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Speaker 1: me at ease and and kind of was like this

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00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 1: cosmic voice saying, dude, it's gonna be fine. You're gonna

427
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: be fine, and it's s bo. You know. I remember

428
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 1: Spo bringing me into his office the same man. I

429
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 1: think he played me like Frank Zappa or something crazy.

430
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 1: He said, if you want to sound like this and

431
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: played a twenty people, or if you want to sound

432
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to sell out Bridge Stone Arena.

433
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 1: Either way, we want to be in business however we can,

434
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: and so we've we've cut these six songs. I feel

435
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 1: really good about them, and yet for a million reasons

436
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 1: out of my control, they may not work. Uh, but

437
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 1: I think we've got these six and I think because

438
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: we just cut six that I got one more swing

439
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 1: in the bad at Warner after this if it doesn't work,

440
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 1: and I'll still make records even after that, even if

441
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 1: they don't work, I'll find a way to do it.

442
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 1: You know, you might be the most beloved person in

443
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 1: town Underaget just in general. Like nobody, nobody dislikes you.

444
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 1: People love you. People either love you or they don't

445
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,719
Speaker 1: know you well enough. That's what I say about you,

446
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: Like they either love you to their core because you're

447
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: such a good, honest, authentic guy, or they just haven't

448
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 1: spending time with you. You know, you are a very

449
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: passionate person. I can respect that in so many ways.

450
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: And so for me, I'm glad when you're back on

451
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 1: the media or you know, putting music out, because that

452
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: means I could to talk to you and again and

453
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 1: put another light on you. Because let's if you have

454
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: if you have any music out and have you over

455
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: and we're just talking, it's like alright, by WAJ for dinner, yeah,

456
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, it's just such a it's to me,

457
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: it's so much fun to get to talk about it

458
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: because you know, I grew up the son of my

459
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: mom being a school teacher, and I recognize about myself.

460
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: You know, up until this last time working with Jay,

461
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: I've always made my records with my best friends and

462
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: and I've always come into music from that side door

463
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 1: of playing on other people's records and backing other people up.

464
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: I like to be the sponge. I like to approach

465
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: everything as a student, and I'm starting to get the

466
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: idea that when you're making your own record, that's not

467
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,959
Speaker 1: your job. Your job is to grab that spotlight with

468
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: both hands and say everybody, you'll pay attention to me,

469
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: Like I never would have said on the microphone. I

470
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: got the goods until now because I now understand that

471
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: there's a certain part of this role that requires you

472
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: to have It doesn't have to be cockiness at confidence. Yeah.

473
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: I think if you don't believe in you, nobody believes

474
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 1: in you, and sometimes you have to scream. I believe

475
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: in me to make people listen off any sort of

476
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: microphone or TV camera. I got nothing to say, right,

477
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm a quiet guy, I'm I'm down, but you're right.

478
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: When it's time to go, I do have to do

479
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 1: that and go, hey, listen to me. That's right. Like

480
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: I like you guys should listen to me because you

481
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 1: have time and you listen to somebody, so it might

482
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: as well be me, because I have things that have

483
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: compelling things to say. Get on this bush, I'm driving

484
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: it and I can take you somewhere you can't go

485
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: without me. I love that. I love that you're you're

486
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: feeling that and saying that now. Yeah, man, thanks, I'm

487
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: just staring at you after I say that to see

488
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: what you'll say. But yeah, like the fact that you

489
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: have this confidence outward confidence because you've always had it

490
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: inwardly you know how good you are. But what what

491
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: what actually triggered that? Why now do you feel like?

492
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: All right? This is this is it? Next next level?

493
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 1: Awes a million things, I mean one of the big things,

494
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: and you can hear it in the in the new music.

495
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 1: This through This Town is a great example with the

496
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: guitar solo. Uh man, we got married and I can

497
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: honestly say I've become buddies with my hero with Vince

498
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: Gill and uh he called me up and said, man,

499
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: come by the house. Got a wedding present for you.

500
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, dude, we're gonna get the most amazing

501
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: toaster I've ever seen in my life. And I show

502
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: up at his house and you can if if folks

503
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: see the music video for Fist through this town, they're

504
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: seeing to me walking with this sort of gold guitar case. Uh.

505
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: And that gold guitar case was sitting on the floor

506
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: next to him, and in the case was the guitar

507
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: I play in the video. And when I started working

508
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: with j on this music, he said, man, bb King,

509
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: Keith Richards, all these guys they had their one guitar.

510
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,719
Speaker 1: You got your read guitar, you know. I mean you

511
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: have other guitars, but like you've got your your it's

512
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: your thing. And uh, He's like, dude, I challenge you

513
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: to play one guitar on these recordings. And so I

514
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm playing the Vince guitar. It's in

515
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty give some three thirty five. It's like, it's

516
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: my dream guitar. Did it sound as good as you

517
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: it would? Oh? Man? Yeah. The crazy thing was I

518
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: had played it before, so the first time I went

519
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: out on tour back in Vince up. He said, man,

520
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: if there's anything you need, let me know. I've got

521
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: tons of instruments in gear like happy to let you

522
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: borrow it on the road. And I said, man, I

523
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: love three thirty five. So that guitar was on my

524
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 1: guitar stand on the first day of rehearsals, and I

525
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 1: fell in love with it then, and he knew that.

526
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: Of course, I had no idea that he was some

527
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: day give it to me. And being given that instrument

528
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: was a big shot in the arm of confidence. It

529
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: is like, oh my gosh, I have this. Now I

530
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: have to make good on it. And uh. And then

531
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: enter j and going, you're not gonna bring in a

532
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: whole bunch of pedals. You're not gonna bring in a

533
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: bunch of amps. Pick one guitar and one amp and

534
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: let's go. And it's funny to the amp. I called

535
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: John Osborne, who's a buddy, and uh, he has this

536
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: amazing old Fender amp. It's a it's a tweet Deluxe,

537
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: And so I borrowed John's Tweet Deluxe, have Vince's guitar,

538
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: and and it's it's just hard to go into a

539
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: studio with Jay Joyce playing Skills guitar and John Osborne's

540
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: am and feel like you're not gonna just do something great.

541
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: You kind of can't lose with that combo and uh

542
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: and and then we had this fantastic experience. And Jay,

543
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: you know, I've worked with him on Eric Church Records,

544
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: on Chief and on the Heart and Soul that just

545
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: came out. And so a big fan of j and

546
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: knew him a little bit, but I didn't know him

547
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: well enough to be super comfortable with him. And the

548
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,479
Speaker 1: cool thing about Jays He's not precious about anything. As

549
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: soon as we get the part the take, he is

550
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: on to the next thing. There's no victory dance, there's

551
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: no listen back to the song three times. And that

552
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: was really refreshing. It made me put everything I had

553
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: into every take because I was like, this might be

554
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:45,239
Speaker 1: my last chance to do it. Which song? And I'm

555
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: gonna I'm ask you this. I would ask you off

556
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: the year. I anna ask you now because I do

557
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: want you to come into the radio show and play

558
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 1: one of the songs, but which one? And you're releasing

559
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: them kind of staggered out, but which one? And when

560
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: you don't have to answer right now, But I'm gonna

561
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: give you that ticket to cash in, all right, that

562
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: when it when, when, when what? Whichever one comes out

563
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: that you want to come up and play on the show.

564
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: We don't put as many people on the show anymore. Honestly,

565
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: it got to the point where there aren't Nashville as

566
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: compared to other New York City Los Angeles as far

567
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: as entertainment goes, there just aren't as many acts that

568
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like people are coming through all the time,

569
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: like and let me use a friend of mine so

570
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: they won't get offended. Uh, Like how many times you

571
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: gonna have Brett Eldred John over and over again twice

572
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: a year, three times a year, where it's just like

573
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: the same folks coming through a lot where people start

574
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: to get bored and go, I just heard Tim mcgrawl

575
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: like three months ago. So we don't bring as many

576
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: people in, so it keeps it kind of exciting and new.

577
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: And just because somebody puts out new music, I don't.

578
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: I don't have people in unless I really feel strongly

579
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: about it. That being said, I'm gonna give you this ticket.

580
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: It's definitely not gold. It's more like a comperate because

581
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: I called a copper. Tickets just get a little valuable,

582
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: but not the most, you know, So when you have

583
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: this song that you want to come and play for

584
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: my audience, you can cash then oh man, I thank you.

585
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: So you don't have to play the song now. But

586
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: do you know which tick? You know which song it

587
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: will be? Uh? Or do you need time and you

588
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: don't want to commit? Well, I'll say this, there's two.

589
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: There's two at flip a coin on you know one

590
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: and I was gonna ask you the same thing off

591
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: the mike, and I will not give you advice on

592
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: that though, because this is my opinion on your career.

593
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: When it comes to picking songs, I have learned that

594
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: is not good for me to do because people will

595
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: actually listen to me, and my advice is no better

596
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: than anybody else's on what song is good? If that

597
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: makes sense, Like, I don't value my opinion on listening

598
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: to a song more than I would somebody at your

599
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: record label, and I would hate to shift some or

600
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: let's say I don't shift your opinion and you feel

601
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: guilty and you're like, well, you told me this, I

602
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: didn't pick it because he's kind of oh yeah, you

603
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: open up a can of worm. So I don't. So

604
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 1: I don't, And I would I tell you that off

605
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: the air type like telling you which one, Well, I'll

606
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: tell you. I'll tell you off the air the two

607
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: that I think are the most likely that I'm and

608
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: and and maybe putting them out in the world and

609
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: seeing what happens. I'm not that I would pick a

610
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: a goal based on the number of views on YouTube,

611
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: but it is it can be telling, right, what's what's connecting? And? Uh,

612
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen that with your show with music

613
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: before you mentioned song and play snippet of it shoots

614
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: up the charts on iTunes. I mean you can. You

615
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: can sometimes get a little It's like you know when

616
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: people lick their finger and put it in the wind

617
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: to see which way it's blowing. Uh, but just think

618
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: about it, you have to. I don't need an answer now.

619
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: But in a month, two months, three months, Hey, I'm

620
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: ready to cash on my ticket and come play this song. Alright,

621
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: I go, all right, let's book it and get it up.

622
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: Let's go all right, thank you, we'll move on from that.

623
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's been two years since new music.

624
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: What is the best feeling is it when you write it,

625
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: when the song is done being recorded, or when you

626
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: finally get to release it. Oh uh, I'd say between

627
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: those three, because I thought you were going to throw

628
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: out like when you play it in front of an audience,

629
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: and that that one's probably the most amazing. I mean,

630
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: that one's just yeah, that's a that's a singular experience

631
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: for sure. Uh So when you write it and it's done,

632
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: when you record it and it's done and you get

633
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: to hear the full or when it's finally released and

634
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: the people finally start to get to hear it, well,

635
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: I'll say this time around, it was when the recording

636
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: was done, and it's that's because I have learned, you know,

637
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: similar to you saying I'm not going to pick the

638
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: song because I'm not the right person to do or whatever, like, uh,

639
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: your your personal feelings maybe don't align necessarily with what

640
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: the people who the suits at the label are gonna

641
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: how they approach it. And for me as a songwriter,

642
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: I've learned that I don't know when I write the song.

643
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: You know, there's a song on coming out that's it's

644
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: one of the two that I wrote by myself and

645
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: I was just writing it to get out of a

646
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: pub deal. I'd have been fired from my pub deal.

647
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: And uh, I didn't think anything of it. And I

648
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: almost didn't play it for Chris Lacey at Warner and

649
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: when I did, she goes, don't let anybody here that

650
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: if George Straight here's an he's gonna cut it. That's

651
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: a country that's country goal or whatever, and so I

652
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: was like, wow, I really would not have thought that.

653
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: So finishing the song, it's rare that I get that feeling,

654
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, that endorphin release, like, oh my gosh, I

655
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: just wrote the best song I've ever written. I mean,

656
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: you get that feeling, but then you don't know if

657
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: anybody else is going to feel that way. And releasing

658
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: the music this time around, uh gosh. Man, I was

659
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: at home my son, you know, so I had this.

660
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: My mind is my heart has been split between these

661
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: two worlds. It's still exciting, but in the fall, the

662
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: world will still shut down. And I've waited so long

663
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: to record these songs, and uh, hearing those mixes back

664
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: and then going get being able to get in my car,

665
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: drove home and listen to the music and having that

666
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: feeling like Okay, songs different songs different this time around.

667
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: Like the way I'm singing is different. There's a difference

668
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: in my guitar playing, like I'm I am really feeling

669
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: it here on your chest. What you're saying, yeah, a

670
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: little yeah, a little confidence, a little I got the goods.

671
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: I like that. I could have became out right, But

672
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: that's just when I came to town and you were

673
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: doing that record cycles when we first met. That's right. Um,

674
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: if you go back and you re listen to that song,

675
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: do you revisit it musically and go, Man, if I

676
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: was cutting this right now, this is what I would

677
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: do different. Uh? Goodness, you know, I feel like it

678
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: was all the right thing at that time. I'll tell

679
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: you what I would do different, is uh the song

680
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: want me To? I camped that vocal myself. I should

681
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: not have done that. I stayed up one night at

682
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: studio and and did all of that and worked on

683
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: some guitar parts and all of that. And I shouldn't

684
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: have had that kind of access, uh, but I did.

685
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: And then another thing I think I might have attempted

686
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: or if I could do something different from that album cycle,

687
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: I might have put out a different song as a

688
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: second single that said, You've supported the heck out of

689
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: that song, and I'm grateful. I love it. I love it,

690
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: and it's a great song live. It works live. But

691
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: if I had been able to know what was going

692
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: to happen with country music and broke country hitting and everything,

693
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: it was it was me trying to compete in that

694
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: world versus me doubling down on what I do best,

695
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: and that what I do that other people don't. And

696
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: so I might have put something unexpected like Young to

697
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: See or my song How I Learned to Pray Out,

698
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: or even Trouble Is, which still had some like radio

699
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: magic vibes to it. What was more me right? Uh?

700
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: Not that Want Me Too wasn't me at the time,

701
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: or it wasn't me at the time, but want Me

702
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: To was. It was a fear based decision versus a

703
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: no man Young to See, Come on, dude like that

704
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: that isn't anywhere else right now, and and me at

705
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: thirty five can look around and see, you know, wow, man,

706
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: look at when Brothers Osborne just go and be the

707
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: Brothers Osborne, they find their crowd looking. When Mary Morris

708
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: comes out on my Church, she finds her crowd and

709
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: and now I know, now I know that's the move.

710
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: Uh So that would have been what I would change,

711
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: but the way we cut could it be. I wouldn't

712
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: change the thing, man, even the acoustic guitar solo. I

713
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: kind of love that I put an acoustic guitar solo

714
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: in a song. And uh and all that. How do

715
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: you get involved with working with church? And he did?

716
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: Heart and Soul? Who who gives you that call? And

717
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: and and what did you do? Yeah? So, uh, that

718
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: relationship began on on the Chief album and at the

719
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: time I published your art Arturo binderhor Jr. Who was

720
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: a big, big part of my early journey and getting

721
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: me in this whole world. Uh, he's worked with Eric

722
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: from day one and uh he kind of threw my

723
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: name in the hat to come play and played a

724
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: few things that went well. Uh. Eric's talked in interviews

725
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: about how with Desperate Man, he felt like they got

726
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: too comfortable, so they wanted to shake things up and

727
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: they were looking back over uh just his whole discography

728
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: and at at things they thought, well, all right, we've

729
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: we found the magic here. Let's try and recreate that,

730
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: you know. Uh So I just got apt as as

731
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: one of the folks who had been a part of

732
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: that magic on Chief Uh and UH. Next thing I know,

733
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm on a bus headed banner ELK and I played

734
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: probably more on Heart than I did on Soul. But

735
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you my favorite track I played on

736
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: and the one where I feel like I put my

737
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: most most of my stamp on is uh a song

738
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: called do Side that's on the end on the fans

739
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: only one and Uh for anybody who has access to

740
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: that song, check out that bono down't thunk down't Down't

741
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: this funky little banjo thing. It's me playing banjo and

742
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: it's a little riff I came up with. And the

743
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: groove is from because we had all this time to

744
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: kill because Eric was writing songs during the day and

745
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: we'd hang out, you know, just Jay and which I

746
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: love because I kind of knew then. I was like,

747
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: I want to work with Jay. I want to get

748
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: some hang time. And he played me records I've never heard.

749
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: And the one record I played him he had never heard,

750
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: this old record by Freddie King called Burglar. It's like

751
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: funk blues stuff like nothing you'd ever expecting country music.

752
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: And sure enough, like that day I had played that

753
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: record for j and that night Eric brought into side,

754
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: and so the band is ripping off Freddy King with

755
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: this little banjo riff that I had on it. But

756
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: the stuff that everybody can hear on Heart, like the

757
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: the acoustic on stick that in your country song was

758
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: was me uh and I think that was It was

759
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: a wild experience where the power was cutting in and

760
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: out and we got it in the first take banjo

761
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: on crazy Land, I'm playing, um, oh, what's the Heart

762
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: on fire? They let me take all the solo stuff

763
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: on that one, and then that was fun. Man. I

764
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: kept you know, Jay just kept pushing me and pushing it,

765
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: like play more notes, play more notes because I'm sure

766
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: I'm like always trying to be tasteful and stuff. He's like, no, man,

767
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear more stuff, you know. And

768
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: that was That was just a wild, really cool experience.

769
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: You ever get with anyone in the room and you're

770
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: playing and you you're like wow, like I'm because I

771
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: just can't see you thinking you're out of your league

772
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: with anybody, but you ever get anyone, you're kind of

773
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: blown away. How good they are? Oh all the time.

774
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: You know, and and but that's what I seek out.

775
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: You know, Uh, I know every you know you could

776
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: you could put a edit together. How many times I

777
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: quote name dropped Vince Gil in this interview or any interview.

778
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: But he's just so full of wisdom and one of

779
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: the great pieces of wisdom that he imparted to me

780
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 1: early on. Uh, same advice he got from from someone else,

781
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: uh when he was starting out. Never be the best

782
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: musician in your band. Always surround yourself for people who

783
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: up your game, because if you're the best player in

784
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: your band, you got nothing to learn. And so, and

785
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: being in Vince's band, I was surrounded. I mean Paul Franklin,

786
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he's going to be in a country music

787
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame one day as a steel guitar player, obviously, Vince,

788
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, John Jarvis, and just all of these incredible

789
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: players all around my Wendy Moten an incredible vocalist and

790
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: uh and so, I mean there were definitely like days

791
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: and shows sound checks on that tour where I'm like,

792
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: what am I doing out here? But then there are

793
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: moments where you I'll play a killer solo and be

794
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: like daging all right, I can hang and uh, but

795
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: it's the it's it's wanting to be on the field

796
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: with people who up your game. That's that's what I seek.

797
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: So I hope for those experiences where I feel a

798
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: little out of MILLI I mean Brian Sutton comes to

799
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: mind as somebody a musician who's just like he's just

800
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: next level, just absolute next level. But but we all

801
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: have something to bring to the table. I mean, I

802
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: got that call to play on the Eric record, and

803
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: get the call to play on these other records. Not

804
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: because I'm the literally the fastest guitar player. I'm far

805
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: from literally the most technical, technically great guitar player. Brian

806
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: Suton might be. I would put my money on that,

807
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: but but I have a d n A. I gotta sound,

808
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: you know. It's a little bit of growing up in Mississippi,

809
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: and like the way I've been notes, uh and and

810
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: so I bring a flavor into the the recipe and

811
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: sometimes that that in reading is called for, and sometimes

812
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: it isn't. Aside from really special player musicians who is

813
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: an artist, did you look at and go holy crap,

814
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: like that's what they're doing is so good? I mean,

815
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: Eric is a great example, especially as a songwriter. If

816
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: he had never made a record of his own, I

817
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: think he'd be one of the most competitive writers in town.

818
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody argues that. Uh. Miranda Lambert was

819
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: one of the first to take me out on the road.

820
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. Those were two hard acts to follow, so

821
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: to speak. I mean what they taught me, both on

822
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: and off stage, about how to run an organization, how

823
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: to put on a show and treat the fans, right, ah, man,

824
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: I mean there's so many there's so many great great artists.

825
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: What about playing artists, Oh, playing artists. Oh, let me

826
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: think here, not Vince. We know you're gonna say ven

827
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: Keith Urban Uh and doing the A C N S

828
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: with him, that was a trip too, because I mean,

829
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, first time I saw him in concert, Uh,

830
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: he was playing about thirty five people at this festival

831
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: in Jackson, Mississippi. He was just coming out of the gate.

832
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: It was that record post the Ranch, and he was

833
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: just burning it up. And I knew them, but I

834
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: know even more now how hard it is to sound

835
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: great with such a small band. I think he had

836
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: to or maybe three. I think he drums, bass and

837
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: fiddle backing him up. So it was all up to him,

838
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: you know. And he's such a dynamic guitar player. He

839
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: connects visually what he's doing for the crowd. So even

840
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: if you're not getting it, you know, as a as

841
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: a fellow player or whatever, you feel it you recognize.

842
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: And and he's got such a signature sound he would

843
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: be at the top of that list. I saw Luke

844
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: Hombs playing a song that you guys had written. I

845
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: think it's an unreleased song from YouTube. Is he ever

846
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: putting ever? Mind right? Ever? Mind? That's it? Yeah? Is

847
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: you ever putting that out? I hope so. I mean

848
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: I would be like, Luke, you put it out, like

849
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: cut it? Man. We've written three songs together. And I'm like,

850
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: and we I was in the studio with him. He's

851
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: got a record coming out, uh and uh we're gonna

852
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: be back in the studio again soon. You know, he's

853
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: working on his next record. I love being a part

854
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: of that that band. Uh. But uh yeah, we've got

855
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 1: three songs and and I'm like, come on, man, any

856
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: one of these would be great. And uh. And we

857
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: wrote another song me and him and Thomas Rhett that

858
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: I I hope Thomas cuts if you're listening to r

859
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: come on man Um. But he's got a whole other

860
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: record he's still working on. I know, I know, I

861
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: got my fingers. I was just talking to him the

862
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: other day and not on a microphone. I was like, hey, no,

863
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: you've a dult record like they've both done. He's like,

864
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: he said, we got the first one, all right, So

865
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: you're telling me there's a chance. The chance. So, but

866
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: let's say Luke doesn't put it out and tr doesn't

867
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: put it out, then in this next cycle, then does

868
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: that give you Clarence if you want to put it out,

869
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: you can, I think so. But I will say with

870
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: these songs specifically, they feel more for them than me,

871
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: and and you know, I mean all all jokes side

872
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: and stuff, and in all seriousness like having been in

873
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: that position, I'll understand when a song doesn't fit right,

874
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: even if it fits that artist, it may not fit

875
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 1: them at that time. And songs come in at all times.

876
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: They come in the eleventh hour and something knock something off.

877
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: So I get that that's how it works. And as

878
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: someone who gets to participate as the artist. There are

879
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: so many talented, just straight up songwriters out there that

880
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to take a spot away from them

881
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: when they deserve that or earned that. Uh. So it

882
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: would depend on the song and and then those cases,

883
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: I don't know that those songs would end up on

884
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: my record. Uh, but there are other songs for sure

885
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: that fit that description. Dirk's just cut a song online,

886
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: uh that you know, I really wanted to cut for me,

887
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: But I'm not mad about Derek's cutting it. You know

888
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: that'll be great and I still played in my set, right.

889
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: I think about that with Eric Passlay and folks like that.

890
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: You know. Shoot, they they wrote songs for other people

891
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: and still play him in their show. If Dirk's song,

892
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: but it's it's not gone right, it's not it's gonna

893
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: be do you know if it's gonna be a single?

894
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: Don't know yet. Like that's that's the part where you're like,

895
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: come on, if you're gonna take it, If you're gonna

896
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: take it, and I wanted to cut it, like let's

897
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: make it a single. At least you said. People think

898
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: it's cool. Otherwise you want to, you know, an album

899
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: cut from Dirk's People like what is it? What is that?

900
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: There's like the two people in back, they're like yeah,

901
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: he did it. They were the one Benn diagram of

902
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: you and Dirk's where they meet in the middle. They're

903
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 1: in that little spot. Um okay, well, I'm pretty pumpy

904
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: that that you're working in all these different areas because

905
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: you're just kind of top of your game in so

906
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: many spots, like writing, they have people the best of

907
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: the best. Have you been writing the best of the best.

908
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: Have you been playing the best of the best? Have

909
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: you in on a label performing like eventually? And I

910
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: say this about you eventually because Steve Martin said, be

911
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: so good that they basically it's be so good they

912
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: can't deny you, right, like they might for a little bit,

913
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: but be so good that you you just can't be denied.

914
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: And that's what I've tried to do with my life,

915
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: Like people told me no over and over, so I

916
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: was like, screw it. I'm just gonna go and be

917
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: so freaking good. And either if they don't think I'm good,

918
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna look and see how people come with me,

919
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to put me on things that's right.

920
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: And I feel like you're that, Like you personify that

921
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: even more than I do. Like you're so good in

922
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: all these areas that they can't they can't just hold

923
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: you back forever. Oh, thank you. Well, And I don't

924
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: think anybody is the world. Yes, well, things you can't control,

925
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: that can't control, Yes, that's it. Not not no one's

926
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: holding you back going At're not gonna let you be

927
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: creatively you But but so far these things that you

928
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 1: can't quite predict haven't worked out in your favor. Freaking

929
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: broke Custer comes along right as you're hitting your first record.

930
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 1: But you know what, that was one of the best

931
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: gifts that I could have been given because it gave

932
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: me a chance to learn about myself work on myself. Uh.

933
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: And I've I've gotten an O Tyler pretty well from

934
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: F G L. And he's one of my favorite songwriters

935
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 1: in the format. But imagine if we had ten number

936
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: ones and then you learned about yourself like that was

937
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: real learning. Well you, I'm talking to you. Imagine if

938
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have to learn about yourself, you could just

939
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: be you and well that see that. And I believe

940
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: I would have gotten into some trouble if I if

941
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: I had had Oh, I think it's very possible. Absolutely,

942
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I went to I went to this

943
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: place called on site. Yeah, oh man, oh me too,

944
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: And I remember talking to someone there, and when I

945
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: was there, I examined my drinking because I thought, well,

946
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm an alcoholic, but I could definitely

947
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: cross that line if I'm not careful. So I went

948
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: to an a A meeting just was like, let me

949
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: just pretend for three days that I'm an alcoholic? Can

950
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: I do this if I if I need to make

951
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: that decision, and talking to someone in that meeting, and

952
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: it's all confidential, you know, so nobody's gonna know who

953
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: this person is. But I remember him going, yeah, I know,

954
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: I know how. You know how it is, man. You

955
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: blow off work and you have a couple of whiskeys.

956
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: Next thing you know, you're at your up state a

957
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: state and you've told the guard at the at the gate,

958
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: like locked the gate, and you don't do anything but

959
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: rod dirt bikes and do blow for three days. And

960
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: I'm just like, yeah, I can't afford that kind of trouble.

961
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: But if I'd have had massive success, you can very

962
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: much afford much bigger trouble very quickly. And that could

963
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: have happened because I had that anger that you here

964
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: in fist. Uh, that's really fear. That's another thing I

965
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: learned it on site. Is it anger and fear two

966
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: sides of the same coin. And I was always angry

967
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: because deep down I was afraid that I was not

968
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: going to get a seat at the table. That's what

969
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: it came down to. Wrecked in a good way. Me Oh,

970
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: me too. It's like, can you hear about I had

971
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: friends that went in the military, one of the army,

972
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: and they were like, well, they knocked me down to

973
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: build me back up. That's exactly what I did. I

974
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: walked in and it it was like boom, yeah and

975
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: then slowly And I was never someone to subscribe and

976
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: go I'm gonna go to this place and get But

977
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: you know, it was Dave Heywood. Him and I were talking.

978
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, you know what, because Dave, like me,

979
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: is creative, but he's also very analytical and he's like,

980
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, it might be good for you, and he's like,

981
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: you're working with both sides of your brain in a

982
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: lot of ways. And you got a lot of trauma

983
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: from your child because I went to on site not

984
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: saying you should go, So I just kind of stored

985
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: that away and thought about it. Then Nicole Galleon was

986
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: talking to her and she was like kind of the

987
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: same thing. He was like everything by going on site,

988
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, why does everybody keep telling me to

989
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: go to therapy camp? And a little bit I was

990
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: getting offended. I was like, why do people keep telling

991
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: me to go to therapy camp? And then I was

992
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: having coffee with Tyler Hubbard and him and I had

993
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: had some issues, some personal issues, and we were just

994
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: kind of ironing it out and talking face to face

995
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: in person, because you can see where a lot of

996
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: stuff can be misconstrued when you're not together. And we

997
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: were talking about it and we had a really great talk,

998
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: and he was like, man, I'll tell you what helped

999
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: me so much was going to on site. And I

1000
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: was like, all right, three of you suckers have told

1001
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: me this, so I'm just gonna go. And so I

1002
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 1: went and I came out and I recommended to people

1003
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: and they've gone, and it changed me to the point

1004
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: where I left that place exhausted. Didn't have my phone

1005
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: for a week. I remember flip. I didn't even want

1006
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: my phone at first first day, I was like, I

1007
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: name my phone I'm scratching, I'm going through withdraw. I

1008
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: name my phone after about day two and a half

1009
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: and you're going you're going to bed when the sun

1010
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: goes down, you're reading books all the time, you're meeting people.

1011
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't ever want my phone again.

1012
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: I only take about six hours and I wanted my phone.

1013
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: But still when I turned it on, I was like,

1014
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm going back into a place that that

1015
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: I really wasn't looking forward to going back to. But

1016
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: it changed. It changed me. It's really excited to hear

1017
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: you went and it helped you too. Oh man. I

1018
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: just shouted from the rooftops. I believe in it so much.

1019
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: My thing. When I left, though, I drove straight to

1020
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: five Points Pizza in order to double order a garlic

1021
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: not says like I need some carbs. Well listen, man,

1022
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: I'm pumped that you were starting this chapter. Yeah, and

1023
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 1: this season of you, because you've got so much going

1024
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 1: on positively around and about you. One that's your family,

1025
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: your wife, you got a new son, yeah, your music,

1026
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: which you're never going to stop doing, but mostly your energy,

1027
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: Like it's a different energy. Well, thanks man, And I've

1028
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: seen three energies now you have, and you've always honestly, Bobby,

1029
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: you've been there every time, you know, at at that

1030
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 1: cross roads point, and you've always just whether you knew

1031
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: it or not, man, you've you've been encouraging. And I

1032
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: know I'm not alone in that experience with you. And

1033
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: that really matters to Uh, that matters to anybody who

1034
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: does this, you know, for someone that they know that

1035
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: they respect to really truly see them and say hey,

1036
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: keep going. It's like, you know, it really makes a difference.

1037
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: And I'm just so grateful for this scenic route. I

1038
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: call it the scenic Rout to start them because it's

1039
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: it's made everything even more rich for me in my heart.

1040
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, I get to be a dad too with

1041
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: all this, So I'm like, hey, what did you do? Dude?

1042
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: Text all you want. I mean, you've got a lot

1043
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,959
Speaker 1: of great dads, you know. I mean, Tyler is great,

1044
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: and I don't know Jordan's as as well as I

1045
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: do Tyler, but I know he's great too. He was

1046
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: on the dad Ville podcast recently, which you'll have to

1047
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: do when you're you're in there. I think we got

1048
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: a couple of years before there. That's day right. Yeah, Oh, yeah,

1049
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: not Dave Haywood though, Dave Barnes, Yeah, another great Dave.

1050
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, well listen, here's what I want everybody

1051
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: to do. Listen right now. First of all, Charlie's Instagram

1052
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: Instagram is at Charlie Worsham, and that opens up the

1053
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: hole for you to go walking exploring because you can

1054
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: go your YouTube. I saw you do like a fifteen

1055
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: minute tutorial on the fifth of this town. Um. You

1056
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: lost me about minute about thirty seconds, and I was like,

1057
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I can't even learn. But you know,

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Speaker 1: you you put so much out there in your music.

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Speaker 1: You put your heart on your sleeve about things you're

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Speaker 1: passionate about, things that that that affect your heart that

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Speaker 1: have nothing to do with music. You know. I think

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Speaker 1: we're very similar in we fight for our home. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: we have to fight against our home to actually be

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Speaker 1: good for it. Yeah, and that's tough. It's tough, and

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Speaker 1: that's tough because you never want to have to go

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Speaker 1: through that. But I just yea, look, I look up

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Speaker 1: to you in many ways. Um, so I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: came over. You have a ticket, you have us a

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Speaker 1: copper ticket alright. Whenever you're catching the Copper ticket. All right,

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Speaker 1: come up and play whatever you want to play. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you got a Plywood ticket for me? Whenever you decide

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Speaker 1: to run for office, man, I will campaign all day long.

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Speaker 1: I was coming. I was thinking about like slogans and

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Speaker 1: stuff all the way down. I didn't have anything yet,

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Speaker 1: but I'll get back to the Plywood ticket alright. Alright

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Speaker 1: At Charlie Worsham, you guys check out Fist of this Town.

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Speaker 1: When is the next song coming out? It's a song

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Speaker 1: called Believe in Love. So three weeks or so well

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Speaker 1: from when people hear this three weeks the day or

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Speaker 1: within a couple of days of whenever one should sit

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Speaker 1: there one week. Uh reminder for the premiere of Breaking

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Speaker 1: Bobby Bones. Yeah, you know we got guys at all.

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Speaker 1: He still finds a way to promote me, all right.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Warsham Instagram at Charlie Worsham, Charlie, good to see you,