Speaker 1: Hey, it's Chris, you know, the host of this podcast
Speaker 1: you're listening to. I have a few stand up dates
Speaker 1: coming up. September eighth, I'll be in Boise, Idaho at
Speaker 1: the Lounge at the End of the Universe, followed by
Speaker 1: the Bug Theater October twenty eighth in Denver, Colorado with
Speaker 1: the Grolocks. That'll be a fun one. And then I'll
Speaker 1: be in Fort Collins at the Comedy Fort October twenty ninth.
Speaker 1: Please do attend. The tickets are available at Chris Fairbanks
Speaker 1: dot com.
Speaker 2: I leave in I you wanna way back? Either way,
Speaker 2: we want to be there. Doesn't matter how much baggage
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Speaker 1: We want to send you off in start.
Speaker 3: We want to welcome you back home. Tell us all
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Speaker 1: This is Chris Fairbanks.
Speaker 2: This is Karen Kilgara.
Speaker 1: We are in beautiful Burbank, the city that built, right,
Speaker 1: who did J Leno? Kind of? I don't know. Anytime
Speaker 1: I hear Burbank, I think of the area you live.
Speaker 1: Those should I have no said that.
Speaker 2: You know they're all gonna come.
Speaker 1: Home, all the people that are well, they're probably already
Speaker 1: perched outside Jay Leno's house. Yeah, he's the most murderable.
Speaker 2: But I believe that.
Speaker 3: You say Burbank is the city that Jay Leno built
Speaker 3: because of the acid washed denim dome that is u
Speaker 3: oh yeah, put up over the city in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the acid. It's acid washed on the top
Speaker 1: and the bottom. Letting you know it's okay to uh
Speaker 1: do denim on denim.
Speaker 2: It's always been okay for old j you know what.
Speaker 1: I've heard that it is okay to do denim on denim.
Speaker 1: These days, I think you can.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't go chambray on a lightwash gene.
Speaker 1: Right, it depends on it's it's nice to do it
Speaker 1: with a darker denim.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't. You don't want to look like you
Speaker 3: work as I don't know, Yeah, an acid factory.
Speaker 1: You're right. He dresses like he's he works at some
Speaker 1: sort of a manual labor job when he's doing his jaywalkings.
Speaker 3: I mean, we are talking about something that happened in
Speaker 3: the past too. We could probably right, let's forget.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the future.
Speaker 2: Yes, how about this, Let's.
Speaker 1: Talk about jay Leno's future.
Speaker 3: He's going to go to Mars. I volunteered him to
Speaker 3: go to Mars. Oh, and he will surely die there.
Speaker 1: We can only we can only hope. Oh why am
Speaker 1: I being so appressed?
Speaker 2: We're bandwagoneering about hating Jay Leno?
Speaker 1: What else could we say? Burbank is well known for
Speaker 1: new wave entertainment. Where we're about to pick up our
Speaker 1: next guest, Sarah Schaeffer. So exciting, Yeah, very exciting. So
Speaker 1: we know Sarah of course from her podcast Nicki and
Speaker 1: Sarah and the show they had on MTV Nicky and
Speaker 1: Sarah Live.
Speaker 2: Which was great.
Speaker 1: Sarah was the second name in the title of that project.
Speaker 2: They probably did it alf Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think either one of them had any kind
Speaker 1: of dominance over the other. You know, right where it is?
Speaker 2: Do we?
Speaker 1: Okay, we're here, Wow, we're here.
Speaker 4: That might be it might be her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how quick, that's how close we were.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Well, we're gonna have a nice fall.
Speaker 2: Is this a red carpet?
Speaker 1: Oh? Comedy Dynamics a seminar. Let's ask her about the
Speaker 1: comedy Dynamics seminar. I don't know what that is, but
Speaker 1: I did just see what if I haunt?
Speaker 4: Hi?
Speaker 1: Sarah?
Speaker 4: Hi?
Speaker 1: How are you hop on in back?
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 1: There?
Speaker 4: I'm picking up the mic.
Speaker 1: Perfect.
Speaker 4: It's so good to meet you in person finally because
Speaker 4: I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 1: So this is really Sarah Karen, Karen Sarah.
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan of yours.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I'm so flattered.
Speaker 2: We have a mutual friend. Scotty landis love me so.
Speaker 1: Scotty right, I think your miccid's fallen off. Karen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh I don't know, but it all Oh you guys,
Speaker 1: I know, I know.
Speaker 2: It was the back I'm back, so just the.
Speaker 4: Like a cinnamon roll in here? Does it good?
Speaker 1: Because I nice compliment?
Speaker 2: I have dogs, so I'm a yeah. There's all those chefs.
Speaker 1: They really are in horrible.
Speaker 2: Shape, very fat.
Speaker 1: Were you at the Comedy Dynamics seminar?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a seminar. No, it was a taping.
Speaker 4: They're doing like a It was like a stand up
Speaker 4: show that they filmed and they're gonna put it on
Speaker 4: their all across all their digital platforms.
Speaker 2: Its platforming.
Speaker 1: It's hard digitizing those platforms.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I did a stand up set in front
Speaker 4: of a sort of you know, these things are always
Speaker 4: a little weird when you do stand up in They
Speaker 4: set it up pretty nice, you know, it seemed like
Speaker 4: a club setting.
Speaker 1: Was it stand up in front of like your management people?
Speaker 4: No, thankfully, there was a real audience there. They were
Speaker 4: a little they weren't the best audience, but you know,
Speaker 4: they assured us that they were gonna make it sound great.
Speaker 4: And I was like, ooh, left track, thank you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what else could that mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah? But I mean, you know, they mike the audience,
Speaker 4: so they can probably boost it up a little.
Speaker 3: But and this was just like your management being like,
Speaker 3: we're just going to make our own stand up show.
Speaker 4: No, this they're not my management. They are.
Speaker 1: We're going to start a rumor that they are.
Speaker 4: Please don't like people think that my managers are far
Speaker 4: less well known. No, the it's I guess comedy Dynamics
Speaker 4: is a new thing. But new wave is like they
Speaker 4: do specials and albums and they also do a lot
Speaker 4: of weird post production for films. Not weird, but it's
Speaker 4: it's a company that does a lot of different things
Speaker 4: and they're they're trying to put out They're putting out
Speaker 4: a lot of stand up content.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I see their logo everywhere. Yeah, maybe it's
Speaker 1: a motion graphic.
Speaker 4: Yeah. New Wave does a lot of specials that you'll
Speaker 4: see on Netflix. I have an album coming out with
Speaker 4: them in a.
Speaker 1: Few weeks, terrific.
Speaker 2: What's it called chrysalis?
Speaker 1: Oh, my favorite stage.
Speaker 4: Of pupil it is. It's my favorite stage too. It's
Speaker 4: the development and transformation from caterpillar to butterfly.
Speaker 3: You guys don't like larvae those assholes as a kid,
Speaker 3: but now you think they're gross.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it has I leave the meaning up to
Speaker 4: the listeners. There's one butterfly reference on the album, but
Speaker 4: it also just represents my This material is like my
Speaker 4: transformation from a not comedian into a comedian.
Speaker 1: So I always think of the song by crazy Town
Speaker 1: Come My Lady, Come, Come my Lady, or my sugar
Speaker 1: Pie or my Butterfly.
Speaker 4: You're my butterfly.
Speaker 1: That's why I brought it up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny that I brought it and yeah, I
Speaker 4: do a cover of that on the.
Speaker 3: Just a kind of acoustic rap saying it out loud,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I brought that guy up.
Speaker 1: I liked it well when that's terrific?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 1: Yeah, How how do you approach the I'm looking to
Speaker 1: launch my second album, What do you?
Speaker 4: What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 4: I don't know. This is my first album and I've
Speaker 4: been doing stand up for a long time, so it's
Speaker 4: like it feels like a long time coming, but it's uh,
Speaker 4: I'm really proud of how it came out. Just turned
Speaker 4: in the final edit this week past week. And where'd
Speaker 4: you take it? In Union Hall in Brooklyn, and it
Speaker 4: was that was a place I used to perform out
Speaker 4: a lot when I lived in New York And you're
Speaker 4: out here now? Yeah, I live out here now, and
Speaker 4: I felt like I'm not. I haven't done the road
Speaker 4: extensively as many of my peers have, so I didn't
Speaker 4: have a club out there that felt like guaranteed, like oh,
Speaker 4: it's gonna go really well. And I just did so
Speaker 4: much stand up in New York that I feel like
Speaker 4: I actually do have an audience there. That's real.
Speaker 1: It's risky doing it at a club. I attempted to
Speaker 1: record my album three times on the road, and you
Speaker 1: never know what Yahoo group of Americans is going to.
Speaker 3: Show up at the It could be a party of
Speaker 3: people that work at Yahoo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, close people, an empty room except for Yeah, who's
Speaker 1: serious but.
Speaker 4: Very that would get like a lot of press just.
Speaker 1: Only him laughing, but super Australia. I yeah, but it was.
Speaker 1: It's it's good, I think to do it in a place,
Speaker 1: a safe.
Speaker 4: Place, yeah, because just most people listen to it. They're
Speaker 4: not like, oh, way to be lazy Schaeffer. You did
Speaker 4: it in the easy No, people don't care. They're not thinking.
Speaker 4: You know, I want it to sound like you at
Speaker 4: your best, and I really felt like I got that.
Speaker 4: So I'm very excited. But I'm nervous because I've never
Speaker 4: had my stand up. I haven't There's not a lot
Speaker 4: of it out there. There's like two jokes that you
Speaker 4: can find online. I've really not put any i haven't
Speaker 4: done a late night set, i haven't done a half
Speaker 4: hour on Comedy Central. So I'm nervous about this will
Speaker 4: be the first time that I'm getting any sort of
Speaker 4: feedback about my stand up in a on the internet.
Speaker 4: It was totally different than in the moment, nothing but excitement.
Speaker 2: I stay away from those comments.
Speaker 1: For do not read the comments.
Speaker 4: I know sometimes I do, just as like a cutting,
Speaker 4: a form of cutting just to feel pain. I feel
Speaker 4: something I had.
Speaker 3: The first time I ever read a comment about myself
Speaker 3: was the last I had that.
Speaker 2: I think I've told this story.
Speaker 4: Before, but.
Speaker 2: It was on.
Speaker 3: It was some mister show like Fanboard, and I had
Speaker 3: not been doing stand up for a really long time,
Speaker 3: so I was almost like just trying to see if
Speaker 3: anybody remembered me. It was almost the feeling of doing it, yeah,
Speaker 3: but definitely coming from a pathetic place. And so I
Speaker 3: saw my like, I basically did a search for my
Speaker 3: name and it came up and the comment was Karen
Speaker 3: Colgarriff is super hot when she's not being a lard ass.
Speaker 3: But what do I know, I'm a quadriplegic's many layers.
Speaker 2: It was everything.
Speaker 3: I literally was like, that's the only Internet comment I
Speaker 3: ever need to read again.
Speaker 1: Well, of course you attacked them, but you really got
Speaker 1: a side step that one tiptoe.
Speaker 3: It was a it was an emotional roller coaster, and
Speaker 3: then it dumped me off at that's I'm fine with
Speaker 3: whatever anybody thinks. It all got encapsulated in that guy's comment.
Speaker 4: Oh man.
Speaker 1: So sometimes they're useful, though, I remember saying one that said,
Speaker 1: this guy is ripping off Dimitri Martin and I kept
Speaker 1: seeing that, but usually on a clip that had the
Speaker 1: same joke in it, and.
Speaker 4: You realized you had a joke that was similar one
Speaker 4: of his or.
Speaker 1: Something, yeah, or exactly forbade him the same. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I whatever, I don't want to get into that.
Speaker 4: But but you just did.
Speaker 1: But he yeah, you know, someone stole a joke from someone.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and anyway, but it's so that was useful. It's like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is all? I don't have a similar style.
Speaker 4: They weren't talking.
Speaker 1: About style, they were talking about exact ship.
Speaker 4: Well the one.
Speaker 3: I mean, that seems that's a very specific way to
Speaker 3: be useful. But I think in general, it's people giving
Speaker 3: an opinion that you probably would never ask their opinions.
Speaker 1: For real life of criticism by a fifteen year old
Speaker 1: that calls never.
Speaker 2: Done stand up? Yeah, that's the problem to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Also, there's so much, I mean, for a woman,
Speaker 4: it's so much about your appearance and it's like this
Speaker 4: has nothing to do with it, and I'm just exhausted
Speaker 4: by it. Even like when I get a compliment like
Speaker 4: she's hot and funny, I'm like, I just wish you
Speaker 4: hadn't said the hot part, Like I just don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't care about it yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it bugs me. It's like I'm not you know.
Speaker 4: There was recently I saw some comments on a on
Speaker 4: something a radio show I had done, and I was
Speaker 4: really proud. It was like a good radio show. It
Speaker 4: was like forty five minute interview, like just real talk,
Speaker 4: like it was great for a morning radio show. It
Speaker 4: was specials and it's very special. Yeah yeah. And on
Speaker 4: their Facebook page, I just like clicked on it and
Speaker 4: then saw some comments and they were like it was
Speaker 4: like three comments that were really negative, and there was
Speaker 4: one guy who went and was replying to all of
Speaker 4: the comments to get a discussion going about how much
Speaker 4: he hated me.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 4: And on one a guy was like, I got one
Speaker 4: positive comment, but it was like she's hot. And then
Speaker 4: the guy replied the one that really hated me replied
Speaker 4: to that and said, trust me, this picture is the
Speaker 4: I've looked it up. This is the only she is
Speaker 4: not hot in any other picture. And I was like Jesus,
Speaker 4: he did his research. Like this guy was like on
Speaker 4: a rampage and he was like like looked like he
Speaker 4: was in his mid thirties, had kids in the picture
Speaker 4: with him. It was like a Facebook profile and his profile,
Speaker 4: you know, like you've had children and you're doing.
Speaker 1: This, and so then you of course attacked his children.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I did, and I found them and I
Speaker 4: do doxed his children.
Speaker 2: You've just been doged, Taylor.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I published their their phone numbers.
Speaker 3: On Fortune and that they're in the eighty's.
Speaker 1: Who isn't honor students at SO and so Elementary? You're
Speaker 1: little hugs.
Speaker 2: Well, it's part of it.
Speaker 3: It's part that's the hard part about like especially these days,
Speaker 3: it's a hard part about putting your stuff out there.
Speaker 2: It's hard enough to put your stuff out there, and
Speaker 2: then there's just.
Speaker 4: To do the show exactly to do the show I
Speaker 4: just did was hard.
Speaker 1: Just to wake up?
Speaker 2: Hard?
Speaker 3: Are you.
Speaker 1: Part? I go?
Speaker 4: And then there's another layer that a second wave of
Speaker 4: bullshit that you have to deal with once it's out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I can't even relate to it being just
Speaker 1: an attack on your gender. People's instinct, though, is to
Speaker 1: just to go like when I was wearing seat. This
Speaker 1: is not at all the same, but it is the
Speaker 1: same instinct in people. So maybe it's making them not
Speaker 1: all haters of women, but they are. Most people hate women.
Speaker 1: Most women hate women. That bothers me too, Yeah, comedian
Speaker 1: women anyway, But every time I work, God, damn sweater,
Speaker 1: So people like sweater, cardigan sweater.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, no, yeah, that's not to say men definitely
Speaker 4: get taught. If you're in the public eye, you get
Speaker 4: your appearance gets talked about. Reardless, I'm not as much.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's just it's it's so central to
Speaker 4: the conversation for women that it's just.
Speaker 1: Like right, it's yeah.
Speaker 4: A long time I was used to it and didn't
Speaker 4: even think anything of it. But then it's like one
Speaker 4: of those things once it's pointed out to you how
Speaker 4: fucked up it is, you're.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, so, yeah, anyway, well good, just don't let's
Speaker 1: I've I learned. I really don't read comments anymore. Just
Speaker 1: wait for a positive review and read those and then But.
Speaker 4: See, if you take this is what I've been thinking
Speaker 4: a lot about. If you take a positive review seriously.
Speaker 4: Then that means you have to take the negative review seriously.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 4: Nah, And so you have to read none of them.
Speaker 1: No, No, I read all the positive ones, and I
Speaker 1: because I need I already I have negative reviews kind
Speaker 1: of just scrolling through my head where I actually have
Speaker 1: written them. And yeah, so I don't need to. We
Speaker 1: all give ourselves a hard enough time. Yeah, it's only
Speaker 1: read the good ones. Well.
Speaker 2: I had the same thing, sure where my I just
Speaker 2: had it.
Speaker 3: Well, not just but last year put out an album
Speaker 3: and that was the first time I ever put anything
Speaker 3: out at all of my own like stand up performing
Speaker 3: or whatever, and like in that way and without even
Speaker 3: looking at reviews either way or doing anything, just the
Speaker 3: idea that it was out there, that people could buy
Speaker 3: it and listen to it and judge it. I had
Speaker 3: a whole thing with that. It was really hard because like.
Speaker 4: It's definitely scared.
Speaker 3: It's scary, and it's like it invokes all the demons
Speaker 3: of the worst things you can think of yourself.
Speaker 2: Then you just project it. I mean, it's it's a
Speaker 2: whole thing.
Speaker 3: So there's you know, that's part that's the beauty of art,
Speaker 3: of being an artist.
Speaker 2: But just get all that.
Speaker 1: In the past year, though you've found it to be
Speaker 1: a pod, you've gotten mostly good feedback, and.
Speaker 3: Right, I have to say, though, I think it's mostly
Speaker 3: I unless somebody literally put a review in front of
Speaker 3: me that was like, did you read this? It was
Speaker 3: really good, which is something my sister to have to do.
Speaker 3: I've not sought out any any response, good or bad.
Speaker 4: I should try to do that because I have been
Speaker 4: thinking about like getting off Twitter and social media for
Speaker 4: a little while and paying someone to do the promo
Speaker 4: shit for me that you need it for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would suggest that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's become pretty negative for me. Social media has
Speaker 4: always been a problem.
Speaker 3: It's hard well, because you also have good conversations.
Speaker 2: I remember in the crazy Daniel Tosh.
Speaker 3: Rape arguing days, you.
Speaker 2: Said some great stuff on there. I would never get
Speaker 2: into it because.
Speaker 4: Every time I do, I regret it. I regret it deeply.
Speaker 2: It's it is not the place for that discussion.
Speaker 3: And the people that seem to quote unquote when are
Speaker 3: not because they're making the best point.
Speaker 4: It's oh yeah, exactly when you make when you make
Speaker 4: a reasonable point, no one cares.
Speaker 3: Right, and it's you know, it's letting other people run
Speaker 3: the clock.
Speaker 2: But but you did.
Speaker 3: It was mental lot to me that you even kind
Speaker 3: of like engage in that way or like try to
Speaker 3: say something because I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard.
Speaker 4: It is every time I've ever weighed in on any
Speaker 4: any of those hot debates in our business, on onlinery,
Speaker 4: not even in our business. It's anything I get, and
Speaker 4: I because I don't. I mean, some you know, some
Speaker 4: people like really are outspoken, and those people get those women,
Speaker 4: especially the women, they get just so much brutal ship
Speaker 4: thrown at them.
Speaker 1: I'm afraid that even when I agree with someone, it
Speaker 1: bothers me when people are speaking their mind on Facebook.
Speaker 4: Specifically, Oh I quit Facebook, Yeah, after the the I
Speaker 4: think it was the Tosh thing, but one so crazy
Speaker 4: was it Tosh or was it the you see, it
Speaker 4: was one of these big debates like you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know, and I even remember what should they pay comedians?
Speaker 4: And I ended up quitting because I wrote, like a
Speaker 4: really long it's the length Facebook is. It's too long,
Speaker 4: there's too many comments, it's too in depth, and you
Speaker 4: get sucked into it way too much, and there's just
Speaker 4: too much emotion. Twitter is at least you can like,
Speaker 4: all right, you can't make much of a point. You
Speaker 4: kind of have to get off. But Facebook, I wrote
Speaker 4: a long like thoughtful, reasonable, you know, reasonable, like I
Speaker 4: understand both sides, blah blah blah. And then someone who
Speaker 4: I know but not well, like comedian I met, like once.
Speaker 1: This is your only good photo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, guys, trust me. I looked up the other photos
Speaker 4: and she just her comment was too long, and I
Speaker 4: deleted my Facebook thirty minutes later. I have a fan page,
Speaker 4: and and now I have in order to have a
Speaker 4: fan page, you have to have a regular Facebook page
Speaker 4: to be the administrator. So to create like a fake,
Speaker 4: I just have a really small profile that I and
Speaker 4: so I can see my sisters pictures of her kids
Speaker 4: and sure, sure yeah, but I am not engaged in
Speaker 4: Facebook anymore. And I could not be happier.
Speaker 3: It's so crazy, the idea of people arguing stuff like
Speaker 3: that from like the office in their house.
Speaker 2: They'll say things they would never say that person.
Speaker 1: It's bothered me since the beginning. Even with just email,
Speaker 1: people are willing to fire off feverishly written things that
Speaker 1: they would never say to your face or even over
Speaker 1: the phone. I remember early on when I was first
Speaker 1: getting my very first email account, my dad was always
Speaker 1: complaining about people that worked for him, just saying like
Speaker 1: try and saying like telling him off the email, and
Speaker 1: he would just always just call them and go, hey,
Speaker 1: let's talk about this. It seems like you just said
Speaker 1: this and this to me. I didn't. I thought that
Speaker 1: I like these. Yeah, it's always and now it's even
Speaker 1: worse because you can add pictures and bring it to certain.
Speaker 4: You can bring a lot of people into it.
Speaker 3: I've done the thing where and this wasn't too bad
Speaker 3: because it was with somebody, uh that I know and
Speaker 3: am friends with but at the time didn't know him
Speaker 3: well enough. I did the thing where I sent kind
Speaker 3: of a long email that was like this meant so
Speaker 3: much to me, and it was like a thank you,
Speaker 3: but I was kind of a little bit caught up
Speaker 3: in in in the the day we had spent together,
Speaker 3: so it was very I get very like into the
Speaker 3: writing of like I lose the point almost of like
Speaker 3: what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: And they're like, what the fuck.
Speaker 3: Yes, I did the one where I did that, so
Speaker 3: it was like a four paragraph email and then my computer,
Speaker 3: my Gmail said it didn't send.
Speaker 2: So I immediately rewrote it.
Speaker 3: And resent it, and then in the afternoon that day
Speaker 3: he sent me an email that said those were two
Speaker 3: of the nicest emails, and I thought.
Speaker 2: I was going to die.
Speaker 3: Like I was like sitting there just going like oh
Speaker 3: my god, like no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: It were different enough that you know that he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a nice second email related.
Speaker 3: But also I think he is the kind of person
Speaker 3: that got the general is like we weren't we didn't
Speaker 3: know each other that well and now we're really good friends,
Speaker 3: where he kind of gave me the benefit of the
Speaker 3: doubt and like to.
Speaker 1: Be duplicate sentences.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I know, right. It was like I basically
Speaker 2: it might as well sentiment an email that said I'm
Speaker 2: deeply in love.
Speaker 3: With you, because it was that, but it was more
Speaker 3: of like because he it was I had just done
Speaker 3: a big show and it meant a lot to me,
Speaker 3: and it was like one of those things and we kind.
Speaker 2: Of had had a deep conversation.
Speaker 3: It was all these layers of shit that then just
Speaker 3: turned into like a Jane Austin level humiliation where I
Speaker 3: was like, I can't believe.
Speaker 2: That's like and so from like since that day, I
Speaker 2: never sent.
Speaker 3: If something like doesn't send or there's any problem, I'll
Speaker 3: I just shut my computer and like walk away from it,
Speaker 3: like I'm not nothing's going to happen for at least weeks.
Speaker 4: I have a rule about emotional emails that I write
Speaker 4: them without the person's email address in the two sections,
Speaker 4: so I can't accidentally send it. And then I close
Speaker 4: it and I forced myself to wait twenty four hours. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then I reread it, and usually I don't even
Speaker 4: send it, or if I do, it's like two sentences
Speaker 4: as opposed to like eighteen paragraphs.
Speaker 1: Literally wait till the next day.
Speaker 4: Wow, yes, I started doing this in my.
Speaker 1: I regret ninety percent of my emails.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, well these are like angry. It usually prontational,
Speaker 4: which I shouldn't even be sending an email. I should
Speaker 4: be talking to the person.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think. But I think even worse than like
Speaker 4: because those you don't want to say something you regret,
Speaker 4: and you know you don't want to like cause a
Speaker 4: fight that isn't necessary or whatever. But my thing that
Speaker 4: I do that I regret is I'll send like what
Speaker 4: you did, Karen, I'll send a gushy, spilling my guts,
Speaker 4: like you know, just you know, really emotional email to
Speaker 4: someone and then like they don't respond with the long response.
Speaker 4: They'll just be like, oh my god, thank you. I'll
Speaker 4: respond to this later, and then they never do, and
Speaker 4: I'm just like, fuck, why did I just spill my
Speaker 4: guts to you? And then you're like not giving it?
Speaker 4: Because all I want is like intimacy with people like
Speaker 4: that is my I'm addicted to it. I want to
Speaker 4: be close to people. I want I want best friends.
Speaker 4: I want you know, I want to be just like
Speaker 4: in you, like as a friend, which is.
Speaker 1: Really I want to wear your skin.
Speaker 4: I want to wear your skin, and I want to
Speaker 4: live in your bed with you.
Speaker 1: I want to be out of your face and put
Speaker 1: on my face.
Speaker 2: I don't understand what you resist.
Speaker 1: Are you afraid of I'm afraid. I'm the I am
Speaker 1: the person that says, oh, I'll get back to this
Speaker 1: because I'm overwhelmed. If there's a long email.
Speaker 4: I know, I'm like too much. Yeah, I get too much.
Speaker 1: Oh, I got to get back to this, and I
Speaker 1: take a nap and then I never part of.
Speaker 3: My thing too is I love writing so much that.
Speaker 3: I love figuring out exactly how I want to say something.
Speaker 3: It's so satisfying to be like, I'm going to tell
Speaker 3: you how much you mean to me in a way
Speaker 3: that's and then exactly do the thing I want to
Speaker 3: do to you, Like it's gonna endear.
Speaker 2: Me to you, but then it's also going to make
Speaker 2: you feel good.
Speaker 4: And like I like writing. That's why I like email,
Speaker 4: and sometimes in that way because you can be so
Speaker 4: clear with your feelings.
Speaker 1: I like to be nice in an email and every
Speaker 1: other and.
Speaker 2: Somebody, which makes them fall in love with you.
Speaker 3: Right, that's a good trick. My worst is when people
Speaker 3: want and this is kind of my dating problem life.
Speaker 3: Still it's taken me forever to learn of, like if
Speaker 3: someone texts you, the whole politic of texting back and
Speaker 3: waiting and not or whatever, because I'll totally be like,
Speaker 3: if it's if you have a jokey relationship, I just
Speaker 3: want to get a good joke in, so I'll totally
Speaker 3: sacrifice like seeming alluring or mysterious.
Speaker 1: Or waiting two days or I'll be like, here's the
Speaker 1: hilarious thing now, and I've driven away scores of people
Speaker 1: by doing that.
Speaker 2: You're not really like.
Speaker 3: Three, but still horrifying, Like you just can't learn the
Speaker 3: lesson because it's it seems so funny to me. Or
Speaker 3: also same thing with emailing early in the morning.
Speaker 4: I have to force myself not to do that.
Speaker 2: An eight am email can freak the shit out of people.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they're like, what she fucking been doing?
Speaker 2: Like just looking at your picture, just you.
Speaker 1: Too, a picture of you and me and a cup
Speaker 1: of coffee.
Speaker 4: We just woke up thinking about you.
Speaker 1: Every day near these knives.
Speaker 2: Drop a line.
Speaker 4: And now living in La now I'm I've become acquainted
Speaker 4: with the like when you're in it with someone, when
Speaker 4: you're in some sort of like argument or drama, is
Speaker 4: someone the having to pull the car over to text
Speaker 4: or write something because you're just like you've got to
Speaker 4: fucking say it now, you know, like which I'm like,
Speaker 4: this is defying my rule. But I'm like, I'm so
Speaker 4: mad I need to pull over, and you'd like, but
Speaker 4: then this, what about this?
Speaker 1: That's just one time I fevershly pulled over and uh
Speaker 1: and then I just typed you made me pop my
Speaker 1: tire because I hit the curb and my tire went flat,
Speaker 1: And then I and I blame the person, and that's
Speaker 1: not why I over to that's so hard. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: do a lot of that, but it's also you're just
Speaker 1: being safe when you do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's okay to I know, I don't do. I
Speaker 4: don't fight while driving, no pull over. I do like,
Speaker 4: I do like and really enjoy the car now being
Speaker 4: a place where I can talk out my feelings to myself.
Speaker 4: Just scream at someone that's pissing me. I'm just be
Speaker 4: like you knew, you knew that would hurt my feeling,
Speaker 4: just like having a fucking meltdown in the car. Yes,
Speaker 4: and it's really good. I mean it's very therapeutic. You
Speaker 4: can't do that in New York or you're a crazy person.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, we do a podcast in our car, did you know?
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 3: I love I'll do some interviews in the car if
Speaker 3: it's like a long ride.
Speaker 2: I practice what my stances on things.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I do that too.
Speaker 2: Like professional stance practice.
Speaker 3: I should in a way that never comes into play
Speaker 3: in my real life, like in no way.
Speaker 2: But I'll be like, you know, I think it's just
Speaker 2: really important a community.
Speaker 3: Like things like that that like do not apply to
Speaker 3: my real life at all, like almost like practicing Ted talks, Yes,
Speaker 3: that you'll never give I can't.
Speaker 1: Go, you guys, I have stance practice.
Speaker 4: I got it.
Speaker 3: I gotta nail my stance down pretty hard before I go.
Speaker 2: What's your stance?
Speaker 4: You gotta know your stance. It's very important.
Speaker 1: I know that I talk to myself in my car.
Speaker 1: I yell angry. I get angry. In my my car
Speaker 1: is where I get my angriest. I am afraid so
Speaker 1: or just yeah, I get. You know how anxious I am.
Speaker 1: There's a reason Karen's driving I get and people have
Speaker 1: commented on it. Apparently I have a surreal vehicular temper explosive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's and it makes people scared and takes away from comedy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Karen operates the motor vehicle and I but I'm
Speaker 1: you know, it's good that that, to me is therapeutic.
Speaker 1: You don't make that way outside your car where there's
Speaker 1: people and ears.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Also, you may have noticed this. One of the great things.
Speaker 3: About LA is probably eighty percent of the drivers here
Speaker 3: are the worst drivers on the planet.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've noticed that.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't have much to compare it to because I
Speaker 4: lived in New York for so long and didn't have
Speaker 4: a car. No, okay, that I lived in Virginia. It's like,
Speaker 4: I don't know. It was like in college, I didn't
Speaker 4: really know what driving.
Speaker 1: When I moved here, I was relieved that people didn't
Speaker 1: drive as crazy as they did in Austin, Texas, where
Speaker 1: people really go one hundred. People go so fast, like
Speaker 1: we're the biggest state fast, like there's a pride in
Speaker 1: speed that is equivalent I do.
Speaker 4: I do drive. I drive like an old woman. I'm
Speaker 4: extremely caut too. Me too, But I don't get mad.
Speaker 4: I get I go, oh, you're gonna come right in
Speaker 4: front of me, are you? I'll be like, well, and
Speaker 4: I'll be fucking douchebag, and I'll just be really calm
Speaker 4: about it. But the the thing that I noticed here is,
Speaker 4: and this is more just where I live. I hear
Speaker 4: car accidents or near car accidents every day where I live,
Speaker 4: and just you know, it's and I'm like, it shouldn't
Speaker 4: be this much.
Speaker 1: Like I'm more, I've become very alert. I am up front,
Speaker 1: I almost have my forehead touching my windshield. I am
Speaker 1: like this, But I really do think that in La.
Speaker 1: People are all, for the most part, driving with the
Speaker 1: frantic fear, fear of each other. And I think that's well, there's.
Speaker 4: Fear, and then there's people who are just distracted on
Speaker 4: their phones doing whatever. And that's what you know. Like
Speaker 4: cause where I live, I live right on not on
Speaker 4: Silver Lake Boulevard, but like I can see it from
Speaker 4: my apartment. I live on a different road that's next
Speaker 4: to it, and it's just the curvy road and people
Speaker 4: go too fast on it. But you can't get up
Speaker 4: that much speed on it. It's just that people aren't
Speaker 4: paying attention coming around a curve and they hit people.
Speaker 3: Like people really do look at their phones when they drive, though,
Speaker 3: it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah I do.
Speaker 2: It's so bad.
Speaker 4: You really try. I do it.
Speaker 1: We both do it.
Speaker 4: Let's just stop lights, and you shouldn't even do that
Speaker 4: because it's not Yes.
Speaker 3: I've been trying to save it for stop lights, but
Speaker 3: my problem is I will get this sense that people
Speaker 3: are going without looking up.
Speaker 4: Yet, and then you start to accelerate. Yes, that's why
Speaker 4: I stop light is bad idea.
Speaker 2: It's bad.
Speaker 3: Like it's that kind of thing of just being an adult.
Speaker 3: For me, I should just put my phone away. Right,
Speaker 3: there's nothing going on. That's that I'm afraid.
Speaker 1: That's that's when I have my thoughts to myself. That's
Speaker 1: when I want to address things. I'm driving, I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: That's where I do most of my business. But I
Speaker 1: use the voice command. I go and like just say
Speaker 1: what I want. I think that we should meet later, Comma,
Speaker 1: we have to talk about this other stuff, period. Furthermore.
Speaker 1: Comment again, I don't say again that word. Yeah, therefore,
Speaker 1: either I've gotten very good at dictating with punctuations.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 1: I think it's Meanwhile, my eyes are on the road safely. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't know.
Speaker 4: Ittoth like for the phone, but I've never done voice commands.
Speaker 1: It really you can do.
Speaker 4: Audio texting now too, where you can just record a
Speaker 4: message and text it to someone.
Speaker 3: If that's oh again, have you ever accidentally done that,
Speaker 3: because I've accidentally a.
Speaker 4: Friend of mine just did it to me, and it
Speaker 4: was just all I heard was her dog barking and
Speaker 4: her going.
Speaker 3: No, it's a little snippets of people's lives.
Speaker 4: I do it all the time.
Speaker 3: I'll just look down and I'll have sent someone the
Speaker 3: past five seconds, and I like panic of like, what
Speaker 3: the fuck? Was I just doing or saying. But it's
Speaker 3: usually like walking in a parking lot or something.
Speaker 1: I have not pocket done that yet.
Speaker 2: It's pretty great.
Speaker 4: I need to get in on that.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get in on it, doing it, get
Speaker 1: down on it.
Speaker 3: So, Sarah, what being in Los Angeles? What is the
Speaker 3: most fun thing you've done?
Speaker 1: Compare contrast New York? No good here is really in
Speaker 1: the water.
Speaker 4: I the most fun thing I've done here, just other
Speaker 4: than experiencing a new part of the country in great weather. Yes,
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think.
Speaker 2: Ship. Have you seen the celebrity yet?
Speaker 4: I saw Miles Teller best Wine, best Buy, Yeah, and
Speaker 4: he was picking something up. And he's the kid in
Speaker 4: Whipblash that plays the drums and I had never really
Speaker 4: seen him in anything before, and I fell in love
Speaker 4: in the movie. Like I just I think he's very attractive.
Speaker 4: He's just my He's like a young Richard Gear and
Speaker 4: Richard Gere is like my favorite. I would fuck him
Speaker 4: into next week. My first sex dream ever was about
Speaker 4: Richard gear. I don't know what it is about him.
Speaker 4: He doesn't He's not even conventionally like as attractive as
Speaker 4: many other actors.
Speaker 2: I think it is.
Speaker 3: It's tiny alpha swagger. It's like he's saying you all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so it's kind of like, what if.
Speaker 2: He liked me? What if the asshole liked me?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I know, and they never do, but uh, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: Going to fuck you in the next week as a tattoo.
Speaker 1: I think that's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was quoting. Fifty Shades of Gray. No, oh, God,
Speaker 4: did you see that one? I did. I saw it
Speaker 4: in Miami. I was just there.
Speaker 1: That's where you go.
Speaker 4: I flew to Miami to see it. No, he was
Speaker 4: in Miami, and I had to go see it because
Speaker 4: I was it was filming something that I had to
Speaker 4: talk about it, and and I went to like a cinebistro,
Speaker 4: which is like you're you eat and drink while you're
Speaker 4: watching the movie with those yes, big chairs like. So
Speaker 4: I went and it was all these Miami women, like
Speaker 4: middle aged housewives, drunk off their asses. I didn't even
Speaker 4: hear most of the funny commentary because it was in
Speaker 4: Spanish that people were yelling out at the screen like
Speaker 4: big laughs would happen after a lady would say something,
Speaker 4: I'd be like, I don't know what she said, but
Speaker 4: it would be so funny because anytime anything hot would happen,
Speaker 4: which wasn't often, a woman would not need to be
Speaker 4: like ials meal. It was so fun But the movie
Speaker 4: was just a hot pilot trash. Was so bad. It
Speaker 4: was so fucked up and weird. There was only one
Speaker 4: sex scene that actually like turned me on, and it
Speaker 4: could have been a sex scene between any great lovers,
Speaker 4: you know, like.
Speaker 1: It wasn't It wasn't even that.
Speaker 4: It wasn't even really BDSM like I mean, and this
Speaker 4: is the heart and I'm it is a little sorry
Speaker 4: Karen's having an orgasm just hearing about but yeah she
Speaker 4: uh okay. So this is a little it's not much
Speaker 4: of a spoiler because you find out very quickly in
Speaker 4: the movie. And I didn't know this because I didn't
Speaker 4: read the book or anything. He's a virgin. She meets him,
Speaker 4: and no joke. The second time she has sex, she's
Speaker 4: tied up to the bed, blindfolded and doing it doggy
Speaker 4: style and gets spanked, and I'm like, you just went
Speaker 4: from zero to like your second time having sex, it
Speaker 4: was like more advanced. And then this is a tweet
Speaker 4: I'm quoting, but that I did. It's like more advanced
Speaker 4: than my like five hundred times.
Speaker 3: I don't think I've had sex that's hilarious.
Speaker 2: I was thinking, because I've had.
Speaker 3: A couple of people that talked about what the sex
Speaker 3: was in that movie, and to me, it's so hilarious,
Speaker 3: Like there's shit on Tumblr like if those people.
Speaker 2: Knew what real real beds, real bds.
Speaker 3: I'm and like the stuff that's becoming very common to people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it felt almost like like too tame, like it was,
Speaker 4: you know. And she gets beaten at the end of
Speaker 4: the movie, and it's like like beaten up. He like
Speaker 4: whips her really hard, and because she goes, it's like
Speaker 4: the worst fucking dialogue. She's like, she's like, do your worst.
Speaker 4: I want to know why you do this, and he
Speaker 4: she's like, show me the worst you can do, and
Speaker 4: the worst is him whipping her with a belt really hard,
Speaker 4: and then she she lets him do it and then
Speaker 4: it finishes. I'm giving away the end of the movie,
Speaker 4: so oh yeah, and she's like pause, she's she finished,
Speaker 4: she's crying. She finishes getting whipped with a belt, and
Speaker 4: then she gets up and he tries to touch her
Speaker 4: and she's like, touch me, and then.
Speaker 1: What are you kidding me that way.
Speaker 2: Don't get married.
Speaker 4: That wouldn't get married because there's gonna be a sequel.
Speaker 4: You know where they where they you know where they
Speaker 4: make their mouth and stuff like that. I mean, but
Speaker 4: that's what I'm saying, is like she goes from so
Speaker 4: much of it is so unbelievable and weird, and like
Speaker 4: his behavior at the beginning of the movie, if he
Speaker 4: wasn't rich and attractive, would be literal like stalker, serial
Speaker 4: killer behavior.
Speaker 1: Either of you read this book that was sweeping the nation.
Speaker 2: I didn't read, of course, I can't read.
Speaker 1: It's Yeah, I'm not a member of the b D
Speaker 1: s M.
Speaker 4: I recommend the movie Secretary if you want to see.
Speaker 1: It's a good one.
Speaker 4: It's hot, and it's a love story, yes, like a
Speaker 4: true like they're both they both awakened to their who
Speaker 4: they are together.
Speaker 3: Yes, and it's so consensual. She's like, oh, she's so
Speaker 3: it's almost like therapy for her.
Speaker 2: I love that movie. That's a really great movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is what is BDS. I don't even know
Speaker 1: what its stands for.
Speaker 4: Dominant submissive. No, I don't know what D is.
Speaker 2: Dominant daisies.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of flowers. I haven't seen the movie.
Speaker 4: I'm really into a flower play.
Speaker 2: I just stick a daisy and a gun.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I like when a girl comes up to me,
Speaker 1: it looks like she's gonta kiss, and then she just
Speaker 1: blows a bunch of pollen into my face. Turns I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't turn me on so much. It's cause a
Speaker 1: horrible allergic reaction, which is allergic.
Speaker 2: Which is part of the pain of what are your
Speaker 2: depths that you're willing to go.
Speaker 1: Nothing turns me on more than when I get because
Speaker 1: I'm allergic to almost everything. One of them is the ocean.
Speaker 1: If I am getting down with and just my nose
Speaker 1: it's just draining and I'm sneezing and I'm coughing, and
Speaker 1: I get It's like just one of the God turns
Speaker 1: me on. Yeah, I currently have bronchitis, I really do.
Speaker 1: That's okay, I'm on antiotics, but theodics is it biotics
Speaker 1: or beonyx?
Speaker 2: Biotics?
Speaker 4: Beonyx is definitely an old person way of saying antibiotics.
Speaker 1: I am a horrible case of bronchis. Thank god it
Speaker 1: wasn't pending yet. I'm done.
Speaker 2: I'm done antibiotics.
Speaker 1: You guys, take it away. We're here, We're here at
Speaker 1: Mount Them. We're just kind of chilling.
Speaker 4: I saw Miles Teller that the best buys the moral
Speaker 4: of that long story.
Speaker 1: And he's an actor and also a real life drummer, right,
Speaker 1: I think that he's a drummer turned actor.
Speaker 4: Is he? Oh that makes it even better.
Speaker 2: I heard that he was a drummer.
Speaker 3: But not to that level, and that he basically studied
Speaker 3: to be that good for that movie.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, that's what act. It even hotter.
Speaker 3: I found him very appealing in that movie, and then
Speaker 3: did a little research, and uh, by research, I mean
Speaker 3: watched a zach Efron movie that he was in.
Speaker 4: I've heard, yeah he's in some other ship that's and
Speaker 4: ship being the operative word.
Speaker 1: Good. I need to see that Whiplash ship though, Oh
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it. It's good.
Speaker 4: It's great that j K.
Speaker 1: Simmons, guys from Missoula. He spoke at my graduation.
Speaker 2: Oh you then you absolutely must see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's a great guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good.
Speaker 1: But in that movie, it's super mean, right, super stern.
Speaker 4: I have a sexual fantasy, Whiplash fantasy that is Miles
Speaker 4: Teller fingering me and then me going not my tempo
Speaker 4: after the mine from the movie.
Speaker 2: Do you have huge guns and a black.
Speaker 4: Yah? And I keep like smacking him in the face.
Speaker 4: Speed it up.
Speaker 2: I kind of love that. Like people were so outraged
Speaker 2: by how.
Speaker 4: Mean he was, and he was very homophobic, like in
Speaker 4: his insults, which made me prickle a little bit sometimes.
Speaker 4: But I was like, no, I mean that is if
Speaker 4: you're going to do your worst, you know, like that's
Speaker 4: what you do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like that's the That kind of
Speaker 3: pressure is good, but negative things when you're trying to
Speaker 3: learn the thing you want to do, having like having it.
Speaker 2: Be really hard is really good. In my opinion.
Speaker 4: I liked what his character said about like, you know
Speaker 4: that if I told you you were good, you would
Speaker 4: never have been great.
Speaker 1: I saw that in the trailer and I agreed with it.
Speaker 1: But he was yelling and it seemed like he was
Speaker 1: about to choke him when he said that. He's very aggressive.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know he's kind of a
Speaker 1: big because to the gymnasium.
Speaker 2: It seems like, oh JK.
Speaker 1: Simmons, Yeah, it tosses around the medicine ball. He's just
Speaker 1: got like one of those old jacked. He's got old
Speaker 1: muscle on him. Yeah, like I used to be jacked,
Speaker 1: but now I'm just.
Speaker 4: He comes off pretty jacked in the movie really yeah,
Speaker 4: as he wears a tight T shirt and you can see.
Speaker 1: That, well, no, I you know, Oh hi, sorry, Oh
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to move, aren't we.
Speaker 3: No, we'll see, We're gonna wait it out.
Speaker 1: Well he would have in that movie. Is it like
Speaker 1: a teaching Is it a high school teacher? He's at
Speaker 1: like a special music.
Speaker 4: School Juilliard type situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, because my sister is a teacher and she
Speaker 1: just got fired for saying bullshit in front of some kids.
Speaker 1: She was I don't fourth grade. I'm not sure I
Speaker 1: should know that she should be teaching high school. That's
Speaker 1: what the union. She got fired. There was one other
Speaker 1: strike that was a Facebook post she made a year ago,
Speaker 1: and they kept that in mind too, because she said
Speaker 1: something about now I know whether they hit their knuckles
Speaker 1: with rulers, I don't. It was a comedic blog like
Speaker 1: post where she said that, and the principal happened to
Speaker 1: be your Facebook friend. Oh you never, So she got
Speaker 1: fire and I'm like, my point is my music teacher
Speaker 1: in high school when I played trombone or and a
Speaker 1: bunch of teachers were so abusive. He threw a pencil
Speaker 1: at my face and it whizzed past my eye, and
Speaker 1: I remember saying, wow, what if that had gone in
Speaker 1: my eye and blinded me? And he got frustrated and
Speaker 1: left the room. That guy worked at that high school.
Speaker 1: He worked there.
Speaker 3: But my high school were fucking lunatics. There was a
Speaker 3: lot of them were drunks. We had a priest that
Speaker 3: was literally schizophrenic. He would the entire theology class. He
Speaker 3: would draw maps on the board of how the Communists
Speaker 3: were taking over San Francisco and none of it, we
Speaker 3: none of us said anything because we didn't have to
Speaker 3: study the Bible as long as he was doing that.
Speaker 2: So we all just like everyone just kept a lid
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 3: And we just knew if we sat there and listened
Speaker 3: to him talk about the Communists taking over, that we
Speaker 3: could just hang out and not have to worry about
Speaker 3: like memorizing stuff.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And that was just like I've actually written out some
Speaker 3: of it because it was so crazy, the amount of
Speaker 3: like kids getting screamed at and all of it that
Speaker 3: like these days.
Speaker 4: Catholic school, Yes, yeah, yeah. Extreme.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. It's like its own little world. But I
Speaker 3: mean these days it's like I think about that all
Speaker 3: the time. Like kids, I think it's good, but at
Speaker 3: the same time, it's like can be so extreme, Like
Speaker 3: they can hear the word bullshit.
Speaker 2: If a teachers a good I.
Speaker 1: Can't believe she got she just got that job too,
Speaker 1: that's why they let her. Oh she hasn't Adam and
Speaker 1: eve Leaf when the kind of cover your generals with Sarah,
Speaker 1: did you go to public school or do you.
Speaker 4: I went to public schools. I lived in an area
Speaker 4: of Virginia that had really good public schools, and then
Speaker 4: in high school, I went to one of the first
Speaker 4: magnet schools charter schools in the country and it was
Speaker 4: in my city and so it was a new trend.
Speaker 1: For older kids.
Speaker 4: I don't know it kind of but it's a yeah.
Speaker 4: It was a school like you had to apply to
Speaker 4: get into it. For like I hate the term gifted
Speaker 4: because it's needlessly.
Speaker 1: Like I was from calling it gifted.
Speaker 4: I am gifted. It was like a gifted thing. And
Speaker 4: it was really great for me because I went from
Speaker 4: a huge county school where I felt alone to like
Speaker 4: a smaller nerd school where I felt way more comfortable,
Speaker 4: like I could be myself and I loved it. I
Speaker 4: loved my high school.
Speaker 1: I'm jealous of anyone that went to that school Emerson
Speaker 1: that I only know of in stories.
Speaker 2: It's like a school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a school for artists and creative people.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but it's a regular You just get a
Speaker 1: degree and you draw and paint and make music and
Speaker 1: comedy and oh.
Speaker 2: Man, you yourself.
Speaker 4: Whatever.
Speaker 2: That school was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, anytime I took a college course with the
Speaker 1: football team, they did have us come up and say
Speaker 1: what do you think you earned? And it would just
Speaker 1: be football players going a and they go all right,
Speaker 1: all right, hey, nice catch the other night.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't like that.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is crazy.
Speaker 4: I got Really I was very hard on myself academically,
Speaker 4: Like I just wanted to be good like at things
Speaker 4: and would try to be not the It wasn't like
Speaker 4: I want to be the best. I've never really had
Speaker 4: that in me, but I wanted to just do my
Speaker 4: best and like I had And I've always thought was
Speaker 4: that my parents that did that to me. But they've
Speaker 4: always been like you were just always like that, just
Speaker 4: your standard for yourself was so high that you would
Speaker 4: just be in constant pain because I and I'm still
Speaker 4: like that. I'm I'm like always like it's not good enough.
Speaker 4: I have to work harder. I have to do that.
Speaker 4: That was a mistake, and I'm really hard on myself.
Speaker 4: So it was in one way I loved my high school,
Speaker 4: and in other ways I just fed into what I already
Speaker 4: you know, my college was like that, or it was
Speaker 4: just I put myself in situations where it's it's probably
Speaker 4: too hard for me. And now if I if I
Speaker 4: think about if I ever have kids, I already have
Speaker 4: this like gut feeling that I just don' I don't
Speaker 4: want them to have to worry about any of it.
Speaker 4: I just would be like, let's just let them go
Speaker 4: to whatever school. Like I'm like people when they're like,
Speaker 4: we got to live in the right neighborhood with the
Speaker 4: good schools, I'm like, now, let's just live in the
Speaker 4: shitty neighborhood where it's more affordable and we can have
Speaker 4: like a nicer house and the kid, the kid'll be fine.
Speaker 4: But I don't know, I have this like I don't
Speaker 4: want my kid to suffer the way I have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if parents can control that. I always
Speaker 1: had their support and everything, but I anguished over I
Speaker 1: was so timid and scared as a kid, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't anything they did. I was just a little It
Speaker 1: was different. I didn't I wasn't motivated to do well.
Speaker 1: I did horrible in school. But I did worry about it,
Speaker 1: though not enough to change things. But I wonder, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I always think that if my parents were like were
Speaker 1: they yelling at me and disappointed with me? Would it
Speaker 1: have lit a fire under my ass? I don't know.
Speaker 4: My dad was pretty hard on me about stuff mine.
Speaker 4: I said some of it came from him.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was a lot of it was
Speaker 4: within me.
Speaker 1: My dads I said, he was just from my town,
Speaker 1: but got his shirts were tight and his punches were hard.
Speaker 3: I literally figured out that everyone at my high school
Speaker 3: was crazy and never did homework the entire time. I
Speaker 3: don't know how I graduated from high school, and it's
Speaker 3: the reason I ended up getting kicked out of college
Speaker 3: because I just never went to class.
Speaker 4: You never did any saying kills.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I didn't know how.
Speaker 3: And our high schools college prep, but I just got
Speaker 3: around everything or like would I would. It was actually
Speaker 3: twice as hard because I was just figuring out, like
Speaker 3: I would just sit there and put it together in
Speaker 3: my mind of like, well, here's the test about the book,
Speaker 3: and this is the question being asked, so this is
Speaker 3: this is probably the answer.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of that I did that.
Speaker 4: I did that a little bit too, because I would
Speaker 4: just be overwhelmed. I would sign up for too much shit, yeah,
Speaker 4: and I would be too busy, and I got I
Speaker 4: was an English major in college, and I got really
Speaker 4: good at writing an essay about a book I hadn't read, Yeah,
Speaker 4: the whole I just read enough. I just knew how
Speaker 4: to do it, and I could skate by because I
Speaker 4: just had too much going on. It wasn't that I
Speaker 4: didn't like that. I was like fuck this. I was
Speaker 4: like just constantly being economical with my time, you know,
Speaker 4: like so that I could go do the fun things
Speaker 4: like being in the comedy group and doing theater and
Speaker 4: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: We didn't have a comedy group where I'm from, so
Speaker 1: I anxiously I just wanted to get college over with.
Speaker 1: And I took the exact amount of credits to fulfill
Speaker 1: my major and to graduate, not one more. I had
Speaker 1: it all mapped out by this guy's like, do you
Speaker 1: you need to take a structural system or what? I
Speaker 1: just and I graduated right on. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: end it. I just want to get it out of
Speaker 1: the way. But I'm glad I did it in retrospect.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I've never shown my degree to a
Speaker 1: single human.
Speaker 3: You should start showing it on stage.
Speaker 4: Before I begin. I just want to show you.
Speaker 2: I need you to put your eyes on this.
Speaker 1: It's called to a Bachelor of Fine Arts, and it
Speaker 1: is fine. It is fine, And I'm a bachelor Ladies
Speaker 1: one piece just with us on the side. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a hot summer.
Speaker 2: H Howard on the back. Oh oh, we always have
Speaker 2: to talk about Howard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Howard Kramer album Admiration Hour.
Speaker 2: We love them.
Speaker 4: We do you do, Sara?
Speaker 3: Do you have anything to plug besides Chrysalist The new
Speaker 3: album coming to you in June?
Speaker 4: No, March seventeenth.
Speaker 2: March seventeenth is Saint Patrick's Day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, celebrate with my album. No. I mean I around town.
Speaker 4: I would say, go to my website Sarah Shaffer dot
Speaker 4: com and check out the calendar. I'm doing a lot
Speaker 4: of colleges. So if you're in college, look to see
Speaker 4: if I'm coming to your car. Oh that's fine, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Good way to make money.
Speaker 4: I'll just that.
Speaker 1: That's a little Induscreese side note.
Speaker 4: Folks, I'm killing it and that's it.
Speaker 1: You're not podcasting anymore.
Speaker 4: No, not not. I had a podcast with Nikki Klazer.
Speaker 4: It's kind of dormant. We're both just been too busy
Speaker 4: and in different.
Speaker 1: Places in the New York person right.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then I had a podcast come out last
Speaker 4: year on w n y C and Nervous, like they
Speaker 4: partnered up for it, and it was like a season thing,
Speaker 4: like wny C does seasons of things, and they are
Speaker 4: very slow to make decisions. So I don't know if
Speaker 4: I'll keep doing it, but you can go look it up.
Speaker 4: It's called Lies and I just interview someone and everything
Speaker 4: they say has to be a lie.
Speaker 1: Oh that's terrific. That's great, and it sounds fun.
Speaker 4: I'm really proud of how it came out. It's really fun.
Speaker 4: So go listen to those episodes. I really liked that
Speaker 4: concept and they're short, they're like fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: Thinking right now, I was gonna say it's no long one.
Speaker 4: No, it's definitely.
Speaker 1: Ours is exactly an hour long. We have seven more
Speaker 1: minutes left of that.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 1: We are going to do a comedy concert in here
Speaker 1: and meltdown. Sarah and I are both on the show.
Speaker 2: I'm going to stand in the back knowingly.
Speaker 4: Well, I love it. Judge be judging it, please judging.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to discourage you. Sarah. Did you
Speaker 1: see on the thing that they it's like an audience participation? What?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I don't email me. I don't.
Speaker 1: I hope that's not what I think. It means that
Speaker 1: the audience will be participating. Do you think that's what
Speaker 1: it means? Those were the two words.
Speaker 4: Sometimes there's a it's fun when you show up to
Speaker 4: a show and they're like, okay, so this is a
Speaker 4: high concept show and you just go out there and
Speaker 4: then you don't have to do any stand up and
Speaker 4: it's just like it was different. But then sometimes the
Speaker 4: concept's not good and then you end up being like,
Speaker 4: why did I fucking.
Speaker 1: Waste my well?
Speaker 4: But I don't remember. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: I trusts. I trust Daniel and Aaron. Yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sure it'll be fun. Hopefully it doesn't mean it's not
Speaker 1: free for all of friendly heckling. That's saying the economy
Speaker 1: what like suggestions, I don't know what it means.
Speaker 3: So it's almost like it's only the only half of
Speaker 3: improv is that there are suggestions, but then suggestions to
Speaker 3: stand ups who don't take suggestions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be great, or you.
Speaker 1: Do a joke and then they pause and just give
Speaker 1: you tip. I would end it with that. I would
Speaker 1: tag it first of all, and just the audience that
Speaker 1: the worst case torture.
Speaker 4: Time talk about Okay, I'll tell you about a show
Speaker 4: that's torture for the comedian but really fun for the audience.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: It's called that seven minutes in Hell, I don't know, no,
Speaker 4: seven minutes in Heaven or something. You do stand up
Speaker 4: in a room to a camera alone, and you have
Speaker 4: headphones on so you can't hear the audience through the wall,
Speaker 4: and then they pipe it into the theater. They do
Speaker 4: it at uc B Franklin, and it was I was
Speaker 4: like I watched some of it from the audience and
Speaker 4: it was really fun. But as a performer, I was like,
Speaker 4: that is not something I ever want to do again.
Speaker 4: I was like, thank you, so much for having me,
Speaker 4: but that was fucking awful for me because it was
Speaker 4: it was the for me. It was the thing on
Speaker 4: my ears that bothered me because I couldn't hear my
Speaker 4: own voice and sound. I felt like I was drunk,
Speaker 4: like because I felt like I was slurring my word.
Speaker 4: It was weird. It was just a sensory like deprivation
Speaker 4: type thing, and you don't know if you're bombing or
Speaker 4: if you're doing well. And to this, like a social
Speaker 4: experiment type show show is cool. I highly recommend going
Speaker 4: to it. But if you're a comedian and you get
Speaker 4: claustrophobic or any kind of weird, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I was like, that was I never know if I'm
Speaker 3: bombing anyway, even if they're right there in front of me.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, this is terrible.
Speaker 4: I do that too, Igo. That was awful, And people go,
Speaker 4: that was great.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 1: I'm very I'm very sensitive to when I'm not doing well.
Speaker 1: I know when it's happening always. You know too, and
Speaker 1: it does set list you guys mentioned it. It is
Speaker 1: horrifying and while you're on stage while when I do it,
Speaker 1: I'm sweating, I feel uncomfortable and I feel like I
Speaker 1: did doing stand up fifteen years ago, and but it is.
Speaker 1: It's good afterwards, it's like this exhilarate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the adrenaline.
Speaker 1: It's so scary.
Speaker 4: I haven't done it yet. I got it's very booked
Speaker 4: on it. And then I had a migraine that day
Speaker 4: and I emailed him and I was like, I really
Speaker 4: don't think I can do this type of show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tonight, right, I can't look at you to be
Speaker 1: quick and you have to be yeah.
Speaker 4: And he was really, he was like, absolutely not, do
Speaker 4: not come.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been booked on that show and haven't done
Speaker 3: it four times really, and almost every time I would
Speaker 3: I think I flaked straight out, just flake flaked two times,
Speaker 3: and then I had two very legitimate reasons the other two.
Speaker 3: But I'm scared to death to do it. Scared to
Speaker 3: death to do it, but I really want to. I
Speaker 3: think it would be fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah it would.
Speaker 3: But around five o'clock every time every day that i'm
Speaker 3: when and I've booked on it that night, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's weird.
Speaker 2: I just don't feel well. This isn't going to work out.
Speaker 4: I gave myself a headache because I was scared you know,
Speaker 4: my body just like went into like survival.
Speaker 2: You're not doing this.
Speaker 1: I do not enjoy doing set lists, but I do
Speaker 1: ask to do it all the time, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I think it's good for me, but it's not enjoyable
Speaker 1: until right when it's done. Yeah, that's all stand up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really don't enjoy it until it's over.
Speaker 3: I really love watching watching it, and I love watching
Speaker 3: people suffer through it. It's so funny how nervous people
Speaker 3: get and how great they do and how on their
Speaker 3: side the audio and it doesn't really matter, like because
Speaker 3: they're just up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think stand up forget how much forgiveness is given
Speaker 4: when you do improv. Yeah, I mean I started out
Speaker 4: in New York trying improv and and did it for
Speaker 4: many years. Well, I did it for like five years,
Speaker 4: and it was I and I was doing stand up
Speaker 4: at the same time, and I would always be like, oh, man,
Speaker 4: improv is like you have so much more forgiveness from
Speaker 4: the audience because they know you're making it up on
Speaker 4: the spot. The laughs are coming easier, but they're but
Speaker 4: there's a different like when you do stand up, you
Speaker 4: just feel so much more satisfaction when you do get
Speaker 4: the laugh because you're in control and you had to
Speaker 4: force it, and you're like getting it out of them
Speaker 4: and bringing it out of them.
Speaker 1: It's a better art.
Speaker 4: In other words, improv sucks and that's why I.
Speaker 1: Well, let's go do whatever that says. I'm a little
Speaker 1: worried about whatever audience participation means.
Speaker 2: Definitely start getting mad about it. Now.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm not I'm going to go in there
Speaker 1: with a rage and treat it like I'm in the
Speaker 1: inside of my car.
Speaker 2: Just blurt, come out screaming guns of blazon.
Speaker 1: I want to just dedicate this episode to Harris Whittles,
Speaker 1: who is a person that I very much loved and
Speaker 1: he's passed away, and so I just want to say
Speaker 1: that he was great and I wanted to mention his
Speaker 1: name and just ended that way.
Speaker 2: Okay, I like it.
Speaker 4: I like that too.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Do You Need a Ride? D y
Speaker 1: n aar. This has been an exactly right production.
Speaker 2: Produced by Annalise Nelson.
Speaker 1: Mixed by Edson Troy.
Speaker 2: Our talent booker is Patrick Cottner.
Speaker 1: Theme song by Karen Kilgarrett.
Speaker 2: Artwork by Chris Fairbanks.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, ooh, you're welcome.