1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague nol Is on an 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: adventure they called me Ben. We're joined, as always with 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, 8 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this 9 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Uh. Peek behind 10 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: the curtain, as we so often say. I was just 11 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: comparing notes a little bit earlier. Uh, Doc Matt, I 12 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: think this might be the last episode we record this 13 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: entire year, the last segment we record this entire year. Yeah, 14 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: this is it. This is finale. Everyone, congratulations. But it 15 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: comes out, you know, like in the New Year. Our 16 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: finale is. We're a week late with our finale. That's fine. 17 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: It's a little echo of that which was you'll just 18 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: it's a little reminder mm hmmmm. And forward into the future. 19 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: The horizon beckons at you from the distance. Um. Depending 20 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: on how you think of time, you are either inevitably 21 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: running towards the future or the future itself is inevitably 22 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: running toward you. We've got some weird listener mails today, Matt. 23 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: We got We've got some really cool stuff. We've got. 24 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: We've got a voicemail, We've got We've also got, I 25 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: think a couple of just cool, out of context things 26 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: that we might just just drop in the audio songing here, 27 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: the way that a beat drops in dubsteps yeah, or 28 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: the way a game drops into the PlayStation store and 29 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: then just disappears almost immediately here here he comes a 30 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: quick one from Steve. Steve says, just gonna preface this 31 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: by saying, I'm a forty three year old man, and 32 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: as such I suck at video games. However, I'm about 33 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: twenty five hours into Cyberpunk on Xbox One. Remember we 34 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: talked about this game. It's buggy as hell, but it's 35 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: totally badass. Otherwise it will randomly quit you out and 36 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: send you back to the main screen on Xbox. All 37 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: that aside, it's the most fun I've had playing a 38 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: video game in a long time since sky Rim. Honestly, whoa. 39 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: That's by the way, I chose a default penis size. 40 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: Um okay, now, oh boy? Uh we talked about on 41 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: a previous episode that in this game you are allowed 42 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 1: to choose the size of your genitalia and uh. Steve 43 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: is happy to report that he chose a default size. Um. 44 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: He says it felt right at the time these little 45 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: punctuation smiley faces, Matt, I was, I was wondering if 46 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: you're going to get to that part of the letter. 47 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: But yes, the characters, what we understand, are highly customizable, 48 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: and I'm so glad to hear that you're enjoying the game. Steve. 49 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: I've actually kept you, Matt. You know I love spoilers, right, 50 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: I love love, love spoilers. That's a kind of a 51 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: way to spit in the eye of linear time, I guess. 52 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: But but I haven't. I have not spoiled much of 53 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: the story of Cyberpunk for myself, and I have you 54 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: at this point. No, I have not. The most I 55 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: have done is watched Video Game Donkeys video his coverage 56 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: of it. Shout out to him, by the way, and 57 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: anyone who watches his videos. I've been watching them for 58 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: a long time. Ben, Ben and I have shared a 59 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: few of those in the past. Big shout out to you. 60 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: May you continue forever more sir, Yes, well said, uh 61 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: I am. I'm a little toward about which direction we 62 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: should go in. Matt, I'm thinking the voicemail makes for 63 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: a nice segue. What do you think? Oh? Yeah, sure, 64 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: let's let's go to year old voicemail. We received a 65 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: message from Veronica and they asked if we could look 66 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: into something called Rando Nautica. Oh, Rando Nautica, you say, 67 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: thanks so much, Veronica. This this is something Matt. I 68 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: think you had heard about before. I had, I know, 69 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: just a little bit about it. Could you give us 70 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: the quick and dirty on Rando Nautica. Dude, I literally 71 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: heard about it because of Veronica. I read a story 72 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: about a weird occurrence that had to do with this 73 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: app and some users of this app. But I did 74 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: not connect Rando Nautica and this story together. Yeah, I'm 75 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: sure it was into reporting. It's just in my mind. 76 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: It wasn't about the app. It was about this weird 77 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: occurrence that I was reading about. Um my goodness, I 78 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: feel like I've stumbled on a brand new stage of 79 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: my life. Ben. Rando Nautica is or Lisa purports to 80 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: be a real life choose your own adventure that you 81 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: get to play every day whenever you open the app 82 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: and choose to use it. Doesn't that sound enticing? Doesn't 83 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: that sound exciting? Well, let me just tell you what 84 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: it says on the website Rando Nautica dot com. Rando 85 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: Nautica is the world's first quantum lee generated choose your 86 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: own adventure reality game. Explore the world you never knew existed? 87 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: What what? Uh? Here's more just from the website about 88 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: what this thing is? Says. The app puts the user 89 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: in the director's chair of an adventure story yet to 90 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: be written. By using the app, the user can break 91 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: from their mundane day today and take a journey of 92 00:05:54,520 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: randomness into the world around them. Trans mundane, I'd say, 93 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: transmundane very much. Oh, this this episode is gonna work 94 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: so nicely together. Where is the thing that let's see, 95 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: we're working live. We're working live. I got you though, 96 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: So this is that's pretty In Tennessee, these terms would 97 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: be called high falutin. Oh these are half lutin. I'll 98 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: tell you what. Um. Listen to this. It says, break 99 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: out of your reality tunnel, recalibrate your mind, and have 100 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: fun on an adventure into the world you never knew existed. 101 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: Welcome Future, Random Not So it sounds so wonderful and 102 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: it is ridiculously simple. At the heart of it, this 103 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: is an app that is literally just getting you to 104 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: walk somewhere within a certain distance from wherever you are 105 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: and to explore that area. That's literally what this is. 106 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: That is it. But it has been purported to be 107 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: the reason behind a lot of strange occurrences because this 108 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: is from what I understand, this app is more of 109 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: a formalization of an earlier practice. It's something that a 110 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: lot of us have done accidentally. Rando Knots existed before 111 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: this app. Rando Knots just people who would find a 112 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: a location near to random as they could, maybe using 113 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: a random numbers generator to find coordinates, and then they 114 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: would just go explore. So this, this is an evolution 115 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: of that which I which I quite enjoy, even though 116 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: I have, Um, I don't know. Let's let's walk through it. 117 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: Let's walk through it. It sounds interesting. But I don't 118 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: think either of us have used the app yet, have we? No? 119 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: I have not, to be honest, I'm a little a 120 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: little weirded out by it. But but it's it's not 121 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: because of the creators or anything behind it. It is 122 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: just during the times when you know that we're in 123 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: We're not, at least in Atlanta, we're not in any 124 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: kind of imposed physical lockdown. But I would say a 125 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: lot of us, including myself and my family, are attempting 126 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: to minimize the number of locations we traveled to. So 127 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: the concept of just going out randomly to some location, 128 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: or just even traveling unnecessarily it feels like probably a 129 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: bad move, but doesn't mean it necessarily is for you 130 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: or for your situation or where you are. I'm just 131 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: speaking for myself here, But I to get back to 132 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: the story that I was telling you about that I 133 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: had read about previously before hearing about the app. There 134 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: was an occurrence. Oh gosh, I think it was in June. 135 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know the exact date of this, 136 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: but not long ago this year, a group of younger 137 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: people were using this app out in West Seattle when 138 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: they were just you know, exploring an area like the 139 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: app tells you to do. You go to these random 140 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: coordinates that are within you know, a certain I believe 141 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: it's a certain radius of the user. They go out 142 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: to these coordinates and then you're meant to use your 143 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: intention to explore the area as though you know it's 144 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: a brand new place because it is um and just 145 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: get yourself out of your own headspace that you're kind 146 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: of stuck in. And they happened upon I believe it 147 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: was a bag of some sort that had the remains 148 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: of two human beings, a twenty seven year old and 149 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: a thirty six year old. I believe one was male, 150 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: one was female, and essentially they they stumbled onto a 151 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: homicide investigation or they started a homicide investigation because of 152 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: their exploration with this app, and that is very very weird. 153 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: Of course it was it was captured for social media 154 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: purposes their journey, because that is one of the main 155 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: reasons people are hearing about this is one of the 156 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: main reasons there are ten almost eleven million users of 157 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: this app already, because it is very very popular if 158 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: you use social media, especially video social media sites and 159 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: applications to film yourself using Rando Nautica and going out 160 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: and exploring the world. And that's why there are so 161 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: many occurrences, or it seems like there are so many 162 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: strange occurrences because of the frequency that this app is 163 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: being used by people and documented as it's being used, right, 164 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: because you're not. It's a psychological manufacturing defect of the 165 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: of the human experience, right you. If you ever think, oh, 166 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: I always get stuck at this red light, what you're 167 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: remembering is just the times you've been stuck at the 168 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: red light. What you're forgetting is every other time that 169 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: you just sailed through and you didn't feel very persecuted 170 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: by the universe or spotlight by the universe. Yeah. I 171 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: think this works off that we do know that it's 172 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: been described as performance art, as multimedia storytelling. It reminds 173 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: me a little bit in some ways. It has what 174 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: corporate types would call the d n A of immersive 175 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: theater experiences. Uh, things like the Latitude Society over in California, 176 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: which we'll get into in another episode. Just sidebar and 177 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: please keep this on, Mike, doc but Cydebar, Matt, have 178 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: you heard of the Latitude Society Latitude Society? No? I 179 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: have not. Oh boy, Okay, it's a weird one. It's 180 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: a weird one. But Rando Natica is doing something that's 181 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: pretty pretty fascinating. It reminds me of um, remember No 182 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: Man's Sky before that game came out the remember the hype, 183 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: I remember the hype to I never played it. I 184 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: felt really bad because one of our I waited for 185 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: one of our colleagues to play it and let me 186 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: know what the deal was. But No Man's Sky essentially 187 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: promised to be a game where the player is a 188 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: space faring person. Right, they have a spaceship and they're 189 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: they're cruising through universe of randomly designed worlds. And that 190 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: sounds beautiful because you know, the game is is writing 191 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: itself around you, and Rando Nautica is sort of reframing 192 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: the way you would encounter the physical world. It's not 193 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: physically changing stuff about the world around you. It's kind 194 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: of like a skin you can put on Google Earth 195 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: or something. Yes, totally, and the only thing is Brando 196 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: Nautica encourages its users to use their intention to generate 197 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: in the world experiences. So it's almost like a cold 198 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: reading of yourself or something where I decide, uh, my 199 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: intention is to find guidance wherever it is that I'm 200 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: going to travel. So then once you get to that location, 201 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: you are searching for something that is going to meet 202 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: that criteria of your thoughts on what guidance would mean, 203 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: or what guidance you believe you require it in that moment, 204 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: or find something unexplained bowl uh. And then you know, 205 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: you discover a ladder set up against a tree in 206 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere that leads up to a single apple, 207 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, whatever, what everything you you encounter, then kind 208 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: of you can ascribe those thoughts to that thing or 209 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: you're going to be doing that anyway. Yeah, and this 210 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: has a shout out Rando Natica. They also ask you 211 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: to choose entropy right, intention and entropyte Randon Natica has 212 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: a prominent connection to one of my favorite academic pursuits 213 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: of the alleged spooky mental actions people are capable of 214 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: esp precognition, etcetera. We're talking about the Princeton Engineering Anomalies 215 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: Research Program or pair. Pair had an experiment in nine 216 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: and a number of other experiments supporting this idea that 217 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: people can, to some agree, control random number generation through 218 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: their thoughts, their focus, thought, will, and attention alone. If 219 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: you're a fan of the Mixed Sweeney's, the awesome Mixed 220 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: Sweeney's UH DVD publication that used to come out regularly. 221 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: It was like a DVD magazine or short films. You 222 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: may remember at one time mixed Sweeneys and Wolf and 223 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: distributed a bonus DVD from I think it was Pair 224 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: that asked you, the user, to view this recording at 225 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: a specific time and see whether you could alter the 226 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: results of the random number generators at Pair itself at Princeton. 227 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: So this sort of stuff is fascinating now. Of course, 228 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: the more skeptical members of our audience today are going 229 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: to point out the numerous holes in the methodology and 230 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: problems with the process. Sure, but still it's it's fun 231 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: to think about. So this is more and more an 232 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: argument for rander Nautica in my book. But man, Matt, 233 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: what kind of data is getting captured here? Oh right, 234 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: they say there isn't data being collected. Um that I'll 235 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: actually go. Let's go to their f a Q now 236 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: support dot rando knots dot com. This is officially what 237 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: they say. The application does not collect user data the 238 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: generated points, but never You're starting point are stored as 239 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: anonymized information with no connection to you or your device. 240 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: We utilize GPS only for your starting location and never 241 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: run this permission in the background. Officially, that is what 242 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: they say, Uh, now that we're on the f a Q, 243 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: can I do a few more? Ben Well, means the 244 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: app keeps sending me to private property. What should I do? 245 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: Enjoy the journey as close as you can get to 246 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: the destination without trespassing. Observed the observed the surroundings as 247 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: closely as you're comfortable with. As a user of the app, 248 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: you must abide by state and local private property laws. Okay, Uh, 249 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: it is private property though, explore during the day. Right. 250 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it does say that. What does it say, 251 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: I'm scared to use the app? Will anything bad happen? 252 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: It says, try to approach of neutral curiosity. In general, 253 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: the feeling of thrill, anxiety, and a bit of fear 254 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: is somewhat normal for first time users. Use situational awareness, 255 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: avoid night trips, and stay in your comfort zone. And 256 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: this this okay, so this is the thing. Uh, there's 257 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: the reverse psychology of this. It's it's very in some ways. 258 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: It's similar to, uh, the old game of getting into 259 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: a dark room and saying certain phrases repeatedly into a mirror, 260 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: right to tempt some other worldly or supernatural entity. Uh. 261 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of stuff on TikTok. There's a 262 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: lot of stuff on YouTube, people saying I tried this once, 263 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: it was terrified, Never use it again, you know, and 264 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: those people, we we can't say that they're being performative 265 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: or insincere without knowing them. They may honestly be very scared. 266 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: But that fright is ou mommy to other people and 267 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: what they want the danger? You know what I mean. 268 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: You've heard the urban legend this person said so and 269 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: so into a mirror, Well why not trip the light? 270 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: Fantastic myself thinks, thousands of other people and that's what's 271 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: happening here. Uh randon Otica does say you have to 272 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: get your parents consent to use the app if you're 273 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: a minor, But how how is that? How is that 274 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: a real barrier? Right? Who on earth has looked at 275 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: the you must be up eighteen and up or whatever 276 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: clicky things on the internet and thought, oh no, the 277 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: FBI is after now they're gonna get me because I'm 278 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: sixteen or whatever. This guy when when when I was fourteen? 279 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know. I think it's worth I 280 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: think it's it's a it's worth exploring. It be a 281 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: fun thing to do. I enjoy geo cashing as well, though, 282 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: so I'm biased. But um, but as far as whether 283 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: or not intention can affect the random number generation, I 284 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm curious. I'm curious, Matt. What do you think? Um? 285 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think it can. But who knows? I mean, 286 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: prove to me. We're not in the matrix right now, Ben, 287 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: can you know? You can't? So who knows? Who knows? Um? 288 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: Maybe there is a way to to game the system. 289 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: I'm just unaware of it because if I was, I 290 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: would be using it right now. So well, let's take 291 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: a break and I'll try and influence this ad to 292 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: be or what am I going to influence it to be? 293 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: World of Warcraft? Oh? Man, the weird tense nature of 294 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: our partnership. All right, I'm there with you, okay. Uh no, 295 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: Wammy's okay, here goes m Man. We're back. Uh, we'll see, 296 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: we'll see. It may have worked for someone, um, but 297 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, there's also the argument that you should do 298 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: what you want with with the world and with your experience. 299 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: So kudos to anyone who said I'm gonna help I'm 300 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: gonna help Doc and the boys out, and I'm just 301 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: gonna play a World of Warcraft ad on my own, 302 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: like on YouTube or something. So you made it true 303 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: for us on the Shadowlands. This next piece came to us, uh, 304 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: not too long go, and it is uh. It's something 305 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: that we wanted to share with you all, and we 306 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: wanted to get your opinions on this. Ralphie K writes 307 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: to us and says, esteemed colleagues and plubbing the trans mundane, 308 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: please find a letter attached. It explains everything. We come 309 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: in peace, afraid be not do please Hail Heiress, All, 310 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: Hail Discordia. M hmm. That sounds familiar, Hail Heiress. I 311 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: swear I've heard that before. Mm hmmm. And Discordia. It's 312 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: not Discworld, that was a whole other thing, but Discordia. 313 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: M hm. So this came with a an attachment, a 314 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: letter attached that we uh, we both were a little 315 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: hesitant about diving into both. I think did a did 316 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: a preview of the message, maybe compartmentalized before opening it, 317 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: and when we opened it. I don't know about you, Matt, 318 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: I'm very glad we did so because we got this 319 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: wonderful little letter we wanted to share with you. It's 320 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: a bit um, it's a bit thorough. So I propose 321 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: that we split the duties up here we tossed the 322 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: toss the text back and forth between ourselves, and then 323 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, pause as needed for explanations. First explanation before 324 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: we begin. What is Discordianism. Uh, it's according to Adam 325 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: go rightly, it was founded as a parody religion. Adam 326 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: Go rightly writes a lot about fringe thoughts and research. Uh. 327 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: It encourages the worship of Heiress, a Greek goddess. It's 328 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: Heiress in Greek, and it's um Discordia in Latin. So 329 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: there's a lot of strange stuff we're about to dive into. 330 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: We're on the edge of the pool, folks. So here 331 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: we go. Let's start at the top. And as the 332 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: mad header says, well, we'll start at the beginning, we'll 333 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 1: go through the middle, and we'll stop at the end. 334 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: That's perfect, all right. So rowthy rights from the absurdest 335 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: historians army and e O O T L g Alum 336 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: affiliate to the host of stuff. They don't want you 337 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: to know by name they are. And then it has 338 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: our our three names. And then what is what is 339 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: the colon dot, H colan dot, M colan dot and 340 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: then your name. What is that? I am not familiar 341 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: with a lot of these abbreviations either UM, right, honorable, 342 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: the right and honorable. I don't know, benol, it's weird. 343 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: It's weird. I noticed. Did you notice they didn't put 344 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: the M on every name? Oh? Yeah, you are the 345 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: only Mr. Well, maybe we don't know, master master. I 346 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. It would be misleading. So 347 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: we've already stopped in and we're already going, what's going on? 348 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: Please let us know what the R H M means. 349 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: We are not intimately familiar with this school of thought, 350 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: so Ralph, he says, esteemed colleagues in trans mundane research. 351 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: There we go. The callback worked. Allow us to begin 352 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: with introductions. I have countless names and countless faces. You 353 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: might call me a denizen of the space exterior to reality. 354 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: They inhabit a flesh suit at present these days, I 355 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: wear a red hat and am a quite real and 356 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: practical magician. That's amazing, And they continue I find your 357 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: work fascinating, particularly your collective talent for aphorism. We at 358 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: the A H A are also transfixed by the inexplicable, 359 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: the hyper novel, the super real, the trans mundane. Yes, 360 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: in particular R. H. Boland's adage that the great ideas 361 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: are the force that changes the world. And as the 362 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: branch of the illuminated conspiracy, your collective insistence on conspiracy 363 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: realism is refreshing to say, the least great ideas been 364 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: are the force that changes the world. And I couldn't 365 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: agree more. Well, Uh, it appears that we're being buttered 366 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: up for something, Matt. I know, all right, let's get 367 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: to you. Yes, esteemed colleagues, we the absurdest historians Army 368 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: are an affiliate branch of the esoteric Order of the 369 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: Laughing God, itself a branch of the rose Crucian Order 370 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: of Western Tatra Laughing God, Love it, love it. Uh. 371 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: We are the present representatives of the radical d z 372 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:58,959 Speaker 1: O G C h E N L Vadriana discipline of 373 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: the romneeing uh At in the Southwestern United States. For 374 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: our sins, I wonder if that's uh And then they 375 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: continue the scarlet lodge of force, the crimson Hood or 376 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: the Red Hats. We seek to directly assault the structural 377 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: notions of global fascism through art conversation and armed confrontation 378 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: if necessary. We will kill the idea without touching the 379 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: body that thinks it fascinating, assaulting the structural notions of 380 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: global fascism through art conversation and armed confrontation if necessary. Yeah, 381 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: just throw that one in there, you know, just a 382 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: dash of that. Okay, Okay, we see you. And then 383 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: they continue in short, we see what you see. It 384 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: is in our house now, and we must find it 385 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: and do now what we can. We practice a wide 386 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: range of tactics, primarily in the realm of culture jamming 387 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: and idea. Calm back, God, I love this bend Okay, continuing, 388 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: But this is a branch of what is referred to 389 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: as Operation g O T B. We have a document 390 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: regarding higher metaphysics which would be more of a definite 391 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: interest to you, and would be happy to send a 392 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,239 Speaker 1: copy with no strings attached. Let me just say go 393 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: ahead and send it. Please send it. Also, uh, the 394 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: skeptic and me does not believe that there are no 395 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: strings attached because everything is connected? And is this is 396 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: this not culture jamming in its own right? In some way? 397 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: Are you not jamming the culture? We're a culture jam bands. 398 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: So they go on to say, the only reason we 399 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: have not done so with this letter is due to 400 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: the general objection of sending unsolicited documents to filmmakers or 401 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: artists for obvious reasons. However, we explicitly intend find your 402 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 1: intention for you to make up your mind what we 403 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: have with has said no strings were implications attached. We 404 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 1: intend also to contact the r h M. There it 405 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: is again Robert Evans, but he's comparatively difficult to reach 406 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: for clear reasons. If our Steems colleagues would extend to 407 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: him our invitation as well, it would be of great 408 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: assistance and we would be most great. Full belief is 409 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: not a requirement to experience the mysteries. So they want 410 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: us to reach out to Rob. Well, Rob, this is 411 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: us reaching out to you. Can you hear us through 412 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: the air waves or the pod waves whatever these things are? 413 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: M Robert, this is interesting stuff. What do you think? 414 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: He's just doing great, great work. By the way, I 415 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: can't can't enough about him, but off Tony shows he's 416 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: got right now and uh, dear listeners highly recommend all 417 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: of them. We should probably have him on the show 418 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: at some point. But uh, to our wonderful correspondent, We're 419 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: so glad to hear that you are aware of and 420 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: supportive of the work of our h M. Robert Evans. 421 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: And so now our author goes on to give us 422 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: what a series of questions? Oh? Yes, in fact, they say, 423 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: allow me to pose a series of questions. Who am I? 424 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,959 Speaker 1: Before you immediately read my signature? Who am I? Without 425 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: that context? Can you guess my name? I am? If 426 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: it helps please to meet you all, albeit in abstentia? 427 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: What is anything without its context? Do you see how 428 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: I just became myself by context? Does anything have any 429 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: define ability at all without a comparison light and dark? Yes, 430 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: the light must be bright enough to reveal the dark, 431 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: and the dark must be deep enough for light to 432 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: truly appear. Well, let us speak of chaos. I got 433 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: some chills. That's excellent read man um. It just sounds 434 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: it sounds like it's writing that perfect line between a 435 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: supervillain and a superhero, Like they're just they're right there there, 436 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: the the anti hero that is exploring the edge through 437 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: counter I don't know what. Let's just talk about chaos, 438 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: ben okay, chaos, So look around, the letter continues, What 439 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: is the most abundant thing? What abounds in every place, 440 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,479 Speaker 1: regardless of what else abounds upon it. What, indeed is 441 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: the abound er, so to speak, it is chaos unmanifest 442 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: it is, Yes, and what if it's opposite? Can it 443 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: be said to have one perhaps anti generation? Yes? What 444 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: do we call that? Hate or hunger? Maybe the two together? 445 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: We call it malice? But does chaos not contain all 446 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: within it, along with all's negation as well? Then malice 447 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: must balance within the formula if we model it as one. Yes, 448 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: I love how it also writing style wise, I love 449 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: how at the end of some you know, larger conclusions 450 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: it's just a comment. Yes, I'm gonna start writing that way. 451 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: It sounds good. Yes. Um So, then what is order? 452 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: Not the opposite of chaos, as Pedestrian philosophy would have it, 453 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: the opposite of order is disorder, the actual dipole defining 454 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: the relative motion of neophobia and neophilia, that is, being 455 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: fear of our fixation on change. It is evident neither 456 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: is correct entirely, but that one must stand in the 457 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: middle of a bridge between the two islands. Yes, overall 458 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: is the overall of chaos nested within it, the hodge 459 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: and the podge, the aneuristic and the aristic order disorder, 460 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,239 Speaker 1: the halves of chaos undivided. It is the tension of 461 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: Hodge and Podge that makes this the world of ten 462 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: thousand things. Truly too many things come to pass, And inclosing, 463 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: our author says this is an invitation into the highest mystery. 464 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: Again interest in wording here afraid be do please not, 465 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: instructions to continue correspondence, and then um a very direct 466 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: first person closing here, I promise I am not a 467 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: serial killer or a stalker. I mean absolutely no harm. 468 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: Is only an invitation and may be refused with no 469 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: offense taken. I think any invitation should be something people 470 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: can refuse with no offense taken under this, under this 471 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: letter or that part of the letter. It ends with 472 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: the Scotan has been amantized. And then we see writing 473 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: in red. Help me out, Matt. That's definitely read right, 474 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: that is red. Yes, and it also appears it appears 475 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: to be German. Am I incorrect here? I believe you're correct? Yeah? 476 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: Or wait, yeah, I'm seeing some It looks germant to 477 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: me unless we're unless we're going oh wait, it's hail 478 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: heiriss hail hecate m hm, oh have a infinitum? Interesting? 479 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: Are they just trying to get us to say these 480 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: things on air? beIN? Right? Yeah, maybe to amplify the spell? Uh? Now, Matt, 481 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: as you point out, some parts of this letter are 482 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: in a different language, and one of those languages is German. 483 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: We had an interesting discussion off Mike about magic is 484 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: weaponized psychology and whether we are being asked to in 485 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: some way amplify a magical working by reading these phrases 486 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: on the air. Uh. In our reasoning, we don't want 487 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: to accidentally participate in a spell, whether or not you 488 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: believe in them. We certainly don't want to accidentally draw 489 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: in you, our fellow conspiracy realist as as part of uh, 490 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: members of a spell. So we figured we would read 491 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: the English translation of some of these phrases, and that 492 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: probably won't have the same effect, right if I understand 493 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: this correctly? H One hopes that this was not anticipated. Yes, Oh, 494 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: well done, Matt. Okay, So all right, let's do it. Though, 495 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: what do you think you want to hear the English? I? 496 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: Why don't you do one? I'll do the middle one 497 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: and then you do the last one. Is that? Okay? Okay? Okay? Alright, 498 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: for just from that top phrase. Okay, great, So the 499 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: first phrase is eternal flower power, eternal acid power. Is 500 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: that what you're getting? That's what I'm saying. And the 501 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: last one is I see the fourth color, Oh you do, 502 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: which is I'm partially color blind. I need all the 503 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: all the colors like I get. So we looked in 504 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem like um, it doesn't seem like 505 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: anything malevolent, you know what I mean. They're great little observations, aphorisms, uh, concepts. 506 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: Everything is true, nothing is permitted. Will that stop you? 507 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: Have you ever noticed that the only things you notice 508 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: are the things you notice? You just did? Dude? I 509 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: love that again? Afraid B do not please? But can 510 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: I read the next part? Here says one day you 511 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: will read this message and wonder at how much has changed. 512 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: We are the Illuminati. Curiously, that statement we are the 513 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: Illuminati is in all caps except for the A and 514 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: R of R and ben. I am not familiar with 515 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: that practice of spelling it in that way or writing 516 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: it in that way. Uh, that's certainly new to me. 517 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,919 Speaker 1: And I, you know, throughout this entire thing, I feel 518 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: like such a novice in all of the transmundane. Um, 519 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: I need to level up a lot. I'm fully on board. 520 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: This is a weird, seems kind of cool. I'm fascinated. 521 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,760 Speaker 1: I've seen some stuff like this before, but not addressed 522 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: specifically to us. So we're flattered. Were very flattered. Um, 523 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 1: let's check in. I don't want to put you too 524 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: much on the spot code named doc, but what do 525 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: you think of what you just heard? That's that's what 526 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: I got. Okay, okay, it's working. I don't know. The 527 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: discord has been sown, the chaos has been sparked. All 528 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: are confused being not please. Oh boy, this is getting 529 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: to be a lot. Um. Let's take a quick break 530 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: and we're back, very well further into the depths. So 531 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 1: a real and practicing magician. Yeah, our our author identifies 532 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: themselves as meaning then that you have enacted, um, what 533 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: are sometimes described as magical works. I would love to 534 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: hear examples of that. Would love to hear more explorations 535 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: of this. I think for outsiders, one thing that becomes 536 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,720 Speaker 1: pretty confusing is the nature of what would be maybe 537 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: called applied effect versus the more philosophical metaphysical concerns and 538 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: spiritual navigation. So I think seeing that together in a 539 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: combined system can be confusing to a lot of people. 540 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: But the first thing this reminded me of that because 541 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: I am a relatively simple person, is the Illuminatous Trilogy. 542 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 1: Do you remember these books? I certainly there are many 543 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: references in here. In fact, tell me correct me if 544 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: I'm wrong, Ben, But I believe that phrase. That phrase 545 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: right towards the end there is ripped directly out of 546 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: the Illuminatous Trilogy. The Blue Men craft part there, the 547 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: flower power is that not ripped from the Luminatus trilogy? 548 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,959 Speaker 1: Well you know this, this hailed Discordia stuff is definitely 549 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: in there. I don't know where they pulled it from though, right, 550 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: h But there are things in there like the twenty 551 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: three enigma, which is the idea that twenty three is 552 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: a magical or somehow significant number. And in the principal Discordia, 553 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: which is kind of the religious text of the Discordian 554 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 1: belief system, is written by Greg Hill and Carrie Wendell 555 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: formally um in that you'll see a claim about twenty 556 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: three that says all things happen in fives or are 557 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: divisible by or a multiples of fives, where somehow indirectly 558 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: or directly appropriate to five. Uh, that's the law of fives, 559 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: and twenty three is regarded as a coroll area that 560 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: law because two plus three equals five. That's the kind 561 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: of territory we're diving into here. Very clear. Um. You know, 562 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: we could also say that the reason we have base 563 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: five and base ten kind of numbers is actually very simple. 564 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: It's because that's the number of philanges or digits we have. Now, 565 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: those phalanges, they've really they've really just sent us, you know, 566 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: sent us on a path just because of these things. Man, Yes, yep, 567 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: because these hands. Now, if we all had six fingers, 568 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: it would be you know, we would have a like 569 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: a base twelve kind of situation going on. It's pretty 570 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: reasonable if for some reason we all had six fingers. 571 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: Do octopuses have like a base eight reasoning or or 572 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,879 Speaker 1: maybe not because each each arm has kind of its 573 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: own brain. Anyway, that's that's an episode for another day. 574 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 1: But Ah, this letter was such a refreshing surprise, and 575 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: it's something that you know, we always want to be 576 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: honest with you folks. We don't understand something. It's something 577 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: that's a little over my head. I don't. I didn't 578 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: catch a lot of these references, especially given that there 579 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: was a follow up is entirely not in not in 580 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: an alphabetic language that would be familiar to a lot 581 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: of people, for sure. Well, now I'm just gonna go 582 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: down rabbit hole after rabbit hole of stuff that is 583 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: included in this message, and I'm not going to stop 584 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: for a long time. And really, I just want to 585 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: learn more about the Scarlet Lodge of Force or the 586 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: Crimson Hood. I I feel like I'm aware of the 587 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: Crimson Hood, but the Scarlet Lodge of Force I'm going 588 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: to learn as much as possible about. Same same matt 589 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: uh hard same, let us hard. Let's say, uh, that 590 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,800 Speaker 1: sounds like it could be a weird album title or 591 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: someone you know what, It's like a Mick Mick Jagger 592 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: solo album. It's like Mick Jagger hard Same. Why does 593 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: that feel somehow often weird? I don't know. Well, it's 594 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 1: just the hard um, the Crimson Force. I'm not going 595 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: to get the Crimson Force out of my head or 596 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,240 Speaker 1: the Scarlet Force, sorry, the Scarlet Force, the Crimson something 597 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: so cool? Yes, yeah, And this this also has an 598 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: interesting tie in to our earlier exploration of Randa nautica, right, 599 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: the idea that intention alone can alter the world in 600 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: ways science has yet to understand. What's fascinating here is 601 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: that we know this is to a degree true when 602 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: it comes to observation of actions, very very small things, right, 603 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 1: like whether light is a particle or a wave to 604 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: slit experiment, and so on. But does that indicate anything larger? 605 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: Does that indicate my I don't want to sound dismissive, 606 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: I'm just want to think of examples. Does that indicate, 607 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: for example, that a vision board can meditating in front 608 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,879 Speaker 1: of a vision border, just meditating on your own Does 609 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: that somehow alter the world around you? Or does it 610 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: simply alter the way that you experience reality. I guess 611 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: the question is really phenomenological at some point, phenomenological experience, 612 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:27,760 Speaker 1: meaning that we're not changing the outer world. We're sort 613 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: of changing our consciousness with new information or new opinions 614 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: or new beliefs, and we are affecting that change most 615 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:44,399 Speaker 1: readily by our interaction with external objects of our direct experience. 616 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: So like, are we changing the world? Are we changing 617 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,840 Speaker 1: our minds about the world? That's that's kind of the 618 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: big question. Man. I remember when Back in the day, 619 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: I used to get that Reagano and make use of it, 620 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,720 Speaker 1: and I would have these kinds of thoughts all the time. Ben, 621 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: I want to let you know I'm going back to 622 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 1: a Reagano officially because of this letter. You're back. You're 623 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: back on the the Gato. I'm going directly to that sweet, 624 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 1: sweet reagano. So, um yeah. So this has given us 625 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: a lot to think about. I think both of us 626 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: are going to be uh digging deeper into this. Um yeah. 627 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: We massively appreciate the follow up document there with a 628 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: little bit more about metaphysics, because I think what's intimidating 629 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 1: to a lot of people in this sort of situation 630 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: is finding a starting point, you know what I mean? 631 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: How do I begin to understand these very specific allusions, 632 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: references and so on, or should I? Is this just 633 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: an act of culture jamming? And if so, what are 634 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: your favorite acts of culture jamming, dear listeners. I'll tell you, 635 00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: Matt there there's some great examples of this in the 636 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 1: illumin Honest trilogy. Some of my favorites have always been 637 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: fake signs, just fake signs that are just plausible enough. 638 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 1: Like one of the best examples in Illuminatus trilogy. This 639 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: is not a spoiler. Uh. Someone goes into a very 640 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: fancy department store and there's a sign that says, you know, 641 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 1: like you have to have shirt and shoes for service, etcetera. 642 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: So they altered this sign and they put up a 643 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: different sign. Can't know what it is, but the only 644 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: changes it just they add they added the line like 645 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: no spitting. And this was in a really fancy store, 646 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: and so customers will be very turned off when they 647 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 1: walk in and they're like, is spitting a problem here? 648 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: Spitting a sign was necessary? So that's why I like 649 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 1: culture Jammy like that, like putting up I used to 650 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 1: put up a lot of fake lost photos um or 651 00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: lost notices flyers. Yeah, like uh, I had one that 652 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: was like a lost parrot, and the whole thing was like, 653 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 1: please don't bring him back. He's a monster. Uh, runaway 654 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: from see him. That's pretty funny. Don't make eye contact, 655 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,280 Speaker 1: don't listen to his name, don't listen to what he says. 656 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 1: He will lead you astray. That's amazing. Oh well, that's 657 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: really great. Hey, this has nothing to do with that. 658 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I had a picture just flash in 659 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: my mind as a family. We watched this new Pixar movie, Soul. 660 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: It just came out pretty glorious as it includes a 661 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:41,760 Speaker 1: different view of eternity and the construct of the universe 662 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: and the metaverse and all that is reality and unreality. 663 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,359 Speaker 1: I would just recommend it for, you know, maybe not 664 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 1: super young kids, but anyone who has a budding curiosity 665 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: about how life functions and and all of that stuff. 666 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,919 Speaker 1: It's just it's an inspirational story. I would say, all right, 667 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: one for the adults too. Yeah, oh yeah, I cried 668 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: my eyes out every time. Cheers Pixar. Pixar is Yeah, 669 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 1: they've got a formula. It works. Um, yes, I I 670 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,879 Speaker 1: would love to check that out on your recommendation, net. 671 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm also going to be rereading Illuminatius trilogy. Want to 672 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: hear your examples of culture jamming. Just one more personal example. 673 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,719 Speaker 1: I've put up a I think the dumbest one is 674 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: I put up missing posters for a boomerang, and the 675 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 1: instructions were always just like wait here, uh so, let 676 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: us know what you think. What kind of a little 677 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,799 Speaker 1: place like that you've done. As long as they don't 678 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: hurt anybody, as long as they help us look at 679 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: the world in a new and interesting way. We're in 680 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: general all for them. You can tell us about these things, 681 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: many other things, whatever you wish to tell us and 682 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: your fellow listeners through an number of ways. We're on 683 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,840 Speaker 1: the Internet. We're on Instagram, We're on Facebook, we're on Twitter, 684 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,879 Speaker 1: as shows, as individuals. We'd like to recommend here's where 685 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: it gets crazy over there on Facebook, where you can 686 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,799 Speaker 1: hang out with the best part of the show, your 687 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 1: fellow listeners. But wait, you say I hate social media. 688 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: You shake your fist at the sky while someone is 689 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,880 Speaker 1: saying this is a Wendy's. There are other ways to 690 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 1: get in contact with us. You can just dial U up. 691 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,280 Speaker 1: You can give us a call, that's right. Our number 692 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 1: is one eight three three st d w y t K. 693 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 1: You can leave us a message with a suggestion for 694 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,319 Speaker 1: a show that you want us to cover for one 695 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,840 Speaker 1: of these just something you want to have, you know, 696 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 1: a quick chat about with us through your headphones, because 697 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,440 Speaker 1: we will will We'll chat with you that way. If 698 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: you want someone to actually call you back, I mean 699 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: it might happen. Beware and also gay uh, let us 700 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 1: know if you do not want your name or your 701 00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,919 Speaker 1: voice to be used on the show that that would 702 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,719 Speaker 1: be very helpful to us. Otherwise, if it gets left 703 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: on our voicemail, we're just gonna think of it as usable. 704 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,239 Speaker 1: Um what else here? Ben? If people don't like that 705 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:15,920 Speaker 1: stuff but they still want a new shirt that's like 706 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: really cool, is there anything they can do? Why? Yes, Matt, 707 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:25,880 Speaker 1: you can't go to tea Public where we have t shirts, uh, mugs, 708 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 1: all kinds of weird stuff. Just just search tea Public 709 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Uh, you'll see 710 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: some pretty cool swag. We also are working on some 711 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,360 Speaker 1: new designs that will be coming out in twenty one, 712 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,919 Speaker 1: so don't delay. Get the old school ones before they 713 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:47,600 Speaker 1: are gone. We also would love to hear a review 714 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,760 Speaker 1: from you if you want to help out the show. 715 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 1: That's the best way. 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