WEBVTT - Striving for Work-Life Balance (Bestie Ep) #407 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.599 Joel, You know, Labor Day. That was one of those 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:05.040 holidays that I had a difficult time remembering when it 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:08.440 was Memorial Day. In Labor Day when I first entered 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:11.800 into adulthood with my first job, I remember thinking, wait, 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:13.319 is that the holiday that's in the fall or we 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:15.360 talked about the one that's in the spring. I don't 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:17.360 think you're the only one who gets so confused. I 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.400 also never remember are you supposed to wear white? Yes 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:22.480 after Labor Day or no? After Labor Day? I don't 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:24.560 I don't know the fashion rules. Well I remember now 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:28.760 because with our youngest, our son, he was born Labor 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.240 Day week, and so now forever I will remember that 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:34.000 Labor Day is, in fact the holiday here in the fall. 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:36.720 Of course, this is when we celebrate all of the 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.280 folks out there who are working hard to support themselves 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:41.599 and their families as well. And yeah, we decided that 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.120 what better way for us to celebrate Labor Day and 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:46.280 then to take some time off and and not prepare 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.319 for an entirely new episode instead spend some extra time 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.879 with our families, maybe going some other adventures that we 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:53.400 had in mind. So even though we released a new 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.360 episode on Monday of this week. We're like, all right, well, 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:59.120 we're gonna take Monday off and not recorded episode for Wednesday, 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.560 and so every of knows we I mean, we record 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:03.960 slightly ahead of time. Yeah, we're not recording on the 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.240 exact same day, right, So and because of that also 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:09.240 we we we feel like we had a perfect episode 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.640 that fit right for the Labor Day week. And and 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:14.920 this one in particular is about striving for work life 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.280 balance and matter. A lot of people, I think have 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.600 found that harder to come by in working from home 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.080 COVID times, the lines are a little bit blurred for 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.520 a lot of people, a lot more blurred some people 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.360 still working from their beds or off their couch, which 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:30.760 you know, we've had other episodes with experts like Laura 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:33.840 Vanderkamp about how to work from home effectively, But this 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.080 in particular is an episode that you and I did 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.760 about what it looks like to achieve balance in your life. 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.360 And I think, yeah, all work and no play makes 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.720 us dull people, and so finding that balance, striking that 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:47.360 balance is really important for our own mental health and 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.040 for the general well being of our families. That's right, 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.400 And we'll have a fresh Friday Flight episode for you 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.520 here on Friday, so you can look forward to that. So, Joel, 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:59.240 without any further ado, striving for Work Life Balance. Welcome 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.840 to How the Money. I'm Joel and I'm Matt, and 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:24.360 today we're discussing striving for work life Balance. Yeah, Joel, 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:29.120 the percentage of professional college educated workers working over fifty 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.840 hours a week and that has dramatically increased over the 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.400 past few decades. And I think this is something our 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.560 listeners can resonate with as well. I'm sure there have 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.480 been times in everyone's life where you feel like you're 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:43.080 just working way too much, and so I think it's 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.160 great that we're gonna discuss some of the things that 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.080 can lead to over working in that imbalance in our 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.160 work life balance, as well as things that we can 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:51.959 do to fix that as well. Yeah, for sure, I 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.000 think it's gonna be a great conversation. I'm looking forward 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.359 to it. But Matt, before we get to that, you 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:57.680 just got a new bike for you, a little five 0:02:57.720 --> 0:02:59.520 year old and it looks pretty sweet. Tell me more 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.000 about it is very sweet, man. Yeah, Well, so Clover, 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:05.040 she has been really into biking, like she rides like 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:07.080 we have a little balance bike that we only keep 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:09.800 inside the house. It's like this, it stays clean, it's 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:11.440 really lightweight, and we're like, no, you can't take that 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.000 bike outside, but she rides it all the time inside 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:16.280 and need somewhere outside. She also loves riding on the 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:19.079 balance bike, and so you know, we thought for her birthday, 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.800 she like, she's a perfect candidate for you know, stepping 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.360 it up to the next level, skipping the training wheels 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.440 and going with this fancy bike that I came across 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.240 a few years ago. It's it's by this company called Womb. Well, 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.119 I will say to the whole reason behind balance bikes, 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:33.800 the purposes to skip training wheels all together. Yeah, exactly. 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:35.680 There are a lot of arguments out there that say that, 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:37.920 I mean, the balance is the hardest part, so it 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.360 can be a lot easier for folks to skip training 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:42.560 wheels all together and goes straight to like a big 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:44.800 kid bike. Like I mentioned though, So womb is this 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.520 company that came across a few years ago, and they 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:51.000 make bikes specifically for like little kids. The center of 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.280 gravity is really low to the ground and the little cranks, 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.200 you know, like they got their little feet pedaling. They're 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.480 also really short, so that the you know their feet 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.320 are always close to the ground in case they need 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:01.560 to kind of set feet down for like a quick stop. 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.800 They've just thought through all these different design decisions with 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.200 like a little kid writer in mind. But here's the thing, man, 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:11.000 these bikes are not cheap. Like this is not a 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.440 frugal or cheap segment. This is more like a splurge 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:18.400 segment of our show, because like, these bikes can cost 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.640 a few hundred bucks for the little ones, like for 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.560 the littlest ones, And I will say I was a 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.440 little bit more frugal this particular company. They have a 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.000 a nice eBay store where they do sell some used ones. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:30.920 They don't have a ton of them, and so that's 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.800 where we actually purchased hours for Clover. But I think 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:35.679 it's good for us to to talk about this because 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.400 we talk about biking a lot, right, Like It's something 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.400 that you and I that we both value. It's something 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:42.640 that I want to see, you know, as part of 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:46.120 my family culture. And yes, these little bikes are pretty expensive, 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.080 But what I'm specifically looking for is is for you know, 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.560 my kids to have a great experience as they learned 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:53.640 how to ride bikes. So that is something that they 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.600 can take to a little more easily, right than if 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.320 they were to you know, pick up that secondhand huffy 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.360 which we hat picks up literally on the side of 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.279 the road. Like I've got three or four bikes in 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.960 our cross base in our basement because folks, I mean, 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:07.440 they toss them out. It's like, oh, this is a great, 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.919 perfectly fine bike, but in fact they're crazy heavy. You 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.279 know that these wound bikes are really lightweight. They're not 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.080 designed for new riders in mind, like and a lot 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.880 of times do they have the coaster break, which you know, 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.719 kid bikes in the US they're required to have a 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.720 coaster break. But again there's all these reports talking about 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.719 how like that is a more difficult way for a 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.400 kid to stop the bike because it puts them off balance. 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.320 And so all of their bikes they have actual handbrakes. Uh, 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.440 start teaching them from an early age that that is 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.440 how you stop the bike. Yeah, that's great, And I 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:38.880 think it's always good for us to be able to 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.640 share the ways in which we have spent more money 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.680 and potentially regretted it, and and then and then the 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.120 ways in which we've spent more money and we feel 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:49.240 like it's really paid off. And it sounds like this 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.719 bike for Clover has been just this step up from 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.599 the balance bike, and that she's really enjoying bike riding. 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.000 She loves it, like literally, I mean, it's been raining 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.880 a lot recently, but every stinking day after school she 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:02.880 wants to go outside and ride her bike. And I'm like, oh, 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:04.960 I'm sorry, it's been raining for like five days in 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.560 a row. We can't go out again. But no joke. 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:09.280 When we first got it, it took her two or 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:11.880 three minutes to get started riding on that thing. And 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.680 you could not have seen me smiling any bigger than 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:16.680 you know, seeing one of my kids ride a bike, 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:18.560 ride a big kid bike for the first time ever. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.360 I was so proud, so happy. And it's totally worth 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.320 the money when that happens, right, Yes, that's a great 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:26.560 investment right there, And truly is I mean, we we 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.240 we I'm kind of finicky about using the word investment, 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.080 but really I really only want to use it and 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:33.720 when I'm talking about something that is going to pay 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.360 off in the end, uh, And we use investment about 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.680 buying couches or just stupid stuff that actually isn't really 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:41.640 an investment. But but a bike is kind of an 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.200 investment in your kids future for loving biking. That's going 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.040 to save them money in the long term. So I 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.600 think I can use it appropriately in that context. Yeah, Man, 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:50.480 It's something else that I feel like you could get behind, 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.560 is that this specific bike, it's gonna work for two 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.719 other kids. Like, We've got two more kids who will 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.280 be able to ride on that bike. And so when 0:06:58.360 --> 0:06:59.719 you know that you can take a purchase like that 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.800 and stretch it out, You're not just dividing it by 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.000 one kid, You're dividing it by three kids. That is 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.839 a lot of use. And uh we I'll let you 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:08.360 guys borrow it soon as well, so you can kind 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:09.960 of get a field for it. Man, it sounds good. 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.720 I get you on board, all right, Matt, let's talk 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:14.360 about the beer that we're having on the show today. 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.560 Our friends Waffles on Wednesday. They write a blog about 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.760 pursuing financial independence, and they tossed a beer away last 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:22.440 time they were in town. This one's called I learned 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.600 it by watching you, and it's a collaboration by literally 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:29.200 two of our favorite breweries, Burial and Other Half. I've 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.680 been to both breweries, Matt, and I love what these 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:33.960 guys are pumping out, and I'm excited to try this 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.800 one that they've created together with you. Today on the show, 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:38.720 my friend yeah man, And you may have noticed, I'm 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.559 wearing my other half half like I do so often 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.800 these days, stepping that swag. I really like that brewery man, 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.120 the other half up in Brooklyn. They're really good, so good, 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.239 so good. All right, Matt, let's get onto the topic 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.320 at hand. Today on the show, we're talking about striving 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.240 for work life balance. And I will say that work 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.560 life balance, well, it's it's not really the most popular 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.920 term when we're discussing this topic anymore. You know. We 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.080 had author Kurt Steinhorst on recently and he prefers to 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.240 discuss how you can integrate the worlds of work in life. 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.040 So he's talking about work life integration and I understand that. 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.920 I understand why he's choosing those terms instead, but I 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:16.160 still appreciate the desire to achieve work life balance in 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.520 our lives, and I think striving for balance in and 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.480 of itself, it takes effort, right, It's like pursuing margin, 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.920 And we talked about that the very first episode of 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:27.480 this year. It feels like we're a salmon like swimming 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:31.360 upstream fighting the current. It's not easy, but but it's possible, 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:33.960 and I think it's worth making that effort because all 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.080 work and no play, well, it makes us really dull. 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.240 And this effort, well, it might feel very much like 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.200 a pendulum at times where we never quite hit it 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.280 exactly right. So while there's not really any sort of 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.000 silver bullet, I don't think that we're gonna offer up 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.120 in this episode, Matt when it comes to the question 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.080 of work life balance and how to find it, we 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:55.679 can at least find ways to help ourselves achieve more balance, 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.600 just a greater level of it in our everyday lives. Yeah, man, 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.480 this is something I definitely want to make sure that 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:04.080 I am striving after myself, because in a culture that 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:08.640 idolizes work, we find ourselves chronically fatigued and exhausted because 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.920 we give too much of ourselves to our work while 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.040 leaving little left for ourselves and for the folks around us. 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.440 Like most Americans don't even take all of their vacation time, 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.120 and when they do, they find it impossible to actually 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:25.640 stop working. When we do that, that leads to burnout. 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.439 Burnout can cause us to make worse decisions, and then 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.959 oftentimes that causes us to become impulsive with our money. 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.080 So this is really important stuff for us to talk about. 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.560 And so regardless of the job that you have and 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.240 what fields you're in, I think there is room for 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.320 more balance and striving after that in all of our lives. Yeah, 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:43.920 all right, So Matt, let's talk about some of the 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.079 symptoms that someone might be experiencing that would indicate a 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.920 lack of balance in their lives. I feel like I'm 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:54.640 a doctor or something trying to diagnose somebody right now. 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:56.680 But I think you know some of these symptoms that 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:58.720 we're gonna discuss here, well, the ones that you and 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.880 I have experienced before, because we're normal human beings that 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:05.480 have prioritized work over life at different times. Finding that 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.679 balance is hard to do, and and we know these 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.880 symptoms because there are things we've dealt with over time, 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.000 or maybe we're even dealing with now. I mean, let's 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.360 be honest, you know, like launching a podcast and trying 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.520 to maintain that while we have full time jobs, new 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:21.400 more children. It's not super easy. And so like, these 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:22.920 are things that are are kind of hitting close to 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.040 home for us and so I think maybe for both 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:26.719 of us this is a good reminder to to keep 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:28.760 our eyes open to some of these different signs. Yeah 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.960 for sure. So all right, those symptoms. Let's start with stress. 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.560 That's an obvious one, right, being consistently stressed out, that's 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.000 a major indicator that we might be working too much. 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.600 And depending on the individual, well, this stress can manifest 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:45.080 itself in all sorts of ways, and that can be debilitating, 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.520 like an inability to get proper sleep every night. So 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.000 if we find it hard to rest, what's a good 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.520 chance that we're working too much and enjoying life too little. Yea. 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.199 And stress can leads to physical pain as well, that 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.400 you know, like physical being that we actually experienced in 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.480 our bodies, right, like headaches, that strain that you feel 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.280 in your neck, like if you're sitting there at the office, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:05.600 you know it kind of hunched over in your chair, 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.600 staring at your computer. It can have a literal effect 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.959 on our stomachs, ability to digest food properly, and it 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.440 even affects our health and more serious ways as well, 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:17.640 Like it's documented that working more than fifty five hours 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.720 a week that raises our risk of heart attack and stroke. 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.480 By a significant amounts. Man, this is serious stuff. Yeah, 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.319 we talk about money, right, but money isn't as important 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.800 as your life. And I think when we're super stressed 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.080 out because we're working too much and too much of 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.960 our faculties, too much of our focus, too much of 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.040 our attention is going to our everyday nine to five, 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.920 but it turns into more like an eight to seven 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.480 or something like that, then it is going to lead 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.960 to a lot of unhealthiness. And that stuff impacts your wallet, 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.319 but more than anything, it just impacts the way you feel, 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.440 It impacts the way you move through life, and it 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.760 just makes life a whole lot less fun. And so yeah, 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:55.600 I think it really is important to talk about this 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:57.840 topic from a bunch of different angles today. And that 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.280 leads into one of the next symptoms that people often 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:05.000 experience when they're overworked and they're lacking balance, and that's pessimism. Well, 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.120 we tend to have more negative thoughts and respond poorly 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.359 to the good things that we experience when we're overwhelmed 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.040 and overworked. If you kind of find yourself having more 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.200 of a negative outlook in general, well it's time to 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.400 kind of reassess how balance your life currently is Yeah, 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.440 and Jill, not just a sort of negative alok on 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.120 on things. Another sign is just an overall lack of 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.000 the other good and healthy things in our lives. If 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:30.000 you find yourself cutting back in other areas of your 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:33.000 life that you know are important, right, then you might 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:36.600 be working too much, Like maybe you've eliminated exercise from 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:40.120 your weekly routine, or maybe like your relationships are suffering. Right, 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:44.560 If important healthy habits are consistently missing from your daily life, 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.600 I think that's a key sign that you are in 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.880 an imbalanced states. Yeah, Matt, these symptoms, well, they can 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:52.959 be a huge sign that the more that we notice 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.400 these things cropping up in our lives that things just 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:59.240 aren't balanced. They'll work in life, just aren't aligned properly. Yeah, 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.080 And a lot of folks would argue that the sort 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:03.360 of the main cause for this that it's noble, right, 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.520 Like we're working hard because we're trying to make more money, 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:07.199 because we want to get ahead, like we we're trying 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:08.760 to set our families up to be in a better 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.240 position down the road. But unfortunately that can mean that 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.680 a lot of other areas in our life suffer. Yeah, 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:15.839 for sure, money plays a huge part in this whole 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.800 discussion about work life balance, and so we'll talk more 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.160 about that in just a second right after this break. 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:32.520 All right, here we are back for the break. We're 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.880 talking about how important it is for us to strive 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:38.160 after work life balance, man. And you know what, I 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.320 think it's important for us to address the fact that 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.160 we talk about side hustles all the time, right, Like 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.040 we talk about working hard to get ahead, and so 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:50.320 how does suggesting more work help you to achieve greater balance? Right? Yeah, 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:51.760 Matt and Jewel are always trying to give me to 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.920 work more to make more money. What's that? And now 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.000 here we are talking about work life balance, but I 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.240 think it's important for us to talk about side hustles 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.199 and trying to make more on the side, and in 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.280 fact that side hustles are not for everyone. You might 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.800 be currently tapped out with what you are already doing, 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.080 and so if that's you, starting a side hustle is 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.719 probably going to be a bad idea. And then if 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:13.959 you do start one, if you do have a side hustle, 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:18.040 do not be afraid to reassess your situation. Is it 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.280 actually bringing you closer to your goals? Like do you 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.120 have an actual goal set that you know that you're 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.720 working towards. Oft. Sometimes the perfect side hustle can stem 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.520 out of expanding a hobby and it could allow you 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.320 to replace your full time job. Certainly, for a while, 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:35.040 you're gonna be pulling double duty, right, but eventually, hopefully 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.600 that side hustle might be able to scale up into 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.120 a full fledged business and you can replace that time 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.480 that you're spending at your full time job with this 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:46.160 new side hustle. We're not necessarily advocating for you to 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:50.240 add hours that you're spending working to your life indefinitely. Yeah, 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.080 and a side hustle is just not for everyone, and 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.440 it's not for everyone at all times. It makes me 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.600 think of our our friend Paul, and he kind of 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:00.960 worked for this major corporation and hate it, but it 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.520 wasn't really his jam either, and so he kind of 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.920 started to get into real estate investing, and you know, 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.520 over time, he just found it more interesting and he 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:10.880 found that he was doing well at it, and so 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.160 he just continued to kind of ramp that up, and 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.120 at this point in time he's been able to quit 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.640 his full time job. He does consulting on the side, 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.520 so he is able to go back and work for 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.440 that corporation on his terms and other places too, like 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.520 very right, which is which is a huge benefit. And 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.200 his real estate essentially funds his lifestyle, so all that 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.160 consulting stuff, that's just kind of the icing on top 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.040 of the cake. But yeah, if you were to try 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.400 to continue once he reached at certain point with real 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.880 estate to work that full time job as well, I 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:40.600 think you realized that it would have led to a 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.480 massive imbalance. At some point, something's got to give, right 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.520 and and so yeah, I think that's an important thing 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.720 to note when we're talking about side hustles. At some 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:49.760 point something has to give, and maybe it's a side 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:51.960 hustle and maybe it's a day job, but trying to 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.920 continue both in perpetuity, that's definitely going to lead you 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:56.840 to a place where you're gonna find yourself in a 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.280 in a massive situation of imbalance. Which go ahead and 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.760 talk about some of the things that can lead to imbalance, 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:04.800 that can lead to us over working when it comes 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.600 to work in our life. And you touched on this 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.080 with Paul a little bit, But when someone doesn't know 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.880 why they're working, right, Like we talked about the why 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.080 behind our money. If you don't know why you're doing 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:19.080 what you're doing, that can seriously lead to overwork. Not 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:22.400 having a mission statement can lead to that imbalance. You 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:26.280 might feel conflicted consistently by how you are spending your 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.880 time if you do not have a clear direction. It 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.960 sounds like with Paul, perhaps he was looking for a 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.400 little more flexibility when it came to his time, or 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:35.920 even a slightly different challenge when it came to his work. 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.800 For everyone out there, it's going to be something different. 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.720 But it's hard to know what your why is if 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.440 you haven't taken some time to consider what it is 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.760 that you truly want your life to look like. Yeah, 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.440 so really, I guess the marching orders when you hear 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.520 something like that is to find out what your why is, 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.240 spend some time because oftentimes I think, Matt, you're right, like, 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.000 we're we're looking at someone else's why. We're living life 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.840 according to somebody else's terms and kind of what they 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.320 think is important, and we as individuals need to do 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.159 some soul searching to figure out what it is that 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.840 we want our life to look like. And that might 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.320 involve big changes like moving or downsizing. But when we 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.960 can identify our goals and then reframe our work as 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.400 a means to achieve those goals, then I think we're 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:23.080 on the right track. Yeah, And if you don't identify 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.040 your why, it's gonna be really easy for your boss 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:28.399 or if your company to identify that thing for you, right, Because, 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:30.439 like I mean, we live in a culture, like an 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:34.080 American culture, where achievement and you know, getting ahead that's 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.719 kind of the defaults. And while those can be great things, 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.560 if left unchecked, those things can kind of ruin the 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.880 rest of our life. It can cut them u Yes, exactly. 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.320 I think if its like this flame, this fire, right, 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.240 a camp fire is this beautiful, wonderful thing when it's 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.760 sitting there where it's supposed to be, you know, like 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.480 Smokey the bear wants it exactly where the kids can 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.280 sit there and they've got their smores, right, But if 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.400 that fire gets out of that firing, well, then it's 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:00.760 a serious problem. That's why think it can be helpful 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.040 for us to view achievement in getting ahead through that lens. 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:08.200 Only you can prevent achievement fires, right, So we're going 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:11.679 with that, Okay, perfect, all right? So another root cause 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.840 that can really lead to a good amount of work 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.239 life and balance is out of control spending. It's not 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.960 having our finances in order. Finally, we're talking about money. 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:23.800 It's in the title of the podcast, like we should 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:25.720 get to that a little bit sooner, but yeah, we're 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.680 we're there now. So out of control spending truly can 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:30.840 force us to work more than we want to. And 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.600 that's a real problem, racking up debt, buying more stuff 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.359 that means being forced to up our income. Man, we 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:39.200 I hate hearing about that, Matt, where the where people 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.239 have essentially pigeonholed themselves in the corner by racking up 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.040 credit card debt because they found curbing their spending to 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.600 be just too difficult. And I know it's easier said 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.120 than done, right, we talked about it a lot, but 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.359 it is something that we have to do. If we 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.000 do want more of a work life balance, if we 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:57.160 don't want to have to work more to fund our lifestyle, 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:59.600 well then we need to have a simpler lifestyle, that's right. 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.080 And so the solution here is to create and stick 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.400 to a budget, which, like you said, easier said than 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.879 done for a lot of people. If you're in bad shape, 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.000 get some help and some accountability, Like, do not let 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.719 the reason for your work life imbalance be that you 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:16.040 are consistently spending more than you make. We are actually 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.480 gonna do an episode on budgets next week, so you 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.360 can look forward to that one showing up in your 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.600 podcatchers soon. I'm at the edge of my seat right now. 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:26.480 It's gonna be a good one. Yeah, man. I think 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.480 another root cause that we need to discuss that leads 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:32.720 to uh A work life imbalance is difficulty actually working. 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.359 You might be on the clock, but constant distractions could 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.080 be keeping you from working efficiently on the good stuff. 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.880 And you're not the only one that has this issue either. 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:44.359 It takes an average of twenty three minutes for an 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:49.480 individual to refocus after getting distracted. Believes that as someone 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:52.439 who works from home, I'm pretty sure it takes me 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.480 that long to like fully get back into the groove. Yes, completely. 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.199 If you're distracted from a specific task you're working on 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:00.919 by an email, or your phone buzzing in your pocket, 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:03.720 or just a coworker coming in, you know how hard 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:05.560 it is to get re engaged in that task that 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:08.479 you were working hard at. So how do we ta 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:10.800 hole this? Well, we have to make changes so that 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.679 we can actually get the things accomplished. Then we need 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.600 to get accomplished instead of just quote unquote like being 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:21.280 at work having our work day dictated by whatever email 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:24.639 comes has come across our inbox. Most recently, that's how 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:26.520 we kind of fight back. And I think that's why 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.880 we're seeing kind of a rising popularity of companies going 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:32.560 to five hour work days because they're realizing that a 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.159 traditional forty hour workweek well involves just a lot of 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.320 employee distraction, and if they can get their employees to 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:41.720 buy into working fewer hours but being a hunter percent 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:44.360 focused during those work hours, they're going to have employees 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:46.600 that are just as productive, if not more so. And 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:49.439 so one of the things that man I would suggests 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.920 doing a time audits, which sounds like a fancy term 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.880 for just keeping track of your time. Right, this has 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.320 made a huge difference in my life. Just like you 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:00.399 want your money being spent towards the things that you 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.240 actually value, we want your time going in the same direction, 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:05.760 towards the things that you actually care about. When you 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.199 are spending your time in a way that prioritizes the 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.479 people you love and and includes the interests you value, 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.800 you are far less likely to feel out of whack. So, 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.040 just like with our budgets and tracking or spending, our 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:19.760 dollars should reflect the things that we value in our life, 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:23.119 in the same way our schedules should also reflect the 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:25.800 things that we value. Yeah, and I think, Matt, another 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:31.160 helpful way to combat a difficulty actually working while we're 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:34.240 supposed to be working is shutting out the noise around 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:36.520 us so that we can get those important and crucial 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:40.159 things done. And so, Matt, my job in particular is 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:42.679 one where I feel like I have to be responsive 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:47.080 more immediately. I do have timely things happening a large 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:48.720 part of the day and that I have to be 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:51.119 able to react to quickly, and so I can't always 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:53.359 shut these things off. But I do have to find 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:56.399 key times to be away from email and slack in 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:58.920 order to accomplish the bigger tasks that I want to 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.480 get done. So this is obviously get a vary by job, 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:04.600 by industry, by the culture of your workplace. But the 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.920 more time that you can separate yourself from the constant 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:11.400 buzzing and distraction and people around you and focus on 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:14.679 a particular item of work, the more productive you're gonna be, 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:16.600 and you might even find yourself being able to leave 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:19.600 work earlier than you thought you normally could have getting 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:21.439 home in time for dinner where you weren't able to 0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:23.960 do that before by letting those less important things wait 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:27.080 and actually having more time for those more important tasks 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:29.800 that are things that you have to get done well. Man. 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:32.000 I will share a quick little tip, a little strategy 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:34.960 that I've been able to incorporate into my life as 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:37.640 someone who works from home. Right, I've got my little 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:40.359 home office, but that doesn't mean I can't hear my 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:44.239 family and my kids screaming in the background. And so 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:46.679 I would suggest you know, you're talking about the noise 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:48.720 of the office, Well, I've got the noise of my house, 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:51.719 and so I would completely recommend that you get some 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:55.320 nice earplugs, the soft kind you can kind of roll 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:57.480 up in your fingers and jam in your ears. Dude, 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.320 I am able to work so much better when I 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:03.200 can hear nothing Like I'm not one of these people 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:04.679 who like to turn on, you know, a bunch of 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:06.479 music and have all this kind of stuff going on. 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:08.920 You know a lot of people will go to like Comfitivity. 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:10.840 Have you ever used that app? Or I don't know 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:12.000 if it's an app. I used to go to it 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.959 on my web browser, but it like mimics the sounds 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:17.439 of a cafe and you can do like lunch, murmur 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:21.480 and like because some people, for them, they are able 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:23.560 to work better when there's a sort of white noise 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:25.800 surrounding them where it feels like they're in a sort 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.879 of work office environment. But for me, man, it's the 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:34.119 complete opposite. I want like zen yoga like silence, and 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:36.800 I'm able to achieve that when I actually use ear plugs. 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:38.280 So I know that kind of sounds silly. It might 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:40.080 be silly for a lot of folks who who do 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:42.080 work in an office, But if you find yourself being 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:44.520 distracted by the things that you hear, being overset or 0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:47.040 just different noises in your office, man, I would completely 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:49.359 recommend that if that's something you can get away with 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:51.679 ear plugs, that's a good recommendation. Seriously, dude, all right, 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.640 So I think another core root cause, uh, that could 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:56.840 lead to more work life and balance, and it often 0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:58.960 does for a lot of people. It could just be 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:02.040 your job is a big issue and you could be 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:04.040 in a field that's demanding or have a boss who 0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:07.760 only cares about the profitability of the company and ringing 0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:10.240 as much productivity out of you as as they can. 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:12.880 So if your supervisor is the problem, well you might 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:15.560 need to seek to work in a different department or 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:18.159 even consider switching companies. And if you work in a 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:20.399 soul sucking industry, you might want to consider what it 0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:23.240 would look like to switch careers altogether. And it might 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:25.560 not be as crazy as it sounds, especially if it 0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:27.800 allows you to spend your time in a way that 0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:30.360 reflects what you value. And I know that these decisions, 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:32.960 well they're not made overnight, Matt, right, Like people aren't 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:35.800 like cool, Yeah, all right, I'll switch jobs tomorrow. But 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:37.280 it is one of those things that you might need 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:39.760 to start working towards. If you realize that your life 0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:41.760 is in a state of imbalance, if you're if you're 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:44.120 exhibiting some of those symptoms as that we mentioned earlier, 0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:47.600 well then kind of making the long play to switch 0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:51.639 careers or to find another employer that can start today, 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:53.840 although it might take a few months or even longer 0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:56.600 to actually get there. Right. Yeah, For a lot of folks, though, 0:24:56.720 --> 0:25:01.000 leaving your job or changing industries altogether may not at 0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:03.680 all be a possibility for you. If so, it is 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:06.560 crucial to develop hard boundaries, and so after the break 0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:09.200 we'll discuss more of what some of those boundaries might 0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:20.640 look like. Alright, Matt, we're back from the break and 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:23.879 we're talking about work life balance. Let's talk about the 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:27.640 ultimate way to achieve it. Quitting your job. I'm out 0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:31.560 of here life, right. Some people might need to do 0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:34.200 that if it's that bad, right, And I just want 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:36.560 to give a personal example from my life. Man. I 0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:39.639 had this job where I was producing a morning news 0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:42.000 show that was basically my first big time job out 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:45.480 of college, and it was it was terrible. I gotta 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:47.840 be honest. I didn't like it. I learned a lot, 0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:50.280 and I was glad I took it because the learning 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:52.480 curve was steep, and I feel like, you know, I 0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:56.960 basically got initiated into the radio production world in no 0:25:57.119 --> 0:26:00.919 time flat. You paid your dues, Yeah, very very much so. 0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:03.800 But my job was based around the news, and the 0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:07.600 news never stopped. I've heard that before. And I had 0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:10.560 to book guests for the next day, and so I 0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:12.240 had to stay on top of the news and basically 0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:13.879 at the same time, I had to wake up just 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:18.240 ridiculously early. The shows like that started five in the morning, 0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:20.040 so I had to be up at like three. Yeah, 0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:22.280 I remember you've talked about this before. And then maybe 0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:24.040 you would get a nap like later that day, but 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:26.400 otherwise you're still hanging out with your friends like during 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:29.720 their normal hours. And and then you know, after my nap, 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:31.440 I had to look at the news again and try 0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:33.439 to book then the other guests for the for the 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:36.280 upcoming for the show the next day. It was just 0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:39.440 too much. The job wasn't conducive to having real boundaries, 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:42.200 at least for me, and so I quit five months later, 0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:44.440 and I didn't really have kind of the next thing 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:47.200 lined up yet, but I just knew I couldn't continue. 0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:50.000 And the great news was I was financially okay to 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:52.280 be able to do that. But yeah, maybe for some 0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:56.199 people quitting is the only way to achieve work life balance. 0:26:56.680 --> 0:26:58.600 I just want to throw that out there, that that 0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:02.000 is a possibility. We mentioned the job being the biggest issue, 0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:03.719 and it might be the only way to get rid 0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:06.080 of that issue is to to leave all together. Yeah, Joel, 0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:07.439 And what I want to point out here is that 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:10.520 you were in a financial position to take that step right. 0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:12.760 When you first took that job, you didn't know that 0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:16.000 eventually you were gonna want out, But you started doing 0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.199 smart things with your money, and that allowed you to 0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:19.920 be in a position were you were able to say, 0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:21.480 peace out. You know, I'm out of here. I'm gonna 0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:23.240 go travel. Yeah, I sure didn't know it was going 0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:26.640 to be that quick. But well, for a lot of folks, though, 0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:28.880 quitting may not be an option. Uh And if so, 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:32.320 it's important to figure out what the expectations are and 0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:34.840 when it comes to communicating and getting your work done 0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:39.000 with your employer, right, your your boss might even commend 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:42.359 you if you proactively draw some hard lines around your 0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:46.600 personal time. So hopefully you know, through conversation you can 0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.919 define those hours with your boss, you can figure out 0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:51.439 what it is that you need to get done. And 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:53.280 then the other vital part of that is making sure 0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:56.040 that you're able to communicate that to your colleagues. That way, 0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:57.879 you're still an important part of the team, right, Like, 0:27:57.880 --> 0:27:59.520 you don't want to just say like, okay, these are 0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:01.640 my boundary is now and have that be a detriment 0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:04.119 to what you would be able to contribute to your team, Like, 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:05.720 you still want to be able to get the work 0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:07.879 done and hopefully this will allow you to get your 0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:10.920 work done more efficiently and at a higher caliber at 0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:13.159 the same time. Yeah, and and that in in our 0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:17.080 culture right now of basically constant connection and our employer 0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:20.880 thinking that we should respond at all hours of the night. Well, 0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:24.199 that constant connection to technology, I think can make us 0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:26.520 think that we're more productive than we actually are. And 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:29.480 if we're always present via email and slack, are we 0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:32.439 giving ourselves the time to think through our bigger goals 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:34.720 and the impact that we're actually having. And I think 0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.240 we're not oftentimes right because we're just responding to the 0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:40.320 immediate things and so basically always being in touch, it's 0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:43.520 not really a good thing for us. So consider taking 0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:46.560 work email off your phone. I deleted work email and 0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:50.360 Slack from my phone because I realized that it was 0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:53.480 more of a distraction than it was helping me actually 0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:55.800 get things done at work, and that the things that 0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:59.320 were more pressing and needed what my direct supervisor could 0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:01.160 text or call me, and I let her know that, 0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:03.560 I said, you can reach out to me via via 0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:05.600 a phone call or a text if there's something that's 0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:07.560 urgent and that happens you know, a couple of times 0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.200 a year, but at least now I have this kind 0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:12.320 of clear conscience when I go home that I don't 0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.400 need to be checking any of that stuff. It just 0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:16.520 doesn't need a factor into my evening. And I know 0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:18.920 that not everyone can set such clear boundaries, but a 0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:21.400 lot of us can. Many of us can, I think 0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:23.680 a lot of us can, but we're afraid to sure, 0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:26.080 Like like we're just afraid of taking those steps because 0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.080 we think that like, oh, that you know, that's not 0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:30.440 going to allow us to get that advancement, or oh, 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:32.080 this is gonna affect this. But I think that's a 0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:34.160 great challenge for us to take and to see, like 0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:37.280 does this actually affect the quality and the quantity of 0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:39.680 work that I'm truly able to get done? I think 0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:42.760 it will affect it in the positive if instead of 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:45.760 constantly doing work or constantly replying to emails, if we're 0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:49.000 able to essentially batch our work right Like it makes 0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.479 me think of like doing dishes. We don't do dishes 0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:53.920 all day long, like every time there's a dirty plate 0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:55.800 or dirty fork or at least I mean that's not 0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:58.000 how we roll, like, but we put everything in the 0:29:58.000 --> 0:29:59.720 sink and at the end of the night, after the 0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:02.080 kids in bed, I go and I tackle the dishes 0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:03.680 and it and I can knock them all out and 0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:07.760 no time. When we have this constant trickle something like email, 0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.440 I feel like it just wears on us. And I 0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:14.560 just think those constant notifications, though not necessarily urgent, can 0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:17.240 just you know, like a like a dripping faucet. It 0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:20.040 just wears on us mentally. And man, I would even 0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:22.040 suggest for folks. This is something I've done recently, is 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:25.080 like I still have email on my phone, but turn 0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:28.280 off your notifications. I'm not talking about your sound notifications 0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:31.080 or like the banners, like the pop up banners, but 0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:34.760 something I've done recently is I've turned off badges notifications 0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:36.360 like the icons that you can show up at the 0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:38.320 top of your phone. So you've got your email app 0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:40.440 and when you have an email, there's a little red 0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:43.000 dot with a little number in there. You can turn 0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:45.240 that off and so I can still go to my 0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:47.880 email and check my email. I know there's unread emails there, 0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:49.520 but you know what I don't need is for that 0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:52.360 number just to constantly increase when I'm off the clock, 0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:55.959 one constant reminder, yes, exactly, and so why have that on, 0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:58.200 you know, why why have it looked like something that 0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:00.719 needs addressing, Because like they make it for a reason, 0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:03.480 like it's to get your attention. And so that's an 0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:05.520 easy little change that you can do on your phone, 0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:08.200 going to notifications, go down to your email and turn 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:11.400 off notifications altogether. I mean that reminds me just kind 0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:14.240 of of you know, something I briefly mentioned at the 0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:17.080 beginning of the episode, which was certain employers going to 0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:20.320 five hour workdays and they've found that their employees are 0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:24.200 more productive. And it's because so much of what we 0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:26.760 do when we think we're productive by just being at work, 0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.760 right that, well, we spend a lot of time, it 0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:32.200 turns out on social media or walking down the hallway 0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:34.080 or having lunch. I mean, there are all these things 0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:36.520 that take our focus away from the task at hand. 0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:39.120 And if we can just kind of concentrated in this 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:42.720 smaller amount of time but we're uber focused, then it 0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:45.920 changes our workflow and allows us to have more freedom 0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:48.520 in the other hours of our lives. And those employers 0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:50.680 seem to be talking about how successful, how good it's 0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.480 been for their company and for their employees, and so 0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.240 I think you're right starting the conversation with your employer 0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:59.720 or with your direct manager, using some of these stories 0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:02.360 as kind of fuel for the fire, as kind of 0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:05.320 your artillery right in the fight to take back some 0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:07.080 of some more of your life and some more of 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:09.480 your autonomy. That's a great place to start, and I 0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:12.200 think you can help kind of start that conversation going 0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:14.680 with your boss and it can help lead to a 0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.720 greater work life balance in your life. We're talking essentially 0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:20.800 about kind of like technological boundaries, and we're talking about 0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:24.440 time boundaries, but let's dive into our minds a little bit. 0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.840 Let's talk about mental boundaries. So many jobs today involve 0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:31.720 information and ideas that it makes it even more difficult 0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:34.200 to turn off our work in order to achieve that 0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.560 work life balance. Right. Got to admit that's my main 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:39.400 struggle really. I mean, like, forget about our cell phones, 0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:41.520 like our brains, like they are the real culprits here 0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:44.239 when it comes to the inability to truly turn off 0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:46.479 our work. And so how do we take the steps 0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:48.040 in order to make sure that our minds are in 0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:49.880 a healthy spot. We want to make sure that not 0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:52.600 only are our bodies off the clock, but that our 0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:55.320 minds are off the clock as well. And the first 0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:58.320 thing we need to do is start with eliminating these 0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:00.480 physical cues to work that we've been taught thing about, 0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:02.880 right like removing your work email from your phone. If 0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:06.000 that's what's necessary, turn of those notifications. Maybe for a 0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:08.640 lot of folks, that's actually leaving at five pm from 0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:11.720 the office and even taking vacations, right Like, we a 0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:13.880 lot of employers say that there are a certain number 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:17.239 of vacation days that you have, but oftentimes people do 0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:20.239 not take those vacations and maybe sometimes there's a lot 0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.440 of guilts associated with that. Oh yeah, I think there's 0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:24.959 a ton of guilt associated with taking vacation in our 0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:27.720 modern workforce. We feel like we're slacking and we're leaving 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:30.040 our work to other people to do while we're gone. 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:32.320 And I think that's why people want to stay connected, 0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:34.600 because they don't want to let their colleagues down. But 0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:37.480 you have to be able to take vacation in order 0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:40.760 to get that break, that mind rest from work. You're 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:43.160 gonna come back more recharged than ever. Just like if 0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:44.640 you work a few hours in a day, but you're 0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:47.280 more focused, you're probably going to be more productive too. 0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:49.240 And I think another step that we can take to 0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:51.400 make sure our minds are in a healthy spot is 0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:54.920 giving ourselves time to be still and quiet, to remind 0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.000 ourselves to the things that truly matter and that that 0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:59.800 can be prayer, that can be meditation. However you incorporate 0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:02.160 that into your life. But Matt, I mean, we talked 0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:04.120 with five am Joel about waking up early, and I'm 0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:06.560 I'm telling you that time in the morning where it's 0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:10.600 just me is so helpful to have some stillness, to 0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:14.200 not have tasks kind of flying my way for at 0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:17.160 least a part of the morning. That's become one of 0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.160 my favorite parts of the day. That's the rest of 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:22.400 your day, like out of the gate, right, Yeah, So 0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.640 for me, that's been really important. I think the more 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:26.640 that we can incorporate a little bit of stillness and 0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:29.040 quietness into our lives, that's good. And that's coming from 0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:31.800 a guy who's a complete extrovert and has a really, 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.600 really hard time doing that, but I've realized the importance 0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:36.919 of it, so I'm making it happen. And once you've 0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:40.120 done those things, I think the next important step is 0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:42.800 to replace the cues that would lead you to work 0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:46.600 with cues that will lead you to live life. And 0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:48.600 a lot of that is going to and all likelihood 0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:53.040 involved some scheduling. Scheduling time with friends, time for hobbies, 0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:55.400 time for your community, time to volunteer, and time to 0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:58.799 work on your personal health. Yeah. Often times for a 0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:00.759 lot of people, these are the kind of things that 0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:03.400 if you sit them down at a seminar or like 0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:06.480 at a personal development meeting or something, right like, they'll 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:08.120 write these things down at the top of their list 0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:10.000 and they'll say, like, these are all the things that 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:13.080 are important to me. But when it comes to how 0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:15.440 we spend our days, like, do we actually do these things? 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:18.319 I mean not as much as we work. And I'm 0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:20.279 not saying that we should match every hour that we 0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:22.560 work with family time or community time, you know, just 0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:25.520 all these different things. But we are so intentional with 0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:27.560 the time that we spend working, right Like, We've got 0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:30.200 deadlines that we have to meet, we have calendar reminders, 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:33.320 we have you know, events scheduled on our calendars throughout 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:35.880 the week that have to do with work. And we 0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:39.000 need to be just as intentional and just as proactive 0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:41.680 with the other non work areas of our life. And 0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:44.000 so this makes me think of just a few days ago, 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:46.000 you and I with a bunch of buddies, we hit 0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:49.000 up a local bar slash restaurant that's gonna be closing 0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:51.719 later this week. A friend of ours, he shot out 0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:53.879 of text and he said, fellas, we need to hit 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:57.080 up the graveyard one more time to enjoy their delicious 0:35:57.080 --> 0:35:59.239 wings on half price wing night. Of course that's how 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:02.279 we do. Yeah, we're getting that deal. But all it 0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:04.440 took was just a little nudge a text from a 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.839 friend to get seven guys together who haven't seen each 0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:09.400 other in a while, and we caught up and had 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:11.640 a fantastic time. I just know that I want to 0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:13.640 see myself and I want to challenge myself to be 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.840 that intentional and that proactive with the time that I 0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.120 am not spending working. Yeah, man, I think as as 0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:22.320 we're talking about striving for work life balance, it's really important, 0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:24.640 after all the things that we've discussed, to really give 0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:29.160 yourself reasonable expectations. Because of perfect work life balance, well, 0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:32.480 it's it's not always achievable. As our lives evan flow, 0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:36.359 we can't always have it exactly like we want, and 0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.880 that's okay. I think there are seasons where more work 0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:42.960 and less life or vice versa is going to happen 0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:46.120 because we're not perfect. And I've had to tell myself 0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:48.759 too at times, Matt. In a season where where I've 0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:51.440 been a little bit busier with you know, doing the 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:53.840 podcast and Emily and I'm at we we've had to 0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:57.240 have discussions about this that I'm going to at times 0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:00.600 fail or not do as well at something as I 0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:03.160 would really like to do, and that's because of the 0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:06.520 specific season that we're in. But even in the midst 0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:09.399 of that, I can identify the key components that are 0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:12.520 gonna help me feel connected to the highly valuable things 0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:15.080 in my life. For for example, dinner every single night 0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:17.400 with my family, I'm not going to miss that, for 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:20.640 pretty much anything three times a week, riding my bike, 0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:24.279 not gonna miss that either, and just basically not being 0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:27.720 in tune with social media almost at all. That has 0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:31.440 led to just a greater ability to enjoy work life balance, 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.040 even in the midst of kind of a busier season 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:36.880 for me. Mean, I like what you said. They're right, perfection, 0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:39.360 it is not the goal. There are going to be 0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:41.879 certain busy seasons in our life. But I think as 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:45.120 long as we were working towards an average of a 0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:47.920 balanced life, that there are some key areas and components 0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:50.719 of our life that we shouldn't be willing to compromise on, 0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:53.760 but taking time for ourselves, creating more rigid boundaries around 0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:56.399 when we work and when we play, actually using all 0:37:56.440 --> 0:38:00.279 of our vacation time, like that's a must. That's one 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:02.520 that I feel like you've mentioned recently as well, like 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:04.799 making sure like I'm going to take that vacation time right, 0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:07.200 this is the year the vacation for me. I'm taking 0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:09.839 it all. But doing all these different things like these 0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:13.000 are important steps to helping us to achieve a better 0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:16.360 work life balance. And when we feel more rested and 0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:18.799 fulfilled in our lives away from work, I think a 0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:20.799 lot of us will be surprised to see that we 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:24.399 become actually more productive when we are at work. Yeah. 0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:26.480 They say absence makes the heart grow fonder, and I 0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:29.160 think it's definitely true for work. Yeah. You know when 0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:31.040 you spend like a few days away from work and 0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:33.879 you're thinking, oh, I just can't wait to dive back 0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:36.399 into it. Well, I love my job, but it's also 0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:38.560 nice to get away from from a week and remember 0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:41.360 that I love my job. Because I think in the 0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:42.920 middle of it, I don't feel like I love my 0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:45.240 job every day everybody needs a break, man. But ultimately, 0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:47.520 when I look back and I'm looking at the ability 0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:49.799 to get to do what I do every day, I'm like, oh, yeah, 0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.279 I do love my job. But I especially realized that 0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:53.680 when I get away from it for a little while, 0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:57.040 I will say, absence of this beer that we had 0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:59.920 today on the episode also makes my heart grow fonder. 0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:02.200 That gives you want more of it? Yes, I do. 0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:04.040 The beer that we had on the show today was 0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:05.759 called I Learned it by watching you, and it was 0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:11.000 a collaboration beer between Other Half and Burial Brewing Company. Matt. 0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:13.680 This was delicious, It was wonderful. What would your take 0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:15.600 on it? Well, I'll tell you, but first let me 0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:18.200 tell you what I think of this collaboration, which is 0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:21.480 so this is between Burial and Other Half, And honestly, 0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:24.120 what I imagined was, what if you picked up Asheville 0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:27.439 with its mountains, and you like transplanted it up into 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:31.239 Brooklyn and so like right across the river, you had 0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:35.360 Asheville across from Manhattan and all of its crunchy Asheville 0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:39.080 granola goodness, Right, how cool would this like bizarro world 0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:42.480 fantasy land be with all of its amazing breweries right 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:45.680 across from Manhattan. Yeah, I mean Brooklyn. Brooklyn has its 0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:48.440 own I think claims to coolness for sure, But what 0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:52.399 if what if you married it with Asheville and that's 0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:56.200 too fantastic American cities put together. I mean, that'd that'd 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:57.919 be a good That'd be a match made in heaven. 0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:01.160 And I don't know if I could handle it. But yeah, 0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:03.839 these are two of my all time favorite breweries, so 0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:07.000 when they do something together, I totally want to taste 0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:09.200 it and when they're taking note for sure. Yeah, and 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:11.840 this beer was super tasty. What were your thoughts on 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:15.120 the actual beer? So I had high expectations because I'm assuming, 0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:18.520 you know, based on two of the top tier breweries 0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:21.080 in the country making beer together, that it's going to 0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:25.480 be ridiculously good. And I gotta say it was. This 0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:28.799 was like darn near a perfect I p A. I 0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:32.319 just really appreciated the attention to detail, the fact that 0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:36.120 it wasn't overwhelming, but it was also just incredibly juicy 0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:39.360 and delicious. And yeah, I feel like the hot profile 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:43.440 stood out enormously. Uh, And that's exactly what you want 0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:45.600 in an I p A like this, So two of 0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:48.080 the best at the top of their game making something 0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:52.360 just utterly delicious. Oh yeah, man, for me, it was juicy. 0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.560 It was a little bit tingly from from that hot bites. 0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:58.839 That's how you know they didn't skimp hop them out exactly. 0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:02.040 It's like you're licking an iron volt battery. Um Like, 0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:04.360 I feel like that this was just a great example 0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:06.360 of a double dry hopp I p a UM. I 0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:08.080 feel like it almost had like a sort of like 0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:10.880 jasmine kind of honeysuckle floral notes to it as well. 0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:13.799 Just lots of flavor, but at the same time, real light, 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:17.800 real easy to drink, very delicious. I'm incredibly thankful for 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:20.880 our friends Waffles on Wednesday for swinging through Atlanta and 0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:22.879 dropping this one off for us. For sure, they picked 0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.560 this one up at Burial I guess when the road trip. 0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:27.960 Very cool. I think it was a barrel yeah. But yeah, 0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:30.480 they've got a great blog and they're great people to boot. 0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.400 So all right, Matt, that's gonna do it for this episode. 0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:35.760 For folks that are listening and you want show notes 0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:38.200 for this episode, we'll just check out our website how 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:41.759 to money dot com and they'll be right there for you. 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