maintained his
Speaker 1: independence even when a lot of the legacy mainstream media
Speaker 1: has tried to censor him. So whether or not I
Speaker 1: agree with everything he says, I admire that he is
Speaker 1: a champion for free speech. And Dana White is the
Speaker 1: man in charge of the UFC the Ultimate Fighting Championship.
Speaker 1: Now that's that's cool, But I'm personally, I'm just really
Speaker 1: not much of a UFC guy. So I told Lauren
Speaker 1: and Eric, well, if Joe Rogan's right in there, I'd
Speaker 1: like to pop in to the High Limits area and
Speaker 1: just say hello to Joe Rogan. And neither Lauren or
Speaker 1: Eric wanted to go, so they held my food and
Speaker 1: I said, okay, I'll be back in just a little bit.
Speaker 1: So I walked into the High Limits area and there
Speaker 1: was a room toward the back that had two men
Speaker 1: in suits standing at either side like they might be
Speaker 1: guards possibly, And I figured Joe Rogan might be in
Speaker 1: that back room, and so if they didn't want me there,
Speaker 1: these guys in suits would just stop me and tell
Speaker 1: me they didn't want me. But but they just smiled.
Speaker 1: So you know, I just walked right in, and sure
Speaker 1: enough there was Joe Rogan and Dana White standing in
Speaker 1: front of a card table watching a game with a
Speaker 1: small crowd around them. So it was pretty cool right
Speaker 1: off the bat to see them in the flesh. They
Speaker 1: looked exactly like they do on TV, even though I
Speaker 1: must say they're quite a bit shorter than me. And
Speaker 1: there there was one guy I saw in the corner
Speaker 1: who was filming stuff, but that was it. I mean,
Speaker 1: this did not look at all like an actual TV
Speaker 1: set or anything. Goodness knows. I've been on a zillion
Speaker 1: TV sets, and it just looked to me like they
Speaker 1: had possibly some bets down and they were gambling. I
Speaker 1: don't know what exactly was going on, so I just
Speaker 1: stood there and watched for a few minutes. It really
Speaker 1: didn't look like much was going on at all. Frankly,
Speaker 1: there were all these intimidating looking men in dark suits
Speaker 1: standing around, but I thought maybe they were just like
Speaker 1: casino security or something, since I presumed if Joe Rogan
Speaker 1: and Dana White were there, maybe they were betting, you know,
Speaker 1: some big stakes. Perhaps I don't know. Nobody's said anything.
Speaker 1: There was nothing to indicate at all what was going on.
Speaker 1: So at one point Joe Rogan didn't have too many
Speaker 1: folks around him, and he was just kind of looking
Speaker 1: at the table. So I figured i'd say hello, and
Speaker 1: I said, mister Rogan, I'm Joshua Warren and I enjoy
Speaker 1: your podcast and I want to thank you for standing
Speaker 1: up for free speech. And he shook my hand and
Speaker 1: said thank you, and you know, he was cordial, and
Speaker 1: that was it. And so, you know, then some other
Speaker 1: people came up and started talking to him. And I
Speaker 1: continued watching this whole scenario because again, it didn't look
Speaker 1: like that there was like like a TV shoot going on,
Speaker 1: and I was kind of curious as to what was happening,
Speaker 1: and he was just chatting with people, kind of knocking around.
Speaker 1: It didn't look to me like he was working. So
Speaker 1: at some point Dana White walked to the other side
Speaker 1: of the room and most of the people followed Dana White.
Speaker 1: So now there were even less people around Joe Rogan. Well,
Speaker 1: of course, I had been on my way out the
Speaker 1: door to begin with, you know, heading out with with
Speaker 1: Lauren and Eric, when I realized that Joe Rogan was
Speaker 1: even there, and I was thinking about, like, well, Lauren
Speaker 1: and Eric are waiting for me outside, like, what's cool?
Speaker 1: What's he doing in there? Come on, Joshua. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I was kind of in a hurry and I needed
Speaker 1: to run, but you know, I figured I would just
Speaker 1: ask Joe Rogan one more question, actually just a question.
Speaker 1: I had to ask him anything, but I just figured
Speaker 1: i'd ask him a question before I left. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was standing right there in front of me, a
Speaker 1: real human being, just like any other normal human being
Speaker 1: in a casino. And I said to him, quote, I
Speaker 1: host a podcast for Coast to Coast AM. Would you
Speaker 1: be interested in being interviewed? End quote? And as soon
Speaker 1: as I said I work for Coast to Coast AM,
Speaker 1: a guy in a dark suit began stepping between me
Speaker 1: and Joe Rogan and he said something smart You're like,
Speaker 1: that's it, and Rogan said no. And as soon as
Speaker 1: Rogan said no, another man in a suit stepped between
Speaker 1: me and Rogan, and the men in suits told me
Speaker 1: to leave and showed me the door. And even though
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan did not ask me to leave, he watched
Speaker 1: this happen and he did not say a word about it.
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, once he said no. I
Speaker 1: would have just said okay, I understand, thank you, and
Speaker 1: that would have been the end of it. They didn't
Speaker 1: have to kick me out of the room. Though to
Speaker 1: say that was an overreaction is an understatement. So apparently
Speaker 1: saying I was with the media was a big no no.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: That's all I can figure is you know that that's
Speaker 1: what happened. And frankly, you could even argue whether or
Speaker 1: not it was legal for them to kick me out
Speaker 1: of the room. For one thing, I don't know who
Speaker 1: these people were. They did not identify themselves as casino employees.
Speaker 1: And there was a law in Nevada that says that
Speaker 1: if there is an area where gambling is taking place,
Speaker 1: you must make it equally available to all. That law
Speaker 1: exists because if you have an area with the machine
Speaker 1: and you say, hey, that's Joshua's machine, only Joshua gets
Speaker 1: to play it, well, then guess who's gonna eventually hit
Speaker 1: the jackpot one day? Joshua is all right, So that
Speaker 1: is a law on the books. But then there are
Speaker 1: also laws saying like casinos can ban you from the
Speaker 1: property if they don't like this or that. But again,
Speaker 1: I don't know who these people were. These fellas never
Speaker 1: even identified themselves. I had no idea who they were,
Speaker 1: but regardless, I was ready to leave anyway, And it
Speaker 1: really wasn't that big of a deal to me. Like
Speaker 1: you say, all I did was ask another human being
Speaker 1: standing next to me whether or not he would be
Speaker 1: interested in being interviewed on my show, and this is
Speaker 1: the reaction I got from those around him. So of course,
Speaker 1: without hesitation, I left that area. I even gambled a
Speaker 1: little bit on the other section of the high limits
Speaker 1: room with no problem, and then I emerged to tell
Speaker 1: Lauren and Eric, well, I met Joke Rogan. I shook
Speaker 1: his hand. We had a friendly exchange. But when I
Speaker 1: ask if he would consider being interviewed on my podcast,
Speaker 1: the guys in there kick me out. Lauren said, I'm
Speaker 1: so glad I didn't go in there. I would have
Speaker 1: been horrified. And I said, well, look, I'm not happy.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm miffed. That was uncalled for, and honestly
Speaker 1: it left a bad taste in my mouth. But when
Speaker 1: we come back from this break, there is a twist
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Speaker 1: the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. Warren, beaming into your
Speaker 1: wormhole brain from my studio in sen City, Las Vegas, Nevada,
Speaker 1: where every day is golden and every night is silver
Speaker 1: Adia tat dozume. So so we're, you know, we're we're
Speaker 1: walking out of the casino, of course, and I looked
Speaker 1: back and I thought, you know, I don't hold it
Speaker 1: against Joe Rogan since he did not personally kick me out,
Speaker 1: but I do think if it had been the other
Speaker 1: way around, if I had been in his position, I
Speaker 1: would have told these guys not a okay, you don't
Speaker 1: have to throw him out. But anyway, you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't know. I didn't know the big picture, I didn't
Speaker 1: even know what the heck was going on, and so
Speaker 1: you know, I left pretty confused and kind of ticked off.
Speaker 1: So now here, I guess, is the twist ending. Perhaps,
Speaker 1: So this whole thing that I just told you about
Speaker 1: happened on a Friday night. Technically it was like a
Speaker 1: Saturday morning, because this is like, you know, almost two
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, Saturday morning. So the following Sunday
Speaker 1: I checked the news and found out that that very
Speaker 1: next day after my experience that Saturday, Donald Trump had
Speaker 1: popped up as a surprise at UFC to ninety. That's
Speaker 1: the big fighting event right down the road in Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: and Donald Trump was with Dana White and Joe Rogan
Speaker 1: and all of these other celebs were there. And then
Speaker 1: I realized, oh, there was a very good chance that
Speaker 1: the guys who kicked me out of the room the
Speaker 1: night before were Secret Service agents because they were preparing
Speaker 1: for this big Trump event hours away that was being
Speaker 1: kept a secret with these two guys that I was with,
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan and Dana White, and for all I know,
Speaker 1: even Donald Trump may have been nearby. And if I
Speaker 1: had known that Joe Rogan was in that room as
Speaker 1: part of a political event. Perhaps I would have never
Speaker 1: entered because throughout my life, whenever I have come into
Speaker 1: contact with the Secret Service and the circle of individuals
Speaker 1: who surround presidential figures, regardless of the party, it's always
Speaker 1: dark and negative. There's like this aggressive cloud and paranoia,
Speaker 1: and I just want no part of it. So I
Speaker 1: guess the bottom line is that I guess you again.
Speaker 1: To recap, I was already ready to leave. I was
Speaker 1: walking out the door. An excited stranger ran up and said, Hey,
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan's in there. Look he's meeting people and taking pics.
Speaker 1: So I went in there and ended up having this
Speaker 1: experience where I was kicked out? Why did that happen
Speaker 1: to me?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: What was what was I supposed to learn from that?
Speaker 1: I could have just gone home and been none the wiser.
Speaker 1: But why did the universe want me to experience that
Speaker 1: odd thing?
Speaker 3: I do not know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it will make more sense at some point, and
Speaker 1: it'll become something positive at some point, but for now,
Speaker 1: it's just outright weird. I thought I was just being nice,
Speaker 1: but there's the reality. So that is my story about
Speaker 1: recently being kicked out of a celebrity event. What do
Speaker 1: you think of that? All right, let's get on to
Speaker 1: the feature presentation, shall we see. Eric Scott is originally
Speaker 1: from Ohio. He went to college in North Carolina where
Speaker 1: we met, and he now lives in Washington, DC. For
Speaker 1: more than two decades, we have worked on so many
Speaker 1: paranormal projects I truly cannot remember them all. We camped
Speaker 1: at Brown Mountain many times looking for the mysterious lights.
Speaker 1: We made the video report about the White House ghost Photo.
Speaker 1: We made the video report about Oufos and Puerto Rico.
Speaker 1: We traveled the country just the two of us, making
Speaker 1: segments for an entire season of paranormal Paparazzi on the
Speaker 1: Travel Channel. We worked on the Warner Brothers horror movie
Speaker 1: called The Apparition. I mean, the list just goes on
Speaker 1: and on. And when he recently visited me at my
Speaker 1: new house in Vegas, we decided to just sit down, relax,
Speaker 1: and shoot the breeze about some of our wild experiences.
Speaker 1: And here, my friends, is that conversation. All right? I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here in my kitchen, next to my swimming pool,
Speaker 1: in the warm evening in Las Vegas, Nevada, with my
Speaker 1: old buddy, mister c Eric Scott, and I think we're
Speaker 1: starting a bit of a tradition here because when I
Speaker 1: interviewed Forrest Connor, who was the very first person to
Speaker 1: be interviewed face to face in my home, which is
Speaker 1: an extremely rare occasion, we were having a single malt
Speaker 1: scotch and lo and behold when you showed up, you
Speaker 1: brought a b beautiful single malt scotch where you can
Speaker 1: probably tell we're having it right now tonight we're having
Speaker 1: it on the rocks with a splash of water to
Speaker 1: wake it up a little bit. This is Mortlocke single
Speaker 1: malt scotch whiskey, aged twelve years. Well, what a gift.
Speaker 1: Welcome to my kitchen, mister c Eric Scott. Cheers, Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you. Cheers. You know what, when I was in Transylvania.
Speaker 1: In Romania, they taught me that they say cheers by
Speaker 1: saying oh okay, which basically means to your health. It's
Speaker 1: the same kind of thing, right, So that's let's do
Speaker 1: the Transylvanian version. Yeah, it's a spooky show man. What
Speaker 1: a day we've had. You took me and Lauren out
Speaker 1: for a fantastic dinner at a fine restaurant. We even
Speaker 1: went out for some ice cream afterwards.
Speaker 3: We did.
Speaker 1: And when we finish up this this little talk and
Speaker 1: these drinks, we're gonna go out. We're gonna chill in
Speaker 1: the pool. We have a couple of cigars. We're just
Speaker 1: trying our best to make everybody out there jealous right now.
Speaker 3: Right, it's like the you know, the old rich men
Speaker 3: on the Titanic, except you know, things didn't end well
Speaker 3: for them, so hopefully that will not.
Speaker 1: Happen to us.
Speaker 3: My pool's only five and a half feet deep, right, yes,
Speaker 3: but yes, of course you can remember the scene where
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, let's go to the parlor for a
Speaker 3: cigar and brandy. You know. So we're we're doing a
Speaker 3: little different with the scotch, but still, you know, we
Speaker 3: hopefully will not be sinking anywhere.
Speaker 1: You have worked on a lot of paranormal projects. First off,
Speaker 1: just so everyone knows, you have been working in filmmaking
Speaker 1: and TV production the vast majority of your life, especially
Speaker 1: your adult life. More or less, you're a professional photographer
Speaker 1: as well, and that's a really special combo to know
Speaker 1: how imagery works when it both captured still and moving
Speaker 1: two different worlds. And you've got to bring them together,
Speaker 1: especially when you're trying to capture and analyze mysterious things. Right,
Speaker 1: So now we figured out that we'd known each other
Speaker 1: for twenty two years, and tell everybody how we met
Speaker 1: twenty two years ago.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, interestingly enough, it was through one of
Speaker 3: my college roommates who was looking into trying to produce
Speaker 3: a documentary or a series of documentaries on North Carolina
Speaker 3: ghost lore. And so he originally tried to team up
Speaker 3: with an investigation group based out of Rawleigh, and he
Speaker 3: met with them a couple times, but they it was
Speaker 3: weird because they never showed him any of their footage
Speaker 3: or they would just get together and talk about stuff,
Speaker 3: but they never showed him anything. And so we know
Speaker 3: he kept trying to arrange for us to go and
Speaker 3: document one of their investigations, and they kept dragging their feet.
Speaker 3: So he finally just got tired of dealing with them
Speaker 3: and sought somebody else out in North Carolina and found
Speaker 3: your website and and everything about Lemur, your investigation team,
Speaker 3: and so he contacted you and you guys started a
Speaker 3: dialogue and we eventually made arrangements to come to Asheville
Speaker 3: and follow you on an investigation of the Growth Park
Speaker 3: in where we were, of course looking for the world
Speaker 3: famous Pink Lady, and you know, we set up meters
Speaker 3: and different things in the in her famous room there,
Speaker 3: which was what the five forty five, and then we
Speaker 3: just kind of followed you guys around and you know,
Speaker 3: got all kinds of crazy footage throughout that amazing historic property.
Speaker 1: And you know what, Eric, I wasn't going to bring
Speaker 1: this up, but what the heck, maybe I'll edit it out.
Speaker 1: I just remember on one of our our investigations back
Speaker 1: in those early days. Do you know where I'm going
Speaker 1: with this? Not exactly. So one night, you and your
Speaker 1: colleague and the Lemur team and I we were all there,
Speaker 1: and we had a bunch of people from the mainstream
Speaker 1: media that were also there documenting our investigation, and we
Speaker 1: were all crowded in room five forty five, and one
Speaker 1: of our Lemur investigators said he had some paranormal footage
Speaker 1: that he wanted to show, and so all the media
Speaker 1: was standing there with a baited breath, and they're watching
Speaker 1: his computer screen and he hits the button and a
Speaker 1: Hume movie pops up. But it was in night vision,
Speaker 1: so it looked paranormal for a moment, right, This was
Speaker 1: a whole movie that was not meant for public display,
Speaker 1: I don't think. And I've never seen a man scramble
Speaker 1: and sweat so fast or try to shield the screen
Speaker 1: for that matter, and maybe five seconds and five seconds
Speaker 1: is a long time under such circumstances. Five seconds later
Speaker 1: we finally get to the orb footage, and nobody said
Speaker 1: a word, right, yeah, everyone, I think was just trying
Speaker 1: not to say anything, because what does one say in
Speaker 1: a moment such as that, where you've just seen, well,
Speaker 1: some questionable footage has nothing to do with paranormal.
Speaker 3: And less well, maybe there was a ghost in there somewhere.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, maybe all right, time for
Speaker 1: a break, as I think you can see, this conversation
Speaker 1: could go anywhere. I'm Joshua pe One. You're listening to
Speaker 1: strange things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am
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Speaker 1: Warren, Welcome back to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and
Speaker 1: Coast am para normal podcast network. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Joshua P. Warren, and this is the show where the
Speaker 1: unusual becomes usual. And now back to my conversation with
Speaker 1: ce Eric Scott. Okay, So you and I, after all
Speaker 1: these years, we have worked together on so many projects
Speaker 1: that it's impossible to remember off the top of my head.
Speaker 1: So i have my laptop in front of me and
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of scrolling down and I'm just looking
Speaker 1: at TV shows and stuff and like, oh, yeah, Eric
Speaker 1: was there for that. Eric was there for that. You know,
Speaker 1: we shot this, we produced this, and even looking at
Speaker 1: the list, it's intimidating. So we're only going to be
Speaker 1: able to focus on a few things. But I guess
Speaker 1: some of the highlights are okay. Well, for one thing,
Speaker 1: you spent a lot of time with us over many
Speaker 1: years camping up at Brown Mountain. We were writing a
Speaker 1: lot of Brown Mountain Lights research up there, and then
Speaker 1: as time went on and we started getting more and
Speaker 1: more opportunities to work with with movies and TV. You
Speaker 1: also worked with the Apparition movie on for you know,
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers came and they hired me to be a
Speaker 1: tech consultant for the Apparition horror movie, and then we
Speaker 1: worked together on that. We've done so many TV shows together,
Speaker 1: but we actually were we created a team, a two
Speaker 1: man team for the Travel Channel TV series called Paranormal Paparazzi.
Speaker 1: They gave us basically a blank check and sent the
Speaker 1: two of us on this epic journey across the United
Speaker 1: States of America to just they We had some things
Speaker 1: that we had to check off the list that we
Speaker 1: had to do, but you and I wanted to really
Speaker 1: press the producers, and so we went above and beyond
Speaker 1: and we just started creating a lot of our own content, right,
Speaker 1: shooting our own segments as well.
Speaker 3: Well. Heck, we even did our own re enactments for
Speaker 3: some of the things, which we've posted online.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true somewhere on YouTube. And we of course,
Speaker 1: well you live in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3: Right, And so.
Speaker 1: I don't know what year it was off the top
Speaker 1: of my head, but I went up. Do you know
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the ghost photo, the world's wildest ghost photo?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think I was around twenty fifteen, I think,
Speaker 1: I think you're right. Yeah, So sometime around then I
Speaker 1: traveled up to visit you and stay with you in Washington, DC,
Speaker 1: and we traveled all over the place and talked to
Speaker 1: everybody we could possibly talk to to try to figure
Speaker 1: out the truth behind the so called ghost photo from
Speaker 1: the White House basement. What maybe the ghost of Abraham
Speaker 1: Lincoln standing below the location of the Lincoln Bedroom, which
Speaker 1: actually was the war room during the Civil War. But
Speaker 1: I think some of the more interesting experiences that we
Speaker 1: may have had dealt with Puerto Rico. Yeah, probably Puerto Rico. Probably.
Speaker 1: So you know, when we were in Puerto Rico, we
Speaker 1: filmed a lot of stuff there. I mean there were
Speaker 1: times you come down and stay for like a month
Speaker 1: at a time or something like that, right, right, And
Speaker 1: I remember one day you and I we were with
Speaker 1: some friends and we went out to the Laguna Carctahena,
Speaker 1: the Ufo Lagoon, And as a filmmaker, I want you
Speaker 1: to tell everybody what you saw out there. This is
Speaker 1: broad daylight, like in the afternoon, Puerto Rico. What did
Speaker 1: you see out there over that lagoon where people have
Speaker 1: had all kinds of UFO Experiences.
Speaker 3: Well, as I recall, you know, we were standing on
Speaker 3: the little observation platform there that's kind of overlooking the
Speaker 3: lagoon itself, and one of the other members of our
Speaker 3: party spotted at first these little sort of balls of
Speaker 3: light or whatever. Maybe it was some sort of a
Speaker 3: metallic sphere that was reflecting. It was really hard to
Speaker 3: tell because the distance from us that we were seeing it,
Speaker 3: and we all basically started filming and taking photos and
Speaker 3: you know, try to get as capture as much of
Speaker 3: this thing as we could, but it was really hard
Speaker 3: to tell exactly what it was. And it was again,
Speaker 3: from what I could tell, it looked like almost a
Speaker 3: little ball of some sort that was just kind of.
Speaker 1: Dancing around the water a bit.
Speaker 3: Oh right, yeah, So it's so it's right, yeah, right
Speaker 3: on the surface there, and it's really not clear. I mean, sure,
Speaker 3: it could be some weird reflection, but it looks a
Speaker 3: little I mean, it just looks a little too strange
Speaker 3: for that. It almost looks like it could be something
Speaker 3: that's sort of under the water and maybe a little
Speaker 3: bit of it sticking out, or it could just be
Speaker 3: a very small I don't know, maybe it's a small USO.
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of the fishermen that we talked to,
Speaker 1: we showed these pictures to them and they were like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, I've seen that million times. It's like
Speaker 1: a little you can imagine it being like a metallic
Speaker 1: little ball that's sort of like darting around the surface
Speaker 1: of the lagoon. There, Na, right, and I saw it.
Speaker 1: You saw it. The three people we are with saw it.
Speaker 1: We all got footage of it. If any of you listening,
Speaker 1: if you want to see the pictures we're looking at
Speaker 1: right now, go to this website that I created, and
Speaker 1: it's a little outdated, but it's called eracboproject dot com
Speaker 1: a r e Cibo Racibo project dot com that happened
Speaker 1: to us. I got it right here, Eric on February
Speaker 1: the ninth of twenty fourteen, okay, twenty fourteen, Yeah, Lajas,
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico. And it lasted for approximately thirty minutes. This
Speaker 1: thing was bouncing around. Wow, But you told me that
Speaker 1: that's not the only time you've seen something that might
Speaker 1: be a UFO, right.
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, yeah, there have been numerous times that I
Speaker 3: have seen things that I really couldn't describe what it is.
Speaker 3: Let's hear a story, Well, I guess the one that
Speaker 3: probably stands out in my mind most vividly is a
Speaker 3: time where I was driving back with my mom from
Speaker 3: somewhere I don't remember, but we were. This was when
Speaker 3: I used to live in Ohio, and a line of
Speaker 3: thunderstorms had come through the area, so it really cleared
Speaker 3: up the sky and you know, was really very clear
Speaker 3: except to the east where you could see the clouds
Speaker 3: from the storms. Anyway, I was looking up at the
Speaker 3: sky because it was just so interesting looking, and then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, out of thin air, a red
Speaker 3: looking ball of light appeared in the sky and it
Speaker 3: just stayed. It just stayed in place. And as I
Speaker 3: was watching it, a second ball appeared kind of a
Speaker 3: little bit further in a line from it, and then
Speaker 3: a little bit after that, a third, and then a fourth,
Speaker 3: and I believe even a fifth ball appeared, And these
Speaker 3: were all little red balls of light that made a
Speaker 3: perfectly straight line in the sky, and they were all
Speaker 3: equid distant from there. They appeared to be equid distant
Speaker 3: from each other. And so I watched these things around
Speaker 3: it seemed to be several minutes, and they didn't move
Speaker 3: or anything. I mean, they just stayed in, you know,
Speaker 3: in place in the sky, and eventually they started to
Speaker 3: disappear one by one. And also we were starting to
Speaker 3: drive out of the area, but we were driving in
Speaker 3: a part of Ohio that's a fairly flat lot of
Speaker 3: farm land, so you know, not a lot of objects
Speaker 3: to obstruct the view you or anything like that. So
Speaker 3: I was able to really keep my eyes on these
Speaker 3: objects for you know, probably at least fifteen or twenty
Speaker 3: minutes as we were driving through through this area. And so, yeah,
Speaker 3: I've never never really seen much of anything else like
Speaker 3: that where these things, you know, I mean, because usually
Speaker 3: if it's a plane or helicopter or something else, you know,
Speaker 3: it's got movement to it, you know, some kind of
Speaker 3: linear movement or whatever. And these things did not move
Speaker 3: at all. They just were like hovering in place. But
Speaker 3: it was just a single like a single what appeared
Speaker 3: to be a single point of light from each thing.
Speaker 3: Not like again when you see a helicopter or a
Speaker 3: plane that have beacons on them that flash. This wasn't
Speaker 3: doing anything like that.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure what it was, but you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it was the aliens hard as hell, you know,
Speaker 1: one thing that is so I think admirable about you
Speaker 1: and your work is that, even though you have been
Speaker 1: on so many paranormal investigations, you've worked on so many
Speaker 1: paronrmal TV shows and movies, you're not one of these
Speaker 1: guys who's out there telling about one hundred paranormal experiences
Speaker 1: that you've had. You know, you're very reserved and you
Speaker 1: do your best to be a skeptical person. You're not
Speaker 1: out there. You're not cynical, you're not doubting that these
Speaker 1: things are real, but you have a very balanced perspective
Speaker 1: in terms of like how to rationally view what may
Speaker 1: or may not be an explanation. And going back to
Speaker 1: the White House Ghost photo. Okay, so I've got here
Speaker 1: that video pulled up that we did, and anybody, if
Speaker 1: you've never seen this, if you just go to Joshua
Speaker 1: Pwarren dot com and you click the section called Gallery
Speaker 1: of the Strange, you're going to find a lot of
Speaker 1: good stuff there, and one of them is a link
Speaker 1: that says click here for Warren's special video report on
Speaker 1: the White House Ghost Photo. Now, without getting too technical, here,
Speaker 1: when we went around and talked to some of the
Speaker 1: best experts photographic experts in Washington, DC. They were saying that, well,
Speaker 1: maybe it was possible that this could be some type
Speaker 1: of a long exposure, so that you end up with
Speaker 1: a picture of these guys who are on a construction
Speaker 1: site in the baby in the basement of the White House,
Speaker 1: and just about everybody else is in focus, but there's
Speaker 1: one guy is out of focus, and so maybe somehow
Speaker 1: he was moving or whatever. But the problem is he
Speaker 1: doesn't look blurry, right, it doesn't look like he was moving,
Speaker 1: and it's a very well lit construction scene, right, And
Speaker 1: without having the exact type of camera and film and
Speaker 1: knowing for a fact the settings that Abby Rowe was using,
Speaker 1: the photographer, you try to reproduce that those conditions to
Speaker 1: see if you could create something like this using a
Speaker 1: long exposure, what would your conclusion. That seems like a
Speaker 1: good place for a break. When we come back, we
Speaker 1: will get his conclusion and we will have the conclusion
Speaker 1: of this show. You know, this is a good example
Speaker 1: I think of how that you know, I wanted to
Speaker 1: go for many years to the White House to investigate
Speaker 1: the ghost standing there in that photo under the Lincoln bedroom.
Speaker 1: But now, as I said earlier in this podcast. I mean,
Speaker 1: politics has become such a dark business. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if I want to go into the White House anymore,
Speaker 1: because if you do that, people are going to assume
Speaker 1: that you have one alliance or another. It's kind of sad.
Speaker 1: I'm Joshua Pee Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on
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Speaker 4: Hi, this is Wuija Board expert Karen A. Dolman, and
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Speaker 1: Hi, this is George Norian. You're listening to the new
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the final segment of this edition of
Speaker 1: Strange Things the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast a M
Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren,
Speaker 1: And here is the conclusion of my recent conversation with
Speaker 1: mister c Eric Scott. What was your conclusion?
Speaker 3: I mean, we're just looking at the original photograph and
Speaker 3: knowing what I know about, you know, creating long exposure photographs.
Speaker 3: In order for that to be what caused, you know,
Speaker 3: in order for a long exposure to be what caused
Speaker 3: the image in the White House to turn out.
Speaker 1: The way that it did, you would have, you know,
Speaker 1: none of the other men would have remained.
Speaker 3: A focused because I mean, it's it's really hard to
Speaker 3: stand still for any length of time. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: sure that you know, anytime you've ever tried to take
Speaker 3: a photo in a low light condition without a flash,
Speaker 3: most cameras that have automatic settings on them will try
Speaker 3: to compensate for the low light by holding their shutter
Speaker 3: open longer to allow more light to expose for the photograph.
Speaker 3: What happens, then, is if you've got anybody moving in
Speaker 3: that photo, you know that they turn out blurry or
Speaker 3: streaky or whatever. Sure, you can see through part of them,
Speaker 3: but usually you can't see through all of them. Like,
Speaker 3: so the part that was maybe moving, you can, like
Speaker 3: if they waved an arm or whatever, you'll see a
Speaker 3: little bit, but the rest of them typically ends up
Speaker 3: being solid. Well, in the case of that white House photo,
Speaker 3: that figure appears to be completely translucent and not moving.
Speaker 1: Yes. And the other thing is the men that are the.
Speaker 3: Construction workers that are in there are also appear to
Speaker 3: be standing perfectly still.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Again, if you're doing a long exposure, even if they
Speaker 3: were told to stand still, they're probably going to move
Speaker 3: a little bit and you're going to be able to
Speaker 3: see some blurry edges or something around the other people
Speaker 3: in there, and you don't really see that. So that's
Speaker 3: what leads me to believe that it probably is not
Speaker 3: a long exposure photograph that we're looking at. You know,
Speaker 3: we did try to recreate it, and we you know,
Speaker 3: using some different techniques, and we weren't able to come,
Speaker 3: you know, up with anything that looked identical or even
Speaker 3: similar to what they came up with.
Speaker 1: So here's the kicker, And I will never understand this,
Speaker 1: but to me, this is the smoking gun that proves
Speaker 1: that we are correct that this cannot be explained as
Speaker 1: a long exposure. We spent months working on this photograph.
Speaker 1: You even after we filmed in DC, you came down
Speaker 1: to Puerto Rico, where I was living at the time,
Speaker 1: and we actually edited the video in Puerto Rico. We
Speaker 1: were so fixated on the image of the ghost that
Speaker 1: we put our whole video together, put it out to
Speaker 1: the world and did not even realize until somebody saw
Speaker 1: this video that there is another image in the photograph
Speaker 1: lower down of a workman who looks a little bit
Speaker 1: blurry because he happens to be taking a step as
Speaker 1: the picture is made. And the wonderful thing about that
Speaker 1: man being there is you can see he is literally
Speaker 1: in the process of taking a step, and you can
Speaker 1: see where he began and where he ended, and that
Speaker 1: exposure could not be longer than two seconds at the most.
Speaker 1: It is impossible to explain how you could get an
Speaker 1: exposure longer than two seconds with that man and those positions.
Speaker 1: And therefore what that means is that if he is
Speaker 1: not blurred more than one step, and it proves this
Speaker 1: image was not exposed more than one to two seconds,
Speaker 1: a long exposure could not be an explanation for the
Speaker 1: translucent ghostly figure. Why doesn't this man also look translucent, right, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be him. So we really ought to do
Speaker 1: a follow up video after all these years where we
Speaker 1: say here's the update. You know, we literally do an
Speaker 1: updated version, and I guess I could just do that
Speaker 1: on my own, just show the picture and just do
Speaker 1: a voiceover and post it again, because there are a
Speaker 1: lot of people who don't realize that this was something
Speaker 1: that I mean, I'll never understand how we overlooked that
Speaker 1: when we were here. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I guess because looking at it, it really
Speaker 3: kind of blends in with that pile of rubble. So yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, and the looks like the clothing that the
Speaker 3: guy is wearing is very light colored, so he just
Speaker 3: kind of like was almost camouflaged.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that, you know, that's a really interesting thing
Speaker 1: about about that project. So next thing I want to
Speaker 1: touch on here you have you were you were the
Speaker 1: person who shot the original Wishing Machine video that we did. Gosh,
Speaker 1: I don't even know how many years ago. See, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm on my computer. I gotta look at all this
Speaker 1: stuff up now, Like when did we do this? When
Speaker 1: when I got together with doctor Malder and we decided
Speaker 1: that we were going to start promoting the Wishing Machine project,
Speaker 1: meaning that we were he was going to start making
Speaker 1: these and we were going to make them affordable. We
Speaker 1: were going to start keeping track of people's results and
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how all this works. Okay, that
Speaker 1: was ten years ago. Okay according to YouTube, and uh
Speaker 1: so that video, the very first one, is ten minutes long.
Speaker 1: It's been viewed by you know, like thousands of thouars,
Speaker 1: like eighty nine thousand people, it says, right here, just
Speaker 1: that one version of it.
Speaker 3: But you.
Speaker 1: Have continued filming wishing machine stuff. You filmed also the
Speaker 1: Wishing Machine Workshop movie, right which is like a two
Speaker 1: hour movie that anybody can watch for free right now
Speaker 1: if you go to Wishingmachine project dot com. But you
Speaker 1: used the wishing machine, you've had some extraordinary experiences. Tell
Speaker 1: us about a wishing machine experience you've had.
Speaker 3: We don't know. I'm afraid that you know, if I
Speaker 3: tell this, everybody's going to go out and buy one
Speaker 3: and minute, you know it's going to kind o no.
Speaker 3: But seriously, you know, of course, what's the first thing
Speaker 3: that everybody thinks of when a wishing machine? Well, what
Speaker 3: can I do with this?
Speaker 1: Well, everybody wants to get money.
Speaker 3: Right, So here here is a story that it really
Speaker 3: happened that will make you sell out of wishing machines
Speaker 3: almost instantly. So I thought it would be fun to
Speaker 3: try one of the small units that you produced called
Speaker 3: the field X machine, and I already have like a
Speaker 3: full size machine that I just leave set up permanently
Speaker 3: for stuff. But with the small field X machine, it's
Speaker 3: really nicely sized so that you can take it and
Speaker 3: experiment with it, you know, different places, which is great
Speaker 3: because it'll even run off of a nine volt battery,
Speaker 3: which hey, how great is that? So anyway, I bought
Speaker 3: this thing and decided to go to a casino and
Speaker 3: try it, because hey, why not. So I set the
Speaker 3: thing up, left it in my car in the garage
Speaker 3: of the casino that I went to, and went in there,
Speaker 3: probably played for a few hours and ended up ultimately
Speaker 3: winning a nice jackpot, and it was a taxable jackpot,
Speaker 3: so I mean, anybody who's gambled in a casino knows
Speaker 3: that when it's a taxable, I mean, it's a significant
Speaker 3: enough amount of money that they have to come over
Speaker 3: and actually hand pay you exactly, so so you know,
Speaker 3: I can say that it was a successful test. And
Speaker 3: then the very next night I went to a different casino,
Speaker 3: and this time though, because this other casino is very
Speaker 3: close to my house, I just set the thing up
Speaker 3: and left it in my apartment. Basically you know, and
Speaker 3: because I was like, well, let's see if distance makes
Speaker 3: a difference, because I also just didn't feel like trying
Speaker 3: to drag it along put the car anyway, So I
Speaker 3: put it in the you know, set it up in
Speaker 3: my bedroom and left, basically using very similar setup to
Speaker 3: what I had done the night before when I set
Speaker 3: it up in the in the car. And I'll be
Speaker 3: damned if I didn't walk out of that other casino
Speaker 3: with I didn't. It wasn't a jackpot, but I did
Speaker 3: end up leaving several hundred dollars ahead. So I mean
Speaker 3: that's you know, two nights in a row using a
Speaker 3: wishing machine. I mean that seems like pretty good results.
Speaker 3: And I noticed that now that you've traveled here to
Speaker 3: Las Vegas, you packed your wishing machine and brought it
Speaker 3: with you. I did. I did because why not experiment
Speaker 3: and one of the greatest, you know, laboratories in the world, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, you can do all kinds of interesting stuff
Speaker 3: here in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: And people ask me frequently, am I going to have
Speaker 1: a problem with the TSA if I bring my wishing
Speaker 1: machine on a trip? And absolutely not. I've traveled all
Speaker 1: over the place with a wishing machine even to other countries.
Speaker 1: But I think the clearest example of this is I
Speaker 1: have a good friend who, well for a long time,
Speaker 1: was one of the supervisors two at the TSA, and
Speaker 1: I was talking to him about people concerned about traveling
Speaker 1: with the wishing machine and he goes, no, we know
Speaker 1: what that is. He says, we have it in our
Speaker 1: handbook because it's not a threat. He says, well, he says,
Speaker 1: every electronic device is basically just a case with wires
Speaker 1: in it. My wishing machine is no different. You know.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, we love them because they're
Speaker 1: even easier to look into. We can do we can
Speaker 1: see what's in there, So don't worry if you're traveling
Speaker 1: about bringing your wishing machine. Unfortunately we are out of time,
Speaker 1: but I want to thank mister c Eric Scott for
Speaker 1: all of his years of great friendship and for sitting
Speaker 1: down for this conversation. Also, he does food reviews on
Speaker 1: his YouTube channel. Go to c Ericscott dot com. There
Speaker 1: is no period after the C and that C E
Speaker 1: R I C S C O T T C Eric
Speaker 1: Scott dot com. Also years ago, he and I made
Speaker 1: a comedy in Puerto Rico called The Commodore, starring the
Speaker 1: two of us. I gotta warn you the languages are
Speaker 1: rated and it's it's it's not the greatest movie, but
Speaker 1: if you want to see it, go to commodoremovie dot com,
Speaker 1: Commodore movie dot com, Commodore movie dot com. That's it
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