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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay, Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 1: Monday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 1: kicks off right now, and it's going to be a doozy,

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Speaker 1: I can assure you.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Quite a weekend of news and so much to dive

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Speaker 1: into with all of you today. Oh boy, just to

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Speaker 1: get right to it. The diagnosis of Biden's cancer came

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Speaker 1: out yesterday. We shall discuss this. There's obviously a lot

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Speaker 1: that a lot of questions that this raises.

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Speaker 2: Yes, of course, cancer is terrible. We wish everyone the.

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Speaker 1: Best in their fight against that horrible disease, including of

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Speaker 1: course Joe Biden, a former president of this country. But

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have questions about whether the dementia

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Speaker 1: diagnosis that was hidden was also part of a broader

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Speaker 1: plan to hide a cancer diagnosis along with it. And

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Speaker 1: we will bring to you the evidence on this, the

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Speaker 1: case such as it exists. And we've got doctor Nicole

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Speaker 1: Sapphire newly added. Thankfully, we got a doctor in the house,

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Speaker 1: Clay newly added to the Clay and Buck podcast network,

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Speaker 1: so she shall be with us in the third hour

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Speaker 1: to talk specifically about the probability, the likelihood, the reality

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Speaker 1: of whether someone who probably who most likely had the

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Speaker 1: best medical care on the planet could have gone until

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Speaker 1: this moment without anyone noticing anything might have been amiss

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Speaker 1: with respect to it's with the possibility of prostate cancer.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna We're gonna dive into all of this.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a massive story because of the implications. And

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Speaker 1: you can tell that the media I don't think has

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Speaker 1: really processed yet that their old approach of how dare.

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Speaker 2: You or you're not allowed to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: You don't get to do that with a cancer diagnosis

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Speaker 1: when you just told us that you did it with

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Speaker 1: a dementia diagnosis. So that's not going to work. And

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Speaker 1: we are going to discuss this again. Cancer is terrible.

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Speaker 1: We want everyone to be cancer, including Joe Biden. We're

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Speaker 1: not talking about that other than wishing them well and

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Speaker 1: thoughts and prayers. We're talking about when was this known

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Speaker 1: by the government, Because the health of the president is

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Speaker 1: actually a matter of public concern, it is something all

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Speaker 1: of us get to know about, and we will discuss this.

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Speaker 1: They also released audio of Robert Hur's twenty twenty three

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Speaker 1: interview with Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: It is I think worse.

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Speaker 1: Than any of you could have imagined at the time,

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Speaker 1: or that any of us could have thought maybe as bad,

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Speaker 1: and we have some of that to share with you.

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Speaker 1: This was absolutely a cover up. They absolutely knew that

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Speaker 1: he was not of sound mind to do the job.

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Speaker 1: This is somebody that they had signing laws, signing pardons

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Speaker 1: and carrying around or rather having the nuclear codes carried

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Speaker 1: around for him. It is a very big deal, and

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Speaker 1: we've got that. We've also got the big, beautiful bill

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Speaker 1: to discuss today. Senator Ron Johnson Clay, you will not

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Speaker 1: be surprised, but will be pleased to know that he

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Speaker 1: was listening Friday right after you ducked out, and I

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Senator, you're the senator working on it. Let's

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Speaker 1: also a very big deal. And he had a Trump

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Speaker 1: putin phone call this morning, so I mean, so much news.

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Speaker 1: So we're really excited to spend this time with you

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Speaker 1: and break it all down and make it all makes sense. Also,

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Speaker 1: that Supreme Court ruling Friday Clay seven to two to

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Speaker 1: enjoin the government from some summarily deporting alleged gang members

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Speaker 1: on the Alien Enemies Act. We can discuss that, but

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Speaker 1: usually that might be a first hour top of show

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Speaker 1: the Biden thing. I can tell from Twitter already you

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Speaker 1: and I separately came to the same conclusion here, which

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Speaker 1: is that the likelihood that this cancer dogmember everyone I

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Speaker 1: have family member who have dealt with prostate cancer recently,

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Speaker 1: huge percentage of American men get to a certain age

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Speaker 1: and they will deal with prostate cancer. So this is

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Speaker 1: not some cancer that people aren't familiar with. Here's what

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Speaker 2: Very very slow, which is a good thing.

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Speaker 1: The notion that Biden just found out about this is

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Speaker 2: I'll just put it that way. Some of you, I know,

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Speaker 1: Beyond that, though, Clay, it seems to me and this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the larger context. Obviously that fell

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Speaker 3: But let's just go to the cancer itself, and I

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Speaker 3: echo that everybody hates cancer, all right, don't allow yourself

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Speaker 3: to be in some way. David Axelrod put out a

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Speaker 3: of this. Well, we can't talk about medical relations with Biden,

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Speaker 3: he got cancer and we all need to feel sorry

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Speaker 3: and sympathy for him. Look, everybody hates cancer. Everybody wishes

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Speaker 3: that cancer could be eradicated. Everybody wishes that every single

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Speaker 2: So let's put that.

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Speaker 1: Off to we are solidly anti cancer across the board

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Speaker 3: No one hates cancer more than this show. So let's

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Speaker 3: leave that on the side. Let's get away with the

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Speaker 3: stupid sort of platitudes, all right. I don't believe that

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Speaker 3: they found out on Friday that Joe Biden has stage

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there have been many others.

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Speaker 3: I'm not claiming that I've seen every doctor analysis so far.

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Speaker 3: We will have our own doctor, Nicole Safire on the

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Speaker 3: program with us to discuss with all of you. During

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Speaker 3: the course of this program. The Robert her tapes come

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Speaker 3: out on Friday. They are devastating for Biden. We will

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Speaker 3: play them for you that previously the White House. You

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Speaker 3: to the biggest cover up related to health that any

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Speaker 3: this is the biggest health related condition that we have

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Speaker 1: Can I throw something of the knicks there? This is

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Speaker 1: worse clay because it would be very easy for people

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Speaker 1: So this cover up, I would just argue, is far

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Speaker 3: So I don't buy it. And I put up a

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Speaker 3: poll question. I said for anybody out there, you can

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Speaker 3: If you disagree with me, you can go vote in this.

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Speaker 3: Ninety eight percent of you do not believe that Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden got this cancer diagnosis on Friday, according to my

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Speaker 3: overwhelming majorities of Republicans, Democrats, and independents now do not

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Speaker 3: the idea, frankly, that they found out on Friday is

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Speaker 3: more likely Biden ran for president knowing he had this

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Speaker 3: And I think, possibly Buck, this could go all the

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Speaker 3: way back to one of the reasons why Barack Obama

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Speaker 3: decided to pick Hillary Clinton is they knew Biden wasn't

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Speaker 3: of a sound mind. Maybe also they were aware that

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Speaker 3: saying it is improbable, it is almost impossible for this

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Speaker 3: that's right there. If Joe Biden gets a sneeze, he

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Speaker 3: The notion that this wouldn't have been known until now.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so they're asking you to accept, let's just

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Speaker 1: Us all to believe that this came out right at

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Speaker 1: the single most advantageous time for them to try to

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Speaker 1: sorry the blow of the massive line the cover up,

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Speaker 1: they just did a whole cover up of dementia, which

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Speaker 1: is also an extremely serious medical condition, and they knew,

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Speaker 1: So you know, for me, once, as Bush said, can't

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Speaker 1: feel that way. Let's play cut five because This is

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Speaker 1: Your Boy Joe Scarborough Show. This is doctor Zeke Emmanuel.

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Speaker 1: Democrat Ram Emmanuel's brother. Also Ari Emmanuel's brother, one of

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Speaker 1: the trio of highly successful Emmanuel br He said he

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Speaker 1: thinks Biden had cancer while he was president. He didn't

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Speaker 1: develop it in the last one hundred or two hundred days.

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Speaker 4: Would it be fair to say it's likely to have

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Speaker 4: had this for at least several years?

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Speaker 2: Oh more than several years. You don't get prostitutions.

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Speaker 4: Again, I just want to stop you, so yours, this

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Speaker 4: is this is not speculation. If you have prostate cancer

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Speaker 4: that has spread to the bone, then he's most certainly

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Speaker 4: you were saying, had it when he was president of

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he did not develop it in the last

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Speaker 5: one hundred two hundred days.

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Speaker 2: He had it while he was president.

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Speaker 6: He probably had it at the start of his presidency in.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 6: Yes, that I don't think there's any disagreement about that.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton show. So many

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Speaker 5: First of all, thanks for having me on. As I

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Speaker 5: one big step, because if we do that, we won't

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Speaker 5: come back and we will blow in our once in

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Speaker 5: a lifetime opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Well, Senator Johnson, appreciate you being with us as always.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I guess just there's a frustration that I

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Speaker 1: think I have, and I'm sure I'm not alone here,

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Speaker 1: which is that you are telling us all of this

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Speaker 1: and everything that you are saying makes sense and certainly

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Speaker 1: is along with what we have been told needs to

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Speaker 1: happen numerically mathematically like this is. And that's I think

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Speaker 1: at the heart of doge and at the heart of

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Speaker 1: a big part of what was promised with this new

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Speaker 1: administration would be we're gonna we're gonna tackle this and

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Speaker 1: do what is necessary based on the numbers, so that

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Speaker 1: we don't head off of a of a fiscal cliff.

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Speaker 1: And yet you know, the White House I was watching

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Speaker 1: this morning the press conference. What House seems to love

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Speaker 1: the bill, thinks it's a huge step forward and it's fantastic. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have to ask the where's the disconnect here?

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Speaker 1: And how is it that? Is it possible? You're telling

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Speaker 1: us the work's not being done, the cuts aren't being made,

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Speaker 1: and there's far too much of a debt increase here. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: the White House and certainly a lot of other Republicans

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Speaker 1: are saying, this is amazing, this is moving us forward.

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Speaker 1: Like where is the uh, you know, just where is

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Speaker 1: that disconnect? Explain to me how that's possible.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's the industry rhetoric and reality. So the reality

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Speaker 5: is that the House says, oh, we're gonna cut one

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Speaker 5: point five tillion. Sounds like a lot, but that's one

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Speaker 5: hundred and fifty billion. That take us from over seven

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Speaker 5: trillion to just under seven trillion dollars. Okay, I don't

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Speaker 5: I know that the people that voted for Trump wanted

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Speaker 5: to defeat the deep state, defeat the deep state by

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Speaker 5: funding it at Biden's levels. So again, the numbers just

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Speaker 5: don't add up, according to CBO, will add twenty two

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Speaker 5: trillion dollars to the dead the next ten years. That's

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Speaker 5: two point two trillion dollars per year of death to spending.

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Speaker 5: And we're going to add to that with a big, new,

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Speaker 5: beautiful bill. So again that is the reality. The other

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Speaker 5: stuff is all rhetoric. Washington runs on rhetoric. That's why

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Speaker 5: we're thirty seven trillion dollars in debt. And this is

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Speaker 5: the way it's always done. You know, package everything into

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Speaker 5: some really big bill, so that you force people who

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Speaker 5: don't want to automatic tax increase, who don't want to

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Speaker 5: see it default on the debt, to vote for something

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Speaker 5: that is completely inadequate. And that's how you force it through.

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Speaker 5: So you break it up. You do it in the

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Speaker 5: things that we at first agree on the border defense,

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Speaker 5: Take as many spending reductions as the House has already identified,

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Speaker 5: bank that, you know, extend the current tax law, give

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Speaker 5: give Preston Trump a smaller increase in death ceiling. Then

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Speaker 5: you can come back. There's there's plenty of reasons to

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Speaker 5: come back. You know President Trump's tax priorities. We're going

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Speaker 5: to have to come back because the death ceiling hasn't been.

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Speaker 7: Raised for years.

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Speaker 5: By the way, just just extend the deat ceiling into

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Speaker 5: the beginning of next year will probably require something like

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Speaker 5: two and a half to three trillion dollars. Bet out

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Speaker 5: a shock, everybody. We have to stop whistling by the graveyard.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 3: We're talking to Senator Ron Johnson and Wisconsin. You're a

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Speaker 3: business guy, and unfortunately there are not that many business

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Speaker 3: guys and in in Congress in general, certainly almost none

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Speaker 3: on the on the Democrat side. What do you expect

501
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Speaker 3: to see? We're at thirty seven thirty eight trillion dollar

502
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Speaker 3: national debt right now. If as these numbers continue to go,

503
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Speaker 3: we're talking about seventy five one hundred trillion dollars in

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Speaker 3: the next generation. I don't think those are crazy numbers.

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Speaker 3: The debt becomes a higher and higher part. Paying interest

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Speaker 3: on the debt becomes a higher and higher part, to

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Speaker 3: say nothing of Social Security, medicare all of those things.

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Speaker 3: At what point does this air of you can always

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Speaker 3: keep borrowing?

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Speaker 1: Do we run into a wall? Are we already there?

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Speaker 1: And is that one of the lessons the bond market

512
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Speaker 1: is giving us. This is getting in the weeds a

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Speaker 1: little bit, But you know, where it really hits people

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Speaker 1: is you can't get a low rate on your mortgage,

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Speaker 1: your insurance rates, your interest rates on cars, and on

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Speaker 1: your credit cards. I mean, it's just not coming back

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Speaker 1: down like maybe we thought it would.

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Speaker 5: Well, the fact that dollary held in twenty nineteen is

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Speaker 5: only worth eighty cents, Yeah, that's really an indication of

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Speaker 5: you know, not quite as noticeable of a debt crisis.

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Speaker 5: But I mean the real danger is when the US

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Speaker 5: dallas no longer the world's reserve currency, and you know,

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Speaker 5: the brick countries are trying to replace the dollar as

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Speaker 5: the reserve currency. More and more global trade is being

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Speaker 5: done in those currencies. And why is that important Is

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Speaker 5: if we're not the world's reserve currency, if we just

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Speaker 5: can't keep pretty money, we're else in saidden going to

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Speaker 5: be subject to global debt markets. And again, it's not

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Speaker 5: a good sign that Moody's now's the third creating credit

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Speaker 5: agency that's downgraded our credit rating. That that's not a

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Speaker 5: good sign that that ought to weight people up. But

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Speaker 5: when that happens, all of a sudden, credits are out.

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Speaker 7: Of the world.

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Speaker 5: Go yeah, I want some more money, but not at

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Speaker 5: that interest rate. We've already got interest now exceeding a

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Speaker 5: trillion dollars a year, but more than we spent out

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Speaker 5: of defense over the next ten years, about fourteen trillion

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Speaker 5: dollars just interest on the debt of the eighty nine

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Speaker 5: trillion dollars I'm going to spend. Fourteen trillion is just

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Speaker 5: on interest. It buys nothing. It's just paying off irresponsible

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Speaker 5: government basically.

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Speaker 2: Is there?

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Speaker 1: You know, I know you you senate types don't like

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Speaker 1: to name names among your colleagues, especially on your own side.

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Speaker 1: But Senator Johnson, I, just as you're telling us that

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Speaker 1: you're laying this out, are the Senate Republicans who don't care,

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Speaker 1: it seems, about what you're laying out, unaware of it,

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Speaker 1: or do they just like to make sure all the

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Speaker 1: piggies stay at the and it's not their problem.

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Speaker 5: So three years ago, when we were debating onto the

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Speaker 5: spending bill, I asked my Senate college, Hey, anybody know

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Speaker 5: how much we spent in total last year?

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Speaker 7: Nobody answered.

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Speaker 5: I went out to the Washington Press Corps asked them

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Speaker 5: the same questions. Somebody, well, it's over a trillion dollars

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Speaker 5: and that's just discretionary spend. That's only twenty five per

557
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Speaker 5: cent of our budget. Nobody knew because we never talk

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Speaker 5: about it. Okay, we're the largest financial entity in the world.

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Speaker 5: We're supposedly the five hundred and thirty five members of

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Speaker 5: the Board of directors, and nobody knew in total how

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Speaker 5: much we spend. Again, we never discussed it. We only

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Speaker 5: appropriate the twenty five.

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Speaker 7: Cent of the budget.

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Speaker 5: Everything else is on automatic pilot. And by the way,

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Speaker 5: that's one of the devioust things that the Unit Party

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Speaker 5: has done. They've shifted what should be discretionary spending into

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Speaker 5: other mandatory.

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Speaker 7: When I talked about and this is something.

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Speaker 5: Else I had to reveal, and I'm providing all this

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Speaker 5: information my colleagues. Now, we went from six hundred and

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Speaker 5: forty two billion dollars of other mandatory, not social security,

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Speaker 5: not medicaid, not even medicaid, from about six forty two

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Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen up to about one point three trillion.

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Speaker 7: Dollars two years ago.

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Speaker 5: It's still over trillion dollars now, just in that alone,

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Speaker 5: you take a look at how much we increase spending

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Speaker 5: above and beyond twenty nineteen plus up for inflation and

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Speaker 5: population growth.

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Speaker 7: That be a reasonable control.

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Speaker 5: Right, there's literally hundreds of billions of dollars that we've

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Speaker 5: increased spending beyond that control. So that's why I have

582
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Speaker 5: to go line by line. That's how you do it.

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Speaker 5: In business, you have a budget review panel. That's why

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Speaker 5: I propose centers, House members, members of MB bring up

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Speaker 5: these department heads with.

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Speaker 7: Their budget gurus. Go line by line, justify this.

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Speaker 5: Why is this spending line so much more about twenty

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Speaker 5: nineteen level inflation and population goes? Yet you have to

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Speaker 5: do the work dose you're shown us and by the way,

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Speaker 5: the point being made that has to be made, it's great.

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Speaker 5: I mean I love what dose is done. It's identified,

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Speaker 5: its exposed it. It's also exposed how clue and oblivious

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Speaker 5: Hamas is to the ways Ford abuse. But how do

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Speaker 5: we bank those? How do we codify it? We haven't

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Speaker 5: gotten the recision package.

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Speaker 7: This mystery.

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Speaker 5: Yet they've talked about a nine billion one. Apparently that's

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Speaker 5: already been tanked because we haven't got it. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you have to at some point in time codify what

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Speaker 5: DOGE is identifying in their website got turned into law

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Speaker 5: if you got to end the spending and we're not

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Speaker 5: doing it.

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Speaker 3: Senator Ron Johnson, we appreciate you. You always have an

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Speaker 3: open forum here with our audience. They love you, We

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Speaker 3: appreciate the work you're doing. Thank you for filling us in.

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Speaker 7: Thanks for the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Take care for sure.

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Speaker 3: I love sener Ron Johnson because that whole discussion Buck,

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Speaker 3: I even started to smile laugh a little bit to myself.

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Speaker 3: I'm just picturing Ron Johnson being like, this is what

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Speaker 3: it would be like if you were his kid and

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Speaker 3: you came home and the credit card bill was not

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Speaker 3: in any way defensible. Right, kid goes off to college

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Speaker 3: and dad looks at the credit card bill is just

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Speaker 3: going line by line, just utterly disgusted. You spent this

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Speaker 3: on an uber what you couldn't have gotten pizza cheaper

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Speaker 3: than this?

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Speaker 5: Like it is.

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Speaker 3: It is just the ultimate American dad budget analysis. And

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Speaker 3: you know what, he's right about virtually everything he's saying,

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Speaker 3: as your dad was often right when he was going

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Speaker 3: of Arizona. It's gonna be a major battleground as it

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Speaker 3: always has been. The past several cycles, but certainly in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six opportunity to replace the governor. There big

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Speaker 3: battle going on over who the representative will be.

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Speaker 2: And wanting to go to d C.

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Speaker 3: Friend of the show, Jay Feely, Arizona's fifth congressional district.

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Speaker 3: Jay Feely, many of you know, played in the NFL

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Speaker 3: fourteen years, has been also ten years as an NFL

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Speaker 3: analyst with CBS. And what's this status prequel stat Pat

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Speaker 3: Summerol is the only kicker to be in the broadcast

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Speaker 7: Is that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, everybody knows Pat Summerol as the legendary co

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Speaker 3: host of John Madden back in the day, but also

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Speaker 3: a lot of people don't realize this Pat Summerol father

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Speaker 3: of Susie Wiles, who is now the chief of staff

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Speaker 3: in Trump administration two point zero.

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Speaker 2: Tying it all together there for.

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Speaker 8: You, Jay, Yeah, just an honor to be even mentioned

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Speaker 8: with Pat Summerl because he is such a legend and

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Speaker 8: you know, very cool to see what Susie is doing

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Speaker 8: with President Trump and how respected she is. You know,

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Speaker 8: We've gotten to know each other couple times with Saint Jude,

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Speaker 8: because I've done a lot with Saint Jude. I had

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Speaker 8: a niece of mine who has gone twice to Saint

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Speaker 8: Jude Hospital to have.

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Speaker 7: Surgery on her.

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Speaker 8: Cancer, and they were amazing to her, and so I've

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Speaker 8: supported them, and Susie has as well. So they give

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Speaker 8: away the Pat Summerle Award every year. But excited for

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Speaker 8: my opportunity to run for office, I just felt like

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Speaker 8: this was the time I had said no for a

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Speaker 8: few years, and.

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Speaker 5: To be honest and candidate. I love my job.

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Speaker 8: I love doing NFL games and calling games and being

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Speaker 8: in the booth and getting to do all the production

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Speaker 8: meetings and sit down with coaches and players and work

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Speaker 8: for five months and then having seven months off. But

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Speaker 8: really felt called my wife and I did that this

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Speaker 8: was the time for us to serve our country.

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Speaker 1: Jay, thank you for being on the show, and appreciate

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Speaker 1: that you've decided that you are or you have been

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Speaker 1: called perhaps a better way of putting it, to put

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Speaker 1: your hat in the ring to be a member of

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Speaker 1: our illustrious well congress. Some days it's illustrious, some days

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Speaker 1: we feel like it's letting us down a little bit.

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Speaker 1: We know you'll do a great job if you get there.

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Speaker 1: And it's all looking good for you in that respect

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Speaker 1: so far. How do you feel, where do you fit

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Speaker 1: in or what's your I'll put it this way, what

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Speaker 1: is your relationship to Maga Jay and the movement that

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Speaker 1: has become really the leadership, the tip of the spear

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Speaker 1: for the Republican Party.

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Speaker 8: Well, I've supported President Trump for a long time, ever

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Speaker 8: since he first ran for office. We got to know

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Speaker 8: each other when I was with the Jets, playing for

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Speaker 8: the Jets and he wasn't running for office at himself.

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Speaker 8: We were just doing some charity events together with his foundation,

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Speaker 8: and you know, I really was impressed with just who

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Speaker 8: he was and his willingness to serve. He didn't have

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Speaker 8: to run for office. You know, he's wealthy and rich

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Speaker 8: and famous and doing his TV shows, and he decided

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Speaker 8: that he wanted to try to make this country better,

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Speaker 8: similar to what I feel, and I think, you know,

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Speaker 8: the things that we believe in economically, free markets and

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Speaker 8: left taxes and equombortunity and limited government, the need to

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Speaker 8: balance the budget. You know, those are all things that

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Speaker 8: I want to try to do and be an advocate

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Speaker 8: for in Congress.

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Speaker 3: Jay, I'm curious in your experience Trump one point zho

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Speaker 3: you said you were a Trump guy. It was the

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Speaker 3: case that if you were in sports media, people wanted

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Speaker 3: you to keep your head down and not acknowledge that

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Speaker 3: you were a Trump guy. Trump two point zero. Now

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00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: Politico has got a huge story about it. Today, the

718
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: sports world loves Trump. What do you think has changed.

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Speaker 3: Do you think it's just a function of people are

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Speaker 3: being more honest now? Do you think it was the

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Speaker 3: Biden term was so bad? You've been a Trump guy

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Speaker 3: for a while. What's different as it pertains to the culture,

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Speaker 3: whether it's Christian, pulistic John Jones, the cheering at the

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl? What is going on that sports fans and

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Speaker 3: Trump are now in love with each other.

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Speaker 8: I think you kind of hit the nail on the

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Speaker 8: heads there. I think part of it was he was

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Speaker 8: labeled to race this when he was running, you know,

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Speaker 8: in twenty sixteen. But I think when you look at

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Speaker 8: his administrations and Biden's administration and the differences and what

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Speaker 8: happened to our country. I think people got frustrated with

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Speaker 8: COVID when we lost our liberties. I think they saw

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Speaker 8: the hypocrisy of the Democratic Party when you had the

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Speaker 8: BLM riots and the response to destruction of people's property

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Speaker 8: in their businesses and murders. I think when you look

736
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Speaker 8: at the DEI policies and the transgender policies and guys

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Speaker 8: playing in girls' sports, I think people have rejected.

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Speaker 3: That let me let me cut you off there for

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Speaker 3: a sec because I think as the locker room guy,

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Speaker 3: I had this. We had this conversation with the HUD

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Speaker 3: secretary last week, and I think it's important. What percentage

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Speaker 3: of NFL players, current and past do you think believe

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Speaker 3: that men should be able to compete against women.

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Speaker 7: I would say it's under five percent.

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Speaker 8: I think it's a very very low number. I think

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Speaker 8: anybody who has a sister and watch their sisters play sports,

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Speaker 8: or myself with my daughter. So the reason I got

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Speaker 8: in there to coaching, Like there was not a girls

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Speaker 8: soccer team at the high school that my daughter was

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Speaker 8: going to go to, and I said, well, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 8: We have to have a girl soccer team. And they

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Speaker 8: were like, well, we need a coach, and I said, well,

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Speaker 8: I'll coach the team, you know, and to provide that opportunity.

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Speaker 8: I love what sports does to develop discipline and toughness

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Speaker 8: and camaraderie and fighting for something that's greater than yourself.

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Speaker 8: Those are all lessons that you learn in sports to

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Speaker 8: carry on the rest of your lives. And I never

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Speaker 8: want to see a girl not have an opportunity because

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Speaker 8: some guy decides I want to take my physical and

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Speaker 8: biological advantages and go play a sport that I know

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Speaker 8: that physically i'm better, or you know. I'll give you

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Speaker 8: another example, like we would play because I wanted our

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Speaker 8: girls to win a state championship. So we're going to

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Speaker 8: practice against our guys team that was really good.

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Speaker 5: But I would sit down beforehand.

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Speaker 8: With the guys coach and all the players on the

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Speaker 8: guys team and be like, listen, you can't go in

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Speaker 8: for tackles full speed against our girls. I don't want

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Speaker 8: somebody to getting hurt in this practice. I want your

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Speaker 8: speed and your power to stress them and to push them,

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Speaker 8: but I don't want them getting injured. And that's the

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Speaker 8: kind of situation they create when you have girls competing

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Speaker 8: against our guys, competing names girls in a physical sport.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely, Jay, I'm wondering I've never actually, I

775
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Speaker 1: don't think I've ever gotten to talk to an NFL

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Speaker 1: kicker before.

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Speaker 2: Certainly not one of your stature.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm sort of and I'm a very casual observer

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Speaker 1: of professional sports. I'm not at Clay level where it

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Speaker 1: is a life's passion, not by a log shot, but

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Speaker 1: I do wonder and knowing what I know about this,

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Speaker 1: and having actually beaten most of the Amherst College men's

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Speaker 1: football team at Madden, because I was good at video

784
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Speaker 1: games and we would have tournaments when I was in college,

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Speaker 1: and you were a fantastic kicker. That's what I remember.

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Speaker 1: I probably want some money off some of my friends

787
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Speaker 1: thanks to your leg. Is being a kicker in the

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Speaker 1: NFL the greatest job in the NFL or the most

789
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Speaker 1: stressful job in the NFL? Because on the one hand,

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Speaker 1: I think you get to make great money, right, and

791
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: this stuff is all pretty well known. You make great

792
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Speaker 1: money as a professional athlete and you get to put

793
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Speaker 1: points on the board and the team has to love you.

794
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Speaker 1: But also like if you hit the upright and you

795
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Speaker 1: don't get it, it might be a lonely ride back

796
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Speaker 1: on the bus.

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Speaker 2: Like how should one think about that?

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Speaker 8: Well, I would say punter is a better job than kicker,

799
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Speaker 8: because if you have four out of five good punts

800
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 8: at a game, you're gonna have a good game. It's

801
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 8: okay if you didn't have one great punt as long

802
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 8: as they don't return it for a touchdown. Whereas kicking,

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Speaker 8: you know, you can only miss three or four kicks

804
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Speaker 8: in a year to have a good year where they're

805
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Speaker 8: not going to look at replacing you, and those kicks

806
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 8: be game winning kicks, Like you can't come in and

807
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Speaker 8: miss a couple of game winners and a team and

808
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 8: a fan base not think about replacing you. And that's

809
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Speaker 8: kind of the reality of kicking. You have to be

810
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Speaker 8: able to handle pressure, and you have to be able

811
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Speaker 8: to handle failure, you know. And that was probably my

812
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 8: greatest attribute. I wasn't I couldn't kick it the farthest.

813
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Speaker 8: I wasn't the best, I wasn't the most accurate, but

814
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Speaker 8: I could handle failure and it didn't defeat me, didn't

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Speaker 8: break me going forward, you know. And when I got

816
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Speaker 8: to the point in my career where I was like, okay,

817
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 8: I failed as bad as I could fail. Saturday Night

818
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 8: Live did a spoof about me called the Jay Feeley

819
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Speaker 8: Story The Long Ride Home, and it didn't break me.

820
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Speaker 8: That allowed me to be a lot better because I

821
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Speaker 8: started losing some of that fear of failure and just

822
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Speaker 8: having fun out there. And then the next nine years

823
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Speaker 8: after that skit, I didn't miss another game winner.

824
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Speaker 2: What is it like as a kicker to be mocked

825
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Speaker 2: on Saturday Night Live? I didn't know that. I had

826
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Speaker 2: no idea about that either. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So I missed three game winners with the Giants out

828
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Speaker 8: in Seattle late in the season, one at the end

829
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Speaker 8: of the game too, and overtime, obviously the worst game

830
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Speaker 8: of my career. And you know, the next next week,

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Speaker 8: I'm getting ready to We're going to play Philadelphia Saturday night.

832
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Speaker 8: I'm trying to go to sleep. I'm trying not to

833
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Speaker 8: lose my job. The next day and I get a

834
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Speaker 8: bunch of text message and they're like, dude, they're killing

835
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Speaker 8: you on Saturday Live right now. And of course I

836
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Speaker 8: didn't look at it or watch it. Go play the game.

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Speaker 5: The next day at Philadelphia, we go.

838
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Speaker 8: To overtime again, I got a game winner again, and

839
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Speaker 8: they call time out to ice me, and they play

840
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Speaker 8: a montage of my misses on the jumbo tron in

841
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 8: the stadium from the from the game where I missed

842
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 8: all the game winners, and you're sitting there, And that's

843
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 8: where mental discipline comes in, because you can't let your

844
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 8: mind wander. You know, if you miss this kick, you're

845
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 8: probably gonna lose your job, your kids are going to

846
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 8: have to change schools, You're gonna have to sell the

847
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 8: house and move. You don't know if you'll ever have

848
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 8: a job in the NFL again. But you can't let

849
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Speaker 8: your mind think about those things. You have to discipline

850
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 8: it to not allow it to wander, to either think

851
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 8: about the positive implications or the negative implications. And I

852
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 8: think that's the challenge with kicking. Its why you see

853
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 8: guys that are really good one year and then have

854
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 8: a really bad miss and then can never do it again.

855
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:47,959
Speaker 2: Did you make the kick?

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Speaker 8: Of course I played for nine more years if I missed.

857
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, but you made You made that kick?

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00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 3: Is that still allowed to this is a great guy.

860
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Speaker 3: I didn't know this backstory?

861
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Speaker 2: This is? Is it still?

862
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: Is it allowed in the NFL to show negative highlights

863
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: still on the jumbo tron? Like I don't remember seeing

864
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 3: a montage of kicker missus obvious season ticket holder. Is

865
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Speaker 3: that still allowed today or has that been this? I've

866
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Speaker 3: never even heard of that.

867
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Speaker 8: So the Meryra family was not happy after that game.

868
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Speaker 8: I know they went to the NFL and complained about

869
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Speaker 8: it because you kind of you take that in your

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00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 8: strap late say, think of all the things you could

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Speaker 8: put up on a jumble tron during a game.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, totally.

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Speaker 8: The opposing player is you know mine?

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Speaker 1: You know you can put on I would I would

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Speaker 1: say that falls into a category of actually bad sportsmanship.

876
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Speaker 1: I don't even I don't think that's all in good fun.

877
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Speaker 1: I think it's bad sportsmanship.

878
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Speaker 5: What's the city of brotherly love?

879
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 7: So what do you expect?

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Speaker 2: Oh is Philly? Yeah?

881
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Speaker 1: Okay, well you know they do have that courthouse under

882
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Speaker 1: the stadium, right, so I.

883
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Speaker 3: Bet I bet that made the winning kick after they

884
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Speaker 3: did that unbelievably uh joyful for you in that celebration.

885
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Speaker 1: Would you always know, Jay, when you kicked? Would you

886
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: always know like the second you made contact? You know,

887
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: obviously there's like a couple of seconds where it's where

888
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: it's airborne, right, Would you know every time you hit it,

889
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: I got it or I didn't.

890
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 8: Pretty much as soon as you make contact, you know,

891
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 8: if that ball is starting where you want there were

892
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 8: you know, there's a couple of times with win. Like

893
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 8: the first kick in that game I was talking about

894
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 8: where I missed a game winner. I hit it exactly

895
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 8: where I wanted in Seattle. I thought the wind was

896
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 8: going to bring it back right, and it shifted and

897
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 8: it brought it left, and you missed by you know,

898
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Speaker 8: a little bit. But for the most part, you know,

899
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Speaker 8: when you hit, it's like a golfer. You kind of

900
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 8: know the ball comes off, you know, Okay, I hit

901
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 8: that one.

902
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: Well, was the best kick you ever made?

903
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Speaker 8: The most important kick I ever made was probably in

904
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 8: high school in the state semi finals. I had a

905
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 8: game winner at the end of the game, and I

906
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 8: make that kick, you know, and we go on to

907
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 8: the state finals. And for me, that was when I

908
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 8: first started thinking about doing kicking as a career.

909
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Speaker 5: I was a soccer player.

910
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 8: I kind of played everything growing up until that moment,

911
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 8: you know, I never really looked at kicking as something

912
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Speaker 8: I wanted to do, you know. And then that kick

913
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 8: led to me going to college at Michigan, and then

914
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Speaker 8: getting into the NFL, and then broadcasting for ten years

915
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Speaker 8: and not running for office. I kind of feel like

916
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 8: that kick started the journey for me. Over the next

917
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Speaker 8: quarter of a century.

918
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Speaker 2: Very cool.

919
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Speaker 3: All right, how do people if they want to support

920
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Speaker 3: you in Arizona's fifth, what should they know and what

921
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 3: should they do?

922
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 8: Well? They should know the first of all, I'm a

923
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Speaker 8: fighter and I'm not afraid to stand up for my beliefs.

924
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 8: You know, working in broadcast media for a major network

925
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Speaker 8: like CBS like people didn't like that you would talk

926
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Speaker 8: about your support of Republicans, conservatives, and especially Trump, and

927
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 8: I was never afraid to do that. I would post

928
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 8: pictures when he and I would get together and play golf,

929
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 8: and I would be called into the principal's office all

930
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Speaker 8: the time for doing that. And my perspective always was, listen,

931
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Speaker 8: you're not going to do that if I'm posting something

932
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 8: that's liberal, So don't do it if I post something

933
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Speaker 8: that's conservative. But I think people should know that I'm

934
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Speaker 8: going to stand up and be an advocate for conservative

935
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 8: principles and the America First policy. You can go to

936
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Speaker 8: j Feely Forcongress dot com sign my petition if you

937
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Speaker 8: live in the district, or you can support us financially.

938
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Speaker 8: But more than anything, I just want to be somebody

939
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Speaker 8: who is willing to talk about their beliefs and do

940
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Speaker 8: it in a compassionate way and be able to advocate

941
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Speaker 8: for Republicans and conservative causes. And you know, we're going

942
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Speaker 8: to have a fight in twenty twenty six to keep

943
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Speaker 8: the House in the Senate, and I want to be

944
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Speaker 8: part of that fight.

945
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Speaker 7: Jay.

946
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Speaker 3: One thing people may not know about you, Tom Brady

947
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 3: teammate at the University of Michigan.

948
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Speaker 2: Quickly on your way out. What's Brady like?

949
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Speaker 8: He is the most compassionate dude, you know. I mean

950
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Speaker 8: I never knew he was going to be as good

951
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 8: as he was. You know, we were at college for

952
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 8: four years together and room together and some of the

953
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 8: summers and worked at the University of Michigan golf course together,

954
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Speaker 8: and I just never knew he would be.

955
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Speaker 5: As good as he was. But I knew he was

956
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 5: a great leader.

957
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Speaker 8: I think that's the thing that stands out the most

958
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 8: is his willingness to be humble and to take all

959
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 8: the stuff that Belichick gave to him and to use

960
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 8: him as an example for everyone else. That's what led

961
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 8: to the greatness, because he had those leadership qualities to

962
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Speaker 8: bring everybody together, and then the unsatiable desire to be

963
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Speaker 8: the best.

964
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Speaker 2: Ever awesome stuff.

965
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Speaker 3: Well, we hope the voters of Arizona's fifth Congressional district

966
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Speaker 3: are listening. And I love that you were willing to

967
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Speaker 3: take the slings and arrows for being a Trump guy

968
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Speaker 3: when it wasn't popular to be a Trump guy.

969
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on, Thanks for giving guys everything

970
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 5: you guys do.

971
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Speaker 7: Love listening.

972
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 2: Appreciate that. That's Jay Feely. Awesome dude.

973
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Speaker 3: Encourage you guys if you're in Arizona again twenty twenty six.

974
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Speaker 3: Once again, Arizona is going to be a focal point,

975
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Speaker 3: one of the big battlegrounds. Trump won by a lot,

976
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Speaker 3: but they're going to have the governor's race, the congressional races.

977
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Speaker 1: A lot going on there. You heard about prescription drug

978
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: prices last week, right. President Trump signed an executive order

979
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: last Monday slashing the cost of prescription drugs, going after

980
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: price gouging for drugs you're getting with Obamacare. It'll be

981
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: a little while until all that kicks in. But what

982
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: about trying to save money on your health insurance?

983
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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: We want to introduce you to Ease for Everyone. Compared

985
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Speaker 1: to Obamacare, Ease for Everyone comes with a monthly cost

986
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Speaker 1: as low as two hundred sixty two dollars. You get

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Speaker 1: And unlike the broken promise of Obamacare, you actually get

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Speaker 1: to keep your doctor. Plus you get free unlimited virtual

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Speaker 1: primary care. You can have affordable healthcare for as low

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Speaker 1: as two hundred and sixty two.

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Speaker 3: Everyone dot com slash Clay.

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Speaker 1: Third Hour Clay and Buck kicks off now, and as promised,

997
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: we are joined by doctor Nicole Sapphire. She is the

998
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: host of Wellness Unmasked on the Clay and Buck podcast network.

999
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: You also know her as a Fox News contributor and

1000
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: she is an m doctor, not a Jill Biden doctor.

1001
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: So we're going to talk to about some medical stuff,

1002
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Speaker 1: doctor Sapphire. Great to have you back.

1003
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Speaker 6: Thanks so much guys for having me. Excited to be

1004
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 6: on today.

1005
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Speaker 1: Let's dive right into it. The big news from over

1006
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: the weekend about Biden's diagnosis. Clay and I I think

1007
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: have already established with everybody. Of course, we're all very

1008
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: anti cancer. It is sad when anyone gets cancer, we

1009
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: hope that you know, he is able to be successfully treated.

1010
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: We're not talking about that beyond the news item of

1011
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: its announcement. What is I think of public concern, and

1012
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 1: rightfully so, is given that he was president, and given

1013
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: that they have now admitted they hid effectively senility from

1014
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: the American public and they've now come forward with that,

1015
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Speaker 1: we have questions. A lot of people have questions about

1016
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: what the likelihood is that this diagnosis was also hidden

1017
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Speaker 1: from the public based upon how a disease like this progresses.

1018
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: What can you tell us as a as an MD.

1019
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, unfortunately, I think the last four years and how

1020
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 6: there has just been obvious deception when it came to

1021
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 6: Biden's cognitive decline and not being forthcoming with that has

1022
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 6: a lot of people on edge right now, and rightfully so,

1023
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 6: I mean we you know, myself, I wrote articles, I

1024
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 6: spoke publicly about I didn't believe that the former President

1025
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 6: Biden's doctors were forthcoming about his mental and physical fitness

1026
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 6: at the time that he was in the White House.

1027
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 6: The metastatic prostate cancer diagnosis that we just learned over

1028
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 6: the weekend is devastating and at this point it is

1029
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 6: not about wishing him recovery or to be cancer free,

1030
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 6: because once you have a stage four cancer diagnosis, you

1031
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 6: don't ever get rid of that. The best we can

1032
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 6: hope for is to have no progression of disease. And

1033
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Speaker 6: when you have metastatic disease to the bone, it is

1034
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 6: incredibly painful. So I'm sure he's probably uncomfortable right now.

1035
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 6: We even know that he presented because of symptoms and

1036
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 6: not from routine screening. Now, I think some of the

1037
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 6: big questions that a lot of us had is, you know,

1038
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Speaker 6: is this something that they kept from the public. And

1039
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Speaker 6: the answer is, well, we don't know, but we can

1040
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Speaker 6: kind of talk through this a little bit. At the

1041
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 6: age of eighty two. To be honest, not every eighty

1042
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Speaker 6: two year old man is being screened for prostate cancer.

1043
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 6: In fact, a lot of formal recommendations are that you

1044
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 6: don't screen for prostate cancer and other cancers at this age.

1045
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Speaker 6: But because of you have to take into many factors.

1046
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Speaker 6: You know, what is their life expectancy, will they actually

1047
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 6: benefit from the treatment. But we do know that while

1048
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Speaker 6: Biden was in the White House, because of his annual exams,

1049
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 6: he was being screened for colon cancer with colonoscopies, he

1050
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Speaker 6: was getting skin checked for skin cancer screenings, So therefore

1051
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Speaker 6: we can assume that he was getting routine screenings, and

1052
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Speaker 6: you would expect that from the President of the United States.

1053
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Speaker 6: We would want to make sure we're catching all illness early.

1054
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Speaker 6: So the assumption should be that he was probably being

1055
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Speaker 6: screened for prostate cancer at least while he was in

1056
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Speaker 6: the White House. They never mentioned whether or not he

1057
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Speaker 6: was whether he had the physical exam checking for nodules

1058
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Speaker 6: on the prostate, or whether they were screening him with

1059
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Speaker 6: the common blood tests, the PSA test, which people may

1060
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Speaker 6: be hearing about. They never mentioned those. And interestingly, on

1061
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Speaker 6: other physical exams President Trump, even former President Obama, they

1062
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Speaker 6: did mention when a PSA was drawn. They didn't mention

1063
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 6: that in President Biden. Does that mean that they hid

1064
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 6: it from us intentionally? No, not necessarily. You don't necessarily

1065
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 6: you don't always tell people all the pertinent negatives of

1066
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 6: the physical exam. But it is curious that they didn't

1067
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Speaker 6: mention it.

1068
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Speaker 3: Do you think that this could be missed? So let's

1069
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 3: just kind of take a step back. Let's pretend that

1070
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 3: it's not Joe Biden we're talking about There's an entire

1071
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 3: medical team and apparatus that is surrounding the president every

1072
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Speaker 3: minute of every day.

1073
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Speaker 2: For the last four years. Anything that is remotely wrong

1074
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Speaker 2: with him.

1075
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Speaker 3: He has a team of doctors the likes of which

1076
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Speaker 3: basically doesn't exist for any other person in America. Do

1077
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Speaker 3: you think it is possible that they could have completely

1078
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Speaker 3: missed this cancer and that on Friday, This is I'm

1079
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Speaker 3: just asking for your medical opinion, and then on Friday

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Speaker 3: they would suddenly come out and say, not only does

1081
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Speaker 3: he have cancer, but it's a stage four cancer that

1082
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Speaker 3: has gotten to the point where it is now advanced

1083
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Speaker 3: to being inside of his bone.

1084
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Speaker 2: Does that seem likely to you? As a doctor?

1085
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 6: I can tell you that cancers are missed, and not

1086
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 6: all cancers are. Not all prostate cancers are associated with

1087
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 6: a rise in PSA. Most of them are. Most of

1088
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Speaker 6: them you'll have a high PSA, so if you are

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Speaker 6: screening for prostay cancer, you should pick up on that.

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Speaker 6: But not all of them are, so you can't say

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Speaker 6: one hundred percent of cancers are. Therefore, if he had

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Speaker 6: a normal PSA, he didn't have cancer. That's not true.

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Speaker 6: It sounds like he presented with your urinary symptoms. What

1094
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 6: is that it could be urinary frequency pain, whatever, frequent

1095
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 6: urina and then that's where they found the hardened nodule.

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Speaker 6: To go from presenting with symptoms to a biopsy proven

1097
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Speaker 6: prostate cancer to now confirming metastatic disease, all in less

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Speaker 6: than a week's time, that's a stretch for me a

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Speaker 6: little bit. But I will say he is the former president,

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Speaker 6: so he doesn't get treated like the rest of us.

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Speaker 6: He probably gets accelerated scans and everything is being done

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Speaker 6: for him in the same day, and everything's being prioritized.

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Speaker 6: So is it possible. Absolutely, But they had a lot

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Speaker 6: of information just for this to have happened in the

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Speaker 6: last week, specifically the type of cancer it was, the

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Speaker 6: fact that it's sensitive to hormones. I mean, these are

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Speaker 6: extra tests that we run on the pathology specimen, so

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Speaker 6: usually it takes several days to even over a week

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Speaker 6: to get all of that information back. And the fact

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Speaker 6: that again that they are even they did the bone imaging.

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Speaker 6: They didn't say what they did or how they know

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Speaker 6: that he has metastatic cancer to the bones, but they

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Speaker 6: said he had it. Is this an assumption because they

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00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 6: did a bone scan or a pet scan and they

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00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 6: saw lesions in the bone, or did it go as

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Speaker 6: far to actually confirming it by doing a bone biopsy,

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00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 6: which again would take even more time. We don't have

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Speaker 6: all the information. In fact, we have very little information.

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Speaker 6: But what we do know is he has a very

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Speaker 6: aggressive late stage prostate cancer. It didn't just start in

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Speaker 6: the last week. It's probably been there for at least

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Speaker 6: several months, maybe several years, and it's an unfortunate, tragic

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Speaker 6: situation for the former president.

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Speaker 3: If you had been doctor Saphire with us doctor Nicole

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Speaker 3: Safire now part of the Clay and Buck podcast network,

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Speaker 3: if you had been his lead physician, Like, let's just

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Speaker 3: pretend that it's not Joe Biden himself, right, but you

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Speaker 3: are the White House lead physician, and six months after

1129
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Speaker 3: he leaves your care after four years as you being

1130
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 3: his lead physician, would you feel like you had failed

1131
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 3: him in some way for not picking up on this cancer,

1132
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 3: Like as a doctor, would this be something where you thought, boy,

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Speaker 3: I could have done a better job. If this were

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00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 3: as they seem to be saying, the case that this

1135
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,959
Speaker 3: thing did not reveal itself until Friday, you had four

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Speaker 3: years to be around him, virtually every day.

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Speaker 2: Would you be kicking yourself for missing this?

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Speaker 6: The regret and wondering what you should have could have

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Speaker 6: done as a physician as something we live with every

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Speaker 6: single day. The White House physician is essentially the primary

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Speaker 6: care physician for the President of the United States. You

1142
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Speaker 6: have to assume that they are doing every single screening

1143
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 6: examination to make sure that they catch early signs of

1144
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 6: any sort of illness, anything that could incapacitate the president.

1145
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Speaker 6: The fact that several months after leaving the White House

1146
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 6: not only was he diagnosed with prostate cancer, but a

1147
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 6: late stage prostay cancer, absolutely, as the primary care physician,

1148
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Speaker 6: I would be saying to myself, what did I miss?

1149
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 6: Because this isn't a rare cancer. Unfortunately, there are those

1150
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Speaker 6: cancers that we don't screen for because they are more rare,

1151
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 6: like a prostate cancer or a brain a primary brain tumor.

1152
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 6: Screen from them because they're not very common. Prostate cancer

1153
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 6: is the second most common cancer in men, secondary to

1154
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 6: skin cancer, So that is why we screen men for

1155
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 6: prostate cancer. So again, if the White House physician was

1156
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 6: screening for colon cancer and for skin cancer and checking

1157
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 6: his cholesterol and everything else he was doing, I have

1158
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 6: to assume he was screening for prostate cancer. So the

1159
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 6: big question for me is did they intentionally omit those

1160
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 6: PSA results? Did they have an inclination was their diagnosis

1161
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 6: early on? The biggest thing for me that I have

1162
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 6: the big concerns with is the fact that they kept

1163
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 6: the cognitive decline that was very obvious. That was deceitful

1164
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 6: because a cognitive evaluation should have been a part of that.

1165
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 6: And when people were questioning his cognitive ability, that's when

1166
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 6: he should have been able to do some of those

1167
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 6: mental status exams and make them public. They didn't do that.

1168
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Speaker 6: That was intentional, that was deceitful. When it comes to

1169
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 6: the prostate cancer, did they do the same thing. I

1170
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 6: don't know. I'm less convinced because I do see deno cancers,

1171
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 6: especially aggressive ones like Gleason score nines, can happen very

1172
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 6: quickly and they can mentasticize very quickly. So I am

1173
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 6: less inclined to think that there is a massive cover

1174
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 6: up when it came to prostate cancer, the same way

1175
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 6: that I feel for the cognitive decline. But it's it's possible,

1176
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 6: and I think that there are questions that we don't

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Speaker 6: have the answers to.

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Speaker 1: Doctor staph Art to that end, the medical ethics here,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious about this. I feel like it would you know,

1180
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: there's what's put forward for the public, and as we know,

1181
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: there's information about this is not a normal thing, right,

1182
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: A president puts forward, you know, information that would be

1183
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: hippoprotected or whatever. Right, And that's just understood because it's

1184
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: a job that affects all of us, and so the

1185
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: health of the president is in many ways public information.

1186
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Speaker 1: But if you're the president's physician and the president says

1187
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: and you say, hey, look I see something on this PSA,

1188
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Speaker 1: it's a little bit weird. And the President of the

1189
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Speaker 1: United States says to the physician, the White House was yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we need to share this with anybody.

1191
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: What are the medical ethics here? I mean, what how

1192
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: does that play out? As you see?

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Speaker 6: I mean, that's a great question medical legally, is a

1194
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 6: physician we are not supposed to speak publicly about someone's

1195
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 6: diagnoses if it's our patient. Actually, ethically, we're not supposed

1196
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 6: to really talk about their diagnosis even if they're not

1197
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 6: our patient, because we're not supposed to draw conclusions without

1198
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Speaker 6: having done the work.

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Speaker 5: Up.

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01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 6: It is only a courtesy that they show us these

1201
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 6: annual physical examinations. That is not you know, that is

1202
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 6: not right that the Americans. I mean, that's not in

1203
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 6: the law that they have to do that. We just

1204
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 6: liked this on paper where it says that our presidents

1205
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 6: are mentally and physically fit to do the job. It's

1206
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 6: a great thing, but really all it is is a

1207
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 6: feel good thing, and absolutely things can be omitted. Again,

1208
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 6: we saw it with President Biden for four years. Things

1209
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 6: were admitted. We called it out on that, and they

1210
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 6: didn't do anything about it. So if he had gotten

1211
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 6: the diagnosis, and maybe his trips to Delaware were to

1212
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 6: go for treatment, who knows what it was. Maybe that's

1213
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 6: why he spent so much time up in Delaware. The

1214
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 6: bottom line is, we don't know, And if President Biden

1215
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 6: didn't want to disclose something, I don't think the White

1216
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 6: House physician is medically legally obligated to do so. His

1217
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 6: responsibility is to his patient. Yeah, I mean he has

1218
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 6: to remember. Lloyd Austen, for Defense Secretary, also had prostay

1219
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 6: cancer during the administration, and that was controversy. As say,

1220
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 6: he did not disclose it. That was disclosed inadvertently, because

1221
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 6: if you don't remember, he underwent surgery and then he

1222
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,959
Speaker 6: was in the hospital, but they didn't even they weren't

1223
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 6: forthcoming with us. They didn't even want us to know

1224
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 6: about that. We found out about that after the fact,

1225
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 6: So I don't know. It felt like a lot of

1226
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 6: things were being kept from the public with this last administration,

1227
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 6: and I wouldn't be surprised if some things were kept.

1228
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Speaker 3: What's the prognosis going forward so far as you can

1229
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 3: tell based on what they announced.

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Speaker 6: Yesterday, Well, unfortunately, the two things that they really gave

1231
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 6: for kind of worst case when it comes to prostate cancer.

1232
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 6: The glease and score of nine is how aggressive the

1233
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 6: cancer is. That if you're looking at the cells under microscope,

1234
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 6: that is scored on how many cells are there, how

1235
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 6: active they are, how fast they're dividing, and it's scored

1236
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 6: from two to ten, ten being the most aggressive, two

1237
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 6: being the least. Nine is considered very aggressive, very fast acting.

1238
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 6: So this hasn't been lingering for seven to ten years,

1239
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 6: as some people have been saying, absolutely not not. With

1240
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 6: a gleas and score of nine, it's very fast acting.

1241
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 6: So in that sense, it's worst case scenario, but also

1242
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 6: stage four, meaning that it's not only it's not just

1243
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 6: in the prostate land, it's gone outside of the prostate land.

1244
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 6: And it's not even in like the local pelvic lymph nodes.

1245
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 6: It's gone farther out and in former President Biden's case,

1246
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 6: in his bones. So worst case scenario when this is

1247
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 6: caught early, if you have a less aggressive prostate cancer,

1248
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 6: the five year survival approaches one hundred percent. I mean,

1249
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 6: that's why we screen, That's why we detect early, because

1250
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 6: we have such a great survivability. Unfortunately, in former President

1251
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 6: Biden's case, that survivability at five years is markedly decreased,

1252
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 6: with numbers ranging between twenty five to thirty five percent

1253
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Speaker 6: five year survival.

1254
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Speaker 3: So the expectation would be that based on this diagnosis,

1255
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 3: just to close out with you, there was been would

1256
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 3: have been a strong likelihood that he might die in

1257
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 3: office with this cancer if he were trying to serve

1258
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Speaker 3: all the way until January of twenty nine, for instance.

1259
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Speaker 6: Well, I think at the age of eighty two, just

1260
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 6: he's already exceeding the expected life expectancy for an American man,

1261
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 6: especially one with cardiovascular disease and a history of heart disease.

1262
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Speaker 6: So I think the likelihood that he would have had

1263
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Speaker 6: some sort of cardiac event in the next four years

1264
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 6: is high, maybe a cardiovascular disease like a stroke event.

1265
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Speaker 6: And now given the aggressive stage four prostate cancer and

1266
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 6: with the treatments, I think it's highly likely that his

1267
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 6: life expectancy, I'm not you know, is significantly decreased and

1268
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 6: another term with under the presidency, with that stress, probably

1269
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Speaker 6: would have exacerbated his decline.

1270
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Speaker 3: Doctor Nicole Safire part of the Clay and Buck podcast network.

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